i've had no problems save for a bit of buffering when first exiting the atmosphere, then after that all is fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯
#general
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
seed based feature search is for finding the feature location, not for coloring the map
previously the sepia filter also loaded all chunks, aikar added seed biome stuff there too (without config option so always on)
what we are seeing now is that the process of scaling and drawing the map is slow af
limber knotBOT
they are pretty much fixed in paper now tbh
instead of (potentially) loading like 10k chunks like in vanilla, lmao
viral mulch
Then why is he still having problems?
limber knotBOT
they load one chunk (the target one) and be done with it
raven grotto
I didn't tried another villager but it is relate to only the cartographer? if i remove this profession i "fix" my problem?
limber knotBOT
because as I said: the drawing of the map is apparently slightly inefficient as well
out of curiosity, what kind of CPU are you running this on?
viral mulch
@raven grotto You don't need to remove the profession to fix the lag. Just set disableTreasureMaps in your config.
The Paper config specifically
All other aspects of merchant villagers and trading will work correctly
Just not treasure maps
limber knotBOT
seeing as timingcost is also high-ish I assume that this is really only an issue on slow CPUs ¯_(ツ)_/¯
viral mulch
Oh sure blame the CPU :p
raven grotto
old cpu. q6600. but initially my question was. Why my server isn't lagging at all with 7-8 players building, flying, etc... but it lag like this just with one player trading?
viral mulch
Yes. At least for now, villager treasure maps are extremly laggy
raven grotto
treasure maps it's like the last trade of the villager? right? when it gives me a map
limber knotBOT
well your CPU is just not good enough to handle that specific detail of the code ¯_(ツ)_/¯
raven grotto
a map for the mansion for example. it's what your talking about?
limber knotBOT
different stuff puts different types of stress on CPUs and maybe yours just can't handle this "image scaling" well
yeah
raven grotto
sad lol... i discovered that today. i wanted to explore it with my daughter lol.
limber knotBOT
tbh it could as well be that getting the biome from the seed instead of the chunk might actually be slower, lol this is a pretty new change
we gonna have to wait and see if others turn up with similar issues
viral mulch
The GenLayer seems to recursively generate biome information
raven grotto
and phoenix, what is the line that is missing in my paper.yml? i will add it.
limber knotBOT
world-settings.default.seed-based-feature-search
viral mulch
@raven grotto enable-treasure-maps controls whether villagers use treasure maps
limber knotBOT
imo it isn't really worth disabling as people wont always trade with them but that's just my opinion ¯_(ツ)_/¯
raven grotto
phoenix. i have it. it's set to true
limber knotBOT
very strange that it doesn't show in timings then, lol
raven grotto
couple lines of paper.yml
light-queue-size: 20
auto-save-interval: -1
armor-stands-do-collision-entity-lookups: true
seed-based-feature-search: true
non-player-arrow-despawn-rate: 60
creative-arrow-despawn-rate: 60
nether-ceiling-void-damage-height: 0
Here's what the wiki has to say about maps: https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Explorer_Map
These are special maps made by villagers to find buried treasure.
They take up tons of CPU time appaently.
raven grotto
i have another question. about pre loading chunk. I didn't do it because my world is too big. 50k radius. You probably wondering why sooooo big for less thant 10 players lol. Juste because i want them to rtp and explore.
limber knotBOT
well in vanilla they load all the chunks that they display just to add the sepia preview xD
viral mulch
Yes, admitedly we've already made improvement
limber knotBOT
could just pre-gen the spawn area or something
raven grotto
i have players located almost everywhere. i'm at -14000 -33000. another at 0 0, etc
limber knotBOT
ideally we would just find a way to add that item info "async" :S
viral mulch
Yeah so it'd waste a lot of space to pre-generate
limber knotBOT
well for your issue pre-gening wont help you anyways
viral mulch
@raven grotto The next build (347) improves chunk loading speed somewhat
raven grotto
honestly i'm surprise and my server is running well. no lag and no tps drop. Except today with villager trades :/
viral mulch
Really the only thing that can prevent your lag is preventing the vilagers from trading treasure maps.
At least for now
@raven grotto Eventually we'll work on fixing the underlying performance issues.
limber knotBOT
I wonder if the biome type generation isn't basically just world gen without some extra steps... so it wouldn't be too much of a surprise that it ends up being equally slow
raven grotto
That's sad... i just discovered treasure map today and wanted to explore it with my daughter. I just have time to dream about it lol
viral mulch
Aww. That's so sweet 🙂
raven grotto
i made this server for her. And 2-3 friends and their child to.
limber knotBOT
just warn your players that the server will lag a bit and get some
exploring them isn't really an issue
viral mulch
So really you have two options for dealing with the treasure map lag:
fallen oracle
Isn't there a command or something to tell you where a treasure map is?
raven grotto
yes barty. but like i said i want my player to have space to explore 🙂
viral mulch
You could either disable it (maybe just spawning in replacements) or just tell your players to deal with the lag until we get around to fixing it
limber knotBOT
might want to open an issue on github with the timings, that spark sample and a short explanation about what's going on
raven grotto
how a treasure map is "generated"? i mean i can just give myself a map for free to players? i don't know if it's clear lol
limber knotBOT
you would run into the same issues if you use a manual map as it would still need to generate the info somehow
viral mulch
Looks like the real problem is just rendering......
We could still make color maps just disable the weird filter
raven grotto
phoenix i can do more test if needed. but i speak french so please don't ask me to report it with explanation ^^
limber knotBOT
yeah, that's what I thought about too, just disable the sepia filter hint and only draw a preview of the loaded chunks (if there are any) in that area
viral mulch
It seems like this is all done to populate the WorldMap.colors array
limber knotBOT
your explanation here (trading with cartograpther) was good enough ;)
yeah, it's just for drawing the sepia preview
disabling that is of course a gameplay change but a tradeoff that is okay-ish imo
raven grotto
i mean i don't want to do it again lol
limber knotBOT
just copy what you wrote ;D
viral mulch
@raven grotto Just post an issue saying you have villager lag with a link to your spark report and mention we had a discussion here.
I could probably write up a fix pretty quickly.
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
mainly just so that it's not forgotten tbh
raven grotto
can you give me the link to post the issue please?
raven grotto
I hope it's not too complicated... i never dit that.
limber knotBOT
just put "see timings" in the config and plugin list parts, lol
viral mulch
Just mention we had a discussion on discord.
@raven grotto We just don't want to forget about the issue
raven grotto
ok. i don't have to answer the 250 questions? 😄
viral mulch
Nope. You've already given us more than enough info 🙂
raven grotto
Looks correct? https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3536
viral mulch
Perfect. Just wait for us to fix it 🙂
polar sonnet
paperspigot
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polar sonnet
.g paperspigot
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polar sonnet
raven grotto
I didn't tried, but since we talk about maps since the beginning, it's only relate to that specific villager?
polar sonnet
its on windows 10 4head
peak dirge
Yeah, running a server on Windows 10 is a meme
viral mulch
@raven grotto Um it just has to do with trading maps.
peak dirge
in fact, Windows and servers is just a meme in general
viral mulch
Not sure exactly what type of villager does the treasure maps
waxen panther
in fact, Windows is just a meme in general
raven grotto
it's the cartographer
viral mulch
Yup
You can disable treasure maps in your paper config as a temporary fix or wait for us to resolve your issue (you should get an email whenever someone posts a comment)
raven grotto
Alright. Thank you very much to take time to correctly help me. i really appreciate it
viral mulch
You're welcome 🙂
civic zinc
lament patio
Broke my record on Google Captcha today, had to solve 29 in one go for it to let me in
potent fossil
Just stop being a bot ez
drifting tartan
cosmic raft
lament patio
Oh, yeah, and IBM is getting out of facial recognition business
Unfortunately, someone will do it
void void
whats a good plugin that doesnt allow people to join the server manually but allows them to go thru the bungeecord?
ok
tired heath
Hmm imaging programming such a plugin (doing that bungee thing) and selling it as premium.
Of course I need some name for it, what about BetterFirewall so people would actually understand is better :D
Maybe just enabling the ufw in the background
I bet somebody did this already
void void
ihow do i join a subnet server like it tryed to put my ipv4:port it wont work...
tired heath
did you just install a firewall
void void
yes
tired heath
did it work before?
void void
yeah
tired heath
If you wanna connect to that port, you prob. have to allow it in the firwall first, since default is "deny"
normally
void void
oh k
tired heath
I guess waterfall/bungee is on a diffrent machine?
And you wanna connect it to your server but deny direct access to that server?
void void
hold up, in waterfall/bungee you dont have to port all the server yeah?
agile nest
tired heath
Waterfall (as well as bungee) has a config and in it you define each servers IP and port, each server on the same machine needs a diffrent port.
golden gust
It's a proxy
All connections go through said proxy, so, no need to port forward of they're already able to access that stuff
Not to mention the security risks of port forwarding the backend instancrs
void void
i port foward all of them...
tired heath
Well how does your network look like
void void
im gonna delete them . for security measures
void void
the servers are in a folder
tired heath
is all on the same machine?
void void
yes
tired heath
all using the same network interface and ip
void void
yes except ports i changed them
tired heath
So
- The firewall on that machine does not need any port forwarding.
- just allow the port 25565 (wan to machine) to access your waterfall.
- dont block your ssh and stuff if you need it.
- all other ports to paper servers can be blocked.
- just allow local networking
- set your servers to listen on the local network and put them in the waterfall config with localhost and the port of each server
should be fine than
so people from outside could connect to the waterfall proxy port only
tired heath
You're welcome
fallen oracle
I wish
still cape
anyone know what is causing this? i updated paper spigot today and it's happening when i do //set in worldedit (which is latest version) https://pastebin.com/x6S48FvC
potent fossil
you should probably just go to the enginehub discord and ask there if its happening when you use WE
come here if they tell you its not a WE issue
vagrant niche
@static badge ayyy wuz gud
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u arnt
waxen panther
Yuck
vagrant niche
u wan fuk?
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ye les go
vagrant niche
ayyy lmao
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waxen panther
@still cape
vagrant niche
1) Don't grab logs outta multicrap
I wish macbook pro was not so expensive ._.
cosmic raft
huh?
void void
.g urban dictionary gfdi
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cosmic raft
I know what that means, I just don't know what @golden gust is trying to say
waxen panther
swear word 😠
void void
i think he's talking about macos looking so nice, lurring them in
like an unsuspecting prey
golden gust
Yea, that ^
void void
then macos ate you
golden gust
I tried hackintosh yeeeaaars ago, but, no wireless support, so, that was a complete nogo
Then, I tried it a goood while ago on a newer machine and it worked
cosmic raft
well I currently have an SSD and GPU in my newegg cart
golden gust
Ended up running that for a good year or two
cosmic raft
and with those, I can do hackintosh :P
golden gust
and then I ended up upgrading to a real mac
cosmic raft
what mac?
golden gust
iMac 2015
cosmic raft
no macbook? :P
golden gust
I was doing stuff for some guy who owned a casino, so, ended up getting it paid for me, and figured I'd go for the iMac
I did kinda consider going for the entire dock based setup, but, not fond of desktops for day to day use
void void
thinkpads are nice
void void
call them up and nag a lot
cosmic raft
fuck numpads
void void
numpads essential for me
unreal quarry
tech guy probably spilled energy drink all over it and fried it all. easier to just say they lost it than to explain that
golden gust
numpads are one of those weird things
I can cope without one, but, as soon as I'm doing anything which involves more than like, 3 numbers, I want a pad
slender jay
what the fuck is going on in #paper-help, i truly hope its a troll
slender jay
i cant
golden gust
tbf, windows uses javaw by default, so if you double click a jar, it will run without a console
That's part of what actually having the GUI fixes
stuck flax
cosmic raft
I like my keyboard :P
cosmic raft
golden gust
I was just... I thought...
NCIS was one of the few shows my father hijacked the tv for that was actually good
cosmic raft
cannot see the keys
golden gust
I kept debating on getting a rgb/mechanical keyboard, but, if you want proper support for macOS, it gets a bit icky...
am always worried about losing my media keys and stuff :/
waxen panther
k70? :P
I have the k70 gen 2 and a anne pro 2
hopefully going to build my own soon, doing it after i get some pc upgrades
probably first, not much changed anyway
golden gust
I love my 2011 mbps keyboard, so nice to work on
cosmic raft
what laptop
golden gust
I find that the apple standalone keyboards are okay, got the magic one with the numpad a little good while ago as I busted the wired one..
I kinda wish they still did the wired one, that was much nicer; especially as windows keeps having oddball stupid issues here and there so I often have to plug it on when jumping over
the 2 extra USB ports where also nice
cosmic raft
$656.78 for a new GPU and another SSD.... hrm
potent fossil
so, i've said the same thing yesterday but since we're on the topic again... i love macos, it's super fucking awesome and intuitive and just a delight to use truly. but, my 2019 15" mbp which i paid $2300 for about a year ago already has an expanding battery which has expanded out the bottom plate, the trackpad no longer clicks properly, and the lid doesn't close anymore
and I don't even really use it as a laptop, it's connected directly to a dock which is connected to my 3 monitors almost 24/7
i guess keeping it plugged in all the same did a number. idk.
pretty sad, though. not sure what I'll get for it if I sell it -- but my eyes are kind of set on selling it and buying a new system76 Adder WS (https://sxcu.net/mMdLbN.png)
potent fossil
i don't believe it is
the older one was
wait a minute no
it's a 2018 15" mbp
not 19
waxen panther
mines a 2017 15"
potent fossil
the 2015 15" is recalled but clearly the problem still exists
so... yea, rip
i can pay to have it replaced and the chassis fixed but what's the fuckin point
potent fossil
yes but i dont have applecare
golden gust
I did some quick search and apparently there are cases where apple is replacing batteries for free
Even out of warrenty
waxen panther
neither did i but i split coffee on my ports and got them to replace it for free 
potent fossil
i messaged rossmann and showed him a pic and he said "looks fine lol"
golden gust
pmsl lol
potent fossil
hold on let me get some pics of this, you'll see how not fine it is
golden gust
I mean
he is a sarcastic cunt, so, ya know
;P
But, yea, I would defo consider taking that into apple if you can, would be out of a machine for a few days though, so, rip
That is my biggest annoyance with the "mek it thin!" era
potent fossil
golden gust
Stuff like batteries are now flatpacked in there instead of being in their own cases and stuff
mfw
tired heath
cute
waxen panther
batteries aren't tooo annoying to replace on the 2018's, take it to apple and if you can't get them to do it for free just do it yourself
potent fossil
pretty bad yeah? :D
waxen panther
cosmic raft
@potent fossil I approve of the Dr. Pepper
potent fossil
ty
golden gust
Yea, they're ez to replace, just, not as easy as they used to be
waxen panther
i have a crate of 48 cans 
golden gust
sold in all the shops here
cosmic raft
what country?
golden gust
Not really a fan of dr pepper though
potent fossil
idek man, im pretty sure apple store isnt taking walk ins and it's an hour's drive away and even if they were im pretty sure they will tell me "$500 :)"
which i dont currently have
tired heath
Austria
cosmic raft
rip
tired heath
without l
waxen panther
the battery will be about ~$150 to buy genuine
or well, as genuine as you can get
they have annoying screws though so you might have to pick up some cheap bits for the bottom case
sometimes the battery replacement kits include them but it depends
golden gust
they are apparently doing battery stuff outside of warranty
potent fossil
well im trying to open a chat with them
golden gust
Because expanding batteries are defo not a good thing, lol
polar sonnet
should i buy a tesla rn
abstract sleet
potent fossil
well it wont be free
and they are telling me to go to a local shop that is "apple certified"
not even the apple store
🤔
cunning raft
apple and right to repair
polar sonnet
my iphone battery will be at 50% then die
so thats fun
then it will restart and be at 1-10%
then repeats
golden gust
how long have you had it?
golden gust
2014
polar sonnet
pretty old though
golden gust
So, if it's never had a battery replacement, I'd pretty much expect that, lol
cunning raft
what even was the iphone 6's maH?
golden gust
~2-3 years is generally where the average battery is rated
cunning raft
sub 2k?
golden gust
generally at like 500 and 1k cycles, beyond that you generally wanna just replace it, even if it isn't having issues that you can tell
1810 mAh according to gsmarena
cunning raft
can't wait for apple to invent bigger batteries 
golden gust
I mean, we're waiting for a breakthrough in general
heady spear
Ok wtf is wrong with people. It’s 5am, the semester has ended and yet the gym is crowded
This is supposed to be me time
Not me and half of uni time
golden gust
just pass some corona around
jagged egret
How can I do this in MySQL: query a table with a name and get an ID, then insert into a row using said ID and a few more values
heady spear
I didn’t even wanna go today. Woke up in the worst pain ever so I’m on a bunch of different pain killers
I feel like I’m about to pass out lol
Oh well
vagrant niche
And this has been city's gym flex, come back tomorrow for more!
waxen panther
is it city gym check in time already?
vagrant niche
its almost over, broccolai
heady spear
Bruh the guys that are here are so annoying D:
They make sounds and talk and shit
Ima cough on them
static badge
go to the gym at 3 am
restive crag
I'm hungry
waxen panther
eat
restive crag
okay!
waxen panther
you're welcome
heady spear
It opens at 5 😦
static badge
break in at 3 am
heady spear
Bruh what self respecting person squats in a smith machine smh
potent fossil
.g smith machine
heady spear
Other people shouldn’t be allowed to leave their homes
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jagged egret
how can I 'insert' into a joined mysql table
potent fossil
you what m8
jagged egret
like I have a table Entry (name, id) and another table Blocks (x, y, z, entryId), how can I insert an entry into blocks using (x, y, z, name)
potent fossil
subqueries are the devil's plaything
waxen panther
I do not disagree
jagged egret
like this?
INSERT INTO cooldowns (player, x, y, z, dungeon, cooldown) VALUES (
(SELECT id FROM users WHERE mostSig=<most sig> AND leastSig=<least sig>),
x,
y,
z,
(SELECT id FROM dungeons WHERE dungeonName=<dungeon name>),
cooldown
)
oh jesus
heady spear
I mean
potent fossil
you mean what alexander
heady spear
Stop doxxing me
pulsar wigeon
alexander more like ålexånder
golden gust
For me, in cases where I have a name, I generally have the ID anyways
potent fossil
how do you pronounce Sauilitired
heady spear
Also it’s Aleksandr
potent fossil
lol sand
pulsar wigeon
åleksåndr
heady spear
But I had a teacher in the third grade that refused to spell my name correctly
She told me I was lying about the spelling
potent fossil
.wa pronunciation of Sauilitired
heady spear
And that no real person spells it like that 😦
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results.
potent fossil
how pronounce city
heady spear
Like it’s spelled
potent fossil
it's spelled like fucking nonsense
heady spear
But with a Norwegian accent
potent fossil
Sa-oo-ee-lee-tired?
celest coyote
haha nords and their funny spellings
heady spear
Norwegians do not talk like that
heady spear
Learn Norwegian
potent fossil
no
heady spear
It’s not very hard
celest coyote
just learn a new language 4head
heady spear
I had to learn Norwegian in primary school
potent fossil
listen i may be ancestrally norwegian on the paternal side but no
waxen panther
I know a fair amount of bokmål, fuck learning new norwegian though
potent fossil
fucking sound it out for me
waxen panther
my tutor only taught me old and im not learning a language by myself
potent fossil
what
potent fossil
sa-you-eel-tired according to city
potent fossil
what.
potent fossil
you said hard u
heady spear
Yes but Swedish u
potent fossil
what the fuck is swedish u
heady spear
Like u-båt
potent fossil
excuse me
waxen panther
smh advertising on my github feed
heady spear
Or undervattensvattenmelonsodlingföreningsordförandeval
heady spear
Where is the w coming from
potent fossil
im sounding it out
heady spear
U like underbar
potent fossil
ui sounds like we
heady spear
No
potent fossil
wut
potent fossil
pronounce this shit for me daddy https://vocaroo.com/
heady spear
I’m at the gym
potent fossil
idc
heady spear
But I feel like I have a fever
potent fossil
idc
heady spear
I don’t wanna be here
potent fossil
idc
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you already have corona
heady spear
No I don’t
My gastrointestinal tract is inflamed so I get fever
But I no has corona
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CORONAVIRUS
heady spear
But it’s inflamed as I ate half a slice of bread two days ago
So like I guess I deserve it
static badge
heady spear
I should have known tbh
Although once I got inflamed by drinking cold water
So it’s kinda hard to predict lol
static badge
wat
heady spear
Ye I’m supposed to drink room temperature water
cosmic raft
ew
heady spear
Ye well
cosmic raft
cold water or no water
heady spear
Either that or I am bedridden for two days
Although most of the time it’s fine
At least you can recover from corona 🙂
golden gust
it's really all down to how your body reacts to it
cunning raft
older people generally are the ones who die
as they have a more compromised immune system
heady spear
Well idk, at least you feel better after a while
cunning raft
but the science behind it is stil a bit idunnknow
heady spear
You can end up with scar tissue in your lungs which probably isn’t ideal
unreal quarry
i thought they disproved the old-people-only thing? like, people of all ages were killing over from it, even children in single digits
chrome fulcrum
Correlation vs. causation thing
unreal quarry
pretty much it turns your immune system against you, so rather than worrying about a compromised immune system, its the healthy ones that have to worry the most
cunning raft
what chicken said
no, a healthy one is still better
kurtz did a video on this which was really good
heady spear
I mean most elders have prior disease. The people that die here are in the 60s in most cases, with multiple prior conditions
cunning raft
had a lot of good studies in description
heady spear
Most of them have heart conditions, diabetes etc
cunning raft
chrome fulcrum
Age is like a correlation on the likeliness on how immunocompromised you are. Which is then a correlation on death from Covid.
Correlation analysis can be helpful. But age just isn't going to provide enough useful data; from what I understand.
cunning raft
^^
heady spear
Those are the people that would suffer the most from a normal influenza virus too
heady spear
If you’re immunocomprised most infections can hit you hard
cunning raft
which varies widely from my research but generally ends up in your lungs getting compromised
heady spear
My mom was told not to leave her apartment until the fall unless she really had to
Has***
And her doctors come to her for checkups and shit rn
Which is super rare here
But she has diabetes and several heart conditions
chrome fulcrum
I put in those 2 cents. Those that KNOW they are at risk. ought to know by now, based on their own medical history.
Everyone else probably should avoid getting it if possible - but most people aren't choosing to get it. Lots of people don't have the choice to stay cooped up
unreal quarry
that video pretty much misses a few points @cunning raft. here's a better explaination from a doctor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0d59dd-qM
your own immune system kills you :3
cunning raft
yeah saw that video too, good video
unreal quarry
not lack of one
heady spear
Elders here make up a very large position of Covid related deaths because almost every nursing home in the country had undiagnosed cases that spread like crazy
Then the staff were told to work despite being sick
Because the homes are severely underfunded
They were also told by management to lie about it and cover up known cases, so a shit tonne of elders died
unreal quarry
i think a lot of countries lied about it
cunning raft
🇨🇳
heady spear
The reason why our nursing homes are doing poorly is because our right wing privatized most of it when they were in charge 🙂
unreal quarry
and i think USA is lieing, too, just over-stating the actual numbers to spread fear
but thats just me 😛
cunning raft
well everything fucking counts as a covid death
heady spear
So capitalism is at fault here lol
cunning raft
you get run over by a bus, you test positive for covid, covid death
unreal quarry
lol
heady spear
Privatization also ruined our healthcare system so like thx
cunning raft
hospitals get paid per covid death
heady spear
Love those American ideas ruining our country
cunning raft
(or patient rather)
which i mean isn't a bad thing
because hospitals were losing biz
but we shouldn't count them as real stats
unreal quarry
reminds me of this guy they said died of a heart attack after being strangled by a knee
runs away
cunning raft
heady spear
Are y’all still protesting btw
I think we decided racism was over because Sweden stopped protesting the other day
chrome fulcrum
It is still taking place in places.
cunning raft
Yes
heady spear
The leader of our moderate party called BLM (in Sweden specifically) nonsense and told people to stop being childish
I dunno whether that was a smart move
static badge
ah yes
heady spear
He’ll probably get more votes tbf
cunning raft
the CEO of crossfit did that and now he resigned
or however the fuck you spell that
heady spear
Swedes is good at being closet racists
static badge
let's protest events happening in other countries
heady spear
Are*** wtf
My brain tired
Well yeah that was kinda his point
Then they robbed a moving truck
And people got kinda upset
(They being the protesters)
cunning raft
I don't have a problem with BLM, just with the brain-dead solutions by people I follow from HS who think abolishing the police will solve the problem
chrome fulcrum
I support the purpose of BLM, but a true shame that whoever came up with the phrase; failed to come up with something better...
heady spear
Swedish antifa got involved and that’s a great way to kill a legitimate movement
static badge
fuk da police
cunning raft
Canadian
unreal quarry
i think i missed the memo where rioting and violence is now considered protesting, tbh
static badge
ur country retarded tbh
potent fossil
@unreal quarry the future is now old man
cunning raft
I don't think BLM supports that but a lot of people who support BLM are just coming up with excuses for it
potent fossil
cunning raft
like Trevor Noah said some dumbass stuff about social contracts
and everyone ever agreed for some reason
chrome fulcrum
Same with the recent "Defund the Police". That implies total defunding, just asking for your platform to be misinterpreted.
cunning raft
Same with the recent "Defund the Police". That implies total defunding, just asking for your platform to be misinterpreted.
@chrome fulcrum
try to say that, you will be blamed for not understanding that they use the word defund wrong
unreal quarry
back in my day, people just stood around and held signs. sometimes they'd be chanting stuff, but mostly just waving signs around.
waxen panther
cunning raft
nowadays people wave around change.org petitions like they're legally binding!
get with the times billy
potent fossil
they are legally binding, retard
chrome fulcrum
The protesters need to hire a PR manager to get on the same page. Is frustrating to watch
static badge
see
heady spear
Before you can join the force as a trainee
potent fossil
im starting a change.org petition against @cunning raft petitioning for his imprisonment and court bypass
near crown
potent fossil
yes
chrome fulcrum
that has a lot of signatures...
cunning raft
change.org is such a scamaze website too
heady spear
Lol police academy training is 21 weeks apparently
cunning raft
they fuck with the signed number
heady spear
And y’all wonder why your cops suck
cunning raft
when it's not actually moving
they just have some js to increment the number every so often
heady spear
The US feels like a giant prank
cunning raft
Lol police academy training is 21 weeks apparently
out of context in most cases
you see in amurica the cops are run by states
so there's different laws fucking everywhere
chrome fulcrum
^ so hard to draw generalizations about the country as a whole
heady spear
“On average” “a generalization” no shit my dude
unreal quarry
most places will waive the degree for military experience
cunning raft
that as well
heady spear
It’s 130 weeks here :]
cunning raft
people saying "it takes more to become a hair stylist than a cop" are just stupid tho
potent fossil
neat smelt
X
potent fossil
cop basic training is like 6 months long and quite intense afaik
cunning raft
it takes 4 years to get a bachelors in plant sex but only 21 weeks to be a cop!
unreal quarry
its hard to become a cop, tbh. i tried once (half my family is cops) but i didnt fit the requirements (no degree or military)
chrome fulcrum
At the end of the day. Since most cops are run by their CITY. You can get a wide variety in cop quality a mere 10 miles apart. Focusing on the time it takes to complete training; is inconsequential to the culture of the area.
cunning raft
Unacceptable, all cops are bad, how dare you understand the us justice system
chrome fulcrum
Sorry to hear that.
heady spear
Have y’all seen audit the audit?
waxen panther
Social Experiment 
cunning raft
that yt channel just seems like that guy who won't stop at the fruit checkpoints and keeps saying "Am i detained"
stark parcel
heady spear
Nah the channel is great. It’s a commentary channel with a more than decent level of research
unreal quarry
donut operator is better
cunning raft
it's really not a smart idea to argue with the police
just shutup unless it's urgent
heady spear
Some notable highlights was when an officer tried to illegally detain a lawyer who ended up suing the police
That was funny
cunning raft
if they arrest you get a lawyer
heady spear
I mean that alone shows how fucked up the situation is lmao
cunning raft
talking to the cops unless it's a traffic stop is never a good idea
heady spear
You shouldn’t be detained without a really good reason
cops are gonna exist
heady spear
We actually trust the police here. They hang out down town and they’re super chill
I’ve been driven home by them a couple of times
They did throw away my alcohol in high school tho. Bastards
Although if you live in Södertälje they will chase after you on bikes with automatic firearms
unreal quarry
the problem with things like audit the audit, is they are teaching kids to do the wrong things. you dont argue with police. point blank. there is nothing you can say or do to make them stop an arrest, its not in their job description. they are not a judge, they are not a jury, they are not an executioner... they are police. they keep the peace by detaining anything that they were taught doesnt fit, then they let the other people handle processing that (judge, jury, executioner, etc)
cunning raft
What Billy said
heady spear
They can’t just arrest you for anything
cunning raft
And city, you do that after they do it
heady spear
Even I know that
unreal quarry
but thats not for you to judge
cunning raft
There's nothing you can say to an officer that would change their mind if their motivated
They're*
cunning raft
You do all the suing and stuff after the arrest, anything you say to a cop will be used against you in your arrest
cunning raft
Any resistance as well
heady spear
Dunno why y’all alright with it tbh
cunning raft
I mean of course everyone would prefer not happening
But it does happen
And arguing with a cop is never the correct solution
heady spear
But the cops shouldn’t have that amount of power
unreal quarry
they dont...
they only have the power to detain
the decisions are made by higher ups
not by them
heady spear
Then you have qualified immunity which means they end up with no repercussions
unreal quarry
no, they have repercussions
cunning raft
It's not entirely that simple
unreal quarry
you think a cop that have 100 arrests dropped per week is going to remain a cop long?
lol
cunning raft
Plus qualified immunity is probably on its way out anyway
I think SCOUS has a pending case on it and Congress is passing something for it
heady spear
I know it’s not that simple but it’s a (big) contributor to the problems y’all have
cunning raft
Eh
unreal quarry
not really
cunning raft
There's a really good amount case/federal law around a lot of edge cases which invalidates qualified immunity
unreal quarry
the system isnt perfect because we're all human. people make mistakes, even cops. those mistakes get resolved in the end. but people that resist during the confrontation just make things way worse
heady spear
Anyway ima finish off my sets before people think I’m crazy
heady spear
Also fearing the cops to the point where you can’t protect your legal rights during illegal arrests is kinda yikes
Remind me to stay in Scandinavia
cunning raft
You protect your legal rights after
US has strong self-incrimination protections
with muh 5th amendment
Not as strong as it was is decades past
But still very powerful if used correctly
timber heron
unreal quarry
when i was 16 I was walking home from school with a friend. as soon as we started to cross the street right outside the school we were surrounded by about 20 cops screaming at us to get on the ground and shut up. guns drawn and everything. we both just sat down in amazement. we didnt even know what was going on. turned out there was info that a gang was coming back onto school grounds to start a planned fight. we just happened to be crossing at the same spot at the same time as them. Imagine if I would have gotten all huffy puffy and screaming something dumb like "i didnt do shit!" and resisting them...
smh
just let them do their damn job. it'll all get sorted in the end
pulsar wigeon
holy fuck
how about when two cops scream contradictory instructions at you and then kill you when you try complying with both?
"just let them do their damn job" are you fucking kidding me
fuck off billy
unreal quarry
Ok, so fight them. See how far that'll get you
pulsar wigeon
your attitude is fucking disgusting
unreal quarry
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
pulsar wigeon
seriously, fuck you
heady spear
When I agree with wiz things must be bad D:
unreal quarry
So what would you have done in my situation?
pulsar wigeon
no one gives a shit about your situation
the fact that you're saying bullshit like "just let them do their damn job" as if that fucking solves everything
when that has literally gotten people murdered here
that's fucking disgusting
unreal quarry
I think you missed the entire point
pulsar wigeon
no i fucking didn't
shut the fuck up with your bullshit
innocent people get murdered for "letting the cops do their jobs"
fuck off
unreal quarry
No, innocent people get murdered by resisting... That's my entire point you seemed to have missed
heady spear
(Which is the entire fucking problem here)
mental meadow
That's just wrong, Breonna Taylor was asleep for example when she got killed by cops a few weeks ago
pulsar wigeon
i mean, that is a problem yes
but that's not the point
yea, that is the point
also can't remember the name but the dude who was told by one cop to stay put and the other cop to crawl toward them
and got murdered like that
still cape
- Don't grab logs outta multicrap - why not?
heady spear
The solution is not to resist, the solution is to stop having the police kill people all willy nilly
pulsar wigeon
multicrap cuts out lines
cunning raft
Floyd didn't resist afaik
heady spear
This dude got shot in front of his daughter for informing a cop that he had a gun, and then doing nothing else :))
pulsar wigeon
yea literally countless cases of people doing absolutely nothing wrong and getting murdered
heady spear
The cop felt threatened and shot him. He was fired at least...
pulsar wigeon
not gonna stand for billy's bullshit anymore
cunning raft
I don't think anyone agrees that the current system is ok
teal fossil
cunning raft
But Billy has a point where the best bet is to follow their directions. Of course there is edge cases
mental meadow
And that's the next thing, when cops kill someone they just get fired, no trial no prison just fired & nice pension
still cape
(and i do have the latest varlight VarLight-1.11.2-MC-1.15.x.jar)
cunning raft
I'm not saying it's peoples fault
But you certainly should listen to the cops if you can
mental meadow
Yeah but that's not the issues
cunning raft
There's cops who don't care if you listen to them, and fire then or whatever the hell
pulsar wigeon
you can listen to the cops and still get murdered
still cape
i know multiverse cuts out lines but i can see it easily on the console through the browser while the files i have to download with filezilla and deal with the zip plugin
plus that's what my host provides
pulsar wigeon
multiverse is unrelated...
cunning raft
It's multicraft not multiverse
heady spear
Honestly if you have to fear the cops then your entire system is fucked up
chrome fulcrum
As a policy and system level issue. You are right that it shouldn't be necessary. And is an indication of real issues with police.
But when you give advice to kids on how not to get killed. Yes. Tell them not to resist.
pulsar wigeon
but like if your host doesn't provide proper log viewer that's kinda shitty too lmao
heady spear
Even when I’ve been in the wrong I’ve never had to fear the cops
mental meadow
I fear cops even in Europe 🙃
cunning raft
Agree with chicken
waxen panther
who needs full errors anyway? totally overrated
heady spear
Because I know they’re there to protect me. That’s a huge privilege
waxen panther
still cape
it's hosthorde, i've used them for six years, they are decent, i have a good amount of ram, good price, and they provide chat tech support, which, not being a dev, i sometimes rely on and appreciate
heady spear
Right. Europe also has a shit tonne of problems
still cape
they are not perfect but it is sufficient for my everyday needs
heady spear
I’m lucky enough to live in a country that has a well functioning police force
mental meadow
Like as a part of a minority even in Germany & Austria I fear cops
cunning raft
I mean I'm not fond of standing next to anyone with a gun tbh
waxen panther
My country is pretty shitty but our police are pretty friendly for the most part, I don't think anyone I know has ever had a bad alteration with them
heady spear
So make the cops less gun horny and boom
cunning raft
The US needs a total restructure of its police system which is exactly what it won't get because Congress is slow and it's not even a federal service because muh states rights
void void
are there any plugins that let me put music disks into jukeboxes with a hopper?
mental meadow
Way to assume conservatives even want that lol
pulsar wigeon
congress being slow unfortunately will happen regardless of how many people are on board
they'll still argue about details, ear marking, etc for ages
chrome fulcrum
Everyone in politics will agree that the criminal justice system needs reform. None of them will be able to agree how
cunning raft
Yeah
And if they do somehow
One party will stick something in the bill
That the other hates
chrome fulcrum
The number one problem of two party politics. Is focusing on the highly divisive issues. Instead of the parts everyone can agree on
heady spear
More parties doesn’t eliminate that
cunning raft
Why can't everyone agree 🌈☀️
heady spear
Source: all of Europe
chrome fulcrum
Well. Not saying more parties are better. Just saying, it enhances the us vs. them mentality
I will amend my statement. Biggest problem in politics...
Nothing to do with parties whatsoever.
heady spear
We have 8 parties in the government rn and we’ve been in a political stalemate for 6 years because of the us vs them mentality
I think the problem is they the elected people never really reflect the opinion of the masses
They don’t represent the people. They represent themselves, they just so happen (sometimes lol) to be elected by the people
Politicians all suck.
chrome fulcrum
Yeah... I try not to get too caught up in politics. I find it frustrating at all levels. Local, state, and national.
waxen panther
heady spear
Even here where we have a hell of a lot more than 2 parties, they end up forming collectives after being elected to circumvent the election results
This time we ended up with a minority government because three separate groups formed
So the people in charge can’t get majority votes on anything
Sooooo political stalemate
The alt-right is big enough to cause issues without even forming alliances
Which is scary
chrome fulcrum
The problem with lobbyists. Is that there are some good lobbyists mixed in with the big money scum lobbyists. So since there is some good. It is hard to get rid of completely
heady spear
Annnnnnd people are willing to work together with the alt right now just to get a majority alliance
The Swedish Democrats started out as neonazis
And now they’re our second biggest party 😄
So like... more parties does not equal more better. Better parties with less idiots would be an improvement tho
Also less nazis
Less nazis would be cool
waxen panther
chrome fulcrum
Full retract on the two party comment from earlier. Thank you for the enlightenment. Redirect my thoughts towards parties in general
But they aren't going anywhere
heady spear
Yeah, at the end of the day you end up with tribalism and people disagree just for the sake of disagreeing
chrome fulcrum
Just need to not gridlock things
cunning raft
A big problem with 2 party system is blind party loyalty
People don't vote on the issues they vote on how thier party votes
barty it's not that simple
plus there's good lobbying
The ACLU lobbys for example
Google does
For (mostly) good things
left swift
Just run an anarchy government
Survival of the fittest
If u vote me for supreme president ruler I will give everyone hacked clients and return zero ticking irl
chrome fulcrum
The ACLU is both a good and bad lobby. They definitely push their beliefs about the world way harder than the common good sometimes...
sturdy elm
toxic umbra
fallen shadow
upbeat geode
lethal acorn
solid cloud
vernal moth
A political discussion why I was asleep?
Sad
Next time I demand to be pinged!
How you can defend a institution that shoots up Innocents without facing consequences is beyond my understanding
#murica
vagrant niche
NAZI!
pine chasm
vernal moth
Every country has its problems, we have a Nazi problem, you guys have a racial problem. We try to fix it, you shoot em up 🤷
I don't even think Germany has the biggest Nazi problem in Europe
I was called a foreigner once, while attendding a birthday party. In austria. As a german
Dude didn't want to come since there would be foreigners at the party and he hates foreigners
Man, I laughed so hard at him
quasi valley
vernal moth
Such a sad human being
quasi valley
yeah lol aside the bunch of rather super patriotic people, germany is pretty decent
then you look at murica again 👀
vernal moth
Maybe he just feared there wouldn't be enough beer for him once I showed up 😂
Not patriotic, nationalist
quasi valley
nationalism is essentially extreme patriotism
vernal moth
And extreme anything is almost always bad
quasi valley
yup
quasi valley
can't say I'm a true German, literally the only one in my study group who doesn't drink too often 😂
golden gust
yea, defo an imposter there
quasi valley
not that the last few months have allowed to do that anyways, if anything I prefer to at least get drunk with other people 😛
quasi valley
lol
vernal moth
A friend's group didn't give that much shits about corona
And it's over now anyways
We just couldn't hit the bars and had to make our own crappy drinks 😂
Hacker News
Lol
heady spear
europe has a growing nazi problem and it's awful
heady spear
like I'm actually kinda worried because the discourse is becoming so normalized over here that no one even questions it anymore
vernal moth
We kinda try to push them back
vernal moth
We just have a strong left that can fight the dum rights
quasi valley
or rather sane politicians trying to not repeat history
heady spear
it's like how those e-boys on tik tok are reviving emo culture again
(poorly tho)
Yes I just compared e-boys to nazis and no I won't take it back
quasi valley
they are equally as bad, can confirm
worn ember
we have the "cordone sanitaire" that prevents parties to make a majority coalition with far right
in the past few years they've gotten like 30-40% of the votes 
soon they'll just be a majority party on their own
quasi valley
people's lives have a lack of real problems I guess
ocean idol
worn ember
or they think being racist will solve them xD
quasi valley
obv it's all the fault of these ugly immigrants and europe!
worn ember
yeah
they also want to split belgium
theres already nothing left bruh leave us alone
heady spear
isn't belgium just discount france/the netherlands?
worn ember
"discount" if only
heady spear
do u really need ur own country
worn ember
its more expensive than both
heady spear
ye but it's worse
heady spear
yall can't even decide what language to speak
vernal moth
Belgium has like 3 languages, right?
vernal moth
A friend of mine comes from that, she speaks flämisch
worn ember
we yoinked some of germany after WWII
vernal moth
However that's called in English
worn ember
Flemish i think
heady spear
phlegmish would be more fitting tbh
vernal moth
Or is that just your dutch dialect?
worn ember
pretty much yeah
vernal moth
It's always amazing to me how much if the community comes from the Netherlands and Belgium
worn ember
about half is french and the other half is dutch
vernal moth
Considering they are such small countires
heady spear
I love cherries. They're amazing. Just thought you should know
worn ember
then like 1% german
worn ember
got popped by his dad
potent fossil
you underestimate my abilities
heady spear
i dreamt about him last night and it was awful, haven't felt that bad in months
vernal moth
Cherries + alcohol
worn ember
shouldnt talk smack about my country then smh
heady spear
ur country didn't die at least
quasi valley
just remembered the context, sorry 
heady spear
cherish that
worn ember
heady spear
bro so I raised this sheep
she got stuck in a string of some sort
and I found her and rescued her and shit
when I lived in this foster home
then one day after dinner
the foster mom was like "how did she taste?"
and I was like ?? and she was like "ye, that was that sheep you liked"
worn ember
heady spear
that fucked me up
worn ember
my mom got a pig for her 50th birthday
we raised it
and then we also ate it
80kg of meat
heady spear
that's a lot of meat
worn ember
yeah the entire freezer was full with it
my sister didnt like it lol
now shes a vegiterian
lmfao
quasi valley
my father once butchered our rabbits
seeing them in our sink as a 7 year old made me question reality
heady spear
I'm actually more okay with eating animals that I know were ethically farmed
like I'm more okay with butchering your own pigs and eating them than I am with factory farms
quasi valley
food will obv be more expensive, but we live with that
I can't stand supermarket cheap products anymore lol
heady spear
ye but all industrialised farming is horrible in comparison to small scale private owned farms
quasi valley
a few years ago I even had strong allergic reactions to all the chemical stuff in sweets or cheap vegetables even
vernal moth
We buy meet right from the farmer nowadays
Much more expensive, but my parents have the money nowadays
heady spear
when I grew up we had our own pigs, chickens and cows
vernal moth
At home I don't care too much
heady spear
my mom decided to burn down the entire farm tho because she was bored so that kinda failed
vernal moth
But I try to source locally too