Already have em
#general
outer parcel
fallen oracle
Actually your servers are probably already there
polar sonnet
@fallen oracle mcbanners link?
fallen oracle
Since you're past the peak between here to stay and temp
polar sonnet
Airee whats shit about reliablesite
outer parcel
The support, reliability, and server builds they offer
outer parcel
An i9-9900K that can't reliably take 128gb is useless
They totally went down due to that bgp leak shit
polar sonnet
I have an i7 with 32gb of ram
gleaming rivet
isn't 64gb max on Z390?
outer parcel
Actually not so true about newer vers
We only use like 40gb on our 8 core system lol
polar sonnet
is an i7 4790 decent for a server?
outer parcel
Yeah
Kinda the point of diminishing returns
After that point, the CPU probably isn't your perf bottleneck
polar sonnet
Wdym
outer parcel
It'll be your code
polar sonnet
Yeah or the player that had roughly 100+ skeletons spawning every 10 seconds
outer parcel
Yeah you can fix that with plugins
gleaming rivet
use per player mob spawns, limit the amount
polar sonnet
I have
outer parcel
Get a mob stacker
jagged egret
wait so do these banners update dynamically
outer parcel
The mainstream stackers kinda blow
jagged egret
@fallen oracle
jagged egret
huh that's pretty dope
fallen oracle
Wait I'm slow and shit?
outer parcel
Nah wildstacker is
fallen oracle
Oh okay
jagged egret
any way we can change the background of the resource/server icon? The black don't work too well with some of my logos lol
fallen oracle
The server banners are still a WIP, mainly for devs and resources atm
polar sonnet
love when mobs spawn in walls 😉
fallen oracle
The black is a bug with the png / jpeg
jagged egret
Ah
fallen oracle
It's usually transparent
But yeah it live updates every few minutes
Still in beta, use with caution, but there's lots of customizations like you can choose font size, location of each element, etc.
outer parcel
Neat little tool
fallen oracle
Was a fun little project we were messing around with and figured why not share it
polar sonnet
Is there a way to nerf certain mob spawners?
fallen oracle
Just been so busy with other projects and school and stuff
polar sonnet
mmm yes love this
fallen oracle
VoteParty 😏
polar sonnet
😉
Does it fix mobs stuck in walls when they spawn
Or my isp deciding to make me lag on literally just minecraft from 9-11
fallen oracle
Lol
polar sonnet
Glare
ever thought about posting your plugins mc-market for a broader adueince
audience*
fallen oracle
Meh
I don't do it for the money, although it is nice to have 5% off my tuition every month.
polar sonnet
Fair
fallen oracle
I've also heard that mcm is very toxic
polar sonnet
Yeah I could see that
outer parcel
Yeap
jagged grove
limber knotBOT
keepitfresh a bit but more on the enterprise end
fallen oracle
Yeah we have some people that make some cool ass DeluxeMenus and they sell them for like $1
limber knotBOT
if there's a demand for that i guess that's valid lol
heady spear
I just have a bunch of healthy foods at home
limber knotBOT
well aren't you fucking great
heady spear
And I don’t wanna go to the store because last time some old dinosaur coughed in my ear
limber knotBOT
@my 3 jugs of milk and 12 sticks of butter
limber knotBOT
where are you from
heady spear
Schweeeden
heady spear
Ye if you can wait 2 weeks for delivery lol
limber knotBOT
better than kale and beans for eternity
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potent warren
aaaand that glitched discord
TIL that it is possible for hypixel to just send out a gameprofile with a random UUID for players that are disguised
fallen oracle
I waited for 3 weeks for Amazon to send me a replacement remote for my TV.
polar sonnet
@outer parcel sorry but to the isp thin
Every goddamn night
From 9:00-11:PM my minecraft ping skyrockets
Its only just minecraft
polar sonnet
I think its being throttled
outer parcel
someones probably doing cocaine and turning dials
polar sonnet
But how can they just throttle minecraft
Its not just me either, my friend has the same isp same issue
potent warren
inb4 and that's why I have my own ISP
outer parcel
and that's why I have my own ISP
outer parcel
they probably don't like you running a server out of your house
outer parcel
o
heady spear
They just don’t like you
polar sonnet
Im lagging on my own server from 9-11
outer parcel
i confused you with someone else ig
heady spear
It’s very personal
polar sonnet
I;ve timed it
outer parcel
yeah something like that
fallen oracle
I do my own dns but not isp
polar sonnet
Im hardwired and everything
outer parcel
@polar sonnet it could literally be something as silly as someone video calling their girlfriend at that time
there's nothing you can do about it other than switch providers
heady spear
My internet fucks up all the time but I can connect to the uni WiFi from home 😄
polar sonnet
He gets the same issue at the same time only to my server
heady spear
They don’t let us access Reddit tho
jagged grove
Anyone know any way to install plugins on a snapshot server?
polar sonnet
So im lost ig
outer parcel
@polar sonnet you should get a traceroute to your server when it happens
will show where the ping increases
polar sonnet
How do I uh
outer parcel
what system is responsible
polar sonnet
uno momento
jagged egret
yeah Hover if you could stop giving me HTTP 503 while I try to figure out my account details, that'd be great
outer parcel
lol hover
jagged egret
what's wrong with hover?
outer parcel
it 503's you when you're trying to figure out your account details 
jagged egret
ok fair point but besides that
polar sonnet
Can I dox myself if I post the tracert?
polar sonnet
EXACTLY!
heady spear
what exactly is the problem?
vestal jasper
city go to sleep
heady spear
like anything quantifiable and not just anecdotal lag
polar sonnet
I cant move commands take 20 seconds before something happens
Ill show the screenshot
heady spear
maybe your server is just shit? ;]
polar sonnet
No
jagged egret
frick
polar sonnet
Its literally just me
jagged egret
my frickn domain expired and someone bought it 😒
fallen oracle
Don't they start warming you like 2 months before
heady spear
loooool some premium domain reseller bought mine and wanted $300k for it
outer parcel
it's like a ransom lol
heady spear
it's super easy to ignore Glare, I've done it loads of times 😛
👏
heady spear
I've lost intellectualsites.com twice
fallen oracle
Yeah someone wanted to charge me $500 for a Minecraft username.
outer parcel
i offered $1k for a minecraft username before
it was my first name though so
i know i can just pawn it off to another graham for an unreasonable amount of money
fallen oracle
I don't have that kind of money
fallen oracle
Wasn't going to pay $500 for Glare
fallen oracle
They are more than welcome to.
polar sonnet
heady spear
maybe your ISP just gets an insane amount of traffic every evening and then they throttle you because you're a minecraft pleb
jagged egret
they do warn you but I didn't have email at the time
cosmic raft
~limbo are you alive?
void void
maybe? some resumes though: {0=>3, 2=>4, 1=>5, 3=>3}
unreal quarry
~limbo am I alive?
cosmic raft
@unreal quarry gonna add that now ;p
unreal quarry
^_^
vestal jasper
"no"
unreal quarry
no clue lol
cosmic raft
~limbo am i alive?
void void
how can someone with no heart be alive?
unreal quarry
😮
vestal jasper
ok heartless
polar sonnet
Pog champ
cobalt surge
ancient bolt
why does he fucking care
shell vine
why do u fucking care that he fucking cares
unreal quarry
its spigot. it needs useless rules
static badge
wants to be able to ban you on the forums too for discord violations
is my guess
he requires forum names = discord names
jolly crown
Ya
void void
potent warren
DemonWav
why does he fucking care
No need to be rude. lol Probably so that he can sync forum names with Discord accounts.
mighty storm
discord's pretty intimidating for old people dw
void void
quick question idk if this is suport related but
How do I make | actually be connected in KiteBoard?
vestal jasper
one of my admins caught them attempting to do it
retard completely ignoring the fact that it was patched in 1.12 and patched by mojang in 1.15
shell vine
only time ive seen it when people just have lot of stuff in their base
vestal jasper
dude straight up had an inventory of books filled with garbage characters
unreal quarry
i put an event on it in 1.14 and made a plugin to broadcast the coords to the whole server when it happened. was great
ancient bolt
wtf I thought we got rid of the server gui
pulsar wigeon
demon hasn't touched a minecraft server in at least 4 months
ancient bolt
not a lie, though 4 months is being generous
it's at least double
I don't even remember how to turn this shit off
I thought it was --nogui
limber knotBOT
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pulsar wigeon
z still hasn't gotten rid of the poll lol
ancient bolt
oh I messed up my command
inner stratus
severe siren
balmy sparrow
magic ice
severe siren
who can join my minecraft server
severe siren
i like modded minecraft
polar sonnet
Anyone want a free vps for like the next 9 days
severe siren
what that
olive garden
void maple
thank you 🙂
ancient bolt
.mcflags
limber knotBOT
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granite salmon
🥳
twin lagoon
is lit
barely get any false positives
of course you're not going to get 100% hit detection lol
it seems to detect any popular vpn service i've thrown at it
limber knotBOT
balmy folio
worn ember
Why do you need that?
limber knotBOT
I would guess to detect vpn/proxies you dummy
worn ember
Yeah but why
severe siren
i need friends i have no one to play my minecraft serve
limber knotBOT
we needed something like that to drop incoming cucks dos'ing us cuz our hoster wasn't able to hold check that on the upper level =^]
worn ember
Crying about it here won't help you lol
limber knotBOT
you might also just want to block vpns for ban evaders
vestal jasper
i've legit had a player join on 50 alt accounts and the only thing that stopped them was an antivpn
limber knotBOT
we had tens of thousands of DIFFERENT proxies attacking us every second, that was fun
worn ember
I wouldn't like you either
limber knotBOT
wow upsidedownist >:(
latent valve
wut how?
ashen cliff
I can feel that Kenny
worn ember
Shitty datacenter then
latent valve
^
limber knotBOT
it's sad that people like that just go away unharmed and without consequences
nice one krusic
doesn't ovh have mc specific protection as well?
ashen cliff
Don't worry, if they want you down, you will go down.
worn ember
Don't they have ddos detection anyway
limber knotBOT
that too, but bungee or server specific attacks are something else
worn ember
Cloudflare for Minecraft when
ashen cliff
TCPShield just uses OVH for protection.
So TCPShield -> OVH is useless for the most part.
gritty marlin
can anyone recommend a good currency plugin
doesnt need to be fancy, just want a simple way to move money around w/o having to rely on items
sturdy junco
ashen cliff
It does.
gritty marlin
dont have essentialsx ill check that out
worn ember
man i was up till 6am trying to figure out why my events werent getting handled, turns out i was using PlayerEvent instead of Event
and bukkit doesnt listen for those
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wide chasm
Just inject the hander list stuff into the class yourself /s
wide chasm
No, you can only listen to concrete events, not the abstract ones.
worn ember
and turns out i also have to register 33 classes manually
cuz theres no way to do it, cuz as stated before, you cant listen to abstract parent classes
fun times
wide chasm
Could just put the listeners in the same class if they're sort of related.
worn ember
they're not
wide chasm
😦
wide chasm
Well, guess you need to register all 33 of them then.
gritty marlin
what sort of performance hit will i take from essentialsX
olive garden
sounds like you are doing something wrong ded
so each enchant has its own events
Last time I made this sort of plugin, I only needed the following events:
- entity damage
- entity kill
- damage taken
- block broken
- right click
- armor/item equip
- armor/item dequip
twin lagoon
d got an attack where it caused the bungee not being able to authenticate users with Minecraft.
auth spammer
or something
it'll basically cause your server to get ratelimited
olive garden
so I set up all the listeners in a single class, checked the item in the damager's / block breaker's / etc hand, retrieved a list of enchants, checked the type with instanceof, casted it and then called the abstract method (eg. WeaponEnchant has an onDamaged(Entity entity) abstract method)
@worn ember
ping me if you want me to read your message
worn ember
@olive garden ok
olive garden
fuck you
worn ember
ig i could do that
olive garden
god
worn ember
not very clean tho 
twin lagoon
olive garden
oh, the method I proposed is not very clean, I get it now
worn ember
wow
olive garden
it is clean, it is basic abstraction
worn ember
void void
a general question about permissions, my server is ran under user fredrik, but it needs to write to a www-data folder, specifically its Dynmap. How do I solve that in the best manner?
is it safe to add user fredrik to www-data group?
olive garden
is that the paper event dark? it gets called when the armor just takes damage
worn ember
no, its the one i yoinked and adjusted
it only gets called when the item slot changes from inventory click
worn ember
what about them?
by shift clicking you mean?
i think that triggers the inventoryclick event?
olive garden
no
worn ember
right clicking sorry
olive garden
I literally mean equipping armor using a dispenser
olive garden
and yes, right clicking is another thing, that's actually pretty common
and pretty sure it doesn't trigger a click event
worn ember
great
olive garden
.g minecraft dispenser armor equip
worn ember
gonna go eat now tho
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olive garden
2016
worn ember
void void
interesting
ashen cliff
You know what that means?
Less excuses for not using THP.
worn ember
Thp?
olive garden
wtf
gritty marlin
lmaoooo
granite salmon
😂
void void
didn't THP cause performance hit?
redis warns about it pretty loudly, and based on readings from the internetz then disabling it is wise
i configured my shit to use hugepages explicitly, not transparently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
slender whale
ashen cliff
That's a cursed name of everyone that worked with Windows 9X and XP back in the good old days.
kind shale
Does anyone know where I can get some assistance with Dynmap?
heady spear
@still smelt it’s pretty nice, the plugin system especially
kind shale
I'm having some problems with the map rendering, I've run /dynmap radiusrender 1500 a few times, and I've also set world border using Minecraft's default method as well as WB plugin.
heady spear
I don’t use it anymore because I’ve moved to tilix, but it’s a nice terminal emulator indeed
kind shale
I can't find anything online to help either, it's doing my head in
kind shale
Alright. I'll try removing worldborder. will I have to re-generate the entire map again? with dynmap radiusrender 1500?
It's not a very large map either, it's only 2500x2500
ashen cliff
I just gave it time.
kind shale
Alright I've removed WorldBorder. I'm re-rendering now. Hopefully it works
tawdry scarab
merry talon
anyone using GH actions? my workflow isn't showing up nor running
olive garden
mine works fine
merry talon
wtf
green turret
Press the [New workflow] button.
limber knotBOT
brain explodes
left swift
Just search harder
green turret
I have been playing Don't Starve with some friends for a couple of weeks, all good. Then suddenly the game crashes instantly whenever I try to start it while my controller is enabled. Happened after an update to the game and no changes to my system. I send reproduction steps, descriptions of everything I'm doing and have done, crash log, etc.
The response is "try to enable this setting in Steam". So I tell them that as I said initially, I've tried that, and it does bring the game up, but the controller is registering incorrectly (it's an Xbox One Controller, registers as Steam Virtual Gamepad if I enable that setting), all button presses happen twice, and the analogs are hypersensitive. Everything sucks.
Then I get another response saying "disable that setting because it might interfere with the game itself, then open the game and run this command". So I tell them again that I can't actually get into the damn game when that setting is disabled because the game crashes immediately when I click it.
pulsar wigeon
it's a sign...stop playing with a controller :^)
green turret
I appreciate the responses, but I'm getting so tired of trying to communicate with a "manager" guy who doesn't understand what he's reading 😦 The crash log literally says "shit breaks on line 97 in this file".
I wish I could. But due to RSI it's the only way I can play any games without pain D:
Controllers suck, though.
Yeah it's great fun. We keep dying in the winter to Deerclops.
green turret
You gotta like spaz around for a couple of days until you find a good beefalo patch.
pulsar wigeon
you're expected to play the first winter 10 times before you understand how you're supposed to prepare for it
and then spring comes around and it's the same thing again
which is fine if running it back constantly is your thing but....
green turret
Yeah I still don't know how. If we actually have enough food and stuff, we end up getting smashed by Deerclops. If we prepare for him, we'll have a bunch of traps and stuff, but not enough food and materials for anything else.
pulsar wigeon
i always just avoided giants as much as possible
green turret
But how to you avoid him? Every time we play he finds us 😦
pulsar wigeon
deerclops doesn't follow you or anything
just gotta be ready to go to a backup base when it spawns or somethng
since it will spawn relatively close by
green turret
A hideout!
First time we encountered him, we had everything set up so neatly. He just came in and wiped out all the structures in the base x_x
green turret
Ahahah
It's like in old video games where you don't have any sort of "save" functionality. You die, you start over.
I played so much Super Mario Bros. 3 on my NES.
raven heart
unreal elm
short yarrow
do you guys think knowing algorithms is important? specifically techniques use to solve leetcode type problems
merry talon
@green turret i already have one..
worn ember
@short yarrow yes for those coding challenges you'd want to understand how stuff gets done internally to know how to do it efficiently
and a bunch of math algorithms too i guess
one of the reasons i never really did any
green turret
@merry talon This is wrong, you must pres butan.
@short yarrow do you think knowing how to prepare vegetables is important? Specifically techniques that help you dice onions?
If you're a baker you probably don't really need it.
If you're a plumber you almost certainly don't.
If you're only ever cooking for yourself or your family in your own home, it's probably useful, but chances are the output of your dicing algorithm won't have any noticeable impact on how your "clients" perceive the end result.
If you're a line cook or a chef at a fancy restaurant, you probably should up your game because chances are some snotty twat in a suit will come yell at you for putting a slightly triangular piece of onion on his plate rather than a perfect cube.
olive briar
green turret
Having said that, I think fundamentals are super important. The only way to cement your understanding of fundamentals is by practicing. Programming is like most other crafts where practice makes less shitty, and lots of practice makes kinda sorta okay. You can think of those code challenges as kata. Little exercises that help you hone your skills. You'll probably never have to implement a function that justifies text in a view with a monospace font and a width of 80 characters, but doing so will help you hone your algorithmic thinking skills. Solving the specific problem isn't necessarily helpful, but having gone through the motions of doing so is.
dark wing
sterile cobalt
ashen cliff
ashen cliff
Or get plugins that don't leak?
I had my first problem with ZGC after 2 months of use, when a plugin started leaking due to Paper being updated.
But then again, no one here has explored ZGC fully yet.
mortal zinc
my question in spigot-dev on IRC about whether or not spigot has had serious discussions about a core dev team will probably fall flat on its face
i know it's not something we can do much of
actually
short of an intervention there's probably not much
untold pond
worn ember
REAL MD 
latent valve
mortal zinc
things would go so much smoother if md_5 could work with other people, but that must be a pain point for him
how ironic
untold pond
Its not the real one
ashen cliff
Good.
worn ember
was a yoke
ashen cliff
void void
untold pond
But I confess my name was inspired by him some time ago
mortal zinc
md_5 reminds me of who I was back when I ran a Minecraft community honestly
I took most of the responsibility instead of seeking out multiple devs
worn ember
thing is, you really cant trust many people in the mc community
mortal zinc
I guess I was kind of afraid of looking for more devs because I didn't want them to possibly screw things up
untold pond
I took most of the responsibility instead of seeking out multiple devs
Dont attack me like that
worn ember
they'll fuck you over the first chance they get benefit from it
ashen cliff
Backdoored.
mortal zinc
yeah
but i don't know md_5's mind or heart
i guess if anything i have to give him credit for bearing this path alone, it's interesting how long he's lasted so far
much more stark, perhaps his purpose
ashen cliff
He does work on forks for money.
civic prism
ashen cliff
So there are better things out there that he is working on, but Spigot is just what he releases publicly.
mortal zinc
if he's open to looking at how paper runs, he'll see how successful it's been
austere ivy
paper issue in #paper-dev
ashen cliff
Well, Paper is kind of like Spigot at this point, just a bit more open to gameplay changing features.
austere ivy
bucket is being emptied but PlayerBucketEmptyEvent isn't being fired
mortal zinc
imo paper seems to be offering the same kind of things: optimized performance, extra features, although there are probably other goals paper has than I'm aware of
austere ivy
pattern marching seems epic
mortal zinc
are there some more performant server forks?
austere ivy
no more
if (sender instanceof Player) {
Player player = (Player) sender;
}
we can just do
if (sender instanceof Player player) {
}
that alone makes me want to upgrade.
I think Taco is one of them.
mortal zinc
well... servers that aren't built in Java probably, but I don't know how faster those are
mortal zinc
what is that trying to accomplish?
olive garden
switch expressions are preview for sure
woven otter
how many of them actually perform better
void venture
switch expressions were a preview in 12, had a second preview in 13 and were officially released in 14
austere ivy
gosh darn it's pattern matching not pattern marching
how have I misread it this entire time
records are weird, but hey they might prove to be useful.
mossy sable
pulsar wigeon
records are fine but they aint value types :<
green turret
It's worth it if your profiler shows that you have a bottleneck or if you want to do it for shits and giggles.
Measure it, then decide.
mellow stratus
void venture
Wiz, didn't Project Valhalla release something about value types?
pulsar wigeon
"release"
upper flicker
they've released a sort of finalized plan now that they're mostly done experimenting after a few years
upper flicker
not like usable systems for end devs yet
that article set is pretty interesting though
pulsar wigeon
https://cr.openjdk.java.net/~briangoetz/valhalla/sov/01-background.html semi-recentish update
highly suggest the talk linked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkpcuL1t1lY) if you're interested in the internals
limber knotBOT
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pulsar wigeon
very interesting summary on how valhalla has been evolving and the challenges they need to overcome
upper flicker
I too recommend them ^
void venture
I'll watch it, thanks for the recommendation
upper flicker
I think the most recent update mentioned they're breaking it up a little too
value types will come first, generic specialization later
onyx steeple
Hey Paperinos
latent valve
0/0=1
onyx steeple
It's Minecraft, man.\
spark reef
void void
Easter happy!
olive garden
how can I do conditions in wolfram alpha?
so eg { 0 if x < 0; 1 if x >= 0 }
void void
forest flower
is there a plugin or smth to fix the donkey duplication glitch in 1.15.2?
muted ether
polar sonnet
if event.donkey== 2 then kill()
worn ember
green turret
Yay Brian Goetz. His talks are usually pretty good. Him and Stuart Marks.
forest flower
@worn ember thanks! where do i need to add that?
worn ember
ur brain
forest flower
sorry i am a noob 😄
worn ember
wasnt the donkey glitch patched in paper anyway
forest flower
looks like it isnt
forest flower
1.15.2 latest paper
worn ember
yeah best to just report it then
i'm sure no one wants to have duping donkeys
make sure you can reproduce it without plugins first
forest flower
is there any other dupe glitch on paper? looks like someone duped on my server and they had a donkey in their base
so i guess it was the donkey
worn ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
green turret
There's a lot of racism going on here...
worn ember
ur a mule, not a donkey
worn ember
well now ur a bastard 
green turret
void void
worn ember
Mama I'm a criminal 
forest flower
@spare venture i guess you can do that in the paper config?
delicate shadow
golden gust
no, that would be a plugin thing
we've fixed the donkey BS once or twice or thrice, but the entire logic for teleporting and stuff is janky
lean stone
worn ember
Ya'll, Jesus came back!!
void void
ha illegalstack, there currently an exploit to overload that plugin and chunk ban people
ashen cliff
Inbound Paper on Linux using Windows as swap.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-57-Experimental-SMB3-Swap
forest flower
illegal stack fixes tnt duping too...
golden gust
lolwtflol
ashen cliff
IllegalStack can do it, you can toggle most things.
slim nymph
why are you removing donkey chest, from what i saw, the dupe is fixed
forest flower
they duped items. idk how they did it but they had a donkey in their base
limber knotBOT
are you really running paper?
forest flower
yes
slim nymph
are you on 1.15?
forest flower
yup
slim nymph
the way the donkey dupe worked in older mc versions was the fact when you logged off your horse saved with you so you logged in on horse. from what i see in 1.15, you now dismount on logout
fierce temple
if i have bungeecord server, the plugin i put on proxy or every single server too?
antibot
limber knotBOT
I couldn't reproduce the dupe though, maybe there are more?
slim nymph
its difficult
fierce temple
antibot deluxe plugin cat
forest flower
idk if it even was the donkey. maybe it was another dupe glitch
slim nymph
i know how to fix it, i had it patched on 1.12 but since paper dropped 1.12 support didnt ever get it into 1.12
latent valve
donkey(entity with chest) are retarded entity shouldnt have exist in the first place
!
fierce temple
aikar, i am using exploitfixer plugin, will it impact to performance?
forest flower
well, you can dupe with lamas too
golden gust
this is literal basic computing
anything doing anything will take time
how much that impacts TPS, god knows
but it sure as heck ain't free
rain yew
pulsar wigeon
groovy dsl
rain yew
Question, is -MaxGCPauseMillis=50 fine? It's for a pvp server
spiral garden
@slim nymph so 1.12.2 is not patched for this?
slim nymph
nope
spiral garden
huh, good to know
slim nymph
and no @rain yew i found that hurts too much
void void
i think wwe client has this hack built in, something to do with the .vanish thing
slim nymph
rain yew
I'm trying to minimize performance impacts when the gc runs, so I was looking for a lower number.
rain yew
Alright, thanks
red current
surreal pollen
golden gust
mah entitlement plz
spiral garden
smh
upper flicker
Yup, that’s the MC community we know and love
spiral garden
1.12.2 is where i draw the line
anything before that is ancient
and why people still use it is beyond me
polar sonnet
Prealpha
spiral garden
bUt mAh pVp
by the way, have you noticed that DemonWav's paper repos never get any issues
that's because the code is PERFECTION
worn ember
or because no one uses them
rain yew
I have my reasons to use 1.8... But it's funny to see someone make a review of something they didn't use xd
worn ember
does it involve brain damage? /s
rain yew
xd Nah, I tried using 1.12 but for some reason viarewind and labymod are enemies or something.
I use forge and have no issues with 1.12 server and 1.8 client, but for some reason using 1.8 labymod client makes them have 1000ms for whatever reason.
Was forced to roll back to 1.8 server
worn ember
F
rain yew
UwU
latent valve
(┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻
worn ember
no
polar sonnet
UwU hows everyone doing today
naive narwhal
desert pasture
delicate shadow
Anyone know of any good lobby plugins?
That like handles everything? or maybe its just better to have multiverse + luckperms + essentialsX? idk
forest apex
vale bear
void void
anyone know where i can get deobfuscation mappings for minecraft client 1.12.2?
pulsar wigeon
like, spigot mappings...?
void void
spigot mappings are just server, aren't they?
ashen cliff
MCP has 1.12 server and client mappings I think.
void void
thanks, would that be the mcpconfig repo?
peak dirge
@still smelt another advantage: takes better advantage of modern multi-core CPUs
at least each server loop will run on a different core/thread
that's better than the single-server approach, which will use... one thread to run everything
void void
I used to run a successful network (60+) and we had 3 lobbies for whatever reason
and the player balancer that I made was so shit
slim nymph
when servers cry: https://i.imgur.com/pPJYW89.png
void void
It didn't even take in the amount of players per lobby server, just sent you to lobby 2 if the previous person was sent to lobby 1
yikes
slim nymph
13k Entities ._.
void void
9.2TPS
olive garden
lmao ronski
gentle sun
olive garden
I like your load balancer
void void
I was so trash back then
olive garden
I mean statistically, to be honest, if the two lobbies are the same, they should have the same number of players on average
void void
Like I've definitely gone a long way since then
olive garden
if you add some "rule of large numbers" to the mix
the chance of players leaving either lobby should be the same
noble elm
void void
👋
worldly saddle
mighty plank
wraith shell
golden gust
I just knocked a glass over my keyboard/desk
God, Ive never picked up a keyboard so fast
vestal jasper
Liquid
odd stone
polar sonnet
Hey liquid cooling is when you pour water on your cpu right?
polar sonnet
hi pimple
potent fossil
ya
deep gulch
blazing nebula
How are people able to sell forks of spigot if it’s licensed under gpl3 which forces forks to disclose source and also be licensed under gpl3
void void
they don't care
blazing nebula
Seems pretty... illegal
void void
go and report them
polar sonnet
Realistically speaking how hard would it be to find lol
blazing nebula
To who? The cyber police?
polar sonnet
Nevermind'
void void
there we go
blazing nebula
Where do I contact these cyber police?
blazing nebula
There aren’t, not really- they may have gamemode specific optimizations
polar sonnet
Found 1
blazing nebula
No spigot fork is worth 300 dollars like some sell for
limber knotBOT
@<MrZDok [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
polar sonnet
- Unlike other custom spigot forks, SSSpigot will be updated to new Minecraft versions. This is why the license duration is not unlimited.
- Based on the very latest version of PaperSpigot.
- Fix some possible bugs and vulnerabilities introduced by PaperSpigot due to outdated libraries
- We respect your privacy. We won't monitor you and removed metrics from Mojang, Spigot and PaperSpigot. So we cannot tell you how many people are using this server.
- Simple and Stupid. Features that plugins have implemented is up to plugins.
- The default configuration files are optimized
- More algorithms are async than PaperSpigot
- Async Startup
- Async player data saving
- Async path finder
- Configurable Custom ServerModName
- Extended view distance (no-tick-view-distance)
- Many algorithms are optimized.
- Removed a lot of useless code, improved performance and reduced size. (On March 20, 2020, the size of PaperSpigot is about 16% larger than the size of SSSpigot)
- Optimizations that may affect gameplay behavior are configurable.
latent valve
k bot
limber knotBOT
paying big money for „optimized pApErSpiGoT“ forks is a great way of showing the world how regarded one is!
KennyTV: [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
no u
polar sonnet
paperspigot
limber knotBOT
@<keepitfresh [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
polar sonnet
Whoa
golden gust
aka
they literally ripped off features from elsewhere, added in maybe one or two of their own trivial ones, and bundled a price on it
wide chasm
The only significant change paid forks make is the price tag.
blazing nebula
Which is an illegal change too
wide chasm
That list is just buzzwords "async", "optimized", "improved performance".
blazing nebula
It’s illegal to sell source
wide chasm
Unless they show actual benchmarks, all those words don't mean anything.
ancient bolt
fuck I need to buy discord nitro
static badge
yeah SSSpigot is just my patches
ancient bolt
@stiff yarrow will you buy discord nitro for me
limber knotBOT
i get Second World War vibes with so many S
ancient bolt
I need access to more taylor swift emojis
polar sonnet
Whats tuinity
blazing nebula
@ancient bolt since spigot is GPL licensed, which forces forks to also be GPL. How is selling a fork of it not illegal?
olive garden
GPL licensed stuff can be sold...
ancient bolt
you can sell GPL all day long
upper flicker
It’s not illegal to sell gpl software...
limber knotBOT
the more fun part is selling mojangs Server software
olive garden
lol
polar sonnet
Whats tuinity exactly
upper flicker
The GPL requires that those people you sold it to be able to see the source code however
ancient bolt
selling a reverse engineered modification of proprietary code is the fun part
blazing nebula
Really? But you have to have source public right? I’m not a lawyer just googled a bit
upper flicker
And that’s where most of those forks completely ignore it
blazing nebula
Ah okay
upper flicker
And then there’s the whole Minecraft part
ancient bolt
the source needs to be available to those you distribute to, not open
static badge
minecraft
blazing nebula
Now I understand, still most forks ignore that part as well
ancient bolt
ur legally dubious
queen rapids
static badge
ur dubious
wide chasm
Minecraft is just a giant minefield of legal bullshit, loopholes and licenses and everyone is now in some kind of yoga pose trying not to hit any mines
upper flicker
Just wait until Daddy Mojang gets home
limber knotBOT
I like to dance on the mine field 😎
wide chasm
Mojang doesn't really do any enforcement other than a server blacklist.
They're probably smart enough to realize that people won't like it when they start to throw legal stuff at everyone.
ancient bolt
I can't believe I paid $5 / month just so I can use taymojis, what has discord done to me 
limber knotBOT
microsoft/mojang sure to enforce rights to images etc in the commercial field
ancient bolt
limber knotBOT
just not the modding scene
limber knotBOT
taymojis
chilly mesa
polar sonnet
Is mojang even enforicing the eula anymore?
queen rapids
Twitter
stiff yarrow
@ancient bolt sure
Oh looks like I was too late and you had to pay for it yourself 😱
polar sonnet
Wasnt there a way to get around the eula?
potent fossil
:hmm:
polar sonnet
My bad
wide chasm
The blacklist yes, the EULA no
polar sonnet
But they've literally blocked like 1 servedr over the past 2 months'
stiff yarrow
@ancient bolt technically you can send source by mail and have the requester pay for postage, you don’t have to have the source easily accessible it just needs to be given when requested
potent fossil
wide chasm
Source costs $2.99 for shipping :)
potent fossil
@stiff yarrow can you like... force them to pay for you to print it out at kinkos page-by-page into a huge binder that is potentially very heavy to the point that it's cargo
and then ship a huge box to them
stiff yarrow
I think it has to be a digital copy of the source
potent fossil
damn
wide chasm
ships SSD
upper flicker
Depends on the text of the document
stiff yarrow
@spare venture it would hold up on court it’s part of gpl
potent fossil
if there wasn't, i would certainly be at kinkos printing it page-by-page
that is
if i was an asshole
which im not
of course
stiff yarrow
I am one of 5 people who read the entire gpl so clearly I’m an expert 🤡
olive garden
I'm pretty sure it doesn't need to be sent digitally
wide chasm
bows to nossr
stiff yarrow
You can send it on cd
olive garden
see, the master agrees
stiff yarrow
I don’t think printing out the source code counts
olive garden
lol
olive garden
that stef violated Bukkit's GPL license
stiff yarrow
There’s a few embedded system software companies I’m aware of under gpl who only give out the source when you ask for it
olive garden
no lol
not at all
GPL is pretty restrictive when it comes to so called "open-source" licenses
potent fossil
i prefer the WTFPL
olive garden
pretty sure the GPL FAQ uses the phrasing "source must be provided on request"
stiff yarrow
You can use MIT with GPL dunno about other licenses
wide chasm
I think anything that's more permissive than GPL is supposed to be fine
So pretty sure Unlicense is good
ashen cliff
If 1.8 didn't exist?
wide chasm
If they'd do that, maybe it'll become dead just like Brigadier /s
ashen cliff
Chaos. 300 forks, 280 just cherry-picking the other 20.
olive garden
I like LGPL and GPL. I published my source code openly and I wish to keep it public unless you want to use it for your private stuff.
but despite that I usually end up using MIT when it's a library that seems useful and might make its way into bigger projects
wide chasm
I don't care about my code, do with it what you want I don't care
limber knotBOT
that's not open source, lol
obtuse coral
upper flicker
That violates one of the core tenants of open source
wide chasm
Probably exists
upper flicker
So no
wide chasm
But not open source
upper flicker
There are licenses for that, they are not considered open source
olive garden
there are two definitions of "open source":
- source code is available in a humanely readable form
- you can use the source code for whatever you want to
wide chasm
Or just write a license yourself /s
No
But you can pretend to be ;)
It'll fail massively, but at least you tried and that's what counts /s
olive garden
yes, you can
potent fossil
sure you can, but it doesn't mean it's going to work exactly how you envisioned because if you don't take special care to eliminate all loopholes then you fucked yourself
not a good idea for anybody with no legal training, period
void void
https://prnt.sc/ry1q7g oh no
potent fossil
has nothing to do with personal intelligence
limber knotBOT
even the GPL isn't clear. not even after 3 versions, lol
wide chasm
Yeah, you'll just fail without the required expertise
void void
@still smelt ???
wide chasm
Even if you have a degree on law stuff, you probably want to run it by a bunch of other experts as well
potent fossil
did you fix the sync chunk loads city
heady spear
ye
heady spear
ye
potent fossil
:hmm:
wide chasm
How many times have you checked City?
heady spear
enough
void void
guys I have a very good excuse for running a PVP server
wide chasm
You need to check more City
void void
We don't have to worry about entities!
wide chasm
Just start a minigame server, those also don't have entities other than players.
potent fossil
you know when else you dont have to worry about entities?
void void
minigame
wide chasm
You can disable all Vanilla mechanics
heady spear
No but I'm like too fucking booooored
wide chasm
Hoppers ticking? We don't do that here.
heady spear
I've considered either working on FAWE or multiverse but both of them are yikes
void void
🙃
heady spear
and idk if I'm that bored
potent fossil
start a new project city
heady spear
lol
wide chasm
City I have a fun project for you to work on, but it requires basic Skript knowledge :)
heady spear
no
https://github.com/IntellectualSites/PlotSquared/pull/2757
I'm waiting for this to get merged so I can publish the damn update
void void
JavaSkript™️
heady spear
but matt decided to sleep and shit which is very annoying
wide chasm
It doesn't need to be advanced, if you can read a Hello World Skript it's good enough
But advanced would be like add-ons and stuff
Don't know that either :)
Do you want me dead?
potent fossil
tempting
wide chasm
Simple watch out or I'll let you analyze my timings screenshot
heady spear
I think I'm just gonna sleep instead
I want to add tab completion to multiverse tho, that would be quite nice
someone else should do it for me
magic ice
wait is it a screenshot, or a picture from your phone?
because only the latter is acceptable
ah yes
wide chasm
I open timings on my phone and screenshot that
magic ice
then put it on your computer, and used your phone to take a picture of that screenshot
wide chasm
But I zoomed in on the graph above, so only that's visible
polar sonnet
What are your guys thoughts on Skript?
void void
Skript's a joke
if you don't know java
also my plugin folder is 0.98GB
No Core Protect
void venture
It's useful for a game like Minecraft
void venture
the implementation might not be the most efficient but the idea alone is rather interesting
void void
I was Beta Testing and I never turned on MySQL for my plugin
that handles practically every Stats related
ohh I know now
The JAR my server had of my plugin was the version where I didn't fix duplicate stats
There's 1000 lines of stat data for 1 player
heady spear
PostgreSQL is much better than MySQL, sadly few support it
ah yes but also no
granite salmon
mysql is a blackhole where data is free
heady spear
1 byte actually only takes up 0.5 bytes in mysql because it uses magic
potent fossil
ok
void void
What the hell, my dev just restarted the server and DMs me that I need to restart
potent fossil
nice
void void
probably our events plugin
potent fossil
ok
void void
Do you know any good GFX person?
heady spear
wow mean