war is a waste of resources, change my mind
#general
limber knotBOT
static badge
although seriously ur country should have some millitary force
acoustic pilot
Or at least EU should collectively have one
limber knotBOT
that I would get behind
static badge
collective army for the EU
limber knotBOT
sad thing is eu would just use it to fight immigrants
static badge
it's not a country m8 chill :>
limber knotBOT
cause half of europe is stupid
acoustic pilot
Well
limber knotBOT
like fuck that frontex bullshit
acoustic pilot
Generally military isn't allowed to police
static badge
thankfully all the stupid is in germany
static badge
yes military isn't for policing that'd be retarded
limber knotBOT
I swear, polish ppl are more conservative than muricas bible belt
celest coyote
Just nuke the entire world and make world 2.0
acoustic pilot
some kind of fallout world, full of mutated things
static badge
tbh nuking germany wouldn't be such a bad idea
how many times have they tried to take over europe 
fallen oracle
Does Bungee have an alternative to NumberUtils that's in apache which is in spigot?
acoustic pilot
@static badge in a way, 3 times now
static badge
3 times huh :>
acoustic pilot
if you count the current power Germany wields in Europe
😃
you could say they kinda succeeded
static badge
germany
cunning badge
Germany is Great to live in
Atleast you can kill someone and only Go 2 Years into Jail 
celest coyote
What if germany added kill switches all nuclear plants in europe
static badge
at least it's not nazi germany
celest coyote
You are with us or you do not exist in the future kappa
limber knotBOT
sadly germany doesn't have enough power over europe to fix europe
I mean, we rule the european commission now, but we installed the most incompetent person we could find
static badge
see this is the type of stuff that makes me want to nuke germany
we need power over europe to fix it
limber knotBOT
just look at the state of europe
you have right wing idiots in hungary and poland and italy
you have UK going nuts
celest coyote
5 hours response time
limber knotBOT
you have france fighting wars as a hobby
wide chasm
They obviously played too many video games /s
acoustic pilot
they learned from the best
celest coyote
and in germany you have nuclear-phobes kappa
limber knotBOT
when germany goes to war, we do so with passion and have a agenda and shit
celest coyote
france has been playing video games since before it was born
static badge
one agenda germany was known for :>
static badge
it's a lifestyle
limber knotBOT
just call em?
static badge
hans get the luger
limber knotBOT
I mean, today 58 years ago we build a wall around half our country
something trump isn't capable off 😂
celest coyote
speak of Germany, anyone here watched Dark (TV show from Netflix germany)
acoustic pilot
i dont remember it being manual, but it was long ago, my memory could be shit or they could've changed it
celest coyote
I'm a couple episodes in and its surprisingly good
acoustic pilot
isn't it just like a confirmation? they deposit like 2 cents or something
limber knotBOT
a good netflix show from germany is called "how to sell drugs online (fast)"
acoustic pilot
oic
limber knotBOT
it features my school
celest coyote
oh nice
limber knotBOT
if you watch it and see a school with yellow pillars, das mine
acoustic pilot
y u sellin drugs, wow mini
celest coyote
time to stalk digger
limber knotBOT
they used it as b-roll
static badge
ur braincells expired
limber knotBOT
the actual series played elsewhere
static badge
moira
vestal jasper
mfw
vestal jasper
overwatch is retarded*
trim coral
pulsar wigeon
you ever have a day where all you can say is
/
dusk drift
/intro
Hello {username}, Welcome to live chat you are talking with {me}! How can I help you today?
slow hull
Meanwhile on 2b2t
Position in queue: 742
static badge
quasi valley
I went from like 2650 to 2900 in a day 
tho the 4 weeks before that were the hell that took me from the prior 2900 down to that 2600
vestal jasper
ok nice sombra decided to let me die instead of hacking the roadhog
that's fine :)
we'll just lose the match off of it
static badge
we're running up at 28mins
quasi valley
people are waiting for it to go live in like an hour, so nobody will be playing ptr rn
surreal moth
digital nest
pseudo haven
wide chasm
Why did you leave?
austere ivy
Because chat was getting toxic.
azure patio
dumb taco hater...
void void
lol
austere ivy
I actually have eaten 9 tacos at once.
void void
you actually left the server over their sarcastic remarks ?
austere ivy
And like 10+ tacos in one day.
And one day I went without eating anything but tacos (and some uhhhh coffee)
No kash kicked me and I accepted it.
void void
oh interesting
austere ivy
I said I was gonna leave and he was like “allow me to help”
Yeeted me out, I was fine with it.
void void
Oh I just searched up that message, I was reading the surrounding messages last night but for some reason those two messages went right over my head
I got banned from the M.O.S.S. discord a while back
merry talon
I was really getting used to him gone
slow flame
void void
recommendations for a x86-64 (non windows phone) racing game that supports xbox 360 gamepad?
need for speed most wanted is very laggy
need for speed underground doesn't natively support xbox 360 gamepad
woven otter
@austere ivy u smell bad
limber knotBOT
gets some friends together and shivs wizjany a few times.
woven otter
.kill wizjany
limber knotBOT
feeds wizjany to an angry black dragon.
pulsar wigeon
shut up bot you don't have friends
woven otter
.slap wizjany
limber knotBOT
hits wizjany around a bit with a lava bucket.
limber knotBOT
dances upon the grave of wizjany's ancestors.
vestal jasper
.kill leaf
limber knotBOT
goes bowling with leaf's bloody disembodied head.
woven otter
.kill Vicarious
limber knotBOT
rips off Vicarious's limbs and leaves them to die.
worn ember
.kill duck
limber knotBOT
grabs a automatic pistol and riddles duck's body with bullets.
quasi valley
.kill myself
limber knotBOT
rips off DiscordBot's limbs and leaves them to die.
limber knotBOT
im trying to create my first plugin and to do that it seems like I need to use maven to be able to get a copy of paper-api. What is the easiest way for me to get a copy of paper-api?
I am new to java so just need some pointers in the right direction
woven otter
.lart ISIS Kernel Mode
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) I can't attack that.
limber knotBOT
resizes KennyTV's console to 40x24.
quasi valley
what a monster
woven otter
that must hurt
golden gust
If you're using intellij, install the minecraft development plugin and create a project using that
cedar spade
.kill xD
limber knotBOT
stuffs a bunch of C4 up DiscordBot's ass and waits for it to go off.
cedar spade
nice
limber knotBOT
thanks
worn ember
@woven otter i'm untouchable
limber knotBOT
goes bowling with DarkEyeDragon's bloody disembodied head.
worn ember
.kill yourmom
limber knotBOT
stabs yourmom in the heart a few times with a butchers knife.
azure patio
thanks god
woven otter
no thanks
azure patio
.kill kernel
limber knotBOT
turns kernel into a snail and covers them in salt.
stray bluff
void void
Anyone knows a good free faction plugin for 1.14?
cedar spade
.kill colonduckcolon
limber knotBOT
reaches out and punches right through colonduckcolon's chest.
woven otter
how dare you
cedar spade
FactionsUUID
void void
Eyye! It's not free 😛
woven otter
.kill MDspace(notspacethatspaceone)
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) I can't attack that.
quasi valley
it's free for a small price !
cedar spade
it is if you don't want support
limber knotBOT
.kill DiscordBot
beheads DiscordBot with a rusty scythe and uses their head to play baseball.
void void
But it's showing to purchase $15
woven otter
hold on what
woven otter
.kill MDspaceopenbracketnotspacethatspaceoneclosebracket
limber knotBOT
.kill colonduckcolon
stabs colonduckcolon in the heart a few times with a butchers knife.
rams a napalm launcher up MDspaceopenbracketnotspacethatspaceoneclosebracket's ass and lets off a few rounds.
quasi valley
someone needs to kill that bot for good
woven otter
u first
cedar spade
.kill xD
limber knotBOT
reaches out and punches right through DiscordBot's chest.
quasi valley
no u
woven otter
u
quasi valley
🏓
limber knotBOT
no
woven otter
who's the impostor
quasi valley
your existence is a bruh moment
woven otter
^
azure patio
my brain cells = 0
woven otter
.ban colonduckcolon
azure patio
.torture everyone
woven otter
at-everyone
vestal jasper
@azure patio
azure patio
reeee
woven otter
hacked
vestal jasper
get fucked
quasi valley
you just saved the duck from facing the dagger, fools
pulsar wigeon
🗡 🦆 ?
woven otter
no
azure patio
yes
woven otter
🦆 🗡
vestal jasper
did someone say no-reacts role for duck? :^)
pulsar wigeon
🗡 🦆 🍚 tbh
woven otter
u
pulsar wigeon
can't say french bread is the right match here
quasi valley
yeah rice and duck is better 🦆
azure patio
:DDD
literally found company that is doing web design and their site looks like shit
it's not even scaling
analog reef
vestal jasper
@static badge
zen on his own line
I'm triggered
I have to fucking look at this from now on
woven otter
stop advertising barty 😠
quasi valley
I love the queue - just got to play 2 dps with a friend (both of us are heal mains)
azure patio
grinding everyday 12 hours
woven otter
marketing
pulsar wigeon
have to grind 18 hrs/day for the custom particle effects :^)
woven otter
lot less p2w because the ranks are more expensive
fallen oracle
What the fuck is this thread https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/suggestions-about-security.390102/
austere ivy
It’s suggestions to the Sir Administrator, duh.
Lol even if he is actually trying to make legit suggestions, he’s posting SECURITY ISSUES, PUBLICALLY.
Seems like some kid trying to show off his knowledge and sound cool. That sounds like some cringe something that past me would do..
I don’t blame him if he’s not trying to boost his ego, though. At least make an effort to find out who the “sir Administrator” is, and DM them about this.
wide chasm
Seems like he barely knows what he's talking about tbh.
fallen oracle
If he doesn't want to have a security issue, then don't use the site, lmao.
austere ivy
austere ivy
Did the guy hack into the website and find out what addons they’re using? How does the guy even know there ARE useless addons?
dusk drift
sir Administrator
austere ivy
Epic suggestions right there.
“More security”
WOW incredible this guy just solved every security problem ever by telling the administrator to “apply more security!”
So simple and easy! Why haven’t we thought of that?!?
Sorry I don’t mean to be rude. This person just doesn’t seem to be making a lot of sense ._.
dusk drift
sir Administrator
austere ivy
teal mountain
wide chasm
"Guys, how should I store my passwords?"
"Just apply MORE SECURITY!"
This is what happened with T-Mobile Austria.
austere ivy
I think we found a real life /r/iamverysmart
“hurr durr I know what htaccess is hurr durr am smart y’all are dum”
Yes stop behaving in such a PROPOTENT MANNER, I am SMARTER THAN YOU because I understand that XENFORO can not manage or control spigots HTACCESS
Goodness gracious
This is a meme. Can we have a new command that just spits out that text?
woven otter
|| memories of secure random intensifies ||
void void
ebon bridge
austere ivy
Thread locked!
heady slate
celest coyote
new random(UUID.hashcode)
quasi valley
austere ivy
The guy:
void void
Is that a new meme on here now 🤔
austere ivy
“Due to my proficient knowledge of Java, I have conjured the method in which Sir Administrator should upgrade the security:"
Security security = new XenForoSecurity(“Spigot Security”);
security.getDatabaseSecuritySection().upgrade();
security.getWebServerSecuritySection().upgrade();
// Alternatively:
// security.getSecuritySection(“Database”).upgrade();
// security.getSecuritySection(“WebServer”).upgrade();
// Alternatively:
// security.getSecuritySection(SecuritySectionType.DATABASE).upgrade();
// security.getSecuritySection(SecuritySectionType.WEBSERVER).upgrade();
for (SecuritySection securitySection = security.getSecuritySections()) {
securitySection.ensureUpgraded();
}
I guess so since you didn't want to listen to anybody
austere ivy
I painstakingly typed that all out on my phone
celest coyote
devon you brought this upon yourself
runic herald
void void
Lol
fair enough
painstakingly trying to figure out why installing NFS and uninstalling it left 1gb of junk behind and where the heck the junk is with WinDirStat
oh nevermind it has nothing to do with junk left behind
I forgot I had to enable pagefile at 1gb for the game to start
but in the process of trying to find nonexistent junk files I learned that revo uninstaller pro makes backups of your registery and files of every application you uninstall, I also learned that I forgot to disable the windows search service, and I forgot to disable system restore
so in the end I still freed up a gigabyte
I can clear my update history now since I disabled windows update ^
woven otter
can I ask you a question about your code
void void
hm
woven otter
is that a yes or no
quasi valley
yesn't
void void
It means sure but I won't acknowledge
unkempt drift
woven otter
acknowledge what
quasi valley
it's a yesn't
void void
^
woven otter
okay then:
why do you convert collections to arrays before iterating through them
void void
What
pulsar wigeon
sounds like lack of braincells
woven otter
found it in multiple places and was curious
pulsar wigeon
void void
I convert a constantly changing collection to a static array so I can iterate through and not have any issues
It is not efficient in the least and I am rewriting a lot of the project locally atm
pulsar wigeon
i mean, may as well use a COW array list
woven otter
well have you heard anything about threading 🤔
pulsar wigeon
converting a collection to an array isn't really helping much
tho i can't see the code
but if you conversion iterates then you have issues anyway
like you're not gonna eliminate threading problems with that
void void
You don't make Thread instances in bukkit, you use the bukkit scheduler and there is specific methods to make it async. If you spawn your own thread not managed by the bukkit api then you are asking for trouble.
pulsar wigeon
i mean you can but that's entirely irrelevant here
void void
pulsar wigeon
also i guess i'm asking for trouble LUL
void void
You can but then bukkit can't stop it on reload and you have those classes still loaded and will cause issues with the new version of the plugin
pulsar wigeon
god forbid i want to have proper control over my threads
what the fuck does that have to do with threading
void void
I was answering 🦆
woven otter
well okay maybe not with threading but with order of execution
void void
Events can run at the same time as the command executor or even other events.
Especially if you have an async task running that also uses that collection
pulsar wigeon
that doesn't explain why you're copying to arrays
or what you think that does to help concurrency issues
duck link me code
so i can see how dumb this actually is
void void
"I convert a constantly changing collection to a static array so I can iterate through and not have any issues"
To better explain, I convert it to a static array so I can read the last snapshot's values which may not be the same a hundred milliseconds later in this long loop and make judgement on what modifications to make to the same collection (seperate from the static array)
woven otter
https://github.com/SkorrloreGaming/SkorrloreGaming/blob/master/src/main/java/me/skorrloregaming/%24.java#L64
https://github.com/SkorrloreGaming/SkorrloreGaming/blob/master/src/main/java/me/skorrloregaming/runnable/GCandAutoDemotion.java#L14
two places
pulsar wigeon
someone link me fucking code gdi
thank you
$.java
ok first of all this project is already 🚮
woven otter
well I think I reignited this conversation
void void
It is in a lot more then those two places and in both of those cases I definitely did not need to convert it to a static array. Like I said I am rewriting a lot of it right now
pulsar wigeon
second of all, toArray isn't concurrent safe
so you're basically just shoving the risk of error from a big loop to a small one
using a COW list eliminates that issue, and reduces the unnecessary copying when it's not needed
quasi valley
what's cow? 👀
woven otter
pulsar wigeon
(or just synchronizing, tbh. dunno how often the list actually changes anyway)
copyonwrite
quasi valley
ah
woven otter
Events can run at the same time as the command executor or even other events.
do they actually run at the same time?
Aren't most of the events called and commands executed on the main thread
so they can't really run at the same time can they?
void void
They don't run exactly at the same time
But close enough when the loop can be over 500ms
quasi valley
pulsar wigeon
unless you're scheduling async tasks from your commands, commands always run sync
void void
This is why I am rewriting a lot of the plugin
pulsar wigeon
and most events do.
jesus this code
have you ever heard of a god class?
this plugin is like 20 god classes
woven otter
so assuming you stay on the main thread do you really need to worry about changing collections
pulsar wigeon
are there any files under 1000 lines of code?
void void
Take a look at Server.java in the 2017 branch then
quasi valley
we already had that discussion 😂
woven otter
@quasi valley my bad sorry
quasi valley
not on thread safety, but on the code length and messyness
so yours is more or less new @ 🦆
oh wrong tag rip
void void
wizjany for a project that controls a 13 minigame server almost exclusively by itself, it is hard for me to split it into a hundred million 100 line classes
woven otter
well yeah but I kinda started it
pulsar wigeon
tabs
azure patio
tabs
void void
Yes I hate when people use spaces in java
quasi valley
that's why you have a game API and another "core plugin" or whatever to call it, and then (in some cases) yet another gamemode plugin
pulsar wigeon
and yea, l2modularize
void void
https://github.com/SkorrloreGaming/SkorrloreGaming/blob/2017/src/main/java/me/skorrloregaming/Server.java here is a link to the main class from 2017 before I think 4 rewrites
woven otter
ever since @upper flicker complained about my formatting I hate anyone that doesn't use CTRL + Alt + L || I'm assuming default keybinds ||
pulsar wigeon
Decompiled with
wtf?
void void
we have SkorrloreGamingLink which I offloaded a lot of the code off to which SkorrloreGaming depends on
yes I had to decompile it since I lost the code
azure patio
void void
my computer died before I got into github
woven otter
Devon do you use Eclipse?
void void
I used to, now I use intellij
woven otter
void void
I have been using intellij for 3 years
woven otter
okay I have another question
void void
I used to use dark theme but I got tired of the inconsistency with half of my applications straight up not supporting dark theme
woven otter
what's with this:
https://github.com/SkorrloreGaming/SkorrloreGaming/blob/master/src/main/java/me/skorrloregaming/%24.java#L46
why are you creating new array
void void
because Arrays.asList does not take in String... it takes in an array
and since I dynamically modify those lists I can't have it a static array
woven otter
var args?
pulsar wigeon
bruh
woven otter
doesn't Arrays.asList create immutable List anyways
pulsar wigeon
can you stop saying "static array"
and no it doesn't duck
ImmutableList.of(...) does tho
and takes varargs
guava :^)
azure patio
Devon use linux, eg.; kde thanks to qt and gtk your desktop theme is in almost every sofwatre
ez
void void
and I say static because it is not being changed by my 20 other tasks at the same time I am trying to modify or read it, it is a static array that no matter what will stay the same unless I modify it.
void void
I used linux for about 6 months but when I got back into hard modding my xbox I had to switch back to windows
I know
azure patio
duck windows
woven otter
what windows
void void
öwö üwü öwö
quasi valley
yeah there's no such thing on the internet
pulsar wigeon
obvious neckbeard
azure patio
pulsar wigeon
yes
ImmutableList.of() actually has a bunch of overloads
so it doesn't create an array for the first like, 6 args
only after that does it start using varargs
woven otter
so is the purpose of that array creation to make code less readable?
pulsar wigeon
hm?
woven otter
pulsar wigeon
varargs hasn't been around forever
woven otter
sure
brazen adder
Is there a possible way to detect mods used like forge mods or hacked clients or other modifications to the client. and/or possibly detecting resourcepacks. on Paper 1.14.4?
woven otter
also Devon the reason I asked about eclipse is because your code lights up like christmas tree in IJ
woven otter
unkempt drift
@brazen adder I believe there is a Player#hasResourcePack()
silent flame
no channel to post your Minecraft server?
unkempt drift
^^
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/2FLeKr8.png ¯_(ツ)_/¯
brazen adder
well since i am a server owner that installs plugins and configures and not much else. i have no idea how that would help me lol
unkempt drift
ah, I didn't realize that. There has to be some anti-cheat plugin out there for you that has those features
void void
Yeah I have inspections turned off, it was annoying af.
brazen adder
when i type "mod detection plugin 1.14" or "resourcepack detection 1,14" i just get posts on mods and resourcepacks and how to install them
vestal jasper
no channel to post your Minecraft server?
You're saying this in a discord full of developers and server owners.
You really think anyone here is actively seeking mc servers to play on?
woven otter
i can't believe wiz was right
unkempt drift
@brazen adder try searching specifically on spigot.org or something
pulsar wigeon
tbh can't remember last time i was wrong :^)
vestal jasper
you're wrong about your braincell count
woven otter
wiz how old am I
brazen adder
i will try that. thanks for trying @unkempt drift :]
unkempt drift
😃
azure patio
quasi valley
azure patio
woven otter
Devon I would contribute to your project tbh but I guess you wouldn't like my CTRL + Alt + L contribution
void void
I won't accept a contribution of spaces instead of tabs
quasi valley
you can also format an entire module ;)
woven otter
tbh that project needs a full rewrite
void void
vestal jasper
Why would you use tabs?
woven otter
fuck tabs though
vestal jasper
Why does that contribution even need to be made
Should've been a thing to begin with
void void
Because then it only takes one key press back or forth to properly indent shit instead of having to press a button 4 times
woven otter
what
vestal jasper
what the fuck kind of editor are you using?
void void
IntelliJ
vestal jasper
IDEA treats 4 spaces as a tab by default
void void
I had to use spaces for my PR to PlotSquared and it was torture
quasi valley
you can still use tab and it'll autofill the spaces
void void
then explain to me why I had to
quasi valley
and eitherway, in what scenario would you even have to backspace
vestal jasper
you 100% fucked up your IDEA settings
void void
it was default
vestal jasper
quasi valley
yeah big doubt on that 👀
vestal jasper
Mine uses default settings and spaces behave perfectly like tabs do
void void
and which intellij setting would say, hey let's cause hell for the developer
vestal jasper
Literally has through 10 different installs
I've NEVER had it not treat spaces like tabs and not have functional backspace
azure patio
project settings?
pulsar wigeon
if you hit the tab key in IJ and your file uses spaces it will insert or delete spaces
lul
vestal jasper
Different computers.
Different operating systems.
Updates.
pulsar wigeon
and yea been using IJ since like 2012/2013 prob
vestal jasper
If you didn't fuck up the settings then the project's settings are fucked and IDEA is inheriting them
hot gorge
That's a novel IDEA
strong trench
void void
I never configure project settings, I use maven and constantly having to switch repos, so I configure default settings
woven otter
also it's weird that you use IJ without inspections
austere ivy
Hey Vic
vestal jasper
Hi brian
austere ivy
Nice avatar
vestal jasper
ty
woven otter
hmm how do you reformat code of entire module
azure patio
I'm now thinking what adds enterprise version?
void void
right click and click reformat code
woven otter
isn't there some shortcut
vestal jasper
literally says on that line
azure patio
^
void void
^
pulsar wigeon
Strg 💪 Alt L
woven otter
well yes I'm blind
vestal jasper
ducks aren't known for their sight
pulsar wigeon
that's because you're a duck
vestal jasper
or intelligence
woven otter
ur retarded vic
vestal jasper
thanks
pulsar wigeon
🗡 🦆
vestal jasper
at least I can use my eyes
void void
this new rewrite of the plugin won't be converting any collections to an array anymore, at least from the look of it because of how I am reworking the logic of the plugin, it also won't be using flatfile to store everything and instead a database which will drastically speed up GCandAutoDemotion.java. this new version is also getting full javadocs commenting and will no longer be using $ for the util class name.
pulsar wigeon
what
woven otter
also static abuse is abuse
pulsar wigeon
what makes you think database is faster than flatfile
are you doing IO every time you need a value???
void void
no
pulsar wigeon
have you heard of RAM?
woven otter
*WAM
void void
.db in the plugin data folder, not a hosted database
pulsar wigeon
sqlite is still a database
void void
I know and it is much faster for the use scenario, I am already getting much faster access times for all the players
pulsar wigeon
and still does IO*
*situationally, might also be able to just load the whole thing in ram. but then it's just a map with indexing
like, what are you actually storing
that requires access time
azure patio
me: pays for ultimate version
also me: doesnt't use any feature from ultimate version
void void
Let me get a screenshot
azure patio
profit
quasi valley
free ultimate cause student
unkempt drift
^^
woven otter
looks like some of your code is a result of decompiler
void void
pulsar wigeon
WG's flat file region storage is blazing fucking fast because we don't do file calls anywhere but the save/load thread
quasi valley
tho I just realized I'll have to renew it soon
pulsar wigeon
lul
woven otter
that's crazy wiz
void void
pulsar wigeon
this is like 1MB of data dude
???
load all the files into ram. never look back
(well, only to save them)
void void
That's what I am doing, I only save every 15 minutes
pulsar wigeon
save off thread too
pulsar wigeon
you can save every 10 seconds if it's off thread no one cares
void void
Well even off thread it causes a 3 second lag spike
quasi valley
wat
pulsar wigeon
you're doing something retarded then
unkempt drift
that doesn't make sense
void void
It doesn't I know
unkempt drift
if its off thread, then its not blocking
void void
^
pulsar wigeon
are the files symlinked to a network drive across the world?
woven otter
how can you claim efficiency then 🤔
pulsar wigeon
is server thread doing while (!stuff.isSaved()) sleep(1)
coarse shadow
quasi valley
are you using plain snakeyaml/spigots extra stuff or some custom config badoof?
woven otter
you should rewrite it from scratch but that's my opinion
void void
good luck rewriting this big of a project then ^^
This plugin exclusively runs a 13 minigame server
woven otter
well I don't see an alternative tbh
void void
There is an alternative, it's called fixing the code, rewriting it is not an option 7 years into it
quasi valley
not only is it an option, but the best one
vestal jasper
It's always an option. It may not be worth the time investment which is the issue.
void void
You can't just rewrite paperspigot either, stuff depends on it, just like how my website depends on hosted web servers from my plugin and so does my other plugins depend on my classes
limber knotBOT
@void void [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
pulsar wigeon
stuff depends on it
azure patio
.typing
pulsar wigeon
i thought it was mostly monolithic and only your server depends on it?
olive garden
my guess is that if you really want to fix this, you will break compatibility
vestal jasper
Aren't most of paper's patches rebuilt and redone every single version?
limber knotBOT
vestal jasper
Like the async io patch was completely rewritten from the ground up
azure patio
thanks MD
void void
I am dead 🤣 bye
cedar spade
no worries, I couldn't remember what it was until you corrected yourself :p
void void
Ask anyone here and they would say paper is not rewritten from scratch every single release
olive garden
lmao
cedar spade
your other plugins depend on this plugin's config loading/saving mechanism?
woven otter
it's not really the same though is it
void void
You literally did, you said rewrite all the patches every release
pulsar wigeon
patches being rebuilt doesn't mean rewritten from scratch
void void
and paper is based on patches, paper is not a from scratch software
quasi valley
yeah but noone is talking about rewriting the MC server???
vestal jasper
You're twisting my words and I'd like you to refrain from doing so
cedar spade
Your plugin isn't patch-based is it?
quasi valley
your plugin certainly is A LOT smaller than an entire server software
and again - even if it's large, redoing such a mess is better than to stick with it
void void
No way, seriously? I did not know
quasi valley
well youre acting like it
vestal jasper
Since you seem to not believe me when I said the async io patch is being completely remade
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/2308
woven otter
tbh by the time you are done fixing the plugin you could've just rewritten it
well I guess there are some parts that could be reusable
void void
I was responding to your first half of the message about rewriting most of the patches every. single. release.
cedar spade
Your plugin is almost undoubtedly much simpler than Paper and certainly less moving dependencies - you don't have to deal with figuring out how obfuscated Mojang code works
void void
Sure some patches are definitely rewritten from scratch
cedar spade
He said the word "rebuilt"
vestal jasper
You screenshot both messages I sent and laughed at them both.
cedar spade
The patches are rebuilt for every release
vestal jasper
Don't backpedal
pulsar wigeon
rebuilding patches is mostly dealing with merge conflicts and changes in mojang code/mappings/etc
void void
They have to be rebuilt, that has nothing to do with development, if you depend on something and the dependency changes you have to rebuild your patches to it
pulsar wigeon
in fact, patches are rebuilt constantly just to keep things spiff
cedar spade
If you write a plugin and Spigot removes a method you were using, does your fix involve development?
quasi valley
Imagine paper having to use and/or edit other nms methods because they change :o
We had the same exact situation a few days ago
woven otter
should you though
void void
I got to work on this rewrite, be back later
cedar spade
k
quasi valley
Good luck with that
cedar spade
let me know when you're done rewriting your insanely complex mission critical plugin that has lots of external dependents you can't easily adapt
essx needs someone to help rewrite it
quasi valley
Does it still work under the same old essentials api? 👀
spiral garden
smh, was doing some monthly maintenance on a remote computer
and the internet there decided it's a good time to die
woven otter
cedar spade
quasi valley
Duck you really want to do that for 1000 more cases? 
woven otter
no but I have to
celest coyote
lack of braincells indeeeeeeed
woven otter
noone judges my code so I have to judge his code
spiral garden
woven otter
F
quasi valley
That was enough for a day again, going to bed before my brain just shoots itself
cedar spade
@quasi valley I was going to prototype a module framework that could hypothetically be used to reimplement a plugin like EssentialsX :p
void void
Reflection.java is not my class
It is used by the ping injector
DuplexHandler, PingInjector, PingReply, and Reflection are all not my classes but I did update them
cedar spade
never got around to it though
woven otter
@cedar spade sounds interesting
cedar spade
oh hey Devon you're the guy who spent an entire evening shitting on Paper and declaring Spigot to be superior over on MOSS
shitting on paper
man I gotta work on my phrasing
woven otter
did he actually 😠
austere ivy
Hello :)
cedar spade
Also kept insisting that users were entitled to support from FOSS developers
void void
Yes and I got banned and since then I have been using paper exclusively after I modified all the plugins that were compatible with spigot but not paper
cedar spade
Oh right you were complaining about EssentialsX not getting issues fixed immediately and insisting the 1.13 branch (which was largely done by that point) was completely unusable while also insulting Trent for no apparent reason
hmm I wonder why several people there got mad at you
I don't think I was around at the time
void void
That was before I really learned about the open source community and the moral behind open source developers in general, I had it stuck in my head at the time from college that if you sell software and claim support you cannot just say no, so I was reiterating that for free software when there is no correlation
woven otter
someone is selling EssentialsX 🤔
cedar spade
you also claimed Spigot-Essentials was basically 1.13 ready
even though they still don't have 1.13 items after an entire year
void void
It was at the time, it worked flawlessly for me on 1.13, but I understand the moral behind actually properly updating a plugin to 1.13 instead of relying on the compatibility layer
cedar spade
We stopped updating items.csv and so Spigot didn't have an items file to steal
void void
Well, I never tested with 1.13 items
void void
That is there so there is a chance that specific block out of the many other blocks in the radius of the explosion is broken based on the block durability
void void
Like I said I wasn't that familiar with the open source space at the time
cedar spade
You seemed to think you were pretty familiar with it
pulsar wigeon
imagine being entitled to literally anything that's free
void void
Because I was hard headed
woven otter
that's just wrong
quasi valley
was?
void void
haha
woven otter
I will keep linking random lines of code
woven otter
I think wiz was right agian
pulsar wigeon
this is golden
People using paper often are required to have their server restart on a regular basis because of memory leaks or crashes, sometimes as soon as every hour.
amazing
[citation needed]
void void
This is already looking much better
woven otter
I wise man once said "sound like lack of braincells"
void void
Then this
woven otter
Link$
pulsar wigeon
why the fuck is 16 hanging
cedar spade
void void
Because I plan to make it a config option
and that will take up a whole line
brb gotta eat
woven otter
tbh static class with 3 static variables look just as bad
quasi valley
And as with last time he just professionally avoids what’s said about him and sends random code snippets
cedar spade
when I saw he said he was banned for MOSS I decided to look for why
pulsar wigeon
pulsar wigeon
MD you're not worthy of a pineapple
pineapples are sacred pizza toppings
you desecrate them with your presence
cedar spade
you didn't say "even if this gets lost in conversation never fucking dare to ping me" :p
quasi valley
What’s with you and pinging being the root of all evil
pulsar wigeon
even if this gets lost in conversation never fucking dare to ping me
cedar spade
@pulsar wigeon k
cedar spade
k
quasi valley
Dont you dare invade his private sphere with a 🏓
cedar spade
your loss, either you miss out on the treasure trove or you waste your time unhiding the messages
oh also he claimed the GDPR doesn't exist if you host your server in the US then proceeded to state his server was geofenced to Canada, the US, Hong Kong and, uh, Germany
woven otter
quasi valley
woven otter
:kennythink:
quasi valley
What he claimed on here was that reusing randoms is WAY to not-random and you have to use something like new Random(UUID.randomUUID()) every time
void void
wiz no offen- but you seem like a real dick-
woven otter
blasphemy
quasi valley
Is your nitro gone? :p
pulsar wigeon
ilearner kindly go fuck yourself
limber knotBOT
hey wizjany
pulsar wigeon
what
limber knotBOT
ping
pulsar wigeon
i said 'kindly' ok
quasi valley
Watch him block the bot
pulsar wigeon
i mean, he didn't actually ping me
he might have highlighted my irc client
but irc clients, unlike discord, are actually configurable
at least, the one i use is
woven otter
@quasi valley yes. I'm waiting for someone to gift it to me
limber knotBOT
who needs configuration
void void
You
quasi valley
Or any settings
void void
Oh yeah. Gotta use secure random for this rewrite
woven otter
at devon
btw if you strictly use paper:
https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.12/com/destroystokyo/paper/event/server/PaperServerListPingEvent.html
well it's spigot
quasi valley
Fair point
void void
I still like having my server spigot compatible so I can use the bleeding edge minecraft releases, yes I know it is not recommended
cedar spade
welcome to Spigot
woven otter
no it's recommended and it was going extra smoothly with 1.14
lone crane
cedar spade
iirc that event was added to the API by the Bukkit team but not implemented until 1.7.10 or 1.8 but don't quote me on that
void void
I have paper events in a separate class and that class is only loaded if the server is paper to maintain support for spigot
I could implement the paper server list event, I might actually do that
woven otter
needs more secure randoms
quasi valley
I’d just emit the legacy spigot listeners... if I weren’t hosting my plugins on spigot 👀
^ And more random uuids as seeds
woven otter
tbh xkcd has a neat method written for getting random number
it's based on the physics of dices
so it's pretty good
void void
Wait I know how to make it use a random uuid as a seed without you guys knowing.. Muhahaha
woven otter
yes and that makes it so much better
woven otter
make sure to use heavy obfuscation as well
quasi valley
And more classes with $ in their name
void void
Not needed
woven otter
but then your code will be readable
void void
It's not $ anymore in this rewrite
woven otter
quasi valley
woven otter
^
quasi valley
If I identify as a piece of bread, then that’s certainly not undefined!
woven otter
I identify as not following code conventions and abusing static and writing unreadable code
austere ivy
o-o
void void
Now that I am moving huge classes into many smaller classes, I am noticing so many 🤦 mistakes like calling Kitpvp.getPlayerKills from the Kitpvp class
woven otter
Lax ❤
void void
I avoid using other plugins whenever possible
woven otter
it's okay other plugins do the same
void void
No, that's not it
cedar spade
other plugins avoid you
void void
I want full control over everything, especially because I don't want marriage in other minigames then survival and minigames are world based
austere ivy
Don’t talk to me or my NoBedExplosions ever again.
woven otter
should just make a fork of SkorrloreGaming for the memes
btw you can simplify feature list in your README by renaming Features to Custom features
austere ivy
In my readme?
woven otter
no brian you're irrelevant I wouldn't talk about you
austere ivy
How do I become relevant?
ancient bolt
my pro strat for testing low TPS
austere ivy
don’t I do that regularly
ancient bolt
void void
austere ivy
what on earth is that Devon
Why are you making a list array
String
Array
For one string????
void void
Because lore is a list not a string
austere ivy
And you’re missing a bracket thingy
woven otter
it's a picture from hell
cedar spade
Why do you have a class called Link$
ancient bolt
because he's calling a method which takes a string array clearly
woven otter
we've been over this MDpineapple
austere ivy
why is there a symbol in the class
void void
Because I haven't rewritten SkorrloreGamingLink yet
ancient bolt
why are you dumb @austere ivy
austere ivy
he could use varargs
ancient bolt
only if the method supports varargs
austere ivy
instead of making a string array with one string
ancient bolt
and using a string array instead isn't bad
ancient bolt
wtf do you think varargs is you dipshit
so what?
varargs compiles to exactly what he has anyways
austere ivy
Whatever I’m just saying it doesn’t look quite nice as source code.
ancient bolt
varargs is a style choice only
austere ivy
Does it compile to that?
woven otter
it's not wrong just verbose
ancient bolt
it compiles exactly to that
austere ivy
Huh
woven otter
it's syntactic sugar @austere ivy
ancient bolt
if your method should take an array instead of varargs (for style reasons, varargs doesn't fit etc) then that's not a problem
void void
setLore does not support varargs
ancient bolt
createLore is the method we're talking about
void void
addLore not createLore
void void
createMaterial doesn't have the string array, it's the addLore method
woven otter
tbh that formatting is weird af
ancient bolt
im going home bye
woven otter
cya
void void
That way quite.. unexpected
woven otter
that line starting with comma is just crime against humanity
olive dagger
void void
I sent the screenshot fully knowing I was going to get shit
I could make my addLore method support varargs if I wanted to but that would require making a whole new update to the SkorrloreGamingLink plugin and changing the version and pushing it to my maven repository and reimporting it on SkorrloreGaming
just for a cosmetic change
not worth it by a long shot
woven otter
tbh that's not the worst part in there
woven otter
idk why your formatting is so weird and how it's even readable for you
austere ivy
A line starting on a comma is really strange
Especially since before that line, the other comma ends on a line.
So not only is it weird, it’s inconsistent.
My two cents.
woven otter
Honestly idk how you can work with your own project(generally curious)
limpid grove
gaunt inlet
woven otter
tehbrian github?
austere ivy
I mean I can’t even decide on ItemBuilder, ItemEditor, ItemModifier, or ItemUtils do you doing anything is further than me
Nah, Brian Pearson (my nemesis) took that.
GitHub: itstehbrian
Or just look at https://TehBrian.xyz
woven otter
Devon do you actually get why we were giving you shit for it
I find that hard to believe but okay
void void
I understand
woven otter
irc never forgets
austere ivy
Duck if you have any suggestions for my tfcplugin repo I’d appreciate it
void void
I want to rewrite that if statement to be two lines and not have brackets, but then my ocd will make me make that change on the several hundred similar methods throughout the project
woven otter
hmm maybe later busy messing with SkorrloreGaming
I find it hard to believe that you have ocd
void void
I could pull out my medical records but I don't see the benefit in me proving myself over such a trivial fact
austere ivy
whatever you do, do not look at video.mp4 in resources on my itstehbrian github io repo, ok?
OCD does not necessarily mean it obsessively clean it just means obsessively compulsive. That can mean even if it’s bad practice it’s compulsive behavior so even if code doesn’t even look good sometimes you just kinda have to do it because it’s obsessively compulsive
woven otter
enough with the phishing attempts 😠
wispy seal
void void
I've overcome most of it but I still can't stand when two methods that do basically the same thing look very different, and I also hate when an if-statement block is a one line block like that
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/1IzU6X4.png
I guess it's appropriate ?
woven otter
you still have Link$ in your code
austere ivy
No symbols in classes