haha
#general
void void
slender jay
We are this planet's mistake
neat smelt
at least some of us are able to understand, that we are shit
void void
thats not a bad arguement actually
slender jay
True
void void
thats what they want you to think
slender jay
We are just a bad mutation
pulsar wigeon
not sure if billy was joking or not but yea
slender jay
Everything thats going wrong with the planet humans are the reason
I dont see dogs causing global warming
neat smelt
a single human is likely to be good
a bunch of humans are still likely to be good
a mass of humans is a mass of retards
void void
looks at a few countries
void void
i think we ruin stuff too fast for natural selection to take place
unreal quarry
not sure if billy was joking or not but yea
lol dead serious. and of course, you're right. but i'm not talking about recently history or anything. just a fun theoritical physics idea (thats not even mine, btw) that I like
slender jay
Honestly if this covid thing lasts another year and like we are all quarantined im pretty sure Darwin will show up in all of us
unreal quarry
(i watch a lot of ted talks and sciencey stuff)
pulsar wigeon
dead serious that humans aren't from earth?
well, guess i'm not really surprised coming from you
heavy rune
how can i disable natural mobspawning but allow spawning with spawner or spawn eggs ?
unreal quarry
thats rather rude, wiz..
void void
i'd believe that not all of us is from earth
unreal quarry
cant even have a discussion without bad mouthing me, huh?
pulsar wigeon
no i'm dead serious
neat smelt
@heavy rune /gamerule doMobSpawning i guess
unreal quarry
right
pulsar wigeon
i'm no longer surprised at your views since they are consistently outrageous
tired heath
Well I have to admit, I sometimes hate this api, but than moments like this, thinking about how you could show left ammo, finding "sendExperienceChange" as easy as it could be, saves the day
quasi valley
that's just called being american
unreal quarry
better than being grumpy and predictable, wiz
pulsar wigeon
not badmouthing, i am very seriously no longer surprised
calling me grumpy sounds pretty ad hominem though
void void
no bullying billy!
heavy rune
@neat smelt
ty i think thats what i want 😄
pulsar wigeon
whether or not i'm grumpy really has nothing to do with the validity of my arguments
unreal quarry
yup, time for me to go for the day. its been fun while it lasted guys. o/
pulsar wigeon
in this case, being able to trace human anthropology to our biological ancestors
pulsar wigeon
but sure, i guess that's invalid because i'm a grump
unreal quarry
i'd rebuttle, but its useless.. you're right. i'm wrong. and i dont want this to escalate to me getting kicked again :/
pulsar wigeon
don't think this has anything to do with being right or wrong
i simply presented a counter viewpoint and you dismissed it because i'm grumpy
unreal quarry
bows to wiz
void void
haha
pulsar wigeon
if you have something substantive to say go ahead
real ember
hi guys, is RGB in 1.16 item name / lore possible now?
unreal quarry
Why? So you can kick me? Lol
pulsar wigeon
yes andi
unreal quarry
Hard pass. Thx
real ember
i couldnt find any plugin on google @@ i thought its not possible
magic river
You still have to use legacy strings but the server has its own legacy format for them
unreal quarry
Paper just got component API for those andi
real ember
do i have to use this method (#00FF00 -> §x§0§0§F§F§0§0) in order to do it?
slender jay
Why would wiz kick you lol
real ember
Paper just got component API for those andi
@unreal quarry sounds great, but i dont actually know about API xdd
thanks guys, i will try to make it 😄
magic river
Yeah, that's the way to do it with legacy
pulsar wigeon
yes andi if you have something that uses legacy strings you need to use that format
olive marlin
You want to add the lore with plugin or vanilla commands?
real ember
sure! thanks guys 😄
pulsar wigeon
otherwise wait for plugins to come up with more sane formats
or use vanilla commands yea
real ember
maybe i will try to make it by myself since i treat these as practicing 🤣
but anyway, thanks guys : )
neat smelt
tbh, i think they way vanilla is doing it, is one of the best ways
magic river
With spans? Yeah
I guess it's not actually spans since it's for some reason a tree of sorts
But it's close to the standard way you'd do it in more normal software
Like in Android apps when you're typing the keyboard wraps every word in a span for spell checking and autocorrect so it doesn't have to find word boundaries later, iirc
Ends up making it quite slow for large documents though because that API was meant for lots of large spans that only change when you change styling and such
neat smelt
i mean with #hexcode ):
magic river
lol, sorry, I fly off on tangents a lot
pulsar wigeon
it's just that some plugins only interpret legacy color code strings
magic river
But yeah, I don't know why you'd do anything other than hex codes or a Color(byte, byte, byte) thing for the actual implementation
The legacy version is a hack to add a feature vanilla legacy codes don't have in a way that doesn't break legacy format parsers that don't understand RGB colors
pulsar wigeon
sour pendant
hi guys, i have a problem using commands in papermc, for example "give {player} minecraft: enchanted_book 1 0 {StoredEnchantments: [{id: 16, lvl: 3}]}" tell me the item does not exist can you help me with this, is it a problem in the paper or is some configuration missing
pulsar wigeon
you have an extra space?
and/or you have a plugin that overrides /give, in which case use /minecraft:give
magic river
The legacy format is § followed by a single character, the RGB stuff uses that so that even if your parser doesn't understand RGB codes if it strips formatting out it won't leave part of a color code behind and if it doesn't strip them it'll just get the wrong format (whatever the last char of the hex code does normally) instead
quasi valley
that looks an awful lot like not 1.13+
sour pendant
quasi valley
use online tools if you don't know how this works https://www.gamergeeks.nz/apps/minecraft/give-command-generator
nbt belongs to the item, not as an extra/last argument
sour pendant
thanks @quasi valley and @pulsar wigeon it worked here, there were errors in /give and in the enchantment code
void void
hm i was doing mappings manually for some reason instead of using enigma
i forgot that it could generate searges
pulsar wigeon
don't ping me
wide nacelle
Fun fact: you can use hex codes in server motds (or in general without ChatColor.of), although this might not be the best way. To do a hex code color, do §x followed by the hex code, with a § in front of every char in the hex code. Red looks like this: §x§f§f§0§0§0§0
I did some digging inside of the bungeecord api yesterday to find this 😉
unreal quarry
we knew this before it even released 😛
wide nacelle
oh lmao
pulsar wigeon
yea not only did we just go over this a few minutes ago, but md added this to bungee before spigot even got updated
wide nacelle
I made a program to generate gradient text for me using the new color codes, the results are pretty cool
pulsar wigeon
just use minimessage :^)
bleak urchin
Ah, I was missing an &x in front of the hex code
Didn't work in server.properties
Oh well, I'll hardcode my MOTD in a plugin
wide nacelle
try using § instead of & maybe?
limber knotBOT
I don't think that file supports the & stuff, you have to use the real deal
bleak urchin
I was using\u00A7 yes
limber knotBOT
Bummer
bleak urchin
motd=\u00A7x\u00A7f\u00A72\u00A76\u00A7c\u00A70\u00A7dMCPueblo
wide nacelle
It was working for me yesterday so ya
bleak urchin
Lemme update again
limber knotBOT
& is only a thing because clients used to not be able to send anything other than visible ASCII plus space otherwise the server would kick them
Otherwise someone probably would have just made a client mod to make it easier to put in the section sign
merry orchid
how to show ur live streaming in a voice channal or is there a required amount of subs etc?
void void
streamer mode
bleak urchin
Finally, a quality orange color
wide nacelle
I know right?
olive marlin
Update did it?
serene bolt
dang that orange looks really good
bleak urchin
Trademarked by MCPueblo, don't steal
olive marlin
Too late, stolen already 😇
cedar spade
Almost as orange as a pineapple
serene bolt
I just used color picker on it, officially stolen
pulsar wigeon
advertising smh
neat smelt
way better
wide nacelle
my server isnt even on lol
wide nacelle
Nice
olive marlin
Throughout the whole day, in total?
wide nacelle
PaperMC helped me be able to run properly again... ever since 1.13 my server has kinda been a potato
twin lagoon
neat smelt
@olive marlin no at once, but its just a server for friends, friends friends and me
nothing big
foggy elbow
Hello,
I just got a question, if a dev on spigot ( he got a premium plugins ) scammed me, does spigot care (I got proofs), or they'll just ignore my request against him ?
serene bolt
Hello,
I just got a question, if a dev on spigot ( he got a premium plugins ) scammed me, does spigot care (I got proofs), or they'll just ignore my request against him ?
open a report against the users profile with all of your relevant information and it will be handled
zealous wedge
paypal may care too -- and may be able to do things spigot cannot
but what spigot does can more directly protect other users
wide nacelle
Did you try talking to him directly too?
wide nacelle
ok
pulsar wigeon
either way paper discord isnt the place for this
serene bolt
okay but this isn't the place to show your proof
pulsar wigeon
thanks
pulsar wigeon
no just in general
dense coral
Does 1.16 improved overall performance in comparison to 1.15?
Maybe in terms of entity tracking
void void
yes and no
dense coral
What do you mean?
dense coral
@void void
neat smelt
@dense coral on faster systems, yes, on slower systems, not really
limber knotBOT
Huh, Juan's name is also orange on IRC
dense coral
@neat smelt I run my server on a GAME server from OVH with Ryzen, I've reached max 140 players with 20 TPS, from 140 to 200 the tps in 1.15 decreases till it reaches 5-6
I hope that 1.16 improves significantly the situation
magic river
I don't know if it's supposed to be (does mIRC color have an orange) or just my theme but that's some /r/mildlyinteresting content right there
neat smelt
which version was able to hold 140-200 players?
and btw, 1.13 was the version that brought horrible performance with it which 1.14 and 1.15 adapted but have been improved over time
magic river
I could do that on the original E3-1270 back in the day with MC 1.0
wide nacelle
1.14 had these huge lag spikes of 10 seconds or so for me
on an intel i7-3770k processor
neat smelt
minecraft back than also had way less stuff going on
wide nacelle
And was also more optimized
neat smelt
nowday, if you're doing it right, you can get 350 players on a 1.8 server
magic river
Server was less advanced though too
neat smelt
less code that run, less stuff that was messed but
wide nacelle
I believe in 1.8 RAM usage began to drastically increase because of BlockPos being created and trashed so much as opposed to 3 ints
magic river
I bet if you took the optimizations from Paper 1.16 that could apply to things from 1.0 and added back in our own in memory chunk compression you could get 300+
magic river
I think someone is trying to do that for beta 1.7
wide nacelle
I believe if Mojang or someone else fully optimized 1.16 as much as possible, it could run just as good as that version
magic river
The version before enchantments and hunger
neat smelt
if mojang would fully optimize the minecraft server, you would be limited by the hardware
wide nacelle
Yes but it would run much better on a lot of hardware
neat smelt
ofc
but they dont really care
as long as their 20 players max (or so) realms do run, they just dont really care
minecraft was never ment to host large amout of players
wide nacelle
It used to be considered a game you could get running on nearly any hardware (kinda like doom i guess)
void void
i wouldn't call something like that optimising, rather rewriting quite a bit of the game
neat smelt
i remember playing minecraft on school pc's hosted by one of the players pc
wich ran like a socket 775 intel celeron
and we had such a blast
wide nacelle
also I think that no matter how much optifine/paper/etc optimize the game, they probably are still somewhat limited by mojang (for mod compatibility and such)
neat smelt
messing around with all sorts of non default stuff like bukkit back then
but today, meh, i complain when the game stutters once for which minecraft is notorious
wide nacelle
my dream would be 1.17 being the big optimization update, bringing back old levels of performance
neat smelt
they will always be held back by mojang
void void
dream on
wide nacelle
it wont happen 90% sure
neat smelt
aehmttw there is also cuberite
1.8-1.12.2 server
written in C# complete from the ground without looking into mojangs server stuff
neat smelt
there is also a server version for android lel
and it even runs fine on a raspberry pi 2 with half a gig of ram
wide nacelle
pocketmine was somehow a php server
peak dirge
It's not written in C# @neat smelt, it is written in C++
neat smelt
oh sorry
peak dirge
Yeah, the PocketMine people are excited as PHP is going to get a JIT. Yes, after who knows how long, PHP has a JIT now.
waxen panther
Virgin c# vs Chad c++
wide nacelle
honestly mojang could do just as great with java too if they tried
neat smelt
but since its a complete new server, mobs behave differently, the world gen is different and so on
waxen panther
They have better things to do
Improving the server doesn’t make them any money
And they’re a business so..
neat smelt
money is everything
wide nacelle
Introducing the all new Official Minecraft Server: minecraft.net
now with extra cosmetics
neat smelt
thats why i said, they only care about their realms with a low player count limit
peak dirge
Nukkit used to be a direct port of PocketMine to Java, and the main reason why you'd do that is because HotSpot has a well-iterated, pretty well-executed JIT and you get static typing plus access to all the fun libraries that the community has made in Java
neat smelt
as long as they do run, mojang wont care
neat smelt
could, but not enough
neat smelt
selling Accounts is more profitable than selling realms for them
since more people are buying accounts then realms and realms have a ongoing cost for mojang
wide nacelle
If they market it as a game for everyone on any device they can probably sell more. I have a friend who is going to get the demo, and who will get the full version only if it runs on the computer well.
waxen panther
Anyone use a per world inventory plugin that isn’t per world inventory ?
void void
haha
waxen panther
Lol aeh
wide nacelle
but still its kinda sad the state of things
waxen panther
They don’t want to advertise the servers they want to advertise realms
iron zephyr
Every time I've used it it is glitchy
neat smelt
@wide nacelle just 🏴☠️ it
iron zephyr
I was just curious if there are any other options, or if I'm stuck with it
wide nacelle
anyway
um I guess you could try coding your own to suit your needs? probably not the best idea lmao
iron zephyr
Yeah, I'm the administrator type, not the coding type 😄
Ah well, sounds like it is PWI or bust
wide nacelle
neat smelt
what about bungeecord 
@iron zephyr
wide nacelle
bungeecord is a whole other can of worms lmao
iron zephyr
Several people have suggested Bungee. I could go down that route, but our server isn't set up that way at all haha
neat smelt
or go for mv inventories as aehmttw suggestes
wide nacelle
you have to run more servers on one machine which might take more resources
waxen panther
.g per world inventory spigot plugin free
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/per-world-inventory.4482/ -- Per World Inventory | SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft: "This plugin allows you to separate your player's inventories between groups of worlds. Various player stats are separated, too; this includes ..."
waxen panther
Ya hate to see it
Pretty sure that’s a option on most world plugins though
Like hyperverse or whatever
wide nacelle
I had this interesting idea (not relevant to current discussion) - what if I programmed and added bots to minigames on a server to make it more populated
like not to trick players but just to have more "players"
quasi valley
yeah have fun with that lol
waxen panther
People would realise
heady spear
if ur willing to give up old inventories u can use our experimental™️ inventory stuff in HV 😛
waxen panther
And adding players is cancer
wide nacelle
I can agree lmao
iron zephyr
Stadsmonstret, frankly that's one of the biggest issues with me switching to Hyperverse
wide nacelle
Probably could use dummy zombies
iron zephyr
Do you know of a way to backup and restore inventories in the switch?
waxen panther
City I advertised hyperverse again where’s my $15
iron zephyr
If so, I'd switch in a heartbeat
quasi valley
backup your playerdata folder
iron zephyr
But the middle schoolers on my server freak out when their inventories vanish hah
heady spear
No. We force insert player profiles when they switch worlds
and well, uh, converting from MVI to that system would suck
iron zephyr
Ah, gotcha
heady spear
PWI is supposed to be good tho, never heard any problems that weren't caused by users being dumb
iron zephyr
Frankly, it might actually be MyWorlds that's the problem
neat smelt
@wide nacelle there are pvp bots for minecraft already, but making a bot for something complex like bedwars would take a huge amount of effort or otherwise the players will be bored by them rather fasz
iron zephyr
Last time I switched to pWI everyone lost everything and it was super glitchy, but I wonder if that was MyWorlds
I guess I need to work up the courage to just tell players they're going to lose their inventories 😦
wide nacelle
@neat smelt it would be a fun project to try out
iron zephyr
Or I could manually restore every single inventory 😭
It's better than Multiverse
IMO
waxen panther
Just make them put their items in a chest or something
heady spear
If you flirt with andrew he might feel like working on our database based inventory stuff
waxen panther
@wind acornew kiss x
iron zephyr
Andrew is already helping me import my worlds in the other discord xD
I feel like I'm on my own for the inventory stuff
heady spear
but making a converter that creates player data files won't happen as the entire idea of it is to replicate MVI/PWI in a single file 😛
iron zephyr
Yeah yeah, I getcha
Wish there was an easier way around. Like a way to dump player's inventories into a chest xE
Hm
Actually
Maybe I could temporarily give them permission to access our inventory rollback plugin
Then they could just restore their own inventories
Intriguing
heady spear
I think our entire per-world-user-data stuff is less than 300 lines in total
iron zephyr
Does it work pretty well production-wise, or will I def need something like PWI lol?
I only want to deal with this switch once
heady spear
and it separates everything from inventories and experience to potion effects and player attributes 👀
quasi valley
oh wiki.js is hella sexy
heady spear
I'm quite surprised it didn't break in 1.16 considering it does dumb shit like removing the player from the world and re-adding them and shit like that
iron zephyr
Yeah it does haha. But I'm not sure what other options I have
heady spear
it does make the server freak out a little so
iron zephyr
I see PWI has an MVI-converter - would it be really hard to modify it to import MyWorlds stuff?
void void
cos like giving them the permission to do that is an easy dupe
heady spear
try {
final Field field = WorldServer.class.getDeclaredField("LOGGER");
field.setAccessible(true);
this.worldServerLogger = (Logger) field.get(null);
} catch (final Exception e) {
e.printStackTrace();
}
try {
final RegexFilter regexFilter = RegexFilter
.createFilter("[\\S\\s]*Force-added player with duplicate UUID[\\S\\s]*", null, false,
Filter.Result.DENY, Filter.Result.ACCEPT);
this.worldServerLogger.addFilter(regexFilter);
} catch (IllegalAccessException e) {
e.printStackTrace();
}
👀
dis is how u solve issues tbh
I don't think it'd be hard at all, you just have to find some freak that's willing to work in kotlin
iron zephyr
I certainly can't do it haha
I feel bad asking people to do things I can't help with or pay for xD
heady spear
You could suggest it in the PWI repository though
dunno the dev but they might be willing to do it
waxen panther
just comment and say you'll pay $15 for it and then delete your github account once it's done like most people /s
minor badge
@cunning raft hi, is there a possibility for the teleportation with passengers checks to have an option to disable them altogether? i've got a working patch on my own fork for handling it in certain cases, so i'd kinda prefer not to fork essentials for it
iron zephyr
I'll suggest it in the repository
Might be worth it
It doesn't look like a super active plugin, but ya never know
Worst case: inventory restoration for everyone!
Can't go wrong
wide chasm
I'm assuming PWI is PerWorldInventory. I'd ask them in the repository, they're very friendly.
minor badge
@serene bolt irc.spi.gt LE cert expired, pls make md69 fix
iron zephyr
Yes it is! I just dropped it in the "issues" section as a feature request, is that what you're talking about?
serene bolt
oof i'll let him know
wide chasm
Yep
neat smelt
mostly, but not totally
waxen panther
u tell us bro
rugged python
alright 🙂
This is my first time upgrading, is it best to upgrade all plugins first and then switch the server jar to latest paper?
waxen panther
plugins first yeah
rugged python
ok ty 🙂
knotty nebula
Is the latest 1.16 build stable enough for a server with around 30 people?
real ember
hey guys, whats item's lore index? its 0 or 1?
(the first line of lore is counted as line 0 or 1?)
thanks
spice finch
Is #paper-dev channel only for paper related questions or we can ask java questions there?
heady spear
who said u can ask questions
spice finch
void void
well its for server/plugin development
waxen panther
java questions are fine as long as they're not stupid
real ember
🤔 sry mine might sounds stupid... since i only know C and im new to plugin developing 😓
waxen panther
if you know c your brain is more than large enough for java
real ember
so i guess it starts at 0? im not sure about that
spice finch
What
heady spear
this is the dumbest conversation that has ever taken place in here
real ember
thanks ☺️
heady spear
congratulations, you just lowered the bar =))
heady spear
it is
zealous wedge
i mean never forget lua
waxen panther
there have been 1400 conversations that are even more dumb
heady spear
I'll ban you from there
pulsar wigeon
it's ok you can bully city here
heady spear
you no longer qualify
waxen panther
tf do you mean QUALIFY
pulsar wigeon
his name is literally a typo
waxen panther
he has a furry avatar
heady spear
@waxen panther ur privileges have been revoked
plz sit in the corner and feel ashamed
waxen panther
wtf
viper asked a question in aikars server today lol
didn't realise it was him until after
wow u actually did revoke me
dead server
heady spear
ur butt is a dead server
real cave
@unreal quarry yeah LMFAO. I'm 1m 92cm so thats kinda what u gotta do if you want a coupe 
at this point that particular car is a two seater despite having 4 seats because there's exactly 5cm of legroom behind me the way I sit, but I haven't had more than 2 people in it including me at the same time. 😆
void void
Did Mojang do any big performance improvements for 1.16?
unreal quarry
i wouldnt say big, but definitely something
twin lagoon
np
twin lagoon
latest >
void void
Rly?
unreal quarry
best is subjective. depends on how you define best
waxen panther
only run old versions if you're trying to scam kids for faction ranks
limber knotBOT
best = all vanilla features ;D
void void
lamma
That’s my goal @waxen panther
Can you elaborate how it’s better on old versions?
warm anchor
Sir you got issue with my kit PvP buycraft lookbox vip server? @waxen panther
waxen panther
Ah yes than do i have the guide for you
waxen panther
buy a jar from mc market and then get a sketchy youtuber to advertise your server
limber knotBOT
that's what I'm here for 
waxen panther
done
limber knotBOT
👀
waxen panther
the jar should also be sketchy*
warm anchor
Broccolai sounds like professional
void void
best is subjective. depends on how you define best
@unreal quarry just in terms of general performance for a lot of players
waxen panther
I'm a seasoned pro thank you
waxen panther
SpeedTacoBurritoSpigot
void void
buy a jar from mc market and then get a sketchy youtuber to advertise your server
@waxen panther already did that. Haven’t seen a lot of sales?
Maybe the YouTuber was not big enough. What is the recommend size?
real cave
@unreal quarry lmao at least my car never gets thought about when my friends and I pick a car we'll go on a trip with. 😂 privileges of a coupe
waxen panther
200k+ and they need to make really bad videos
real cave
because granted that's gonna be a hella uncomfortable ride in the back
void void
I am also wondering what’s the estimated earninfs on such a server? Could I expect a ROI within 3 months? @waxen panther
left swift
No
waxen panther
if you do it right, you can do it in a day
void void
No!?!?
waxen panther
mvp+++++ = $1k, gives you mod too
void void
Question is, would that run in the long run ?
www.eatmytaco.com
I am here to drop my 9-5 job sir
limber knotBOT
it's easy to ROI each day: have a zero investement
waxen panther
waxen panther
hire michael too
twin lagoon
considering you have to ask that question in first place
and in a papermc discord
the answer is no
void void
Initial investment: 100$ (40$ for getzner server and 60$ for you tuber)
what are we talking about
real cave
just have no expenses apart from hosting
waxen panther
I'm worried he thought I wasn't being sarcastic now...
void void
hi
waxen panther
@minor badge good evening
minor badge
i lov u
waxen panther
good morning michael 
twin lagoon
waxen panther
You'd be surprised bech
real cave
I had a server since March to September and got 8k in revenue having spent €400 in hosting 🤡
warm anchor
waxen panther
I've spent $0 on hosting and I've made $0 in revenue this month
real cave
Still top1 in spigot MC rate my server subforums even if it's shut down since 2017
void void
how get muny from minqwaft server 2020
real cave
you can check it out and get some ideas
limber knotBOT
I have a server since 2011, I got 0 revenue and spent 7k in hosting + thousands of hours 👀
void void
Breaking even . Gj @waxen panther
waxen panther
thanks bro, i work really hard
void void
I’m just thinking.... is there really money in smaller servers
real cave
it just goes to show the reception of an average user @twin lagoon
pulsar wigeon
if your primary goal here is making money, just stop now
real cave
not to say it acts as a benchmark of what a good server is
void void
if your primary goal here is making money, just stop now
@pulsar wigeon so it’s a no?
pulsar wigeon
don't ping me
real cave
scary
real cave
just find your audience and find a way how to milk them simultaneously giving them enough fun shit to do to keep them playin
limber knotBOT
why would you use quote? smh
void void
why would you use quote? smh
@phoenix616#0000 to answer him
ping me and see what happens
limber knotBOT
...
minor badge
literally just press backspace 2 times when quoting
limber knotBOT
are dumbcordians really that dumb that they can't follow a conversation?
pulsar wigeon
literally wasn't even a question
void void
Oh didn’t know phone had backspace. Thanks proxi
Xd
when will minecraft java edition die?
This chat just turned from 0-100
To 0
minor badge
good night broccoli
waxen panther
good night proxi <3
minor badge
u go sleep now
waxen panther
i woke up 7 hours ago 
woven otter
cute
minor badge
brocc's a cute little fruit 😎
waxen panther
how do you forget about the backspace lmfao
woven otter
broccoli is not a fruit smh
willow spear
how does the crossirc/server chat work? i couldn't find anything about it and it's the second server i see with this stuff
woven otter
disgusting vegetable
void void
Slow memory.... just like my Minecraft server
waxen panther
i can be a fruit if i want to be
woven otter
no
void void
fruit cake
woven otter
no fruit
waxen panther
?
limber knotBOT
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/9itjTyk.png
nice try
waxen panther
lies & slander
willow spear
thanks
waxen panther
yes
woven otter
lies & slander
@waxen panther truth & exposure
neat smelt
use waterfall for that
waxen panther
velocity
void void
Nice thanks
minor badge
use turtle master for that
neat smelt
waterfall has better overall support
waxen panther
yeah but bungee is smelly
grand pewter
@quasi valley thats normal in rust too lol
neat smelt
but yeah, velocity is better
grand pewter
apparently in scala here as well
woven otter
kneny is upsidedown
quasi valley
it looks truly disgusting
void void
You think a Minecraft gambling server would work?
quasi valley
😂
grand pewter
idk i mean it works
twin lagoon
no.
void void
On other people at the same server
limber knotBOT
TIL that github has outdated comments now 
neat smelt
you mean GommeHD Gommunity? works there just fine B E C H
twin lagoon
you're outdated
15
is
limber knotBOT
just make it real gambling with real money payout
left swift
void void
I was thinking about luring kids into gambling...
Ok maybe that’s too far
just make it real gambling with real money payout
@phoenix616#0000 yes that was my plan
And then you could buy gold armor and such to flex in the server
And then withdraw in crypto 🤔🤔🤔
left swift
This guy is a living meme
limber knotBOT
I played on a dogecoin server that did that when that was the new cool shit, lol
void void
Me me
limber knotBOT
crashed after a while as they didn't have enough money to pay the players 👀
surprise surprise
void void
Would you join my gambling server
neat smelt
no
neat smelt
xD
void void
no
@neat smelt bruh why?
neat smelt
bc gambling is always a loss of money for the player
void void
Imagine depositing 20$ turning them into 100$ and withdrawing a 5$ Minecraft pillow for 100$
neat smelt
and i dont need ranks on any mc server
void void
and i dont need ranks on any mc server
@neat smelt you just pleb’ing on all servers ?
Or how you get around
warm anchor
Lmao
void void
Lmao
@warm anchor u interested?
elder sable
online minecraft has become a cancer that has nothing to do with a normal gameplay
void void
online minecraft has become a cancer that has nothing to do with a normal gameplay
@elder sable trueeeee! You wanna join my Minecraft gambling server 🤔🤔🤔
warm anchor
left swift
Where are the mods
elder sable
only as "the moderator who helps rig the system"
elder sable
💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵
thats 100
elder sable
Thank you
elder sable
I'm so proud to be a part of this wonderful, enthusiastic and visionary team!
void void
Thanks
minor badge
https://owo.whats-th.is/5hFV51n.png you were not scammed
void void
Okay thanks for clarifying
elder sable
Discord choked for good 3 seconds upon copy pasting
minor badge
no
elder sable
the older you become the more cringey anime gets
waxen panther
i hate weebs
waxen panther
they r stupid
static badge
all of them
neat smelt
the older you become the more cringey anime gets
@elder sable i disliked anime since i know what animes are, except pokemon
elder sable
there're apparently good movies but set in an anime art style sort of
smoky python
I only watch for the titties
So who is gonna tell him about those realistic better websites?
void void
Can I still be 34 years and play Minecraft hypixel ? 🤔🤔
neat smelt
nobody
elder sable
implying "professional" porn is realistic
void void
So who is gonna tell him about those realistic better websites?
@smoky python there is better alternatives?!?!?!
I have lived in a lie my entire life :/
void void
Some daily animemes, pop4959
smoky python
We are giving him a better alternative than anime
smoky python
Only real men know sir
void void
😭
smoky python
U aint one because you watch anime.
void void
How dare you!!!!! 
void void
All my animeme friends will stand together and go against this hatred !!
This must stop
smoky python
Bech, what is the background of your intellij?
void void
wtf is this conversation
real cave
anime sucks
void void
Bech, what is the background of your intellij?
@smoky python I can proudly present my IntelliJ background
smoky python
Show me.
void void
my intellij background 👍
waxen panther
wtf wiz
void void
Animeme!!
smoky python
Okay ban him
real cave
The fuck. Lmao
void void
wtf
real cave
Lmao that's gotta be a joke
pulsar wigeon
shipfus lol
elder sable
Productivity Boost: MKIII
pulsar wigeon
nice bep
void void
Who ever downvoted my animeme background ?!!
waxen panther
also thats disgusting
grand pewter
you really gonna do intellij like that? with neko loli shipgirls
void void
yeah um that background is reaaaallly weird
pulsar wigeon
void void
The animeme team will show you
void void
i remember liking pokemon when i was a kid
grand pewter
intellij is best as is (dark mode of course)
fallen oracle
Alright buddy, you're about to get reported.
real cave
ya just stop mate
void void
please stop
elder sable
loli girls could be illegal in your country
smoky python
911 what's your emergency?
elder sable
please ask the local police department
void void
Okay no more animeme . Thanks for tonight. Bye
real cave
^
pulsar wigeon
no i saw
void void
Ничего себе тут англичане пишут
vernal moth
void void
Я очень умный и нихера не понимаю
vernal moth
getting these dum tags to display totally didnt take all night
void void
woo
grand pewter
niceeee
void void
it can't have taken all night if it took all day 
real cave
typing in particular
elder sable
не ты дурак
real cave
I'm shit*
void void
Реально?
real cave
Da
pulsar wigeon
english please thanks
quasi valley
no u
void void
Такого я не ожидал
pulsar wigeon
yall can go to some russian discord if you want to talk other languages
real cave
I'm Latvian, so Russian is almost natural
void void
english
real cave
Xd
void void
isn't latvian using latin script instead of whatever russians using
real cave
We have our own language
void void
Если уж я разговариваю с англичанами
twin lagoon
don't
void void
То в вашем обществе простой вопрос "What?" это считается грубостью или нет?
@still swan english
elder sable
nope
real cave
Lots of money people happen to be Russians so it's great to know Russian
elder sable
i mean "net"
cedar spade
great
twin lagoon
"money people"
void void
well maybe but this isn't really the place for it
cedar spade
this is an English speaking Discord
void void
angielski only
elder sable
what about diversity?
real cave
Lmao Michael, that's the only term I could find appropriate
elder sable
do you have multiculturalism you racist ?
void void
we just communicate in english
pulsar wigeon
calling people racist isn't going to help your cause
void void
^
pulsar wigeon
i suggest you behave if you want to stick around
void void
i'm polish but i don't go speaking polish here, i speak that somewhere else
elder sable
it helps the vocal minority ;)
pulsar wigeon
that's literally not even what that means
real cave
I was in Poland and my Russian knowledge helped me get through lmao
Sometimes you hear a bit of russian
And the rest leaves you wondering tf was said
void void
i wonder the same about russian haha
real cave
They're pretty established as a country so they have no reason to use English, which I'm far more superior at compared to my polish skill
latent valve
Im scare to send a GIF 
real cave
Like in Sweden you can talk in English to everyone lol
latent valve
True but we still prefer u speak swedish. 
real cave
Yea, ofc
elder sable
russians for the past centuries have always looked up to the west
the same is happening with north korea
real cave
I have no problem learning a language, but that's gotta be spoken in multiple countries than just one
Especially if that's a country I don't plan to live in
Just passing by.
What's for sure I'll never want to learn Dutch, that sounds like choking all the time xD
void void
@pulsar wigeon why you kicked me?
elder sable
it worked, you speak english now :kappa:
pulsar wigeon
rules are hard
viral hornet
why you kicked me?
A question as old as time itself
mossy vessel
Yet they survived their second ping
viral hornet
Wiz is getting lenient in his old age
elder sable
no he is just not trigger-happy
with great power comes great responsibility
its better you make mistakes with wielding power in some random discord server than later in lyf
viral hornet
Wow so wise
elder sable
its an antipattern i see in people
waxen panther
wiz is going to be a great person later on in life then
void void
these wiz jokes are getting old
waxen panther
jk i love u wiz
elder sable
wiz is already twice as old as most of ppl here
latent valve
magic river
Most people here are 12?
elder sable
probably not since this is about the server software...
magic river
You said it not me
elder sable
14 then ✔ (excluding colored old faces)
cosmic raft
void void
Dudes
twin lagoon
hi kashike
void void
Were Rules about "No Russian lang on this server"?
elder sable
there we come full circle, micro$oft
void void
I mean it's descrimination
magic river
And what do they do when you start talking about how to solve the jewish question or something but in russian so they can't understand it?
magic river
Use a language the mods understand or they can't be mods so there are no rules
void void
if you want help from us, speak in english, simple
In this momebt I don't want help
peak dirge
Microsoft has a Java engineering group? 🤯
olive marlin
Everyone here understands English. If you speak Russian, moderators don't know if you are obeying or breaking rules.
unreal quarry
thing is, English is a global language. you are the one descriminating by using a different language @void void
twin lagoon
it's fucking common sense
no one here speaks russian and then you come in with a completely different language
elder sable
"Java Performance for Azure at Microsoft"
they know where the money is
Make me mod and I will moderate those russians and germans
peak dirge
yeah lots of enterprise customers use Azure and lots of enterprise customers use Java apps
void void
May be it s have sense
peak dirge
makes sense to me
elder sable
(5 minutes a week at a maximum)
olive marlin
But you can't be online 24/7
void void
Bue bue
Good sleep
I go sleeping
its simple, we are english speaking community, go somewhere else if you want to speak in a different language
static badge
bout time they start fucking stack allocating jeez
elder sable
same way microsoft is fucking "love open source"
the only thing a patch this size means they have far more optimizations in house on the JVM they're not willing to share to have a competetive advantage inside their cloud
Microsoft ❤ Open Source
hexed plinth
i kid you not this isn't edited
magic river
In their benchmarks this was always a perf win, they couldn't find a regression on existing benchmarks
5-45%
Although that 45% was an outlier, the others were 5-15%
static badge
the only regression is if you're using recursive algorithms and they decide to start stack allocating
magic river
This is an enhancement to escape analysis though, it can only stack allocate objects that aren't in arrays, don't get stored in other objects, and are created and destroyed in a single method
elder sable
I'd say thats the only reason they hesitate and want to offload it to mainline JDK
magic river
They want to "offload" it to mainline because that's how you get people to use your code 😛
Less work for them to maintain it, it'll be improved from the review process, and people will actually use it
elder sable
and good PR ;)
magic river
This is how open source works
static badge
in anycase can't wait for that to come along - wonder what it'll do for blockpos
magic river
PR probably isn't even a factor
elder sable
whatchabout appget
magic river
Just because an open source thing exists doesn't mean they have to use it instead of making their own
Beyond that I don't know enough about the two, I know their goal is to only do MSIX packages through their system in the end
It makes sense for a company to fork or rewrite something they plan to do significant work on and want to have tied to their release cycle and ecosystem
They don't plan to change how openssh works so they just ship that
elder sable
With that in mind have you considered spending more time dedicated to appget and potentially at Microsoft?Initially, I was a bit hesitant; I didn’t want to go to Microsoft to work on Windows Store, MSI engine or some other app deployment-related stuff. Shortly after, I was assured that I would spend all my time on AppGet. After about a month of prolonged email back and forth, we came to the conclusion that the arrangement will be very similar to an acqui-hire; Microsoft would hire me, AppGet would come with me, and they would decide if they wanted to rename it something else, or it would become Microsoft AppGet.
I mean from a business PoV I can understand them not wanting to rely on an open source guy who doesnt want to get hired the way BTW bukkit team sorta did (not)
magic river
Microsoft will probably never say but I bet the buyout/hire process took so long that a few people on the team started working on their own thing just in case then someone noticed and decided to just go with that
As for why it took so long... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
elder sable
boo do you imply someone on a team went and started wasting development time without management's approval? :P
magic river
Apparently OpenJ9 already does this optimization
elder sable
magic river
Or at least does some stack allocation that isn't the scalar replacement that hotspot already uses escape analysis for
.NET Core also does this optimization but not scalar replacement
(OpenJ9 does both)
elder sable
iirc said "will do [in future release]"
magic river
Oh no Mr 9-9-9 got COVID-19
static badge
wat
void void
who?
magic river
Herman Cain
His favorite song (which he misquoted a lot) was the theme song from Pokemon: The Movie 2000
It was the first time a meme ran for president
serene bolt
peak dirge
@magic river Finally I have a reason to play with OpenJ9 again 🙂
I need to find some good flags for OpenJ9 and 1.13+
elder sable
whats so exciting about openJ9?
elder sable
👍 ✔
magic river
It's an implementation of the JVM from IBM that is in some ways more advanced
And they're trying to turn it into a generic JIT library you can easily plug in to any language interpreter
peak dirge
the GC choices are a bit lackluster though
I still plan to play with it
Someone did some playing and suggested the balanced policy might be better, and I think they're onto something
unreal quarry
whats so exciting about openJ9?
nothing at all.
peak dirge
2020-07-02T18:14:40.388425571
Virtual machine: 701712 JVM information:
JRE 11 Linux amd64-64-Bit Compressed References 20200416_574 (JIT enabled, AOT enabled)
OpenJ9 - 05fa2d361
OMR - d4365f371
JCL - 838028fc9d based on jdk-11.0.7+10
"main" prio=5 Id=1 RUNNABLE
at java.base@11.0.7/java.util.zip.Inflater.inflateBytesBytes(Native Method)
at java.base@11.0.7/java.util.zip.Inflater.inflate(Inflater.java:385)
- locked java.util.zip.Inflater$InflaterZStreamRef@9ce3995e
at java.base@11.0.7/java.util.zip.InflaterInputStream.read(InflaterInputStream.java:153)
at java.base@11.0.7/java.io.FilterInputStream.read(FilterInputStream.java:133)
at app//io.papermc.paperclip.Paperclip.readFully(Paperclip.java:243)
at app//io.papermc.paperclip.Paperclip.checkPaperJar(Paperclip.java:129)
at app//io.papermc.paperclip.Paperclip.setupEnv(Paperclip.java:91)
at app//io.papermc.paperclip.Paperclip.main(Paperclip.java:45)
ancient bolt
openj9 is just IBM / Eclipse's JVM
elder sable
that's what I thought. but that trace looks like its built on top of OpenJDK 11?
unreal quarry
j9 doesnt mean version 9. its just a bad name
elder sable
no thats not what I meant
it looks like a fork/patch set on top of 11 release in his case
ancient bolt
OpenJDK has builds for HotSpot and OpenJ9...and presumably other people have other openjdk builds with other JVMs
elder sable
downstream to openjdk like paper is to spigot
ancient bolt
no
cedar spade
not really?
ancient bolt
cedar spade
OpenJ9 is an alternative to HotSpot, it's not accurate to call it an alternative to OpenJDK itself
peak dirge
current results with -Xms4G -Xmx4G -Xmns1G -Xmns2G -Xgcpolicy:balanced seem promising
Unfortunately, balanced doesn't have a lot of tuning choices
void void
cedar spade
wh-
spice finch
peak dirge
elder sable
idk whats worse:
https://barclays.co.uk/ →
PR_CONNECT_ABORTED_ERROR
cedar spade
also fun discovery today: my phone differentiates between when TRS and TRRS jacks are plugged in and stores separate volume levels for them
I have never noticed this in the past
serene bolt
that's actually pretty neat
cedar spade
stops me getting my ears blasted out when I plug it into a speaker/line in then plug in earphones
limber knotBOT
3.5mm audio jacks are the worst... had an microphone recently which I tried to use. turns out that they inverted the polarity or something a while ago which basically makes those unusable on newer devices -.-
elder sable
because its so hard to comply with a standard of 3 wires 😂
what are we gonna do
although I had a cheap chinese headphones once, they had inversed L-R channels
cedar spade
ye, I think the current "standard" for TRRS has only really been common for 8-10 years ish?
void void
yeah for my old phone i had to get this weird splitter thing to get them to work. cheap trrs to trs converter or whatever its called
elder sable
ah so phoenix must have been talking about TRRS then: "TRRS—with conflicting wiring standards"
I believe thats the bs Apple started
limber knotBOT
maybe, intrestingly enough an old camera worked with that microphone
but nothing else
so I dunno, lol
elder sable
this page says the TRRS was used differently but basically now everyone adopted Apples standard
I remember there being misconceptions around AUX and "Apple compatible" around ~2013
https://www.provideocoalition.com/ts-trs-trrs-trrrs-combating-the-misconnection-epidemic/
waxen panther
TRRRRRRRRS when ?
elder sable
so apple baited everyone and removed 3.5mm jack 😂
you got all in one USB-C / Thunderbolt / USB3 / USB2/ USB3.1 / USB3.1 Gen1 / USB3.1 Gen2
arent you happy yet?
I probably missed a few
...dozen
void void
man discord feels really weird when the cpu is pinned
vernal moth
usb-c has nothing to do with the usb version
void void
kitay!
vernal moth
usb-c is the connector
vernal moth
well, it will be noted in the tech sheet
just gotta make sure to buy proper cables too
ancient bolt
that's considerably worse once you throw thunderbolt in
void void
looks at the nintendo switch
vernal moth
isnt thunderbolt getting merged into usb spec now?
ancient bolt
not only are there different versions of thunderbolt, individual devices may or may not support x features, they all have different amounts of PCI lanes, they all have power delivery requirements
it's a mess
elder sable
The USB4 specification is based on the Thunderbolt 3 protocol specification.[2]
ancient bolt
nintendo switch doesn't even use usb or thunderbolt, they just use the port
minor badge
@waxen panther cutie xoxo
minor badge
no
magic sapphire
I have some quick questions some of you may have some asnwers on.
All my servers are running 1.15.2, java 8, Aikar recommended flags, CPU's are i9 9900k at 5.0Hz, and either 16GB or 28GB ram for each server. If I switch my servers to java 14 am I likely to see any performance upgrades and also how likely am I to encounter problems or plugins breaking ect etc. Is it safer to do java 11 instead?
Secondly, Given my situation is ZGC or Shenandoah gc anything I should consider? I have seen these mentioned before in various places.
vernal moth
g1gc is fine, update to at least 11, better 14 for sure
just try it on a test server and see
g1gc has received new improvements in every update
magic sapphire
Are any of my plugins likely to break going to 14 or is that just a rarity I have seen some people experience
minor badge
Try ZGC if you can be fucked, it might end up good, might not
minor badge
There are those small stupid plugins doing stupid shit which break em, but not many of them
serene bolt
I personally just use J11 for compatibility sake, but only the hackiest of plugins will break on J14
minor badge
i run java 14 everywhere, works amazing :)
waxen panther
java 1
wtf are you doing
i read this chat like
all the time
oh my
yes
good call
lol
void void
i can't tell wtf is going on between you two
minor badge
@waxen panther nighty cutie xx
waxen panther
goodnight xxxx
it's not
what
oh lol
you're going to be overrun with ants
You're going to feed your dog to your ants?
interesting
I'm not sure thats quite how that works
You might be on to something though
potent fossil
@minor badge bokmål or nynorsk
wat do u personally use
norwegian
lol
no i asked which language she writes in
as for norwegian, there are two
potent fossil
those are the names of the languages, buddy
one is called Bokmål, and the other is Nynorsk
elder sable
this could mean genocide in indonesian
potent fossil
except it doesn't
magic river
We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
potent fossil
wow glare's voice is so hot
void void
haha
sweet musk
is paper 1.16.1 stable now?
magic river
You tell me
waxen panther
proxi speaks new norwegian btw