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#general
limber knotBOT
vernal moth
@static badge u not in the mc discord?
worn ember
leaf getting some puss 👀
fallen oracle
There's a mc discord? 👀
worn ember
its literal aids
fallen oracle
Ahh
static badge
ok
fallen oracle
I want a special lounge
celest coyote
okay so mobs don't accumulate fall damage by jumping on boats, only players do
worn ember
was there for a full 20 minutes
celest coyote
so it seems like a client/server desync
static badge
k I'll be there in a minute or 5
worn ember
why leaf tho 🤔 arent there better candidates
elfin wing
celest coyote
because he knows the issues
limber knotBOT
Cause leaf know more about the 1.14 issues and their causes than anyone at mojang
fallen oracle
But does he know that mobs don't accumulate damage by jumping on boats and only players do?
limber knotBOT
Heck, he prolly knows the servers codebase better than mojang
worn ember
i think everyone knows more than mojang does lol
why would you take dmg from jumping on boats?
limber knotBOT
That's no a pressing bug, we only care about deal breakers and hope to get Cory to do a .5
And don't assult the mojang devs like that, they are good ppl
celest coyote
yeah apparently hardcore players have died due to the boat bug
and lost their worlds
celest coyote
the reason I tested on mobs was I was thinking it was a collision issue (it still kinda is) but its actually a client/server issue
fallen oracle
maybe thisll push Cory to do .5
green turret
wanton stone
placid thicket
anybody got a plugin that can nerf or outright disable a spesific pillager outpost? a player lives too close to one and it results in the server dying due to 50 pillagers sitting in a hole next to eachother
pulsar wigeon
/rg define fuckthisoutpost
/rg flag fuckthisoutpost deny-spawn pillager
/rg flag fuckthisoutpost passthrough allow
winter sundial
What's /
fallen oracle
What's
raven brook
I just got the Github Education pack, mainly for the Jetbrains tools, what else from the pack should I check out?
fallen oracle
@pulsar wigeon I use WorldGuard which is /wg and idk what /rg is
Olex, the digital ocean credit isn't bad
pulsar wigeon
wait
were you not joking?
i thought you were being facetious
have you actually made your way through the WG api without ever using WG commands?
summer parrot
Can achievements be deactivated?
fallen oracle
Wiz I am kidding
raven brook
thanks for the digital ocean tip, never heard of that but it looks useful, I'll definitely take a look at it ^^
summer parrot
Can achievements be deactivated?
golden gust
There is no need to spam
fallen oracle
Buddy you just asked that
summer parrot
I can't find the route to disable user achievements, does anyone know if this can be done?
golden gust
iirc there was something in spigot.yml or bukkit.yml to blacklist them
placid thicket
Are you scared of drowning? alone? forgotten?
void void
wat
pulsar wigeon
barty please go breath water instead
you won't have to share air with us
and we'll all be better off
cedar spade
What's WorldGuard
pulsar wigeon
good thing i didn't buy any then
cedar spade
I heard it's like EssentialsX Protect but worse
cedar spade
Good question
limber knotBOT
breath water
void void
"exposed"
upper flicker
acoustic pilot
2 late
vestal jasper
acoustic pilot
wiz nudes all over reddit
void void
@acoustic pilot where?
for science
keen summit
lean cave
sturdy fulcrum
People are haters
void void
barty specifically is a h8r
sturdy fulcrum
I’m in moss too
true fulcrum
pulsar wigeon
yea so clearly it's terrible, is what we've been able to conclude
austere ivy
wiz
what’s your reddit
found it
just kidding no it can’t be that easy.
CAN IT???
no.
His comments have too good of grammar. And he’s being nice??? Doubtful.
fallen oracle
Is there some kind of go-to software to calibrate a monitor and fix it's colors and whatnot?
hot gorge
$200-$300
austere ivy
That’s pretty cheap, no?
hot gorge
Last time I looked
celest coyote
compared to the price of monitors not really
austere ivy
/s yeah no
fallen oracle
I don't need to go that hardcore, I just want to reset it away from the store shelf settings.
austere ivy
At that point get a new monitor.
hot gorge
Cheap is relative to each person lol
austere ivy
Relative to me that’s a quarter/third of a new computer.
hot gorge
Glare, do you have an Xbox One?
fallen oracle
Nope
austere ivy
And I’d appreciate that.
hot gorge
NM then
Xbones have a pretty handy calibration tool for displays
Not perfect, but it's something
brave halo
fallen oracle
Yeah
Idk I'll figure out how to calibrate it
The store changed it for their displays
sturdy fulcrum
I hope u can’t see this
fickle rain
test
vestal jasper
coarse summit
limber knotBOT
Don't be comfy
limber knotBOT
Why are you getting comfy?
coarse summit
yes
limber knotBOT
no
coarse summit
you're just incorrect
limber knotBOT
Yes, and that's why it should stop, its enforcing my incorrect idea
coarse summit
^
void void
What's a good way to prevent commands a user doesn't have access to from showing up in /help?
limber knotBOT
Just don't hide your plugins
if a players does not have access to a command it should not show up in /help
.. if the permission is set in the plugin.yml
but a plugin that replaces the default /help command might be useful, as the default /help is not very clear when you have a lot of commands
void void
Are these like real bots orrr
limber knotBOT
yes, i'm a real bot
void void
Also I don't want to hide my plugins, I just don't want 30 pages of /help
kinda tedious
limber knotBOT
so try a custom help plugin
limber knotBOT
void void
alright i'll try that i guess
ornate gull
limber knotBOT
UwU
zealous wedge
tulip lotus
Damn no one ever told me that minecraft looked so nutty with Shaders
limber knotBOT
Try ray tracing
queen dagger
tulip lotus
I don't have an RTX
tough blaze
void void
coarse summit
rtx lmao
void void
jfc
yesterday i fucked macos up
today i fucked up my desk
moved in new desk, broke it by accident
brother gave me old desk, and i broke that too
but it's slightly more sturdy so im using it
lul
:'(
golden gust
Aren't you a mover? 
brisk gull
golden gust
So, technically, yes
Technically, "I don't wanna say yes because it creates more questions than answers"
void void
i wasnt hired
void void
anyway, i probably should have taken the desk apart first but we didnt
and what do you mean
golden gust
Dragged in 😛
celest coyote
hes so bad he cant get hired at his own family company rip
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r i p
golden gust
r i p
void void
D:
merry talon
moving sounds like an awful awful job
static badge
r i p
celest coyote
what how is it a bad job
celest coyote
just cause its manual labour doesn't mean its a bad job
static badge
ur manual labour
celest coyote
thanks
void void
i think i said before but we're in a good position, as we have a contract with the local military base
the airmen still have a choice, but if they go with us the whole move is on the gov
we get the money from mr fed
win win
merry talon
manual labour is shit tier
static badge
ur actual shit tier
void void
until they don't
static badge
sweepy is a fucking bot
void void
We actually have a competitor for a short time that was an automated warehouse
But it died
had*
And it wasn't very efficient storage
merry talon
i hope u die
merry zealot
I know this is really off-topic but here goes anyway...
Hey guys, I'm trying to set up some virtual MIDI throughput devices but I'm having trouble using my general ContinuousController knob on my Akai MPD218 mirrored,
while turning the knob I am able to throughput a set +1 value change but when I turn the knob the other way, the action remains the exact same.
meaning I would only keep increasing my mixer volume constantly (regardless of knob direction)
How could I go about setting different actions depending on knob direction?
(using loopMIDI for virtual MIDI throughputs, MidiKey2Key for MIDI Mapping and voicemeeter to receive the mapped midi throughputs)
(I have to use a throughput because I want to use the same midi device for MidiKey2Key - OBS Scene switching - and Voicemeeter - Audio levels)
limber knotBOT
Virtual ....
merry zealot
😔
limber knotBOT
Tea, the dumcordians don't know that chat is for chat
merry zealot
ok ouch
limber knotBOT
*huggles RoboMWM *
merry zealot
there's no "#\general-support" 😦
merry zealot
oh
limber knotBOT
fortunately it gets pastebinned over here
merry zealot
F
my apologies
I could separate it into loads of different messages but usually people scold me for that
azure patio
Sexy Atom Icon
static badge
using anything but notepad unironically
merry zealot
psh
limber knotBOT
1903, so for a few months prolly
or earlier
I can't recall
1809 maybe, it ain't on 1803
I hate how they stripped out some cortana features in 1903
search and cortana are separated so I can't type in a reminder to cortana (e.g. I type in "remind me to blah blah when I get to blah blah" or "set an alarm in 20 minutes")
I also can't train it to learn my voice to respond to only me on hey cortana
cosmic raft
using the search bar
azure patio
It's pretty
void void
no
void void
no
azure patio
K
limber knotBOT
electron for a text editor
merry zealot
using the
>character without a space so it doesn't markdown it as a quote
limber knotBOT
Cortana's useful, indispensable for quick-to-set reminders, especially when I can just type out what I want it to remind me about and it figures out the time/location and everything for me
void void
i just need a few more sips of water and i'll have reached my gallon goal
limber knotBOT
also does a couple other nice new things like read unread email
golden gust
Already on it
void void
yes
limber knotBOT
Windows did it so ya they gonna follow
golden gust
wut
limber knotBOT
"ipad pro"
golden gust
On mojave?
void void
yea i think so
void void
not sure o.o
it doesn't work for me unless i open the macbook up
idk
i dont use siri anyway
wtf was that symbol and how tf
celest coyote
¬ø¬
void void
:(
celest coyote
osx has really nice alt characters but everyone always uses them accidentally …
void void
yeah because they fire when you hold a key too long
celest coyote
hold down alt and type
celest coyote
†˙ˆß ˆß †ø†å¬¬¥ µ´ ∑˙´˜ ˆ †¥π´
cosmic raft
lol
void void
however, I don't like how I can't spam a by holding it down
it brings up the alt chars
-.-
interesting tho, so that's how that random symbol occurred
was holding alt apparently
merry zealot
♪
void void
º_º
merry zealot
E
void void
º-º
cosmic raft
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azure patio
celest coyote
™
void void
lel
cosmic raft
you want to see a picture of a noob?
void void
anyone remember runescape days and \//\//(0)(0)T
thanks discord for removing my intentional backslash
u shit
void void
:(
jaunty oriole
oof
cosmic raft
hehe
you're the one who brought up runescape @void void
and what did everyone call each other in runescape?
noobs
void void
true
void void
:(
limber knotBOT
hi RoboMWM
how are you today
what is new
what have you done lately
what are you doing tomorrow
i did sum plogen updates
pls download and gib me monies
i plan 2 wake up tomorrow
we will see
maybe you will wake up today instead
!
o kewl
how many times have u woken up in the past decade
at least 3
austere ivy
wrong discord don't click it thanks
azure patio
nice video
merry talon
simple is definitely the person to have 85 in all combat stats but like 4 in other skills
merry talon
void void
some people on that game are way too into it though
i play for fun, and im in a clan because i joined one when clans came out and never left
and every time i get on, people are like "simple why are you NOT at X place doing Y? you're so FUCKING stupid if you don't. it's free XP in Z skill."
and im like "bitch im here to do what i want to do motherfucker get off my dick"
merry zealot
heh
void void
I just listened to the original soundtrack of minecraft and felt the biggest rush of nostaliga
golden gust
Swearing ain't allowed?
vestal jasper
what the fuck
golden gust
Well, shit, am fucked
void void
what the fuck since when
quick gust
fuck no
jaunty oriole
buildup, climax, and conclusion all at once
unreal tide
ok thats fucking good
golden gust
I'll take "night at breadmans" for 200
celest coyote
as long as you swear at everyone its allowed
void void
this desk is going to ruin my goddamn l ife, i've hit my knee 455353543 times in the past hour
unreal tide
alright
celest coyote
no discrimination
golden gust
GG
unreal tide
hey
golden gust
Guy tells us about his families moving business yet breaks 2 tables in a single day
gg
golden gust
java -jar paper.jar
jaunty oriole
a what now
golden gust
.flags
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
golden gust
You don't need need them, but you generally wanna set em
unreal tide
aight
void void
you can run java with just java
unreal tide
ok
void void
anything else is optional config (but recommended)
hence the link sent by .flags
i watched a video on how 2 make a pretty house so ima try it
(on mc :\ i can't do anything IRL for shit)
jaunty oriole
tell us how it went
golden gust
goes to make a mud hut themed spawn
golden gust
In the theme of being behind on stuff, I watched golden time this weekend \o/
cosmic raft
This video contains content from AltraModaMusic, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.
fuck you too
meanwhile
exact same song
same studio/whatever
works
just a different video
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Sonique - It Feels So Good (Official Video) - length 3m 39s - 33,360 likes, 938 dislikes (97.3%) - 2,594,918 views - Altra Moda Music on 2018.11.08
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Sonique - It Feels So Good - length 3m 47s - 67,817 likes, 2,344 dislikes (96.7%) - 11,387,020 views - seriousrecordsuk on 2010.03.31
cosmic raft
@void void https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2djx83-4XNQ
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) "Danny Phantom" Theme Song (HQ) | Episode Opening Credits | Nick Animation - length 1m 8s - 111,786 likes, 1,822 dislikes (98.4%) - 10,402,737 views - Nick Animation on 2016.05.26
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Kim Possible - Full Theme Song [HQ] - length 2m 38s - 12,107 likes, 276 dislikes (97.8%) - 1,470,231 views - NostalgicThemes on 2012.10.27
golden gust
suuprrriiiissseee 🎉
jaunty oriole
just build a starter dirt hut and call it a day 
void void
i have a house its just a typical rectangle with a roof
i watched a video about adding random ad hoc rectangles around the base and using that as ways to extend the roof and make it less monolithic
but im shit at it unless i go watch the video and follow along
which am not gon do
2 lazy
golden gust
Simples brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsy7kJyizoc
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Sam and the Womp | Bom Bom (Official Video) - length 2m 56s - 163,283 likes, 25,545 dislikes (86.5%) - 35,278,374 views - Sam and the Womp on 2012.08.03
void void
accurate
void void
did you guys hear what happened to 8chan lol
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.g 8chan
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/technology/8chan-shooting-manifesto.html -- 'Shut the Site Down,' Says the Creator of 8chan, a...: "1 day ago ... In recent months, 8chan has become a go-to resource for violent extremists. At least three mass shootings this year — including the..."
vestal jasper
didn't cloudflare just drop them
void void
Yeah CF dropped em
vestal jasper
because muh morals
void void
So Canadian company BitMitigate offers to take em in
They accept
Turns out BitMitigate rented all their servers from Voxility
and Voxility banned BitMitigate
So 8chan is down again
vestal jasper
void void
"BitMitigate" this "CF competitor"
Rented their servers and got banned
So ALL their clients are down
Not just 8chan
BitMitigate effectively got yeeted out of existence. Their entire infrastructure is gone.
Hope they took backups. 😂
austere ivy
Lol
summer parrot
WARN]: Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 5016ms or 100 ticks behind
Anyone know how I can solve that warning?
vestal jasper
stop having your server lag
void void
Ah, also
The Daily Stormer was hosted there too
so it's down as well
Lots of hate sites were hosted there
All down
void void
I just love that this cf competitor got fucked so hard
limber knotBOT
wut's happenin
austere ivy
what?
vestal jasper
no
limber knotBOT
ppl supporting cf censorship?
void void
im not supporting it, im just laughing that bitmitigate got fucked
if you're gonna offer to take on something that hot, better have control of your systems
how could they take 8chan and fucking have their servers not on premise
how
limber knotBOT
Cloudflare needs competition
void void
sure, and they were all good in my eyes
until they rented their servers
they can't offer to stay up when they just get shut down because they broke the terms of THEIR host
lol
merry zealot
how would you describe spigot vs paper
a minecraft server type? a server protocol? version?
void void
a fork.
quick gust
simple werent u talking about how u knew everything earlier or something
merry zealot
dang are you not able to use placeholders in bitsadmin?
void void
wat?
quick gust
cause theres a isp called epik that buys transit from multiple providers one of them being voxility
they simply stopped peering with them
void void
yes epik owns voxility
quick gust
trolling right
void void
no
void void
epik owns voxility lol
quick gust
w.e if ur just gonna troll i wont try
quick gust
idk if ur being serious or not LOL
literally cant tell
cause ur saying epik owns vox
like is that some 200iq meme
void void
Oh yea I read that shit backwards
Yeah so I was misquoting that entire story earlier y'all
Am retard
quick gust
well at least you can concede you were wrong
void void
I have no problem doing that when I'm actually wrong lol
quick gust
you see epiks site?
void void
quick gust
they sell budget servers for hundreds of dollars
its clear what their business plan is
void void
From what I read their business statement is something like "providing neutral servers that don't terminate arbitrarily based on political or social pressure"
lol
that's not w4w, just memory
quick gust
ive been watching this cause its really interesting to see who will host them
im guessing novagora / blazingfast / some russian shit
in that order
void void
yeah I'm guessing they will be moving either to ukraine or russia
fallen oracle
Does anyone here have an LG monitor? It keeps showing up at Generic PnP Monitor even after I installed the supposed drivers for it.
void void
i have 3
fallen oracle
I'm currently forced to disconnect my main monitor so I can watch 4k netflix on my new monitor.
void void
what video card u got
fallen oracle
- I unplugged my main monitor and 4k worked
void void
:L
fallen oracle
But when I plug it back in, it's stuck on HD
And I think it's cause the drivers aren't installing for the new monitor
So it can't properly tell I'm using that one
void void
have you rebooted?
merry zealot
why is or if so janky in cmd?
fallen oracle
Yeah I've rebooted
Just rebooted again just to make sure but yeah it's still saying Generic PnP
OH FUCK YEAH
IM A GOD
void void
merry zealot
-1 yike?
fallen oracle
More like I know how to read tomshardware
I did a manual install
Vs running the setup
Time to see if it worked
ocean ether
void void
these days, that's a lot more than some can say
fallen oracle
Dammit
void void
sadly :(
true fulcrum
burnt cypress
glass shard
hot gorge
Glare, did you try a different cable perhaps?
I don't know what time zone you are so I won't ping you
void void
@fallen oracle wake yo ass up
void void
hot gorge
Oh well. Off to bed. PM or @ me if you think I can help. Seems like the cable isn't doing a proper handshake between the card and the display if it's not displaying the correct resolutions
fallen oracle
WHAT DO YOU PROPLE SNST
Oh
Yeah I did HDMI and Display Port
It's literally just cause I have my main monitor still connected
If I disconnect it, 4k shows up as an option
@hot gorge @hot gorge @void void
@void void @void void @void void @void void @void void
void void
mossy nebula
wooden blade
Glare, do you have your monitors set to extend or duplicate? Also, if you open up the display settings, what happens if you just tell your system to display only on your 4k monitor? (Instead of unplugging your main display)
merry talon
why would you ever duplicate
wooden blade
I'm not suggesting you should, but I would expect that type of behavior. At least as a possibility
merry talon
what's your issue here?
wooden blade
Just responding to that conversation? ^
At the very least he should be able to toggle the one monitor off, via the display preferences, instead of yanking out the hdmi cable.
buoyant crater
void void
that was weird af :x
was using pc nbd then out of nowhere it just dies
was plugged into power adapter too
:(
,s/to/too for irc
wooden blade
Is it still dead? or were you able to restart it?
void void
i took it off the dock it was on and plugged it into the regular charger for an hour and a half and its ok
however its discharging atm
even though plugged in
i think it might be chrome :^)
but firefox is dead for macOS catalina atm
limber knotBOT
hi
limber knotBOT
Hey, I have a really big problem, I can't write MSG to people. I tested a paper with no plugins and then I could MSG, but when I run with all plugins MSG does not work. Also tried turning off the chat plugin, but it didn't help. Suggestions?
Did you go through it one by one and see what plugins causes it?
If not, I would suggest that
Go through the plugins, one-by-one adding more on and see if what plugin added causes it.
Then test if just that plugin alone causes it, as it could just be poor interaction with another plugin you have
Figure out if you are following the stetup properly for the plugin, if not, do that. If you are and the problems persist replace it.
void void
Because I wanted to check it out, but I literally can't roll back
I tried and everything went fucky
Cat had to help me lol
limber knotBOT
Did you not check reddit first?
limber knotBOT
Did you not make a backup first?
void void
thought I did but when i went to roll back all i had were catalina backups in time machine
limber knotBOT
You should be able to roll it back, it separates the user volume from the system
void void
so yea im stuck
limber knotBOT
You can simply target the system volume and reinstall macOS on that
then remount the user volume
void void
I get cryptic errors.
-1008 and -2002
can't find any info
whatsoever
ima reset my smc this discharging is kinda bothering me
wooden blade
I'd use firefox long before I'd use safari
wooden blade
well, just in general. I understand that he's on a beta of catalina
limber knotBOT
Which is draining their battery
And what's wrong with safari for general browsing?
wooden blade
Only when it's on the dock? or only when using chrome?
limber knotBOT
Even in the dock
wooden blade
I use a variety of devices myself, not just a mac. I prefer the synchronization with google. I've had nothing but problems synchronizing tabs in Safari
limber knotBOT
I normally use safari for browsing, way better battery life
void void
aaaand now "battery is not charging"
wooden blade
because iCloud is unstable when it comes to that, at least I've had an issue with it on the Mac.
void void
this is cute
limber knotBOT
I've never had that problem, interesting
I never really use the sync features though
wooden blade
Despite having Apple support remote it, it just seems to continually happen. At least on one of my mbp
wooden blade
Yeah, they tell you to disable icloud synch on your devices and computers and re-enable it, and it's just a huge headache.
limber knotBOT
It could be failing to handoff sometimes and I wouldn't know it since I have only used it like
4x or so over the years..
wooden blade
Later simple
void void
we'll see what happens
wooden blade
could flush the parameter ram?
limber knotBOT
Its 5am here, no idea why I'm up
wooden blade
Caffeinated tea?
wooden blade
Well, I find trying to process something highly complicated tends to just mentally exhaust you to the point you fall asleep. Sometimes, anyway
limber knotBOT
It tends to make me stay up until I manage to accomplish it
void void
pram did nothing, apparently tho overheating disconnects the battery to protect it
so ima let it sit overnight, off
see if that does anything whatsoever
night
limber knotBOT
poor simple
Learned a valuable lesson the hardware, don't install betas on your daily drivers, epically one with a lot of breaking changes.
So glad sitter has an IRC relay
wooden blade
I think the general recommendation, if you're going to futz around with a beta OS, is to make a backup. But I can understand the reluctance.
If I'm just going to test it out, then I'd probably install to a separate partition or use a vm, if possible.
celest coyote
I got my first PR on my plugin
wooden blade
what's your plugin called?
celest coyote
DistributedMobSpawns
wooden blade
ah nice, I kind of hacked something together for 1.13. I'll have to look at it again now that I'm about to switch to 1.14 on my live server.
Seemed like once one person was getting the spawns, they just tend to gravitate to that player.
wooden blade
Unless I'd go butcher them all, one afk player was basically hogging all the spawns.
celest coyote
wooden blade
Nice, I think I saw that while I was still subscribed to the repo updates
Was flooding my inbox way too much
celest coyote
lol, it went through quite a few changes
a few people are testing it right now, it just needs a final review
wooden blade
well, literally every update, pr, change, issue was coming to my inbox 😛
celest coyote
yeah thats how it works if you don't change settings
wooden blade
Well, I was just watching everything in the repo; wasn't looking at one specific PR
celest coyote
oh you subscribed to everything in the repo?
wooden blade
Yeah
celest coyote
why? we kinda have #paper-github for that
wooden blade
Yeah, I know, but I disable most of the notifications in discord, because it's also equally annoying.
So I just glance in that channel now
Anyway, I need to just give up for the night in trying to fix my armor stand/leaderboards. It's about fixed.
Just have to figure out why the existing ones aren't being removed properly, when I create a replacement with an updated value.
void void
yea my players complain there aint mobs
celest coyote
99% chance there are but they are all in some deep dark caves
limber knotBOT
what does this mean? 12:09:01 INFO]: [Essentials] roxer01 was denied access to command. <-- when i try to MSG
void void
player has no permission for said command
limber knotBOT
ok
ashen barn
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silent shoal
peak dirge
Flipped from heavy metal to Taylor Swift.
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taylor swift in general is a bad idea
peak dirge
I like tacos doe
jaunty bolt
hey @celest coyote do you have a built paper.jar based on #2308? would love to try out the PR but don't want to lose the async chunk loading when doing so
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limber knotBOT
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celest coyote
Async chunkloading patch conflicts with it
jaunty bolt
oh shoot
celest coyote
Someone had a build that had both though
electroniccat more
jaunty bolt
oak bobcat
Hey guys!
When optimizing docker containers for running servers in,
what are the minimum resource requirements you recommend for a stable paper server (5 Slots, 0 Plugins)?
The resources are: CPU, Memory and Storage
celest coyote
@cunning raft can you post the custom build with async and per player mob spawn patches if you got it?
I would recommend 4gb ram, a current gen cpu (doesnt really matter what specific cpu) and likr atleast 10 gigs of space but you prob want like 50gb for backups and stuff
peak dirge
@oak bobcat It's hard to tune Docker to work well with any Java application. Plan to double the amount of memory you plan to allocate to the container (or disable OOM killer in the container if you're feeling risky). Minecraft is mostly single-threaded, but it's gotten more multi-threaded as of late, so assign more CPU cores than usual. As for storage, that depends on your server setup.
acoustic pilot
If you aren't constraining your Docker container, tuning your server is no different than on bare metal.
This only applies if you are actually applying resource limitations to your container.
oak bobcat
Actually it is for hosting multiple Minecraft servers in a kubernets cluster. @celest coyote 4gb ram an 10 gigs storage seems a bit to much
celest coyote
Welcome to 1.14
peak dirge
If we're talking 5 slots and a relatively small world, then 1GB for the container and 512MB for the server should work.
In theory, at least.
celest coyote
You could try it but 1.14 memory requirements are really high
Mostly due to streams
peak dirge
In practice... well, 1.13+ really eat resources and you should probably double that. So 2GB container and 1GB for the server.
celest coyote
They hit gc really hard
oak bobcat
@acoustic pilot yes I meant the minimum resource limits
acoustic pilot
It's the same as bare metal.
None of this being talked about applies if you aren't setting a memlimit on your container.
celest coyote
You asked for recommended not bare min
peak dirge
You may want to consider OpenJ9, since it's Docker-friendly. Some pointers: https://steinborn.me/posts/tuning-minecraft-openj9/
oak bobcat
@celest coyote is asked for minimum resource requirements
peak dirge
My network also runs on a managed Kubernetes solution, so we've had to do some work to make things work.
oak bobcat
thx @peak dirge
acoustic pilot
@oak bobcat The resource requirements for running a Minecraft server in a Docker container are almost exactly the same as bare metal.
peak dirge
Although, let's be honest: we're still running Minecraft 1.12.2
acoustic pilot
The advice being offered to you only applies when you are restricting the usable memory of your container.
If you are not doing so, tuning it is no different than if you weren't using Docker.
peak dirge
We're planning to update to 1.15, but I'm not optimistic. We'll probably stay on 1.12.2 forever even as we add support for newer versions of Minecraft.
oak bobcat
Well I just wanted know what you recommend for a paper server. Of cause I have to add some resources for the OS of the container 😃
acoustic pilot
Yes, that is the only consideration
So your question is not that related to Docker, really
Since the requirements are the same
Ideally you're using an optimized OS image that has practically zero container overhead
oak bobcat
will be using a openjdk:11.0.3-jre-slim-stretch
peak dirge
I would strongly consider OpenJ9
oak bobcat
oh ill look into it
peak dirge
But HotSpot has decent Docker support now, at least
acoustic pilot
It's a big leap, worth noting that OpenJ9 is not HotSpot
And right now we've established that Docker isn't really relevant in this scenario
Since resource limitations don't apply
tulip lotus
What does the star mean next to the plugin
peak dirge
Fair enough
@tulip lotus The plugin was created for a previous (<=1.12.2) version of Minecraft and the server did some magic to make it work on 1.13+
oak bobcat
@peak dirge in quick terms, what can OpenJ9 do better? 😃 👌
acoustic pilot
Faster startup, lower memory footprint
peak dirge
It's much better tuned for container environments (i.e. Docker)
tulip lotus
Though for holograms i get an error that it couldn't spawn in the hologram
acoustic pilot
It's really good for memory
Though pretty sure faster startup only really applies with class sharing
peak dirge
That would be because the plugin was not designed for your version of Minecraft and you should probably update.
tulip lotus
Alright thanks, will check it out
peak dirge
Fast startup applies even outside of class sharing
Although class sharing definitely makes the startup a lot faster
oak bobcat
is it just replaceable?
acoustic pilot
For the most part, yes
99% just a drop-in, some internal APIs will be different
but it's not a practical concern
mostly things like management-related stuff like MXBeans
i guess internal is the wrong word
peak dirge
I have a tuning guide: https://steinborn.me/posts/tuning-minecraft-openj9/
oak bobcat
thx
acoustic pilot
Zulu and Corretto seem like interesting HotSpot implementations too, saw some benchmarks showing they are possibly more efficient on memory management, maybe they have better VM defaults
(more efficient than other HotSpot implementations)
tulip lotus
Same as b4
acoustic pilot
even though they are just mostly unmodified OpenJDK forks, something significant must've been changed 😛
void void
recently, did spigot break some inventory related stuff?
oak bobcat
ok
pulsar wigeon
"HotSpot implementations"?
hotspot is the implementation
are they forks, or JVM implementations?
celest coyote
@void void #announcements update your plugins
celest coyote
?havent heard anything about that
golden gust
We've not touched anything recently
People have been complaining about issues like that for a good while
void void
ya i tht it was related to spigots changes in inventory stuff
golden gust
Nope
limber anchor
void void
welcome
oak bobcat
can paper run on java jre 11 and above?
limber knotBOT
yes
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yes
oak bobcat
and on alpine too? if that is even a matter?
acoustic pilot
Some plugins might have issue with 11
For maximum compatibility, 8 is recommended
Paper itself is totally fine with 11 though
On Alpine, you would want to ensure you're running in an environment with glibc, probably
oak bobcat
doesn't plugins that use java 9 features like var need jre 9 or above?
acoustic pilot
Alpine, by default, ships with muslc
The vast majority of plugins target Java 8
Like 99%
This is part of why you may run into compatibility issues with using Java 11
cunning raft
@celest coyote my build has paperd and hopper patches on it and is not based on the latest commit is that okay?
acoustic pilot
Since most plugins target Java 8 and some might rely on certain implementation details
oak bobcat
and isn't java just since version 9 container aware? or is openj9-jre8 fix this "container aware" ploblem?
acoustic pilot
To you, what is "container aware?"
oak bobcat
that e.g. the JVM doesnt use more memory as limited by docker container
acoustic pilot
Are you actually limiting the memory of your container?
oak bobcat
yes
acoustic pilot
HotSpot 8 has cgroup support but it's not enabled by default.
And
It doesn't matter as long as you're setting a -Xmx
Granted, you do have to account for the JVM overhead
When setting a heap size against your container's memory limit.
This doesn't change whether you're using Java 8 or Java 9, or 11.
oak bobcat
thinking of using https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-docker/blob/master/11/jre/alpine/Dockerfile.openj9.releases.full as base image and tuning following https://steinborn.me/posts/tuning-minecraft-openj9/
acoustic pilot
OpenJ9 has a low JVM memory footprint which means you can more reliably predict heap size vs container limit
It's probably good, but it's not HotSpot, but seems like most plugins work fine.
oak bobcat
OpenJ9 vs HostSpot... ?
worldly mist
acoustic pilot
Completely different JVM implementations.
peak dirge
My network switched and there were very, very few issues when we did so.
acoustic pilot
Regardless of which you use, you'll want to make sure you leave enough in your container's limit for JVM overhead, and you'll want to be in a glibc container environment.
peak dirge
That Alpine image does set up a glibc environment
oak bobcat
yes
peak dirge
There's a glibc build for Alpine Linux
oak bobcat
@peak dirge what image do you/mineteria use?
peak dirge
adoptopenjdk/openjdk11-openj9:alpine-jre... so, the image you're using.
oak bobcat
oh nice
do you have sidecontainers next to the minecraft server container for doing something or init containers?
peak dirge
There is also a Go binary that handles server start up and a few other things (as our entry point), but that's it.
tardy lynx
I use Java 11
peak dirge
We don't rely on any init containers. We have one that sleeps for five seconds, but it's to work around an annoying restriction of DOKS.
golden gust
Yea, java 11 has been fine here
I could probably do with fixing that java 11 > run on 8 issue
oak bobcat
DOKS?
peak dirge
DigitalOcean Kubernetes
acoustic pilot
A wrapper image based on whatever base JDK image should be fairly simple, really just a shell script that does exec java -jar ... to ensure PID 1 of the java process, and also STOPSIGNAL SIGINT to ensure Docker stop commands send the correct signal to the process for graceful shutdown.
peak dirge
Aside from the Go bootstrap binary we use to launch the server and provide a console, our container setup is pretty plain
celest coyote
@cunning raft i dont think people would mind as long as its stable ish
oak bobcat
@peak dirge I guess I should use a jre image not jdk since i wont going to compile code in this containers?
peak dirge
correct
oak bobcat
@peak dirge and why do you decided to use openj9 over hotspot? you already made the tuning flags?
peak dirge
you should read my post
oak bobcat
done
limber knotBOT
<Tux> Aside from the Go bootstrap binary we use to launch the server and provide a console, our container setup is pretty plain <--- considered replacing that with paperd?
peak dirge
did you get the answer?
oak bobcat
oh ok the -Xtune:virtualized flag
peak dirge
paperd won't work for us due to the peculiarities of our setup.
limber knotBOT
ah k, but I guess your wrapper does kinda the same?
peak dirge
yes
oak bobcat
As of now in my pod there is the mc container and the sidecar container which is starting the mc server over ssh in the mc container.
I'm using this way since I want to isolate both processes, the "controller" in the sidecar and mc
Would there be a better way doing this architecture?
limber knotBOT
not sure if its worth splitting them
I dont
I use paperd (https://github.com/PaperMC/paperd, not yet merged into paper, I did it manually), to start the mc server in my docker container
and then interact via dockers api with paperd
(i basically attach a bash console and execute paperd commands)
acoustic pilot
i just have some servers in a docker-compose.yml, each as a PID 1 java process, and a tmux script which sets up a multi-window thing to manage each instance lol
the complexity of your setup should really depend on what kind of server you're running and how big you are atm
otherwise you waste too much time trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist :p
limber knotBOT
I use paperd because I want to expose that to a web panel so that staff that has no ssh access can do select stuff with the servers
shell rover
limber knotBOT
and because its a cool pet project, lol
peak dirge
Should note: our bootstrap daemon was a thing before paperd.... and we're currently putting a premium on stability
oak bobcat
the complexity of your setup should really depend on what kind of server you're running and how big you are atm - it is that big of a project
peak dirge
then why run an SSH server in your container? sounds like a waste of time
limber knotBOT
Some do that for sftp
peak dirge
not to mention, SSH is truly overkill and (depending on whom you ask) violates the Docker philosophy
Personally, if you need something to control the server process, put that in with the container that runs the server, since you want easy stdin/stdout/stderr access the
oak bobcat
was thnking this to before i startet coding with ssh
peak dirge
something that's low overhead like Go or Rust would be a good language to write it in
oak bobcat
sure but how about isolating mc and controller resources?
peak dirge
how complex does your controller have to be?
oak bobcat
pritty
peak dirge
I suggest you take a moment and write down what exactly you need the controller to do.
then make a sound architectural decision
if your controller is managing more than one server or something, better re-evaluate your current design
oak bobcat
streaming logs to internal grpc api, start,stop,restart mc, install plugins, provide filebrowser
peak dirge
We do some of those things already and we do it in a single container.
oak bobcat
no the sidecar is managing exactly one Server container
well since it is for a hosting platform I have to isolate resource usage/limit... so a User could not slow down the controller
peak dirge
So you don't really need a sidecar, unless your controller uses a lot of resources or you're pedantic.
Ah, I see. You could've told me that earlier.
oak bobcat
:)
peak dirge
Then a sidecar is a valid approach.
alpine kiln
peak dirge
Anyway, I gotta start getting ready to go.
oak bobcat
also thinking of using a unix socket file and mount it on both containers
okey
...for bash communication
strange dove
limber knotBOT
God dammit @electroniccat, police found some of your stupid bombs on a playground 1km away from my home
And I just got home
But it looks like I am out of the evacuation radius
My whole street is full of RVs tho 😂
jaunty bolt
oh shit
pulsar wigeon
wtf is going on there
limber knotBOT
If the Brits would have build better bombs D-Day wouldn't have been needed 😂😂
pulsar wigeon
what are "RVs" in this context?
pulsar wigeon
oic
thought it was some fancy high class brit term for the bomb squad or something idk
acoustic pilot
my guess would've been riot van lol
limber knotBOT
I thought RV was like rescue vehicle or smth, but it's just a caravan
Is there an abbreviation for ambulance cars?
I wonder what will happen if I walk over and ask them to move out of the way since they are blocking my car 😂
golden gust
gg
Enjoy
I mean, gotta admit
How old are they? And they're still scaring the shit outta people, I'd say that worked fine
limber knotBOT
The evacuated 500 meter around it
wide hazel
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heady spear
hallo am collecting money for emergency relief plz paypal me 😃 thx have a great dey
hot gorge
Anyone know of a good mod to show a radius around you? I've looked at a few but they all seem like they haven't been updated in ages
hot gorge
Just use /fill right?
sand vale
Sure, if you want to fill the world with stuff.
hot gorge
It was a joke
heady spear
wiz doesn't know what those are
hot gorge
I'm aware
sand vale
Anyone know of a good stand alone windows program to check server status, similar to what's in the client? I just really don't want to keep a client open all the time, but need to keep an eye on servers
hot gorge
rcon won't work?
sand vale
There's one for android, all it does it occasionally queries the server to see if it's online, and how many people are on it
hot gorge
Yeah I had that too. Was trash