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#general
latent valve
Limo
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there's godzilla
woven otter
isn't cat a bot too?
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- 5
latent valve
Li-me not lime it li-me
heady spear
4th is clearly malware
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there's korobi - 6
left swift
Leafy - 7
lost token
can someone tell me why webhooks are talking in chat lol
limber knotBOT
because discord sucks
lost token
uh what are you using to talk in here if discord sucks lol
limber knotBOT
webhooks have taken over
latent valve
Er
void void
irc doesnt get edits
limber knotBOT
technically we here at papermc at have a couple of bridges
latent valve
So we can say smt and talk shit by edit it nice
limber knotBOT
we have myspace to facebook to twitter to telegram to csgo in game lobby chat to discord
limber knotBOT
occasionally it goes through 4chan too
golden gust
esper bridge is dead
limber knotBOT
nobody uses esper anymore
void void
in that case...
void void
IRC is literally still used by its original developer
The US Military
:^)
It's a tactical chat
But now it's used for memes
lost token
s u c c
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.g does the us military use irc for tactical communications
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/31/3937516/inside-the-us-militarys-tactical-irc-system -- Inside the US military's tactical IRC system - The Verge: "Jan 31, 2013 ... First used by the military in the 1990s, online chat systems like IRC have become an indispensable part of tactical communication...."
lost token
bruh military irc is just a cod game chat
void void
yeah except real
latent valve
Nono ruski rush b spinbot ok gogo
latent valve
Yea it only 3 letter IRC radio is 5
lost token
but is irc even secure for something like military lol
void void
this can be sent in 10 seconds vs having to say it aloud WITH phonetics and also having to deal with interference
"IMMEDIATE Fire Mission, POO, Grid 28M MC 13245 24512, Killbox 32AY1SE, POI GRID 28M MC 14212 26114, Killbox 32AY3NE, MAX ORD 8.5K"
that killbox is literally 3, 2, alfa, yankee, 1, sierra, echo
vs just typing it
lol
its faster
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what is this military speak
worn ember
and if you swap 2 numbers you blowing up the market instead
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unless we are planning the next hiroshima gtfo
void void
thats just the fucking phonetic alphabet plz leaf
@worn ember thats actually a problem
and the reason we "read back"
and give "readback correct"
;)
do you mean ENCRYPTED
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what kind of dumb question is that
worn ember
this doesnt work for blind people, the military discriminates
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of course it is encrypted
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sending shit to an irc serbur
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now that would be hilarious
worn ember
jokes on them, i've already infiltrated their IRC under the codename EL3T3_OFF1C3R
void void
lel
worn ember
whats slack
void void
go die yourself
left swift
Lol
void void
slack is horrible
worn ember
it was sarcasm
void void
yeah well even so
left swift
Rote
void void
go die yourself for thinking it
worn ember
go sewer side
void void
š®
worn ember
left swift
worn ember
plz no ban
left swift
Blue eyes is better
worn ember
mfw i have my headset on but still have the audio on speakers
void void
you fucking retard
left swift
Yes
void void
.kill nomanasendhelp
limber knotBOT
stuffs some TNT up nomanasendhelp's ass and waits for it to go off.
worn ember
rip butthole
left swift
Where
void void
btw how is this "community feedback and suggestions", he's clearly post farming :^) https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/learning-java.419808/#post-3703254
worn ember
are we talking minecraft tnt? cuz that in itself would already destroy his ass
lost token
not without the redstone
left swift
He just want to learn java so he learn can java programming simp
left swift
Lol
void void
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/simplesocial.75404/
"this is new technology!"
bitch what the fuck
left swift
Will this is new technology :o
left swift
Is that ur plugin simple
left swift
Make the server conncted
void void
i decompiled it and it's literal ass
ember ferry
left swift
It's legit and not malware?
void void
its legit
left swift
Yike
void void
i once made a plugin that lets you run arbitrary system commands from minecraft
its borderline malware
idk why it's still up
void void
left swift
void void
it's worth the reactions it invokes from others
lost token
i guess its useful if you happen to want to ping some random website or pirate windows while playing minecraft
void void
left swift
63 downloads
lost token
you can never be so sure
left swift
I want to be able to launch a Minecraft server from my Minecraft server console
lost token
simple you might as well make a ddos tool in minecraft
left swift
lost token
make a full on hacker toolkit in minecraft
or make a plugin that you can use to make a plugin in minecraft
left swift
skript
lost token
you can never run out of useless such useful ideas
ember ferry
left swift
Guy pinged cat
void void
i lold
gilded perch
void void
regal tangle
void void
The amount of people telling me that bootstrap is evil and that you should do everything with plain CSS have never worked in a fast-paced "get it done yesterday" environment
guaranteed
void void
ok but why
void void
it must be mindblowing to know that you dont have to keep its default theme
golden gust
I generally prefer to do my own css, tbqh, but, there are times when that is just too much of a pita
well, yea, but like...
spending time to find a nice theme is just...
like...
ya know
void void
i just override its color scheme in the scss files
and recomp it to css
'comp', i guess 'translate'
cinder phoenix
shell vine
worn ember
how much should i charge for a plugin that has tiered explosives?
and a bunch of other minor things
i was thinking like $20 ish?
worn ember
commision
lmao
sorry for not specifying
dude wants me to do it for 15 but i feel that would be to little
someone very good could probably do it in like an hour or 2-3 so i feel like that'd be a fair price
void void
void void
anyone know a dynmap fix for skins API?
unreal quarry
skins api?
pulsar wigeon
flexstar is one of those people who thinks everyone is a psychic
probably trying to connect to mojang servers with outbound traffic blocked or something retarded ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
who knows
void void
17:15:10 [INFO] [WorldBorder] [Fill] 268 more chunks processed (3397526 total, ~52.2%) (free mem: 6667 MB)
half way there
heady spear
Why the fuck is the gym crowded at 5am
void void
y gym when u can mine
heady spear
Before I stopped going 6 months ago I was always alone here at this time lol
Then come my surgery, me not being able to workout for 6 months and now everything has changed
Sad
left swift
new year new workout
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nobody follows up with new year resolutions
mine was to not be retarded but here I am still in #general
left swift
hmm
heady spear
I mean I never wanted to stop but I physically wasnāt able to continue lel
left swift
have you tried going outside
heady spear
Iāve followed up on all of mine. I now wake up at 4am every day, Iāve raised my GPA, started eating healthy again and here I am at the gym :]
latent valve
City flexing that he go to the gym but actually he just go there and chill take some pic and head out :p i see you š
latent valve
.g elliptical
limber knotBOT
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heady spear
I donāt do cardio because ew
left swift
Good ol' dick's
heady spear
I used to run in high school but thatās just because we needed extracurricular credits
But I ran into a moose once and now Iām afraid of forests
left swift
tame it next time and ride it to the gym
latent valve
City u know what u gotta do take out da hagelbƶssa and bam u get dinner
heady spear
Am vegetarian š¦
latent valve
F
heady spear
Plus I canāt even digest meat had I wanted to
heady spear
Meh
Not eating meat makes my food cheaper
If I wasnāt allergic to grass Iād just go outside eating the lawnmower clippings
latent valve
š š food cost per month? 0
heady spear
Tbh my food is still expensive because Iām a pretentious snob
Plus everything in this bloody country is expensive
Especially alcohol so idk how ima afford to be an alcoholic
heady spear
Half of CSN goes to systemet
latent valve
Lmao
heady spear
I mean I think I have access to the uni chem lab
latent valve
Well 5min bike and i can get afew liter lol
heady spear
I mean itās cheaper to just drive to Germany
heady spear
My friend did that and then sold it during nollningen here
She made soooo much money lol
latent valve
$ ez mooney
heady spear
But yeah systemet bloody sucks plus they never have anything cool stocked
If you want shit that actually tastes good youāll have to milk some babushka
latent valve
Close on sunday \o/ which suck af
limber knotBOT
billy what issue with canceling?
heady spear
In Ćrebro they have one right next to uni which makes a lot of sense
But Ćrebro is fucked up and no one should live their, let alone study there
latent valve
Was thinking to move to gƶteborg but meh prob gonna be kiruna or smt gƶtwborg just straight up š®
wanton matrix
latent valve
Yea Goodbye!
heady spear
Iām probably moving to Stockholm for my masters
latent valve
Kth?
heady spear
But solely because of KTH. Although itās also basically home sooo
latent valve
Ahha
heady spear
Although kth is kinda overrated
Plus getting an apartment in Stockholm pretty much requires you tell your soul to knugen
heady spear
Yeah ik it kinda blows
limber knotBOT
@billy that's canceling the lightning caused by a trident with channeling afaik there's nothing in there protecting item entities
that or I'm not understanding what you're asking
worn ember
More corona
unreal quarry
It's alright, robo. I made a client mod to save the items from certain death already ^_^
limber knotBOT
wut it do, pick up items when about 2 b kill?
unreal quarry
Nah, prevents them from dieing unless the server says they're dead
unreal quarry
Sadly, yes
unreal quarry
Try it yourself. Make a plug-in that cancels all damage dealt to item entities. Then throw diamonds into lava or fire. The items disappear because the client killed them, but the server still has them there so you can go to them and pick them back up
austere ivy
Was this a recent change?
pulsar wigeon
austere ivy
I was really excited for CMI at first, finally a modern Essentials that has cool new features? Then I found out it was really, really buggy and kinda unmaintained.
limber knotBOT
but ya, that developer is definitely known for that
he also maintains residence and had this long standing bug
austere ivy
essX works I guess but I feel like it's kinda outdated
limber knotBOT
where he checked the player's location instead of the block's location for doing chest protection
it aint outdated
austere ivy
it's maintained, I suppose, but I yearn for something that has new features and takes advantage of the new API since like forever ago
limber knotBOT
look at dates
it does
lol
there's a wiki page that has all of the new stuff documented
and either way it's a large enough plugin
pulsar wigeon
but does it have a kitchen sink
limber knotBOT
TehBrian is a sink
austere ivy
I'm a what
unreal quarry
pulsar wigeon
don't see you contributing
austere ivy
but yes I do see all the features.
What happened with Essentials anyway? Was it just that it became unmaintained and that's it or was there some kinda drama? Why did it take such a long time for EssX to come along?
(or any fork for that matter)
unreal quarry
Ess devs moved to sponge
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lol maintaining essentials
unreal quarry
Then they fizzed out, afaik
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/essentials -- Overview - Essentials - Bukkit Plugins - Projects - Bukkit: "The Essentials plugin is available in a number of different bundles, and the various modules can be configured to give a unique server experience,..."
austere ivy
Is Sponge still kickin around? A while ago, well I guess now a long time ago, sponge was this new big thing that arose because of the whole bukkit shebang
along with Cauldron I think?
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cauldron dead
austere ivy
anyway bukkit is still #1 ,_,
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sponge i think is active
austere ivy
"thankfully"
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.g spongepowered github
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/SpongePowered -- SpongePowered Ā· GitHub: "Organization behind the Sponge Project. SpongePowered has 45 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub."
worn ember
Lagging behind a bit
austere ivy
hmm how does md_125 do it so fast, then?
magic ice
He doesnāt really change far too much
Sponge is working on a near rewrite of their API
austere ivy
ah very cool
worn ember
again?
unreal quarry
Every sponge version is a rewrite
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they removing optionals?
unreal quarry
Probably why it's not taking
worn ember
Well it is taking
worn ember
taking very long
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really now
austere ivy
actually I do not know
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me doubt very much
limber knotBOT
Streamfrost is spottedleaf?
unreal quarry
Yes
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no
austere ivy
hey leaf can I be developer #1 with a star on it that says "best developer"? I don't use optionals because I don't even know how to use them
you can be sure I'll never use them
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I can't give roles
austere ivy
that's why I'm the best dev right?
magic ice
Optionals are still there lol
limber knotBOT
I thought it was just some dum dumcordian
but I guess mr leaf has turned into one
austere ivy
leaf do you want me to call you leaf or sf or steam or frost or stfr or reamost?
worn ember
I like optionals. God forbid comparing to null
austere ivy
non-meme are optionals actually bad?
limber knotBOT
At least my client isn't electron
worn ember
They're pretty useless yeah
limber knotBOT
alright
what is your client
call me the "better version of z750"
is that the lounge
no
worn ember
Optionals aren't bad brian. They're just... Well kinda useless
limber knotBOT
IRC Explorer, Windows app
good you're not a plebian
jfc
irc explorer
what a name
syncs everything to all my other devices
windows explorer
internet explorer
and then irc explorer
worn ember
Mars explorer when
austere ivy
bvoz then, alright
bvoz what's the alternative to optionals?
let me actually just go and take a look at them
worn ember
If == null
limber knotBOT
on hololens
austere ivy
what
that's the most useless thing
why not just == null yourself??
ah yes I see your guys' point now
worn ember
austere ivy
there we go thank you
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who is bvoz
austere ivy
that's your name now
austere ivy
better version of z750 is a tad too long to type so that's your new nickname
magic ice
On the other end though, optionals tell devs that a value can be null
austere ivy
alright goodnight everyone.
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you know what else tells people a value can be null
3 seconds of javadoc
2 seconds of a nullability annotation
magic ice
Not saying itās the best solution, but Iām just sayin š¤·āāļø
Thatās what itās purpose is for
limber knotBOT
https://youtu.be/IcJ-JuA_K7U?t=74 mars explorer or something
(RoboMWM) NASA's Mars Hololens Demo - The Gadget Show - length 5m 11s - 598 likes, 15 dislikes (97.6%) - 68,731 views - The Gadget Show on 2016.11.25
worn ember
Isnt there some uses for it with lambdas? Maybe I'm just hallucinating tho
void void
u wot m8
worn ember
magic ice
Yeah you can use lambdas with it
worn ember
unreal quarry
ever wondered what an 8 foot wide water main rupture looks like? here you go https://youtu.be/c5mYYt883pg?t=1015
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Full coverage of water main break in east Houston - length 5h 51m 49s - 92 likes, 5 dislikes (94.8%) - 14,275 views - KHOU 11 on 2020.02.28
void void
sweet
void void
guys send fucking help jesus christ
someone sent this and asked why isn't it working
merry talon
quasi valley
vestal jasper
Ok
void void
read better
vestal jasper
On mobile
void void
they're in the node repl, my dude
vestal jasper
It cut the messages out
vestal jasper
Ok
vestal jasper
I just got home from work
void void
ah that explains it
vestal jasper
Brains at 1% rn
void void
customer service will do that to you
"and can i help you with anything else today sir?"
vestal jasper
Yeah I'm not charismatic so I have to try to be nice
It's not difficult but it's draining
merry talon
@unreal quarry why didn't they just shut it off
void void
im guessing but they'd have to shut off the entire city
it's a main
that would be drastic af
merry talon
well yeah but people already aren't getting the water because its all going onto the street
unreal quarry
they did eventually
void void
lmao rip
unreal quarry
its huge
void void
Texans
heady spear
Is Texas just a prank
vocal mortar
void void
hey
unreal quarry
most places were named after their founders or for what they were well known for. Sugar Land was home for the Imperial Sugar Company and had massive sugar farms. Humble is named after it's founder, Pleasant S Humble. etc
i would have named it Pleasantville. missed an opportunity there, imho
grizzled vortex
left swift
Pleasantville from the sims 3
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Dog eats Bean Burrito in 1 second - length 15s - 269,806 likes, 3,990 dislikes (98.5%) - 5,760,502 views - daymont on 2008.09.22
void void
Good Boy Bubba
deft tartan
merry talon
how does he taste it then
unreal quarry
woven otter
Efficiency
void void
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summit_(supercomputer) -- Summit (supercomputer) - Wikipedia: "Summit or OLCF-4 is a supercomputer developed by IBM for use at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, which as of November 2019 is the fastest supercomputer..."
void void
void void
some people use system-wide color inverting
i know a guy who does this
everything is in light mode and then inverts colors in accessibility settings
"better dark mode basically", he said
fallen jungle
Didn't work well with old apple devices at least
But they were old apple devices
the color scheme resulted in the inverse being black + some strange mix of orange and brown
I mean it was likely correctly inverted, just that the inverses weren't exactly pretty for the most part
heady spear
the lab instructor told me to include loads of figures, but they serve no purpose so now I'm just bsing them
like this picture doesn't explain anything
worn ember
How does it not explain anything?
void void
can i charge my steve like a charged creeper?
heady spear
It doesn't explain anything that isn't immediately obvious from a single sentence
it just clutters the report
I understanding including figures if they actually make shit easier to understand lmao
plus it was a bitch to create in tikz <.<
void void
heady zinc
Let's say I have a machine with an SSD and an HDD and want to make it into a Minecraft server. I would obviously have the Minecraft server installed on the SSD, but should I also have the OS on the SSD or would it make sense to install it on the HDD to minimize disk i/o?
limber knotBOT
your hdd is basically useless
if you have the space on your ssd
<jāetāp2ā50ā> so Mini uses IJ on light mode <--- I use light mode at work and dark mode that home
allows me to easily separate
latent valve
prob too drunk to know where he is so need to have specific theme to know where he is
:p
limber knotBOT
and like, I am in a pretty well lit office and do presentations all the time, etc, makes zero sense to use dark theme
heady zinc
While I'm at it, the machine in question only has 4GB of RAM total, which is a bit low for a Minecraft server. Would it still be enough at the scale I'm working with (usually around 6 to 8 people online during peak hours)?
heady zinc
Is it? I was under the impression that RAM quickly becomes a limiting factor
limber knotBOT
sure, but for <10 ppl 2gb is fine
heady zinc
CPU isn't exactly stellar either, it's a core i3-2100.
limber knotBOT
you will much quicker run in cpu bottlenecks
still better than most of the shit shared hosts use š
but yeah, its far from optimal, since its so old its single core performance is bad
heady zinc
I was thinking of something like a minimal Arch Linux install on the machine, headless JRE, and throw the server in with 3GB of RAM allocated.
And maybe backup the world on the HDD once in a while? 
limber knotBOT
arch on a server? :D
just get openjdk 11 or 13
not sure if 1gb is enough for the system but could work
heady zinc
I mean it's not like I exactly care if I fuck up an upgrade on that server
But I guess any Linux distro would do, really
Probably don't even need a GUI, just the terminal would be enough
latent valve
then hour later City get all his assignments back with a big fat red text REDO
mint swift
dawn hull
fresh wing
void void
limber knotBOT
ah yes, advertising shitty let's plays on a minecraft server discord
wer da modz at?
wide chasm
@cerulean sky Please stop spamming your video
wide chasm
Thanks
latent valve
Why so fast?? Was bouta click it
limber knotBOT
#IRCneverforgets
worn ember
ez dislike
latent valve
š® n dislike
worn ember
everything or nothing
latent valve
Minecraft::tickEntity - nms.EntityVillagercount(1326236) total(62.82% 300.163s, 218.70% of tick)avg(0.23ms per - 109.35ms/483.15 per tick)
void void
void void
worn ember
villagers need big brain thats why they use so much
limber knotBOT
pretty worthless without the actual timings
latent valve
ik was spawning 2600villager in 20*20 area
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White theme shows the outline
limber knotBOT
irc shows the FakeFly.png file name :P
kinda works in ripcord though https://i.phoenix616.dev/fHTPqCGM.png
limber knotBOT
more like "how dare you not use an open source 3rd party client" :S
austere ivy
isn't that illegal though?
limber knotBOT
lolno
austere ivy
aGaInSt ThE tOs
void void
guys %bungee_total% doesnt work for me in papi
limber knotBOT
creating it? maybe. using it? probably not
austere ivy
why are you asking here, Stelios?
void void
idk
limber knotBOT
also I just found https://github.com/WamWooWam/Unicord which looks interesting
austere ivy
paper doesn't own papi or bungee
void void
too lazy to join an other discord
austere ivy
,_,
void void
maybe u guys knew
left swift
Papi is such s gross name for it
void void
š
austere ivy
Remember when they added the /daddy command and got a huge amount of backlash for it?
void void
didn't someone start a drama because /papi was aliased to /daddy ?
limber knotBOT
eww, it has major missing functionality :(
void void
wew brian
austere ivy
Yeah that was clip, he added that.
I'd be mad too, because /papi obviously translates to /grandfather >:(
left swift
austere ivy
I'm checking out Ripcord, doesn't seem like a bad start
limber knotBOT
also not open source
austere ivy
What happens there?
limber knotBOT
and doesn't properly support webhooks
austere ivy
I thought ripcord was opensource
void void
simply doesn't allow you to send a message
limber knotBOT
see the "not" part? :P
void void
austere ivy
I still want Discord to have some competition, this amount of market share is not OK and it's the same reason Skype got complacent, went downhill, and started making their clients bloated and ugly and horrible.
limber knotBOT
don't forget skype including advertisment directly into the client xD
I wish matrix would support group calls :S
worn ember
no, the reason skype got trash is cuz microsoft ruined it
and tries so hard to monitize it
or well tried
austere ivy
I still never got Skype.
It allowed phone calling which was kinda.. strange, I don't know. I never used it for phone calling.
pulsar wigeon
makes perfect sense, you just weren't the demographic for it
limber knotBOT
wasn't it like the first easy to use client for video calls?
skype was all about calling ppl
voice and video
phone calling made 100% sense
and was a nice way to monetize
austere ivy
ah
dawn oar
limber knotBOT
does anybody know of a good plugin to program entity behaviour ingame? kinda like turtles in modded (or something simpler I guess)
river gyro
limber knotBOT
is there a way to create an entity, do something and then spawn it?
ah there is spawn with a consumer
nice
runic stream
worn ember
Consume me 
cedar spade
phoenix616: Citizens has a path system you can configure in-game, but it's a faff
limber knotBOT
yeah, not looking for something that heavy tbh
just need something that can give entities small directions like "walk there", "patrol between these two locations", "break any block that appears at this place"
stuff like that
welcome on the CIA or FBI terrorist watchlist
nova badge
lmfao. I'm down the street, should I ask them to attack? x'D
void void
left swift
How's the taste
limber knotBOT
austere ivy
oh my gosh I'm mentally blind
limber knotBOT
btw Brian, does your builder's utilities fork have a fixed noclip?
austere ivy
Define fixed?
I modified it a bit but I still haven't gotten around to making it how I want it to be.
limber knotBOT
apparently it was having issues with not reacting when you flew into a block
just what I heard, I'm not actually using that plugin xD
austere ivy
Oh yeah, it still is funky because it's just checking if the block is solid instead of checking if you're hitting a hitbox, so things like slabs really don't work too well.
limber knotBOT
WINE shouldn't take that long to build unless you did it on a really slow computer or didn't enable parallel building
I see
austere ivy
worn ember
or if you use apple 
austere ivy
I really want to work on it a bit more but I'm either stressing about school, doing school, or procrastinating doing school.
limber knotBOT
On that computer with make -j4 I'd expect it to take like 20 minutes
I mean you could just procrastinate by working on it :P
Although you basically couldn't do anything else while that was going
austere ivy
Oh, I just did make
Yeah phoenix I'm trying out that whole "productive procrastination" thing, lol. On the bright side my room is really clean!
I'm also trying to make noclip work nicely if you're walking and you run into a block, because currently it just forces you to fly and doesn't put you back.
I'd appreciate any prs because I tried completely changing it but the order of the code really seems to affect it.
limber knotBOT
just don't let the productive procrastinating take over your live... I started that back in university and now I have tons of open source minecraft plugins and stuff flying around ;_;
*life xD
austere ivy
lol, are you still in uni or?
limber knotBOT
no
austere ivy
what'd you go for?
limber knotBOT
computer science
austere ivy
ah, very nice, how was that?
limber knotBOT
too theoretical for my liking
but that was due to my choice of uni :S
I did the productive procrastination thing for a long time once, all I got out of it was 3 years of CraftBukkit
Oh, and a neat kotlin persistent data structure library, can't forget that one
austere ivy
aaagh, doesn't seem like Noteblock Studio is going to work.
What a shame, I wish there was an alternative.
limber knotBOT
eww, it's in game maker
void void
Hah well that new user shit that was happening was known to discord
They're dm spammers. But they got disabled right as they joined, and bulk kicked later
Hence why nobody heard a thing from them, ever
left swift
Blargh
austere ivy
Alright, well I suppose I'll see you all later.
oh yeah! Quick question.
I'm not using pterodactyl anymore for my server so I just have a CLI and that's it. What's the best way to have daily restarts and/or automatic restarting when it crashes?
(https://reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/fat0wc/got_some_startbat_code/ this post reminded me)
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) got some start.bat code? : admincraft - 10 comments, 15 points - SIVERT111, 8h ago
left swift
Idk best but there are cron jobs you can setup
Someone was working on a script that auto restarted when it crashed too in paperhelp
A loop
limber knotBOT
yeah I just use a loop and a cronjob for planed restarts
austere ivy
HEY
you know what I like about python?
NAMED ARGUMENTS.
No need for class builders or a gajillion overloaded methods, you just specify the ones you need
I like it
ember crag
I use systemd so I don't have to use a loop.
But I also use cron for planned restarts though.
Problem with the loop method is that if something terminates your script, you lose crash recovery until the next scheduled restart.
limber knotBOT
Holy cow I knew Go was kind of trash but it's even worse than I thought https://fasterthanli.me/blog/2020/i-want-off-mr-golangs-wild-ride/
They changed time.Time to store wall time and a monotonic time (always increases so you can do math on it to get durations)
atomic karma
limber knotBOT
So transparently any code that was (probably incorrectly) doing math on Time values has different behavior because this now uses the monotonic part
Even worse, they didn't want to increase the size of time.Time so they packed the two values into the existing space which reduces the range of times you can represent, it can't do anything before 1950
Oh and of course each call now does two calls to the OS to get these two time values even if you only care about one of them
monotonic time is System.nanoTime(), btw
wall time would be System.currentTimeMillis()
golden gust
I'd say that you should learn go
But, then again
You already have enough reasons to hate yourself
uncut fern
@austere ivy if youre still looking for a restart plugin I use ServerRestart https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/serverrestart-1-13-1-14.57570/
unless you meant in your batch/sh file. Just use a loop
while true
do
java -jar server.jar -nogui
echo "Starting in 5 seconds"
sleep 5
done
I guess that could work
but
how can I make it restart daily?
preferably not a plugin
unreal quarry
uh, that's going to restart the OS, not the MC server lol
still dew
gray elbow
limber knotBOT
Go is for if you want Java or Python but easier to simpler, easier to distribute, and (for python anyway) faster
If you want bare metal performance without having to deal with C or C++ look to Rust
But as that link showed Go's idea of simpler has a downside
I'd still reach for Go in situations where you'd otherwise use Python but want it to run faster without having to put in the work to make a proper program in Rust but that's a pretty narrow usecase
Otherwise Go is mainly meant for writing web servers but I think Java or even Node would be a better fit there
worn ember
didnt care to read it all
austere ivy
did not work
when the machine boots up I am greeted with:
@unreal quarry I don't mind restarting the os as well
but
I am greeted with this when the machine boots up
it does not start the server, and I need to log in manually
how's it going to log in anyway?
unreal quarry
it does exactly what you told it to do. you just dont understand what it is you told it
unreal quarry
you dont want that guide, like i already said
austere ivy
adding @reboot sleep 45 && cd /path/to/your/file/ && bash start.sh to crontab isn't doing that then?
I want the OS to restart at some time each night, I want the server to automatically start up if the OS is ever booted up, and I want the server to keep starting itself if it ever crashes.
How can I do that?
uncut fern
@austere ivy that plugin runs on Chrontasking, so you can specify when to restart, and it doesnt affect server performance
austere ivy
How would I be able to do that myself?
hmm
the server is up
ah, so it just doesn't
okay I got it
How would I be able to view the server console with all https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/daily-reboot-and-mc-server-autostart/ going on?
unreal quarry
why are you restarting the OS daily? thats such a waste
austere ivy
hmm well two things
- how is it a waste
- wouldn't just straight up
rebooting the server not save the server?
uncut fern
you really dont need to restart your OS
unreal quarry
ok, so basically what that guide is telling you to do is setup a cron job that runs at a specific time that restarts your OS. it doesnt cleanly shut down your server, so you will experience rollbacks each time this happens. Anyways. The MC server porocess gets killed, the OS reboots. When it boots back up the OS then starts a screen session and fires up your MC server inside it. To get into the screen session you have to login to SSH and attach yourself to it with screen -x
austere ivy
screen -x there it is
uncut fern
restarting WEEKLY? š¤
austere ivy
alright, I read it
left swift
Lol
austere ivy
two things if screen -x is what I must do, why didn't screen -ls show the screen?
Secondly, mc server process isn't cleanly shutting down. What should I be doing instead?
unreal quarry
then you didnt setup your stuff right
austere ivy
but the server is on
unreal quarry
you logged into the same user the screen was started with?
austere ivy
The guide doesn't have a mention of a new screen instance anywhere.
unreal quarry
peak dirge
Amaranth: talk about Go being extremely annoying and limiting! We use it quite a bit at Mineteria and at this point I've had to accept the fact that it's good at some tasks but terrible at others. Unfortunately, Go is the hip language for "the cloud", and we use Kubernetes and Docker... so we have a significant amount of Go code.
austere ivy
let me try logging into root
unreal quarry
the output of screen -x has determined that that is a lie
inb4 your cron job ran as root
smh
limber knotBOT
We're doing everything in TypeScript where I work, can't say for sure if that's better or not
peak dirge
I think that article you linked is pretty fair: Rust's type system allows this to be expressed much better.
limber knotBOT
The types are certainly better than Go (that isn't hard) but the ecosystem and performance not so much
It's not even so much about Rust's type system being better though in the article
peak dirge
Yeah, Node.js is not exactly something I want to write performance-critical code in
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
Go could have had almost the same API just with their foo, error returns instead of Results
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
But Go makes that API painful to write and painful to use so people don't
peak dirge
For that, Rust does the job a lot better. Go can also make a competent showing in performance-sensitive code, too.
My main beef with Go is that it's very, very verbose.
limber knotBOT
Go is mostly just proof that you can get 80% of the performance from an optimizing compiler with like 3 of the optimization passes rather than the 60 or so we have and those 3 are some of the fastest to perform as well
austere ivy
what user are cron jobs logged into
peak dirge
But there's little issues like file permissions where Go assumes everyone speaks Unix when Microsoft makes an operating system that is most definitely not Unix.
In other words, Go is a representation of the Pareto principle.
limber knotBOT
Someone working on a new JIT for Ruby also showed this recently although their JIT actually takes C as input because Ruby's existing JIT is just "emit C, compile it, run that instead"
limber knotBOT
So they wrote a "most of C" compiler with the optimization passes that give you the biggest win in a few thousand lines of code
austere ivy
@unreal quarry hmm so what do I do?
limber knotBOT
unreal quarry
no clue @austere ivy maybe you didnt start a screen session and now your server is running headless
i'm still confused why you think the OS needs to reboot so often. its literally designed to have an uptime of years so you doing it daily/weekly/monthly is just such a huge waste imo
magic river
unreal quarry
oh, so you copy pasted without thinking
austere ivy
okay what's your solution, Billy?
unreal quarry
well that'll get you in a mess rather quickly
austere ivy
I suppose it would
magic river
The compilation speed of the MIR-generator is about 180 times faster than GCC with -O2. It takes 80 microseconds to generate the code for the sieve. And the sieve code generated by the MIR generator is only 6% slower.
Go basically makes the same tradeoffs (although iirc it does even less optimization than this thing) then adds in a GC
latent valve
Now disable download
west latch
peak dirge
Yeah... it was not that long ago when Go added SSA representation, lol
austere ivy
@unreal quarry I've undone everything the guide told me to do. What do you think I should do, then? I want the server to automatically restart if it's stopped for some reason, and I want the server to restart automatically nightly.
magic river
That MIR project doesn't actually use SSA
austere ivy
That wouldn't automatically restart it if it's stopped, right?
peak dirge
Fair, just agreeing with you that Go definitely doesn't optimize as much
unreal quarry
you have to put a loop in your start script to make it restart if stopped
austere ivy
How's the learning curve, Viper?
My plugins are taking too long to build for me and I've been wanting something faster.
fallen oracle
Gradle is zoom
Once the daemon starts up, it takes a solid 3 or 4 seconds to recompile
Depending on the size of your project.
golden gust
if you know maven, you already know a lot about gradle, it's really just different tooling and getting to grips with groovy or kotlin
kotlin based build scripts are ā¤ļø
fallen oracle
I have about 170 or so classes in one of my plugins and it takes about 2-4 seconds to compile.
golden gust
But, new, so, some level of hells sometimes when tryna look for stuff
Gradles incremental compiler also actually works vs maven
the trick for maven is to disable the incremental compiler to get it to work
fallen oracle
I use Kotlin but I haven't ever gotten the Kotlin build scripts to work properly so I settled for Gradle.
peak dirge
Ah, I see why he didn't use SSA
Using SSA simplifies the optimization implementations, but building and destroying this form is expensive. Using SSA for the MIR generatorās short-pass pipeline makes little sense to me, so I donāt use it.
fallen oracle
Ya
peak dirge
Which totally makes sense given that he wanted the JIT to compile code as quickly as possible
fallen oracle
Does JDK version make a difference?
We have a PR open in Essentials right now for Gradle and it takes like 10 seconds to compile all the projects.
limber knotBOT
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fallen oracle
Well you can also write in 11 and have it compile as 8
I don't lmao
Ahh
I just stuck to 8, probabaly not the best idea, but eh.
Lol
Yeah
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golden gust
no, because netty
limber knotBOT
pets electroniccat
void void
mental oriole
Hello
worn ember
latent valve
Cat if u see this can u add .try link to https://tryitands.ee
https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/682395748255793164
worn ember
just ping him
latent valve
no
worn ember
poosy
latent valve
why dont u ping him for me? :p my at-key doesnt work
left swift
Ok boomer
mental oriole
Haha you said the thing
left swift
Nah
worn ember
@latent valve idk what pinging is
latent valve
kek
stiff yarrow
does anyone know a safe place to sell a used laptop? craigslist gives me bad vibes
worn ember
facebook market place
dusk drift
ebay?
cosmic raft
I am beyond pissed off
cosmic raft
Somehow the phone rear is broken, without having been dropped or anything.
static badge
rip phone behind
cosmic raft
But it wasn't dropped or anything
ancient bolt
that sucks though kash
was the case tight?
maybe it was a prolonged pressure thing
cosmic raft
not any more than any other cases I've seen
ancient bolt
weird
I dropped my phone like 3 times this week because I still don't have my stuff so I'm working without a desk, still hasn't broken. I guess I'm just lucky lol
worn ember
mine dropped once on the edge and one of my speakers is broken lol
ancient bolt
phones are some of the most abused pieces of technology for most people
worn ember
and theres a bit of air under the screen at that edge but other than that i havent ever broken a screen xD
idk how people do it tbh
i've had this phone for like 4 years now
ancient bolt
I broke the screen on my galaxy S 3 ages ago when I was in the gym and placed a weight on the phone after it fell out of my pocket while I was doing reps
worn ember
lmao
ancient bolt
it was bizarre because I basically bruised the screen. the glass didn't break
the actual amoled display broke and the damage slowly spread
worn ember
oof
ancient bolt
i think i have a pictuer of it
cosmic raft
yeah I'm beyond pissed
worn ember
my frends phone had that weird thing where nothing was wrong with it, but then some pixels started "bleeding"
worn ember
and then it spread until his whole phone was pretty much black
screens are very weird
cosmic raft
worn ember
can youtube finally fix this. Its triggering me so much
cosmic raft
would you say I'm covered by that?
cosmic raft
OnePlus phones purchased on oneplus.net come with a limited warranty of 1 year starting from the date of delivery. Unless otherwise specified, this warranty covers the hardware components of the Product as originally supplied and does not cover, or partially covers software, consumable items, or accessories even if packaged or sold together with the Product. This warranty is only redeemable within the original country or region of purchase.
humble storm
cosmic raft
The limited warranty only covers product defects caused by workmanship or build materials. To make a claim, present your original Proof of Purchase (invoice), model and serial number of the product, and photo evidence of the productās defects to OnePlus Customer Service atĀ https://www.oneplus.com/ca_en/support.
ancient bolt
You might be. Worth a shot
static badge
make a claim and see
worn ember
no