holy fuk look at all those unsecure connections
#general
pulsar wigeon
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http 
limber knotBOT
@TheChosenSquirrel Paper only expands the Bukkit and Spigot API so all Bukkit and Spigot plugins will still work
olive garden
stef, why do you specify both a maven compiler plugin and maven.compiler.release?
heady spear
Unless you need plugins made by people that refuse to use spigot because they're dumb
wide chasm
I don't know
clear chasm
Thanks I am really new to this
wide chasm
It works, so I don't touch it
olive garden
😐
limber knotBOT
@Trigary specifying the plugin is actually not bad as the default plugin version is usually not a modern one
(although you obviously don't need to specify the java version twice)
olive garden
never had any issues, but makes sense
but I don't like to do that, since that's 1 more thing I need to bump for no reason
limber knotBOT
also you can ensure that your project is run with a version that you know will work
olive garden
yeah, it makes sense I guess, just like how using gradle wrapper does
worn ember
reee stupid maven
worn ember
should be rart proof tho
golden gust
as said, issue with maven is that they use defaults which are generally super old
worn ember
i updated all the plugins to the latest version i could find
static badge
remember when 1.5 java was new? 
worn ember
olive garden
no
olive garden
they had to stop with the 1. thing sooner or later
bad decision many, many years ago in retrospect, but they changed it :)
worn ember
good to know i suppose
left swift
java lore 
calm lion
anyone running an OVH dedi?
worn ember
.ask
limber knotBOT
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calm lion
figured as much, would it be worth it to swap from a i7-7700k OC for the new ryzen 7 3800X
single-threaded in mind for mc
calm lion
cheers, ty michael
twin lagoon
that's not even an ovh specific question lol
calm lion
i had a follow-up specific to ovh if you said yes lol
twin lagoon
what's the question
calm lion
if i did choose to upgrade would they be able to retain all data/configurations and just swap servers?
calm lion
alright thanks
twin lagoon
though transferring data isn't hard either
restive zinc
worn ember
too slow
people will get annoyed by it after opening that gui 3 times
either make it really fast or dont bother
golden gust
GUIs r dum
golden gust
Coz, anything you can do with a GUI
You can do faster with a command
especially if the dev is sane and actually supports tab completion stuff
limber knotBOT
unless it has to do with items ;)
olive garden
I'm an insane dev 😉
tawdry coyote
but can u have spinnin glass panes in a command line
worn ember
whomst
golden gust
So
worn ember
but meh automation
golden gust
Instead of dumping the stuff into chat
Where, you know, it would be useful
You have a GUI...
then again
worn ember
cat is a linux user, he doesnt understand how gui's work
tawdry coyote
thus how windows was made reee
golden gust
I guess most people using those kinda plugins are dumb anyways
worn ember
thats really hard to read
void void
lofty herald
twin lagoon
what the fuck would you want an ingame htop for
woven otter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRtcxPKtcZc
this is cool
limber knotBOT
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twin lagoon
oh no not another minescape
heady spear
https://pastie.io/gqysdv.gradle
is this peak laziness or what
twin lagoon
how many times has that shit been revived
that has to be like the 5th minescape server
woven otter
this one looks pretty good tho
pulsar wigeon
who tf decided to call a flag "no-worldedit"
now you're stuck with double negatives
everything else is worded in the positive
limber knotBOT
not just using IntelliJ's replace feature
pulsar wigeon
disable-physics too but that's slightly more clear i guess idk
heady spear
it makes sense, as physics would be enabled by default
with the new flag system it makes no sense, as all flags are applied to all plots at any given time
topaz mortar
Add a flag that isn't double negated and deprecate the old one.
heady spear
wiz will love this
so disable-physics is null by default, and when set to false it will disable block physics
pulsar wigeon
i hate it already
heady spear
if the flag is null, or true, then block physics would be enabled
I know people use this flag and it's inverted and dumb. I don't know if we can correct the behaviour either, because that means plots will be broken lol. This is awful
wrong channel loool
heady spear
it has super contradicting behaviour
we can't rename flags without breaking backwards compatibility x)))
woven otter
fuck backwards compatibility
shell turtle
cosmic raft
that was yummy
subway
Italian BMT on Italian herbs and cheese, garlic sauce, lettuce, onion, green pepper, and salt/pepper
yum
mental oriole
Hmm.
limber knotBOT
looking at bstats is so strange
why are there 5k paper servers (10k global) still on 1.15.1?
pulsar wigeon
hosts, lazy people, etc
limber knotBOT
so stupid ppl
pulsar wigeon
yea i guess
iron spindle
zealous knot
i still have a beta 1.7.3 server
heady spear
public void onPeskyMobsChangeTheWorldLikeWTFEvent(EntityChangeBlockEvent event) {
plotsquared event listener names are super nice
limber knotBOT
since everybody talked about parasite, is there actually a english version out there?
is it really worth reading shit 2 hours?
heady spear
brittle dust
anyone good with essentials
worn ember
parasite, not sure if its good or not
brittle dust
having issues with people spawning in as a "new player" , they keep coming in to the wrong location
I have that....
yeah there shouldn't be much to it...but it's not working
fervent bronze
brittle dust
Default spawn is "Newbies" right...and that location is set on one server...yet they spawn in on a different server at a spawn called "Default"
yep
that's exactly what I have
and I set that, but my thoughts are it's because they are different servers...or the fact that maybe waterfall forces spawn on one server...
golden gust
waterfall forces spawn
waterfall has literally nothing to do with that, spawning is handled by the servers
brittle dust
Ok..understood...but you can also select which server is "priority" right
golden gust
Well, yea
brittle dust
Right so my thought is maybe waterfall is forcing them to join the wrong server....yet I've setup both to point to one "Newbies" location....so why would it still be pushing to default
brittle dust
Dude...I'm not messing around....I've legit setup everything how it should be...
yet they keep spawning in the wrong world
dapper nacelle
not bad
limber knotBOT
use a real editor, got dammit
olive garden
Material.java?
limber knotBOT
no?
golden gust
Atom is good at stupidly large files
limber knotBOT
at work I have an editor we use to open gigabytes of log files
static badge
why are you trying to open a dump file in a text editor
cosmic raft
why not just look at the source for maths.jar and see what it does, instead of opening such a file
cosmic raft
graph paper is bae
fair ice
worn ember
purrpurr
topaz mortar
Wooden forks are stable.
slim nymph
@still smelt how the hell does a text editor use more memory than super rich IDE's
golden gust
opening a multi-gig file apparently
saying that, modern text editors generally have ways around that
sublime was cook back in the days, but, 'eh
*cool
slim nymph
man i hate this new license system jetbrains added for plugins that plugins are now adopting to become commercial
golden gust
some part of me wants to nip out to go grab some quick food
worn ember
never really thought sublime stood out over any other tool
golden gust
some part of me just wants to go bed
slim nymph
I lost access to manifold using Ultimate now, I have to use Community
golden gust
sublime was out before atom was
golden gust
paid plugins are just... I can understand why, but at the same part...
Like, shit
full access pack from JB is cheaper
worn ember
laughs in spigot
limber knotBOT
i think cat did too
golden gust
Oh, individual price is on par with full access
slim nymph
yeah i just wanted to make it clear for anyone else who read lol
i get some people write some cool stuff. but charging whether or not you use the ultimate ide or not is weird, give commercial features or dont give it at all
i lose access to databse in community i think :/
golden gust
o.O
slim nymph
and database plugin rocks
worn ember
yeah you dont get db viewer and other stuff in the community which kinda sucks
slim nymph
i use db for code completion and hilighting
since i connect the db, it knows my schemas
and can complete table and column names
dapper nacelle
in Spring if you want to make a REST API do you have to make your own controllers for PUT, POST and GET actions or can you do it with annotation magic?
worn ember
mhm being able to see your tables and content is nice too
golden gust
annotations should let you specify the request method
golden gust
Yea, RequestMapping takes a method
slim nymph
what are you doing a rest server in java for lol, integrating in game data?
dapper nacelle
and I'd have to validate the input in the controllers
worn ember
@void void would agree with you there cat
golden gust
Spring is really nice when you're in a java environment
node.js has some nice things for a rest API
dapper nacelle
golden gust
Just the whole .js thing
slim nymph
yeah for a java product, but i question it for an mc environment
dapper nacelle
I have to write 0 controllers with this php library
it generates the put, post and put for me
worn ember
would not recommend node without TS lol
slim nymph
thats a model, not a controller/endpoint
slim nymph
dont tell me that shit is using php doc blocks for routes there?
dapper nacelle
dapper nacelle
the annotations I added created the routes for me and exposed fields based on what I told it to expose
slim nymph
our php code is too old, custom router and controllers lol
dapper nacelle
laravel is build ontop of symfony, what I am using atm
slim nymph
i thought they were competitors
slim nymph
interesting
ive not done much hardcore php lately
our js code base is so nice and easy to work in
dapper nacelle
anyways my model class has an ORM and validation and stuff for the REST API all via annotations
slim nymph
not always a good thing lol
dapper nacelle
its getting really complex
slim nymph
if thats custom annotation processing you wrote, there goes static code analysis
golden gust
personally I hate when stuff starts hiding too much detail
slim nymph
and complex is bad
golden gust
Springs auto scanning stuff has me a bit icky, but, from what I've seen, otherwise is a pita
dapper nacelle
per operation I can choose who can make a request to it
per field I can choose what can be access but I only get the options for read and write instead of seperated over post, put get (collection) and get (item)
sorry for the irc uses, I often end up editing my messages
worn ember
shouldnt use irc then
golden gust
IRC is better
am just in too many stupid discords that sticking to IRC ain't viable
😦
dapper nacelle
I am walking into the issue where I don't want to let the user write a field on a put request but do want to let the user write that field on a post request
slim nymph
um, thats backwards
dapper nacelle
yeah
heady spear
omg is aikar alive
slim nymph
nope
heady spear
how surprising
dapper nacelle
I don't want the user to be update their email
so they can only send the email via post aka on create
slim nymph
any reason why? but ok i can see that
put it in the validator
but people should be able to change their email lol
worn ember
heady spear
oh so this is not aikar
dapper nacelle
hm..
heady spear
good! I heard he stinks 🤷♂️
slim nymph
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
worn ember
smelly Aikar
slim nymph
ok time to go write code
dapper nacelle
ok honestly
worn ember
damn its 9pm already
dapper nacelle
USER
* email
* username
* password```the user should be able to write to all of these
heady spear
omg I love hot chelle rae
worn ember
did i really just spend 2 days on a RTP plugin lul
topaz mortar
😛
slim nymph
why are you writing RTP v69
worn ember
just needed something to do
slim nymph
.xkcd standards
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) xkcd: Standards (20 July 2011) | http://xkcd.com/927
worn ember
dont plan on actually releasing it
heady spear
dark is trying to learn how to code
worn ember
i wanted to but then paper broke and now its dead
olive garden
typical defense mechanism: blame others
woven otter
who is notAikar 
dapper nacelle
I remembering hating PHP just because somebody said it was really bad. I never even used PHP
back then*
woven otter
it's definitely not Aikar
heady spear
hack > php
slim nymph
most (if not all) errors are now exceptions
dapper nacelle
not for local variables unfortunately
worn ember
i remember hating Dylan, cuz someone said he big dum, and i still do
topaz mortar
Used PHP in 2012/13. Never used it again.
heady spear
being hated by ded is a good thing
heady spear
stop ittt
slim nymph
yeah the types impact api contracts only now
heady spear
wiz kick him 😦
slim nymph
but thatll give you a lot of benefit still
woven otter
city I wuw u
worn ember
dapper nacelle
uwu
slim nymph
hopefully you can be good about your own types in a local scope.....
dapper nacelle
if only for every request php didn't have to instantiate literally everything again
ember crag
It's ok city. I won't say that to you.
dapper nacelle
I mean like, it does cache stuff pretty good
golden gust
I tried getting into php again a while back, but that was kinda somewhat before but in the middle of me shutting everything out
It's on my todo list ;-;
pulsar wigeon
todo list lul
golden gust
Wanna use some php for my uni project, either that or was gonna use node, but like... I already kinda know php
slim nymph
php now has a package manager for dependency managemenet, types, lots of OOP concepts, cleaned up the OOP api pretty good. SO much utility methods provided in the core
performance keeps getting better and better
golden gust
I mean, dude
ember crag
I sometimes use php, which means spending 85% of my time on php.net documentation, 10% on stackoverflow, and 5% actually writing php.
worn ember
oop in js tho 
dapper nacelle
PHP has a JIT planned in the future
slim nymph
you gotta give it credit where credit is due. most of peoples bad rep comes from the bad devs writing bad php code lol
cosmic raft
i see
ember crag
<-writes bad php
heady spear
how much can one charge for a plugin without transforming into a capitalist troll/American?
slim nymph
49$
worn ember
makes php projects private
I agree
golden gust
1
worn ember
0$
heady spear
It's not like anyone will buy it so it doesn't really matter, but I want to look good
ember crag
I'll have to hastebin some stuff over to show how bad. But I'm not at home right now. Oil change time.
worn ember
charging money fro things you make means ur poor and should not play minecraft 
slim nymph
if 27$ is good enough for Bernie, 27$ is a good price for a plugin
um i must be poor then lol
worn ember
probably
slim nymph
that statement means noone should be in a career for software development dark....
worn ember
it was obviously sarcasm 
slim nymph
i got bills to pay
worn ember
ima make big mooney when hytale comes out
ember crag
I'm good with paying a reasonable price for a plugin that is well done. But including a lite version also improves conversion rate.
heady spear
I'm selling a plugin that people have been using for years, they're going to be upset
which makes it more fun
slim nymph
honestly mc community is just cheapasses.
golden gust
Coz, that severely impacts the pricing
ember crag
This true
dapper nacelle
can I post 4 annotations without it being considered spam in this channel?
just asking because I need to
slim nymph
go and try to hire a non mc community developer to build you something, enjoy the price quote
heady spear
yes. plotsquared. lol
golden gust
Dude
dapper nacelle
/**
* @ORM\Entity(repositoryClass="App\Repository\UserRepository")
* @ApiResource(
* security="is_granted('ROLE_USER')",
* collectionOperations={
* "get": {
* "security": "is_granted('ROLE_ADMIN')",
* "securityMessage": "Only admins can view all the users",
* },
* "post": {
* "security": "is_granted('IS_AUTHENTICATED_ANONYMOUSLY')",
* "validation_groups": {"Default", "post"},
* }
* },
* itemOperations={
* "get": {
* "security": "(is_granted('ROLE_USER') and object == user) or is_granted('ROLE_ADMIN')"
* },
* "put": {
* "(is_granted('ROLE_USER') and object == user) or is_granted('ROLE_ADMIN')"
* },
* "delete": {"security": "is_granted('ROLE_ADMIN')"}
* },
* normalizationContext={"groups"={"user:read"}},
* denormalizationContext={"groups"={"user:write"}},
* attributes={
* "pagination_items_per_page": 10,
* "formats": {"json", "jsonld"}
* }
* )
* @ApiFilter(PropertyFilter::class)
* @UniqueEntity(fields={"username"})
* @UniqueEntity(fields={"email"})
*/
look at this madness
golden gust
You should be paying people who download it
ember crag
HASTEBIN
golden gust
Not charging for it
heady spear
I am
worn ember
"i'll pay you $20 a month to be my full time plugin dev" yeah right, i'd like to eat more than $1 menu's every month
heady spear
but I can't afford it anymore
golden gust
That thing is a crime on humanity
dapper nacelle
discord should have a feature where it collapses big chunks of text
peak dirge
P H P
heady spear
The thing is, there are zero alternatives
dapper nacelle
I would really love that
heady spear
sooooo
slim nymph
Personal Homing Pidgeons
heady spear
We've dropped pre 1.13 support and it's never coming back x]
dapper nacelle
for some reason annotations in PHP are in document comments
peak dirge
Please Help People
slim nymph
php doesnt have runtime annotations
heady spear
Or well, it works. You can use anything from 1.7 and up. I'm just going to ignore your existence.
slim nymph
and accessing that at runtime uses Reflection FYI
so i really hope you have some kind of parser that builds compiled code on it
worn ember
but ur ploogin no work on me 1.5 server
cedar spade
PHP Hates Programmers
dapper nacelle
Symfony can parse annotations
cedar spade
Programmers Hate PHP
dapper nacelle
not always true ^
slim nymph
yes, but when is the parsing happening
at dev time building a package, or in production per request
heady spear
So like, if anyone wants any sort of plotsquared support in the future it'll be like $15
worn ember
PHP is infinite recursion
peak dirge
my plligin do not working on mah pepper 1.7.3 beta server i m ake w TEMPLEOS
worn ember
is the cache cached?
mental oriole
Bless you
cedar spade
I'll cache you if you're not careful
worn ember
;o
slim nymph
Cache::Get(Cache::get("cachekeys_cachekey"));
worn ember
gotta cache them all
dapper nacelle
that is not very cash money of you
mental oriole
I’ll cache you if you’re not cacheful
worn ember
aight well i should probably find some food before i die
ember crag
That's not a bad idea city, go the canonical route. Plugin is free, official support will cost.
dapper nacelle
I am working on an illegal music streaming service
for personal use
so that makes it legal
worn ember
does not
ember crag
Why not just setup a Plex server?
worn ember
i robbed a bank but its for personal use so its fine
dapper nacelle
with the laws in our country it does
distributing copyrighted content is illegal
but you can use copyrighted content for personal use
slim nymph
only if you obtained the source legally
dapper nacelle
but to obtain it someone must of have distributed it
slim nymph
ie bought dvd, copy to plex for having central movie library in the home
cosmic raft
how are you @slim nymph? haven't seen you much
slim nymph
busy, stressed, the usual
dapper nacelle
and the person that distributed is responsible
slim nymph
always family drama, sitting at hospital cause sister did shit she shouldnt have again
so just working on day job work while waiting
building mesh networks
ember crag
I find it amusing that under the DMCA, it's technically illegal to have a movie night with friends.
worn ember
smh family, bunch of rarts amirite
cosmic raft
unless all yours friends own the movie too? ;D
dapper nacelle
basically our law says that if you download something copyrighted straight from the web the site that is distributing it is responsible
if you use p2p you are responsible
golden gust
last window, there is apparently an event being shown in a position where an event shouldn't even be fired
So, wtf
slim nymph
we have our current app framework uses kafka for event distribution to all who care to listen, but kafka has gone critical, causing so many issues
latent valve
cat dat server icon xD
golden gust
wait, maybe not
peak dirge
ain't that fun
worn ember
is that multicast?
slim nymph
so i finally get to finish my dream, build a mesh network and fully decentralized network of the cluster, where each member can hand off work and events to anyone who needs them to evenly distribute
multicast is an option for discovery yes, also udp broadcast
but discovery is just for finding peers, then establish bi directional tcp channels over WebSockets
slim nymph
https://github.com/wankdanker/node-discover i found this which had the foundation of what i wanted to do, so been helping contribute there
cosmic raft
wankdanker
worn ember
lmao
slim nymph
basically a UDP hello packet contains a UUID, a port to connect to, whether or not to use SSL, other framework meta. then when you receive a UDP message, that contains the info you need (combined with the incoming IP) to make an outbound TCP connection that contains your discovery info too for it to then make the paired connection too if it hasnt already started from receiving your UDP hello
and in futue if scale gets huge, can go into partial mesh where you only connect to SOME peers
base design provides simplistic horizontal scaling that can also take advantage of automatic scaling using health metrics and stuff like AWS auto spin up and down instances
cosmic raft
slim nymph
i really hope i can get this released to the world as it fills a void i see in node.js dev
udp isnt used for data here, purely for service discovery, and ideally the packets are always identical
cosmic raft
yes
slim nymph
probably
UDP is connectionless, no guarantee on message delivery
spray and pray
all tcp
olive garden
yes, because Minecraft was made by retards
slim nymph
thats not a bad thing... udp can cause lots of problems, tcp gives better accuracy at cost of latency
but honestly, latency hasnt been a huge issue ive seen
if your ping is bad, udp isn't gonna completely save you there
that isnt a latency problem
olive garden
it's not, since the players are authoritative over their own stuff - another bad design choice in retrospect
slim nymph
it was servers over loading and timeouts got stricter
slim nymph
the keep alive issue was not as much of an issue, servers were genuinely going too long between hearing from clients
olive garden
UDP based game protocols aren't hard at all and are pretty much a standard
I totally understand why they didn't opt for them originally - who could have guessed what Minecraft would become
slim nymph
imo any game that doesnt need insane latency control, its worth taking the hit from tcp for data integrity and not having to deal with all that crap
shell bloom
olive garden
well, yeah, I might be biased, since I mostly play competitive shooters :/
slim nymph
well i said 'doesnt need' 😛 shooters do yeah
but then people whine when the game loses their shot registration
i wonder if theres any dual network stack framework that sends like both udp and tcp, and if a udp arrives out of order, it waits for the tcp one to be received, and skips duplicates (using sequential packet ID's)
so as long as no packet loss occurs, you get incoming mostly over udp
but tcp is a fallback for integrity
olive garden
I did make such a dual framework for some prototype networked physics Unity game
it uses UDP for player input and object state updates and TCP for events/abilities I think
I have to check lol
slim nymph
not what i meant 😛
olive garden
yeah, not exactly
slim nymph
literally send everything duplicate
olive garden
oh
slim nymph
so you get guaranteed delivery by TCP, but hoping UDP always lands first
and ignore any tcp payload already received by udp
then you could also send large payloads only over tcp, getting around udp limits
olive garden
interesting idea
I think I have heard of something similar used to transmit large amounts of data: you send all data chunks through UDP once, no matter how much data it is. You kind of expect it to arrive late and all, but it's still faster and more efficient than sending it through a reliability layer. You then do have to use this reliability layer for stuff that got lost, but there's a good chance that most of the data got sent through, just got delayed, etc.
slim nymph
wel the issue with large data is you gotta chunk and then re-assemble it, and if you drop any part of that chunk, you can't ever re-assemble it....
olive garden
yes, so each chunk must have some sort of ID attached to it
slim nymph
but what do you do when you never receive the missing chunk
now you got 2 pending chunks held in memory
worn ember
then you cry
slim nymph
now you run risk of growing memory if packet drop rate increases
could you imagine how fucking broken minecraft would be if it was using udp and had to solve these kind of problems
worn ember
player joins
REEE where my chunks at
slim nymph
and chunks for sure would be a segmented udp payload
olive garden
you are bound to receive the chunks sooner or later, the point is that you might receive them sooner
slim nymph
udp is capped to 64k
olive garden
and by chunks I mean data chunks
slim nymph
a udp packet can be totally lost
olive garden
MTU is usually less than 1500 bytes if I remember correctly
like 1200 bytes
the point is that by sending all data segments at once, you might be able to skip most of the communication done by the reliability layer while also decreasing "latency"
sure, you have to reserve memory - but you had to reserve memory even if you only sent data through a reliable channel
slim nymph
yeah but there is a fixed known start and end of that reserve, isnt one with udp
when do you give up on the missing chunk? gotta have a timeout.
what if you give up, drop your 3/4, then the 4th does finally come, but now you're 1/4
it has to then timeout on the 3/4
olive garden
yeah but there is a fixed known start and end of that reserve, isnt one with udp
I'm afraid I don't get what you meant
slim nymph
and theres also 2 levels of fragmenting, see: https://serverfault.com/questions/246508/how-is-the-mtu-is-65535-in-udp-but-ethernet-does-not-allow-frame-size-more-than
You can send up to 64k and the networking system will chunk it for you by MTU, but if you need to send larger than 64k, gotta implement that same kind of logic yourselve, so now you are double fragmenting
you receive first bytes of a tcp message, process it in a stream, build buffer in your streams wire protocol processor, act on the full buffer, complete, garbage collect.
If TCP channel dies, you clear all incomplete buffers
connection lifecycle events can reliably know when a buffer is no longer usable
olive garden
What you linked was a nice read, thanks a lot. It does advise against sending packets larger than the MTU though
Using TCP is a lot easier for sure, but it's not like it's impossible to get UDP to work
tidal yew
olive garden
As you said, it's not always necessary though - developers can and should spare themselves the headache and bugs in those cases
unreal quarry
worn ember
lol
ive got a great UDP joke but i dont think you'll get it
to get to the other side
why did the chicken cross the road?
olive garden
slim nymph
that joke was literally pasted above
unreal quarry
limber knotBOT
Using TCP and UDP seems too complicated
unreal quarry
limber knotBOT
Just use something on top of UDP that can support multiple streams/channels/whatever and can mark some as ordered and/or reliable and some as not
olive garden
Aikar didn't really mean that
limber knotBOT
QUIC would almost work but I don't think they've finished the spec for unreliable channels
olive garden
I did, though
limber knotBOT
Would be nice to lean on something that handles congestion control and prevents reflection attacks though
unreal quarry
LMAO, ok this one isn't relevant to this convo, but had to share since I found it
limber knotBOT
Instead of having to implement that yourself and doing a terrible job of it
worn ember
lol
olive garden
yeah, some frameworks exist, but each has its own issues
at least last time I checked, but since I only heard about QUIC today, I probably didn't do a great job at checking
@still smelt did you delete your message?
olive garden
Official oracle tutorial for concurrency is great, and Effective Java is just a must read
cosmic raft
ok time to go to the mall
limber knotBOT
I think QUIC unreliable streams wouldn't be wrapped in TLS though so you'd need to do your own encryption
Since QUIC works with TLS and not DTLS
olive garden
you could just use the reliable streams in that case to negotiate an encryption key, could you not?
tbh I have no idea how QUIC works, I'm just assuming stuff
limber knotBOT
You could, yes
QUIC is basically HTTP2 multiplexing but done at the network level
Or at least that's how it started
So you have one connection with multiple streams, the streams themselves each act like a TCP connection so they're ordered and reliable but there is no head of line blocking between streams, each one is like its own connection within a connection
Although they all share in the actual connection's congestion control and flow control
When it went to IETF they split the HTTP part off in to its own thing so QUIC is a generic transport
sand vale
worldedit able to copy sign text on 1.15.2 yet? :S
sand vale
lol I haven't updated in a while >_> I didn't mean to rush :)
limber knotBOT
QUIC exists because Google realized TCP connections took too long to discover their optimal speed and attempts to do things like increase window sizes to get it up to speed faster ran into issues with middleboxes that only supported exactly what TCP looked like when they wrote it (and even then only what actually went over their network, not even e
verything TCP could do) so it was impossible to extend it
pulsar wigeon
yea maybe you should fuking check for updates before saying retarded shit
pulsar wigeon
since you obviously haven't updated since before 1.15.2
limber knotBOT
HTTP2 tried to do multiplexing on one TCP connection so after the first connection found its speed the rest could share that but then head of line blocking makes it less than ideal
pulsar wigeon
since WE supported 1.15.2 within an hour of md69 pushing it
elder crystal
p.getInventory().setItem(9,CustomItem.MarketItem.getItemStack());
why does this put my items into the 2nd slot
limber knotBOT
Thus a new protocol on top of UDP that is like HTTP2 but without head of line blocking and is 100% encrypted so middleboxes can't assume anything about it that would prevent future extension
elder crystal
or first
sand vale
wiz, chill dude. It was a fucking question. That's all. If someone said "yeah! works great!" I'd go update.
pulsar wigeon
or like i said
you could fucking check for updates before asking retarded questions
sand vale
I don't need some fucking grump old asshole berating me because they believe I was directing my question in a malicous way towards him.
sand vale
olive garden
Amaranth: it really bugs me that we use outdated protocols such as TCP, HTTP to transmit data. I am not experienced at all in this field, like I don't really know what HTTP2 is, I just have a feeling that the way we handle the creation of TLS connections is subideal. Like I understand why stuff was made this way, and it's obviously pretty hard to update protocols that almost everything uses. Again, it just bugs me a lot due to the inability to act
Also, this vanilla spawn protection thing is great. Setting it to 0 does not disable it, it just makes it affect only a single block. But if no one is OP-d on the server, it is disabled. Made debugging that thing in #paper-github really nice, nothing works like you expect it to...
sand vale
@pulsar wigeon if you don't want people being hostile towards you, try not being hostile towards them. Honestly. I'm sorry I called you names, I allowed some other stuff to affect my conversation with you, and that's my bad. I honestly do try to avoid you as much as possible, and I was asking the channel, not trying to attack you with my question. I do hope you can see how my part in that escalation wasn't the only reason for it.
pulsar wigeon
oh fuck off
sand vale
pulsar wigeon
you're really just going to fucking ping me for that?
and if you read carefully, i didn't attack you. i said your question was retarded, because it's literally 5 seconds of work to google 'worldedit' and find the updated version
what you did however, is called ad hominem. it's when you call someone names instead of focusing on what they're saying
olive garden
@languid cypress you have reported the following issue 2 whole weeks ago, now it actually got some attention. Please leave your findings, extra information if you have any over there (or just ping me with a message in case you don't have GitHub) https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/2969
sand vale
You're absolutely right. That's a character flaw I, and many in this world have.
and again, I'm very sorry I stooped to childish statements and name calling.
sand vale
With me? I really try to be a chill guy :S
shell vine
wiz
sand vale
:S
shell vine
😐
sand vale
just can't let the toxicity get to ya :D
shell vine
yea back to movie
sand vale
enjoy!
pulsar wigeon
are you just trying to cause trouble phanatic
woven otter
olive garden
you just have to understand that at one point you just stop caring about being nice
there's a time where you have had enough of questions you deem stupid
vestal jasper
Tbf the WE / FAWE community consists of people with the lowest intelligence possible
olive garden
lol
quasi valley
I deem duck stupid
woven otter
I don't think statements from upsidedown people count
pulsar wigeon
i deem duck delicious
woven otter
I deem duck duck
pulsar wigeon
especially roasted
quasi valley
Wow upsidedownist
quasi valley
🗡️🦆
sand vale
🍽️
latent valve
Yumm
quasi valley
Lmao
topaz mortar
🦆
latent valve
pulsar wigeon
u gonna get no-reaction roled
woven otter
am I being again
pulsar wigeon
:^)
quasi valley
Hella wized
vestal jasper
woven otter
wizdumed
quasi valley
quasi valley
It is indeed
void void
quasi valley
wow duck being sassy
pulsar wigeon
no
woven otter
soothes my eyes
quasi valley
I will eat your eyes
woven otter
when I see your avatar it burns my eyes instead
latent valve
Badduck
dapper nacelle
wiztoxic is a word too
woven otter
Wizzy is pretty fizzy
dapper nacelle
I wonder why I can't react to wiz's messages
woven otter
maybe because he blocked you
languid cypress
@olive garden I have nothing useful to add I just duct tape fixed it with a quick skript and hoped it would be resolved
if player's regionlist is set:
if {kitpreview.previewblock.location::%location of target block of player%} is not set:
cancel event```
Which is just preventing players from right clicking with tripwire hooks while in a region and not looking at a crates chestwiz ur not sweet tho
olive garden
I see, thanks for the reply!
That is kinda the valid use of Skript: some small change that a server owner can make without having to set up an IDE, etc.
languid cypress
My server has over 300 skripts
dapper nacelle
olive garden
woven otter
Skript is 🚮. Change my mind
olive garden
QuickSkript is 💯
golden gust
speaking of quick
olive garden
except it misses 90% of the features
golden gust
hey trig
quasi valley
I think that’s how brits express their love or something
olive garden
I think he just called me swift
quasi valley
Now he’s having a stroke again
olive garden
I don't understand half of those words
golden gust
mfw
olive garden
I get it, you are from Britian
golden gust
is 10pm, so, am might go bed
woven otter
stop bullying the cat
olive garden
you don't go to bed even at 6am
woven otter
cats are nice
olive garden
or idk, it seems like you are just always here
quasi valley
ducks aren’t
woven otter
upsidedown people are the worst
quasi valley
:(
golden gust
I mean, I've been waking up at like stupid early coz go bed stupid early
Nothing like waking up at 2am
olive garden
:/
woven otter
but y
cosmic raft
hmmm
woven otter
.remind -d -w 176340309574156289 1d #justiceformagma
limber knotBOT
DiscordBot: Reminder set for 1 day from now.
olive garden
it reminds you badumm tssss
woven otter
reminds
olive garden
by slapping you
woven otter
by nuking you
void void
limber knotBOT
[-d] [-w <who>] <when> <message...>
DiscordBot: Reminder set for 2 minutes from now.
Reminder for DiscordBot: Kill yourself
latent valve
.remind -w @latent valve 69m wiz is mean :(
limber knotBOT
DiscordBot: Reminder set for 1 hour from now.
latent valve
🤦♀️
woven otter
.remind -d -w 89835805933076480 1m ur dum try this if you are feeling adventurous 
fast belfry
woven otter
Copy ID
pulsar wigeon
duk do you want to be banned
frail garden
pastel skiff
Any ideas to transfer items between worlds cos my votifier only works in the lobby server and players need the items for survival
latent valve
.remind -d -w 285471157342306305 69m wiz is mean 😦
limber knotBOT
DiscordBot: Reminder set for 1 hour from now.
pastel skiff
or how votifier works for bungee
topaz mortar
Have Votifier in Lobby and push the votes to the other servers via e.g. Redis
pastel skiff
Okay
limber knotBOT
I would just use NuVotifier tbh
limber knotBOT
you should run it on your bungee
golden gust
So, you setup something wrong and gotta work out what
limber knotBOT
and forward votes to the individual servers
pastel skiff
Okay
golden gust
You run it on the proxy, and then generally do something like forward it to your other servers
limber knotBOT
pastel skiff
Thnx
limber knotBOT
(I personally handle all the forwarding myself but I guess you have existing vote plugins on individual servers that you don't want to recode so the proxy based vote forwarding section is probably what you want)
olive garden
yes, you do
worn ember
When do you use functional Interfaces? They seem useful but I've never really had a use for them so far
limber knotBOT
it's just a compiler hint
wide chasm
Pretty much when needed. If you have an interface with only one unimplemented method, just declare it as such. Most of the important ones are covered by Java, but if you need something like a TriFunction, then that's the moment :)
limber knotBOT
and yea, you probably use a bunch already without realizing..
things like predicates etc
sand vale
Luca, here's an alternative, if interested https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/votingreplicator.983/
worn ember
Hmm I see thanjs
dapper nacelle
did anyone here watch Interspecies Reviewers
limber knotBOT
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
brittle dust
Is there a way to debug why someone / all players that try to join can but then get randomly booted.....cause the console isn't telling me enough
I want to know if it's a packet issue...or server issue...like it just says "disconnected"
sand vale
it'll say disconnected if they're moving server to server, but will be preceded with a "connected" msg
if you mean in bungee/waterfall
frail garden
nothing happens when i run paperMC.jar???
shell wharf
just out of curiosity, is there a way to have paper auto-update plugins from a maven repo? ie. if i maintain a bunch of custom plugins can i have it pull the latest version from maven on server startup?
limber knotBOT
if you have a custom plugin/script for that, sure
shell wharf
was just wondering if something existed already for it
before i went on to write something custom
sharp moth
limber knotBOT
maven plugins/tasks can be executed from the commandline
can just fetch the plugins in your startup script
shell wharf
fair
also i just realized this isnt the right channel lmao
was lurking here and thought i hit #paper-help, gg me
limber knotBOT
Reminder for DiscordBot: wiz is mean :(
brittle dust
but it was after he had left
so how was he "floating" at all?
you think it was a hacked client?
void void
doesnt look like he left lol
brittle dust
yeah look right before all those "Kicked" messages
he left and then all of those came on
void void
o i c
idk could be a hacked client i guess, if it's sending random af packets but i doubt it
are you on latest
void void
yes
cosmic raft
hmmmmmm
void void
we only support latest
cosmic raft
I wonder
void void
so please update first
brittle dust
paper 226?
void void
what do you wonder kash
limber knotBOT
what to order for dinner prob
brittle dust
yeah I'm running the server on 1.14
void void
1.14 is no longer supported in any capacity, sorry
pulsar wigeon
brittle dust
mmmh
brittle dust
ok where's the latest?
brittle dust
just drag and drop and fix all the plugins having issues after lol
void void
most plugins should still work
some wont
i only had to update 2 for one of my servers
brittle dust
configs and everything will stay the same right
void void
for server files? or for plugins
brittle dust
server files
void void
yes should be fine
server takes care of new options on upgrade anyway
you dont need to worry about that
void void
👍
void void
yea, paper dropped 1.14 support like i think almost a month ago
we only support 1.15.2 now
brittle dust
Cause I was having strange issues on 1.14 with players disconnecting and blah
1.12 is gold
XDDD
gold standard
brittle dust
1.12>fast
void void
devs and users have entirely different definitions of the words fast/slow when it comes to software
what color kash
limber knotBOT
hot pink or bust
cosmic raft
black again
brittle dust
yeah as I've walked into this server space...I've learned the hard way..it's either learn...or piss off XD
brittle dust
It makes sense though...I imagine you guys deal with questions that make you smack your head
void void
we deal with lots of stupidity
at least you agreed to update
some dont, and we end up having to kick them
:)
well
brittle dust
I wanted to...just didn't want to do it alone XD
void void
wiz kicks them
cosmic raft
sure simple
void void
\o/
brittle dust
Well it's also like you guys work hard.....and people just want it "to work" by like clicking a button....yet you've legit laid out how to click the button....and they stand their like "Well, are you going to click it"
brittle dust
I imagine if I knew more about you...I'd wish I had 2% of your knowledge
warped spear
can you host a mc server over wireguard
brittle dust
that goes for most of the devs
void void
by running a minecraft server through a vpn 
limber knotBOT
why wouldn't you be able to?
warped spear
if I could port forward on my school network I would
how else am I suppose to run it out of my dorm room
void void
you fucking dont
warped spear
but I live there
sand vale
get a VPS, build an ssl tunnel between it and your dorm computer... use HAProxy on the VPS to forward connections across the tunnel. done.
warped spear
^
limber knotBOT
so? just let him? lol
void void
im letting him im just not helping
pulsar wigeon
^
void void
im kekwhypering
limber knotBOT
then stfu?
warped spear
I built the server out of old pc parts and ewaste
void void
free speech
limber knotBOT
zerotier is pretty easy to setup
warped spear
I have done zerotier before just wondering if wireguard is any faster
brittle dust
dude you never heard...VPN.com is the bestttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
XDDDD
warped spear
@void void just be happy I didn't go through with my original plan of tryna run it on a cluster of old optiplexes
void void
dont ping me
warped spear
that would be fun though actually
yeah fuck it imma build a cluster server at some point
grim escarp
warped spear
it might just me who triggers him with a ping cause running a mc server built out of ewaste on a vpn hosted out of my dorm room 
worn ember
Just don't cry when it explodes in your face ;)
worn ember
warped spear
it should be fine I worked in IT and they said it was cool
hell my boss wants to play lol
worn ember
works in distribution
void void
well dark you can frik off
void void
i cant fucking wait for june to come round
worn ember
Same
warped spear
overclocked skylake x cpu vs chinese psu and minecraft server
void void
lax->tokyo->manila->bali->manila->boracay->manila->tokyo->seattle->lax
that's all my flights so far
worn ember
Just wanna do my last year already
void void
worn ember
Damn son
void void
actually i fly from manila to aklan, where i need to board a boat to take me across the ocean to boracay
worn ember
Oh btw do you still need more backgrounds simple? I kinda keep forgetting about it
cosmic raft
backgrounds?
void void
i mean yes and no but i havent worked on mcbanners for a while
cosmic raft
oh that thing lol
worn ember
Lol
void void
yea we kinda got it working and stopped touching it
worn ember
Fair enough. Better than breaking it
cosmic raft
you should see the amount of things I have locally that I keep meaning to o publish one day
void void
it's broken rn
worn ember
Oh... Lmfao
void void
someone asked for jpg support so i was like K
cosmic raft
my pending directory has about... 10 things at least
void void
so i had to remove alpha layers from ALL images
cosmic raft
that need to be released one day
void void
making server logos be blackboxed
their argument was jpg is smaller
but i was like
this aint...really...a jpg...
its like...
cosmic raft
and now I have to go out again tomorrow for my hair
cosmic raft
wanted to do it today
void void
they're the same sizes
worn ember
Jpg does more compression
void void
but they insisted so i did the code change and now they hate it
cosmic raft
lol
void void
yeah because of no alpha layers
worn ember
Yes
void void
yea i need to go in there and add a switch when i create the graphics object