it'll be out as soon as Z receives his taco shipment
I ate all the tacos, sorry. 👀
#general
rare herald
pulsar wigeon
ahamme you're quite pushing the issue you know...
magic river
It's only funny when I do it
magic river
Everyone else gets das boot
earnest trail
/co rb u:Intelli a:eat block:taco
opal adder
my guy this is a general chat
earnest trail
Fixed 🙂 @rare herald
magic river
🌯
void void
thorny totem
kind plaza
what patch are we on i cant find it on the stream >.<
magic river
fallen oracle
Like 520
magic river
That was supposed to be a taco with a big NO symbol on it, btw
void void
I don't believe you
pulsar wigeon
you need to use the actual unicode, not the discord emote
unicode combiners don't work on emotes
only on unicode
void void
upper flicker
nope
void void
rekt, press f for amaranth get got 'im boys
magic river
Not fine but at least not black and white
The no only covers half the taco for some reason
rare herald
Ate 6 tacos tonight 😩
fallen oracle
😮
upper flicker
updated roles
vestal jasper
i had 4 tacos last night
fallen oracle
I'm jealous.
Actually, I do have to mow tomorrow, so I'll take that money and go buy some tacos.
void void
I updated MY rolls
void void
cuz I ate 8 tacos today
rare herald
!
void void
vast idol
1.16 is gonna be amazing with Paper, even the first releases of spigot my server is running very well so far XD
I'm just happy to be off of running a vanilla one in snapshots lol
oblique cypress
vast idol
When it's done!! That's always the BEST eta!
half wing
tomorrow
vestal jasper
If I have to explain to one more person how fucking buildtools works I'm going to blow my brains out
upper flicker
hey vic how does buildtools work?
vestal jasper
Z
upper flicker
shouldnt I just dl the jar
quartz peak
That’s good news that 1.16 has improved performance. Gonna amazing when paper brings out the big guns. Rooting for you guys. 💪🏽
vestal jasper
I'm going to send you a few SFW images in dms.
static badge
when I download buildtools
quartz peak
No balls 
static badge
I double click on it to get 1.16 but it doesn't work
vestal jasper
TLDR mcMMO uses something that's broken in early spigot builds, which the latest version on getbukkit has.
So mcMMO is getting flooded with users using getbukkit who cannot run mcMMO.
It's starting to piss me off
upper flicker
yeah I was talking to noss about that earlier
static badge
welcome to
upper flicker
he seemed thrilled about it
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spigotmc buildtools
quartz peak
Lol
fallen oracle
You should just ban them for using illegal ways to obtain the jar.
shut marten
or when it's ready: paperclip
vestal jasper
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this is how my day has been going so far.
static badge
vic pls
vestal jasper
ancient bolt
no one wants to read all that
fallen oracle
md pls
stray oyster
Come join the viaversion discord! Get your popcorn and listen to how users spigot is always up to date and it can’t be that their plugins aren’t because they downloaded them five minutes ago! I’ll even throw in complaints about NMS modifying plugins breaking to sweeten the deal
kind plaza
T-T I just want paper to update
fallen oracle
👢
potent fossil
"do i need to make a bat file"
the answer to a newb like that is yes, you need to make a bat file
toxic ember
does villager trade optimiser do anything for 1.15
potent fossil
not "no just use your terminal"
toxic ember
or is it mostly just for 1.14
potent fossil
he clearly doesnt know what that means
foggy pewter
I agree, .bat file gets the same job done and it's more understandable to a new user
potent fossil
functionally theyre the same thing
he just doesnt know the word "terminal", so help him and say make a bat file
its just as easy imo
¯_(ツ)_/¯
foggy pewter
well yeah plus familiarity
vestal jasper
Simple. The issue is having to do this 13 times an hour.
fallen oracle
Just tell them that using 3rd party sites to obtain the jar will result in a ban.
DM me link, I'll go in and start yelling.
vestal jasper
Learning how to do literally the first step in running a server is outside the scope of plugin support imo.
fallen oracle
It really is.
potent fossil
I mean, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing
Just saying if you really wanted to help him that was the clear choice of phraseology
void void
I am
vestal jasper
Sure. (No /s)
void void
the lord helps those who help themselves, pimple
potent fossil
im well aware
like i said im not agreeing or disagreeing, i completely agree with a little critical thought that person could've figured it out
im just saying, the "use a terminal" comment was clearly not getting thru so if one actually cared, the clear choice of phrasing would've been to agree with his "make a bat file?" question
that's all ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vestal jasper
I can't wait until I can tell people to just use paperclip and shill the fuck out of paper
potent fossil
paperclip spoils them
BT isnt that hard, it should be easy enough for them to figure out
but it's not i guess
void void
A little critical thought is an unreasonable ask
aren't "build tools" the people who set up the CI I download paperclip from??
vestal jasper
I wish getbukkit wasn't a thing. And that hosts would stop supplying outdated jars.
Both of those are causing 95% of the issue here
lone crag
is the 1.16.1 snapshot available somewhere?
vestal jasper
The other 5% are like "yeah ok got it ty" when I say to update spigot.
void void
BAN
potent fossil
spigot
potent fossil
paper is in progress
lone crag
SWEET!
potent fossil
we should make a site like 'how to make a minecraft server' that shows how painfully simple it is to set one up (management is another story, maybe we could make a guide for idiots on that too) and then we'd have a website to link ppl to for everything lol
and we could shill paper in it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
looks at paperclip
ok barty
i mean, yea, but they aren't being consistently linked
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) xkcd: Standards (20 July 2011) | http://xkcd.com/927
vestal jasper
There are. But as I found out today there are literally fucking YouTube videos saying to use the getbukkit and serverjars sites.
potent fossil
yea, i mean, that's my point
both 1) its really easy and 2) there is a lot of misinformation
so... lets make a guide for idiots that ISN'T misinformation, and then consistently link it in support chats
or, find one that works instead of making it
point being link ppl to some consistent source of info that optimally we could update w/ each version Oh shit im talking about minecraft wiki
yeah nobody uses that
ok whatever i bought howtomcserver.com
ima just GH sites it
so each page will be a markdown file
that way we can update it pretty efficiently
left swift
Y not just make a spigot thread
potent fossil
bc i want to shill paper
left swift
Kids believe everything they see in a spigot thread
Ah
Forgot about that tiny detail
vestal jasper
nah simple they'll only fuck you over and delete your thread if your name is barty
if your name is literally anything else they'll keep your guide up
potent fossil
left swift
Its Barty of course u gotta delete it
i just had a thought
earnest trail
Anyone know how many patches they’re at now?
potent fossil
nope
potent fossil
.eta
limber knotBOT
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
left swift
Such a blaster
potent fossil
pew pew
left swift
Code blaster
hallow geyser
big blaster
potent fossil
left swift
Vote to rename contributor to code blaster
potent fossil
no
left swift
Yes simp
potent fossil
no
left swift
Yes
potent fossil
No.
pulsar wigeon
how about stfu
potent fossil
:(
left swift
So rude
potent fossil
rebuild with BT
pulsar wigeon
this isn't spigot discord
potent fossil
and ^
pulsar wigeon
well why don't you go ask spigot discord
slate seal
interesting logic
left swift
How did you get a spigot jar in the first place
dull lichen
Looking at the jenkins page and i see that paper is getting ready for 1.16 😛 really ready for it xD
left swift
Wtf lol
left swift
Gross
dull lichen
you can download the jar from jenkins on spigot i think
left swift
potent fossil
Are we doing this?
Maybe you're new to the community, but years ago there was a legal fiasco which sort of caused Spigot's popularity boost... and uhm...it's not legal to host a spigot jar. That's why BuildTools exists.
It's the only legal way to get Spigot.
They won't, but you're opening up your server to backdoors, viruses, and outdated-ness.
pulsar wigeon
ezpz we just ban you
potent fossil
Like you just admitted to.
pulsar wigeon
and don't have to worry about this bs anymore
potent fossil
Yeah wtf lmao
What an attitude
whoever owns that domain is probably running a huge botnet by now
void void
😎👌
magic river
Should have asked where they were hosting it first
void void
good shit rite there
magic river
No, sounded like they were providing a mirror just to be a contrarian
Was going to try to scare them a little
potent fossil
oh lol
sharp sentinel
Realistically anyone who contributed to Bukkit before Spigot was a thing could issue a takedown of a hosted Spigot jar file, right?
Well, before the legal fiasco
potent fossil
yea
i think they still could
it's not legal to host those
dont know if they really give af to
sharp sentinel
I assume it's a bit different as Spigot's CLA has some clauses around it
abstract dagger
wait im new if spigot hosting jars is illegal what's paper
warped spear
it pisses me of that they renamed bedrock edition to just minecraft and are now calling minecraft java edition
sharp sentinel
Paper doesn't host a jar file containing MC source code
So there's no legal issue
potent fossil
you run paperclip, and it does a patch for you, avoiding the hosting issue entirely
warped spear
like this is minecraft bedrock is the special new version
abstract dagger
oh
sharp sentinel
Although IIRC patches are an untested legal gray area :^)
abstract dagger
neat
potent fossil
they seem to work for now :^)
better than hosting a jar, just host the jar that patches the jar
:^)
gleaming rivet
wait im new if spigot hosting jars is illegal what's paper
@abstract dagger the folder in top of your dir is where the patches are :)
potent fossil
to be entirely clear, Spigot's BuildTools is legal
it's when someone hosts the jar you can just start
warped spear
og minecraft > bedrock
potent fossil
ok
gleaming rivet
Indeed, however bedrock is better optimized than java which is sad
gleaming rivet
Exactly my point
undone hare
gleaming rivet
I really wish they (mojang) would care just a smol bit about servers which is keeping java alive
But oh well, that doesn't happen ever 🤷♂️
undone hare
gleaming rivet
undone hare
Mo🅱️ang: 
undone hare
Honestly, Itll be great when all platforms and games allow you to crossplay
tepid raven
minecraft would be so much bigger if crossplay was a thing
undone hare
Agreed
tepid raven
and if mojang themselves made easy to setup server software
undone hare
chrome fulcrum
tis exactly what happened. But didn't delete the message itself...
vernal moth
and if mojang themselves made easy to setup server software
@tepid raven mojang does provide that?
It's not usable to most ^^
And that's fine
vestal jasper
Yeah message deletion is separate from preview deletion
tepid raven
@vernal moth yeah it isn't usable by the majority of the playerbase
you could argue that realms is their interpretation of servers but not only does that cost money but it doesn't grant as much freedom as 3rd party server softwares
undone hare
Man
Iv had nothing but issues with realms
Also when 4+ item frames are on the realm it lags it to hell
tepid raven
yo imagine minecraft built on unreal engine
magic river
Wouldn't help much
tepid raven
how so?
magic river
The things that make Minecraft slow are things Unreal doesn't do for you
So they'd still be done in a similar way, probably
It'd just be similar to Bedrock
tepid raven
hm yeah idk but minecraft java runs crazy bad
undone hare
Paper has been my go to for a bit now
tepid raven
i have a i7 6700k and VEGA 56 but even with optifine i can sometimes dip below 144 which shouldnt happen at all
vernal moth
Literally unplayable
undone hare
If minecraft is nit running at 250 frames its 2choppy4me
tepid raven
haha but fr with a game like minecraft i should be expecting really high frames
vernal moth
Not really
Minecraft is rather hard to render
Since you know, endless modifyable world that is streamed from a server
tepid raven
even singleplayer though
magic river
250 is way harder than 144 too
vernal moth
Even Singleplayer uses a server
dusk drift
SP is a server
tepid raven
really?
undone hare
magic river
Hell, the difference between 60 and 120 isn't as big as the difference between 120 and 144, to give you an idea of how hard it is to scale up there
vernal moth
Don't get me wrong, of course it could be better, but you underestimate the complexity of the game and generally we aren't in such a bad spot
abstract dagger
haha block make gpu go brrr
magic river
I'm wording that poorly but yeah, the higher the framerate is the harder it gets to reach, it's not a linear thing
tepid raven
yeah but its definitely a problem if I can run a game like fortnite that is even more complex at consistently over 144 frames and have trouble keeping minecraft over 144
magic river
Fortnite isn't anywhere near as complex
vernal moth
At high frame rates your frame budget gets so low, that you can't do everything every frame and spread shit
undone hare
fortnite
tepid raven
have you ever played fortnite amaranth?
undone hare
magic river
You can't modify the world in Fortnite, just the buildings
magic river
You could do more than that on a PS1
vernal moth
Fortnight also has one of the oldest engines and prolly the engine where the most money ever was invested into it
gleaming rivet
Fortnite should be a sin to even mention
tepid raven
you are shooting and breaking
magic river
You aren't digging holes in the world at random, it's static geometry with some destructible things on top
tepid raven
the server has to be updated on the movement of 100 players, shooting, building, breaking, etc.
magic river
And you can place some of those destructible things, big deal
Games were doing what Fortnite does with 64 players on dialup like 20 years ago
tepid raven
what?
magic river
In Minecraft the whole world is dynamic, it's a lot more data and a lot more complicated to render
neat smelt
@tepid raven minecraft 1.8 can handle 100 players building, breaking and attacking
vernal moth
It's really hard to understand theses things if you never implemented your own game
undone hare
MAG online was p lit on ps3
tepid raven
you are SEVERELY underesimating fortnite
vernal moth
@tepid raven minecraft 1.8 can handle 100 players building, breaking and attacking
@neat smelt as can 1.15.2?
neat smelt
*can handle it easily
magic river
A lot more complicated to do pathfinding and collision detection on, too
neat smelt
1.15.2 needs a lot of tweaks
undone hare
You are SEVERELY overestimating what fornite does
tepid raven
i'd disagree
magic river
Although the large block size helps there, to some extent other games optimize their pathfinding and collision detection by turning their terrain into something similar to Minecraft
neat smelt
i start a voteban on almight malgus
magic river
But as a static thing and in a more efficient format, since it's static
void void
avistah games have been more destructible with higher playercount for literally decades. Just because a game may not have or need the most complex rendering doesn't make it bad, in fact its actually good
urban depot
How's progress on paper now?
void void
Its popularity was probably contributed to by the ease at which it runs
wooden juniper
netty is being a 
tepid raven
compare its netcode to other games with a large amount of players in a match like most battle royales
void void
Most battle royales were assembled quickly to cash in
vernal moth
We were talking about rendering tho?
magic river
Fortnite is very solid execution of what it is but that doesn't change the technical complexity of it, that's just good engineering
tepid raven
and none of them are nearly as smooth as fortnite
void void
as it was stated, its on an older engine with millions put into it
vernal moth
Let's not mix topics
void void
rendering is great, and netcode is great
not that complex tho
quality =/= complexity
tepid raven
im pretty sure fortnite runs on a modified version of unreal engine to suit its specific needs
undone hare
Join a fornite discord ffs
vernal moth
And all changes get obviously merged upstream
tepid raven
yeah msot of the changes can be seen in unreal engine 5
vernal moth
Epic would be pretty dum to not share those improvements
No they are all in ue4, lol
Fortnight doesn't use ue5, it's no where near ready
neat smelt
yes
vernal moth
And like, ue5 isn't a new engine, it's still mostly the same code
gleaming rivet
Yes
tepid raven
doesnt that affect performance?
vernal moth
Wasn't that refactored later? :P
undone hare
-EA
magic river
Yeah, notch originally wrote the game twice
You had differences between the two, usually subtle things
magic river
The first thing the original Bukkit team did when they got hired was merge the two, for 1.3
vernal moth
Yeah, I remember
gleaming rivet
They redid alot of things in 1.13? All item ids and such?
magic river
That was just some light refactoring compared to 1.3
vernal moth
That's a small refactor compared to what we talking about, lol
gleaming rivet
Oh
magic river
1.3 took two games and turned them into one game
void void
Does anyone else think that its shameful that a fucking MICROSOFT buyout improved Minecraft's quality?
tepid raven
how is that shameful?
undone hare
Based
gleaming rivet
Improved 
void void
Like damn dude what was mojang doing if microsoft improved it
magic river
Microsoft hasn't had much input and no devs on Java MC
vernal moth
Mircosoft didn't improve it, mojang did?
magic river
It's still just Mojang and mostly still the same devs
tepid raven
yeah doesnt mojang control the java side
golden gust
Nothing really to do with MS, MS is basically what made 1.14 blow up
magic river
Microsoft does Bedrock
Although that is under the Mojang umbrella fully now with their reorg as Mojang Studios
vernal moth
Msft is just providing the financial stability and marketing and shit nowadays
void void
I just assumed they started cracking the whip behind the scenes
neat smelt
microsoft does not do good stuff
vernal moth
They do, lol
magic river
Microsoft does plenty of good stuff
tepid raven
rip mixer lmfao
vernal moth
What is this channel tofay
magic river
.NET Core, VSCode, TypeScript, etc
void void
The amount of content since the buy out... compared to the previous YEARS...
magic river
Microsoft rocks at devtools
gleaming rivet
Just see windows 🤷♂️
tepid raven
there has to be a way to make minecraft more optimized
i refuse to believe that this is as good as it gets
magic river
That's one of the big reasons Microsoft won, aside from their shady business practices
You'd want to build stuff for MS platforms anyway because it was such a nice experience
vernal moth
Under msft, mojang grew into an actual game studio, we have more ppl than ever before working on the java editon
magic river
You can absolutely make it more optimized, see Bedrock
gleaming rivet
Doesn't feel like it tho
magic river
But using Unreal Engine wouldn't help much
void void
Now that makes sense, I suppose
neat smelt
bedrock is a complete rewrite of minecraft which in the beginning was meant to run on phones
void void
the financial stability and increased numbers would explain the quality + content rate increase
tepid raven
it wouldn't help much but isn't part of the problem that minecraft is built on java
neat smelt
no wonder it runs a lot better
vernal moth
Ue4 isn't a voxel engine
Hytale needs to write their own engine too since there isn't anything that is able to do what minecraft does available
golden gust
No, java has nothing to do with the issue
neat smelt
i dont like the bedrock edition at all
magic river
Bedrock is Minecraft 1.2.5 ported line-for-line to C++, all the features too expensive for phones commented out, and the renderer rewritten for GLES
vernal moth
Maps and skins shouldn’t cost money
@void void why shouldn't community content creators that make maps and skins be paid?
earnest trail
Hey, can I be dragged in?
magic river
Then they've rewritten or otherwise optimized those commented out bits along the way to bring all the features back 😄
earnest trail
Ty
magic river
On PC and Mobile you can import skins, worlds, etc
tepid raven
@golden gust if im not mistaken the fact that minecraft uses java means that it has to go through a VM which affects performance
neat smelt
you can, just very annoying to do
magic river
You can't on console versions because consoles
vernal moth
The marketplace is an amazing thing, since it allows the community to sell stuff
golden gust
the JVM is far from the issue
vernal moth
Empowering creators
golden gust
Take a look at what paper does on the game vs mojang, etc
pulsar wigeon
lmfao
tepid raven
but at the cost of less freedom
magic river
The JVM is a huge part of the issue though
Mojang devs want to write nice looking maintainable code but that's the code that runs slowly with Java/JVM
tepid raven
thats what I thought too
magic river
That's why as they've been cleaning up the code it's been getting slower 😛
tepid raven
well its built on java as well
vernal moth
They kinda understood that now tho
magic river
You could make a Minecraft on Java that's way faster too, and still be readable and fairly easy to maintain but it's a much larger effort
And not as nice as you could do with Rust or C++
void void
WHAT
vernal moth
Is cpp ever nice?
void void
wait wait
magic river
Sure
void void
hold up
vernal moth
Yes
magic river
hytale is C#, isn't it?
vernal moth
Parts of the clients are at least, yes
magic river
Sure, C++ and Rust are basically impossible to mod unless the game provides the ability to do it
void void
magic river
You can't tear them apart and insert mod hooks like Bukkit
tepid raven
@magic river impossible to mod?
undone hare
Literally
neat smelt
nearly impossible to mod
tepid raven
you can create systems over it
magic river
I mean, you can, see gmod and SKSE
tepid raven
like blueprints in unreal engine
magic river
But it's stupidly hard in comparison
tepid raven
or even like skript for spigot
magic river
That's the developer providing for mod support
tepid raven
exactly
magic river
If they don't do that, you don't get any
tepid raven
assuming that they do though
vernal moth
And you get only what the dev wants or thinks of
magic river
Assuming they do when they've had it on their TODO list for a decade...
neat smelt
doubt
tepid raven
yeah its gonna be hard
torpid stirrup
tepid raven
but if minecraft is able to achieve total crossplay like fortnite has then there is no chance for hytale
nah pvp community is gonna stick with minecraft
magic river
They have it, just stop using the inferior (Java) version 😛
vernal moth
I mean, hytale works similarly to bedrock. You can't touch the client but you can mod the server (if you write a custom impl, lol)
magic river
Bedrock can crossplay on all consoles, mobile, and PC
magic river
macOS and Linux don't really count 😛
tepid raven
@magic river completely crossplay as in you can have a server where your PC, PS4, XBOX, switch, iOS, and android friends can all join
magic river
And iirc they make an x86 android apk still so you can get that going on Linux
@tepid raven you can do that, right now, with bedrock, afaik
vernal moth
@magic river completely crossplay as in you can have a server where your PC, PS4, XBOX, switch, iOS, and android friends can all join
@tepid raven that is not a technical issue but an issue of console makers being stupidly strict
tepid raven
fortnites done it
undone hare
Bruh
magic river
That server is probably a Realm but still
This isn't technically hard, it's a political thing
tepid raven
realms are so dumb it shows mojang incompetence for server side
magic river
Before fortnite the consoles didn't allow it
undone hare
And native mouse and keyboard functionality
magic river
Hell PS4 still doesn't allow it for some games, they're dicks to the smaller guys still
tepid raven
crazy what the most popular AAA game of all time can accomplish xd
epic threw in some fat checks
yeah
magic river
They can only host everything because Sony allows it
magic river
Other games were forced to use the PSN systems
Just like on XB1 they were forced to use XBL and crossplay with PC was only a thing because it could also do XBL
The first toe in the water for this stuff was actually Rocket League, iirc
But that couldn't do cross-console play, just consoles with PC
tepid raven
imagine minecraft in 100 years
undone hare
Imagine not having minecraft 2 in 100 years
untold copper
UwU
void void
No, you can execute code on decline
kicking them, etc
its not a good way of doing it
undone hare
When is minecraft 2 dropping mcsf
void void
well, it forces them to use it to play lol
tepid raven
mc in 100 years version 1.99.99.99.99.99.99.99 coming out with new VR settings
void void
I specifically said it was not a good option, only that it was an option
undone hare
magic river
I used to have that option enabled to automatically reject resource packs
iirc I ended up not evening being able to undo that because it saves the fact you rejected it
So I had to remove it from the server list
tepid raven
wish mojang would implement its own server system
something very simple to use but also allowing for full freedom
dull lichen
@tepid raven what do you mean?
void void
barty I play minecraft via a hotspot on my phone why should you be able to fuck up my bandwidth 
magic river
Mojang has their own server system, meant for servers with 20 players or less who all know each other and can use social solutions to stop cheaters and griefing
undone hare
@tepid raven isnt that what the server jar does 
magic river
aka punching your friend when he breaks your house
magic river
realms is mostly the same freedom as a server jar though
undone hare
🦆
magic river
You can upload/download worlds from it, upload resource packs, etc
tepid raven
but thats it
undone hare
No plugins doe 
tepid raven
you can't add functionality that plugins can achieve on spigot
yeah thats their vision
magic river
It's for playing with your friends
untold copper
UwU
magic river
They're not against public servers and such but they're happy to leave dealing with that to someone else, it isn't their focus
You can see that with datapacks, they're trying to let you create new content first, not tools for managing a server
Forge, not Bukkit 😛
tepid raven
yep unfortunate
untold copper
UwU
void void
Well, it's known for being a moderately user-friendly language with built in garbage collection
regardless of good or bad, it isn't known for performance 🙂
warm junco
void void
I'm not commenting on how good or bad it is, only what its known for
magic river
You can write super fast low latency Java code
magic river
It just usually doesn't look like Java anymore and is worse than just doing the same thing in C
minor badge
its definitely known for relatively good performance on code with little effort, but as soon as something has to do a lot, it kinda comes down tumbling with the larger codebase
tepid raven
lower level languages will always be faster
minor badge
always is not the word i'd pick
void void
That's not a very gamer attitude
magic river
I'm sorry you're not familiar with box plots
tepid raven
but ya java is slow compared to lower level languages
void void
...that format is like that for a reason lmao
magic river
Take a statistics class
tepid raven
not talking about the box plots
minor badge
i can promise you its not very hard to write slower rust than java
throw an arc around everything and woops performance tanked
magic river
These benchmarks aren't useful if you're writing web services but the kind of lower level math heavy code they're doing is the bread and butter of a game
minor badge
that is entirely false yes
magic river
You can write C++ that's slower than Python, doesn't mean C++ is slower
minor badge
altho, the compiler definitely has a part in it with its lack of optimisation
magic river
The main thing holding Java back is SIMD and value types
Get those and it'll be down in Ada territory at least
Maybe even Fortran 😛
(on these benchmarks)
numpy is mostly calling out to fortran code, iirc
magic river
BLAS is Fortran
void void
I thought fortran was that anonymous hacker
magic river
Although people have been reimplementing it, in whole or part, in other languages
void void
magic river
LAPACK too
magic river
BLAS, LAPACK, and EISPACK
Most langauges just provide wrappers around those, like numpy
earnest trail
It’s crazy how much progress they’ve made in such short time. What are we at now, 520 patches?
magic river
They've done all of them
earnest trail
Oh nice
magic river
Now they're fixing accidentally dropped stuff, compile error, etc
earnest trail
Yeah, compiling errors are big
magic river
After that will be watching the server crash a few times on startup or player join and fixing those
pulsar wigeon
who needs compilation anyway
earnest trail
Is that the general process? I’m curious
magic river
Yeah
earnest trail
And then it’s pretty much finished, correct?
magic river
Nah then it's probably buggy as hell but at least it starts
So that's build 1
Then you get to help find all the ways it's broken and report bugs
earnest trail
Yeah, but I mean it’s released to the public after that
magic river
Then in a couple weeks it'll probably be mostly solid
golden gust
Well, yea, technically
pulsar wigeon
i mean it's already released to the public
golden gust
You'd be crazy to actually run it on a server you care about
magic river
Technically it's public right now, you could go get it
pulsar wigeon
on github already, just doesnt compile yet
void void
They say that 90% of the development process is actually developing, and the other 90% is debugging
pulsar wigeon
we should get 180% pay too
earnest trail
Well I’d rather not run it considering all the bugs
magic river
And the final 90% is redoing things when the client changes their mind last minute
slate seal
Software hazard pay should totally be a thing
earnest trail
That’s p cool though, seems like they’ve made so much progress already
fluid drift
What would happen if I would compile paper 1.16 branch?
Would it even compile at all?
quasi valley
no
worn ember
Kenny is just a hater
quasi valley
no u
worn ember
shell vine
teal cedar
fluid drift
Or rather updating
fluid drift
Does spigot finally renders new nether or is it still borked?
fluid drift
It's like pre-release 1 lol
fluid drift
Remember times when spigot was like 100x faster than bukkit and supported bungee?
That was beautiful time
pine rain
I remember my old hMod server lol
fluid drift
And welcome to 2020
Where people want paper to be instantly updated with no error and bugs
earnest trail
Yeah, people need to learn patience
We’ll release when we can, the developers are working very hard on it
fluid drift
Like I was not expecting for spigot to release that fast, I thought it would be out like at the end of the month
earnest trail
I was honestly shocked
fluid drift
We’ll release when we can, the developers are working very hard on it
Oh they are
earnest trail
md_5 was on top of it
fluid drift
I think it's 4am for Aikar?
earnest trail
Yeah lol
fluid drift
Yup 4:15
earnest trail
They’ve been so fast with it, it’s insane
At this rate, I should be able to update my server by tomorrow or Saturday
(Hopefully)
fluid drift
Lol
earnest trail
Might wait it out a bit for the bugs
fluid drift
I planned to wait around 2 weeks to get everything stable
earnest trail
That’s fair
fluid drift
Also viaversion is just insane
earnest trail
Might run it on a test server first
fluid drift
Viaversion?
stray oyster
fluid drift
Nah, it's insane that it supported 1.16 nearly instantly
quasi valley
not nearly instantly; one day before it released ;p
rain thistle
i cant break end portal frames using the mushroom method on paper, any ideas?
fluid drift
I mean, I thought that it would around a week to get any plugins/jars that support 1.16
But nope
Next day got pinged viaver 3.0 released
fluid drift
tame pendant
@atomic rapids I have. It's working okay. Lots of exploits and bugs and crashes tho because the Paper patches aren't there
worn ember
Kenny b liek: protocol number++
Ezzzz update
rigid mural
tulip inlet
nowhere
tulip inlet
oh, spigot
chrome fulcrum
Use BuildTools
void void
looks like spigots discord brought in beggers haha
untold copper
UwU
golden gust
.g xkcd compiling
limber knotBOT
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neat smelt
xd
quasi valley
imagine 1 to 1 copy pasting a warning with so much info, you could drown in it, asking what's the problem https://i.imgur.com/MG36rHv.png
dapper nacelle
docker on windows is so bad
like I get why it could be slightly faster on linux but jesus fucking christ its slow on windows
ornate spindle
anything on windows is bad tbh except gaming, though linux is slowly catching up on the compatible games
ornate spindle
how in the world
ornate spindle
the lack of intel chipset drivers is interesting, asus mobo drivers is kinda expected though
but tbh, I don't think I ever even installed drivers for my hardware except for my gpu (on windows that is)
fluid drift
imagine compiling spigot on a phone
fluid drift
I was compiling buildtools and it took like 6 minutes
mossy terrace
most drivers are just rolled into the kernel, especially intel stuff anything else isjust fluff.
hearty nebula
Does anyone know when paper 1.16 will come out?
fluid drift
I'm interested how long would it take on a phone lol
Does anyone know when paper 1.16 will come out?
@hearty nebula #724929044105265153
also, has Aikar finally went sleep?
cedar spade
ye
fluid drift
finally
wind epoch
like I get why it could be slightly faster on linux but jesus fucking christ its slow on windows
@dapper nacelle the new update of windows lets you run docker with WSL, and it works quite well ^^
wsl 2*
dapper nacelle
wtf is up with all the people in vc
smoky python
The ubuntu desktop installing shit look so good
cedar spade
We're on hour 39 of voice call #2
zealous wedge
everyone likes to watch suffering
cedar spade
that-MD-inflicted suffering
vernal moth
26.06.2020 12:27 - Build completed successfully with 137 warnings in 15 s 107 ms
wooo
dapper nacelle
137 warnings
vernal moth
nobody cares about warnings in this project, lol
dapper nacelle
I am scared of warnings
smoky python
No body cares
dapper nacelle
every time I open some class from the stuff I am working on and see 30 warnings I cringe
dapper nacelle
the code isn't mine either
vernal moth
who cares
void void
woo compiling!
smoky python
pastel pivot
How to apply anti-xray to non-overworld worlds ...
@full silo Just add a section after the default world section for the worlds where you want to enable or configure Anti-Xray differently. Here is an example how to configure Anti-Xray per world: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/bbba475a6b4e4bd1b776d5a36a1c0822
These are the settings I am using. Not exactly what you are looking for, but you should get the idea how this works.
cedar spade
.g loaded pineapple
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cedar spade
@sharp sentinel
dapper nacelle
I just ate 0.5kg of cashews
warm anchor
So do you eat the crust too on pineapple or ...?
viral hornet
cedar spade
.wa time since 18:50 bst on 24th june
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cedar spade
can't pinpoint exactly when kenny joined but I think it was then
naive quest
what do you think about hetzner anti ddos?
i've been hosting my server there for two months but I haven't encountered any attack yet
waxen panther
naive quest
better to move to ovh?
latent valve
i use hetzner with tcpshield for mc server
someone can hit u off for afew minute before hetzner anti ddos kick it
naive quest
ok, thanks for advice
slender jay
yeah hetzners ddos protection is okay after it kicks in, but that short time before it does is just 
cedar spade
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vestal jasper
@waxen panther
waxen panther
Gm
vestal jasper
Gn
waxen panther
Gn
fast summit
finite wave
Only if you use slimefun
ivory radish
are aikar's flags included in the #724929044105265153 ?
limber knotBOT
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ivory radish
aikars flags are crashing my 1.16.1 server
imma test again to be 100% sure
i give server 2G since its my test server but when i stop it takes time and crashes
granite salmon
im using it on 1.16 and works fine
ivory radish
its locally
left swift
U kno nothing
ivory radish
ok nvm its when you start the server for the first time maybe
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_252-b09)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.252-b09, mixed mode)```its when you start server for the first time and stop it it lags
yes
limber knotBOT
Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg
ivory radish
imma test something real quick to actually check its not aikars flags and its just spigot being a bad boy
its spigot being a bad boy
also its not a crash its just a server stopped responding and gives a thread dump when you first start a server then stop it
cosmic raft
somber stag
Why is it not stable?
quasi valley
because it's not done
somber stag
Owh ok
left swift
Tables wobbly
olive garden
paper is never stable though, you must always do your own testing
fair scroll
But if its not stable it means that it exists, that's a good news
olive garden
I like this guy's positive attitude
worn ember
ur the unstable one
olive garden
no
worn ember
yes
void void
can confirm
round cedar
That's wiz when a new versions out
olive garden
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
worn ember
he has anger issues, can confirm
olive garden
I will end you mikro
worn ember
he snapped when i talked about regex yesterday too smmh
void void
see???
worn ember
well i got it working without you
worn ember
thanks im super proud of it
vernal moth
Why is it not stable?
@somber stag its crashing on startup 😄
worn ember
fast shutdown feature
worn ember
you must be very sad
night mist
I am bored out of my mind
left swift
Crapbook
worn ember
ah yes let the war begin
night mist
I’m not even going to comment to that
left swift
That's not consensual
worn ember
left swift
I got ur back ded I believe you
worn ember
thanks :))
limber knotBOT
is this a joke on philippines always being depressed inside or what?
left swift
We live in a society
dapper nacelle
man that's deep
finite wave
“PRRRRT”
void void
holy shit, fabulous option warns about shitty gpu drivers now
osx users are cucked lol
opengl 2.1 max
night mist
Woo mac ordered
quartz peak
Yo there a reason why villagers trading items dont refresh every night? Or refresh at all.
left swift
They're sleeping
quartz peak
Ive been letting them sleep and their items dont refresh with new ones
quartz peak
restock with different items
yes
am i supposed to max the trade to get new stuff?
fuck
welp time to get more armor villagers then
left swift
waxen panther
stolen
median crane
@waxen panther 
waxen panther
vestal jasper
@waxen panther
waxen panther
@vestal jasper
median crane
dont ping my boyfriend
vestal jasper
Hi
median crane
asshole
waxen panther
vestal jasper
Shut up cow
median crane
waxen panther
astral cipher
Has anyone tried Spigot 1.16
How's the server performance in comparison to 1.15
astral cipher
ouch
unborn sigil
Maybe its my fault, but sometimes it uses 15% and sometimes 100% (2 core 2,8 ghz)
chrome scroll
2,8 ghz
unborn sigil
Maybe it can be fixed by map preloading
astral cipher
On Paper 1.15, my cpu usage fluctuates to 200% from 90% xd, idk it might be normal or an unfound memory leak
unborn sigil
Its fun to pay 100$ per month for a fucking minecraft server
unborn sigil
So i choosed cheap 2,8 ghz
worn ember
wtf am i reading
twin lagoon
ghz isn't the most important thing
chrome scroll
its not the most important but 2.8 is kinda not that good
twin lagoon
depends on the cpu
astral cipher
Will a small server of around 20 players run on a 4 core AMD Epyc 7702
unborn sigil
Imagine getting banned from paper discord because of saying 1.15 performance sucks
twin lagoon
no it's because you were fucking annoying with it
mentioning 1.15 performance every time
void void
starts mentioning 1.8 performance
unborn sigil
1.12.2 forever
pulsar wigeon
is this dude baiting a ban
twin lagoon
hopefully
worn ember
No one:
My dad: playing trance at 4:20pm for the entire neighborhood
twin lagoon
your dads a chad
void void
trance?
worn ember
yup
void void
whats trance?
left swift
On the balcony?
worn ember
google it
twin lagoon
.g trance music
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worn ember
no, the outhouse
astral cipher
this convo evolved quickly