#general
loud sparrow
safe mason
hey guys, so i've been doing some research on ddos mitigation services and i've tried a lot of hardware and kernel solutions and none of them really helped me (i was trying to implement those to my non-profitable minecraft hosting) via gre tunneling (only way to implement hardware solutions since i resell hetzner, cheap, without giving away server's real ip)
i'm doing some research on cloud solutions but i'd like some recommendations
safe mason
so if anyone has experience with these, can you please recommend me some that are actually cheap considering i'm trying to provide services such as 1e/gb for people in need?
twin lagoon
don't bother with cloud solutions
safe mason
does it work with a shared hosting?
safe mason
how would i go about making it work for all my clients
twin lagoon
to implement it nicely with your hosting
safe mason
hm
twin lagoon
they are working on their own REST api
safe mason
that's interesting
twin lagoon
it's free aswell
safe mason
i didn't trust this sort of solution at first because i found really really little amount on information about it
but if you recommend it, i'll contact them to make out something
wicked birch
safe mason
Yeah, I've seen that a lot of major minecraft use it, I've contacted them.
vernal moth
If you use tcpshield, be sure to donate
safe mason
Well if I'm going to make a deal with them for an enterprise type solution, I think I will be obligated to pay. Even if I'm not, I will, I've wasted a lot of money trying out different solutions.
Keep in mind that the idea of our hosting is sort of a "non-profitable", it pays for itself and we don't get any money out of it.
vernal moth
Iirc tcp shield runs completly off of donations
Aka there is one big server that pays a bunch and everybody else just free rides, lol
safe mason
Yeah, I've read the site. It's really bold to be making that sort of a service but at the same time I'm really glad it's there.
trail dome
void void
heady spear
bobcat's obsession with PlotSquared is worse than mine
I should make a website with all my screenshots of him bashing us everywhere =))
vernal moth
What's his issue?
heady spear
he brings us up anywhere, like you'll be browsing a random spigot thread and there he'll be, telling everyone how worthless we are
wide chasm
Probably feature creep
vernal moth
I mean, not the first time that guy is showed being stupid anyways
heady spear
His issue is with me personally, but he also likes to bring up how the plotme migrator was broken and how he needed to write his own migrator
not understanding the irony of that
first of all, why would you want to migrate to a shittier plugin?
and if you know how to make it better, why not contribute?
vernal moth
Oh ok, if it's personal issues with you I can understand that
heady spear
He constantly brags about how good of an engineer he is and how he has better coding standards than everyone else
heady spear
but he hasn't made a single contribution to anything
vernal moth
Isn't he old old?
heady spear
he is.
vestal jasper
He claims to have made his own migrator yet complains endlessly about how theirs is broken. Yet never contributed the fix. 
heady spear
Too old for this petty shit
wide chasm
He mainly writes in C - could be that he just isn't experienced in Java. Then again, I'd find it strange if the migrator wasn't made in Java, so...
vestal jasper
Stef he's been actively contributing to a plugin recently
vestal jasper
He said it was made in java
heady spear
^that was in a thread about a random hacker kid getting arrested
wide chasm
Then he's just dumb for not making a PR
vernal moth
300 issues + 1
heady spear
vernal moth
😂 😂
ashen cliff
Is he using an offline mode server?
vestal jasper
He's using 1.8
wide chasm
CraftBukkit 1.8.8 in 2018, hmmm
ashen cliff
Death to 1.8.
vernal moth
Oh so no fucks given
vestal jasper
Ooo development!
heady spear
vernal moth
Can't you lock that thread?
drowsy cliff
guys why combat log crash when player do pvp ?
heady spear
nah you can't lock resource threads
vestal jasper
City you can bring up the paper thing too and gain extra sympathy 
ashen cliff
So he made a memcheck plugin, but he is using Essentials that already has that build in?
safe mason
I love the "So I could compile it myself, but they use Gradle." part. What, it's hard to compile it if it's not using Maven?
heady spear
o right my favorite thread of his
safe mason
And the website, really state of the art.
vestal jasper
He also shits on c++
Prob because he's a c elitist
heady spear
Him and that mrflory dude or w/e both constantly whine about paper suggestions :]
bobcat likes to blame all issues on paper
safe mason
Ohhhh bobcat is a Karen.
mossy vessel
posts tons of screenshots still
mossy vessel
He sends you a lot
quasi valley
peipa bad
heady spear
:((( NMF you meme about him as much as I do smd
he just keeps popping up everywhere
he's like herpes tbh
vernal moth
He dum
worn ember
Just ignore him like your parents do for you
heady spear
my mom called me yesterday to ask for money
latent valve
vernal moth
Heck
heady spear
no one is ignoring me 👀
worn ember
Did you give her money
heady spear
yes
vernal moth
Gotta share that block game money!
worn ember
Good
heady spear
I won't be able to afford my rent this summer tho
I should stop sponsoring random idiots on the internet
mossy vessel
I need the $1/month
vernal moth
Heh
vernal moth
Am not getting any work work done
Instead I get drunk and wrong on mc shit all night 😂
heady spear
fucking same
I've finished hyperverse but I've barely gotten through the initial chapter in my mechanics book 😐
vernal moth
But man, that's an inspirational quote
solemn dome
vernal moth
As someone who never finished shit
heady spear
You finished your brig PR, now we just need to give aikar 2 years to merge it 😛
Huge personal growth there 🤣
heady spear
I found that my motivation comes and goes. I get really interested in my projects for a couple of months and then I just lose interest altogether and either leave them forever, or for a year
especially if I'm the only one working on something then RIP that project lol
vernal moth
Same
pallid reef
west elbow
how to fix
gaunt ridge
hey, does anyone here know a economy plugin that shows the money in "k"? It should work without vault
i mean 1000 = 1k
olive garden
isn't 1e3=1000?
vernal moth
Well, it's 1x10^3
olive garden
10^3=1000
but XeY stands for X*10^Y
wide chasm
Yeah, so 1e3.
heady spear
oh the plebs notation
Ah yes, SI suffixes for the plebeians
that almost sounded American 👀
whole prawn
still mortar
i have the same problem dude T_T
modest minnow
limber knotBOT
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west elbow
@west elbow i have the same prolem dude
@still mortar
yours fixed?
quasi valley
quoting a quote directly from above
heady spear
quoting a quote directly from above
@quasi valley haha ye that’s weird
quasi valley
@quasi valley haha ye that’s weird
@heady spear
don't you dare
heady spear
@heady spear
don't you dare
@quasi valley why would you ping me wtf
quasi valley
@quasi valley why would you ping me wtf
@heady spear
I will report you to wiz!!
sadly no pingception tho
heady spear
@heady spear
I will report you to wiz!!
@quasi valley yeah you should ping him and tell him about it
dapper nacelle
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```I think we have some people working here with broken Englishworst part is that I have to consult with my senior dev if I am making changes that fall out of the scope of my task
void blade
wanton badger
wide chasm
"verb" + "ed", looks correct to me /s
void void
germans seem to always know more english than me
hallow smelt
wheat hamlet
gleaming rivet
Anyone using hetzner here, that use their stateless firewall?
latent valve
this?
gleaming rivet
Yes
latent valve
i havent figure it our yet lmao was setting it up but it just chuck all connection ¯_(ツ)_/¯
jade light
What’s an stateful firewall?
latent valve
yea
latent valve
quiet grail
still mortar
not
@still mortar
yours fixed?
@west elbow not, the problem getting worse, more and more player have that issue
west elbow
rip
latent valve
🤔 might try it tonight.
gleaming rivet
Is there a predefined for minecraft?
latent valve
no xD
gleaming rivet
Fuck
latent valve
one way to find out xD
limber knotBOT
latent valve
O.o ember got cucked
chilly river
still mortar
how to fix
@west elbow bump
gaunt ridge
Is there any PlaceholderAPI placeholder to show it in thousands? 130000 to 130k
devout lintel
sharp sentinel
Lol I feel the newest snapshot will 100% piss people off, https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-20w18a
(Redstone behavioural changes)
sharp sentinel
This one looks like it'll cause the most anger, I've seen this used a lot
top is before, bottom is after
pulsar wigeon
they did say this would happen
sharp sentinel
Yeah
Although the fact that it now only provides power to blocks it is facing indicates that it'll only update blocks it is facing
Which is a huge improvement in terms of block updates
The real question now is whether the Spigot redstone event will work in 1.16 🙂
sharp sentinel
I mean if redstone was reworked, due to md_5's track record of just removing hooks rather than updating them it's quite possible the redstone event just stops working entirely
peak dirge
I'm fairly certain Paper 1.16 is going to get a patch to restore the old redstone behavior
quasi valley
why paper do that
sharp sentinel
Nah md_5 only keeps compat in areas he cares about
redstone is not one of those areas
So there's a pretty large chance the event just full on stops working in most cases. Like the recipe API
chilly river
please some help on #waterfall-help
quasi valley
is that a joke or not
potent fossil
that is not a joke
potent fossil
i can say that the symptoms are not like the movies with clutching chest
it is in fact much scarier
void void
how much caffeine is too much?
quasi valley
that's a slight oops indeed
pulsar wigeon
did you just shoot up caffeine tf
sharp sentinel
Oof
potent fossil
plus i had coffee earlier in the day
potent fossil
but yeah, that was fun i guess
pulsar wigeon
was gonna say 1000mg is like 15 espressos prob
energy drinks basically count as shooting up caffeine tbh
potent fossil
interestingly, my heart didnt hurt
my left arm, shoulder to palm hurt horribly and my i had terrible jaw pain felt like a toothache
and my heart was beating at like
190bpm
was good
latent valve
jeeez
potent fossil
anyway yeah be careful with caffeine kids
sharp sentinel
Never seen someone describe a heart attack as good ngl
potent fossil
i mean at least im alive
zinc falcon
sharp sentinel
True yeah
potent fossil
now i just added $1200 to my debt though
so ripperoni
not worth the $10 i paid for those energy drinks
sharp sentinel
Idk how much that'd cost here - I assume it'd be free tbh
potent fossil
idk
sharp sentinel
Ambulance is free, public hospital stay is free, emergency medical care is free
potent fossil
i got a EKG, blood test for Troponin or whatever it's called, and a urine test plus got hooked up to a central line
sharp sentinel
Idk what else is involved
void void
i'm suprised it's legal for energy drinks to have that much caffeine
potent fossil
so, $1200 smackeroos
olive garden
it would be free here, but we do have to pay a percentage of our income every month
sharp sentinel
When I broke my foot all the hospital stuff, xrays, and follow up appointments were free
But that's a lot less involved than that
potent fossil
well
i wish i lived in Aus then
lmao
anyway i was still having symptoms when the billing lady walked in and started asking me insurance questions
it was surreal
void void
guess you're insurances gone up then
potent fossil
like, my arm was still hurting and my i was lightheaded still and she's like
"do u have insurance"
"will you be making a payment today"
im like can you fuck off please
olive garden
can't you actually say that?
potent fossil
i did say that
olive garden
oh nice
potent fossil
she left and came back later
anyway yeah im gonna take a caffeine hiatus
was good shit, glad to be ok. whatever
sharp sentinel
Yeah that's a pretty smart decision
void void
try adding a ton of salt to any coffee you drink
it'll put you off it for a long time
potent fossil
when i was doing keto i added salted butter to my coffee
quite enjoyed it actually
sharp sentinel
wtf
potent fossil
so not sure thatll work
sharp sentinel
butter in coffee
potent fossil
yeah its a keto thing
void void
ok, don't add butter, just salt
potent fossil
but having a heart attack is a good reason to not drink
i dont need any other reason
that wasnt fun
im just having water lol
void void
waters the best drink
limber bough
sharp sentinel
I think I'll stick to my single coffee a day, and not go over that
potent fossil
eventually i may go back to that, but yeah just a single coffee.
i had two coffees and 3 energy drinks so
stupidity
pure wagon
quasi valley
I have my good old cappucino with like .6% coffeeine lol
void void
shouldn't be legal for energy drinks to have that much caffeine
quasi valley
yeah
sharp sentinel
I think worst I ever did was 2 coffees, 1 modafinil tablet, 10micrograms of LSD, and 2 beers
That was a horrid day
calm mica
PaperMC 1 12 2 can work with plugins and mods?
sharp sentinel
Also I was watching a fireworks display
latent valve
Zimple not strong
potent fossil
latent valve
sharp sentinel
And my watch gave me a high heart rate warning of 190bps
potent fossil
it can work with plugins @calm mica not mods. however it is not supported so you're on your own. good luck.
well damn
i guess you have a strong heart idk
sharp sentinel
I mean I never plan on trying that again, I could very much feel that my body was not coping
potent fossil
:p
sharp sentinel
So I guess the moral of the story is don't do drugs 🙂
Rebasing creates new commits
If the machine you rebased from doesn’t sign commits, you lose the verified tag
Rebasing quite literally applies the patches of the commits in order, on the new branch
If you make a merge commit it’ll work - but it’s messy and creates a merge commit
But otherwise not really - why do you need to retain the same IDs?
Then rebase the other PR off master
sharp sentinel
Or don’t make PRs that build off other PRs
pulsar wigeon
^^
void void
wet bane
sharp sentinel
I’d recommend reading up on various git flows and choose one you like, and learn how it works etc
chilly river
please some help #waterfall-help
sharp sentinel
But you want to keep the commit IDs between your dev and master branches the same. So merge with merge commits, or cherry pick individual commits for hot fixes
But make sure to merge master back to dev every time you release with a merge commit
slim nymph
yeah never use rebase in a team env
dev and master make sense for scheduled releases
we just use master and production instead at work
every 2 weeks we hard reset production to what master is currently at
the friday before is a semi code freeze, monday is bug fixes only
but yeah you just ensure when your near wanting to release, keep master/dev stable, then cut over when your comfortable
then keep larger breaking changesi n branches
small commits dont need branches yeah
we dont use branches for most of our work, just long term stuff that is likely to span multiple sprints like the rebuilding of our architecture I just did
I just merged it to master last sprint, testing in staging today, and hopefully production on monday 😄
yep
this merge I did was huge. massive architectural rework
was months of work
so mondays gonna be a big day for me
my dream will finally be complete
10~ years ago I wanted to build a node.js framework to simplify horizontal scaling
using some mentality of Erlang OTP, where you just write code, and you dont know where its going to execute you dont care. the system handles load distribution
in 2017-2018 I got to start building that for my dayjob. but minus one portion of how I wanted to build it - utilizing a mesh network.
potent fossil
it will be OSS aikar?
slim nymph
cue 2019, kafka starts becoming very kafkaesque. so start of this year, I was given green light to finish it to my full picture using a mesh network, and it's now done.
@potent fossil pending legal sign off
I'm the first to ask to open source something
jagged egret
There's an event for pistons extending, right?
potent fossil
sounds very cool, i've heard you describe it before
jagged egret
that's right
slim nymph
this framework takes care of like every damn thing youd need ina production quality nodejs deployment
potent fossil
yea, i'd love to check it out and even potentially use it
jagged egret
also zAikar I made a custom task chain factory that's just the same as your implementation and switched out the thread pool for a fixed one; I put all the right attributions and everything so I hope that's okay
slim nymph
im curious how much itll disrupt the mentality of the javascript community.
potent fossil
i hardly use php, i used it to write the new spigot website api. no framework, just wrote it all out. just as bad as i remember
JS really isn't bad, honestly
jagged egret
no, php is terrible
slim nymph
js community seems to hate classes and oop
jagged egret
what do y'all think of typescript
slim nymph
so itll be fun to see how they react to me pushing oop hard with this 😉
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js community
jagged egret
is there an event for when a piston fails to extend?
slim nymph
I use flow, but only because as we got started in js ecosystem we were working with contractors helping us get started using React, and it was just "follow the Facebook train"
and plus flow has its perks
flow still being normal js instead of requirng a separate compiler is nice for simple integration into a babel process
thats where flow/ts comes inzbk
type most of your code, only make it loose where needed
use typescript if your getting started. its more adopted
flow is the underdog
typescript requires entire project to be TS though, flow can be used conditionally per file or even per method
which is why we also use flow
easier to incrementally move a project to flow, than to rewrite an entire project in TS
jagged egret
@void void would that event be even fired tho
i have to leave in 2 minutes D:
lol
otherwise I would've
cool cheers
slim nymph
@potent fossil as part of my rearchitecture, now have full metrics support too 😉 got all the data in graphite now
timings, gauges, meters, counters, histogram
potent fossil
nice!
static badge
hm maybe aikar will be node famous
slim nymph
timings just a combo of histograms and meters
static badge
or maybe it'll be another one of those "standards" things...
slim nymph
there isnt actually anything close to this spotted, which is one of the big isues in node lol
theres like 100+ shutdown libraries, all the popular ones do it wrong, the ones that do it right are barely used.
shutdown is such a mess in node
static badge
well I can say if I'm gonna be writing node I'll look into that framework
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legal
slim nymph
err well, MY bosses, i think stil gotta go to the highest level CTO
our companies so big multiple CTO's lol
potent fossil
yeah the bank i worked at had multiple CTOs as well
california cto reported to north america cto reported to worldwide cto
the whole c-level was like that
cosmic musk
is there way to know which voting site is bringing you most new players
vernal moth
no
quasi valley
just throw a trojan onto your user's pcs and find out
slim nymph
ok mason
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mild kiln
stiff totem
vernal moth
@sturdy wing sorry to tag you, but it looks like cadixdev mercury is not deployed to sonatype anymore (even tho the last travis run was 5 months ago), do you mind investigating?
wait, it is, but its kinda broken?
limber knotBOT
that moment when you get pinged
it seems to have been here all the time: https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots/org/cadixdev/ but I restarted travis anyway
vernal moth
wut
slim nymph
while your here, that maven shade plugin you added for log4j cache file, is there any alternative thats not so tightly coupled to the shade version lol
vernal moth
then wtf did gradle complain about for?!
slim nymph
md5 updated the shade plugin version and it broke it, but thankfully I found updated version of that plugin to get it fixed
vernal moth
thanks
fading flame
limber knotBOT
Aikar: idk, maven sucks, doesn't it?
MiniDigger: a minute ago https://oss.sonatype.org/content/groups/public/org/cadixdev/ was redirecting me to maven central for some really weird reason, and then it suddenly stopped
very weird
it must have changed some setting with the new deployment, lol
vernal moth
ok, I thought I was going insane here
am gonna use mercury to remap paper to mojang mappings using gradle/kotlin 😄
I used srg2source to far but mercury was suggested and it supports more input formats
limber knotBOT
I would recommend using https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots/ (not groups/public/) if you don't do that already
so you get releases from maven central
vernal moth
I do use snapshots
limber knotBOT
Well, Mercury was designed to remap Spigot/Paper so it definitely is a better choice :)
vernal moth
no like the actual usage of it
limber knotBOT
I used this: https://gist.github.com/Minecrell/c5c7cce453d8913c7f3c9176542ee8a6, BridgeMethodRewriter/AccessTransformerRewriter/AccessAnalyzerProcessor were Spigot quirks for moving to other packages (that I just put into Mercury for now)
it's quite straightforward I think
vernal moth
ah ok, thanks, ill play around with it
misty laurel
Hey
My server crashed for some reason, could anyone tell me why? Here's my crash report: https://pastebin.com/gnD6TTgh
limber knotBOT
Eww BSG
slim nymph
fuck you !
limber knotBOT
Lul
slim nymph
anyone who doesn't like BSG is DEAD to me
misty laurel
Do you know what the error is tho?
limber knotBOT
Guess I am a ghost then
misty laurel
oh
slim nymph
update your server 1.14 is very bad to be on
unique umbra
limber knotBOT
Go away you slug
quasi valley
okay :(
sonic granite
misty laurel
@slim nymph is it only FAWE causing the issue?
latent valve
FastAsyncWorldError
i tested with worldedit and no problem with that // thought it was the block ticking stuff
golden gust
You provided a singular crash
at the top of said singular crash, FAWE shit the bed
There is literally nothing more in there
(nor are you running a supported version of paper, for that matter)
limber knotBOT
Rebel scum
unreal quarry
@void void armorstand probably rides the player
kindred kettle
faint scarab
vale lake
still bronze
gleaming rivet
@latent valve you were gonna try that firewall thing right?
please let me know if you succeed
latent valve
sure
cursive viper
latent valve
i got EX52
latent valve
well that SUCKS
latent valve
cough
ashen cliff
11?
golden gust
Stick to an LTS, generally
latent valve
cmon
ashen cliff
Oh no.
golden gust
mfw
gleaming rivet
where do i grab it from?
wide chasm
Where I work all PCs have Java 6 installed 🙂
limber knotBOT
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wide chasm
Hotspot
latent valve
dum danish run
gleaming rivet
SHHH
gleaming rivet
reee so i have to upload the file?
latent valve
krusic22 u use hetzner right?
radiant iron
gleaming rivet
reee so i have to upload the file?
and then what?
latent valve
gleaming rivet
i'm serious
lament palm
static badge
breakpoints generally have a shit load of overhead
vernal moth
use breakpoints they said
static badge
even if you don't hit them
vernal moth
its easier then sysout they said
latent valve
anyone here use hetzner firewall? in user panel?
ashen cliff
ashen cliff
adoptopenjdk-11-hotspot
gleaming rivet
ty
ashen cliff
Can we somehow merge this into 
: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/50758
gleaming rivet
ty
quasi valley
my brother's graphics card stopped working
so I opened the pc up, shook the cables a bit like the pro I am
works™️
limber knotBOT
sign that it probably needs to be cleaned
quasi valley
yeah I took that sign to also clean mine for the first time in 3 years lol
limber knotBOT
lol
quasi valley
crackerman
jagged egret
I used to get random freezing issues with a desktop of mine, and windows 10's system integrity checker always found issues
Cleaned the CPU heatsink and everything was fine again
Frickn windows
ashen cliff
You need something like this:
ashen cliff
You can still smell it after 3 years.
void void
melting plastic is not a fun time
slow hull
Guys help
slow hull
7zip bae
wide chasm
Better than winrar
left swift
there's literally no reason at all to ever use 1.14
void void
it's better to use .zip normall
slow hull
why not .tgz
slow hull
Don't use windows then
void void
nearly every platform supports zip
slow hull
Simple solution
ashen cliff
Is there any other TG station?
void void
i know, i don't
ashen cliff
🟠 = bad.
slow hull
also that download is a world backup from a long time ago lol
1.14 trash
1.15 has bees
and uh
A cave update
ashen cliff
Cave Air
wide chasm
Void air best air
Fine, I'll be "legacy attached pumpkin stem" then.
Or whatever it's called.
wide chasm
I think I'm most excited to see what stuff will be marked as deprecated in 1.16 and then never removed tbh.
latent valve
@gleaming rivet think i got it working..
pulsar wigeon
or better, not marked as deprecated but just removed anyway
gleaming rivet
😮 @latent valve
wide chasm
I'm still trying to figure out what bullshit is the most fun to deal with: bytecode modifications for unnecessary support or instant removal of API without replacement. I'm leaning towards the former tbh.
quasi valley
indeed
I'd rather have breaking api than atrocious legacy api support 
let's see how exactly md implements rgb colors, if at all, for 1.8-1.15
wide chasm
I'm still honestly hoping for the 16 million enum values. It's never gonna happen, but still.
quasi valley
fun fact, vanilla block states have gone from ~11k in 1.15.2 to 17k in the snapshots
latent valve
not so fun fact Kenny is upside down
quasi valley
wow upsidedownist >:(
wide chasm
They should just make Minecraft upside down, would be much better.
Kenny and Dinnerbone would agree.
latent valve
just FLIP YOUR SCREEN UP SIDE DOWN
latent valve
who even use table?? lol
quasi valley
the notables don't
sacred hedge
quasi valley
but we scrubs do
wide chasm
Cries on table
vernal moth
does somebody know if there is a proguard mapping importer for lorenz?
quasi valley
lorenz?
quasi valley
they are, yea
vernal moth
guess I need to implement my own
uff
mmmmh
mmmmmmmmh
cant I convert from proguard -> tsrg with simple text replace? 😄
ok ok ok ill do this properly 😂
shadow portal
Would someone please tell me the differences between paper and spigot? I need some good arguments to show to my "boss" so we can switch back to paper! 😄
vernal moth
install paper, show him the tps, done
vernal moth
show him mspt then
shadow portal
mspt? Also I cant install it because of her, she says no because she thinks spigot is better
green turret
Why?
wide chasm
Milliseconds per tick.
quasi valley
then immediately seise your friendship
vernal moth
well, you can tell her that every big server runs paper or a derivate and that spigot is a sinking ship
just async chunk loading alone makes paper vastly superior
shadow portal
That part I could go with! Thanks!
lament patio
Show her how often performance updates are put out, too
quasi valley
inb4 "that only shows how unstable it is!!"
green turret
You could also spiderman pointing at spiderman her. "Why should we stay on Spigot?"
quasi valley
lol
limber knotBOT
huh MiniDigger was just looking to get ahold of you :p
any chance you could hop on irc, or I guess I could add you on discord
fallen oracle
Uh oh, he's in trouble.
limber knotBOT
MiniDigger get on irc
nothing like that Glare :p I'm the author of much of the cadix tooling (lorenz as an example)
quasi valley
he's often lurking there, you might as well send him a private message on irc
limber knotBOT
i did, the above messages on discord were after though
vernal moth
am unreachable!
slim nymph
@shadow portal well also the fact Paper is used by more 1.15 servers than Spigot, and has a bigger (project) developer community, works with other projects including mojang, has at least 3-5+ dupe fixes that Spigot doesn't, should be pretty damn compelling.
Use spigot if you want to have dupe bugs
shadow portal
Sold it 😄 I will just take a backup (just in case) then Ill get to install it 😄
void void
i mean paper still has lots of dupe bugs
quasi valley
"lots"
slim nymph
if your talking about carpet and rails. yeah the never ending dupes lol
but they are on my radar too
but im not aware of any "choose any item to dupe"
quasi valley
blockplace is when a player places a block
slim nymph
i should put a disable 0 tick pistons config in paper, but just default it off
then people can turn it on to break all piston dupes too
downside is it breaks redstone machines that depend on 0 tick pistons, but players can work around it
ive had 0 tick disabled for years, they lived with it
honestly had very little complaints
and guess what, ive had no dupe issues 😛
also disabled entities going through portals too. the damn donkey dupe was first one to ever hit us but thankfuly only 1 player, which got banned.
shadow portal
I love your work! ^^ How do you even manage?
Neither do I, and that fudge things up
quasi valley
ah that's why it sucks to hard
well so you know the easy fix - remove the custom background and your code quality will increase by 300%
easy
void void
aikar i'm suprised only one person tried donkey duping. you must have a much nicer community than on the servers i play on
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maybe they know that by attempting it it'll get fixed on every server running 1.15.2 paper
quasi valley
what did he do
still swallow
ancient bolt
He has stomatitis
A gum disease that isn't really treatable for cats
Is there a browser plugin to show the git branch graph on GitHub?
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rip
limber knotBOT
demoncat no :c
rancid escarp
noble stratus
merry talon
also rip your wallet
ancient bolt
The operation costs $2k and the appointment today which did blood work and got some medication for him cost $400
So yeah yay
pulsar wigeon
you specifically? or someone with more than one brain cell and some understanding of how html works?
golden gust
CSS is easy
Actually getting it to work the way you want it, hf
The good news is that IE is dead
quasi valley
on that note, when's the new edge browser going into proper windows updates/releases?
void void
you can learn any language quickly, problem comes when having to use it
pulsar wigeon
malbolge
void void
english pls
quasi valley
bless you
golden gust
the trick for CSS is trying random rules and googling for the answers and having a total breakdown before finially getting it to work
works 99% of the time
void void
what happens the 1% of the time?
golden gust
0.01% of the time it's a trivial fix
0.99%, that's basically the dev equivilent of the britney video
upper flicker
kenny blesses people now?
void void
apparenlty, did it to me 2 mins ago
marsh ice
limber knotBOT
nah, was in reponse to wiz' "malbolge" 😂
void void
meh, i'll remember kenny as the guy who blessed me
quasi valley
quasi valley
yesterday I learned that "gesundheit" is actually a properly acceptable word in american english?
pulsar wigeon
lol idk
quasi valley
at least my american prof told me so
void void
i think so
void void
interestingly, kenny is teaching me new english words, yet i've lived in england all my life
and kennys german
pulsar wigeon
what, like malbolge
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge -- Malbolge - Wikipedia: "Malbolge is a public domain esoteric programming language invented by Ben Olmstead in 1998, named after the eighth circle of hell in Dante's Inferno,..."
void void
a while ago you taught me some word for taking a building
quasi valley
uhh what was that
void void
the one i'm meant to be window cleaning
quasi valley
no idea, I have the memory of a goldfish
void void
annexing
quasi valley
that's more like taking proper land/area by force
void void
well when you take the land by force, you're probably taking the stuff on it as well
quasi valley
indeed
latent valve
O.o
void void
does it work?
limber knotBOT
dat wrong indentation
void void
mfw
limber knotBOT
I just looked at the github diff xD
actually looks worse if you have your browser set to 8 spaces tabs, lol
quasi valley
yeah looks really oof in my browser
limber knotBOT
also apparently the pluses break with my script https://i.phoenix616.dev/z8XqeX0.gif
ah, I removed them on purpose. interesting
quasi valley
did you make diffs of diffs less painfull?
cinder sedge
limber knotBOT
ah, there is a padding-right in the .blob-code-inner now that wasn't there before
that's why it isn't alligend properly
quasi valley
a stylish theme I use makes them a bit nicer at least https://i.imgur.com/EoHvSSG.png
or rather more visible
quasi valley
quasi valley
:(
huh was stylus once branded with the same name or is it a derivative of stylish, its description has an old GH url https://github.com/schomery/stylish-chrome
limber knotBOT
you still use spaces, viper
upper flicker
stylus is a fork or a clone or something of the original stylish
which went commercial and started tracking users by default or something
limber knotBOT
yeah, stylus is a fork
upper flicker
there was drama
quasi valley
alrighty, I'll try stylus 🤔
limber knotBOT
they both have an inbuilt search for new styles on the site. stylish loads (or loaded) them all the time even if you didn't open the window just by visiting the site sending a query to the stylish website. the author didn't think it was a problem so people (who probably had other issues too I would assume) started a fork which doesn't do that
quasi valley
Your questionable browsing history should remain between you, and whichever family member stumbles across it should you neglect to delete it.
I already love it
golden gust
and that's why I use filevault
terse nacelle
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) ****MJ|Session: **✖ **mojang.com: **✖ **MC|Session: **✔ **MJ|Account: **✔ **MJ|AuthServer: **✔ **MC|Textures: **✔ **api.mojang.com: **✔ **MC|Website: ✖
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.mojang
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) ****MJ|Session: **✖ **mojang.com: **✖ **MC|Session: **✔ **MJ|Account: **✔ **MJ|AuthServer: **✔ **MC|Textures: **✔ **api.mojang.com: **✖ **MC|Website: ✖
golden gust
.mcs
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weird fucking alias
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Online: account.mj, authserver.mj, session.mc, textures.mc Offline: api.mj, minecraft.net, mojang.com, sessionserver.mj
upper flicker
tell discord to use a better emoji font?
upper flicker
no the bot cant
its an IRC bot, in IRC it uses your system emojis
which are green on my system so they look great
granite salmon
They blend with background for me too.
golden gust
That's a dumcord issue
upper flicker
Discord went and uses a stupid font for their emojis, and for some reason that font uses black emojis
upper flicker
if you request is "rewrite the irc bot because discord is stupid" the answer is no
upper flicker
if your request is "make the bridge bot translate them" the answer is fuck no
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what's your guys' favourite emote
golden gust
discord could ez change that
upper flicker
its not my bot
upper flicker
cloudbot fails us again
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speaking of bots
upper flicker
or whatever weird fork xd is on
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anyone getting this trying to connect to spigotmc irc
Connection failed (certificate has expired.? (10))
upper flicker
yes their cert is dead
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wtf is this
upper flicker
expired even
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fucking rip
fallen oracle
How to type certbot renew in terminal.
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well letting certs expire is kinda 
how am I supposed to write irc never forgets
!stats
limber knotBOT
Uptime: 0 days, 16 hours, 39 minutes, 9 seconds
Message Handling: 13ms / 1ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 177 (5%)
Messages from Discord: 3731 (95%)
upper flicker
I bitched to the bot operator
stiff yarrow
anyone want to buy a used 2070 gtx
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you upgrading?
wild cloud
stiff yarrow
I think I'm technically downgrading game wise
but going from nvidia to amd
tbh I'm tempted to just ship it to one of you for free
I don't really need the money
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give it to z
latent valve
👀
upper flicker
z doesnt wanna go back to nvidia drivers
upper flicker
It's a vega64 btw
latent valve
:o
upper flicker
not that it really makes a difference when you can flash a 56 up to a 64 anyway
latent valve
🤣 🤣 😂
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z isn't that thing a fucking furnace
upper flicker
I mean I assume there's some amount of silicon lottery
nope runs fine
never hear the fans, and when I do its no hotter than my gtx970 was
stiff yarrow
I tease a free 500 dollar gpu and not one person jumps on it because its nvidia 
latent valve
Can it bake a cake? That the question 👀
upper flicker
and it runs a lot nicer than my 970 so
stiff yarrow
I need a gpu with 3x DP and AMD drivers
latent valve
golden gust
"Good thing I got some spare rubbers to protect my rear end" ~ AvE
stiff yarrow
is vega64 the thing to get for amd
latent valve
Just throw it in the dishwasher or wascator
stiff yarrow
buying amd is so confus
fallen oracle
🥵
upbeat arrow
celest coyote
5600 xt gigabyte windforce has 3dp + hdmi
stiff yarrow
good bye X
mighty epoch
BTW: Wasnt THICC series the worst?
upper flicker
I thought it was a meme
ancient bolt
Ur a meme
upper flicker
😦
some of the founder edition/anniversary edition stuff looks cool though
if youve got money to blow on looking cool
I suppose most people at that level probably do
peak dirge
I heard the THICCs had some god awful cooling, which they seemed to have fixed now though.
waxen panther
tbf founder editions aren't meant to be well priced
jagged egret
@stiff yarrow you really giving away that GPU for free?
stiff yarrow
if you pay for shipping sure, but I'm going to wait for my new gpu to arrive
void void
jagged egret
Aight can you accept my friend request? I'll dm you
void void
oh damn it i missed an oppporutniy for free gpu
if iso won't pay for shipping, i'll pay
proper field
strong void
unkempt monolith
vocal bronze
edgy bolt
Hey guys, I am new to the whole server hosting scene but I have been doing a lot of research on paper, plugins, and hosts. I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations for a server host for about 10-20 people running paper 1.15 + 20 plugins at most. I was thinking PebbleHost Premium 10Gb plan since it seems to be a reasonable price
twin lagoon
that's fine
jagged egret
although tbh there are so many variables
kindred spear
edgy bolt
yeah, 10gb refers to the ram
worthy osprey
modest gorge
whats the goto server auto-rebooter software these days
jagged egret
cron
modest gorge
but that's just scheduled right, not after potential crashes
jagged egret
Oh. you can configure a restart script in spigot.yml
latent valve
while true
do
###some java###
done
ok, cool. what do you use for the cron
twin lagoon
don't configure a restart script in spigot.yml
just do a while true loop yeah
i've always used this plugin on 1.14+
does the job
use that in combination with a looping script and you're golden
void void
until you get a crash loop ha
void void
i'd probably put in some logic so that if crash a few times within a short period of time, spam owners email
limber knotBOT
I get a telegram message from a bot each time one of my servers starts up again xD
nice way to know if stuff crashed =D
twin lagoon
imagine having any alerts
jagged egret
Ooooo thank you I completely forgot what that thing was called
limber knotBOT
well munin has alerts too but I don't really have any good way setup to detect if a server is down, lol
(beyond player count I guess but not all my servers have players all the time so ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
I guess I could use a "server responds to ping or doesn't" graph and then check if it's 0 for alerts xD)
I mean my current way works, I just get spammed when there is a crash loop xD
also the server being up doesn't mean it's playable so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
e.g. I have a separate plugin to check if all required plugins are loaded before players are allowed to join
so if one of those fails to enable it's essentials "down" xD
worn ember
turbid spire
boreal jewel
limber knotBOT
oh wow, didn't know github could display csv files Oo
fallow viper
potent fossil
example phoenix616?
stiff yarrow
I've been editing maven build scripts and fixing imports for the last hour 💩
limber knotBOT
can you please reopen this
yet still can't provide any evidence that the issue is occurring.
context? xD
unkempt monolith
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limber knotBOT
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