Not even necessarily the permissions plugin, actually
#general
jagged egret
unreal quarry
Does your server allow creative mode?
jagged egret
Why
polar sonnet
Whever you try to execute a command towards him
the message that blocks it from the command says CastveMC blocked the execution of this commna
The command defined in ultra perms
prefix*
That is shady af
jagged egret
Anything in your console?
unreal quarry
Does it say that if console issues the commands?
jagged egret
honestly first I'd say ban him, figure out where the backdoor comes from later
unreal quarry
Also, Op isn't a permission/rank. Best to properly setup your permissions to your account/rank
jagged egret
"he said" who said?
potent fossil
if anyone wants a kekload of textbooks, springer is giving away 408 of em https://www.reddit.com/r/learnmachinelearning/comments/fvncjm/springer_is_giving_free_access_to_409_of_its/
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Springer is giving free access to 409 of its scientific books during... : learnmachinelearning - 138 comments, 814 points - alexgand, 12d ago
potent fossil
quick python script will get em all for you
polar sonnet
Cant tp to him anything
polar sonnet
Im aware
unreal quarry
Drop his IP in the firewall
polar sonnet
1 sec then
unreal quarry
Speaking of FW drops, I had to drop all of Philippines earlier this week :3
potent fossil
why?
unreal quarry
Bots, all using PH ips
fallen oracle
PornHub IPs?
polar sonnet
If I drop the IP does he disconnect?
fallen oracle
Oh
potent fossil
philippines
fallen oracle
Sorry didn't read up
unreal quarry
Mostly 49.144 - 49.147 block (iirc)
potent fossil
very interesting
jagged egret
sounds like you need to write a report and switch to luckperms lol
potent fossil
if you arent careful who you hire then yea expect to get fucked
heady spear
spigot discord gives me a headache holy shit
polar sonnet
@zimple its literally on spigot
potent fossil
yeah
potent fossil
should i say it again
polar sonnet
Oh yeah ik
tulip ruin
fallen oracle
Hold up, you confirmed that the dev of the plugin just came into your server and was abusing it?
potent fossil
oh i thought this was a private dev
polar sonnet
YEp pulled up my paypal email used to purchase it glare
We got in a call just to confirm it
polar sonnet
So unless he also got ahold of my paypal email somehow?
potent fossil
well cat got his acct hijacked, it's clearly not impossibru
fallen oracle
Suspicious.
polar sonnet
I have no idea how to go about this*
fallen oracle
That's not Tech's discord account.
Also it makes no sense for him to do something like that.
polar sonnet
So wtf is blocking it from executing commands on him
fallen oracle
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
latent valve
prob other dum pl00gin
fallen oracle
I mean of course you should investigate the issue but I wouldn't go around saying Tech hacked your server or anything.
polar sonnet
Im not yet
left yacht
currently purging a 281GB coreprotect database, been around 2 hours. https://www.titanicfreak.com/imgs/bb40a3571d4702b43dcb70657a67201c.png
polar sonnet
Im not sure what plugin would literally display the ultrapermissions plugin though
left yacht
yeah, normally i would delete the whole database but we need to keep session data
polar sonnet
that stops a command on working on him
latent valve
Prob permission
polar sonnet
He didnt have any permissions either
heady spear
he has been hating on everything we've done for years
yet he keeps using PlotSquared
heady spear
if you hate us that much, don't fucking use our software you asshat >.<
polar sonnet
Still need help
heady spear
why is your guide gone? .-.
fallen oracle
Which guide?
heady spear
barty's server optimisation guide
fallen oracle
Oh
polar sonnet
I thought you knew him my bad sorry
fallen oracle
Nice
heady spear
yes! where's that PR progress
heady spear
mini wake up
it's 5am
gotta get working
holy shit it's 5am wtf am doing
I went to bed at 10am yesterday. My life has flipped turned upside down.
fallen oracle
Oof
weak agate
felt that
fallen oracle
viral hornet
Mood
golden gust
false
viral hornet
Just woke up and need water and watermelon
heady spear
am going to the gym
golden gust
I went to sleep at like 6pm ish
heady spear
tty later noobs
viral hornet
How are you going to the gym @heady spear
fallen oracle
His country isn't in lockdown yet
viral hornet
Please include addresses
heady spear
across the strees, through a door, through another door and there I am
viral hornet
Imma need access to this gym
viral hornet
Oh Sweden, of course
humble plank
coarse night
make it support brigadier
@heady spear im working on it!
i've been testing it on 1.8 (a bit old I know)
pulsar wigeon
a bit
heady spear
does piston work with brigadier?
pulsar wigeon
no
heady spear
smh my head
jagged egret
rigid matrix
slim nymph
@fallen oracle close, but that 5am still ends at 9-10am (depending on if i sleep through stand up or not)
ive slept through standup past 2 days lol
mortal zinc
don't you think if you need 5 hour energy all the time maybe you're not doing something right?
slim nymph
oh i totallyk now that
fallen oracle
😛
slim nymph
well, part of it is addiction and withdrawal risks, but if i reduce, i get less work done, and i have too much work to do
mortal zinc
do you come home late at night or something and just need it to push right through the night?
slim nymph
implying come home during covid
mortal zinc
LOL nvm
mortal zinc
i wonder, do you make enough money from empire minecraft and paper donations?
slim nymph
lol my personal expenses far outweighs minecraft expenses
mortal zinc
ah >.>
mortal zinc
nevertheless, paper keeps your programming skills sharp, so you have that too
slim nymph
i program for day job too, doing more fun stuff there atm
slim nymph
asked boss to check with legal/CTO again on open sourcing myframework
mortal zinc
at work I create electronic forms + workflows which help to streamline and improve the productivity of whichever department wants work from my department
heady spear
Yay the gym is empty 😍
slim nymph
yeah... i usually work on a lot of complex shit. maintaining our code architecture, build systems, backendy work
mortal zinc
there is some programming involved if need be for custom functionality
nice
and if that's the case it's JavaScript
slim nymph
i built a really advanced framework/architecture for nodejs some of our newer core features are on
mortal zinc
🙂
slim nymph
and trying to get this open sourced
mortal zinc
that always feels good
slim nymph
big problem with node is theres 40 problems to solve, and everyone solved them differently
no interfaces
every application is a hodgepodge of ways to solve each problem
heady spear
There are 950 unmaintained github repo for every feature you could want in node
slim nymph
so my framework opinionatedly solves most of them, and then the ones that invite more allowance for opinions, are plugable to an interface
mortal zinc
yeah
slim nymph
so if you can write an adapter to your favorite solution, you can, ie logging
mortal zinc
yeah there's so much fragmentation out there for trying to solve a problem
largest one i can think of atm: dates
slim nymph
the framework will define an interface on what a logger is, satisfy it and implement your logger however you want
or stick to the simple console logger lol
mortal zinc
nice
slim nymph
but that doesnt do anything fancy
we have a bindinging to winston to also do syslog, fs logs, then our own filtering level on top of that
heady spear
Date handling is supppppppper hard to get right lol
mortal zinc
i should familiarize myself more with programming techniques, i'm more of a person that gets into new things when i have a need for it. I wasn't trained as a programmer so i've been trying to learn my way through it all
slim nymph
least thato ne has a solution everyone uses, moment
heady spear
Like you’d think counting some days and labelling them would be easy but it really isn’t :))
mortal zinc
hahaha
slim nymph
one of the largest problems in node.js is shutting down
though i guess many languages have shutdown as a hard problem
but theres a bunch of libs for it, all the popular ones do it wrong
only a few barely used ones do it right
you CAN NOT shutdown serially in node.js
heady spear
Huh?
slim nymph
you must shutdown in multiple stages/levels
heady spear
Although I guess graceful shutdowns are hard in java too
slim nymph
and every async task must check the shutdown state and abort out retrying/waiting if its shuttng down
yeha i just fixed some in paper this week
but its a nightmare in node
everyones all like "on control C, shutdown database, shutdown logger"
well wtf about the stuff in your shutdown process that needed the DB or logger?
slim nymph
so i have a finalize stage, finish wtf your doing, cleanup stage, start closing shit, then last, one final shot
heady spear
Sigint and cry I suppose
slim nymph
it doesnt advantage next stage until every task is finished
heady spear
That’s nice
slim nymph
everything important registers itself as a task
heady spear
I’m always terrified of applications just being yeeted out of existence without warning
slim nymph
stalled shutdown tells you what tasks are executing
golden gust
@minor sigil that server holy fook
heady spear
Makes it super hard to save states properly
Cat you missed the piracy argument
Barty vs. Spigot :))
slim nymph
you know, i got to use Thread Death for the first time in java this week, to kill that damn main thread. DOWN MINECRAFT. To the depths of hell from where you came!
limber knotBOT
what server?
golden gust
spigots
heady spear
Spaghettis discord is a fucking mess
limber knotBOT
yeah, they obviously don't understand how radio communication works
heady spear
At least they don’t have annoying moderation
limber knotBOT
or how towers can and do communicate with each other
golden gust
5g skurry too
heady spear
They seem to tolerate a lot
According to them it’s fine to distribute cracked clients
You don’t encourage the use of cracked clients by doing so
viral hornet
Will Paper ever have a community server, like spogit
viral hornet
No
mortal zinc
community server? other than spigotcraft?
viral hornet
Wait aren't you at the gym
heady spear
Yes
viral hornet
What are you doing?
heady spear
Am taking loooong breaks
Am too tired for this, I pulled an all nighter for the third night in a row lol
heady spear
Ye I didn’t go for two weeks, then I figured I should just use it while I can
Plus when uni is from home I barely move at all so I kinda need this to remain sane :/
viral hornet
I have workout equipment along a huge stretch walkway across the road from mine, but the council have barricaded it all 😪
Yeah I work from home, so the gym was my escape
heady spear
Insane lol, nothing is off limits here
viral hornet
Now I just pace around my apartment
heady spear
Everything but cinemas and ski resorts remains open
Even cafes and restaurants
Idk if we’re crazy or if we’re the sane ones
viral hornet
I feel like nothing bad ever happens in Sweden though
You guys just do you and everything is fine
heady spear
Pretty much, ye
Although if you ask the far right then the entire country is falling apart
And had been falling apart for the last 10 years 🤷
golden gust
spigots server only exists for testing the pre-release builds
We don't lock builds up, so, there is no real super strong reason for us to have to deal with that
heady spear
Is there any good reason why it’s being developed behind closed doors?
Wouldn’t more PRs etc be a good thing?
heady spear
Ye sphagett is being weird
viral hornet
other than implied that md_5 has issues
onyx steeple
Ayy lmao
heady spear
Well I mean we’ve known that
onyx steeple
wassup
viral hornet
When I move to Melb I'm going to interview him
heady spear
Huh, new moderator?
viral hornet
for The Minecraft Daily
heady spear
What the hell have I missed
heady spear
What is something?
mortal zinc
i recently tried to bring up a question in the spigot-dev channel about why they don't talk about a core dev team in spigot
didn't really go anywhere
it's a new year and a new decade, but it's same old spigot
heady spear
Their dev team is md_5 lol
mortal zinc
i'd at least hope they would treat the bukkit project with the same care that the original bukkit team did
but they is unfortunately just md_5
heady spear
Then his goons with their pull requests that end up stale for 15 years
viral hornet
I'm still salty because we got told off for talking about Paper in the Spogit Discord, as it was "in the rules", and it most certainly wasn't in the rules anywhere 😂
golden gust
it's in the site rules
heady spear
Huh? I’ve openly discussed paper loads of times
mortal zinc
perhaps they mean unsupported builds
heady spear
Maybe Choco is just more lenient
golden gust
fork discussion in general is pretty much a leading to a ban
mortal zinc
i don't know how much micromanaging md_5 does outside of spigot development
heady spear
We discussed paper and tuinity while Choco was there
mortal zinc
but he is leading a fairly large operation
golden gust
different people enforce the rules at different levels/times/whatever
heady spear
Choco likes me, I knew it
mortal zinc
haha
seems we're ok talking about spigot here
except dealing with spigot plugin issues
viral hornet
Didn't know it was in the site rules(?)
but I was referring to the rules in the channel topic https://i.imgur.com/apBJsxb.png
mortal zinc
true
heady spear
Meanwhile spigot just relies on paper to be usable
heady spear
I like how he’s talked about as some sort of a mystical creature
viral hornet
He is talked about a bunch haha
https://i.imgur.com/KAnFCC2.png
heady spear
He’s like a Swedish forest gnome, everyone knows about them but no one ever interacts with them
viral hornet
He is a ranga so you're onto something here
mortal zinc
hahaha
heady spear
How come everyone in the spigot discord is an industry leading expert in every field imaginable
mortal zinc
i think it feeds my frustration with him and not reaching out to more devs
heady spear
You could bring up any topic and everyone will know everything about it :)))
You could be talking about what you’re wearing and someone will correct you
mortal zinc
perhaps because i was the same way as a server owner a few years ago, and that was one reason that hurt the community
so in some ways i can see my prior self in md_5
mortal zinc
what frustrates me is maybe we'll never know the full answer
heady spear
It’s just strange. You don’t adopt a FOSS project and then become a dictator
heady spear
He is working with all of Bukkits legacy
It’s not like he isn’t building on top of a shit tonne of prior work
If I were him I would want shit like paper to be merged upstream
But when people try, like leafy has an open PR, he is super critical and refuses to merge anything
Why would people even want to contribute to that
The fact that a big portion of the community swear by a fork of the software should be an indication that something is wrong
Hell, that’s why spigot exists in the first place
He if anyone should know the importance of forks lol
viral hornet
like leafy has an open PR
With Spogit?
heady spear
It’s a paper patch, but it’s not good enough for spigot
You can’t unless you sign the cla
viral hornet
Ah gross, I have to be signed in haha
heady spear
Then you need to give them your name and address and shit
viral hornet
heady spear
And wait to be manually processed
viral hornet
nah I'm good
heady spear
Spaghetti is new google
viral hornet
Haha
viral hornet
Oh yeah I've always hated and never used that
mortal zinc
i believe they won't because the way spigot currently works (via build tools) was a decision reached with legal advice
limber knotBOT
yes.. they had no real choice
mortal zinc
i think i brought that question up before
i guess that sucks for them because they are bound to it, inheriting the fallout with the CraftBukkit DMCA
slim nymph
they consider their method good enough and doesnt need to be improved
heady spear
Paperclip would probably be in the same legal gray zone tho?
Yeah I don’t think it’s because it’s any more legal
golden gust
paperclip pushes further into the grey zone, but honestly, we're at the point where the DMCA mostly doesn't realistically impact projects
slim nymph
honestly, which do you think mojang would prefer
- End users decompiling minecraft server and modifying code, breaking DMCA laws on every end user
- End users downloading minecraft and modifying it on binary level never touching code, only paper devs break DMCA laws
limber knotBOT
the problem is not mojang... its some of the old bukkit/cb devs
slim nymph
i find ours less legally grey than spigots since end users do not decompile the software
well same for them too
source code doesnt touch end users pc's in our manner
heady spear
It’s not like mojang cared before the dmca fiasco
golden gust
Yea, I guess; it kinda goes both ways
slim nymph
our method is close to sponges too. sponge manipulates byte code in memory, we manipulate byte code on disk
golden gust
saying that, mojang never really cared, as said; it was more wolf and the whole nms + cb code thing
slim nymph
spigot manipulates source code
heady spear
They’re obviously okay with sponge considering mojang devs are in their communities
golden gust
there is only md that doesn't seem to have much interaction with mojang
heady spear
I’m aware 😛
viral hornet
The illuminati of Minecraft
heady spear
It kinda feels like md is afraid someone will take the lead from him?
mortal zinc
brushing myself up with the whole DMCA issue in the first place, so I guess.... mojang still owns bukkit then?
heady spear
Considering how snapshots are handled
unreal quarry
sits down in his armchair to do some lawyering
To be fair, I dont think BuildTools or PaperClip are violating the DMCA. The DMCA only exists because of a clause in GPL about distributing GPL together with non-GPL. BuildTools and PaperClip do not distribute GPL and non-GPL together. Thus, nothing is illegal here. Just my two cents.
gets out of his armchair and goes back to fun stuff
heady spear
If the code isn’t released then no spigot fork will be available when spigot releases, so they’re still on top
But I still don’t get why no one is allowed to bloody touch the code without him harassing them beforehand
golden gust
We call it the legal grey area because it does not directly invalidate the DMCA in terms of the tools we ship, but the tooling in the long run introduces some smear on the DMCA
heady spear
And everyone in the spigot community treats him like some sort of god 😐
viral hornet
No that's just because he's Australian
heady spear
The way people talk about him in there makes it feel very cultish
viral hornet
And we are gods
golden gust
e.g. spigot still ends up creating a source tree which you couldn't legally distribute, and paper has binary concerns on the DMCA
heady spear
Haven’t heard from him since November. I think he got eaten by a koala
mortal zinc
@heady spear well I've suggested creating a benchmark to guage performance of craftbukkit, spigot and paper, something you can see on paper, not discussions which can fall flat on their face due to biases
heady spear
Oh well, he’ll be back in half a year pushing untested code to master. It’s fine.
viral hornet
Koala's don't eat you, they just spread their chlamydia
heady spear
Can’t wait for the * commits :))
mortal zinc
but that hasn't gotten very far yet, I still wouldn't mind talking more about it, but I got enough to worry about on my plate right now
golden gust
benchmarks really don't make sense unless you're able to control stuff really well
heady spear
What would you benchmark?
mortal zinc
hahaha i don't know, even worse that i don't have much experience with performance-enhancing code
golden gust
you can't really compare 1:1, because a lot of things have oddball behaviors, some Math.randoms() behind complex logic
heady spear
Generation? Impact of chunk loads on server tick speeds? TPS drops?
golden gust
gotta remember that spigot also cheats with max-tick-time
mortal zinc
i suppose to figure that out you'd have to break out a list of components in the Minecraft server and then see what tests you can run based on the components
heady spear
Idk hard to get anything reliable
void venture
Benchmarks are a pain to do no matter the environment
heady spear
I have loads of anecdotal evidence, good enough for me.
PlotSquared is one of those areas where paper makes a huge difference
slim nymph
@unreal quarry decompiling software in general violates most DMCA lol
mortal zinc
@golden gust then it'd have to be a vanilla spigot server, because you want the vanilla product to do the test in the first place
heady spear
Yeah I don’t see mojang as an issue
They seem to be doing their best to help where they can?
mortal zinc
yeah that's more something to do about wolvereness
golden gust
thing with max-tick-time is that you have to consider side-effects
viral hornet
I finally updated my server to 1.15.2 yesterday
heady spear
What’s happening with the whole mapping dealio tho, any updates on that?
viral hornet
and I couldn't be happier with the performance increase https://i.imgur.com/nv35Eog.png
mortal zinc
i wonder if there's anything that'll convince wolv to relent his DMCA
golden gust
is it a fair benchmark if a product is willing to corrupt state to achieve that?
you sure as heck wouldn't accept that from an SSD, etc
unreal quarry
we arent decompiling wolverness's code. all that is open source. it doesnt apply to his DMCA against CraftBukkit
slim nymph
though i dont see any clause like that in mojangs eula
mortal zinc
I think wolv blew up after finding out that Mojang owned his code?
slim nymph
yeah i was meaning mojang not wolve
yes vector
well not exactly
mojang doesnt own code
they own the project entity
heady spear
That whole scenario was so sketchy tho
slim nymph
legal entity != code
heady spear
Like they should have been more transparent for sure
golden gust
I coulda sworn that we already knew that bukkit was owned by mojang at that point
mortal zinc
right, not code
heady spear
But I don’t see the point in ruining the entire community after spending so much time on it
golden gust
Or, at least, it was hinted but not really announced or something
slim nymph
itj ust wasnts tressed or pushed around cat
heady spear
Right, but they should have said it
mortal zinc
i only found out about it from Jeb's tweet that Mojang had "secretly" owned bukkit the whole time
slim nymph
until the then cb team wanted to shut it down
golden gust
yea
heady spear
Not jump in and say “actually we own the project so u can’t shut it down”
slim nymph
and mojang brought out the point they own the legal rights to say its shut down
heady spear
That wasn’t the way to go about that at all
slim nymph
honestly i dont fault mojang there
heady spear
No one was in the right imo.
slim nymph
mojang kept their legal ownership unused until the community was being harmed
minor sigil
well it appears the spigot chat is filled with those who believe they know all the various communications methods that are used >>
mortal zinc
secret business dealings
slim nymph
it wasnt secret, just why flex it?
golden gust
It's kinda crappy that it wasn't more well known, but, it's not like they interferred
heady spear
They should have said “this is a project we own and that will continue supporting” to begin with
golden gust
Yea, people in the community already knew, just seemed like some of the more involved people on the project didn't really keep up with musings of the community too well so it seems
slim nymph
"ok everyone, since we hired the entire team, legal ownership of the project transfers to us, but its still business as usual, ignore that this is now an even more legal nightmare becasue we still dont endorse this project"
heady spear
I understand feeling super betrayed at that point 
mortal zinc
why was that a necessary part of acquiring the bukkit devs though?
slim nymph
vs shutting it down?
minor sigil
So that there wasn't a conflict of interest for one
golden gust
Resolves a fair number of concerns for an employee
heady spear
They should have figured that out at that point. Owning it while not supporting it and pretending like it doesn’t exist is just dumb
Wasn’t that a big reason behind the outrage as well?
slim nymph
the code they wrote and now mojang employees, makes it a tricky scenario
minor sigil
They didn't pretend it didn't exist
golden gust
I know that if I was reversing a bunch of guys software and they hired me, I'd like a much safer bet on my own projects
slim nymph
they essentially bought the project
minor sigil
They do support it, just not in the way everyone wanted them to support it.
slim nymph
maybe evil seph said thats only way theyd go work, if entire project was bought?
heady spear
But they weren’t transparent about it, which is the problem
golden gust
mojang owning bukkit aids in a lot of misc complications around that stuff, so they bought it and opted to not interfere with it
They didn't hide it either
heady spear
With more transparency they wouldn’t have gotten the same reaction
golden gust
for the operation of the project it was 100% irrelevant
heady spear
Right, but people obviously didn’t know
slim nymph
if they were "transparent" they probably would of had the same blow up then vs later, causing instability in the project even earlier
mortal zinc
@minor sigil conflict of interest seems like a likely reason then for acquiring the project
heady spear
I would have liked to know if I were an active contributor
potent fossil
slim nymph
so to keep business as usual, just left it as is
heady spear
I guess
gaunt elbow
heady spear
Idk the entire situation was a fucking mess tbh
slim nymph
your not contributing code in a free license to mojang even before this
golden gust
much easier to just leave the status quo then to try mess with it
slim nymph
the contributors contributed GPL code to a project that mojang legally owned, but mojang could not even use that code
mojang gained nothing really
heady spear
Why was it going to be shut down to begin with
minor sigil
EvilSeph tried to shut it down because of the changes Mojang was going to do to the EULA
slim nymph
there was no real answer to that scenario
mortal zinc
could I have filed a DMCA takedown on CraftBukkit? I have some code I contributed to the project
minor sigil
and believe bukkit would be in conflict with it, forgetting Mojang owned Bukkit
which means Bukkit can't violate the EULA
slim nymph
you can file a dmca on anything
minor sigil
doesn't mean your DMCA is valid just because you do
heady spear
Isn’t a dmca an American thing tho
slim nymph
everyone contributing is very legally grey area to the gpl
unreal quarry
they were pissed they were owned by mojang, but werent getting paid. thats the tantrum they were throwing in their IRC the weeks before it all happened. I remember it very well 😦
slim nymph
any first world country honors the us's dmca
golden gust
It creates a lot of complications around open-source specifically because a lot of it is not tested in law
minor sigil
Only because most other countries are party to the Copyright treaty
mortal zinc
yeah i'm wondering on what grounds legally wolv has that is more sufficient to anyone else whose contributed code to the project
golden gust
Well, that's the thing
slim nymph
as far as wolve's opinion goes, everyone had same authority as him
golden gust
It's a huge massive stinking grey area that nobody really wants to take it to court
pulsar wigeon
🍿
mortal zinc
well apparently the dmca worked
slim nymph
dmca doesnt care if your opinion is valid or not, you go to court to fight it
pulsar wigeon
a dmca isn't a court ruling lmao
slim nymph
and if you reject a dmca claim, that turned out to be valid....
oh have fun
so, dont turn over a dmca claim unless your gonna win 😛
minor sigil
Also, though same goes for those trying to impose their DMCA claim too
slim nymph
yeah
viral hornet
Does anyone know of an online tool/something that will convert a list of UUID's to names? 
slim nymph
mojang COULD have overturned wolves dmca on cb
but theyd essentially be agreeing to a legal fight then
golden gust
there are UUID fetcher tools for pulling up that info from mojangs API
slim nymph
and it was of no benefit to them
golden gust
well, s/tools/libs
heady spear
That would look really bad on their part, wouldn’t it?
minor sigil
Well it would only be on Wolve to initiate the legal fight
golden gust
No idea if there is a public tool or not
minor sigil
Mojang could have simply ignored the DMCA
slim nymph
im more on mojangs side here
minor sigil
same
viral hornet
I will give you the list Cat 
slim nymph
i feel mojang tried to do what was best for all of us
minor sigil
Wolve tried to get Mojang to buy his rights out
pulsar wigeon
nah, ignoring dmcas gets you in trouble regardless of if it's "right"
slim nymph
and wolve just wasnt happy
minor sigil
he got mad when they simply told him no
golden gust
if you can do basic java, would be pretty trivial to do
slim nymph
@heady spear wolves stance is only valid if he was contributing code to mojang to use for commercial purposes
which.... is not the case
straight up wrong
pulsar wigeon
wut
slim nymph
wolves argument was that he was contributing to a project ownedby a commercial project, essentially writing code for them for free
minor sigil
Yeah, pretty much Wolve believed Mojang was stealing code from bukkit to use in Minecraft
pulsar wigeon
i don't recall wolv making such an argument but okthen
slim nymph
🤷 been years, thats how i remembered it
unreal quarry
thats how i remember it, too
pulsar wigeon
a dmca isn't concerned with feelings, it's concerned with copyright
slim nymph
well yeah and mojang did nothing diff with his copyright
heady spear
You’ve clearly never been to a Swedish court
minor sigil
I was there when it all went down and that is what he expressed. He felt that he was contributing code to Mojang for free and felt he should be compensated.
golden gust
p. much how I remember it being said on the site and stuffs
slim nymph
someone proclaimed to be shutting down the legal entity, in which the legal entities actual owner said no is ultimately what happened, and the code itself was nuked in the battle
heady spear
On some level that makes sense, but he also willingly contributed to an open source project expecting nothing
You don’t contribute to OSS and then randomly feel entitled to money lol
unreal quarry
the dmca was the only thing he could do since the project couldnt be shut down. he found the loophole in the GPL about distributing with the inclusion of non-GPL. its literally the whole reason the DMCA exists: https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2014/2014-09-05-CraftBukkit.md
minor sigil
EvilSeph on the other hand though tried to shut bukkit down because of some belief they would be going against the EULA. Which is weird that he attempted to shut it down, knowing full well he sold his rights as well as project owner.
slim nymph
basically wolve was ok with his gpl rights were violated the entire time he contributed to the project, until he didnt want the project to exist anymore
minor sigil
EvilSeph was just upset with Mojang because they fired him XD
heady spear
Yeah I don’t get bring proactive about that?
unreal quarry
"its my ball, and i dont want to play anymore"
heady spear
Shut it down if mojang tries to have it shut down
unreal quarry
😉
heady spear
Why do it beforehand?
slim nymph
technically wolves dmca claim is valid, these projects are a legal grey area w/ the gpl. but he knowingly contributed anyways
pulsar wigeon
we honestly need to let it die tbh
slim nymph
true
pulsar wigeon
idk why this discussion is even happening
slim nymph
talk about tacos
pulsar wigeon
there's literally nothing productive to come of it
golden gust
guys
slim nymph
read your eula.txt as a reminder
heady spear
We were complaining about md being super bad at running an oss community
slim nymph
argue over tacos
minor sigil
soft
heady spear
I need to get my patrons for taco money
minor sigil
I have bad teeth so I can't eat crunchy tacos without it causing me pain >>
slim nymph
im torn on corn vs flour
heady spear
Whole wheat :))
slim nymph
soft corn that is
heady spear
Hard r just glorified crisps smh
minor sigil
Well, I guess if you like to eat dirty tacos
but then I guess you will never have a problem with those that make taco's though since you know, you like the ones in the trash XD
viral hornet
Team soft?
unreal quarry
soft tacos?
viral hornet
Then you better just eat a burrito instead
unreal quarry
static badge
mfw
viral hornet
That looks delicious tbh
potent fossil
what the
merry talon
actually looks good
potent fossil
yall r crazy
jagged egret
lol what's the old prune role
potent fossil
its my role
viral hornet
Are you the oldest here?
jagged egret
yes
unreal quarry
pretty sure i'm the oldest here
viral hornet
Oldest player I ever had on my server was in his late 60's / early 70's 😂
So awesome
jagged egret
had a player on my server in his 80s once, it was fun
pulsar wigeon
where is "here" billy
unreal quarry
this convo
magic ice
anyone ever had a player on that was younger than the server itself?
pulsar wigeon
ah ok, setting a low bar
golden gust
Reminds me of how much I love spinach
viral hornet
spinch
golden gust
The trick is to drizzle a bit of olive oil on them
makes it really easy to scape it into the trash
potent fossil
i was
viral hornet
I actually love spinch haha
heady spear
as long as it's not cooked^
viral hornet
slightly cooked is fine
heady spear
otherwise it's just vomit
viral hornet
😂
heady spear
very true
potent fossil
cat add me :'(
golden gust
I always just found it was kinda lackluster, didn't really add much to the meal
Who are you?
golden gust
Literally no idea who that is
potent fossil
wow
fallen oracle
STOP SPEAKING BOTTOM
heady spear
that ur cool?
heady spear
not if ur asking
potent fossil
🥺
fallen oracle
boTtoM
potent fossil
SO WHAT IF IM A BOTTOM
viral hornet
hot
potent fossil
im actually a power vers 
viral hornet
what is happening right now 😂
potent fossil
wouldnt you like to know weather boy
pulsar wigeon
can you stop erping
obtuse plaza
pulsar wigeon
get a room
potent fossil
heady spear
This isn't erp
heady spear
your erp experiences must have been super boring for this to be erp
pulsar wigeon
.g wouldnt you like to know weather boy
limber knotBOT
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pulsar wigeon
^
potent fossil
yes that
viral hornet
No that cannot be real
potent fossil
im pretty sure that's his son
he is the parents he's asking about
but stop analyzing it's funny
heady spear
tbh simple is one of the people I dislike the least on the internet
potent fossil
😌
heady spear
like if we were stuck in a burning building together I probably wouldn't push you into the fire
potent fossil
That's okay, id push myself in the fire
heady spear
fires are lit bro
I've been in a couple, you don't really realize how fucking hot it gets
and how hard it is to breathe
ancient bolt
fuck I ate too much
fallen oracle
What'd you eat?
ancient bolt
2 hotdogs and fries
potent fossil
that guy who wins all the hotdog eating contests: https://media1.tenor.com/images/3240b08b8c1d722625dfb9e5d73b7b11/tenor.gif?itemid=3535805
slim nymph
FYI anyone with webdev experience with gulp/webpack exerience or desire to learn them, see #timings on my discord if you got some time and want to help contribute to timings to help get the toolchain updated to modern versions. https://aikardiscord.emc.gs
ancient bolt
wiz eyyykar is advertising, please ban
slim nymph
to complete death and isolation 😛
ancient bolt
pulsar wigeon
too much taylor swift
ancient bolt
pulsar wigeon
runs
pulsar wigeon
ancient bolt
idk man, a lot of shit
it was an asian hotdog place that had some really interesting dogs
heady spear
https://magmafoundation.org
tf is this
Magma is the next generation of hybrid minecraft server softwares.
Magma is based on Forge and Paper, meaning it can run both Craftbukkit/Spigot/Paper plugins and Forge mods.We hope to eliminate all issues with craftbukkit forge servers. In the end, we envision a seamless, low lag Magma experience with support for newer 1.12+ versions of Minecraft.
heady spear
Yes, and all of them are "the next generation"
This is another one person project it seems
ancient bolt
Zidane did it actually for real
heady spear
the repo contains paper files lol
magic ice
lol I tried helping those ppl with their 1.14 version
anything forge related in 1.14 is a mess lol
heady spear
huh they have bukkit and spigot in there too, but only the API
magic ice
plus getting bukkit to work on forge is a nightmare
heady spear
I can imagine
magic ice
They have to patch some plugins at runtime to get them to work with forge
heady spear
yeah no I don't have any faith in this ngl
magic ice
it's a cool concept, but just considering the way the bukkit api is written, it won't work out
heady spear
I mean good for them, projects are fun but 🤷♂️
Sponge is the way to go if you need mod support, easier to just accept that 😛
vestal jasper
Sponge was started by some people who did those projects afaik
vestal jasper
Yee
ancient bolt
sponge is designed from the ground up to be compatible with sponge though
magic ice
uh I think one of their other lead devs was from spout too
magic ice
yea for sure
heady spear
I think that's objectively true
Also when you need dumb shit like custom materials and whatnot? just no
magic ice
using reflection to add new enum values 
vestal jasper
Imo bukkit by design is toxic towards mods
vestal jasper
Yeah but in the context of using bukkit with mods it is not fine
slim nymph
plugins give you some sanity about the environment if plugins dont treat themselves as mods and hack into nms
nms usage essentially turns your plugin into mod like, your manipulating the environment outside of the environments expectations
thats what mods do
heady spear
Which is necessary because the API is far from complete
slim nymph
stop supporting spigot, pr valid api's to paper
heady spear
if Bukkit wasn't so limited then people wouldn't need NMS :]]
mortal zinc
outside of plugin channels, how would bukkit plugins interact with mods?
slim nymph
yall plugin devs are to blame 😛
paper has more than 50% usage now, time to drop spigot !
plugin channels is what mod communication is for vector
vestal jasper
Is there a persistent data storage option for itemstacks using only the bukkit/spigot/paper API?
vestal jasper
Huh
slim nymph
since 1.13 or 1.14
vestal jasper
Might be worth looking into then
vestal jasper
Pog
mortal zinc
everyone here probably feels the same way I do on this but I'll ask it anyway. Does anyone else feel like bukkit isn't relevant anymore? since spigot took over bukkit development, do you think that effectively meant bukkit is was no longer relevant then?
mortal zinc
the server software bukkit
would a vanilla spigot server grant any extra features than bukkit would? I'm not talking about plugins, but a spigot server without plugins, would it do anything different other than performance enhancements?
and without any tweaks to bukkit yml or spigot.yml, just the default settings
mortal zinc
yeah confusing, my bad
vestal jasper
Craftbukkit is the impl
vestal jasper
I've brought this up numerous times and every time the general consensus is that cb exists because there's little reason to consolidate it all into spigot
O
vestal jasper
More for md to do
mortal zinc
well there's only so much a one-man team is willing to do
vestal jasper
He's also the only person to make that decision
And I shouldn't have to comment on how good his decision making is
potent fossil
i mean, there really is little reason. CB in its entirety is still hosted on spigot's hub, and spigot just patches into it. Like paper does to spigot.
What's the issue? I don't understand
vernal moth
@fallen oracle @heady spear i actually started to work on it yesterday
I need to find some clever way to stop bukkit from registering my commands to brigadier :/
That's the only thing I am not happy with so far
silent nimbus
heady spear
Sounds cool Mini :]]
potent fossil
what'd u start on
heady spear
secret
potent fossil
TELL ME
heady spear
Brigadier PR for ACF 😄
heady spear
he never finished it
potent fossil
typical
heady spear
ur not wrong lol
heady spear
wow congrats 😍 🎈 🥳
potent fossil
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
ur present will be late but rest assured it will arrive
at some point
limber knotBOT
congratz kashike
cosmic raft
thanks simple :)
ancient bolt
I've written something terrible as a gift for your birthday
cosmic raft
:(
ancient bolt
it's an awful script to mostly automate the cleanup of all my movie files, while still letting me fix random things and make sure shit doesn't go crazy
fallen oracle
What CI do you guys typically use? Travis?
ancient bolt
teamcity is by far the best, but the one thing it doesn't do so well is artifact hosting so most people don't like it
fallen oracle
It is opensource.
fallen oracle
Yeah, I was on Travis for maven, but I need to update it to gradle.
ancient bolt
but comparing the capabilities and easy of setup and configuration of teamcity to literally anything else and it's not even close
potent fossil
wait wtf teamcity is free?
cosmic raft
not "free"
fallen oracle
I'd prefer not to have to host it
cosmic raft
it's free up to a certain number of configurations and agents, but not "totally" free
ancient bolt
in that case travis is fine, circleci is fine, appveyor is fine
cosmic raft
good for 99% of people though
potent fossil
well fair enough
ancient bolt
at work I have to work in jenkins
and ugh, comparing it to teamcity is just oof
I run into something basic and it's hard if not impossible with jenkins, would be simple in teamcity
rinse and repeat
cosmic raft
heh
limber knotBOT
MiniDigger: thank you!
ancient bolt
@cosmic raft no harsh code critique? 😦
limber knotBOT
I like how you come back to IRC for that ^^
limber knotBOT
MiniDigger: :)
ancient bolt
for something this quick and dirty it made the most sense unfortunately
potent fossil
ooh boy space looks really nice
potent fossil
i love jetbrains, they're so 😻
cosmic raft
and horrible to work with writing long complex things
limber knotBOT
A contractor for us sends examples in powershell
Like he implemented JWT in PS
my only PS thing is https://paste.gg/p/kashike/963f61376c4444d28f84018960c2408a
fallen oracle
happy bday 😄
cosmic raft
thanks glare
potent fossil
There was this guy in my old job who was a PS pro. I was mesmerized at his PS-foo
cosmic raft
PS is an interesting thing
It's super powerful, multi-platform
but also not the prettiest
like function New-Retro-Shortcut([string] $Core, [string] $Rom, [string] $Id, [string] $Name)
ancient bolt
I really really like bash 😦
potent fossil
I remember having to move a shitton of files from one network drive to another, and i was writing it in java with the nio api and he walks up and is like "what the fuck are you doing"
and he fucking goes to his desk and writes a ps script
in 15 mins
limber knotBOT
Powershell is extremely powerful, it's quite nice actually
ancient bolt
it's ugly but I've done so many awesome things with bash
potent fossil
and it took 5 min to run and was done
potent fossil
whereas my java was bound to take on the order of days
ancient bolt
write better java
limber knotBOT
Can java do "native" file copying?
fallen oracle
With tavis can you specify the version of gradle to use? It's defaulting to 5.1.1
potent fossil
i dunno. in another instance of the same problem, that guy was no longer in the company but i ended up just invoking powershell from java with Runtime
limber knotBOT
Like I am sure powershell just uses some windows api to copy stuff, whole in java you read the whole list
ancient bolt
yeah it can
if you use channels it can even use direct hardware copying and even bypass the CPU (same thing native copy does)
potent fossil
what i did was read in the directory tree and start copying, the slow part was reading in the dir tree. but uh ^ didnt know that
so it was not gonna work on the timeframe they needed
so just executed PS from java
lmao
limber knotBOT
Ah that's nicest
potent fossil
not my proudest moment
ancient bolt
maybe, idk
would have to look
it probably falls down to whatever is native for the system
since Files.copy allows copying Paths between multiple filesystems iirc
limber knotBOT
Ye
ancient bolt
@potent fossil 2 days ago I had to upload 2 TB from my computer to my server and I just did tar -c /path/to/dir | ssh remote_server 'tar -xvf - -C /absolute/path/to/remotedir'
uploaded 2 TB in 6 hours
potent fossil
F
i mean, it's painfully clear that i was approaching the problem incorrectly in hindsight but back then i thought what i was doing was genius until I saw how long it was going to take to run :X
ancient bolt
lol mass filesystem work is often done better in bash or powershell
potent fossil
yeah
merry talon
why would you pipe tar over ssh
ancient bolt
tar by itself doesn't compress anything, it basically just turns lots of files into 1 file
pipe it into ssh, and pipe that into tar on the other side
now it's just 1 stream of data
potent fossil
thats actually pretty damn smart
ancient bolt
no opening files, creating new connections, etc
heady spear
dumdum windows user, rsync is the way to go
merry talon
is that really faster than rsync?
ancient bolt
yes, for initial copy
rsync checks for file existance first and sends hashes to create patches
if you're just doing an initial copy piping tar into ssh is significantly faster
heady spear
O_o
ancient bolt
1gbps
heady spear
how the hell did you go from network to hotel
fallen oracle
I mean it originally tried to put mom
I have 1gbps too so it would probably be the same speed
ancient bolt
depends on peering, the server's uplink, etc
also I split my data up into 6 chunks and did that command 6 times in parallel
fallen oracle
Ahh
potent fossil
"Ahh" is what Glare says when he half understands but can't think of anything intelligent to say
potent fossil
🥺
merry talon
fallen oracle
ancient bolt
I got confused by the interactive inputs of my own script and accidentally deleted 2 of my largest movies 🙃
cosmic raft
which ones kyle?
ancient bolt
2 of the LOTRs
cosmic raft
ah
ancient bolt
I wanted to rename them
and I forgot my script first asks if you want to rename it
er no it first asks if you want to keep it
but it only checks for 'y' so when I started typing it took it as no
and then it asks are you sure
but I typed multiple characters because I was typing the name
cosmic raft
rip
merry talon
sounds like you need to idiot proof your script
ancient bolt
but if im the only one that's using it is that even possible?
merry talon
yeah, add a countdown timer before it actually does anything
are you really REALLY sure you want to do this? proceeding in 120 seconds...
ancient bolt
this script is supposed to speed UP the process
and I'm done
damn I'm happy with that, can't imagine how tedious that would have been to do by hand
the script's defaults were right 90% of the time, while adding in the ability to rename stuff came in handy a bunch
uploading fellowship of the ring: 30MB/s ETA: 12 minutes
cosmic raft
@ancient bolt show the output of the script? :D
ancient bolt
you mean the files?
cosmic raft
sure
ancient bolt
idk what you mean