general

[merry talon]

as someone who can't you people piss me off

[jagged egret]

Would anybody here be willing to maintain PacketEntityAPI and MultiLineAPI once I finish their documentation

Never mind

[void void]

wait

is privacy.com actually free for the consumer?

it says they collect a fee from the merchant

but how does this affect the consumer

does it?

[potent warren]

Well, merchants have to pay a fee

sooooo

they prob. make money that way

[hybrid cedar]

omg @fickle wraith ur here

[fickle wraith]

Lmao @hybrid cedar yea just joined earlier

[hybrid cedar]

Didn't expect to see anyone from VFIO here lol

[fickle wraith]

I been running minecraft servers for years. A buddy and me are working on setting up something new and wanted to try paper

[hybrid cedar]

Ahhh right, fair enough

I only run a small one for my mates and mates of mates

but paper is good in my opinion, light enough for me to run on my r410

[fickle wraith]

Yea mine have never really been huge. I just like it to mess around with stuff

Someone from vfio pinging me in here was the last thing i expected though lmao

[hybrid cedar]

yeah ahaha, I was scrolling and saw that you joined like a few hrs ago lol

But ye check out paper and Aikars flags for launching it

[fickle wraith]

Ight will do. I already got a pretty nice systemxd script from regular spigot

[hybrid cedar]

Ahh yeah, I dont know too much about messing around with systemmd

But I'm wanting to move from CentOS 7 to 8

[fickle wraith]

People give it a lot of shit but running it as a service is the best way I've ever done it

[hybrid cedar]

Hmm right, yeah the only thing i need to do is change my script to make sure it verifies its shut down correctly

when doing things like restarts and stuff cause atm I have a sleep timer of like 10s lol

[fickle wraith]

Yea you can set all that stuff up. I like it cause systemd just does every thing for me. Probably tomorrow or something I'll pastebin what i have for you. On phone atm. Like since it's a service linux will make sure it's down before cutting off

[hybrid cedar]

Ahhh right, yeah no stress

[limber knot]

I always use a service for MC servers

[hybrid cedar]

I think an if statement in bash would work, cause i use crontab to make it start on boot and such

[fickle wraith]

I still manually shut the service down cause i dont trust it. Also it sends the save commands on shutdown. So all you do is 'service minecraft stop' and it saves and everything

[limber knot]

using a service, you can easily control many mc servers with just that service script because the commands for it are not centralized to the directory for those servers

[hybrid cedar]

Hmm

[limber knot]

main useful thing with the creating a service is it simplifying in making say a front end to do things back end ;)

[hybrid cedar]

I just use a script that i made that makes tmux sessions for each server and does stuff from there

[limber knot]

instead of having the front end needing to check multiple directories or possibly creating a security breach you just connect the front end to the service instead

[hybrid cedar]

Hmm yeah, I'm just not familiar with services and how they work/how to make them

[limber knot]

creating a systemd service is no different then creating an upstart service. Both require the service script to be init.d

and then you just use systemctl for systemd or if you are using upstart still update-rc.d command

[hybrid cedar]

in init.d? like in /etc/...

[limber knot]

yes

[hybrid cedar]

I can't remember where it lives

[limber knot]

./etc/init.d

[hybrid cedar]

but i think i get what you are trying to say

right

[limber knot]

I like services more then scripts because of decentralizing the script, also the other main handy thing with services

if you reboot the Dedi, the mc servers will start on their own after the reboot

instead of manually starting them all

[hybrid cedar]

Well my crontab does that

but i get what you mean

systemctl enable

[void void]

[Unit]
Description=Describe your new service!
After=network.target

[Service]
User=www-data
Group=www-data
Restart=always
WorkingDirectory=/usr/share/.../whatever/blabla
ExecStart=/usr/bin/someprogram <args>

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

starts After the network but Before (WantedBy) login for reg users available
runs as www-data:www-dat
restarts always if crashed
runs inside of the WorkingDirectory
runs the ExecStart program

enabled with systemctl enable <filename> where filename is the file saved in /etc/systemd/system/ (or other subdirectory of systemd)

then started/stopped/restarted etc with systemctl start/stop/restart <servicename>

[hybrid cedar]

and the auto shutdown/safe stopping of the server when you poweroff the VM or whatever is nice

[void void]

enjoy

can also systemctl enable --now <filename> to enable and start immediately

[hybrid cedar]

What if you have a waterfall instance tied to it with multiple servers

how does it handle the restart?

[void void]

it sends a SIGTERM

[hybrid cedar]

Cause my setup is Waterfall -> 3 Servers

[void void]

so it depends how the software responds to SIGTERM

waterfall I believe will shut down gracefully with SIGTERM

[minor sigil]

I usually configure the scripts to send commands to screen

[hybrid cedar]

Oh so thats up to waterfall to send a crashed message

[minor sigil]

if you know how to send commands to various screens without having to bring them to the front you can do a lot

[void void]

oh yeah you can also specify ExecStop for the systemctl stop command, Flux

and then the restart command will just run ExecStop, ExecStart

[hybrid cedar]

Ahh right

[fickle wraith]

Yea mine sends save-all to the screen and then waits a bit then kills it

[minor sigil]

yep had a script do that because I was using ramfs for a server lol

can't just kill the server without doing that first XD

[hybrid cedar]

lol

as in save all chunks?

Isn't that auto on shutdown?

[minor sigil]

sometimes, but its nice to be sure though

[fickle wraith]

It is but i do it just in case

[hybrid cedar]

Ahhh right

[minor sigil]

ramfs is volatile. moment its unmounted anything in it is gone lol

players don't like their hardwark to be reset you know 😉

[hybrid cedar]

Yeah true

thats a pretty neat idea having it in a ramfs

[void void]

fuckity fuck.

[hybrid cedar]

quickest reads/writes

go ham

[void void]

why do i put off assignments until the night before, quite literally NIGHT BEFORE rn

[hybrid cedar]

no ware on the drives until shutdown

[minor sigil]

its fast. your only limitation to ramfs is ram on the Dedi

[hybrid cedar]

Yeah, how'd you go about setting that up in linux?

[minor sigil]

there is a command for ramfs

[hybrid cedar]

F for Simple

[fickle wraith]

You can setup ramfs in fstab too

[minor sigil]

yep

[hybrid cedar]

O nice

[minor sigil]

and then all you need is a cronjob to copy everything in ramfs to the HDD

every so often

[hybrid cedar]

I actually know what fstab is so I reckon I can do it lol

Yeah true

[minor sigil]

its very simple to setup a ramfs

[hybrid cedar]

thats a mint idea

[minor sigil]

nothing to it, its like mounting a hdd

[hybrid cedar]

oh really ey?

[fickle wraith]

Yea i have a tmpfs in fstab on my plex sever for the transcodes so it dont rip my drives

[hybrid cedar]

even better

[minor sigil]

only thing you do is just specify ramfs as the filesystem

[hybrid cedar]

Cause I can pretty much put all the server stuff on it and I'm g, fastest performance DDR3 can provide

[minor sigil]

lol

yeah its super quick

[hybrid cedar]

But yeah need to copy it every so often

[minor sigil]

first time I used ramfs I never once ever saw a server too slow warning XD

[hybrid cedar]

So to save even more writes, rsync would be perfect

[minor sigil]

there you go

[hybrid cedar]

diff copies to ssds

[fickle wraith]

Incremental is bae

[hybrid cedar]

But the startup script would need to be done well

copy to ramfs and start

[minor sigil]

if you use fstab, the mounting is already done

[hybrid cedar]

copy all*

[minor sigil]

so the script just needs to copy everything to it

[hybrid cedar]

on yeah ik fstab does that auto

copy and once its done, start.sh

[minor sigil]

yep

my start script did the copying and starting in one command

[hybrid cedar]

Oooo

[minor sigil]

it would check if the directory was setup first, and if it was start the server

if it wasn't it would copy everything and then start it

[hybrid cedar]

Ahh so you can use it for restarts

[minor sigil]

yep

the only things you don't really need in your ramfs is the server jar and the plugins directory

just the world files

helps save on ram if you know you don't need those in there 😛

[hybrid cedar]

Server jar would go to ram anyways?

[minor sigil]

yep

but you are wasting more ram if you put the jar in the ramfs

since its now occupying two areas of ram

[hybrid cedar]

yeah true

Looks like I'll need to start working on a script or something

[minor sigil]

good news is that while although it will kill your ram cards faster, hardware replacements are covered if you rent a dedi 😛

there is one already I can get you that is mainly done

[hybrid cedar]

Ehh servers are designed for that

Im sure my r410 can handle it

[fickle wraith]

Yea you should be fine

[minor sigil]

https://gist.github.com/frostalf/e5e87e7c50faa0c6cba1f8c962b8c60f

from that script you can learn how sending to commands to screens work @hybrid cedar

[hybrid cedar]

like tmux?

and thanks for that

[cosmic raft]

heh

shop is preparing for winter

[void void]

cat cat cat

dispatching the diesel cats

@golden gust get out of the way

oh my god he's wearing airpods

he can't hear us

[woven otter]

quick question let's say I have a table users(id, name, etc) and, for example, table posts(id, user_id, etc) and it has foreign key referencing users.id. Since you can't really delete users without deleting any posts referencing the user what would be the best option here

[cosmic raft]

who's good at writing javadocs and is good at english

[woven otter]

why

[void void]

wdym duck that's not a question

whats your goal

you dont want to delete posts of deleted users?

if so then set the deletion policy to set null rather than cascade or whatever

[cosmic raft]

because i want someone to proofread my javadocs and fix it if its bad!

[woven otter]

simple Im just looking for options tbh

haven't decided yet

[cosmic raft]

let me know if anyone wants to do it

[vestal jasper]

I'd do it but that sounds like work and I don't want to do work rn

[cosmic raft]

:(((((

[void void]

well if you dont want to delete posts when a user is deleted just set the deletion policy to SET NULL rather than CASCADE; CASCADE says to delete any dependent items. So you /can/ in fact delete users without affecting posts. It's not a problem. But the dependent table can't have the user ID be a primary key because that is inherently NOT NULL.

So as long as the foreign key is nullable, you're fine.

[vestal jasper]

I can take a look but I can't promise I'll find anything

[woven otter]

hmm okay sounds good

will try to go with making it nullable

[void void]

alternative you can set it to do nothing

but then you need to know when the user id is invalid

so i typically just set null

then i know that user has been poofed

[minor sigil]

why would you need to know the user id is invalid o.O

generally user id's should be incremental in other words you shouldn't be going backwards lol

however another alternative other then doing nothing is using a global user that all posts get assigned to when a user gets deleted

[void void]

idk maybe if you want to query some data, it's typically simpler logic to know check if the user id is null on the post row instead of first checking to see if the user actually exists before you get some weird row data returned from your query that potentially has multiple joins depending on the id

but whatever, i need to go work on my essay fml :(

[minor sigil]

well as you already said, with this there is multiple ways to skin the cat lol

[woven otter]

fuck it actually I'll make it cascade i don't care about this stupid shit anyways because it's not important at all

[void void]

in an essay is it ok to switch between using digits and words for numbers

i.e. three million and then immediately after 300 million

or should i like

3 million and 300 million

or three million and three-hundred million

[woven otter]

only if you need more words

it's free words

take it or leave it

[void void]

i mean i guess but it fucks the flow of the essay kinda doesnt

it

oh well whatever

[woven otter]

just make up excuses

tell them that you wanted to clarify

or whatever

[void void]

lul

[hybrid cedar]

Uhh stupid question

Minecraft uses tcp?

[void void]

yes

[unreal quarry]

Why not both? 3 million (three million) etc

[hybrid cedar]

Ahh thanks, couldn't remember if tcp or udp

[void void]

i feel like my professor is gonna bitchslap me for this because i should've written it a month ago

im writing it the night before

[hybrid cedar]

Rip

I know that feeling

[void void]

comparing countries on location, physical and human geography, languages and origins of languages, ethnic makeups, religions, popular culture, economies, and transportation methods

here we go bois

[unreal quarry]

@hybrid cedar

[dusk drift]

them tcp udp memes fucking make me die inside

[minor sigil]

@void void it should be consistent when it comes to use digits or the word form for said number. Its alright

an example is, when talking about a number, in that same sentence you shouldn't switch unless you were wanting to clarify what kind of number you were talking about with a visual representation of it.

Generally, if you wanted to go by strict standards, the word form is the acceptable choice lol

[void void]

one-hundred-twenty thousand or 120,000

lol

one-hundred-twenty thousand just seems straight up annoying to read

length buffer sure

but...

[golden gust]

fwiw

Simple is bad

[void void]

i thought you got crushed by the diesel cats, electroniccat

since you're still alive

.kill electroniccat

[limber knot]

stuffs a bunch of C4 up electroniccat's ass and waits for it to go off.

[golden gust]

implying you can get rid of me

ctually, i did grab a copy of detective pikachu earlier, so maybe you can

for 2 hours

Brain > keyboard is failing harder than simples life

[void void]

its an ok movie

i expected better tbh

[golden gust]

I mostly just wanted something to turn le brain off, figured it's on the small list of films I wanna at least say I've watched

[void void]

yeah itll definitely turn your brain off

[hybrid cedar]

Lol @unreal quarry

[short yarrow]

Is lombok pretty much just used for getters/setters

[vestal jasper]

.lombok

[limber knot]

[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on

[short yarrow]

haha

[void void]

if you use lombok you should die

if you're considering using it, stop

turn around

and leave

[void void]

I'm going to get such a fucky grade on this bullshit lmfao!

Whatever.

Smh

Why am I a shit student

[limber knot]

if I was going to college and I knew that I wasn't trying to go to a university I probably wouldn't care to get A's since after you get that degree in whatever it is you are learning just won't matter

[void void]

ok but you cant get a degree if you fail

[limber knot]

in what grades you had

[tawdry coyote]

cept if you're trying to go a graduate degree

[void void]

like, that's not how it works

you dont just go and get a participation trophy

[limber knot]

true except degrees only matter on the amount of credits fyi

[tawdry coyote]

are u saying...Cs don get degrees...? 😮

[static badge]

he's saying the difference from a C and an A doesn't really matter

[heady spear]

Gl getting into a masters programmer with your Ds lol

[void void]

ok but i might not even get a C lmao

[golden gust]

is coz ur shit

[void void]

and my CS grades will be fine, high As no problem.

[tawdry coyote]

isn't a D like not passing?

[limber knot]

so technically you could fail a single class and then go the following year for that one class or something else if it was a class not even part of what you need and just get those few credits to get your bachelors or masters or associates

[void void]

my issue is that they are making me take a bunch of stupid shit

[golden gust]

das y ur a bad student u dum

[limber knot]

D is in fact passing

[void void]

like geography and fucking anthropology

[heady spear]

Idk how Americans do shit

[tawdry coyote]

don be stupid ezpz

[limber knot]

you can actually get a Bachelors with nothing but D's

[golden gust]

He is simpl

he cant be smert coz he dum

[void void]

fun fact ive taken and passed all my major courses for my first level degree

[tawdry coyote]

not in my uni you can't @frostaff

[void void]

but i have to get a minimum of 60 fucking units in just RANDOM SHIT

just to get my paper

that says "yep, good 2 go!"

[golden gust]

simple, simple, simple

[heady spear]

How many years is a bachelors for you morons anyway?

[golden gust]

git rekt skrub

[void void]

4

would be 2 if you didnt have to take random shit

[heady spear]

Lol it’s 3 in developed countries

[static badge]

sweden is devloping backwards

[heady spear]

Then 2 years for a masters, unless you go to the UK in which case you can get that done in a year

[tawdry coyote]

sweden is developing?

[limber knot]

@tawdry coyote that is university

[void void]

"oh hey btw u need a shitload more units in like art appreciation and film and the diet of cows and if u dont, u cant have your paper."

[limber knot]

bachelors and lower don't require you going to anywhere else except college

[heady spear]

Fuck random credits, literally not a thing in developed countries

It’s almost as if your higher education is just a cash grab

[void void]

it is

it literally is

[golden gust]

I mean, he is in the country of freedums iirc

[static badge]

country of cancer

[limber knot]

but my point is though, if you are missing like 10 credits in a class that isn't part of your major but you need those credits to equal a bachelors then you could just take any random class afterwards

[heady spear]

Imagine not getting paid to attend university like what

[void void]

thats my point frostalf.

[static badge]

getting paid to attend to university sounds like a 80% tax rate

[void void]

i literally am at the point where i am filling up 2 or 3 semesters full of random fucking classes

to meet the minimum units

these classes do not matter

except to get a paper

they dont pertain to my degree

in any way

[limber knot]

but you are already better then most right now though @void void

[tawdry coyote]

mmk but i still don understand why youre failing them tho

[heady spear]

Imagine only caring about the degree and not the development of you as a person

[golden gust]

I mean, first year we had to do a "social IT" course

[limber knot]

just the fact you have credits in the appropriate classes for CS is good enough

[void void]

and does a college care about your actual skill level?

[x] doubt

[golden gust]

And the lecturer had outdated info \o/

[heady spear]

You should study cultural geography

[golden gust]

Pretty sure that over here it's technically illegal to create a copy of a CD now or something stupid

[heady spear]

It’s super interesting and you can also research Scandinavian elk parks

[void void]

i just wish i could take the necessary prerequisites directly for major courses, the major courses, and then just get a degree

[limber knot]

unless you are trying to specialize in a particular field, you really don't need the actual degree especially if you can show you have taken the courses and received credits for it

[void void]

the fucking "minimum units" is bullshit

frostalf that's just plain not true

[heady spear]

Most jobs require you to have a related degree just to apply

[void void]

ive applied to so many places that showed interest in my portfolio and declined me for not having a degree

ive only gotten ONE that accepted me

[heady spear]

No one is going to take you seriously if you apply to a job stating that you took some random disjoint college courses

[limber knot]

Google doesn't require degrees to apply or be hired fyi

[tawdry coyote]

"doesn't require" vs "actually hires"

[limber knot]

they actually do hire people without degrees

same goes for rack space

[void void]

ok but hired without degree means you get put in the lowest tier of jobs with the lowest pay

[heady spear]

Here they are going to throw your application straight into the trash unless you have at least a masters degree

[void void]

that's also what happened with the place that took me (the one place, mind you)

[tawdry coyote]

that's most companies in america city

[void void]

you dont get high pay without a degree

straight up

and im not trying to just subsist, i would prefer to be comfortable financially

so here i am with a required struggle

[heady spear]

I mean it kind of makes sense. The less formal education the more money they would theoretically have to spend on training

[limber knot]

not true, I have actually talked to the hire ups at rack space in San Antonio in person. They don't just put you in the lowest tier of jobs unless you can't prove experience to back up what you claim and they even send people to school if its deemed necessary

[void void]

you've given examples of two companies

[tawdry coyote]

^

[heady spear]

Which is really expensive. Take in someone with a degree and you can guarantee that they at least know how to pretend to get stuff done

[void void]

i dont want to be limited to two companies in my entire life because i dont have a degree

i want a choice

you dont get that choice without a flimsy piece of paper saying "yep, suffered higher education"

[limber knot]

I am not going to sit here and list the hundreds of companies that actually hire people with degrees

[void void]

"good 2 go"

[heady spear]

Where will you get that experience unless you can get a decent job in the first place?

[limber knot]

without*

[tawdry coyote]

you've given examples of two large companies which means that even if you decided to not get a degree, the applicant base would literally be so large you're fukt even more

[void void]

you wouldnt have to list them if you had actual sources

you could just link the source

but you dont, right

[heady spear]

He talked to someone that knows someone that has a neighbor that is related to someone that once asked the company if they would consider hiring someone with a degree

[golden gust]

having the piece of paper really doesn't hurt much outta your time and pocket

[limber knot]

didn't know there was source for everything. I listed those two because I don't need a source since I have experience in talking with both. Reason I didn't go with rack space is because I moved away, I didn't take up google because I didn't want to move to another location.

[heady spear]

Without* damnit

[tawdry coyote]

hurts your pocket here in america cat

[heady spear]

It’s hurts your pocket in the UK too tbf

[golden gust]

I'm currently a student, because I want the piece of paper; But I do what a fair % of students don't do, and have experience with stuff outside of just education; Having the piece of paper and experience of working on stupid stuff together is like \o/

[heady spear]

Also uni is fun

[limber knot]

There are many jobs that are far better in pay that don't require degrees too. So to assume that you need a degree to be financially independent is wrong

[golden gust]

Yea, but you have to be likable to get to the capacity of a fair % of those jobs

Simple has 0 chance there

[heady spear]

In the best case it’s still going to be a hell of a lot harder to get there

[tawdry coyote]

I think the miscommunication here is prominance. We're not saying it's not possible to get hired w/o a degree. We're just saying it's much harder than having the degree.

[heady spear]

In the worst case you’ll be homeless and eaten by raccoons

[tawdry coyote]

not if the furries get you first

[limber knot]

Many companies will train you to get a CDL and then employ you. You can make as much as $75k a year to just drive a truck if not more. Will make less if they had to train you but that is only for like a year or two in which case you make like $40k-$45k

[heady spear]

Also why deny yourself the opportunity of going into research

[golden gust]

I mean, having a degree == workers who will if super needed do an all nighter to get the shit done

[limber knot]

that is just to sit on your butt and drive from one location to another

[heady spear]

Going to uni means that you have the option of grad school, which is dope

[limber knot]

you don't even need to know how to hook up or drop a fifth wheel since most of the places you hook up and drop the trailer have someone on standby in the event they have a driver that can't make a certain maneuver to help

[heady spear]

Although then you need to do more than just pass lol

But why would you study CS to drive a fucking truck, there’s no fucking connection between the jobs you’re describing and the jobs people are likely to pursue with their degrees

[void void]

^...

[heady spear]

It’s like saying that you don’t need a high school diploma because McDonald’s will hire you without one

[golden gust]

I mean, truckers are somewhat of a rare breed of a job, tbh; Ofc you're going to get paid a good wage, you're literally hualin' ass with shitty hours, the better jobs as a trucker will generally also be the ones which see you at home less

[void void]

my point was, in totality, that to get a degree you have to sit here and take a bunch of disparate classes that mean nothing

but i see we have devolved as we usually do

[heady spear]

You can still become a crack whore after dropping out of high school so why even bother

[static badge]

you're a crack whore

[limber knot]

@golden gust if you mean long hauls are better, they are if you can't get any special additions to your CDL

[heady spear]

Also, why settle for being the truck driver when you can start your own company? My brother did and now he’s making mad cash

[limber knot]

otherwise if you have the certification to haul explosives you get paid big money for every mile you drive

[heady spear]

He’s also in severe debt and super obese and has mental problems that exceed human understanding of the brain. But at least he has money

[golden gust]

Yea, but then they're also paying you by the size of your balls

[limber knot]

get a certification to haul wide loads and that is big money as well

[golden gust]

That's a lotta hualin' ass

[heady spear]

So, don’t get a college degree so you can spend your life driving trucks instead? Aspirations are useless amirite

[tawdry coyote]

smells like teen spirit

[heady spear]

Why pursue a career you’re actually interested in when you can just do something totally different because money

[limber knot]

my point is, there is just as many jobs that don't require degrees as there are that do if you don't want to do hard work to make a decent living

[heady spear]

So survival is the only end goal here?

[golden gust]

ngl, if it wasn't for my attention span being ass and the fact that I'm persuing being a dev, I totally woulda loved the hual ass for a livin

[heady spear]

Satisfaction and intellectual stimulation be damned

[limber knot]

You could do both, hotspots exist and there is laptops and I guess you never seen them large sleeper trucks

that are mini houses and a truck at same time

[heady spear]

So now you can skip college to live in a truck

[limber knot]

you could, don't have to, but the amount of money you make isn't dependent on a degree

[heady spear]

@void void you should follow this plan, this plan seems great

[golden gust]

I don't even have a drivers license, part of the reason is that I'm broke and well, am kinda worried that my brain will wander off behind the wheel a bit too much

[limber knot]

but rather your knowledge in what is you can go do

I am about to start my own trucking business, generator business, and small cargo transport(IE, loads that only require pickups with fifth wheels instead) that is how I know a lot about the trucking side. ;)

[static badge]

[heady spear]

Ok but how much do you know about the history of Scandinavian zoos?

See, university rules!

[static badge]

some penguins aren't happy

and that means global warming is on the rise

[heady spear]

Those were British

The unhappy ones

[static badge]

and that we're all fucked in the next 15 mins

[limber knot]

lol

[heady spear]

British animals in general are depressed

But they had nice flowers and they also used to allow you to pay some money to go laugh at the mentally challenged

[hybrid cedar]

@minor sigil so in this case you're using tempfs cause it can limit the size where as ramfs has no limit and can be overwritten easily by other stuff

[heady spear]

Now we can laugh at leaf for free

[hybrid cedar]

From a quick search of tempfs vs ramfs

[limber knot]

also on the note of needing a degree for CS, I was sub contracted by PhoenixNAP to take over customer support calls/tickets for their customers in which phoenixNAP couldn't directly help due to the contract IE, cheap hosting by not paying for 24/7 customer support in the software area.

@hybrid cedar correct

that is really the only difference between the two

one is dynamic while the other is not

[void void]

support

[hybrid cedar]

Nice nice, God I wish I knew of this earlier lol

[limber knot]

You might think I just took phone calls but no, I actually did more business support then end user support

[void void]

still support...

[hybrid cedar]

And I'm the config files, you can specify the directories of the world files yeah?

Cause from memory it's just what you name the world folder

[limber knot]

Yep, but point being to have PhoenixNAP personally refer customers to you is a big deal in itself however ;)

I don't possess any degrees, I own 23 acres of land, starting my own business without using my own money and all I do is whatever I want. ;)

but anyone else could do the same though, reason most don't is only because of lack of knowledge in the resources available that you could leverage to do all that

[void void]

yes, i forgot everyone should praise and be like frostalf

my bad

[limber knot]

no, but I have no problems in proving a degree is not required to have a decent living

[void void]

was never my argument anyway

[limber knot]

or to be employed in something you like to do, unless you just can't obtain the experience. As I have said, unless you are specializing, degrees are pointless and waste of money especially the fastest way to get a lot of debt

hopefully you get employed making a decent living right afterwards because them degrees don't guarantee jobs

[void void]

both of those were also not my points, but thank you frostalf for your neverending wisdom

highly appreciated, sir frostalf

thank u

[heady spear]

Not having a degree doesn’t guarantee a job either so what’s your point?

[limber knot]

you won't have debt while not having a job

[heady spear]

A degree certainly doesn’t make it any harder to get a job.

[limber knot]

not having a degree doesn't make it harder either

[golden gust]

it 100% depends on what your "dream job" is

Some jobs basically require a degree, others don't; Others don't really need them but can offer better doors with it

[heady spear]

It does though? You’ve argued that it’s not impossible to get a job without a degree, but fact is some fields require a degree no matter what

Not everyone wants to become a truck driver or IT support personnel

[limber knot]

if they are specialized yes

[golden gust]

If you're a trucker, the shit you gonna get a degree in

[heady spear]

And then you need to put in the work to get the degree to apply in the first place. Sad. If you’re not willing to go through that, there are alternatives

[golden gust]

Frostalf, rite me an essay on how 2 reverse

[heady spear]

You can take alternative high school programmes for truckers here

[limber knot]

what I mean about specializing is, you don't need a degree to be a programmer, you don't need a degree to be a web developer

[heady spear]

There are career diplomas for high schools, so you can get a degree in trucking lol

[limber knot]

you don't need a degree to do networking

[heady spear]

Which you kind of need tbf

There’s a big difference between doing freelance web development and doing systems development. One you can learn through a YouTube crash course, the other requires a degree. There are levels to this shit

You seem awfully biased though 😐

[void void]

if you want to guarantee a life of being freelance or working for yourself or being in a low tier role at almost any company (save proving your skills by working there for a long time and working yourself up to a higher role through pure grunt work at each and every new role until you build a fantastic as fuck resume, as opposed to being able to gain the higher role straight in by means of having a degree) then by all means dont get a degree and keep arguing for reasons to not have one

[limber knot]

now in those categories I listed, there is a point where you might need one though, and that is if you want to specialize IE for networking if you want to be a network engineer but anything lower then that you don't need one.

[minor sigil]

Degrees don't guarantee higher roles off the bat

still need to prove experience

experience trumps degrees most of time except in areas where you need both

[void void]

lol, we're about to wrap right back around to "it's possible to be it support without a degree!!1"

you can guarantee yourself not to have to be in a support role with a degree, no matter how many times you say that's not the case it's not true

you absolutely can

and yes, support roles are the fucking piss

[minor sigil]

then you simply have limited yourself severely if you can't find the places that will hire you without requiring a degree

[void void]

you're damn right, i've limited myself from wanting to be the fucking trash at the bottom of the ranks

[minor sigil]

if you say so

but I meant the job you are wanting which you haven't stated what it was

[heady spear]

Ima insert myself here, I want a tenured position at the royal institute of technology where I research theory of computation and teach discrete mathematics to undergrads while paying way too much for a tiny apartment in södermalm

Now tell me how I get there without a degree

[void void]

hey city you can be an it support engineer

no degree needed

[vestal jasper]

city you smell

[void void]

its ez

[heady spear]

Oh right, well that sounds like a good substitute for my actual dreams

[void void]

you can do this all from home

and own 28 acres of land

and do what you want

it's a good way to live

you dont need a degree

[minor sigil]

@heady spear you listed a specialized field

[void void]

alternatively @heady spear you can be a truck driver

[minor sigil]

which I have stated and not argued that specialized fields do in fact require degrees

[void void]

most of us want specialized roles, we aren't sitting here saying "uhh yea i need a degree to work at fucking mcdonalds and be a freelance developer"

great for you if that's what you enjoy doing

but some of us have aspirations

[minor sigil]

You haven't stated what kind of job it is you want, if you want to specialize cool. But my point is still valid that for most jobs in the IT area which is very broad do not require a CS degree even though you seen some business's listing it as a requirment

[heady spear]

Plus simple would do well in trivia games about anthropology

Don’t tell me that won’t come in handy

[minor sigil]

I am going to give you a tip since you never actually employed people. Most employers list that as a requirement in the IT field to stop those from applying that they really don't want. IE those that actually don't know the key things they are looking for.

[void void]

I'm trying to be a CTO, if that really matters for this current discussion. But once again my original topic was LITERALLY about how hard it is to get a degree. It was never about the pros and cons of getting a fucking degree, which only cropped up when you decided to give your two cents about how nice life is without one.

And making the assumption that I've never hired people is really retarded

What data do you have to suggest that

[minor sigil]

have you employed people for a business?

if not, not sure why it would matter that I assumed

my data for my assumption is the above discussion

[void void]

Yes I have

And I don't know how it matters

To the discussion about fucking DEGREES

[minor sigil]

well good luck to your goal of being a CTO

[golden gust]

Wait...

Somebody trusted simple for a decision?

Wtf is the world coming to

[heady spear]

I’ve been the senior advisor in the hiring process of a firm and I’ve no idea how that happened

[void void]

are you sure, city

im pretty sure you havent

just assuming over here tho

let me give you a tip...

[minor sigil]

probably hired developers for mc stuff, which isn't quite the same as employing someone. Since there is a lot more involved other then just paying. But 1099 work isn't you employing rather it is the opposite lol

[void void]

that is incorrect frostalf

my family owns a company and i am a big part of the hiring process

[minor sigil]

I love having people do 1099 work though as I have less paper work 😄

[void void]

so go fuck yourself with your annoying ass assumptions

[heady spear]

I did freelance development for local businesses, and we helped them advice in the hiring of new technical staff 🙂

[void void]

mr i know fucking everything over here

[heady spear]

Great English

I’m deteriorating here

Coffee is needed

[minor sigil]

I don't know everything, but, limiting yourself on what you can do or how to go about it accomplishing it just only hurts you.

[void void]

literally was never my fucking point, for the fourth time

you keep bringing this shit up, and i dont know why

[vestal jasper]

🍿

[minor sigil]

no you are just complaining about a class or two and that you might fail it while I am just sitting over here that stated early on in not a so blunt way that grades ultimately don't matter and failing a class not part of your major is really not a big deal. In fact if it was me and I hated a class I was in or just having a difficult time like you are. I would just drop it and take a different one and it still wouldn't change whether I would get a degree or not except extend the time length by a few weeks.

[void void]

right, ok

thanks again for your infinite wisdom

[minor sigil]

Degree's don't have grades or GPA's on them

[void void]

never said they do

im done with this, i have an essay to write

[minor sigil]

nope, just backing up why I state grades don't matter and no one looks at them unless you want a scholarship for a university

[heady spear]

Whether or not you graduated with honors is a part of the degrees here

Don’t they include any of that shit in the us

[void void]

same here

yes

[heady spear]

Oh coolio

[minor sigil]

No they don't, its a separate paper then your degree

[heady spear]

In competitive fields here they’ll even request your high school transcripts which is a fucking nightmare

I’d have to get mine shipped from fucking Geneva

[void void]

it's on the degree. http://i.imgur.com/9x4LpBz.jpg

underneath the subject.

magna cum laude.

thank you again for your infinite wisdom frostalf

[minor sigil]

that is a degree from a university

[void void]

what the fuck

[minor sigil]

which is what we were not discussing since we are talking about college

[void void]

bro, wtf

what are you smoking

give me some

[minor sigil]

If you want to talk about fields where you specialized IE Masters or Doctorates sure they will do that

[heady spear]

Also I just found out the king pardoned my grandmas prison sentence on 1975

[void void]

that is a fucking bachelors degree from a university, more informally known as a FUCKING COLLEGE

[minor sigil]

your grandma went to prison o.O

[heady spear]

Didn’t know the king could do that wtf

[minor sigil]

Well the King has to be able to do something 😉

[vestal jasper]

what did your grandma do

rob a bank?

city's grandma directly prior to getting arrested 1975 (colorized)

[minor sigil]

lol

[minor sigil]

Yes @void void the ones from universities will have that, and while yes you can get a bachelors from a university which costs even more money for the degree that has the same affect as getting one from a junior college or a community college as you would call it. They don't list that on theirs at least I haven't seen it listed on the degree from those colleges.

[void void]

ok

[golden gust]

https://help.github.com/en/github/managing-files-in-a-repository/navigating-code-on-github

[heady spear]

it's actually really cool

used it to navigate some messy python files .-.

why do they never introduce the beta shit to java projects tho

[void void]

^

well their semantic lib has a java folder in it but it only has 2 files so i assume it's wip

maybe just unpushed rn

who knows

sitting on some devs comp lmao

[golden gust]

"Yea, still working on it"

"Almost got it compiling, might take a lil' longer to fix some of these bugs, however"

[void void]

kinda scary accurate

welp printed my essay

my prof is gonna piss blood after reading it

not my problem tho

[golden gust]

God, feel sorry for your prof

I can only imagine the aneurism induced from reading your shit

[void void]

grammarly says it's "very clear"

but i dont pay for pro so it wont tell me what the 97 other problems are

:^)

[heady spear]

I can read it for you

and then sell it on ebay

[golden gust]

Nah, what you do is chuck it on pastebin

Make sure you put some russian name on it or something

The plagurism checker if they use one will be interesting

[heady spear]

"это текст"

[void void]

the first essay this dude gave us was to find a picture and describe it

im not shittig you

i wrote 3 pages describing a picture of a kid wearing a hat

got it back

B+

describe picture more

[golden gust]

I would literally kms if I got handed an assignment like that

[static badge]

can't run that class for $$$ if they make it easy

[heady spear]

¨¨¨

it's a poem

[hybrid cedar]

Hey guys, how would I tell paper where the world folder is if i put it in a different directory?

world world_nether and world_end

[golden gust]

.g bukkit.yml world container

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://bukkit.gamepedia.com/Bukkit.yml -- Bukkit.yml - Official BukkitWiki: "The name of a folder to store all the world directories in. If not included in your file, defaults to the current working ..."

[hybrid cedar]

cheers

[void void]

Wtf

Cat watch this 😭

https://ifunny.co/fun/PjTyVpt97?s=cl

@golden gust wake up

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkmgWB13McE

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Foxxy's father be gone clock - length 20s - 193 likes, 4 dislikes (98.0%) - 55,576 views - MASTERDAVEL on 2010.08.27

[void void]

Fuck

Okay bed time

[limber knot]

turn on iphone

iphone is stuck

boy apple sure makes good products

yep it's just dead stuck

fantastic

glitched out because it got too many what'sapp notifications and now the touchscreen doesn't work

[hybrid cedar]

Is there a way to test to see if a command that was executed on the server completed successfully?

Ie: save-all or stop

cause if I passthrough a command using tmux, I'm thinking if [ "$?" -eq "0" ] will check the command I've done via tmux, which isn't correct

[golden gust]

Depends on your specific intent

You'd wanna use rcon for that

[hybrid cedar]

rcon?

not too familiar with that

[golden gust]

remote console protocol

[hybrid cedar]

oh

[golden gust]

.g mcron

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.gnu.org/software/mcron/ -- Mcron - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation: "The GNU package mcron (Mellor's cron) is a 100% compatible replacement for Vixie cron. It is written in pure Guile, and allows configuration files to..."

[golden gust]

Not that one...

[hybrid cedar]

lol

[golden gust]

There is a github repo or something with it

[hybrid cedar]

paper has an rcon thingo?

[golden gust]

vanilla server has rcon support

[hybrid cedar]

So that means paper does too yeah?

[golden gust]

yup

[hybrid cedar]

Ok, so rcon is the only way to verify commands?

or the best way

[golden gust]

That's going to be the most reliable way, only other way I'd imagine would involve your own plugin

[hybrid cedar]

Yeah I don't have that finesse

oh ok so what if i have tmux running

cause im assuming its doing a similar job

[cosmic raft]

bleh

[golden gust]

rcon would block and wait for the command to be finished

Running it with tmux would just shove the command in there, you wouldn't know if/when it completed

[errant echo]

Hi kashike

[sturdy fulcrum]

Good morning y’all

[woven otter]

Good morning clip

How are the papers holding

[sturdy fulcrum]

Not too good

Getting our first snow of the winter right now

[woven otter]

is it that bad

[sturdy fulcrum]

No but I hate winter weather

[woven otter]

ahh I see. I guess that sucks then

[quasi valley]

That's hot

[woven otter]

That's mild

[limber knot]

that's cool

[upper flicker]

That’s hot

[wide chasm]

That's mild

[quasi valley]

you absolute plebs

[wide chasm]

Why did you ruin it?!

[quasi valley]

you came in and ruined the party

[limber knot]

Hi everyone! I have issues with servers in my waterfall(bungee) network going down from time to time, and I notice it very late. What do you do in terms of monitoring?

[quasi valley]

there's still things left, like
That's luke warm.. but now it's too late

[wide chasm]

Blame Z, he repeated the hot one.

[limber knot]

I do monitor it externally, but this way can only observe the bungee instance.

[quasi valley]

smh, 🦆750 is the better Z

you prolly want to go to waterfall-help ... if that's also bridged to irc

[limber knot]

I thought this was more a general monitoring topic which also applies to my paper instances.

I don't necessarily want to go through bungee to check the servers.

[quasi valley]

if you're talking about paper servers going down, then it's paper-help :D

[limber knot]

Thx

These irc bridges are great. This way I don't have to use this bloated discord client.

[unreal quarry]

.g xkcd irc

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://xkcd.com/1782/ -- Team Chat - xkcd: "< Prev · Random · Next > · >|. Permanent link to this comic: https://xkcd.com/1782/ Image URL (for hotlinking/embedding):..."

xkcd: Team Chat

2078: He announces that he's finally making the jump from screen+irssi to tmux+weechat.

[worn ember]

If by bloated you mean functional and easy to use. Sure

[limber knot]

Well, if you like to have 20 different electron apps running what is essentially another web browser.

To be fair, you can also run discord in your browser.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Discord. I'm just worried that all this data might be abused at some point.

They store everything, unencrypted (to them) indefinetly

(much english)

[worn ember]

Better not be using any social media then :)

[limber knot]

Well, I don't have private conversations on twitter, on discord I might?

[worn ember]

Hmm. True

[limber knot]

What would really help is end to end encryption, at least for private messages. But they don't seem to have interest in that.

[worn ember]

Not a fan of this Big Data crap either tbh

I'm pretty sure they encrypt messages?

[limber knot]

IRC is nice, because it's decentralized mostly. But its a pain to use

They only encrypt messages in transport, meaning that they're safe from third parties, but Discord themselves can read them.

[worn ember]

well yeah thats the whole point

[limber knot]

you could just use external programs to do end-to-end encryption on discord if you really cared ¯_(ツ)_/¯

but at that point why not use a protocol that has it built in e.g. matrix xD

You can't use Discord with 3rd party clients though, they ban your account.

lol no

they don't

they even semi-official approved of them

I believe its in their ToS

But dont quote me on that

matrix looks nice indeed!

Terms of Services are just there to safe asses when shit hits the fan in court

Not necessarily. Look at stuff like the mojang EULA dumpsterfire

you mean the thing that never lead to anything? right

Well, they still employ this ban list?

the discord dev helped out developers of third party clients so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

*discord devs

yes, but they don't enforce them or try to stop the bypasses

[worn ember]

im not really following

[limber knot]

I hope Discord doesn't become the next facebook. They have to go for profit at some point..

the correct way to handle that would be to go after the infringers legally which they dont

Yes, that doesnt seem feasible.

discord is going to merge with Epic eventually is my bet

[worn ember]

plz no

then i'm out lmao

[granite salmon]

god help us

[limber knot]

they are both partially owned by tencent, they both try to do a game store

[granite salmon]

^

jdjdjdkks

[limber knot]

it just makes sense

[granite salmon]

djked

no

[worn ember]

they ditched the game store

[limber knot]

uh, really? haven't been in the normal client/website for long in ages

[granite salmon]

They did?

[limber knot]

you still have a game inventory so

[granite salmon]

I didn’t even notice 😂

[limber knot]

I wonder why discord is going so much for this "gamer" theme. They could be much broader. Lots of dev communities etc.

everybody who knows shit about development wants to host their own server

which discord isn't offering

so yeah, can't get people who need the service 24/7 if you are down at least once a week

That reminds me, I have recently requested all my data from Discord and got a huge zip file. There is even interaction data in there.. scary stuff.

They literally track every single thing you do on the platform.

[limber knot]

yeah, and if you use the desktop client and have game tracking on it tracks all games you play including the location you were logged in from (estimate geo location)

[granite salmon]

Last time i checked they had nothing on me lol

I’ll check again

[limber knot]

Do they offer the data export for people outside of the EU?

I requested my data from all major platforms when gdpr hit

[worn ember]

where do i request it?

[limber knot]

discord was one of the scariest imo

[worn ember]

do i just email them?

[granite salmon]

Go to settings

[limber knot]

settings -> privacy -> request all of my data

[granite salmon]

privacy

bottom request data

[worn ember]

oh ok

[granite salmon]

Takes ages to get a response

[limber knot]

Spotify was really interesting..

well they are only required to get it to you in under 30 dys so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

which is reasonable imo, especially for smaller platforms that do it manually

if youre in the eu!

[granite salmon]

I turned off all the discord data collection in settings

[limber knot]

otherwise they dont need to give you anything.

btw. if you have a battle net account and played a blizzard game: their data dump is pretty interesting as well

[granite salmon]

What is that

lol

[limber knot]

they have loooots of stats in there (e.g. for overwatch heros)

Oh, I should check that out, thanks

[worn ember]

overwatch big gae

[limber knot]

The data exports are also interesting because often times you learn about their internal tech stack

requested my data after uninstalling all their software to see if I need to delete it xD

[worn ember]

i mean they wont delete it just because you uninstalled

[limber knot]

yes

that's my point

jeez... this compilation is taking forever

I wanted to see what they have on me so I can decide whether I should request deletion too

[worn ember]

are you compiling the universe?

oh like that

[limber knot]

I'm compiling firefox currently

[worn ember]

i thought you meant if they deleted your data if you uninstalled

[limber knot]

on a laptop cpu...

[unreal quarry]

.g xkcd compiling

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://xkcd.com/303/ -- Compiling - xkcd: "< Prev · Random · Next > · >|. Permanent link to this comic: https://xkcd.com/303/ Image URL (for hotlinking/embedding):..."

xkcd: Compiling

'Are you stealing those LCDs?' 'Yeah, but I'm doing it while my code compiles.'

Precisely

[granite salmon]

Lol

[limber knot]

well, that was fast. 30 minutes. I guess I still had a lot cached.

[worn ember]

on my old laptop compiling forge would take 45+ minutes

[limber knot]

oof

[worn ember]

so naturally i only did that once

[limber knot]

at work we have a distributed build system so I can compile with like ~ 100 threads. that helps

On a different note: Why are all the major anticheat plugins closed source? its really a shame. And they dont seem trustworthy

[worn ember]

that sounds nice

[limber knot]

it is! when its working....

Tallcraft: because they rely on secret values for their detections

[worn ember]

security by obscurity

[limber knot]

Thats no excuse.. you can just decompile and get those.

NCP works basically the same way if you just use the correct detection config imo

"just"

most are heavily obfuscated to the point of being software as a service (e.g. running in the cloud)

So, I've looked a lot into Spartan, because we used that for a while... and the dev even hardcoded his UUID in there giving him special permissions!

[worn ember]

lol

[wide chasm]

Should be able to report that

[limber knot]

🤔

I did

no reply

[wide chasm]

What a surprise

[limber knot]

"no reply"

unless the report is still open it was handled

(apparently people miss notifications or something like that?)

[worn ember]

lol im eating pizza at 5pm

[limber knot]

well, I never received a response, the plugin is still up, no announcements

[worn ember]

cuz i havent had lunch yet

[limber knot]

I'd bet if I have a look at the most recent version that his UUID is still in there.

[wide chasm]

I've noticed that you don't always get a notification for handled reports, so either they don't send them, or they don't get delivered correctly.

In this case it may also still be open of course

[worn ember]

only message i get on spigot is electroniccat bullying me

[wide chasm]

lol

[limber knot]

What I also don't like is this premium subscription stuff. You only get the "real protection" if you're paying monthly.

[sturdy fulcrum]

I don’t even read my spigot messages

Rip

[worn ember]

i still get updates on PAPI even tho i havent used it in years xD

[limber knot]

I really dont mind paying for good software, but that software has to b e trustworthy, ideally open source.

[golden gust]

chek ur email BlackEyeDum

[worn ember]

inb4 banned

[sturdy fulcrum]

Glad u get updates once a blue moon

[worn ember]

lmao

cat u asshat

[sturdy fulcrum]

Better than subscribing to towny

[wide chasm]

Just watch every resource

runs

[worn ember]

towny corrupts more than you update papi

[golden gust]

I mean

The resource staff literally have a script on their browsers to unsub all the resources

[sturdy fulcrum]

They aren’t even at 1.0 yet

[golden gust]

1.0 would imply stability

[worn ember]

lol

[sturdy fulcrum]

Towny at like 0.0.095

[wide chasm]

Do people really use leading zeros in the same version part?

[worn ember]

just do like Valve stay in beta for 7 years

[sturdy fulcrum]

Yes

[wide chasm]

But, why?

[sturdy fulcrum]

Ask towny

[limber knot]

@e​le​ct​ro​ni​cc​at​ no need to unsub if you don't sub in the first place

[wide chasm]

Fair enough

[limber knot]

Btw, is there already a paper fork? I mean we gotta keep forking, right?

[wide chasm]

There are Paper forks, yes

[limber knot]

Tallcraft: multiple

and take down the old versions for legal reasons

nice

[worn ember]

paper forks arent very effective

[limber knot]

And we as a community then have to hate on the forks

I call it the cycle of bukkit

if you don't run your own paper fork then what are you even doing?!?

[wide chasm]

I can't, I'm too busy complaining about the Bukkit API

[sturdy fulcrum]

Forks are only effective against meat or something you can stab

[limber knot]

true

for paper we'd need a pair of scissors

[worn ember]

not paper ones

[limber knot]

I wasn't being very serious, but is there actually bad feelings between spigot and paper folks still?

[worn ember]

i see clip still loves his meat

[wide chasm]

Ask md_5 if he likes Paper, then you'll know

[limber knot]

haha

[golden gust]

rip

[sturdy fulcrum]

He’ll yeah I do

[limber knot]

go for it, and let us know how it went

[golden gust]

I mean, fork discussion in #spigot is ban worthy

[sturdy fulcrum]

I fired up the grill on taco Tuesday on the snow

[limber knot]

thats crazy..

[golden gust]

So long as you're not expecting support for a fork, we kinda don't care

(If you're asking for support, you'll basically just be pointed towards them, no LOIC involved)

[limber knot]

it's not crazy if you realise how many idiots want paper support in #spigot, lol

why develop open source when you dont like forks...

[sturdy fulcrum]

In other words get support from your fork discord

[golden gust]

I mean, Mini has been booted from the channel for pointing people towards #paper

[worn ember]

its more the fact that people expect md to accept paper discussions on sipgot

wow

[limber knot]

mini isn't the most subtle about it though

[wide chasm]

aDvErTiSiNg

[limber knot]

and promotion != pointing people to the place they find help

[golden gust]

He's not the only one who has been booted for it

[sturdy fulcrum]

Who still discusses anything on spigot lol

[wide chasm]

Yeah, do people still use #spigot?

[sturdy fulcrum]

Every time I log in I have to 2fa

[golden gust]

Telling people to go to #paper for support with paper has resulted in multiple kicks from md

[limber knot]

logs or gtfo

runs

[worn ember]

im suprised md hasnt killed himself yet tbh

hving to deal with autistic kids every day

[sturdy fulcrum]

Md ain’t shit

[worn ember]

u are 😉

[limber knot]

I mean it cant be that bad, after all the paper channel is on the spigot irc server.

[sturdy fulcrum]

Rly

So it fits md always half ass allowing shit

No balls

[limber knot]

come on, this is a christian minecraft server, no balls, only cubes.

[worn ember]

suck my cubes

[limber knot]

^

[sturdy fulcrum]

That’s what you get for following boys who need to be men

To me md_5 is a virgin boy who wants to lead the rest of the virgins to success

Screenshot and send it idgaf

[limber knot]

I don't like all this hostility. Spigot is great and paper is a great iteration

[worn ember]

i dont use either i'm just here for the memes

[limber knot]

I mean true.. there are a lot of young people in this community

Lol

[worn ember]

*young mentally retarded people

[quasi valley]

just ban all 9 year olds, eZ

[limber knot]

So I use arch in case anyone wanted to know

[sturdy fulcrum]

My 2 kids under 5 could run spigot better

[worn ember]

yes

[sturdy fulcrum]

Created premium section for resources but doesn’t support his own decision and doesn’t support the support of the section....

[worn ember]

yeah no fucking shit its redstone, but what does it mean

[sturdy fulcrum]

Gtfoh

I’d keep going but I’m already offending people

[quasi valley]

spigot has kind of become the site for all 13 year old pro devs to upload their broadcast plugins eitherway

[worn ember]

im offended by your existance

plz stop

[sturdy fulcrum]

Good

Glad I took advantage before they turned 13

[limber knot]

I think spigot hasnt become that. It's just that we've grown older.. you know..

[sturdy fulcrum]

😂😂

[quasi valley]

most of the gold is old threads and plugins, yea

[worn ember]

i'd make plugins but i dont feel the need to recreate every plugin that already exists

discord update

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden gust]

[05:18:09] <\^-^> you're not using spigot my dude
[05:18:13] <md_5> so you shouldnt even be in #spigot
[05:18:19] <md_5> you can download Spigot
[05:18:20] <md_5> ?bt
[05:18:20] <CafeBabe> https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/buildtools/
[05:18:28] <md_5> and then come back and get help for your ^Bspigot^B timings
[05:18:32] <simpleauthority> the hell netflix
[05:18:38] <Interface> lol
[05:18:46] <simpleauthority> Interface they're saying go to #paper
[05:18:48] * simpleauthority runs
[05:18:52] *** simpleauthority was kicked by md_5 (md_5)

[worn ember]

just blind

[limber knot]

of course, it's dumcord

lol

[golden gust]

goddit

[quasi valley]

he didnt run fast enough

[limber knot]

^

[worn ember]

lmfao

[sturdy fulcrum]

Typical ginger mentality

[limber knot]

Timings is actually what brought me to paper.

racism

[quasi valley]

gingerism

smh

[worn ember]

cat why are you a irc staff nerd when you're pretty much one of the head devs of paper

[limber knot]

That one was a bit over the top..

[worn ember]

shouldnt he boot you at least 5 times a day

or is he trying to get intel 👀

[sturdy fulcrum]

Over the top of the carrot top

Hop hop

[golden gust]

I was IRC staff on spigot before I started doing stuff over here

[sturdy fulcrum]

Probably got kicked from the team tho

[golden gust]

ngl, I think it was part of the "paper is evil" stance that made me wonder wtf paper was

[sturdy fulcrum]

Maybe you should just merge everything into spigot to make md happy

Oh wait

He don’t like contributions

[limber knot]

looks at the merged PRs

🤔

[worn ember]

he likes contributions, but prefers to make them himself

[sturdy fulcrum]

Send him code privately to make spigot better

[limber knot]

even leaf PRs stuff, lol

[sturdy fulcrum]

Make an app to dm a pr

[worn ember]

[sturdy fulcrum]

Probably would get a lot of use

[limber knot]

tbh the main issue with PRs to (craft)bukkit is that there's almost no input from other people that work on it :S

[sturdy fulcrum]

Well people have tried for years

[limber knot]

btw. is paper going to re-implement the travel agent or no? xD

[worn ember]

lol wut?

[golden gust]

"craftbukkit"?

We was waiting on spigot for it as there was a PR opened

[limber knot]

yes. mine

[golden gust]

oh, yea; just saw it

[limber knot]

and nobody is giving input

that's my point

[worn ember]

am i on the wrong repo or what?

[sturdy fulcrum]

He’s sleeping

[quasi valley]

it's not on gh

[limber knot]

yes Dark, that's the old one from before the dmca debacle

[quasi valley]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/spigot/repos/craftbukkit/browse (or a level higher to get to spigot)

[worn ember]

oh

[worn ember]

looks big ugly 😢 me no like

[limber knot]

#blameatlassian

[quasi valley]

isnt it basically bitbucket?

[golden gust]

I mean, it's not all that common for random contributors to comment on random PRs

[limber knot]

it is if they need the feature

[golden gust]

I also have doubts that majority of plugin devs have bothered with signing the CLA

[limber knot]

but I get it: if people don't actually need the API then why waste time ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I just add it to Origami and be done with it

[quasi valley]

does Spigot even have a more or less fixed range of "common" contribs (like the people here with the contributor rank)?

[golden gust]

I mean, the API has a specific usecase

[sturdy fulcrum]

I did but never contributed

[golden gust]

There ain't all too many plugins that have such a usecase for that system

[worn ember]

whats the difference between a patch and pr?

actually nvm i'll just google

[limber knot]

a patch is a patch

[golden gust]

a PR is a request to merge a patch

[limber knot]

a pr is something some git platforms use for users to submit patches

[sturdy fulcrum]

Patches are temporary fixes

[limber knot]

wat

not in that context

[worn ember]

so a patch is just a change you make?

[quasi valley]

patches exist so that spigot/paper don't actually hold any vanilla source in their repos

[limber knot]

a git patch contains a set of changes that can be directly applied to a code base with git

s/during/before

Correction, <DiscordBot> <07K​en​ny​TV​> their inherent code changes are then applied before compilation

[quasi valley]

ah yea right