fortunately I will be doing Java rather than JavaScript for my internship if it goes according to plan
#general
worn ember
http://snek.darkeyedragon.me/game/12345 can someone check if it lags or not?
void void
Reply from 185.239.239.84: bytes=32 time=327ms TTL=51
Reply from 185.239.239.84: bytes=32 time=329ms TTL=51
Reply from 185.239.239.84: bytes=32 time=327ms TTL=51
Reply from 185.239.239.84: bytes=32 time=327ms TTL=51```
dapper nacelle
are you kidding me this is impossible
void void
BIG LAG
dapper nacelle
after like 5 key presses I can't move
worn ember
dapper nacelle
oh you can't do a 180
worn ember
it still has a few bugs lol
worn ember
those were other players lol
dapper nacelle
wtf you can't hityourself with your head?
void void
my ping is too big please move the server thanks
worn ember
you can
void void
battlesnake is better
worn ember
oof
upper flicker
Nice
cunning badge
@upper flicker are you really using xp or was that just a meme?
vestal jasper
xp isn't a meme dude wtf
upper flicker
I used XP to test something
quasi valley
using xp for real is still a meme
cunning badge
worn ember
true
vestal jasper
irc never forgets
cunning badge
First windows I used was Windows 98
worn ember
95 here
vestal jasper
first windows I used was vista
cunning badge
sue'd
vestal jasper
yeah I'll sue microsoft over that piece of shit
cunning badge
Windows 7 was the best
Now im only using windows for gaming
cause that shit is garbage
worn ember
i got no reason to use linux so i keep using windows
quasi valley
real gamers only play fortnite on their samsung mobile phone
cunning badge
Can someone ban kenny please?
quasi valley
real gamers play minecraft on some p2 server full of micro transactions
ancient bolt
xp master race
woven otter
not using bots to play mc
hot gorge
Someone enlighten me to what's wrong with Windows 10?
golden gust
7 was the best OS
SInce then, usability and performance has just tanked even further
hot gorge
10 feels way faster than 7 ever did
golden gust
I'll give them props, 10 is muuuuuuuuuuuccch better than the mess that was 8
But, overall, it's not really a massive improvement of the OS
Windows just feels slow and clunky for me
hot gorge
I feel like 10 so far has had the best user experience, other than stupid system settings and control panel be buried crap.
Like, there are 3 extra clicks now to get to my network adapter to set a manual ip
golden gust
Part of the reasons why I hate above 7
hot gorge
That changed with the fall update like a year ago
golden gust
The OS feels unfinished
hot gorge
10 wasn;t like that before
golden gust
Which, I mean, it is
But, I recall being pissed off with their pc settings app having 1/2 of the settings and control panel having the other half
hot gorge
If I could, I probably would run MacOS on my PCs all the time
but a hackintosh is just a fucking timesink
golden gust
It's better now, but more stuff is just accessible in the pc settings which has some god aweful interface
Can we also find a level of beauty in the fact that to change the screen resolution, you need to use a windows 10 app now
hot gorge
Yeah, thats what I am talking about,cat
dapper nacelle
golden gust
annnnnd windows 10 apps don't tend to be happy on smaller screen resolutions
dapper nacelle
smh 2 headphones
why 2 you ask
open back for alone time and closed back for when other people are around
hot gorge
If you want to change your sample rate, you open system setting and click "adapter properties" and then it opens up control panel
It's maddening
hot gorge
I'm not talking to you and nor do I care what your sample rate is
You don't even know why 96k exists.
dapper nacelle
I do
golden gust
96k exists because mah epeen
dapper nacelle
41 should be enough to play 0 to 20kHz
dapper nacelle
but since its unknown how anything higher than 20kHz will effect sound below 20kHz its recorded
and not cut off
golden gust
starts hurling vinyls around the room like frisbees
dapper nacelle
my friend in the music industry said everything is basically recorded at 48
hot gorge
cat you must be feeling better
golden gust
I just wanna sleep
golden gust
and now I'm literally taking stuff that causes days like that for me in hopes that it fixes everything else wrong with me
\o/
dapper nacelle
and its horribly difficult to fix your biological clock
high geode
all u need is your gf to take you to bed at night & wake up in the morning
hot gorge
Here you go Dylan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist_frequency
dapper nacelle
yeah Ik
hot gorge
playing back isn't really an issue
dapper nacelle
you take double of the highest pitch you are recording so tipically 20kHz and double it and add some to be on the safe side
hot gorge
It's in digital recording that you need a safe margin to protect against artifacts
dapper nacelle
as a rule of thumb
hot gorge
Yes
dapper nacelle
I need to leave for the dentist
hot gorge
Most mics aren't capable of going above 20khz anyways
golden gust
I need to go find the mental energy to jump in the shower
dapper nacelle
that's the max frequency of my mic
48 kHz max sample rate
16 bit bit dept
I wish it was 24
not that I really need it
hot gorge
Just more data
hot gorge
in a blind AB test you would never hear a difference
dapper nacelle
decent price
well with studio monitoring headphones you will notice it
but gota go cya
hot gorge
You wouldn't lol
cunning badge
Cat what OS are you using?
hot gorge
He am Mac iirc
sudden condor
golden gust
Yea, macOS
cunning badge
Thats too expensive for my home OS
hot gorge
MacOS is free
cunning badge
My homeos is on windows, but I wanna switch to dual boot with linux
I wont install macos on a non apple product
its pure pain in the ass
hot gorge
Not really, just having the right kexts
peak dirge
Yes, it is - Apple really wants to you buy their product
But with the right hardware and the right kernel extensions, you can definitely turn a normal PC into a Hackintosh
hot gorge
If I didn't play games, MacOS would be the choice
peak dirge
Well, it depends on what you consider your dream OS. Everyone has a strongly-held opinion.
And if you don't like any of the choices out there: http://wiki.osdev.org
Knock yourself out.
woven otter
what u doing cat instead of sleeping
hot gorge
I like MacOS because you get the usability of Windows and the underlying power of Linux beneath the hood
peak dirge
Well, except macOS is a strange BSD derivative, not a Linux one
golden gust
I went for a mac because I liked their OS too much, basically
if a hackintosh was a viable solution long term, I'da just done that
hot gorge
Apple OS > Apple Hardware
woven otter
🐱
peak dirge
Let's just say that macOS has diverged substantially from the rest of the BSDs, even if chunks of it are based on FreeBSD
and a lot of that has to do with iOS, which is based on macOS but severely locked down and in its own ecosystem (but that's a different topic)
I gotta eat
golden gust
That's the real sad part about macOS is that it's not linux
if it was, imho; it would be perfect
north token
hot gorge
I don't have the mental capacity for linux. Between all the live video and sound tech I have to keep up with at work, I just don't have room in my brain
I'm throwing this keyboard in the trash....
reef gyro
jaunty bolt
What's the "No Table" role?
quasi valley
people with a lack of tables
jaunty bolt
hot gorge
looks at his username
Loud or full of sound, eh?
I only record my magic sword plugin tests a 8k 4:4:4 60fps 24bit/96khz
ancient bolt
@golden gust tbh it's nearly close enough
systemd was even inspired by launchd
so that makes linux and mac even more similar
void void
I enjoy my (mostly) standard terminal access on mac
golden gust
It's only really things like docker that I miss, saying that, firing up a VM ain't too hard
sly cloud
I'm curious as to how hypixel handles its skyblock servers, in terms of how they have many instances of small servers for each player's island
I wonder how its done, considering the servers always switched but the worlds are unique to a player
void void
They have a devlog about it
sly cloud
oh nevermind i just saw it
void void
They use a custom world format that's not heavy at all
fallen oracle
I was up at 5:30, yikers.
I had one of those nights where I felt like I didn't sleep.
void void
Same, I kept trying to sleep and didn't really get to sleep till ~1:30am
sly cloud
thats really cool
void void
a good 4 hours of laying in bed fully conscious
void void
Yup, a very small world (im guessing less than 10 chunks, really, unless you start building a fuckload (that's 160x512x160 blocks by default) on a custom world format is not very big.
So it's easily doable.
They trim out most of the shit that makes mc worlds mc
warm fiber
hot gorge
I kind of want to do a skyblock, but....
void void
but?
hot gorge
Work distraction lol
I don't feel like messing with datapacks to get some of the skyblock stuff playable
void void
worn ember
lol
dapper nacelle
lol
unreal quarry
I feel like batman. I slept wrong or something and woke up with a sore neck. I can't turn my head to either side, so I have to move my entire upper body to look at something :S
worn ember
how is that batman related tho xD
unreal quarry
worn ember
haha fair enough
worn ember
never noticed that
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/OileUnP.png
what? is that a thing in custom fork world
inland fiber
Yo guys any idea if this plugin: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/minecord-voice-chat-in-minecraft.59479/
is worth it?
hot gorge
Why not just use Discord?
unreal quarry
i personally dont think it is
DiscordSRV is in the midst of testing voice capabilities right now, too. for FREE
so, i'd check them out first 😉
sly cloud
When discordsrv recommends pebblehost
quasi valley
"Channels created by the algorythm"
sly cloud
Anyways I don’t understand how hypixel originally saved the region files into sql databases
limber knotBOT
you can store BLOB
quasi valley
sounds like a cool concept, but I personally wouldnt spend 10 bucks on that
limber knotBOT
storing in a database is a quick, easy hack that works for a 72-hour jam
sly cloud
Didn’t know
sly cloud
I wonder if theres a plugin that does that
unreal quarry
dynmap can store png files in mysql blobs 😛
probably the most popular plugin i know that does it
limber knotBOT
sly cloud
Then ill have an issue with latency
limber knotBOT
sorta
sly cloud
I think I’ll have a cached version on the server itself
limber knotBOT
you can optimize it, but best to not use SQL as file storage
sly cloud
And setup a cronjob to sync periodically
limber knotBOT
just Zstd it and store it on a next-gen FS
sly cloud
That might be an issue if its servers far apart
Like one server in Us and another in europe
sly cloud
Loading times will be horrendous hmm
limber knotBOT
gotta ask what your use-case is
wait
you're not trying to store chunk data directly in another machine are you?
that would murder TPS
sly cloud
The idea would be to use a cached version
sly cloud
Trying to have different servers for each individual player
quasi valley
limber knotBOT
different servers entirely?
sly cloud
For their small island
limber knotBOT
why not different worlds?
sly cloud
Yeh
sly cloud
I have 1 US server and 1 asia server, I want players to be able to load their islands even if they connect to the other server
limber knotBOT
dso data sharing between the two? Load-balancing?
store island data on a central server, then load it and sync it on quit
easiest solution
doesn't require a ton of modification
Zstd is your freind
sly cloud
Hmm that makes a ton of sense
I was considering edge cases of whether players use vpns to connect
When load balancing
limber knotBOT
train some data on an island, then do a thing
designing for edge-cases
you're spending time and money on edge-cases from the start?
plan around them, sure, but don't design for them from the start
unless you have good reason
sly cloud
I’m starting from scratch so I was brain storming
limber knotBOT
where's your current audience? Builda network there
sly cloud
In Asia, honestly I’m just future proofing
sly cloud
Because the other guy on my team wants to expand and I’m worried we don’t have any solutions
limber knotBOT
go for it if you want, but it's not a good decision
sly cloud
I agree but I need to be prepared in case that happens
limber knotBOT
plan around expansion, but don't expand right away
make your network wok locall first
I can letter
sly cloud
Migration is painful 😦
limber knotBOT
design your network for cliud (cloud-LAN, etc)
OVH has cloud networks now, neat stuff
then you can scale
basically, "design for scale"
if you're sure that's where you want to go
be aware designing for scale takes some time and a LOT of money
so be sure that's the direction you want to go
limber knotBOT
ZSH is popular, apparentlyHypixel uses some fancy AWS-like thing
might be woth a shot, I'm not familiar enough
it's FOSS, so maybe worth a play
sly cloud
Ill stick to a more well documented one I guess
sly cloud
Lmao
void void
lol are you still talking about this
sly cloud
Not really
void void
Looks like it to me, that was a largely a rhetorical question
sly cloud
Some of them are more detailed than others
void void
I thought their Skyblock one was quite fascinating
Their custom world format, seaweed fs, all that fun stuff
(not sure if they mentioned it) but i also like RESTful dynamically allocated machines
void void
Byteflux did you decline my friend request meaniepants
sly cloud
Who knew minecraft server hosting could become so complex as today
void void
Yeah it goes way beyond mc at this point
limber knotBOT
MC happens to be the vehicle upon which this tech is offered
it can be (and is) expanded beyind that
sly cloud
Hm I think I can write a plugin that uses the player join and quit event that triggers a compress and sync to the main storage server
limber knotBOT
cache
sly cloud
I’ve used zfs before, but mainly for the compression it provides
limber knotBOT
^
void void
It's not a nice-to-have, it's a need-to-have
runic inlet
limber knotBOT
pub/sub or message relay
send message to invalidate cache
invalidate after 12 hours to reduce overhead
or 24, or 8
depending on usage
sly cloud
What if its two proxies using haproxy load balancing
Back to sql i guess
I like how luckperms does it
void void
Why would pubsub not work in that case...
That's what pubsub is for...
and LP has pubsub support.
sly cloud
Redis?
void void
That is an in-memory db with pubsub support yes.
rich briar
rich briar
Hi 👋
zealous knot
You better run because once i catch up to you im gonna put you in a fuckin can
@unreal quarry
grand slate
Uuuhhhhh
void void
limber knotBOT
well this is fabulous
this amazon seller sells 6 colors of the same cargo shorts
but only 3 ship to portugal
how does that even come to be?
#racist
they actually only sell the lightest colors here so I guess we're doing segregation now
gusty idol
wat
pulsar wigeon
the dark pigments wash out too quickly in the portugal sun :^)
limber knotBOT
excuse me, what in God's name is this? https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61goWvHmKKL._UX679_.jpg
woven otter
yes
limber knotBOT
hilariously they couldn't convince a model to wear it so the model pics are just wearing different cargo shorts
this is like you need camo for a wall full of graffiti and the spilled brains of civilian casualties
void void
zealous knot
L E G
void void
Why are you tagging him directly
https://papermc.io/downloads
Scroll down.
Click legacy.
@supple latch
Read the rules in #404345080917262369 next time.
supple latch
I'm sorry!
craggy owl
limber knotBOT
is there an option to list all keys in a PersistentDataContainer ?
restive adder
static badge
no
limber knotBOT
could it be added or is there a reason not to add it?
limber knotBOT
ok
void void
fuck this math prof I have tbh
get to last 2 problems on this thing
each has 6 subproblems
12 problems left 
soft light
void void
alright done, 3 hours i go get more yay -.-
alpine nimbus
worn jasper
void void
vestal helm
grand slate
Welcome people
acoustic pilot
Damn, all of Steam is basically down
void void
;o
acoustic pilot
Like, everything
grand slate
No he declined
cosmic raft
void void
:(
void void
I sent it again and it went away 
acoustic pilot
And how a company like Valve should be doing "routine maintenance"
Every Steam service is down lol
grand slate
He blocked u now
fallen oracle
Yikes.
grand slate
I will ddos google XD
void void
acoustic pilot
I sent the request instead
void void
lel
acoustic pilot
I think maybe it's cuz of my settings
worn ember
@acoustic pilot i just noticed it too
grand slate
@worn ember DER
worn ember
cosmic raft
yes, maintenance
fallen oracle
Wahoo! I got a 504 instead of a 502
acoustic pilot
Steam 502/504's every single one of their services, routinely, on Tuesdays, yeah right lol
acoustic pilot
Even shittier companies are more professional with their "routine maintenance" than this
worn ember
most are already up again
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Reminder: Weekly Maintenance; Steam will be down in around 2 hours... : Steam - 17 comments, 7 points - AutoModerator, 1h ago
void void
Yeah it should return 503
fallen oracle
Website back up.
cosmic raft
it is routine
worn ember
REEEE
void void
Routine but the status codes are nasty
acoustic pilot
Yes, highly unprofessional way to conduct maintenance.
worn ember
what are you supposed to return then?
acoustic pilot
And not a standard Nginx error page
void void
not 502 (bad gateway) or 504 (timeout)
acoustic pilot
Maybe a nice page that says "Hey, we're doing maintenance" lol
cosmic raft
void void
imagine coming out of maintenance and immediately being inundated with 5.3 million people
6.2 now nice
fallen oracle
Is Paladins any fun?
cosmic raft
I think you mean 7.1
acoustic pilot
that's the overwatch rip off isnt it
worn ember
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) 160TB Server with Linus! (From Linus Tech Tips) - Smarter Every Day 222 - length 11m 53s - 86,684 likes, 793 dislikes (99.1%) - 1,392,574 views - SmarterEveryDay on 2019.07.30
void void
@cosmic raft i think you mean 7.9
alright anyway
going to take dinner out of the oven
worn ember
1month old
cosmic raft
still old
worn ember
no u
hot gorge
Pffff 160tb is smol time
worn ember
its 158more than what i have
acoustic pilot
The Boys, on Amazon Prime, is really good. Second Demon's recommendation.
worn ember
sounds pretty gay
acoustic pilot
I watched a lot of shows, probably one of the best I've seen in 2019 😛
worn ember
not that many great ones in 2019
worn ember
only watched S2 of one punch man recently
worn ember
1st one was better
this one kinda felt like filler
and it ended when it got interesting
worn ember
yeah i suppose
also waiting on rick and morty
but thats all really
i dont watch many series
acoustic pilot
There's a bunch of isekai I'm waiting on
limber knotBOT
wa
acoustic pilot
RE:Zero, Saga of Tanya the Evil, Overlord, KonoSuba, No Game No Life, That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime, GATE and maybe some I'm missing.
Waiting for new seasons on all of those
Rising of the Shield Hero, Wise Man's Grandchild, How Not to Summon a Demon Lord, also isekais I'm waiting on. So many 😦
hot gorge
It's called dehydration and can't be spontaneous if there is a direct cause.
dapper nacelle
maybe because I had 2.5 hours of sleep
hot gorge
Or you're an idiot.
oblique plume
hey is there anyone whos willing to pm with me that has experience administrating a server and helping me talk out some stuff about some server? im pretty torn on some decisions to make for it
hot gorge
Ezpz boundless. Get paper. Profit
dapper nacelle
oof when I focus I can make the headache slowly disappear
which makes me conclude it was because of too tittle sleep
quick gust
lmfao
hollow obsidian
limber knotBOT
I think it's time to bring ska back
worn ember
ska?
oblique plume
i have paper @hot gorge im having problems with some mysql stuff
dapper nacelle
ska, a skript addon obviously
unreal quarry
ska is a type of music. many times its been tried to "bring back" but it sucks so it fails
vestal helm
Hi, I'm aware that this is most likely the wrong place to ask for help with this, but I'm asking everywhere, so please feel free to delete should you wish to.
I was wondering if anybody has any idea of any mods or api's that load both Forge and Spigot plugins for 1.12.2 as I'm looking to have certain functions i have only found in certain Spigot plugins.
I am trying to run a Pixelmon Generations 1.12.2 server, and i tried to run it through Kettle, however NPC's seemed to not spawn (Mobs did though).
Any help with this, would be greatly apprecated. - Thanks.
unreal quarry
1.12.2 is no longer supported
supple latch
that's waterfall? for BungeeCord?
vestal jasper
mfw
Timings literally always says pillagers are like 40% of tick
I'm legit gonna have to blacklist them from spawning
static badge
wasn't memeing around :>
limber knotBOT
sounds like genocide to me Vicarious
vestal jasper
tbf the pillagers do nothing but go around trying to kill all villagers
worn ember
just stand near a tower and they keep spawning endlessly
hot sandal
void void
what is it that they are doing that is so bad?
static badge
pathfinding
queen rapids
hi prplz
hot gorge
They don't really drop anything interesting. There isn't anything in outposts that is rare or desirable. They're a half baked attempt to add something new to the game and they suck.
main rapids
fair yew
hard kernel
hot gorge
I need a 6u rack for my network closet. Anyone know of any websites selling surplus or liquidation stuff like that?
My house currently has a stupid metal box in the coat closet where all the lines are terminated to.
Such a pain in the ass
supple latch
That server??
hot gorge
No? That's just my network gear for my house
cosmic raft
that network cable at the top makes me cry a bit
quick gust
why do you need 6u of cabinet space for a home network
hot gorge
So the plan is to mount a patch bay in there and move all the gear to a rack.
cosmic raft
those in-wall things suck ass, yeah
hot gorge
I'm going to get a usg pro 4, 16 Port Poe unifi switch and put a rack mount UPS in there
Then a rack shelf for a cloud key gen 2 plus.
quick gust
ok idk what any of those things are why do you need them
hot gorge
Because my network is better than yours
hot gorge
Lol what?
cosmic raft
no
quick gust
?
cosmic raft
internal things too :)
quick gust
i asked him about internals and got big brain jargon
hot gorge
I answered the question you dullard
quick gust
like i could google what he said but why would i want to
no lol
like what are you doing on your network that needs 6u of rack space
hot gorge
The gear is all 1u parts
void void
i know i say this every time we discuss internet but my internet comes in the copper phone line and im sad about that
quick gust
yes but what gear why anything outside of ur isps modem and ethernet connecting ur pc's
cosmic raft
lol
quick gust
vr doesnt need lots of networking stuff
void void
VR is a big thing ok, its very big and very next gen real good amazing 3000 deluxe
quick gust
lol
hot gorge
Anyway, if anyone has some hot leads on cheap racks let me know
dusk drift
Good but any source?
It makes sense if its just fixes
vestal jasper
When did they say this year?
In one of their snapshot posts they said they'd dedicate the entire rest of the year to fixing bugs
void void
My math prof tonight:
"Ok........section 3.2 yawn"
...
"Nevermind go home"
peak dirge
My math professor:
"I'm going to try and make you fail"
...
The class rises in mutiny. Everyone gets expelled from the university, including me, just a puny bystander. At least I'll have no excuses to do blockgame-related activities on the internet, cloistered in my room.
void void
peak dirge
Alternate history scenario inbound
I've been reading a lot of alternatehistory.com lately, some great stuff on there. And it's a XenForo thing that isn't blockgame-related
Topic: Mojang releases Minecraft 1.0.0 as the final release of Minecraft, and immediately moves onto Scrolls as their next project. What happens next?
cosmic raft
cosmic raft
@yvrairport
*YLW Free Wi-Fi
#VanWiFi
att-wifi
BELLWIFI@MCDONALDS
Kandarin
Kandarin-5G
Kelly O'Bryans Guest
LTX DreamHack
ORL
Walmartwifi
SHAW-4950E0-5G
TELUS3943
there you go
static badge
yvrairport
cosmic raft
yes
void void
who is MCDONALD and why do you have his wi fi
upper flicker
some guy with a farm
peak dirge
Paper (as PaperSpigot) would only be a thing in June 2014, well after the November 2011 release of Minecraft 1.0.0. So butterfly effect applies @upper flicker
limber knotBOT
@peak dirge [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
peak dirge
shut up
upper flicker
In a world without Mojang continuing to make performance worse and worse would paper have snowballed as much?
so many places you could take it
peak dirge
I think we'd all still be running CraftBukkit 😉
peak dirge
beta 1.7.3 best beta 😉
reminds me
gotta do a sinks chunk loading in canyon
for the memes and great justice
and tacos
and the reddit upvotes
peak dirge
/r/GoldenAgeMinecraft beckons for my rep
void void
velocity for 1.7.3 beta?
peak dirge
oh great, prplz already coming in with his ideas
upper flicker
Well he is an ideas man
void void
what version adds enderchest
static badge
1.4
upper flicker
That nick and avatar
static badge
what
upper flicker
💯
static badge
ye jt's very good
upper flicker
jt’s
static badge
z for every layer of fat this cat has
void void
who is jt
void void
i dont have a cat
drifting crest
upper flicker
Want one? We have jt
upper flicker
You have been banned from #adorable-pets
upper flicker
ok
void void
i like burgers
static badge
so does the cat
north socket
grand slate
c h o n k cat
limber knotBOT
stabs Christ in the heart a few times with a butchers knife.
void void
wat
quasi valley
I think he’s having a stroke
spice dawn
grand slate
Hey no, i just got stabbed a few fucking times
quasi valley
Sounds reasonable
grand slate
Also how come i'm not nailed to the cross
shell vine
random question for you nerds, do you think its a good idea to get a masters degree
if you already have a BS in Information technology
grand slate
I would yea, but depends on you & what u wanna do
I.e are you an academic, do you love education, or do you specifically need it for something? If you don't like it & don't need it then nah
shell vine
well, I never would have before but now that I have money i am thinking it might help with getting a nice job when completed
but idk if its necessary or not
grand slate
Eh maybe, idk your field but i'd say not particularly
Only do it if you know your job specifically requires it, or if you actually love the subject and just want to do more
shell vine
tbh that second one applies i do want to learn more
long rose
grand slate
Great, if you want to learn that much more, do it ;)
Just check beforehand how many years it'd take
woven otter
shut up Christ
grand slate
@woven otter imagine if no
woven otter
can't imagine something like that
grand slate
I can
woven otter
no
grand slate
@woven otter
woven otter
@grand slate
astral cloak
grand slate
@woven otter
woven otter
@grand slate
grand slate
Help me
minor iron
worn ember
👀
grand slate
@minor iron yea dw :d
coarse urchin
wide chasm
Link?
jaunty bolt
is that mojang? 😮
Will this mean methods in the server code won't all be called a() or b()?
wide chasm
Well 1.15 just became the best version since, ever.
jaunty bolt
❤
wide chasm
throws out Paper
makes plugins for Vanilla
/s
quasi valley
oooooh lol nice
jaunty bolt
oooh, could you rebuild the server.jar and it's code this way?
golden gust
This shall be fun
wide chasm
inb4 Spigot doesn't use it, because backwards compatibility
wide hazel
Huh
golden gust
I mean, I have the fear that they do use it
and the horror of knowing that it's going to be fun if they do
golden gust
Beyond older versions, they'll basically no longer be needed
The usage of things like mcpbot will still be handy, however
wide hazel
That's a weird feeling
golden gust
The game is still obfuscated
golden gust
They're basically including the mapping files, so that we can reverse the obfuscation
golden gust
mcp and fabric create their own obfuscation mappings
The tooling in general will still be relevant
wide hazel
Right, so what do the new Mojang files contain then?
golden gust
They just don't need to maintain their own sets of mappings anymore, however
wide hazel
The mappings that people have been trying to re-create?
Yeah
So while the "apply mappings to obfuscated code" will still be relevant
The "ask the community to create mappings" won't
golden gust
Pretty much
wide hazel
That's a strange feeling
Wonder how mcp is handling that
@cosmic raft how's mcp/forge handling the fact that Mojang is now including mapping files?
digital talon
quasi valley
big brain, sending a log that people are talking about rn 
worn ember
theres still hope for my mod lmao
i couldnt update to 1.14 cuz half the methods werent mapped
at least i'll be able to update to 1.15 lol
golden gust
I mean, it'll be a royal pain in the ass if we have to learn new mappings
but the long term payoff is ++++++
quasi valley
oh hell yea it is
worn ember
wdym "learn new mappings"?
quasi valley
I got almost tired of updating to 1.14, now I cant wait for 1.15 to arrive haha
worn ember
you mean the names and such?
golden gust
ye
quasi valley
well all nms classes and methods will have other names
worn ember
i suppose it'll be somewhat similar
well im not sure about nms
ok so now they gotta fix performance and we're golden
golden gust
Wonder if mojang got annoyed with everybody passing them spigot and mcp mapped stuff 😄
wide chasm
Hopefully their names are somewhat good and aren't stupid.
wide chasm
Yeah, that's true
coarse urchin
inb4 theres a FurnaceFurnaceBlock in Mojang mappings
worn ember
wouldnt they be the original names mojang uses?
golden gust
Of which there are known areas where the mapped field name/class name is just dumb
wide chasm
Yes, they'd be Mojang's original names.
worn ember
so if they're any worse, we know how bad it really is at Mojang HQ
golden gust
If it's worse am just saying that we should all probably pack our bags
worn ember
time to go prepare for hytale
wide chasm
Let's make our plugins compatible with both Minecraft and Hytale /s
golden gust
inb4 they release a new trailer
Apparently it's almost been like a year since they released the trailer
quasi valley
ViaTale with cross plat support 
worn ember
dead
wide chasm
ded*
quasi valley
dad?
wide chasm
Finally, he came back
quasi valley
he just went to get some cigarettes :(
worn ember
👀
quasi valley
anyways, now it's just waiting for loom 👀
wide chasm
I wonder how many he got after 18 years
worn ember
probably died of cancer already
wide chasm
Then how many cigarettes do I get?
jaunty oriole
cringe
jaunty oriole
1.15 looks nice
quasi valley
the guy most responsible for world gen in Hytale is German, so it's obviously Deutsche Handwerkskraft :p
quasi valley
the hype opened a lot of doors in sponsoring and new hiring for them
coarse urchin
quasi valley
fabric will even make a converter for yarn -> new mc mappings lol
grand slate
Woooh mappings.
quasi valley
best part is not having all classes in one monster package haha
grand slate
Hehehe
frigid ferry
grand slate
Will spigot migrate? 🤔 and i presume server mappings are also released
worn ember
damn son thats a long list
limber knotBOT
Will be sure to add that to my GUI I suppose
grand slate
Inb4 we can delete 50% of bukkit now, only the plugin loader.
vestal jasper
holy shit
quasi valley
yeah exactly, vic
grand slate
With the mappings, they may as well go open source /s
wide hazel
@golden gust so how are we handling obfhelpers if/when Spigot includes mappings?
celest coyote
we would have to rewrite all obfhelpers
but since its gunna be fully mapped
we could take em out
quasi valley
net.minecraft.world.level.levelgen.placement.FeatureDecorator NOPE -> h nice
grand slate
h
quasi valley
net.minecraft.world.entity.monster.SpellcasterIllager$IllagerSpell WOLOLO -> d ingenious
golden gust
Yea, if we don't need them we don't need them
celest coyote
you guys realize that those mapping are autogenerated
and they are designed to be confusing
golden gust
NOPE will have been remapped
worn ember
wait so they're giving us mappings, but still fucking us over?
jaunty oriole
WOLOLOLOLO
golden gust
bukkit-1.14.4-members.csrg:EntityIllagerWizard$Spell d WOLOLO
grand slate
Nah they gave up and want us to fix their game
quasi valley
pretty sure that's its actual name https://kennytv.eu/files/tmna0.png
worn ember
quasi valley
and I love it
grand slate
1.14 was too unsuccessful for them, they gave up 😔
worn ember
Aikar is no longer allowed to play Ark until everything for 1.15 is ready
vestal jasper
Also thank god they fixed the nether portal lag issue
golden gust
Who'da guessed that kash would have some form of hand in all of this
vestal jasper
I've seen people enter nether portals and TPS dip from 20 to 5
golden gust
oh, if those are the mojang ones then yea, those are the real names and stuff
jaunty oriole
WOLOLO
hot gorge
Anyone got a mech keyboard rec that uses MX Blues? Preferably backlit?
quasi valley
to be fair I think that's literally what's being said when the spell is being activated
but NOPE is just awesome
limber knotBOT
void youJustLostTheGame() -> a
sacred fractal
wide hazel
Screenshot (Sep 4, 2019 7:58:11 AM)
celest coyote
why is that in the blaze class
cosmic raft
because it forces a crash
grand slate
com.mojang confused me for a second lel
That's illegal, we can't call it all nms
Any opinions on how long spigot would take to use this?
vestal jasper
knowing md_5 he's probably already done it
olive garden
and we wish he hadn't
grand slate
? Trig
quasi valley
wat
olive garden
after the 1.13 compat layer I don't want to see any of his inventions
fallow apex
quasi valley
well hopefully he wont actually do such a magic for class/field/method haha
olive garden
god, I write more comprehensible sentences than these when I'm drunk
quasi valley
I dont know how to spoken English either
grand slate
Well hopefully, since he didn't make these mappings, he can't mess it up that bad
olive garden
let's hope so
void void
rigid oasis
So, they ("Mojang") really released the obsfuscation mappings?
cosmic raft
yes.
rigid oasis
Wow. Will that have any postive impact to Paper? I suppose not..
quasi valley
ay kash you don't happen to know how the chunk data and/or joingame packet are called would you
void void
robust quest
1.15 fixed the overloaded chunk dupes and entity through Nether portal lag spikes.
🎉
void void
Nice
cosmic raft
@quasi valley I do :P
quasi valley
well what are they called 
cosmic raft
net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.ClientboundLevelChunkPacket
pulsar wigeon
cosmic raft
net.minecraft.network.protocol.game.ClientboundLoginPacket
quasi valley
sexy, thank you
pulsar wigeon
smh free mappings and you can't even ctrl+f yourself
quasi valley
searched for clientlogin and join, am baked 
wait the client now receives the world seed?
lol
void void
Mapping fields are read like this right?
newname -> oldname.
quasi valley
yea
rigid oasis
Is there a way to use that mappings to generate a deobsfuscated .jar?
vestal jasper
yes
void void
I think proGuard has a tool for that
quasi valley
wait for some fabric magic or similar
slow kraken
rigid oasis
I know, Fabric is working on them.
But dont want to wait 😄
I think proGuard has a tool for that
Ill try
quasi valley
time to go into singleplayer and xray there with the now sent world seed
radiant oasis
radiant oasis
Using > message
rigid oasis
Selfbot is forbidden
vestal jasper
not knowing about the arrow
quasi valley
following discords rules
rigid oasis
mutli
line
with>>> [Message]
jaunty oriole
using selfbots in 2019
void void
Selfbot is forbidden
@rigid oasis Yeah i know they aren't allowed, that's why i asked
quasi valley
reported and deported
also an instantrespawn gamerule <3 I already love this update
aside from the sent seed but whatever
vestal jasper
update's kinda hype
I wonder if they'll fix pillager pathfinding
if they haven't already
coarse urchin
Twitter
jaunty oriole
quasi valley
lol
golden gust
You know
celest coyote
1.14.4 mappings
golden gust
Well, you don't
celest coyote
poggers
golden gust
But, I was actually going to say "how about we give dinner a poke" before
It's like they're on to us or something
quasi valley
Twitter
rigid oasis
But would be even nicer if they would add that..
golden gust
Their tooling doesn't provide it, basically
rigid oasis
Some names are quite funny
golden gust
Would be nice if they had it, but I can't see them going out of their way to try and give us that info
quasi valley
parameter names would've been nice, but I guess you can live without local ones
celest coyote
Twitter
rigid oasis
RedStoneOreBlock why is S upper case here?
quasi valley
it is red stone
rigid oasis
golden gust
RedstoneOreBlock just looks so wrong
quasi valley
updating ViaVersion without having to guess what new fields/packets mean ♥ ... or having to wait for yarn/pokechu 👀
vestal jasper
well it is a stone that's red
golden gust
an ur fac wil be red
vestal jasper
do it
well deobf is no longer bitching and has been silently doing things for a minute now
I'm gonna take that as a good sign
oh there it goes it bitched
rigid oasis
Which programm is used to convert that mappings to jars.. Dont find anything useful
vestal jasper
You don't convert mappings to jars
rigid oasis
i know, i have to apply them on the obsfuscated jar, but how
gusty idol
void void
an authorized employee has to do it for you
void void
thats what im reading
so do it...
im just curious have you been trying to do this since the last time you asked because this is straight up not that hard
gusty idol
I've been clicking this Sync button for 4 days yes
void void
You have to close the repo so they can review it....
You as a normal dev do not have any right to push directly to maven central
They don't want utter shit on there
gusty idol
My thing has to be on Maven Central for people to browse its javadoc on javadoc.io