general

[upper flicker]

#squirrel-watching-with-glare

[foggy elbow]

The limited edition of ovh server seems cool for the price
https://www.ovh.com/fr/serveurs_dedies/advance/adv-limited-edition/
(As there is no setup fees)

[pulsar wigeon]

that's a chipmunk

have you never heard of it

[blazing nebula]

yeah lmao

[void void]

Minestom?

[supple briar]

@pulsar wigeon

[wide chasm]

Please don't mention notable people.

[supple briar]

now I want all problems resolved 😦

[upper flicker]

never going to happen

you could sit there for a year and do nothing but fix bugs in vanilla

meanwhile, newer versions would come out

when you get into actually improving performance and adding features, you just increase the scope of the issue

if youre going to write code, youre inevitably going to write a few bugs that need to be fixed

and then you add in plugins and what they do and youre just completely screwed

[void void]

inb4

[wide chasm]

Software is never finished

[void void]

"paper bad"

"gonna go back to spagt"

[supple briar]

and then you add in plugins and what they do and youre just completely screwed

[upper flicker]

Only time you'll see it stop is not when it's done, but when we move on to the next version and drop support for that old one

doesnt at all mean it was "done"

[supple briar]

presumably how long is this process?

[upper flicker]

what process

[supple briar]

fixing, updates, etc..

[upper flicker]

... its never ending

[void void]

you can't settle down on a version; especially in modded server software

[upper flicker]

read what I just said

[supple briar]

understand 😦

[supple briar]

1.15.2 has tps issues

😦

[void void]

simply work on your server, or find some one who does it for you, or build an AI what can decide whether to update your server and its components or not

if you can't afford time to deal with issues

minecraft is never ending rabbit hole basically

[supple briar]

i have 32 gb dedicated server i7 4k but i still have tps problems because of 1.15

[left swift]

Better fix them

[supple briar]

by the way, I made all the optimizations

[void void]

and you expect "no more updates" commit to fix that problem?

i mean if you really want to believe in that illusion

fork

make that commit yourself

and never track upstream

👌

[left swift]

[supple briar]

no no no

you dont understand me

[void void]

.xy

[supple briar]

I just want all the problems to be fixed and no more problems.

[limber knot]

http://xyproblem.info/

[void void]

I just want all the problems to be fixed and no more problems.

contribute?

[left swift]

U should run for president

[ashen cliff]

We will make the best fork. Bestest fork.

[void void]

instead of asking for "final commit" bs, you should've started with your actual issue - you're having a laggy server

[void void]

the bestest fork

epic

leggo

[ashen cliff]

And believe us, no one makes better forks then us.

[void void]

ah wait i have a fork already which i should maintain

[supple briar]

No, I even paid an additional fee for the requirements of all optimizations. Nothing is meant for my server. There are only classic 1.15 issues.

[void void]

I even paid an additional fee for the requirements of all optimizations

to who?

what

[limber knot]

paper doesn't charge a fee

[ashen cliff]

But McMarket does.

[limber knot]

all out optimizations are free <3

*our

[void void]

you got unofficial paid "support" then

[ashen cliff]

Not for stupid busy people.

[void void]

not paper's issue

[supple briar]

optimization organizations, contacts etc.

[left swift]

Fork paper and make the bugs pay for it

[limber knot]

you are better off donating money to paper, lmao

[left swift]

#BuildTheFork

[limber knot]

I bet half of these people offering paid optmizations just ask for help in this discord anyways 👀

[supple briar]

😦 never mind.

[void void]

you can't run into support chat and start demanding features/things/whatever

[limber knot]

granted he IS in #general ;)

[void void]

and as i've said before, the thing you wanted is invalid anyway

[wide chasm]

Are you new here mikro?

[void void]

no

i know very well, just have to state the fact sometimes

besides i'm waiting for llvm to compile

so gotta entertain myself for some time

[wide chasm]

Understandable, Paper is a very good souce of entertainment 🙂

[void void]

[left swift]

Cardboard is pretty fun too

[void void]

but you can't cut yourself with cardboard really :(

[left swift]

Oh yes u can

[void void]

well then you just have to be unlucky

[warm anchor]

oh trust me yo can

[void void]

unless...

[left swift]

Always unlucko

Maybe ur just immune to cardboard

Cardboard man

[warm anchor]

I even get cut from amazon cardboard box lol

especially winter

[limber knot]

did you update the hash?

well take a look at the client log I guess, it should tell you what went wrong

[pulsar wigeon]

tf is going on here

[left swift]

What

[void void]

nothing interesting wiz

[vernal moth]

?fw

[potent fossil]

binding it to 127.0.0.1 is pretty much foolproof if its on the system as bungee

[vernal moth]

Is that not a command anymore?!

[potent fossil]

.fw

guess not

[vernal moth]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/firewall-guide/

Why does rebex need to access your mc port?

[potent fossil]

tebex shouldnt bind to 127.0.0.1, it should make its own binding

even if server is set to do so

right? or am i stupid

ah

so it's using rcon

[ashen cliff]

I assume you are going to let Tebex connect to them directly?

[potent fossil]

would be nice if tebex could push to bungee and bungee forward to requisite server...

[vernal moth]

Shouldn't it be possible to bind rcon to a different interface?

I mean IP

[potent fossil]

that would be my next question ^

or even port

[kindred storm]

I think there's a patch to change the rcon IP or something like that

[potent fossil]

what does tebex's "Firewall Help" button show?

does it...help? :P

[kindred storm]

my solution was creating a bungeecord plugin that was able to dispatch commands on backends
recreating the wheel, you mean

if you waste time doing it, be my guest

[potent fossil]

yea...this should be sufficient in iptables

iptables -A INPUT ! -s <BUNGEE_IP>,<TEBEX_1>,<TEBEX_2> -p tcp -m tcp --dport <MC_PORT> -j DROP

"if not bungee, tebex1 or tebex 2 trying to access mc_port via tcp then drop"

[potent fossil]

good enough

[worn ember]

did you get your account back simple?

[potent fossil]

no

they denied my appeal and never responded again, promptly deleting that acc about a week later

so its gone

whatever idgaf

[worn ember]

lol wtf

[potent fossil]

discord is trash, im just here for the shitposting now

gotta be careful wat i shitpost tho

god damn it @heady spear renew my nitro, im not paying them

but i want emojis

[void void]

hey deds back

[heady spear]

@potent fossil contribute to my block logger and I will 👀

[void void]

city can you be my sugar daddy too 😩

[potent fossil]

@potent fossil contribute to my block logger and I will 👀
@heady spear what

[vernal moth]

I can contribute some MiniMessage godness

Do I get Nitro?

[potent fossil]

hey both of you fuck off

he's mine

[heady spear]

It’s already going to be using minimessage 👀

I didn’t learn my lesson when working on hyperverse so now I’ve started another dumb project

[potent fossil]

are you still developed hyperverse

developing

[worn ember]

@void void

[heady spear]

Ye it gets contributions too

People were kinda hyped about it and the feedback had been amazing

[potent fossil]

MiniMessage reminds me of MassiveCraft's Text class which I stole numerous times over the years

Except, using components

[worn ember]

shouldnt you be focusing on your finals?

[potent fossil]

Rather than legacy ChatColor

[vernal moth]

Yeah, it's kinda like that

[void void]

school can wait, minecraft can't

[vernal moth]

But txt does a bit more, since it kinda defines a color scheme

[heady spear]

I’m not taking my exams until August, they made me stressed to the point where I couldn’t leave my bed lol. I’ve been getting massive panic attacks this entire year and less uni kinda helps

[potent fossil]

i havea final in . like

ok cant type

i have a final in like

10 hours

and im not ready

[void void]

fall asleep on the book, you'll absorb its knowledge

[upper flicker]

no no you need to eat the book for that to happen

[worn ember]

pee on it to assert dominance

[void void]

oh crap so thats why it wasn't working

how much of it do i need to eat

[worn ember]

every page you need to know

[potent fossil]

bruh https://sxcu.net/BNQXDn.png

[worn ember]

thats deep

[waxen panther]

deep bro

😔 👊

[vernal moth]

ok, lets try to get paper working on the latest snapshot

[potent fossil]

can i patch panel be like...flat against the wall? 🤔

[upper flicker]

like the face plate is flat with the wall?

orrrr?

[potent fossil]

idk what im even asking

ok yea forget it i cant formulate the words required

[minor badge]

i'm surprised you can formulate words at all, dumbdumb

[potent fossil]

fuck u

[minor badge]

<3

[void void]

now kiss

[fallen oracle]

I like this post ^

[potent fossil]

can we ban glare

please

can we ban viper too

[minor badge]

i appreciate you glare :D

[blazing nebula]

ngl the left thumb is kinda hot

I think we'll make do

[void void]

all hail viper

[minor badge]

viper is learning the language of the gods

he is welcome

[potent fossil]

he's learning ancient norse?

[void void]

lmao glare

wrong, he's learning kotlin

[potent fossil]

.kill Nirvana

[limber knot]

stabs Nirvana in the heart a few times with a butchers knife.

[void void]

f

i bet he doesn't have a heart to stab

.kill mikroskeem

[limber knot]

stabs mikroskeem in the heart a few times with a sword blade.

[void void]

yeah that's like nothing for me

thinking Lombok is a language

wat

[potent fossil]

wat

[void void]

viper stop being retarded

thank

is that possible?

[minor badge]

the only language lombok represents is pure cancer

[upper flicker]

dont steal zimple's job

[wide chasm]

.lombok

[limber knot]

[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on

[potent fossil]

excuse me Z

ill have you know

[upper flicker]

u r excused

[potent fossil]

im unemployed

[fallow basin]

hello

whats up?

[wide chasm]

TheViperShow implements Unemployable

[fallow basin]

what we all doing? (my englisch is bad :/)?

[wide chasm]

We are all wasting our time. Viper even wasted his time for 5 seconds.

[fallow basin]

nooo 5 seconds 😮

XD

[potent fossil]

uh...yes

[wide chasm]

Give this man his nobel prize

[upper flicker]

no one needs discord nitro

some people just find it hard to exist without all those pepe emote servers

[void void]

[upper flicker]

just dont post it here if you do, watch some random get it again

[void void]

but how many seconds is 1337 nanoseconds?

[golden gust]

l33t seconds

[void void]

ding ding ding

cat won

viper lost

you suck viper

[vagrant niche]

🌯

[cosmic raft]

is eating a yum snack

[void void]

~limbo are you alive?

OK

FINE.

with that?

WHY

[blazing nebula]

what's the best way to remove elements from a map based on a predicate?

[void void]

viper you can change text size in discord settings

doesn't map have .removeIf?

chat font scaling

[blazing nebula]

no

that's only list, I believe

[void void]

remove elements by what?

key or value?

[blazing nebula]

value

[vernal moth]

can you mutate the entry set?

[void void]

iirc mutating values() or keySet() mutates map as well

[blazing nebula]

wait really?

I always assumed that was a clone

[void void]

check javadocs

i vaguely remember that it might be the case

.g java map javadocs

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/Map.html -- Map (Java Platform SE 8 ): "An object that maps keys to values. A map cannot contain duplicate keys; each key can map to at most one value. This interface takes the place of the..."

[blazing nebula]

yep you are right

[pulsar wigeon]

yes, just returns a view

[blazing nebula]

that's really nice to know

[cosmic raft]

~limbo uptime

[void void]

Uptime: 3 days, 18 hours, 17 minutes, 32 seconds

[cosmic raft]

yes @still smelt

~mc-4

[cosmic raft]

~MC-4

hm

[pulsar wigeon]

gj you killed it

[void void]

MC-4: Item drops sometimes appear at the wrong location

h3.The bug
When an item lands on the edge of a block, the client sometimes makes it fall over the edge while the server leaves it on the edge. This happens because the client thinks the drop can fall based on a slightly different location and attempts to predict the future incorrectly.

h3.How to reproduce
Run in command block:
{noformat}summon item ~ ~1 ~-0.6249 {Item:{id:"stone",Count:1b}}{noformat}

h3.Code analysis
Code analysis by [~marcono1234] can be found in [this comment|https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-4?focusedCommentId=323263&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-323263].

h3.Fix
Fix by [~Panda4994] can be found in [this comment|https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-4?focusedCommentId=325432&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-325432].

Status: Reopened | Author: ezekielelin

[pulsar wigeon]

[cosmic raft]

delay for some reason

yup

[rocky zealot]

?

[void void]

just got banned from the LuckPerms discord for joking around with a mod that he confused {USERNAME} with {DISPLAYNAME} in EssentialsX. One of the owners said I was being disrespectful as fuck apparently. 🤔

[pulsar wigeon]

please dont bring drama from other discords here

[void void]

don't be disrespectful as fuck then

or if you be, don't complain

ez

?

LOL

?

[pulsar wigeon]

everyone drop it

thanks

[void void]

so what did i do wrong here? @spare venture

lul

depends how you think

a weird looking turd which you'll see after drinking too much

^

[pulsar wigeon]

glad we have our resident italy expert to answer that

[minor badge]

it's shaped like stupid

[void void]

lmao

well your lifes purpose is done viper

[minor badge]

estonia isn't much better mikro :>

[void void]

i know

[minor badge]

at least y'all got a sensible language tho

[void void]

but at least it's not looking like a damn penis

[minor badge]

:(

[void void]

looks into north

wait finland was a ballsack

[minor badge]

at the very least norway ain't the balls

[void void]

without balls

[potent fossil]

what yall up to

[void void]

ye norway is like

[minor badge]

making fun of you

[void void]

foreskin

[minor badge]

lmao

[void void]

ye simple y are you a foreskin

[wide chasm]

No

Give me a fun fact about Spain instead

[kindred storm]

@minor flame It doesn't make any sense to say "moderators should have a basic understanding of common popular plugins" on a support discord

[wide chasm]

Please don't continue this

[kindred storm]

Those moderators are specific to that plugin only. They don't need to know about any other

EDIT: Does this discord have a concrete set of rules or is it just "any moderator is able to kick any user"? EDIT 2: Didn't know it was such a touchy subject. I was really confused why I was kicked so quickly, though. EDIT 3: I didn't even have a chance to read stef's message before I was kicked. EDIT 4: I can't speak because of the join-timer (Must be a member for 10 minutes to send a message.

[pulsar wigeon]

stop

[vernal moth]

ah yes

my paper 20w21a is going great

https://i.imgur.com/8hd7rkC.png

[potent fossil]

Hunk 😏

[pulsar wigeon]

A248: yes, read the rules. moderators can make decisions in the interest of the guild.

if a mod says to drop a conversation and you decide to continue it...yea

you can also converse like a normal person instead of doing retarded edits

or just dont

how much you getting paid for dealing with that dumpsterfire

[kindred storm]

thanks for the timer relief (edit: nevermind)

[upper flicker]

think it still lets you talk when I take it

[neat smelt]

why is 1.8 a dumpsterfire?

seems like 1.14 was a bigger dumpsterfire

[vernal moth]

well, 1.14 is dead

[potent fossil]

thank god

[pulsar wigeon]

i didnt say 1.14 wasnt

[upper flicker]

apparently not

gave it back

[kindred storm]

i'm concerned about the amount of power mods have on this server

[upper flicker]

then leave

[kindred storm]

i'm just joking lol

[void void]

now you're joking

[upper flicker]

then have a taco 🌮

[kindred storm]

i'm just glad this isn't Spigot-MC

[heady spear]

I mean A248 was banned from Spigot for being annoying 👀

[vernal moth]

well, spigot discord has like zero moderation, its so bad

[kindred storm]

"for being annoying"

The last thing I said on SpigotMC was "No one should bang their head against the wall out of frustration"

[vernal moth]

I had to harras choco to get temedy banned

[kindred storm]

But if you do not want me to get into that I won't speak of it

[blazing nebula]

A248 what did you wish for

[pulsar wigeon]

let's not start more other discord drama here again thanks

[heady spear]

choco is cute

[void void]

🤢

[neat smelt]

who is choco?

kashikes is cute

[wide chasm]

Spigot moderator

[heady spear]

kashike is cuter

[void void]

city your rights to reproduce should be removed

[heady spear]

but we all know that already

[vernal moth]

I really feel bad for him, he seems to be in a really bad state right now mentally

[pulsar wigeon]

[heady spear]

mikro can you stop bullying me

[pulsar wigeon]

city isnt gonna reproduce anyway

[void void]

no babygirl

LOL

[heady spear]

it has taken a serious toll on my mental health

I am sinusoidal now

[pulsar wigeon]

he doesnt have the anatomy to get pregnant

[void void]

but you know what i am

cosinoidal

[pulsar wigeon]

that's a bit of a tangent but you should take another angle on your curves

[worn ember]

@robust tiger faceless void fan?

[heady spear]

boo wiz that was bad

[pulsar wigeon]

i only pun for the reactions

[void void]

nice role A248

[kindred storm]

haha thanks

[void void]

ping demon

[heady spear]

I'm thinking of creating a new discord for my pl0gins so I don't have to look in IS anymore

[vernal moth]

do it

give me admin

[heady spear]

it makes my head go oof

[pulsar wigeon]

city just get banned from IS like i did

ezpz

[heady spear]

dords can't ban me D:

[void void]

ye who was that dude who wiz fighted with

[pulsar wigeon]

shame

[void void]

just piss him o... wait yeah nvm

[pulsar wigeon]

ask nmf to do you a favor then

[vernal moth]

imagine fighting on discord

[void void]

just hand over the discord server to someone else

give it to a random noobie

[kindred storm]

imagine...

[heady spear]

I'll post plotsquared on songodas marketplace instead, then I'm free from NMF

[kindred storm]

songoda

[void void]

city give IS discord to me

[wide chasm]

"Deleted User 3248 got the server!"

[pulsar wigeon]

lul

[void void]

lmao

[heady spear]

I mean I did give the discord away

but now ppl r giving us money

so I like them again

[worn ember]

understandable

[void void]

money is stronger that any hate

[wide chasm]

You sure about that?

[worn ember]

how much have you made off V5?

[heady spear]

we got €6000 the first month

I was pretty happy with that

[void void]

damn

[heady spear]

but now I'm spending all my time on my block logger instead because it's actually fun

[worn ember]

good tactic tho

first integrate it into society

then start asking money for it

[wide chasm]

on block place:
  send "block placed" to the console

City I've finished your project

[void void]

^

[kindred storm]

Skript

[worn ember]

[heady spear]

i dunno that language :<

[void void]

skript to bukkit converter

[wide chasm]

Don't know if "print" is Skript, but yeah

[void void]

.g skript to bukkit converter

[kindred storm]

it's not

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://support.intuiface.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007179572-Custom-Script-Converter -- Custom Script Converter – Intuiface: "Feb 11, 2020 ... Description The Custom Script value converter provides the most flexibility of any out-of-the-box binding converter as it enables..."

[wide chasm]

It's pseudocode

[kindred storm]

it just reminded me of Skript

[void void]

nope not that

[wide chasm]

Fixed it 🙂

[void void]

so it took 2 iterations

[worn ember]

bukkit to skript converter

[kindred storm]

why do people sometimes "retry" a method after it throws an exception once?

[void void]

i do it for ID collisions

[worn ember]

just to make sure

[void void]

cos thats what you do when something has a tantrum /s

troubleshooting 101

[worn ember]

to make sure its not an edge case ig

[wide chasm]

Maybe the first one errors because of the pc, just try again just in case

/s

[void void]

while (true) {
    try {
        thing();
        break;
    } catch (Throwable ignored) {}
}

solution to all of your problems

[wide chasm]

copies
pastes

[void void]

tbh, should put this into my server's tick loop when i install fawe

[kindred storm]

but it doesn't compile!!!

[blazing nebula]

thats a pretty good piece of code!

[formal turret]

now make a bukkit tutorial out of it

[void void]

i'll fuckin twitch stream it

[worn ember]

dont forget to throw in some nip slips

[wide chasm]

I'd watch that

[void void]

and if i don't get at least 250 poggers into chat then i'm gonna get sinusoidal like city

[kindred storm]

help my IDE says "The method thing() is not defined"

what am i to do

[worn ember]

[wide chasm]

Scream at your IDE until it stops complaining

[void void]

use netbeans

have you tried turning it off and on again

[worn ember]

[austere ivy]

Realistically, how would you write code that works on Java 8 but has issues on Java 11?

I thought J11 only had improvements and additions from 8, not any breaking changes.

[austere ivy]

Also what the hek is this:

[pulsar wigeon]

print each of those as a full precision floating point

16.5 is likely 16.49999998... and 15.5 is likely 15.5000000001

or whatever

[kindred storm]

I thought J11 only had improvements and additions from 8, not any breaking changes.
There are breaking changes if you rely on JDK internals and/or bundled modules

[worn ember]

which you shouldnt

[kindred storm]

ideally, but for some purposes...

for example, netty uses a lot of JDK internal classes

[upper flicker]

the version of netty bundled with paper should handle java 11 fine

no reflection issues etc

can't speak for vanillas... would depend which version I suppose

[void void]

unless you run 1.8.8

[upper flicker]

no one cares about 1.8.8

[void void]

then you won't get natives

facts

[austere ivy]

Doesn't 1.8.9 exist?

[upper flicker]

yes

client only update

[kindred storm]

not unless you use a fork with custom netty

[upper flicker]

the server version was literally them changing the version strings

so no one on our end updated

[novel horizon]

Hey, someone joined my server and created a end portal in creative world and threw items in it, it appeared in normal end and - they got items.. I fixed that, however, they also had few items with attributes like 1milion strength in hand etc.. Is there any currently bug for that?

[kindred storm]

#paper-help probably

[novel horizon]

I don't know how they could get that, hmm

[upper flicker]

creative is free for all

they can spawn in whatever they want

[kindred storm]

oh, yeah, /effect

[novel horizon]

What do you mean, how they can spawn attributes like that, no commands etc?

[upper flicker]

yes

[novel horizon]

It's in different world

For testing purposes

Oh, right

[upper flicker]

saved toolbars, modified clients, etc

there is no server validation on what they spawn

[novel horizon]

Yeah, that may be a good idea.. I fixed the portal thing though, no getting it to survival

You can't form any portals now, so it should be fine, but still

[upper flicker]

there are plugins that try and limit it a bit

you can try that

but yes I would generally recommend isolating it if possible

[novel horizon]

Alright, I don't want to use a bungee or something, maybe just different server and tell people "to try creative, just join this" and it will be running just like a completely separate server

[upper flicker]

maybe just doesnt want one more thing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

doesnt really matter

[novel horizon]

Well, in that case I would need to change how things run etc.. if I wanted to do a bungee and such

[upper flicker]

maybe an annoyance barrier is just what you need to keep them out of creative

dark patterns yay

[novel horizon]

Should be fine though, right? When they can't form any portal now 🤔

Still though, shame I missed that

[upper flicker]

As long as youre aware of the risks of creative, how you deal with it is entirely up to you

you may have a smaller server with a trusted community and not worry about it

[novel horizon]

I don't think they find anything, they just saw it on internet and such

[upper flicker]

or maybe not

your server

[novel horizon]

Not sure how to resolve that.. Well, they shouldn't be able to do that anymore, but idk for sure if there's something different that may be annoying or something

[pulsar wigeon]

this dude's name is "ShadowHacker" and he has not the slightest sensibility of security concerns

[novel horizon]

Damn, another one ^^

[upper flicker]

tbh if youve never really read about this or looked into it, pretty easy to miss

I still dont understand at all why mojang did it the way they did

ezpz is the only thing I can think of

[novel horizon]

It's just a name, dude ^^ I had that when I was like 14 and don't want to change it everywhere brah, hacker = just likes computer ❤️

[upper flicker]

we keep telling them it needs fixed

clearly working well for us 👀

[novel horizon]

Yeah

👀

Well, my players informed me about this and gave the items away, so.. I guess that's nice, but still

I don't like it happening >.<

[upper flicker]

well thats what they need to do

add it to the list guys pls and thanks

[novel horizon]

That's so weird also, having it available in multiplayer etc.

[upper flicker]

having it done this way in a multiplayer game, is how I read it

trusting the client is bad

singleplayer is multiplayer in this game

I mean they couldve checked if they wanted, but at that point they have to write all the validation anyway

which they shouldve done

[novel horizon]

Damn, don't know if I should leave it like this

[novel horizon]

I also want to play and such, so.. I use sometimes creative to try things

I don't know about any other things that may be used to do something, NBT tags should be fine, like bugging the chunks with lots of data, right.. It was fixed I think and also Paper has some changes to that, like it can create multiple files for the chunks or smth

The only thing that happened is this, using portal to get items to survival, I guess that's fine for now, but I'm now .. paranoid 😄

Yeah, I'm the only one too, but people can join the creative for building

[unreal quarry]

Just throw up a 2nd server and put them both behind a proxy. Done deal

[novel horizon]

It's just a creative world though, not like it's needed to run it separately besides these.

There's like few buildings and such

I have none, actually now 🤔

Portals can't be formed in this world (the plugin itself can do that), so, the only thing was this

I will think about it though, maybe I will just remove that and create a small one, I'll see. Disable end and nether on second server and just leave a creative world. Thanks for all the info ^^

I will look into bungee, although I don't like that, some problems with plugins I've heard and such and I hate servers with lobbies, but maybe.. I will see ^^ Thanks a lot:)

And also, wizjany, I have security concerns, that's why I'm talking about this and looking into it more 👀

[kindred storm]

problems with plugins I've heard

What do you mean?

[upper flicker]

taking your pink role away, I think its been 10 🙂

[kindred storm]

ok

Spigot plugins shouldn't have any trouble if your server is behind a proxy and you've configured IP-forwarding properly

[twin lagoon]

what was that pink role in first place

[upper flicker]

he got it to bypass the 10 minute timer

which is wildly inconsistent anyway in who it does and doesnt affect

[kindred storm]

because I was kicked ;-;

[kindred storm]

oooh similar usernames, I like it

[potent fossil]

What are the other Cool and Hip things to use in your Cool and Hip Plugins like MiniMessage @heady spear and @vernal moth?

[upper flicker]

Ive gotten it even with a verified phone

[upper flicker]

its a good time

[potent fossil]

Discord is trash

But unfortunately, everyone is fucking using it

[cosmic raft]

latex is fun

\geometry{left=1.4cm, top=0.8cm, right=1.4cm, bottom=1.8cm, footskip=0.5cm}

[potent fossil]

i agree with that

[pulsar wigeon]

kash is into latex?

[potent fossil]

yes

[pulsar wigeon]

:^)

[potent fossil]

:^^)

[novel horizon]

Hmm, may be old or false info about the plugins, I will see into the bungee just for case it may be useful, but like this it's a simple small server ^^ Thank you all)

[cosmic raft]

hi wiz

[potent fossil]

where is my 'hi', kash

[wide chasm]

kashike: hi

1.8 is evil, be careful

[void void]

the things you can do with latex is neat

but it's hell to write

ah yes overleaf

i remember that thingy

it's amazing

[sage kettle]

There's an interesting current of people lately that try to hack servers and accounts by offering bedrock to java connectivity through proxies.

Anyone know if this is not new at all, and it's just me that realized now?

[twin lagoon]

wat

[sage kettle]

yeah, we talked about it the other day in #paper-help

[void void]

link?

[sage kettle]

someone else confirmed that bedrock to java is posible.

with some sort of proxy bedrock server.

[twin lagoon]

well it is

[sage kettle]

so?

[twin lagoon]

.g geysermc

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://github.com/GeyserMC/Geyser -- GeyserMC/Geyser: A bridge/proxy allowing you to connect ......: "Geyser is a bridge between Minecraft: Bedrock Edition and Minecraft: Java Edition, closing the gap from those wanting to play true cross-platform...."

[twin lagoon]

buy one

[minor badge]

one of my alts might have a code

f

[sage kettle]

how safe is that java->bedrock thing?

I'm on the edge of just advising not to use it.

[twin lagoon]

try it and see

[sage kettle]

<insert try it an see video>

[minor badge]

.try

[limber knot]

https://tryitands.ee/

[minor badge]

much shorter to do the command than that <insert> thing lol

[sage kettle]

I didn't want to do the command.

just the text.

:l

[minor badge]

sm

h

[main rapids]

spark or aikar tmsv2? hmm

[vernal moth]

@potent fossil guice and acf I guess

[potent fossil]

dumb

[novel horizon]

Wait what, there's a bridge for Java and Bedrock, that's nice

[kindred storm]

geyser

yes

definitely

but

if you have a long constructor

you may want to use a builder

yes, definitely builder that

[granite salmon]

holy

[minor badge]

yet another issue us kotlin gods have avoided

f

kotlin

[potent fossil]

LMAO

[void void]

clojure wins

[placid swallow]

Hi! Guys I just want to ask about the more stable 1.15.2 paper version. What do you think guys which is the most stable? Because whit the newest version my players can't respawn idk why.

paperclip?

[latent valve]

Latest is stable afaik

Respawn? Like they ded ded cant click respawn?

[placid swallow]

I have Async task error whit that

😂

[golden gust]

if you have an error, you should.. provide it..

.paste

[limber knot]

Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg

[potent fossil]

probably plugin related...

but ofc, paper's fault

paper unstable

[placid swallow]

currently im back to spigot because that error but im up to get log files

[latent valve]

Paper is not stable cardboard is more stable

[placid swallow]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/e6f25b6d223e45c6b8b32569c6af8fc0

my console is flooded whit that type of error

[golden gust]

o.O

What's your spawn radius gamerule set to?

[placid swallow]

like 20000 block

[golden gust]

wut

Yea, that value is just too high

[minor badge]

/gamerule spawnRadius pls

[golden gust]

Spigot has a bug where it fucks up the handling of that, so, it doesn't work

[minor badge]

ooft

catto does a fix?

[golden gust]

No

[potent fossil]

lmao 20000 block spawn radius

[minor badge]

heck

just use an rtp plugin akos

our very own robomwm has an amazing one

[golden gust]

The logic was not designed to deal with stuff like that, best I could do is limit the range, which would potentially upset people abusing that

[placid swallow]

Execute command on join?

I have an RTP plugin

but at first spawn I need a big space between players

[golden gust]

Yea, spigots logic for that is "is this hell and are we not in adveture, then we'll apply this"

So, that radius logic just doesn't apply in spigot, it just ignores the gamerule

[placid swallow]

Ok Thank you for the fast reply so I should change spawn radius to a lower count.

[minor badge]

just use smth like deluxejoin and run spreadplayers (vanilla command!) on first join with a high radius

[placid swallow]

and how can I execute rtp command at first join?

[void void]

does anyone know of a one in the chamber plugin that would be supported on 1.15.2? iv been searching and searching with no luck, so if anyone knows, i would appreciate it

[potent fossil]

wonder how common it is to find a house these days with each room being fully wired up + having a network closet with a patch panel ready 🤔

bc when i buy i want that.

[uncut moss]

that is the most disgusting ligature i've ever seen

[potent fossil]

who did that

[uncut moss]

some guy on a google io talk

[potent fossil]

.kill whoever_that_guy_is

[limber knot]

goes bowling with whoever_that_guy_is's bloody disembodied head.

[potent fossil]

String squared

You've ruined it.

[placid swallow]

guys what is the max network compression threshold what are you recommend?

[potent fossil]

see optimization guide

.optimize

[limber knot]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/

[potent fossil]

server.properties section

[placid swallow]

xdd

[slender jay]

anyone here who's ordered/setup additional IPs from Hetzner and is willing to let me bother him/her with a couple of questions?

[twin lagoon]

if i remember correctly i've set one up

months ago

it's the same process for OVH too afaik

[normal minnow]

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=55d80160ffa14f1dafc57f308349c31a Can someone please tell me what's causing my server to constantly be at 10tps? So confusing

[twin lagoon]

.flags

[limber knot]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[twin lagoon]

cpu: 48

you're likely hosting the server on a potato

[normal minnow]

im using a server host

[queen rose]

mineresetlite 🤔

[potent fossil]

if the host doesn't let you use java flags you need to promptly back your shit up and go somewhere else

[normal minnow]

https://gyazo.com/e237bb3ba17b123c8bf8683fe842f39e

it only has checkboxes

[potent fossil]

Go elsewhere

[normal minnow]

where would you truly recommend

[twin lagoon]

yeaaaah shockbyte

ain't known as the best server hosting there is

[normal minnow]

where would you recommend?

5gb for 3 players seems a bit high, but it still lags to 10tps

i dont understand how thats possible

[potent fossil]

Honestly, I don't have a recommendation for a shared host. No experience. I would use a dedicated server and install my own panel or run it right from the command line

[twin lagoon]

dedicatedmc.io

seems to be fine

[potent fossil]

You get frequent lag spikes because you're running the incorrect memory management settings

Which the flags set

[normal minnow]

its not spikes, its just constant 10tps

[potent fossil]

Your timings indicate 20tps and spikes.

[normal minnow]

my playing experience and /tps indicates 10tps solid

[potent fossil]

Oh hold on my timings might be skewed to one end

Ah at the end it dropped that low yea

[normal minnow]

why would that be

-XX:+UseG1GC Use G1GC
-XX:+AlwaysPreTouch AlwaysPreTouch
-XX:+DisableExplicitGC Disable Explicit GC
-XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions Unlock Experimental Options
-XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=45 Max GC Pause Millis (45)
-XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 Target Survivor Ratio
-XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 G1 New Size Percent (50)
-XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=80 G1 Max New Size Percent (80)
-XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=10 Initiating Heap Occupancy Percent (10)
-XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=50 G1 Mixed GC Live Threshold
-XX:+AggressiveOpts Aggressive Opts
-XX:+UseLargePagesInMetaspace Use Large Pages In Metaspace
-Dpaper.playerconnection.keepalive=60 Increase KeepAlive timeout to 60s (PaperSpigot only).
-Dfml.readTimeout=120 Forge: Increase read timeout to 120 seconds.
-Dfml.queryResult=confirm Forge: Automatically preselect /fml confirm
-Dfml.doNotBackup=true Forge: Disable backup on mod changes.
-Dfml.readTimeout=300 Forge: Increase read timeout to 300 seconds.
-Dcofh.rf.crashOnOldAPI=false Ignore old API crash CoFH.
-DIReallyKnowWhatIAmDoingISwear=true Hide outdated messages in Spigot.
--forceUpgrade Spigot force upgrade world.

there are my options for flags

which ones should i tick off

[potent fossil]

those are a subset of the ones you need

and wrong values too

they wont help

no, do not enter your credentials there

that needs to be reported afaik github has an address

still in irc ¯_(ツ)_/¯

nope irc is append only lol

noob

[granite salmon]

irc never forgets

[pulsar wigeon]

once a retard always a retard i guess

[lament patio]

Lol, yeah. They're cheap

[harsh garden]

personally, i use .wtf

[zealous prism]

Is the china discord run by ccp

[limber knot]

I mean, Alphabet uses .xyz

[potent fossil]

yea but thats for aesthetic

abcxyz

[limber knot]

just get the whole alphabet with a dot each 3 chars and sub-sub-sub-domains

[normal mulch]

@normal minnow I recommend pebble host or apex hosting

For me they are fine, I have over 50 servers and probably 14 databases

the performance is perfect

a lot better than shockbyte

I also have a webserver

[worn ember]

not biased at all

[potent fossil]

wait what the fuck is minecraft dungeons wtf

[celest coyote]

its budget diablo

[harsh garden]

its budget dildo

[potent fossil]

is there a dedicated server component? i see it has multiplayer

[void void]

im so good

[blazing nebula]

anyone got headphones recommendations? Under 60 dollars

[twin lagoon]

save up

[blazing nebula]

Headphones should most cost more than 60 dollars imo

My last set I loved and was 20, lasted 2 years. They broke today 😢

I don’t really care about audio quality though

I just need comfort and a mic

[pulsar wigeon]

i have g430s

just gotta watch the pivot, they're pretty flimsy there

[blazing nebula]

For some reason those don’t exist on amazon, at least on the front page

[void void]

never lucky

[blazing nebula]

You guys are all rich :(

[void void]

super rich

fuck man, i have to work hard to afford a living right now lmao

one time jobs are what help me with not moving back to parents :(

[blazing nebula]

Dude there’s like 500 dollar headphones on amazon, doesn’t even have a mic

Who is buying these

Who

[uncut moss]

a lot of people

[void void]

err i think people who do music

[uncut moss]

none my headphones have a mic

[blazing nebula]

They can’t be that much better

[uncut moss]

they are

a looooot better

[blazing nebula]

I can’t tell a difference between any headphones I ever used but ig my ears aren’t that trained

[uncut moss]

some shitty logitech headset isn’t even comparable to a good pair of good brand headphones

[blazing nebula]

I never listen to music either, everyone always thinks that’s really strange

[novel horizon]

They found a workaround with getting the items to survival, multiple times 🤔 Gotta just remove the creative and make another server ^^

[blazing nebula]

I can’t disagree peppis because I’ve never used high quality headphones but I can’t even think of what “better sound quality” even sounds like

Like, it’s sound

How can it be better

[void void]

welcome to the world of minecraft, ShadowHacker

players will always find a way

[celest coyote]

once you hear good headphones, you can never go back

[void void]

i bet they'll find a way to move items from separate server into survival as well

[blazing nebula]

Maybe that’s true ash

[void void]

(probably not)

[potent fossil]

once you've had some good headphones, bad ones are very detectable, you can feel that low bandwidth :'(

[blazing nebula]

But I’ve never tried good ones and I guess I won’t, so I will never know what I’m missing out on

[void void]

smh

[celest coyote]

almost all low quality headphones are closed back with either too much or too little clamping force

[potent fossil]

oh boy he's about to turn full audiophile

gotta get on my sunglasses

[blazing nebula]

My 20 dollar ones were comfortable and they sounded... normal?

Not too much or too normal clamping force

They sat right over my ears

[celest coyote]

I only bought good headphones cause after nearly 10 years of use my 80 dollar headset was literally falling apart after I sat on it 2 times

actually held together by duct tape

[potent fossil]

i remember when i thought turtle beaches were good headphones

i do kinda miss having a on my headphones i guess

mic

[celest coyote]

I got a mic :>

[potent fossil]

fucking TIL smart beds exist

https://www.eightsleep.com/eight-pod-sleep-cool/

it's water cooled

(or heated)

wild

[celest coyote]

why wouldn't they

[potent fossil]

i kinda want it

[celest coyote]

rich people things

imagine it just breaks one night and burns your back

[potent fossil]

it does what those sleep tracker apps do except built into the mattress

like how well you sleep etc

wtf sick

it has a built in alarm clock that vibrates you awake

tf

3000 fucking dollars

imagine you wanna go to bed but your bed is like "please wait OTA update in progress"

you wake up at night to it vibrating

"plz reboot me"

[celest coyote]

now the government knows exactly when you are asleep

and they can inject you with microchips as soon as you sleep

[potent fossil]

swat outside

ppppssssstt is he asleep?
"yes sir"

BREACH BREACH BREACH

[celest coyote]

PRIvATE ITS A COVERT OPERATION

[novel horizon]

Well, I removed the creative world, has anyone idea though how to get items out of creative world without the help of portals, but through a mule or something? 🤔

[celest coyote]

enderchest

[novel horizon]

Some people got items to survival (end) through end portal, but I removed that and banned portals etc.. But they managed to get it with a different thing, maybe some bug/glitch and hacked client with something else.. I'm curious, it shouldn't be a problem now

Ender chests are different too

They're separate

[celest coyote]

shulkers?

[novel horizon]

Yeah, they duped or glitched shulker

[limber knot]

you should really use separate servers and bungee if you want to allow creative in a world

there have been tons of exploits with per world inventory plugins in the past

and adding creative in the mix massively increases the impact such an item transfer will have

[novel horizon]

Yeah, I will probably do that, I'll see in the future though, don't wanna use bungee just for the creative server kinda, ty

[void void]

If anyone using WorldGuards latest 60ish builds or so from the EH download page, there's a horrid dupe bug in it with paper. PM if you need info. Hopefully fixed soon

[pulsar wigeon]

imagine actually reporting it to the developer

[potent fossil]

cant imagine that

[warm anchor]

lol

[potent fossil]

ludicrous suggestion wiz

fuckin dumbass

what would u know about WG anyway

[novel horizon]

I am using WG 🤔 Funny that it may be relevant to my problem, no creative now though, so no problem.. well, kinda

[potent fossil]

https://sxcu.net/vzg8L1.png
https://sxcu.net/kCKa8x.png

[novel horizon]

I had no idea, nice ^^

Is there a bug though, who says "pm me" but has PM disabled

[potent fossil]

yes there is a bug

its called Retard

very serious

some would say unfixable

[novel horizon]

Damn, that's bad

[potent fossil]

if it happens, the affected product(s) are to be disposed

but, unfortunately, the spread is too rampant to contain

so we have a description for that, called rampant retardism

of which most of the population is affected

so, ye

[blazing nebula]

Did you just imply that retards should be killed?

[potent fossil]

@blazing nebula and proudly

[blazing nebula]

Damn

Rip me

[potent fossil]

.kill Nesaak

[limber knot]

stabs Nesaak in the heart a few times with a knife.

[potent fossil]

I granted him a quick death.

More than some deserve.

[blazing nebula]

💀

[potent fossil]

goodnight sweet prince

[austere ivy]

I think I'm going to make all my plugins JDK16-mandatory when pattern matching comes out 👀

Unless it has a third preview, then JDK17.

[pulsar wigeon]

i mean gl convincing people to switch to a non-LTS for whatever the hell your plugins are

have you branched out since that bed plugin that has a larger pile of garbage as a config file than actual code?

[potent fossil]

[potent fossil]

when is the next lts anyway

[pulsar wigeon]

17

[potent fossil]

nice

[pulsar wigeon]

.g java versions

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history -- Java version history - Wikipedia: "The Java language has undergone several changes since JDK 1.0 as well as numerous additions of classes and packages to the standard library. Since..."

[potent fossil]

oh v nice v nice

[pulsar wigeon]

16 months or so

[potent fossil]

well

i need to move my ass off the 8 dinosaur

i remember when that was shiny and new :'(

[void void]

@pulsar wigeon where should I report it so it's private and not leaked?

[potent fossil]

[void void]

Don't want to post it here of course.

[potent fossil]

hf surviving that ping

[void void]

What you mean?

Lag?

Oh in discord?

My bad just used to it

[potent fossil]

yeah its in the welcome channel that nobody reads

[cunning raft]

honestly it's a valid wiz ping

[fallen oracle]

insert jaws theme song

[void void]

@void void yeah!

I'm gonna DM you ok

[cunning raft]

you should goto the engine hub discord

and dm some developer there

discord.gg/enginehub

[void void]

Same thing for me latest paperclip and worldguard. Removing worldguard fixes it tho

I'm on there already but don't wanna post public. Anyways pming you Robert

[upper flicker]

aw man I never got my role back in enginehub

[lament patio]

@void void, well, your server stops doing work during a garbage collection, so you want that length to be as low as possible

[fallen oracle]

Creeper

[pulsar wigeon]

tf is going on here

i go to eat dinner and this dude pings me and then pms some rando?

[fallen oracle]

Hold up

What did you have to eat?

[pulsar wigeon]

spaghetti and meatballs

[fallen oracle]

Good answer.

[upper flicker]

smh mod banter

[fallen oracle]

Can you say aww man for me again

[potent fossil]

hope they were big juicy balls

[pulsar wigeon]

yes

big juicy balls

[fallen oracle]

Were they Italian?

[potent fossil]

No they were balls, @fallen oracle

[vestal jasper]

Lol

[fallen oracle]

Yum

[latent valve]

wizjany: big juicy balls

[potent fossil]

i said it first

[fallen oracle]

Might be a #paper-help question

Anyways

This all ties back to the squirrels I was watching this morning.

[upper flicker]

lengthy GCs will affect TPS yes

though they will not show in timings as anything other than full pauses

full stop the world JVM pauses means your only source of info is the JVM

[fallen oracle]

No but they like nuts.

Peanuts have nuts.

Except when it's creamy

No nuts

[upper flicker]

are you all still making ball jokes

[fallen oracle]

Just made of nuts

No

[potent fossil]

Wait

[fallen oracle]

I'm talking about peanut butter

[potent fossil]

We were joking?

[fallen oracle]

Keep up

[limber knot]

god I hate frontend web dev

why can't firefox and chrome just use the freaking same standards -.-

[upper flicker]

not unless you have a plugin constantly causing them

if one of them was causing an issue like that, it is possible it would get worse over time, and therefore you resetting it would improve it

also possible it would do that even on a fresh run

really starts to get into specifics

[fallen oracle]

That reminds me

[warm anchor]

In what situation that daily restart will benefit?

[fallen oracle]

I haven't seen anyone mistake specific with pacific in awhile

So then we can be like "but why not Atlantic" and then laugh because we're all dead inside

[potent fossil]

glare

what the FUCK are you talking about

[fallen oracle]

You obviously haven't lived properly yet

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-say-Pacific-instead-of-specific

[potent fossil]

do...adults do that?

this is a thing i've only seen in children

[upper flicker]

I assume because they're stupid?

[fallen oracle]

Oh maybe

I never thought of that

Spark does heap stuff

[pulsar wigeon]

heap summary is generally not great at determining things as it doesn't give gc roots

an actual heapdump and an actual analysis software

(eg, /paper heap and visualvm or equivalent)

[pulsar wigeon]

yea i mean as soon as someone actually reports it to the devs

[fallen oracle]

Bruh

[void void]

thats a man?

[warm anchor]

dude them boys in the 90s be rocking those hair style

[latent valve]

how fucking dum can that guy be lmfao

[worn ember]

why does world generation from like multiverse cause heapdumps? from what i can tell the server is still responsive?

[latent valve]

well glove can hurt u more

rubbergloves and acid get inside u prob wont notice much
but if u get it on your hand u can "clean" it off easier

[slender jay]

eyy

who deleted it

i was watching

[worn ember]

also some acids break down the glove and cause a burning reaction where you can burn your hand and shit

chemicals are weird

[latent valve]

[void void]

maybe its a fake video