shit works fucking flawlessly now
#general
olive marlin
Lol
twin lagoon
if not, thank you
olive marlin
Don't worry. Glad I could help 🙂
vernal moth
olive marlin
If I'd want money, then you wouldn't thank me? :/
vernal moth
I don't even know if its actually broken, nor do I really care, we only use selections
might give it a try tho
pulsar wigeon
lol
vernal moth
gonna fix protocollib first
pulsar wigeon
imagine using worldedit for a dumb axe
vernal moth
I just havent bothered to reimplement that yet 😄
see, before we were using worldedit and worldguard for region detection
then I wrote our own region stuff by basically copying the backend of WG
and I didnt care enough to get rid of selection
oh god, protocollib is such a mess
the way it tries to find classes and methods
well, guess I need to get a debugger out
onyx nacelle
vernal moth
// Okay, this must be on 1.7.2
heady spear
CoreEdit won't use a stupid axe
so CoreEdit is better
too bad PlotSquared won't support it. Sad 👀
vernal moth
urg, protocollib can't find the right player class to get the connection class
heady spear
y r u using protocollib
vernal moth
its searching for CraftPlayer.getHandle and check its return type, which is ServerPlayer, which is right, but its finding CraftHumanEntity.gethandle, which returns Player...
heady spear
are you noob
vernal moth
because I don't want to write my own packet listener yet
guess that could be easier
but i want to try a bit more
nope
its isnt
it really isnt
heady spear
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2004/07/tr-2004-24.pdf
I'm gonna try using this shit for my new road pathfinder I think
why is Microsoft using WordPress for their research hub tho
stoic crag
vernal moth
I can't figure this out
how can I use reflection to see if a method has been declared in a parent or if its the actual overriden one?
getDeclaringClass returns the same class for all 3 methods...
lapis spruce
vernal moth
no it doesnt
they all return craftplayer
I check if the method return type is abstract now
gentle nest
is there a way to prevent the knowledge book from disappearing on right clicking?
limber knotBOT
getDeclaredMethods should only get the methods implemented in the class and not the super class
cunning raft
And getDeclaredMethod(String) should only return a method if it was overwritten
jolly oasis
what plugin is this? my admins get kicked by this
I think griefprevention but I cant figure out
jolly oasis
digital talon
Probably NCP with special config
cunning raft
smh you hide your plugins list
jolly oasis
why hide it? you cant help me if you didnt know what plugins I have
latent valve
.plugins
jolly oasis
oh my plugin to block it
idk my friend told me not to show it to all the players
haha whats wrong with that
limber knotBOT
it's broken af
jolly oasis
I needed the spline brush
and I havent got any problems so far
i only dont like the prefix lol
slender jay
what server version
are you running
since you claim fawe is fine
i vote for NCP from the plugins
latent valve
that default ncp config atleast the new ncp one
jagged ether
twilit reef
dense onyx
willow otter
civic pewter
hey guys, i have a problem, not quite a paper one, but related to serveri... How can I ban-ip someone with a space in his name?
"" is not working
cunning raft
no support is given for offline mode
upper flicker
get his IP from the logon message
just use the IP instead of their name
or just block users with spaces in their name, or even use online mode
civic pewter
okay, thankss :)
vernal moth
mfw there is a method called genericsFtw
marsh mountain
Wait you can have spaces in your name with an offline server?
twin lagoon
there's some online users with spaces in their names actually
marsh mountain
I would have assumed the server will still check usernames though, but oh well :D
there's some online users with spaces in their names actually
Who if I may ask? Kind of curious now xD
limber knotBOT
Reminder for DiscordBot: TIME
upper flicker
every one of those I lookup now doesnt have spaces in their name on the session servers
likely mojang did a pass at some point
upper flicker
do you store their name history for some reason?
sometimes mojang will clear it but it depends
we could go ask them 😆
green turret
Maybe they control the volume and pitch of the sound?
upper flicker
does this mean we can drop ours runs
limber knotBOT
no but actually yes please
jolly oasis
@still smelt thanks ill look into it i let you know if I fixed it
@slender jay Im running spigot-1.15.2 and fawe version 1.15.192 (just the latest of everything I made this server with all fresh downloads 1 week ago)
yeah im sorry i always used it
granite salmon
imagine not using paper !
jolly oasis
i create a server now because im bored of sitting home. I used to make servers with spigot 4 years ago
but what is really the difference now
back then paper wasnt known or didnt exist idk
granite salmon
paper is superior
granite salmon
you can transfer pex to LP
jolly oasis
why would I
I like the way permissionex works
but why
you dont have a clear config like permissions
ex
it probably is but what is the diffence
granite salmon
isnt pex not updated anymore
elfin gulch
jolly oasis
pex is coming back they are working on 1.16 version
granite salmon
there is a comparison
unreal quarry
LuckPerms supports YAML just fine. I don't know who keeps telling people it doesnt
jolly oasis
I believe luckperms might be better but if pex doesnt have problems why should I spent time on luckperms
unreal quarry
majority, zbk, yeah
jolly oasis
im not anti
upper flicker
pretty sure there's at least one public exploit in pex atm
the author doesnt recommend you use it
granite salmon
there is the wiki for that, but if you need help you should join LP discord: https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki/Migration
limber knotBOT
never used promote or ranks so ya
per world permission groups were a bit of a struggle to convert over back when I did it a couple years ago
limber knotBOT
ended up doing something weird where I have a group with specifically only per-world permissions and have that be part of the default groups
or something to that effect
void void
how is the bot talking
upper flicker
magic
limber knotBOT
"dumcordian"
void void
sentient bot
jolly oasis
I see paper has much builds, are those all stable versions? I want the latest stable 1.15.2 to try it
olive marlin
Not all are stable. But usually later is more stable cause it fixes previous issues 🙂
jolly oasis
Oke the latest still has 3 versions: paper-260 paperclip-260, paperclip
whats difference
celest coyote
Nothing
waxen panther
i think public private UUID uuid should be public protected private UUID uuid
rough ice
Alright, I've seen so many options around about the different spigots and I've decided to learn how to do my own, I am going to use Paper's source to create my own optimized 1.8.8 to 1.15, is it possible to start with very little knowledge?
rough ice
Yes, but I have decided to "try" and create my own fork for Factions.
vernal moth
its my error actually @void void
rough ice
I am going to have to optimize TNT/Entities myself and add the support from 1.8 to 1.15. Is it possible with community help?
rough ice
I am not looking for someone to spoon feed me but I am looking for someone who would help.
waxen panther
The support for 1.8 -> 1.15 is just viaversion
nothing special about that
as for the tnt I think there are some cannoning jars that are open source
rough ice
Yes, but that's plugin, I am looking to incorporate into the jar.
waxen panther
Most of them just shade it into the jar :P
rough ice
What compiler should I use and what's the required programs?
olive marlin
Look into CONTRIBUTING.md on paper repo for example.
There isn't much required.
Many people use IntelliJ from what I could see, with the Minecraft plugin for it.
I use vim, but I don't do that much Java.
Still bring out IntelliJ when I need to do more stuff.
upper flicker
the minecraft plugin is more for plugins, it doesnt do much with the server
have to yell at demon
olive marlin
Welp, never used it - saw people recomending it a lot 🙂
visual shale
wrong place lol
rough ice
If someone could teach me how to compile source codes, I would be very much appreciated, I know that nowadays getting someone to teach you for free is pretty much close to impossible so yes, I can offer payment, but not much as I am poor lul 😛
waxen panther
just look at the paper repo and how it applies patches
if you can't figure that out then you're going to have a real hard time modifying a fork
unreal quarry
its ok. its "just minecraft" lol
rough ice
Most developers use Eclipse right?
waxen panther
no
green turret
This isn't quite the same scale, but it is much in the same vein as someone going "you know what, StarCraft II isn't that great, so I'll learn game programming and make my own StarCraft IIb that's better".
waxen panther
Many people use IntelliJ from what I could see, with the Minecraft plugin for it.
this
Idk what the minecraft plugin does though
I've had it installed for a while and i don't think i've noticed anything
other than the templates
rough ice
Would there be any errors if let's say I used a different program as the developer used for the project?
waxen panther
Modifying servers really isn't a good place to start
its annoying and you're bound to make bad performance decisions
There are some free sites online for learning java, might be best to start there. Unless you have some experience with a similar language like c#
rough ice
I am not looking to code things from scratch, and I learn better by doing the real thing which means I will make mistakes and errors that I'll have to go and ask around how to fix and learn from community.
green turret
Buddy, I'm all for encouraging people to get on their journey and just roll with the punches, but your journey right now is akin to attempting a gourmet 5-course meal for 12 food critics without having poured your own bowl of cereal before. You need to be aware that what you're aiming for is very far from beginner level stuff.
It's good to have goals, but don't expect to be optimizing and improving Paper from the get-go.
Writing your own plugin first would be a great start.
heady spear
mule is just jealous because his aspirations are lame in comparison
rough ice
I assume some of the changes that I am looking to do are already coded, I know that "copy-paste" coding is not ideal/correct way of doing it, but right now, I need a jar that works great and a lot of them out there are either too expensive or I don't know what's behind the code.
Such as: east/west cannon fix for example, such as versions protocols, that's all out there.
pulsar wigeon
the issue is "learn from community" isnt gonna happen cuz no one wants to teach someone who doesnt understand basic fundamentals
you're going to end up annoying everyone asking them to fix your shit cuzyou didnt bother to learn java
green turret
Okay, let me put it this way: you won't be able to do this on your own without learning some basic programming skills, which means your "asking for help" will reduce to somebody doing it for you. There's just no way you can "just" get a little help and you'll be on your way.
Another analogy to build upon the cooking one: this is like asking a chef if he can point out where on the microwave the button for beef wellington is. It's a little insulting to be quite honest :P
waxen panther
I like that analogy
pulsar wigeon
what do you mean mule, your microwave doesnt have a beef wellington button?
"Popcorn | Butter | Pizza
Defrost | Potato | Beef Wellington"
green turret
It only has microwaves, weight/time, clock/program, stop/reset, start/+30 sec, the volume knob, and the open sesame button.
I wonder if I press the program button if it'll cook a Paper build optimized for Factions...
waxen panther
I'm pretty hungry now
green turret
I just ate chili dog leftovers
fallen oracle
Should've brought a snack with me. I'm waiting over an hour in line for grocery store.
heady spear
I bought blueberries and was super excited to eat blueberries but all of the blueberries were gross, they weren't nice blueberries at all
fallen oracle
Were they naughty?
heady spear
so I threw away all of the blueberries, which sucks because I really wanted blueberries. Oh well, will just have to eat blueberries another time
lol the grocery store was super crowded, pretty sure the entire county decided to shop at the same time
but as we have no regulations I could just shop like normal 😛
green turret
Are you guys gonna lock down any time soon?
heady spear
lolno
green turret
I'm a little worried over here.
fallen oracle
We have been for 47 days
unreal quarry
heady spear
nah we're doing great so nothing is going to change 🤷♂️
unreal quarry
shit, i'm late to the microwave convo
fallen oracle
You know what you're not late for billy
heady spear
don't shit in the microwave
green turret
Typical Sweden. Denmark is being a good boy, model citizen, and Sweden is just over there being an edgy crime rider. And then they'll get all dinged up and they'll drag Denmark down with them like they always do!
green turret
Germany are just being Germany.
ZE DATA SHOWS ZAT ZE LOCKDOVN IZ VORKING
I had a meeting with a German dude with the thickest accent I've ever heard. He matched all of the stereotype serious business German. And holy shit was he just on point about everything.
Like a machine. A well-oiled machine.
pastel field
lmao
gleaming rivet
can anyone tell where me the donation link is?
wide chasm
gleaming rivet
ty
gritty elbow
gleaming rivet
i forgot where it was last time u linked it ❤️
❤️
love ur guys work, keep it up.
vernal moth
I hope Germany absorbs you dorks soon
@heady spear I agree. The last war was way too long ago. It's been what, 70 years?!
gleaming rivet
you really hate europeans huh 😦 ?
heady spear
yes Europeans are awful
vernal moth
Especially sweds
heady spear
Go 🇺🇸
waxen panther
as a European, i also think it's been too long since we were bombed
heady spear
Europeans are awfully good at fighting each other, too bad that stopped
gleaming rivet
Especially sweds
@vernal moth agreeing on this, but sweden isn't made up of sweds anymore - mostly "other"
vernal moth
We still find British bombs here frequently 😂
Wtf is other supposed to mean
If you live in Sweden and have a swedish pass, you a swed
And yes, that makes dinnerbone a swed and am totally fine with that
heady spear
but sweden isn't made up of sweds anymore - mostly "other"
uh-uh alt-right alert
green turret
So the thing is, only true Swedes are ice walkers.
gleaming rivet
@heady spear a lil bit maybe
heady spear
I'm blonde with blue eyes. A true swede.
green turret
The Danish law requires us to attack Swedes that walk across the ice to invade!
gleaming rivet
^^
heady spear
why would anyone willingly enter Denmark
latent valve
Denmark bad
vernal moth
Am kinda blond with blue eyes
heady spear
Gross.
vernal moth
Am I a swed now too?
latent valve
2swed v 1 denmark
heady spear
tbf my hair is black rn
latent valve
gleaming rivet
danes hate people willingly entering denmark anyway so just don't xd
heady spear
decided to revisit my 2013 emo phase
vernal moth
Black hair? Pic!
heady spear
Well anyway, having lived in Sweden for the last 20 years I can ensure you that there are more swedes than "other"
other being people from Skåne, obviously
green turret
So racist
heady spear
Those are basically Danes and we want nothing to do with them
vernal moth
I wouldn't even be able to tell if somebody is first second or 3rd gen German
Nationality is stoooooopid
green turret
The Skånese struggle to figure out where they belong because nobody wants them.
heady spear
Also people from Gotland, they're not Swedish at all
vernal moth
If you life here and work here and speak my language, you are a German
vernal moth
Right, we have that here too. Germany ends where Bavaria beginnns
green turret
Same thing with Schleswigers. They kinda wanna be Danish but they have a weird accent so they can't.
vernal moth
We don't want to have anything to do with baverian bullshit
green turret
Ahahahaha
vernal moth
They might as well be from Austria at this point
heady spear
Are bavarians the ones with funny clothes and homoerotic dances?
vernal moth
Yes
green turret
They are bears
heady spear
ah nice, I like them
vernal moth
The Lederhosen and Weißwurst
heady spear
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Conan & Andy Richter Learn A Traditional German Dance - CONAN on TBS - length 8m 11s - 72,301 likes, 1,031 dislikes (98.6%) - 5,172,692 views - Team Coco on 2016.12.08
heady spear
this is one of the best conan bits ever 😛
green turret
If there's one thing Germany is good for its curry wurst. Always eat it on Germany trips!
Also Ritter Sport.
green turret
And kids would say KINDER MILKEN SCHNITZEL but that's gross
heady spear
Döner isn't german at all, you can't claim that
vernal moth
We can
heady spear
No
vernal moth
It was created here
heady spear
no
green turret
Is that what we just call kebab here?
heady spear
bruh you can't claim German food that is clearly Swedish
yes
Turkish** lol
We did that with meat balls and so now you can't do the same
vernal moth
We made is famous
heady spear
We have been eating it as hangover food since like forever
green turret
We have a little joint here, Shawarma King. Their kebab is amazing.
heady spear
Every pizza place in Sweden sells kebab 😛
green turret
Quality varies greatly though. Some places it's like gross and chewy and sinewy :(
vernal moth
We call it Döner Kebab
green turret
My local pizza joint is hit or miss, so I usually just get pizza. Pineapple, pepperoni, beef, creme fraiche, hot sauce. Best.
heady spear
We call it kebab, those weird skewer things are just meat on a stick
Scandinavian pizza is way better than pizza anywhere else
vernal moth
I exclusively get my pizza at Smiley's
heady spear
Italian pizza can suck my dingle dangle
green turret
You know in northern Jutland they eat bearnaise sauce on pizza.
heady spear
that's a thing here too 😛
green turret
It's not bad.
vernal moth
heady spear
the thicc daddy sauce tho, not the runny one
waxen panther
that sounds pretty cursed to me
green turret
People be knockin' it but they ain't never tried!
green turret
But one pizza topping I wish we had, banana peppers
vernal moth
Or when we go out for pizza, l'osteria, they have those giant pizzas
green turret
Knocks jalapeños out the door I say.
heady spear
this is prime Swedish food lol
not that I eat meat, but there's vegan kebabpizza 👀
it's disgusting and might kill you, but it's a part of our culture
just like taco Friday. Extremely Swedish.
green turret
That's just Swedes in a nutshell.
Disgusting and might kill you. That's why we must always guard the coast when the Øresund freezes.
green turret
Ja!
heady spear
Although prime Swedish food would be two big fat sausages and two scopes of mashed potatoes
with 'grillkrydda' on top
but you may only buy it at a gross hole-in-the-wall
green turret
You know everybody is raving about Swedish meatballs. You ever had frikadeller? I think they are better. But I am obviously biased.
green turret
Psh!
heady spear
better yet, moose meatballs 
green turret
We don't have meese.
green turret
I don't know actually. I had mink whale in Iceland. Can't recommend.
heady spear
doesn't sound nice at all
I'm not really a fan of meat at all, nlg, but reindeer & elk both taste pretty good
boar is also fine but idk if I get the hype
candid wyvern
frozen loom
lament patio
Ryzen 3300x is the new 7700k, nice
ashen cliff
twin lagoon
that's insane
ashen cliff
Put some good cooling on that... best value MC CPU.
young sable
i made a paper updater script for Linux and i'm kinda proud of how well it works
limber knotBOT
attachments to share source
halcyon jay
desert garden
final current
rotund vigil
celest cradle
lethal path
slim stream
rotund vigil
idk where to say this so ill just say it here
im hosting a minecraft server/festival
and im wondering if anyone can help make like a screen in the background
with visuals and shit
halcyon jay
Hello, i'm new :).
My friend just setup a PaperMC v1.8.8,
I have setup supervision with grafana, influxdb and telegraf, i have find some grafana dashboard working with prometheus to get some statistics from the game like this one : https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/prometheus-exporter.36618/
But my friend looking for this kind of information -> :
https://proxy.spigotmc.org/01eb3886e1b6c4c1a30bc5f9c6d1ee64132b12a3?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOXOakN6.png
I can't find anything extracting this information, anybody have an idea? :)
Thank you for your time and help.
halcyon jay
He try Logmonitor to get this information inside the game, but i was thinking about export it.
Ok my friend just understand he can get his statistics in one shoot with : https://timings.aikar.co/
twin lagoon
that is an odd version of minecraft
unreal quarry
@halcyon jay 1.8 isn't supported here, so you're on your own 😉
halcyon jay
Sure, no problem 🙂
olive marlin
I don't understand why would you want it in prometheus.
halcyon jay
I'm just helping him to supervise his server 🙂
twin lagoon
that's not helping at all
olive marlin
Doesn't it look like a collector will take a long time to get the metrics and just increase load on your server?
twin lagoon
yes
halcyon jay
in case you are on raspberry sure 🙂
olive marlin
I mean - usually you scrape like every 15 seconds - so you can just asynchronously keep gathering some stuff. But some stuff you still need to gather sync.
twin lagoon
stick to sparkprofiler, timings or lagmonitor
don't bother throwing it in grafana / prometheus
olive marlin
I only have BB monitoring of MC server - wrote a custom exporter recently that queries minecraft status/query API and exposes. But that's like for simple statistics keeping and alert if network is down or anything - not for debugging serwer.
rotund vigil
is anyone able to do visuals?
green turret
"do visuals"?
rotund vigil
in minecraft
here ill do a quote
im hosting a minecraft server/festival
and im wondering if anyone can help make like a screen in the background
with visuals and shit
@rotund vigil
green turret
That doesn't really answer what "visuals" are, it just puts them in the game.
rotund vigil
wait
unreal quarry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wznTGw2xY4M there ya go @rotund vigil
twin lagoon
kek
rotund vigil
twin lagoon
must be some resource pack then
twin lagoon
not smooth enough
actually
eh that is possible
was there a resource pack involved @rotund vigil
rotund vigil
yes
rotund vigil
i have no idea how to do animated texture packs
also you would have to remodel stuff
unreal quarry
that looks like animated maps in item frames
super simple to do, but laggy AF on your bandwidth
they can be pretty damn smooth, viper
frozen jacinth
looks like minecraft servers are more popular than in the last 3-4 years rn
rotund vigil
@unreal quarry are you able to do it?
green turret
Like 5 dollars or some shit like that
rotund vigil
o shit
unreal quarry
someone even made a YT video player on a map
no sound (obviously), but it was smooth as can be
cunning raft
what the fuck
merry talon
April fools was a month ago
cunning raft
a security company joins the least secure video calling platform
upper flicker
tbh from zoom's perspective that's probably the best acquisition they could make
merry talon
they're chinese too
upper flicker
from keybase's its a lot more eh. but keybase didnt have a real path to profitability
cunning raft
true
upper flicker
so just maybe itll work out if they let them stay their own thing
zoom's last 5.0 update did fix a bunch of security stuff too
idk we'll see, Im not hopeful, but Im not ready to uninstall keybase from everything yet either
merry talon
I dont think they SHOULD be profitable
cunning raft
huh viper
merry talon
I dunno, it only makes sense to me as a nonprofit
upper flicker
that was never on their roadmap though
cunning raft
and even if it was nonprofits still need to make money
upper flicker
while that may, and it is just a may, be better, keybase was never going to be that
cunning badge
@unreal quarry why did you ping me with that
merry talon
isnt their whole goal to be a platform to bring crypto into the real world?
unreal quarry
wrong person :3
merry talon
They can't be trying to profit
upper flicker
they already took a ton of investor money on the premise of making a profit
the ship had sailed
merry talon
wtf would you pay for
upper flicker
idfk
in some ways, if they paid off their investors with this acquisition that may even be better
upper flicker
less outstanding interests may let them focus, assuming zoom doesnt want to pull them in some other direction
if they had gotten further along, some other investor couldve just done the same, pushed them in some awful direction
ebon harness
merry talon
Their file storage doesn't make sense outside of personal use for like.. tax documents
cunning raft
spigot forums
upper flicker
in their defense, they dont need to be the most used file storage platform to make a profit
they just need(ed?) to become the one for paranoid/privacy/etc people
if thats where they wanted to go
and idk that it is
merry talon
arent those the exact type of people to not pay some company and do it their own way
I think they'd have to attract businesses somehow
cunning raft
there's a niche
upper flicker
well it depends how far down you go
cunning raft
but mega also exists
cunning raft
yeah true
upper flicker
you arent targeting GPG privacy people
youre targeting the normal people who are vaguely concerned with privacy after reading the latest news story about google and microsoft
apple has had some success in this specific area recently, though not for general file storage
merry talon
except apple can do it without sacrificing usability lol
every time I actually try to use keybase it feels like I went 10 years back in terms of UX
upper flicker
tbh I didnt find many usability issues with keybase's file storage specificly
merry talon
in the name of security
upper flicker
it integrates into nautilus/finder/windows explorer etc
merry talon
the files are ok albeit slow
upper flicker
their general desktop app is electron, so in a way its ahead of the big guys using nicer native ones 
merry talon
but that chat features are horrid
cunning raft
A UX that is too easy even if it's the most secure gives the appearance its not
upper flicker
UX could definitely be improved though
cunning raft
their general desktop app is electron
node.js is badass rockstar tech
upper flicker
Im not saying they could just put out some commercial and be there
but I could see a path
they never really branched out of tech people though either so who knows
cunning raft
ok
rotund vigil
can anyone help lmao
upper flicker
start with logs
rotund vigil
like the console?
upper flicker
yes or from the file
rotund vigil
wdym
cunning raft
logs/latest.log
upper flicker
yeah
rotund vigil
where to get that file
cunning raft
in your server directory logs/latest.log
upper flicker
saves space
gzipped tarballs are pretty standard in the server world so no concerns about compatibility
sterile estuary
olive marlin
That reminds me I wanted to rotate the logs lol
I wonder how big they got in the last few months.
Not even 9M from 280 log files, I guess I don't need any automatic rotation 😅
upper flicker
you could implement whatever compression you wanted
make it never compress if you wanted
thorny thicket
upper flicker
not that part of it
we dont want it
but cool
ok, I just dont want you to think I misled you
olive marlin
But doesn't MC use log4j?
upper flicker
dont need anyone coming back here and freaking out that we approved something we didnt and they wasted their time
olive marlin
Wouldn't it be a matter of selling it custom config?
upper flicker
I doubt log4j supports 7z natively
olive marlin
upper flicker
mfw they do
crazy bastards
if our bundled version has that, then yes apparently you could literally just point it at your config
bet you they dont support rar compression though
winrar was the standard for forever
everyone forgets that now that 7z took its place
I mean it was never tar.gz
but for like modders and not server stuff
void void
I don't understand the point of rar and 7z archives when you can just use zip
upper flicker
they compress better
might de/compress faster too
funnily enough zip compression has a bunch of modes that no one uses
or really supports
the normal zip flavor works well enough for most people
good luck walking normal people through installing 7z and extracting
or getting past the warnings of a self extracting archive
olive marlin
Most people use zip just to get multiple files into one tbh.
upper flicker
if I double click it and it doesnt open on a stock version of winders it doesnt really exist for most people
little temple
void void
Ye i tend to encounter them mostly on stuff that most people aren't downloading, so makes sense
Still a pain doing 7z on debian
upper flicker
thats what p7zip is for
though Ive never really wanted to make a 7z archive on a server, just decompress one I was sent
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) This command requires an API key from wordnik.com.
void void
Yeah that one keeps breaking for me somehow
upper flicker
just use a better archive 😄
olive marlin
HTML logs would be cool
@still smelt https://howtodoinjava.com/log4j/how-to-create-logs-in-html-format-using-log4j/ ?
xD
void void
Its worst when the things in 7z or rar, and chances are that's the only archive of that on the internet
Or at least without a lot more digging
upper flicker
Yeah there is a lot of stuff that only exists in 7z or rar
void void
Those tools seem to be especially popular in China and Russia
vestal jasper
What's with the extra 
quality issues lately
upper flicker
I presume its the same issue as all the 
in discord
void void
olive marlin
Why do people use Arch?
Bleeding edge - you get all the nice, new fast features. Sometimes you'll have to fix things as the cost of that.
upper flicker
AUR
if the AUR wasnt a thing I'd sit on Fedora
thats bleeding enough but still has some standards for quality
little temple
can i switch my mc server engine from spingot to paper without any plugins issues?
hearty heron
upper flicker
usually OIS
make sure all your plugins are their latest version and then swap the jar file
olive marlin
That's why I opted in for Manjaro - by default uses slightly delayed repos and stuff.
little temple
do u know any plugin that wont work ?
upper flicker
All I ever see is arch maintainers complain when they get bad reports from Manjaro users
not offhand OIS
safe barn
olive marlin
Well, you can install Manjaro through GUI, so I guess it lowers the entry barrier.
little temple
is this that simple just deleting spingot engine and pasting paper?
tired heath
Hi, just wondering does anyone has a recommentation for java start flags with 1.15.2 and openjdk 14, at the moment I use https://aikar.co/2018/07/02/tuning-the-jvm-g1gc-garbage-collector-flags-for-minecraft/
olive marlin
But you can also grab the Manjaro Architect and configure the hell out of your system. Although I still had to configure the disks through second session cause I couldn't get it to partition and encrypt as I wanted.
upper flicker
OFUNNY: those are the current recommendations even on java 14
OIS: yes you just run the paper jar instead of the spigot jar
tired heath
thanks
little temple
thanks for being that helpful
stone gorge
brisk leaf
solar flax
woven otter
@void void I'm a fan of your avatar and your tag
olive marlin
Long IPv4?
upper flicker
hmm?
upper flicker
well, outside of some sort of storage/transmission idk why you would use them
olive marlin
python3 -c 'import socket; print(socket.inet_ntoa(socket.inet_aton("127.1 No other place like home")))' 127.0.0.1
upper flicker
they're much less friendly and for most applications its probably a matter of "whats the real difference between a string and a long anyway"
once you unpack it you still have to re-check it anyway
olive marlin
A lot of libraries require you to pass them in IPv4 dotted-quad notation.
I've seen python's IPv4 reject everything that doesn't have 3 dots in it - even 127.1 is considered invalid.
olive marlin
The issue is, that some places (like browsers), won't allow ::1, and require [::1]...
And some have it the other way round.
# 22:39:38 prof_bloodstone@bloodbreaker MNUM3 $ :(
ping -c1 ::1
PING ::1(::1) 56 data bytes
64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.051 ms
--- ::1 ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.051/0.051/0.051/0.000 ms
# 22:39:41 prof_bloodstone@bloodbreaker MNUM3 $ :)
ping -c1 '[::1]'
ping: [::1]: Name or service not known
you should all just use 2130706433
woven otter
u
olive marlin
Let's all have just one IP address: 0!
vivid ivy
I've been looking at this sci-craft stuff and I'm seriously wondering how the hell their server even stays online with the stuff they're doing
like how is that playable with their insane farms that farm thousands of things per second, duping and making tnt explode, farming thousands of mobs
I do not understand how their server is even playable
olive marlin
Viper, wanna try my server over at 2130706433:65535 ? 😛
upper flicker
ugh look at the monster youve created
obtuse trench
olive marlin
Nope.
upper flicker
make a dns entry and you can host a UwU though
olive marlin
Ryoyo - my guess is that if they have anything "big" running - they literrally don't play on survival server. They a few times mentioned they had to stop something, so that they could work on something else in survival.
And they just spend a lot of time on their creative servers tbh.
fallen oracle
Z that better never come out of your mouth again.
waxen panther
uwu
vivid ivy
hmm
limber knotBOT
.define UwU
(TheViperShow) This command requires an API key from wordnik.com.
im angery
not anguwuy?
runs
I don't see the issue 
fallen oracle
Uh oh
celest quest
someone knows how long it can take for an map with 100k radius to be fully generated using worldborder in 1.15 ?
tropic flame
Imagine Microsoft deleting updates for older versions of Windows from their servers 💀
upper flicker
they just unpublish them
glances at the updates that deleted files, broke network adapters, etc
celest quest
oh .. those were evil , caused me some trouble .. xD
fallen oracle
Lol
tropic flame
I mean I was getting some windows XP updates to run in a virtual machine and in 108 security updates I could only download 46 using WUD
Which is very odd to say the least lol
olive marlin
AntiMaid - I don't remember how long it took us, bit it took a few hours for 20kx20k.
Let's assume it took 4 hours - then yours should take around 6.6 days since it's almost 40 times bigger lol
I might have butchered my math too.
limber knotBOT
installing bonzibuddy logics?
olive marlin
Viper - time is constant per chunk.
tropic flame
ebb, maybe 👀
celest quest
thank you , gues i just let it run in background as it isnt adding any more lag than i already got on my server ..
tropic flame
Funny thing tho I managed to find an archive around the internet with the deleted updates so
celest quest
having a pregenerated map should atleast help me and my friends when exploring , to not have any more lag than actually present , which i cant figure out why
olive marlin
>>> radius=100
>>> square_edge=20
>>> hours=4
>>> (math.pi*(radius**2)/(square_edge**2)) * hours / 24
13.089969389957473
So 13 days damn lol
shell shadow
Aikars command framework is cuter than literally everyone of you
olive marlin
Circle area - math.pi*raius**2
Square area - edge**2
This gives me a ratio on how many times longer it'll take.
Well, radius is for circles, right?
It does - they are nice. But only on dynmap. Once you start having people run around and walk into invisible borders and teleported to 0,0,0 cause in nether/end you forgot to set the spawn point again, then it's not funny.
celest quest
well i only did set it up temporary in my case to pregenerate the map to some extend
never expecting to reach that point with my friends in the near future xD
last silo
limber knotBOT
Hey @blood can you update your deprecation notice to mention that it's GP for Sponge that's deprecated? Constantly getting people asking if GP is being deprecated
stiff yarrow
It has arrived
fallen oracle
POG
void void
Ah the system integrator case
stiff yarrow
I have dust collectors in my apartment
merry talon
lol I have one right next to me
void void
I'm old fashioned, i breathe my dust
fallen oracle
Those are weird looking PC cases /s
stiff yarrow
They help for the area near them
void void
Aren't those white noise generators mainly
void void
Wait 3 why
left swift
3x the power
merry talon
The issue is
stiff yarrow
They are only really effective for areas near them
void void
My parrot is a dust machine
merry talon
For it to work I have to place it right in front of my PC's intake
left swift
Use dust collector on parrot
merry talon
..which means it's taking air away from the PC
void void
Works for the whole room as well
merry talon
case doesnt support that
left swift
Just tape it on lol
void void
I don't trust those
left swift
Roombas?
void void
Yes, creepy things
merry talon
Yeah but then the filter gets dusty
left swift
Mobile government tracking vaccums
If a filter gets dusty it's doing its job
And then u clean it
stiff yarrow
Roombas are great
merry talon
Stop trying to win this with logic
left swift
Lol
void void
This new generation is getting lazy
merry talon
do roombas have an api
void void
Oh no
left swift
The roombas have gone too far
olive marlin
void void
Just use a vacuum cleaner
left swift
Atleast we have the safety of stairs to protect us against the oncoming roombas apocalypse
olive marlin
There's python and stuff.
I think one person from work added it to their home automation suite.
void void
The API I'm assuming
I'd rather have a giant industrial vacuum cleaner
That'll filter out solder and pet smells way better
wallets blocking me
merry talon
we wouldnt have to do this if people built homes and apartments with adequate HVAC
there are still buildings going up around me with none at all
void void
I feel old, I had to Google what HVAC was
unreal quarry
hvac? here we just say "central air"
void void
You kind of have to live near a road
left swift
Valve anticheat? In ur house?
void void
Italy's messed up if ur living next to a 4 lane road
merry talon
hvac is more than just central heat or AC
no one ever talks about the cognitive effects of co2 build up
void void
Perfect thing to cheap out on
limber knotBOT
I just open my window and hope it's cooler outside than inside 
void void
I've learnt to open my window and wave my door
left swift
What if it isn't
merry talon
then you die
left swift
Sad days
unreal quarry
ya'll got some nasty systems if you get co2 buildup :3
void void
We got no systems
left swift
EU houses 
void void
I regularly perform an air movement ritual in my room
left swift
Methane
left swift
Buy a fan maybe
unreal quarry
theres only 1 spot in my entire place that doesnt get air flow, and thats the bathroom because i hate getting blasted by cold air when i'm showering so i blocked off the vents in there with cardboard
left swift
Or buy a motor and hook it up to ur door so it moves automagically like a fan
limber knotBOT
I'm so glad I'm moving out from a south-facing attic with bad isolation right now, lol
void void
I like the constantly flapping door idea
Kind defeats the purpose of a door unfortunately
left swift
Door flappers patent pending
fallen oracle
I feel that. I'm about to be moving into a house and we havd 7 or 8 computers running.
limber knotBOT
just use a proximity sensor to detect if someone is trying to use the door
void void
Apart from the electronics smell
left swift
Mmmmm love it
void void
I prefer my solder smsll
left swift
Nothing gets me more in the Christmas mood than hot metal smells
void void
Electronics always have a smell
unreal quarry
ya'll must live in cooler areas than me, I guess. we hit about 44C in the summer here, so good air is a must-have, just to not die lol
void void
Only the best dogs can smell it
void void
We hit maybe 25C when its really hot
left swift
I live in minnesota we get the best of both worlds
void void
I just know Minnesota from a TV show
left swift
Winters are very cold and summer's are very hot
left swift
Lol
void void
Every great show has a high functioning psychopath
Simpsons, how I met your mother, big bang theory etc
merry talon
you mean a high functioning sociopath
void void
They're both pathic to me
lament patio
Anything by Karoly is
waxen eagle
warm anchor
remember the old old UPS that when batteries goes bad, that smells lol
barren bobcat
lament patio
We got 10 - 30 in my city, up to like 45 depending on the part of the country
I'm happy with my average of 20
rough swift
I'm new to learning all of this and I assume I can put evidence of console warnings/errors in #paper-help if I need any assistance or just for general enquiries? Please ping me and correct me or let me know of how what works where. Thanks.
rough swift
Wicked. Also regarding the No Table role. Is that for donators for PaperMC?
upper flicker
no
rough swift
Do you guys have an area for me to donate for support or whatnot?
fallen oracle
There are no donator roles in the discord.
upper flicker
it's primarily for developers and other well known people in the community so that when they speak you know they're who they say
rough swift
Ah okay, i recognise a few faces from the old mcforums that started up with intelli
fallen oracle
Oof
merry talon
intelli is an imposter
rare herald
👀
waxen panther
vestal jasper
Taco
rough swift
Is there a fully functional world edit for 1.15.2? I'm probably asking a super obvious question 😅 but i keep springing across versions which aren't fully 1.15.2 supported.
rare herald
craggy veldt
void void
Do you know of any plugin that when you kill a mob, execute a command?
median jetty
rough swift
thanks intelli
pulsar wigeon
the real question is what versions did you come across that "arent fully 1.15 supported"
warm anchor
Wait there is other “word edit” out there??
idle valve
bleak bobcat
pulsar wigeon
static badge
slim nymph
i love how you havent fixed it
void void
fuck it, i'll keep it
proud token
solar talon
cunning raft
yeah?
gleaming rivet
someone said i had to use cron or something
cunning raft
just sudo mv /user1/file /user2/file
gleaming rivet
oh so if i wanted to move stuff from root to a sudo user, there wouldn't be any problems with permissions either?
cunning raft
sudo runs a command in super user mode
gleaming rivet
ah yeah that was what i was told "chown"
can that be done on a folder?
so all files in side also get its?
or it it every single thing
fallen oracle
-R covers all files
void void
chown's -R flag makes chown operate recursively
fallen oracle
It stands for recursive
void void
in other words it'll dig into folders etc
gleaming rivet
ah i see
targetuser would be the user the stuff got moved to right?
targetgroup dir is?
is it the dir that needs to be changed?
rough swift
Continued having issues with world edit and multiverse not working with each other correctly and our server host wasn't able to conjoin either plugin together without errors ^
gleaming rivet
so following is basically what to do:
- sudo mv /root/mcserver /mcuser/mcserver
- chown -r mcuser:mcserver
?
gleaming rivet
like that?
fallen oracle
chown -R mcuser:mcuser directory/
Gotta specify what folder you're changing the perms on
gleaming rivet
why is "mcuser" twice?
sorry about all the questions, i'm just trying to learn xD
void void
user:group
warm anchor
Owner and group
gleaming rivet
ohhh
void void
though double check the user's group
some systems don't add dedicated group for a user
gleaming rivet
and they have their own group as it was created when the user was, i see
it said it created one, so i assume it did
rough swift
Basic question. I have multiverse-core 4.1.0 set up and was wondering how to set a /spawn in one world without it teleporting me to another world. How'd I go about preventing me porting thru to another world?
void void
oh fresh account? if it indeed said it did then ya
gleaming rivet
ye
void void
elliot so you want /spawn to teleport to current world's spawn?
you can alias /spawn to /mvspawn
and grant a permisison
rough swift
yea
void void
see commands.yml for creating aliases easily
rough swift
ah okay thank you.
gleaming rivet
my plan is basically to be more safe, as running root can let plugins fuck you up xD
i knew this basically when i rented my server but i just can't be arsed to move it, but if it is as easy as that then i'm probably going to do it xD
how fast is "mv" with dynmap files?
void void
on same disk? instant
gleaming rivet
oh nice
void void
between two disks? involves copying and then later deleting
"moving", in other words renaming files
gleaming rivet
awesome, guess i know what to do tomorrow
fallen oracle
Felt so bad. Had someone delete their dynmap via FTP yesterday and they let it run overnight. I knew they had ssh access so I showed them how to do it in Linux. What took 5 hours in FTP took 3 seconds in Linux.
gleaming rivet
its more satisfying in windows anyway
warm anchor
Ayyy
void void
verbose rm rf makes things slower 1000x
fallen oracle
Still 2,000 times faster than FTP
void void
i mean yes
but slower especially if you have a lot of small files and slow terminal
then tty write blocks
fallen oracle
Look, Mark, they want to see it go brr brr with output.
waxen panther
machine go brr
willow wyvern
vestal jasper
-vv
upper flicker
I wish I could stay and spend more time with you guys, it's just Glare is too much. I can't keep coming back while Glare is here. He's just physically and emotionally draining. I can't keep forcing myself to come back while he's here. :'(
- Byte
jagged egret
oof
vestal jasper
leafs should burn
- Byte, maybe
fallen oracle
Whatever Byte is off doing I'm sure he's doing okay. We ended on good terms AFAIk.
vestal jasper
Nope. You glared at him too much.
jagged egret
just @ him and it'll be 5
fallen oracle
Naw
waxen panther
Glare be glaring rn
fallen oracle
I know better to ping
waxen panther
@ wiz[redacted]
vestal jasper
3 tbh
1st is join message
fallen oracle
I typically get permission before I ping, like Z.
vestal jasper
Glare may I ping you
fallen oracle
You may touch it, just once.
upper flicker
@vestal jasper your cat pfp was better
vestal jasper
.remind 4h cat fpf
limber knotBOT
DiscordBot: Reminder set for 4 hours from now.
fallen oracle
Hey Z is that ping if still happening still valid from yesterday?
vestal jasper
Wait it's not gonna ping me
upper flicker
uh generally yes
vestal jasper
Z can you tell botto to ping me pls
fallen oracle
~ping