I'll rename u
#general
limber knotBOT
void void
:(
frigid nebula
isSimpleable
limber knotBOT
there it is
.kill \^-^
(simpleauthority) I can't attack that.
if (isSimpleable) shitOn();
wtf bitch
.kill ^-^
(simpleauthority) I can't attack that.
please. You can't touch this.
WHAT THE FUCK BITCH
.kill simpleauthority
crushes simpleauthority with a huge spiked rock.
(^-^) MC Hammer - U Can't Touch This (Official Video) - length 4m 38s - 2,119,076 likes, 87,092 dislikes (96.1%) - 490,143,175 views - MCHammerVevo on 2009.02.24
.kill ~MagmaGuy|3@SpigotMC-5khamk.rev.vodafone.pt
(simpleauthority) I can't attack that.
this is a nick
you can't touch
.kill MagmaGuy
gags and ties MagmaGuy then throws them off a mountain to their death.
my my my my shitposting hits you
so hard
placid thicket
Paper staff in a nutshell https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/c53485/they_also_appear_in_order/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
limber knotBOT
makes you say, fuck this bot
frigid nebula
segfaults are always the most fun to track down...especially when it's a loop/memory intensive program and valgrind slows it to a c r a w l
novel mortar
But is it stable?
placid thicket
It's day 0, so far a map(item) corruption issue and a memory leak have been fixed, but give it time
spiral garden
god bless verizon
they broke half the internet and they didn't even move their finger
fuckers
void void
#108 tho
brazen gulch
tranquil bone
Why do people have (1.14.2) in their name
void void
honestly i think it's retarded but they're just communicating what version they are running
tranquil bone
modest stream
Does papermc support 1.14?
tranquil bone
Bobcycle (19)
void void
yes...
modest stream
Does most spigot plugins work for spigot to?
void void
if you're still on 1.13.x, upgrade at your own risk and take backups so you can rollback if you so desire
yes
void void
a la mojang, yes
limber knotBOT
classic
void void
if you're talking 1.14 day 0
limber knotBOT
endearing even
tranquil bone
I mean .3, don't mean to be smart if that is what you meant, simple
void void
just 2 things so far
but bugs are always gonna be around, it's a matter of how quickly and aptly users report it so it can be fixed
tranquil bone
Mmmm, I've been scrolling through the chat to see what's broken
Can't get a clear picture
void void
You can look at the open github issues
To know of currently known issues
Unknown issues, we can't do anything about
Because we don't know about them
Until we do, then we don't know. Simply :p
void void
Issues in github that aren't marked with the red bug are just reports from users btw
Not necessarily something you will encounter
tranquil bone
void void
yellow upstream means mojang problem
tranquil bone
Got to say I don't see a single bug? Haha
void void
or spigot problem
tranquil bone
Except upstream, yeah
void void
I see one 6 down
tranquil bone
I mean a bug in 1.14.3, sorry
void void
well if it's open and marked bug, then it's still in there
only when it's closed is it resolved
tranquil bone
That makes sense
void void
but yeah if you read the issue and they're talking about something like 1.12.2 you're probably ok ish
it really depends
If you do get an issue, then make a github issue and someone will reply. It's pretty reactive as we have a discord channel notifying us of github activity
tranquil bone
Dang, there are not a lot of issues for the complaining people do in #paper-dev
void void
Yeah, welcome to open source
Lots of users who complain and then don't meet us half way
So we forget about it and move on with our lives
If you report it, you can expect help
tranquil bone
Will do next time, this is good to know
I want to upgrade but they say that EssentialsX isn't compatible with .3
cerulean thicket
void void
"Not work" is way too wide open. It's usually just things like spigot changing the api slightly or something, and are quick fixes
void void
That's another way users don't meet us half way. They just say things like "it's not working!!!1"
tranquil bone
Can't find out why though haha
tranquil bone
Yeah, I understand your frustration
void void
Some people do downgrade and wait for bugfixes. A minor version downgrade should be possible as per semver
Major.Minor.Bugfix
Major = api breaking = absolutely no downgrading
Minor = api reverse compatible but internals probably changed = probably no downgrading
Bugfix = a bug was fixed, you can probably still downgrade
The reason for no downgrading between 1.13.x <-> 1.14.x is the world format changed
1.13 has no idea how to read a 1.14 world
and vice versa
tranquil bone
Aaahh
Now a lot has changed in 1.14.3 mechanically, so you cant downgrade to 1.14.2
void void
Did they say you can't go from .3 to .2?
fervent quartz
tidal berry
sly cloud
Wait has performance improved with 1.14.3?
tranquil bone
Yeah Simple, electro said that you can't
Not sure Jonathan, I'm trying to find out too but there are people in #paper-help which are complaining but not really stating the reason why haha
sly cloud
My server population of 20 would be happy if they can play tgt again without lagging out the whole server
void void
Huh interesting, I'm not sure what changed. I wish Mojang would follow semantic versioning, as if they did then what I said about the Major.Minor.Bugfix would be correct. Ignore me on that, then.
void void
I know what mojang's changelog is 
tranquil bone
Microjang
Well screw upgrading to that, not taking the risk for now
Going to watch some good anime for a change of pace
"
austere fog
1.14.3 improves performance, but not nearly enough for the hassle of upgrading
void void
@cosmic raft i mean that i've read the link he sent
cosmic raft
ah
worn ember
Uwuuu
limber knotBOT
owo
worn ember
👀
marble summit
Imagine minecraft 1.14
limber knotBOT
imagine minecraft infdev
tranquil bone
Imagine bug free Minecraft
marble summit
This post was made by terraria squad
Terraria: Minecraft, but less buggy also rpg
Also 2D
tranquil bone
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) The Biggest Cat Hug - length 3m 21s - 85,402 likes, 1,201 dislikes (98.6%) - 1,376,860 views - Daily Dose Of Internet on 2019.06.24
tranquil bone
That's a fucking moth
1:24
Jesus christ
Its tail can move like 90 degrees
That gives me shivers
stiff yarrow
Reverted the enchanting system to how it was before 1.14 this was about the OP enchantment combos right?
Improved performance 
void void
tranquil bone
worn ember
Nyan ghast
cosmic raft
void void
I saw that lmao
fickle zephyr
cosmic raft
yup
fickle zephyr
Any good devs out here?
limber knotBOT
do you love me simple
void void
i only love you for your beard
limber knotBOT
so you do love me
worn ember
I ship it
void void
my fiance is in this chat
limber knotBOT
at we have our love for me in common
worn ember
The love for me is universal
limber knotBOT
not you alexander dumbass
limber knotBOT
s/Everything/Literally nothing
Correction, <DiscordBot> <13PhpOurAdmin> Literally nothing is about me
it's all about me
ME, ME, ME
.g me me me
(^-^) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oQWvoXMWME -- MEMEME![OFFICIAL VIDEO & MUSIC] - YouTube: "Dec 19, 2015 ... MEMEME #MEMEME #MEMEME #MEMEME #MEMEME #anime."
worn ember
;-;
limber knotBOT
oh no I'm retarded
also that's some garbage quality version of that video, I'm pretty sure it's pitch shifted and maybe sped up as well
heavy rapids
so, I'm not up to date, did mojang fix performance with .3 or is it just appeasement snake oil
heavy rapids
seeing that they announced .4 I'm kinda sure they didn't
but I'll never give up the hope for miracles.
void void
my hope for miracles is long gone
heavy rapids
F
void void
unless Jesus Christ himself shows up and waves his hand at mojang HQ
heavy rapids
lol just read a satire headline: "GDPR bans tattoos with names and birth dates"
void void
i honestly would not be surprised...
stiff yarrow
@cosmic raft I specifically remember for summer camp we had to get vaccinated wasn't this normal 
cosmic raft
yes, that's sane
void void
yep
heavy rapids
next headline: "Authorities recommend not leaving pets inside parked cars without baking parchment"
stiff yarrow
much better quality version https://youtu.be/OaXgojfEoJ4
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) ME!ME!ME! - Daoko feat. TeddyLoid (Original) (1440p) - length 6m 27s - 5,844 likes, 120 dislikes (98.0%) - 141,218 views - DuhSnafu on 2019.04.07 - NSFW****
void void
oh boy
stiff yarrow
@heavy rapids the song is very good, the imagery is nsfw
heavy rapids
what's "NSFW" in the context of youtube
void void
it has random anime chicks in underwear with cameltoes and boobs for no discernable reason
heavy rapids
oh, that's tame
stiff yarrow
well...
stiff yarrow
its pretty NSFW for a music video
stiff yarrow
my fav part is at the end when the bass goes ham
heavy rapids
does youtube only ban real bobs or was that video just not flagged lol
stiff yarrow
if its not for porn youtube doesn't ban it
anything falling under art I think is fine
cosmic raft
@void void https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1KvFYbMDQY
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) BIKERS VS COPS - Best Motorcycle & Dirtbike Police Chase Compilation #30 - FNF - length 11m 8s - 1,340 likes, 80 dislikes (94.4%) - 119,363 views - FailsAndFights on 2019.04.12
cosmic raft
lmao
void void
haven't opened yet but have you seen the ones where the bikers go upwards of 300mph and fucking dust the cops
just fucking g o n e
cosmic raft
no
void void
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfo4cD7F0Ww @cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) HIGH SPEED POLICE CHASES | POLICE vs. BIKERS | [Episode 11] - length 15m 27s - 19,092 likes, 1,852 dislikes (91.2%) - 2,055,402 views - DirtBike Lunatic on 2017.03.04
stiff yarrow
300 kmh or mph
cosmic raft
300 doots per second
void void
i don't know exactly, i can't find the exact video i was talking about
if i do i'll show you, he had a speedometer cam
cosmic raft
youtube history?
void void
i cleared it a while back
cosmic raft
boo
void void
was getting retarded suggestions
stiff yarrow
.g land speed record motorbike
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_land-speed_record -- Motorcycle land-speed record - Wikipedia: "The motorcycle land-speed record is the fastest speed achieved by a motorcycle on land. It is standardized as the speed over a course of fixed..."
cosmic raft
holy shit he went fast
void void
cosmic raft
267
void void
i feel like YT has removed the one I was talking about :\
Unless that is it
It's been a long time
void void
some motorcycles can fucking leave cops in the dust, till they break out the helicopter
cosmic raft
you know
it's kind of funny
how there's no special places where you are allowed to do this type of stuff
cosmic raft
it would stop people doing this on public roads, endangering people
void void
@stiff yarrow verify
void void
stiff yarrow
verify what
cosmic raft
[01:56] simple: Japan you can afaik
[01:56] simple: If you're going over a certain limit, cops won't chase you
void void
Ok I looked it up
stiff yarrow
isn't that true of usa too
void void
They won't chase but they will call ahead and stop you another way
stiff yarrow
never heard of that for Japan tbh, and I don't think it would happen in Japan
stiff yarrow
Japan has tolled highways and cities are just too fucking full of people
void void
so it seems japan won't do a high speed chase citing danger to the public and possible damage to property
but they will catch you
stiff yarrow
yeah I just don't see how you could outrun cops in Japan
void void
Also idk if you guys have ever seen a traffic break but I was heading home from school once and it's the first time I've seen one. I was right in the front
They basically speed by everyone till there is a small break in traffic, then zig zag the whole freeway
sage turret
void void
This is cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfJ0sLQXJek
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) AMAZING: Boater helps put out wildfire with his boat before help arrives - length 53s - 7,432 likes, 200 dislikes (97.4%) - 684,856 views - The Weather Network on 2017.07.30
void void
hey yall i asked earlier but idk, can i edit the paper,spigot yml or server props while server is running and expect no overwrite on shutdown
or can i edit then reboot and b gud
modest stream
how can i convert my spigot plugins to papaer if posibble?
tranquil bone
Haha Simple
void void
it truly makes me cry
tranquil bone
Said to report to paper, so I do that, but I think this is fixable with Citizens?
I mean, just updating citizens
void void
it may be, you can try it if there is an update available. If there is and you do update, and it's still there, make a github issue
And if you can, when you do, don't use an image. Copy and paste to a paste site, then give the link
tranquil bone
Seems to be working fine now
void void
tranquil bone
Took a backup, and now I am in the front lines
Wish me luck
Nothing broke either except Citizens and Essentials which I just updated
Smart, I just though why not take advantage of off-peak times at the moment
modest stream
does protocollib work for paper?
tranquil bone
Yes
native thunder
Real men test on live
jagged parcel
tranquil bone
Dang, I am a real man then
limber knotBOT
see, at work we test in dev and "verify" in prod
tranquil bone
Sup @jagged parcel lol
jagged parcel
hi bobe
limber knotBOT
if you say you test in prod you get killed 😂
void void
I'm a horrible person so I tested changes in prod all the time
limber knotBOT
test = verify but nobody cares
void void
(before I realize that im in the wrong environment, go fuck shit damn, revert, then go to UAT)
when security asks for logs I'm like "sorry idk" :)
limber knotBOT
our UAT is more secured than prod
limber knotBOT
like I have access to reverse proxy conf in dev and prod, but not UAT 😂
void void
I had full admin access to sandbox, dev, uat, and prod
one time i even uninstalled sql from dev because the platform team were being assholes
thus forcing them to do emergency maintenance to reinstall sql
tranquil bone
lolol
Talking about SQL....
I need to get my gcloud database up and running
You know when pastebinit takes 3 second to paste it's not good news
zealous knot
Okay so what's an IRC client for windows that looks good?
void void
hexchat
zealous knot
kind of a dark theme going on
void void
has white theme but is themeable
i recommend this theme https://hexchat.github.io/img/themes/Simply_Glyphed_Tango_Dark.png
Install, then if you run the hct it will theme your hexchat
enjoy
zealous knot
IIRC hexchat is paid though?
zealous knot
Cool beans
limber knotBOT
only irc client worth using is https://thelounge.chat
together with my theme of course
.g thelounge-theme-mininapse
(MiniDigger) https://github.com/MiniDigger/thelounge-theme-mininapse -- MiniDigger/thelounge-theme-mininapse: A dark, minimal ... -...: "A dark, minimal theme for TheLounge IRC client. Contribute to MiniDigger/thelounge-theme-mininapse development by creating an account on GitHub."
(screenshots included)
hexchat themes look awful
tranquil bone
That's an IRC client? Dang, it looks like slack. That's really nice
void void
yes, however 'for windows' usually meaning a standalone program. Lounge is a selfhost webapp
limber knotBOT
why do ppl think irc clients need to look ugly?...
void void
No one said that lmao
limber knotBOT
which runs on windows :D
you can even run it as an electron app so its just like slack 😂
void void
where is the easy windows install people expect
im not saying it's hard, i love lounge
but it's definitely not as easy as an exe
limber knotBOT
mister_fix isn't an idiot
zealous knot
MiniDigger I appreciate it but i'm afraid you're very wrong
void void
docker looks easiest for windows
which is really just running in a containerized linux
craggy dirge
tranquil bone
void void
sometimes people come in here just to tell us things like they're the ones notifying us for the first time
and it's like, sweetie
stop
tranquil bone
I wish I could get called sweetie by you
wide chasm
Yes
tranquil bone
Stef is helemaal gek
void void
Ok
wide chasm
Thanks, you too
void void
stef is sexy he's sent me nudes
tranquil bone
Hahaha
tranquil bone
Sharing is caring
whole apex
void void
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Baby Shark Cadence - length 1m 22s - 102,716 likes, 2,161 dislikes (97.9%) - 1,723,415 views - Art Scheel on 2019.04.24
void void
mfw 4am
GO TO SLEEP BITCH FUCK
4am
honestly man this hour is when i would wake up a few years ago
now i am still awake
finite wave
Good morning
void void
limber knotBOT
legacy version support in 3 acts: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/379830/#post-3449755
heady spear
yes bitches I got an A in discrete mathematics suck on that hoes
limpid needle
tropic flame
Discrete mathematics? Is that how you get in the secret services?
heady spear
Non-continuous mathematics
limpid needle
Hey guys !
zealous knot
@void void Well like 7 hours later i figured everything out and created my own IRC server and connected to it via HexChat 
heady spear
Shit like proofs, modular arithmetic, set theory, boolean logic, graph theory etc
In high school we mostly did conditional probility and then some basic set theory
finite wave
Why would it matter
heady spear
mostly Venn diagrams
heady spear
Scandinavia doesn't know how to do math tbh
This has by far been my favorite math course in uni so far lol, which also shows in my grade. Barely passed calculus 😐
finite wave
Heheh
finite wave
Using Paper?
tranquil bone
Yeah haha
tranquil bone
Oh this is a known issue?
finite wave
Yeah Aikar made some improvements
golden gust
You're missing the rest of the line, a part which adds a large amount of context
finite wave
It’s a hopper what does it matter tbh
golden gust
Knowing how many there are lets you see if there is an actual issue vs players being an issue
finite wave
Always blame players
golden gust
"per tick"
tranquil bone
No way, you got to be kidding me
finite wave
Cool
tranquil bone
3000 hopper minecarts?
golden gust
yes
wide chasm
Entities only get ticked once a tick, right?
Assuming the server isn't trying to catch up or anything.
finite wave
Unless u do async stuff
wide chasm
?
acoustic pilot
Entity/TE doTicks should only be called once per tick AFAIK
finite wave
Heheheh
worn ember
its too hot today to even think of math without overheating
my pc is literally overheating too cuz of how hot it is lmfao
jaunty bolt
acoustic pilot
Why do you think it's called a tick?
You can't just tick entities async, they rely on synchronous game state.
vagrant marlin
acoustic pilot
If you had two entities both ticking async at the same time, they'd still need to synchronize on any shared state, which leads to locking, which leads to lag spikes/pauses
So instead of trying to do all that messy business, the game simply ticks everything within a single thread and tries to do everything within that 50ms period
golden gust
You have to maintain consistent state which means locking/syncronizing any state query/transform
Problem is is that the costs of that is not free
acoustic pilot
You could make design changes to accommodate that, but that is obviously harder to do
Way easier to just make the game single threaded lol
golden gust
To the point that imho, it would negativily impact the server if they started trying to make everything tick async/parallel
So much that there would be no gains, and that's before you even hit plugins
acoustic pilot
once you add plugins into the mix it seems completely hopeless
seems? it is completely hopeless.
You need a proper async API with a proper async game design, basically gotta rewrite Minecraft/Bukkit from the ground up
heady lava
acoustic pilot
"Ticking" a hopper minecart would involve handling movement as well as managing its contents, I don't know why other things would be trying to "tick" it.
limber knotBOT
nobody cares about 1.8, right?
acoustic pilot
The server ticks every entity once per tick
MiniDigger: More people care about 1.8 than 1.9/1.10/1.11
Combined.
limber knotBOT
yerah, dw, I only pushed that to a legacy page
acoustic pilot
That's not true with 1.12 or 1.13, but still 1.8 is way more popular than those other 3 versions.
And more relevant if you judge by the "who cares" standard.
That's probably way too many for the server to tick
Because if I remember, hopper minecarts are computationally intensive
Because they have to search for things to suck up around them
So every tick they do this
Times that by however many there are
wide chasm
Do hopper minecarts search for things to suck up? Wouldn't it be easier for the items to check if there's a hopper minecart below and then tell it to suck them up?
wintry garden
acoustic pilot
Clever patches have been attempted before
To avoid the radius search for hoppers, that is
Or hopper minecarts, I mean
Hoppers have also been attempted, there was a patch where the number of dropped items in a chunk were tracked and hoppers wouldn't activate unless there were items or something
Something like that, I'm butchering the details
wide chasm
Could probably tick items, then get the block below the item and check if it's a hopper, then tell it to suck them up. Since I'm assuming searching for items is O(n) for a hopper, so for all hoppers that'd be O(n*k). And since getting a block is O(1) (right?) ticking items to make them go into hoppers, would result in O(n) total. But you probably have to do some work to ensure hoppers don't pick up too much per tick, so don't know how viable it'd be.
unreal quarry
1.8 isn't the most popular version...
acoustic pilot
Nobody said it was.
Try re-reading that.
Before you go on your bullshit crusade.
static badge
.rolled
wide chasm
That patch only avoid searching if there are no items, right? Not what I mentioned, or does it?
unreal quarry
I'm just tired of hearing about how 1.8 is so good
unreal quarry
Nothing, apparently ^_^
ornate spindle
https://i.tcpr.ca/gwceV3s.mp4 minecarts sure have interesting mechanics when you have a ton of them merged together
unreal quarry
Only because 1.9-1.11 have nothing special
acoustic pilot
Indeed, that's all I said. And it's only that way because people move on from release to release now.
Instead of staying on one version
1.8 is the exception, 1.12 is another exception
Every once in a while Mojang ends up dividing their community like this
acoustic pilot
@ornate spindle Is that... minecarts moving other minecarts?
acoustic pilot
I'm guessing the collision check is constantly pushing them against each other
unreal quarry
1.13 and 1.14 work great for me, barty. So /shrug
ornate spindle
yeah I assume so, I think there is like 8 - 20 minecarts per "minecart" that is moving
acoustic pilot
Mojang's primary multiplayer audience is the small server owners / friends and family type servers. 100+ players is not a concern for Mojang, which reflects in the end product with the various technical decisions they make.
unreal quarry
There's the problem. The game was designed for smaller userbases per server
ornate spindle
player list ends at 80 players so pretty sure they don't really support anything above it
acoustic pilot
Those design decisions are a reflection of their disinterest in high capacity servers, @spare venture
upper flicker
Their servers sure don’t
stiff yarrow
wasn't 1.8 biggest % on bstats
acoustic pilot
No I think 1.12 surpasses 1.8
acoustic pilot
1.13 will probably be left behind in the dust with weak numbers
as people upgrade to 1.14
but I expect 1.12 to remain steady for a while
unreal quarry
acoustic pilot
The demand for 1.8.8 is just insane.
acoustic pilot
As expected it should be, but not at a rate that I expected it to.
1.8 will probably survive a 2-3 more years
unreal quarry
of servers
stiff yarrow
its servers
acoustic pilot
It should be based on the server it's installed on
Showing # of players in the version statistics is obviously pointless
unreal quarry
of players wouldn't make sense because mega servers like hypixel would skew it
acoustic pilot
The current stats aren't misleading, they're just incomplete.
They represent a subset of actual servers
Since not every server has bStats
But bStats is shipped with a lot of public plugins, enough that the sample is large enough to be relevant
Statistically I don't see how the sample is particularly misleading.
It's unclear how much of the data on there is spoofed though
Since the data is expected to be submitted by the server
No I don't think 1.12.2 will increase as 1.8 decreases, because 1.8 decreasing is probably a sign of people moving on to the latest and greatest or losing interest in Minecraft altogether.
1.8.8 will probably just fade away from disinterest, IMO
I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Having more features obviously opens up more options, whether or not you choose to rely on them or not.
stiff yarrow
@spare venture define "stable"
upper flicker
I remember when 1.8(.8) came out, so much drama, so many performance issues and bugs
If 1.9 hadn’t have reeeee’d combat I doubt people would sit there
acoustic pilot
The 1.8 performance drama was real haha
Just tells you how fucking fast 1.7.10 was
upper flicker
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
acoustic pilot
I think the OptiFine author did a whole post on Reddit or a blog about how 1.8 and BlockPositions were bad idea
stiff yarrow
acoustic pilot
I don't think Minecraft is even tested software
Like I know they have basic QA
But I don't think they have actual code tests, or enough of them
So things like regressions are common
upper flicker
Tbh some Uber basic tests is all I’d expect they have
wide chasm
Didn't one of the devs say they have no QA for Java?
upper flicker
They’ve said their QA is us and snapshots
acoustic pilot
If Minecraft was well tested, they wouldn't be having regression bugs
Because tests would easily catch those
So yeah, Minecraft itself is pretty much perpetually unstable.
Which leads to Spigot and Paper being inherently unstable
Although they make the situation better
unreal quarry
Why don't we just backport all the new feature to 1.7 and leave out all the other bs that's made Minecraft so slow (blockposition, chunk ticket, vec3d, etc)
unreal quarry
^_^
acoustic pilot
And you don't retain vanilla behavior lol
You joke, but as an idea, some servers have executed it
and it's very appealing
acoustic pilot
By this point I'm sure whatever Hypixel runs no longer resembles Spigot, or if they even use a fork anymore, but IIRC, that's basically what Hypixel used to do since 1.7 or 1.8
limber knotBOT
hytale lol
Is that the game where they take all your money then hytale it out of there? :D
unreal quarry
I'm still hyped for hytale tbh
acoustic pilot
The development/creative aspect to it looks accommodating and fun to work with.
I'm pretty hyped too
wide chasm
I'm on the "people will play it and then get bored of it after 3 months"-train.
acoustic pilot
Looking forward to writing code / scripting stuff for it
limber knotBOT
Ah shit it's Java
acoustic pilot
Yeah obviously if it has no following, regardless of how good its development platform is, it won't be fun to stick around
ornate spindle
I'm excited for hytale, but I do worry about how they will handle multiplayer and how the multiplayer menu will look
acoustic pilot
But I think it'll have moderate success worst case. I don't have high expectations for them, even 10% of Minecraft's active monthly playerbase is a huge accomplishment if they can pull it off
That's still roughly 10 million players 😃
acoustic pilot
The only reason you usually need to fork is when upstream is retarded
I don't think upstream will be retarded in this case
Or if you want to experiment with your own changes
unreal quarry
I think it will be minigames oriented, so those more rpg oriented will mostly likely start a fork
acoustic pilot
I doubt it, I'm betting a one-size-fits-all server.
Hypixel doesn't want to split the community into forks
This is common sense
wide chasm
Do we already have game price/release date?
ornate spindle
you know what I like about hytale, there will be no skript
acoustic pilot
No major project wants a split community
wide chasm
Cause if the game's $60, I highly doubt it'll see much success.
acoustic pilot
No way it's going to be $60
unreal quarry
I'll still buy it for $60 tbh
acoustic pilot
I probably wouldn't.
wide chasm
I'm probably not even going to buy it at all tbh
acoustic pilot
I vowed to never pay $60 for a game again at some point
Burned too many times 😛
For dumbass $60 AAA titles
ornate spindle
tbh alpha should be cheaper than full release
wide chasm
Check reviews before buying, Byte, that's what I do all the time and never had a problem.
unreal quarry
To me, it's an investment in a game engine, not so much a game. Other game engines go for way more ;)
worn ember
🤔
wide chasm
Oof, annual games
acoustic pilot
But I do impulse buys when the situation is reversed
worn ember
buy fifa 2007 and its literally the same as fifa 2050
acoustic pilot
Like when I'm getting A LOT for like $5-10
I buy that shit up
Steam sales are my weakness
ornate spindle
annual games and annual hardware really needs to die, would rather wait 2 - 3 years for actual good products which are worth it
acoustic pilot
Even if I never play the game lol
worn ember
fifa battle royale when
wide chasm
Oh, I buy a game, finish it, then buy another one, finish it, etc. I never have any game that I haven't played.
acoustic pilot
Too many unplayed games in my library >_>
worn ember
i have a few i only played a couple hours
acoustic pilot
I bought that Borderlands pack recently for like $6 or some shit.
ornate spindle
I think 60% of my steam library is unplayed
acoustic pilot
Haven't played a single one of those games
But I was getting a lot of content for that and I figured maybe one day I'll wanna try it
ornate spindle
ornate spindle
summer sale is soon iirc
ornate spindle
I assume next week
or tomorrow since steam does like tuesday for whenever they do stuff
heady spear
helo nerds
umbral tiger
anyone here know why my iframe code to embed Dynmap onto my website isnt working?
<iframe src="http://YOURSERVERIP:8123/" width="100%" height="1200"> <p>Your browser does not support iframes.</p> </iframe>
that
hallow light
robust walrus
cedar spade
Evening
zinc surge
My hoppers drop when I try to create a clock with them. Does anyone know what plugin this might be or is it paper even?!
zinc surge
Plugins (24): ?aAltFinder?f, ?aAsyncWorldEdit?f, ?aBossShopPro?f, ?aCenotaph?f, ?aCommandHook?f, ?aCraftBook?f, ?aDiscordSRV?f, ?aEpicHeads?f, ?aEssentials?f, ?aEssentialsSpawn?f, ?aExtraHardMode?f, ?aGraviTree?f, ?aGriefPrevention?f, ?aLuckPerms?f, ?amcMMO?f, ?aMultiverse-Core?f, ?aMultiverse-Inventories?f, ?aNoCheatPlus?f, ?aParrotAnnouncer?f, ?aSuperbVote?f, ?aVault?f, ?aVotifier?f, ?aWorldEdit?f, ?aWorldGuard
Sorry for the ugly formatting
Those are all plugins I use
Nothing against lag specifically
robust quest
de-sync
🤷
Its origin is a Jamaican person saying "The Sink"
Doesn't GriefPrevention have a max hopper per claim thingy? @zinc surge
zinc surge
I have GP disabled on that world but I'm not entirely sure
Currently reproducing by removing plugins locally and testing them all one by one
robust quest
WorldGuard?
zinc surge
What permission would that be?
pulsar wigeon
it's not a plugin permission
it's a region permission
as in
you set chest-access or build to deny
zinc surge
True, right!!
pulsar wigeon
so, as expected things aren't allowed to access chests
worldguard just breaks the hopper to prevent the performance nightmare that is a hopper trying to pull items every tick and getting cancelled
zinc surge
It was chest-access, yes
pulsar wigeon
depends on what you're trying to do
zinc surge
Thanks a lot :D
pulsar wigeon
chest-access deny -g nonmembers is usually what people want
finite wave
Kook
heavy rapids
worldguard has group-specific flags? o:
finite wave
Yes
heavy rapids
wow
finite wave
Wiz is fancy
heavy rapids
ye
heady spear
daily reminder that wiz sux
finite wave
.remindme
limber knotBOT
[-d] [-w <who>] <when> <message...>
finite wave
.remindme 1d Wiz sucks - complementary of @heady spear
limber knotBOT
DiscordBot: Reminder set for 1 day from now.
heady spear
Hehehe
finite wave
City do it
finite wave
Hmm?
heady spear
Oh fuck no it's the ghoulies that do jingle jangle
the serpents are like really against that
forgot sry
finite wave
Riverdale stuff?
heady spear
lol yes
finite wave
I googled it, haven’t watched riverdale in ages
heady spear
it got w e i r d after season 1
tall plume
heady spear
hurr durr trump bad!!!
fallen oracle
I mean, there's going to be another season
fallen oracle
?
fallen oracle
Like, it was good when I was watching it
heady spear
So the show turned bad when you stopped watching it?
heady spear
So the lack of episodes makes it bad?
finite wave
Meh
heady spear
Why would you want more episodes of a bad show?
fallen oracle
Stop
heady spear
I disagree, I think it's a good show.
fallen oracle
It is
heady spear
so you lied?
fallen oracle
Stop
finite wave
Why are you both contradicting yourself
fallen oracle
Yes
heady spear
At least I don't claim that I want more episodes of a show I dislike
smh hate watching much
fallen oracle
Stop
heady spear
I only watch it so I can complain about it
fallen oracle
Yes
heady spear
Stop agreeing with me
fallen oracle
Yes
heady spear
you dislike riverdale so I don't want you on my side
fallen oracle
Stop
heady spear
stop telling me to stop
fallen oracle
Yes
heady spear
smh go lick daddy clip or something
yay my server is finally ready to update to 1.14.2
so around the time when 1.14.4 is released I might be ready for 1.14.3
tropic flame
minecraft's fixation with ocean biomes is something I'll never understand
finite wave
They made those water plants
tropic flame
it should be forbidden to first spawn in an ocean biome
finite wave
And now ocean is their favoritr
heady spear
minecraft oceans succ
tropic flame
because like... how tf are you supposed to first spawn and survive on an ocean biome?
wide chasm
There is wood in shipwrecks 😉
tropic flame
like, you got no land... and it's a miracle they added fish mobs in 1.13 otherwise you'd have no food either
heady spear
if I wanted wood I'd hit up jan
tropic flame
so w t f
heady spear
träskalle.
finite wave
Hmm?
heady spear
Is anyone else having problems with player walking being wonky af in 1.14?
heady spear
My NPCs walk like zombies
tropic flame
I'm having problems with 1.14 in general
heady spear
1.14.1 had very broken rotation, the yaw wouldn't update
updating to 1.14.2 solved that
but now they walk like fucking idiots
tropic flame
nobody:
absolutely nobody:
1.14: IZ SERBER OBERLOAD?? SKIPPING 58934902390 TICKS AHED
heady spear
this code has been working fine since 1.12
and now suddenly they're unable to move like ok thx mojang
do I has to make custom pathfinder? because like no
hybrid hull
heady spear
Aw man fuck these NPCs they're rude as fuck
tropic flame
don't worry city, by the time 1.16 is out your server will be 1.14 compatible
now I understand why people just get 1.8.8 and throw ViaVersion in it /s
heady spear
1.14 has only brought problems
I wish we would have stayed on 1.13, I was fine with that version
tropic flame
imagine releasing a broken update with the plans of releasing another broken update
1.14.5 coming soon everyone!
heady spear
I wanna go smack some mojang employees tbh
tropic flame
remember when everyone was saying 1.13 would be the last update
heavy rapids
don't, otherwise the last person working on java edition will lose motivation
frigid nebula
why on earth did people think it would stop at 1.13
acoustic pilot
People used to think the next release after 1.9 would be 2.0
worn ember
u
brazen barn
People complaining about the ocean now either are new to the game or have completely forgotten how they were previously a barren wasteland with absolutely no use or interest to the game.
worn ember
barty likes to complain
brazen barn
Dolphins, sea turtles, lots of structures, fish, kelp, lots of cool stuff
frigid nebula
don't forget coral reefs
wide chasm
Oh, that could be the case, don't know about that, you can't ride them in Vanilla though.
worn ember
i just want giant sea monsters than will wreck you in one blow ktnx
tropic flame
I'm complaining that you shouldn't be let first spawn in an ocean biome because you have nothing to survive for long there
acoustic pilot
you got fish
brazen barn
gib kraken
acoustic pilot
still need a bucket i guess
brazen barn
I've never spawned in an ocean biome before. You mean just like, out in the middle of the water?
acoustic pilot
I think it's pretty cool because it's a challenge to survive in unique circumstances
Rise up to the challenge scrub
brazen barn
^
worn ember
@acoustic pilot i think you'd like rimworld lmfao
acoustic pilot
I already own RimWorld
frigid nebula
I've seen people build pretty amazing stuff entirely underwater now that we have conduits
acoustic pilot
Great game
frigid nebula
You don't have to build ON the ocean, build IN it
cedar spade
You're a conduit
brazen barn
Or, if it's such an awful experience for you, just restart the world. You just spawned. You're not losing anything.
acoustic pilot
Bought it as soon as it came out of early access, so I haven't been playing it for long
That game was in EA forever
worn ember
its only one dev lol
acoustic pilot
Yeah
But a big mod community
So there's always interesting mods to play around with
worn ember
the mods are what make it so great
acoustic pilot
Another good, difficult game I've poured a lot of time into is Stellaris, but that's more of an epic strategy
Similar though, survive 😛
limber knotBOT
Oxygen not included will be out of early access next month
acoustic pilot
Eventually you end up trying to survive fallen empires
I have maybe 200 hours in that game, never won a single match. I often find myself starting new matches. Still love the game a lot
worn ember
i just wished RTS wasnt dead
acoustic pilot
It's not really, I mean SC2 is still going and WC3 is getting a reboot.
worn ember
really the only good ones
acoustic pilot
Oh well, that's one they should definitely bring back
worn ember
i think they ditched it cuz it required an iq above 40 to play
acoustic pilot
RTS requires high APM so anyone who plays generally has to have a higher than average IQ to manage an efficient APM
IMO, any way
acoustic pilot
why is SC2 free but SC/BroodWar are like $10 >_>
worn ember
gotta get money somehow
limber knotBOT
it has all the ingredients for a solid game and then it went and made bad decisions
worn ember
Icefrog works for valve now, so i doubt it xD
worn ember
yeah
limber knotBOT
the micro for sc2 is fucking absurd for real
acoustic pilot
Maybe the classic WC3 Dota map will just work on the new WC3
limber knotBOT
it was decent for wings of liberty but by the time we got all the additional units from the two expansions it just fucking exploded the amount of individual unit abilities
acoustic pilot
Brood War was perfect, just one expansion
limber knotBOT
brood was okay but wings was better imo
acoustic pilot
Blizzard goes overboard with expansions now
limber knotBOT
the micro is just too damn high
worn ember
blizzard is dying
acoustic pilot
I'm still gonna play the shit out of WoW Classic when it releases in August >_>
acoustic pilot
Yeah I play Overwatch every day, but without Overwatch, maybe Blizz would've been in a bad spot right now
worn ember
oh righ they bought more dying games 😃
acoustic pilot
WoW is also still very strong.
acoustic pilot
It's not in its prime, but it's still strong.
limber knotBOT
I mean I don't think they're going to shut the servers down any time soon
worn ember
isnt diablo 4 going to be a mobile game?
limber knotBOT
but it's not exactly bringing in those "games as a service" money
acoustic pilot
No, that's Diablo 3, or some variation of it
limber knotBOT
that's just an offshoot
acoustic pilot
Yeah, mobile offshoot of D3
D4 needs to be amazing. They need to look back at what made D2 so awesome.
limber knotBOT
I would say that I wish blizz would get its shit together but very honestly I think it's only going to get worse
they're very quickly becoming the worst offender for microtransactions
acoustic pilot
They just need one big flop to smack some sense into them
limber knotBOT
I think they'd just try to make even more money to compensate
would only make them even more desperate with their monetization bs
worn ember
it would help if people actually stopped buying their shit too...
limber knotBOT
I'm sort of done with blizz at this point tbh which is a shame because I was very much a wc2/wc3/wow/sc1/sc2 person growing up
I've spent entirely too much time on their games but they are markedly worse over time with the way they keep trying to push those additional blizzbucks off of you
worn ember
i give up on blizard (and activision), EA long ago, Ubisoft and some other big companies
havent bought a single game of any of those companies in years
acoustic pilot
Overwatch still fun, but slowly losing interest
limber knotBOT
I swore off ubi/EA with the flop that was sim city
just utter garbage
and insulting to boot
the open contempt they have for their userbase is a thing of wonder
worn ember
yeah
limber knotBOT
I mostly liked how people would cooperate over voice chat in the early days of OW
I have not been able to get a single match with decent VC synergy so far this year
acoustic pilot
good thing I only play FFA deathmatch, pretty much given up on the main game now. Blizz keeps fucking with arcade and fucking with FFA so that might go away soon too
limber knotBOT
lol
acoustic pilot
I have hundreds of hours in FFA
heady spear
limber knotBOT
the only time I hear anything on vc it's because someone is shitting on someone else
heady spear
NO PARKING!
acoustic pilot
VC in QP was better before comp existed, but as far as in comp, it's generally pretty good
limber knotBOT
half the team just shows up already off of VC most of the time