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fallen oracle
acoustic pilot
leaf got a nice new furry avatar
merry talon
same should happen with the server jar 
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fuk off
fallen oracle
I mean I got a system for yml files but nothing for jars
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I'll make u into a fur coat
fallen oracle
Tho I don't need a system for jars
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idk
fallen oracle
Lol
Getting a longboard for school to easily travel around
The board I'm looking at is 200
acoustic pilot
Make some premium plugins to sell, you'll be RICH!!
fallen oracle
I do have one lol
vestal jasper
I see leaf's back to his furry avatars
fallen oracle
It's already paid for the board if I want it
vestal jasper
ok furry
acoustic pilot
nice
I'm almost done with that library too, gonna publish that probably next week, or this weekend if I polish it enough
acoustic pilot
@fallen oracle the library manager thing
fallen oracle
Lit
merry talon
get a motorized board
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if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
merry talon
mfw
vestal jasper
mine's my pet so I have an excuse
fallen oracle
I'ma add you to the credits tonight
acoustic pilot
Got it for Bukkit/Bungee/Sponge/Velocity, just need to do Nukkit now
vestal jasper
Sorry you're too furry for me to listen to you
please leave a message after the beep
acoustic pilot
Going to try to do an example plugin too showcasing a simple cross-server plugin design that uses it
upper flicker
That looks like an interesting pic of your cat
fallen oracle
Are you adding in another new?
vestal jasper
Z I threw a sock on him and this was his reaction
fallen oracle
Anything
merry talon
Nukkit is a Nuclear-Powered Server Software
placid thicket
ladies, ladies... you are both pretty... calm down
upper flicker
lol sounds about right
merry talon
acoustic pilot
@fallen oracle nah I don't think so, feature wise it's pretty much the same, just cleaned up. You will be able to control the log output since I assume some people won't want it to be that verbose, but essentially it's the same thing. Eventually I wanna add annotation support
fallen oracle
That'll be dope
Not like I don't have enough annotations in my plug-in already enough
coughs in ACF
acoustic pilot
Annotate all teh things
fallen oracle
I have IntelliJ templates setup to auto create command classes for me with annotations
placid thicket
having had to go over someone elses code while learning python that had 0 comments... please annotate all the things...
acoustic pilot
Nice, you should put those on GitHub, IntelliJ designed them in a way they can be shared I think
merry talon
annotate all the things
merry talon
lol I didn't even see that he already typed that
fallen oracle
As far as documentation annotation, I think every single method in my plugin is annotated
merry talon
what about fields
fallen oracle
They are mostly self explaining
placid thicket
readable code is good code
merry talon
well yes, ideally your code should speak for itself
vestal jasper
that's not always possible though sadly
merry talon
its not realistic for them to have commented to an absolute beginner's level understanding
fallen oracle
Just watched a GoFundMe for a dog go up 6,000 in 7 minutes after a Twitter tweeted it
merry talon
so maybe u were just dum
fallen oracle
merry talon
they really ought to put some restrictions on what you can put on there
but on the other hand if people are dumb enough to donate to that
placid thicket
the code i was working with had no comments anywhere and everything was written in short hand, variables like UpUp, DownUpDown and shit
pulsar wigeon
as much as i love dogs, sometimes they're just very sick and would be happier not suffering
assuming that's even real
merry talon
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
acoustic pilot
8 years old, at that size, she's ready to go
merry talon
yeah
acoustic pilot
just stop prolonging her suffering
placid thicket
have a look at this one, its kickstarter but still
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zackdangerbrown/potato-salad
pulsar wigeon
merry talon
regardless of suffering I don't think sick animals warrant crowd funding lol
fallen oracle
I've had 3 dogs in my life. Still on my 3rd. First one lived till they were 17, last one which passed away last year was 15
acoustic pilot
Dogs her size usually won't live past 10-12
gusty idol
Can I ask in which version ItemStack#setDurability(short) was deprecated?
acoustic pilot
She's a granny right now.
vestal jasper
$1000: I'll do a live stream of the potato salad making
did he actually livestream it?
I wanna see this
placid thicket
you can send your dog's hair to germany and have a cloned puppy sent back now
yes, yes he did
merry talon
I had 2 cats die in the past year and a half, one of which was probably avoidable
gusty idol
I think you misread my question
merry talon
I didn't think to ask people for money because you just don't do that lol
gusty idol
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fallen oracle
I need to get better at interfaces and abstract stuff so I can make a single thing and have multiple implementations for it
acoustic pilot
My cat is like 14 or so now ๐ฆ
But he still goes around like he's 8 or some shit
No signs of aging
merry talon
yeah my last is getting old too
fallen oracle
Damn it just went up another $3,000
vestal jasper
looks like 1.13 @gusty idol
stiff yarrow
@fallen oracle interfaces are very useful
gusty idol
Hmm
fallen oracle
Yeah I plan to use them more soon
vestal jasper
It's not deprecated here https://helpch.at/docs/1.12.2/org/bukkit/inventory/ItemStack.html#setDurability-short-
merry talon
it really messes with me mentally that I wasn't as sad as I should have been
fallen oracle
Especially for this claiming bullshit
vestal jasper
So it was either deprecated in 1.13 or 1.14
gusty idol
Thanks
vestal jasper
Yaah it was 1.13
stiff yarrow
I wouldn't overthink how you react emotionally to something, everyone deals with stuff in their own way
fallen oracle
Also got to figure out a solution to a bug that's actually giving colored tab suggestions and kick people cause they try to talk in Co lol or
Color
golden gust
2018-08-25
acoustic pilot
wat is intarfayce? im static everting, work bettur
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ur retarded
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vic
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
fallen oracle
Oh shit I just thought of a way.
vestal jasper
oh look it's the copy pasta
fallen oracle
Is anyone else like me where you actually type out your issue and then you figure it out
Because you read your actual issue as a message
safe tide
how many IJ windows is too many
vestal jasper
It's called rubber duck debugging @fallen oracle
fallen oracle
If it's under 25, it's not enough.
safe tide
k I got 4 rn
safe tide
I dont even have 50 projects to work on
merry talon
wasn't referring to that
fallen oracle
Projects
safe tide
I have like 3 active ones
fallen oracle
I'm currently recoding the papi WorldGuard expansion that someone fucked up
pulsar wigeon
that said, WE and WG are in the same project
safe tide
I've got 4 projects open one with like 60 classes and one with 30 ish
pulsar wigeon
so i essentially have like 5 projects in one here
fallen oracle
So far I got the region name done and working on all versions
Still gotta do owners, flags, members, and top /bottom points for claims
safe tide
I need to get involved on some of these bigger projects
fallen oracle
Then add in support for inputting a region name in the placeholder
pulsar wigeon
papi ๐ฎ
fallen oracle
;(
For the owners, I might just say fuck it and to string the array of usernames
Tho I gotta convert it from uuid first
river sentinel
fallen oracle
One thing I always found weird is in our server expansion, the TPS that we use reflection to get will only work if you're using the server version that the plugin was compiled under
marble summit
What commands do survival servers typhically have?
So far i have made a /wild command and /tp command
woven otter
found something interesting in poorly obfuscated code:
d.a and d.b are Sets
https://i.imgur.com/xXoFoBu.png
merry talon
homes and teleporting to other players
marble summit
That is what /tp does
merry talon
oh didn't see
marble summit
Yeah its an override
To the default tp command
If a admin does it they automatically tp
Otherwise it sends a request to the user
Which they then have to accept for the user to be teleported
But yeah, then all i need to put in is a /home command
How would one go about doing that?
marble summit
Should i store the ordinance in seperate player.yml files
merry talon
there's probably some home plugin or skript out there
marble summit
Or in one big player.yml
merry talon
oh you want to make it
marble summit
Yeah
merry talon
<uuid>.yml
marble summit
Im working on a PvP Survival Server
Yeah
Thought so
Thats how i handle my SB server and Economy
So i'll just pop that into there
merry talon
well, ideally database
marble summit
A Database would be Nice, but uuid.yml files are good for now
How many homes do users typhically get
Like 3?
merry talon
I would normally do 5 and then file more under a VIP perk
but that was years ago lol
can't do that anymore
marble summit
Yeah cause isn't that like against the EULA
To give a user more home warps for being an Donator
fallen oracle
What's eula
marble summit
Ye
pulsar wigeon
i don't think that's against EULA
safe tide
who gives a fuck about EULA
pulsar wigeon
warps aren't part of the game
fallen oracle
Yeah
marble summit
Good Point.
pulsar wigeon
not a lawyer, but pretty sure eula only covers selling parts of the game, not extra perks
merry talon
but they give a gameplay advantageโข
safe tide
no one follows it
merry talon
yes they do
pulsar wigeon
you guys can argue that shit
marble summit
I do not wanna take a chance, plus being P2W is crap.
acoustic pilot
In general EULAs are not legally binding
merry talon
You just need to decide if you want players to be lazy or build their own transport systems
acoustic pilot
The worst that will happen is your server makes it to Mojang's blocklist
marble summit
Well the issue is it is PvP Survival
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mojang's blacklist 
marble summit
So no railroads in the overworld atleast probably
acoustic basin
Paper is amazing. Brings my tps from 13 to 20
marble summit
Because there is not going to be any protection
oblique patrol
marble summit
And i am gonna put in a crap ton of crazy items too that probably would destroy a railroad pretty darn quick
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fallen oracle
Iirc it takes like 2 minutes to get back off the Mojang blacklist
fallen oracle
Little DNS magic
acoustic pilot
I wrote an unblocker thing for the place where I work to automatically unblock when Mojang blocks us lol
acoustic basin
acoustic pilot
But the basic concept seems to be known as SRV rotation now among the community.
merry talon
they just do domains not IPs?
golden gust
blocking IPs gets shaky because of shared hosting
merry talon
ah yeah
marble summit
Well, yea
merry talon
and I guess rotating and IP could be even easier
acoustic pilot
Right now there aren't any major servers that are actually affected by the blacklist, even though they are all blacklisted.
They're all running a SRV rotator
oblique patrol
Hello, I'm sorry if I came alone to ask this, but I wanted to know about this connection_throttle_limit in Waterfall
marble summit
Wait, so like Hypixel, Mineplex, ect are Blacklisted?
But they just use a SRV Rotator
acoustic pilot
Not the major servers I was referring to ๐
merry talon
how does that help if they're blacklisting the connection string though
acoustic pilot
Those aren't blocked as they're compliant
marble summit
Then what are the major servers?
merry talon
probably the biggest non minigame ones
marble summit
Well, what servers are those ๐
golden gust
Thei implementation is flawed, basically; It doesn't deal with srv records properly
marble summit
Also, the SRV Rotator thing you are talking about. How would one go about obtaining one of those?
golden gust
marble summit
Very Cool
tropic flame
doesn't Cloudflare allow you to do that?
acoustic pilot
@marble summit
marble summit
Woah what is that
oblique patrol
bump
acoustic pilot
Those are the major servers bypassing the blacklist
marble summit
Oh
Never heard of any of them
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I play on smaller servers typhically if i find some with good communities
acoustic pilot
Server: tomato24
Address: 192.168.1.1
Non-authoritative answer:
_minecraft._tcp.play.minesuperior.com SRV service location:
priority = 0
weight = 5
port = 25565
svr hostname = a86gacftcv.ddns.net``` Another one owned by someone in this Discord with like 2k playersconnection_throttle_limit controls how often a host can try to connect before it's blacklisted for a while
marble summit
Oh yeah what do you guys think of the new Skyblock Gamemode in Hypixel
I don't really like it, it is more of a Minigame than a Gamemode.
And still is not even really Skyblock
oblique patrol
@golden gust oh, nice, thx :D
fallen oracle
Gotta love when phones don't work properly. Apparently I got called 45 minutes ago to pick someone up but my phone never got a call
merry talon
interesting that they all use ddns
acoustic pilot
DDNS uses a single page application design so it's basically just an API, even though they don't like you using it for that purpose
I used Dynu when I did it for work
But either one is fine because they both have casual Minecrafters with home servers intermingled with the evaders lol
(aka both are fairly mainstream)
merry talon
would they blacklist an entire domain? lol
acoustic pilot
That's what I mean, they're both mainstream enough that I don't think Mojang would do that
placid thicket
its honestly not that hard to be compliant with the EULA, its not as bad as people make it sound
merry talon
I guess they would as some servers just use the bare domain for connecting
acoustic pilot
It really is as bad as it sounds. When you got from pulling 60k/mo to 5k lol
That's what EULA conversion did to some servers
So they switched back
placid thicket
the old EULA actually was more strict, technically making any money at all was against the EULA. the new one allows it with stipulations
merry talon
it was never enforced
could have been anything before
that doesn't make it less serious
acoustic pilot
Yeah and the 2011 EULA was in place for the longest stretch until a month or so before the EULA announcement
So the claim that the EULA was stricter is actually not entirely truthful
Because that stricter EULA was never in place until shortly before the upcoming changes were announced
unreal quarry
the problem isnt the EULA, imho. the problem stems from people trying to make a buck off Minecraft as their main income...
just sayin
acoustic pilot
For those who've been around long enough to remember, the 2011 EULA was very permissive.
Hey, we all have jobs
We all have bills to pay
Rent to pay
Mouths to feed
Your job isn't any more noble than mine.
vestal jasper
I mean if you dedicate how many hours on a server it isn't unreasonable to want to be compensated for your work
placid thicket
yes, but as an extreme example, one server i was briefly on required you to pay $5mo to use diamonds, they didnt spawn naturally in the world
wide hazel
Just tried multi-threading.. - https://v.redd.it/txxoc5f70b431
placid thicket
making 5k a month is still a lot more than i make every 2 months so...
acoustic pilot
You assume that is split with 1 person
No, tehre are several people who need to be paid.
It takes the effort of an entire team to generate that 5k
What used to be 60k
You get my point.
placid thicket
i run a server, albeit a small one, we make plenty to keep the server afloat, but we do it as a hobby, not a primary income source
acoustic pilot
Right, this is a business for many of us
Unless you're job shaming?
Is that your intention? ๐
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ur job bad
placid thicket
cough cough kids money cough
merry talon
the problem stems from people trying to make a buck off Minecraft as their main income
yeah I dont get this mentality
acoustic pilot
Guess we better shut down all toy stores
And shut down the video game industry
Because kids spend money
merry talon
your employer is your main source of income
acoustic pilot
No more kids films
merry talon
what makes minecraft an invalid profession?
placid thicket
didn't say it was, i said that some of the things people are doing to make money is underhanded and unfair, see the $5/mo for diamonds example above
unreal quarry
its more the stigma around the whole thing, tbh. "the eula sucks, so we setup SRV rotators to bypass when they blacklist us" is just fucking shit behavior.
vestal jasper
oh yeah I once found a server that charged money to access the nether
yikes from me
placid thicket
^ things like that
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just don't play there
acoustic pilot
I actually don't care what servers charge
Because if people buy
Then clearly there's a demand for it
If it's scummy you don't have to play there, for sure
but from a business standpoint, seems pretty smart if they can milk it
placid thicket
its a stupidity tax basically, and a way to scam people who don't know better
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filthy capatilists ruining my minecraft experience
stiff yarrow
tbh if someones spending money on things on a server why should it bother you
acoustic pilot
I'm all for social Darwinism
placid thicket
the whole point was to try and stop every server being pay to win cash grabs. often times you don't find out these things till late game. on top of that, most servers dont have a business licence. if i am scammed by a server, who do i ask for a refund from? its Mojang's game, but is it their responsibility?
acoustic pilot
Well, so many things wrong with what you said, IMO
stiff yarrow
yeah
acoustic pilot
Should be nobody's business but the server's whether it's pay to win
merry talon
yep
acoustic pilot
If you paid someone money, there's a money trail. If you're in the same country, take them to small claims.
Like you would for ANY OTHER BUSINESS
stiff yarrow
you sound like you want Mojang to police the servers which is just a bit much imo
acoustic pilot
Also, not like financial institutions don't provide recourse
Chargebacks on digital goods are always favored towards the buyer.
So it would never even reach a legal situation any way
unreal quarry
oh, then its all ok, byte. we should all just exploit the kids and let the institutions clean up the mess
acoustic pilot
Your definition of exploitation and mine clearly differ.
Sweatshop kids = exploitation
Kids buying stuff on Minecraft = capitalism
Funny they're both capitalism ๐
unreal quarry
thats a fucked up definition of capitalism
acoustic pilot
But one is obviously of a higher moral standing ๐
placid thicket
marketing to kids under a certain age = illegal
acoustic pilot
@placid thicket That's OK because it's Mojang policy that kids under 13 cannot play their game.
We will refund any underage transactions
Parents are also free to chargeback
unreal quarry
isnt that covered in the same EULA you tossed out the window?
acoustic pilot
Like I said, we'll refund it ๐
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry I'm againt making something "illegal" because kids might do something they shouldn't, these servers are mostly making their money off dolphins not kids imo
acoustic pilot
I've dealt with many parents in the past running a server
Usually most of them are quite reasonable
placid thicket
YOU will refund it. we aren't talking about YOU here
merry talon
I mean you could make the argument that any business aimed at kids that exchanges goods or services for money is exploitation of children
that just doesn't make sense
placid thicket
and in canada chargebacks bring consequences
unreal quarry
its exploitation if higher authorities have banned such behavior
stiff yarrow
@placid thicket paypal has a system which favours the buyer, its very easy todispute something
acoustic pilot
Operating a server as a business generates enough volume that you can operate honestly and without being scummy. Refunding is good policy
unreal quarry
we're talking about circumventing the EULA because people's profit margins dont agree with it
its scummy at best
merry talon
which higher authorities? mojang?
unreal quarry
and i will never agree with it
stiff yarrow
I personally wouldn't circumenvent the EULA but I don't see anything wrong with what they are doing
merry talon
so you're arguing that higher authorities should ban it because higher authorities have banned it
stiff yarrow
the EULA is a bit ridic tbh
acoustic pilot
The EULA is not a legally binding contract.
unreal quarry
here we go
placid thicket
that depends on what country you are in
stiff yarrow
Billy that's a different argument than your previous one
acoustic pilot
Mojang is completely within their right to blacklist servers for violating the EULA
But they have no legal recourse
It's not a legal contract.
So if Mojang truly wanted to stop this
unreal quarry
you're bypassing that blacklist, though... purposefully in bad faith
acoustic pilot
@spare venture Yes, within their legal right
merry talon
You went from arguing for the eula's existence to arguing for not circumventing it
placid thicket
china for example, just jailed a large amount of PUBG cheaters for breaking their EULA
merry talon
I dont understand your position
acoustic pilot
@placid thicket That's China. In the US and Europe, EULAs are held to a different standard.
stiff yarrow
I think the claims of children being exploited by p2w servers is greatly exagerated
unreal quarry
i cant wait until some rich motherfucker gets bored enough to take all this crap to court
merry talon
How can you say circumventing it is in bad faith? Developers have families to feed
unreal quarry
sadly, i'm not rich enough or i would
acoustic pilot
Mojang has the technical capacity to completely block servers violating the EULA, btw
They choose not to.
That's really where the line needs to be drawn.
Mojang either blocks it, or they don't.
Clearly, they aren't blocking it.
The "soft block" is a bit meaningless.
acoustic pilot
Yeah I think it got all the newcomers and small servers in line
But the guys who dig deeper eventually find out it's toothless
I'm curious how much of a deterrent it's played
I definitely don't agree that it's exploitation in any serious sense.
placid thicket
my guess, as it has been with everything else is once the EULA has been around long enough they will start hard enforcing it. but only time will tell
unreal quarry
do you even hear yourself? "they arent blocking it"... they gave us all an EULA, we all agreed to it. a lot of people went against it.. so they made it more lenient and started enforcing it with a blacklist. that sounds like an attempt to put it under control if i've ever heard one. yet, mojang is the bad guy here even though the servers in question are bypassing this attempt in bad faith.. its ok, because they arent blocking the bypass. shame on you. for real. thats the most immoral backwards ass thinking i've ever heard
acoustic pilot
Tbh all the loot box controversy is bullshit too.
stiff yarrow
my POV
first of all, I wouldn't personally violate the EULA, this is just my opinion on this whole thing
- I think its a bit ridiculous to enforce your morals on other people
- What's wrong with charging adults money for things they are willing to pay for
- I think the claims of children being exploited is a weak argument and I think its grossly exagerated
- If you don't want to play on a p2w server then don't, I wouldn't play on one personally
merry talon
who are you to decide people are bypassing it in bad faith lol
unreal quarry
oh, so theres a good faith bypass? i'd love to fucking hear this shit
merry talon
just like who are mojang to decide people are selling stuff in bad faith
yeah, the good faith is people having families to feed and not hurting anyone by selling god damn perks
stiff yarrow
if someone is violating a license I think that is not something you should do, but I personally am not deeply offended that they are doing it
acoustic pilot
Mojang doesn't think like that IMO. They aren't out to blacklist servers they dislike. Pretty sure there's a report queue
Which is why the blacklisting always seems so random
unreal quarry
its clear i'm surrounded by immorals that just want money. you people do you, i guess. one day it'll catch up to you. i'm out of this
acoustic pilot
Well that's why don't put a lot of time into enforcing at all
If they really wanted to enforce it, they'd make a proper thing
stiff yarrow
billy I'm not sure I see where you are coming from on this issue, yes violating a license is bad but its not a heinous act imo
unreal quarry
@spare venture i'm not even talking about you and your server. i'm talking about the immoral ones like byte's and the "major servers" he keeps defending
acoustic pilot
@spare venture It's OK to want to be compensated for your time.
stiff yarrow
I don't think you can say that because some servers are operating immoraly that the freedom to run your private server the way you want to should be taken away
merry talon
Yes, because having perks that people willingly buy in order to be able to continue providing everyone the entertainment of running the servers
is immoral
acoustic pilot
Clearly it's better to shut the servers down!
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byte
acoustic pilot
And displace those thousands of players
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ur serbur is trash so yes
merry talon
Like already mentioned, it's capitalism
placid thicket
its not about perks. its about making the game unfair for those who cant pay
stiff yarrow
I ran a MC server for many years and I never offered a single P2W perk, and I don't look down on people who do tbh
merry talon
this being minecraft doesn't change anything
acoustic pilot
@placid thicket This is why the concept of choice exists.
pulsar wigeon
i look down on everyone
acoustic pilot
You cannot reasonable make an argument that there is no non-P2W alternative out there
stiff yarrow
@placid thicket but that's a weak argument too, you have the freedom to play on servers that are not P2W
acoustic pilot
If there's demand for non-P2W, then someone will supply it
pulsar wigeon
tbh everyone's argument here is weak and mojang/microsoft is allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with their product
just saying
acoustic pilot
@pulsar wigeon Well I never disagreed on that point. I even reinforced it.
pulsar wigeon
like nossr is saying enforcing other your morals on others is bad
but uh....isn't that what he's doing?
acoustic pilot
I simply disagreed on the idea that they had any legal authority on the matter.
placid thicket
if there are no rules against P2W, what is to stop every server being P2W. the EULA DID cut down quite a bit on them
pulsar wigeon
oh, you are entirely wrong there byte
stiff yarrow
I don't feel particularly strongly about it, mojang is within their right to act how they want, I just don't really understand why they care
acoustic pilot
In some instances it's been ruled binding, few instances, but in general it's been tossed out and there's enough precedent for that @pulsar wigeon
pulsar wigeon
notch days are gone boyo
merry talon
what is to stop every server being P2W? the same thing that prevents every multiplayer video game from being pay to win
whether or not people will play it
acoustic pilot
EULA as a contractually binding document has been tossed out many times
pulsar wigeon
until someone disputes it in court, they 100% have legal authority
stiff yarrow
@pulsar wigeon Notch was the one who originally had the anti-p2w in the license
stiff yarrow
yeah that is how I view it too, I don't know why Mojang is trying to enforce it
or why they care
merry talon
that's the entire basis of capitalism
acoustic pilot
I'd argue they're half-ass enforcing it, which is worse.
Why leave room for ambiguity?
placid thicket
its not about paying to get in, or paying to get cosmetics, which are allowed. its about litterally being barred from playing chunks of the game when others are not
stiff yarrow
selling cosmetic capes are speficially named and disallowed in their EULA
merry talon
should we do something about that?
acoustic pilot
Actually @placid thicket, there is no middle ground. If you sell something that takes another player 30 seconds of voting or grinding to acquire, it's still against the EULA.
merry talon
like make first class illegal?
acoustic pilot
That tells me Mojang is not really interested in the specifics
placid thicket
capes are out cause mojang is being tight about them, which is stupid
stiff yarrow
Capitalism is a beautiful system
acoustic pilot
If there's even a smidgeon of advantage, it's forbidden, no room for interpretation for them :<
acoustic pilot
It's funny because I'm generally anti-capitalist, rather, I don't support the right/Libertarian view of capitalism, I like a regulated capitalist system like Sweden/Norway/Finland etc
so my argument seems kinda weird lol
stiff yarrow
I'm not familiar with a regulated capitalist system
merry talon
The regulation wouldn't need to exist if people weren't stupid
acoustic pilot
@stiff yarrow It's called Social Democracy, a form of capitalism where the needs of the people come first
stiff yarrow
I'm not familiar with that system
acoustic pilot
@stiff yarrow Things like universal healthcare, increased social welfare, tighter market regulations
merry talon
I mean it's the same type of regulation that net neutrality was, yeah?
acoustic pilot
It's a more constricted form of capitalism
static badge
so basically communism? 
placid thicket
at the end of the day MC needs a EULA. the one we have is not perfect by any stretch but it exists for a reason
merry talon
leaf
if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard
acoustic pilot
@static badge whoa, you have to get to socalism before you can reach communism, and capitalism is fundamentally incompatible with socialism, so social democracy is more of a mix between capitalism and socialism
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot I suppose I don't object to any of those, I don't know the details of the market regulations though
acoustic pilot
@stiff yarrow Take for example the higher quality of market regulations in the EU in general, like there are many things the US cannot export to the EU because it doesn't meet regulations, for example much of our food
stiff yarrow
that doesn't seem like its inherently connected to capitalism to me
static badge
are you arguing against my meme post
stiff yarrow
seems more like food safety
unreal quarry
@spare venture you hit the nail on the head. like i have fun doing it, growing a community, but I wouldn't do it if i was losing money every month you can do that within the EULA. hell, you can even turn a profit quite easily while staying EULA compliant. I'm talking about the EULA violators that are only out to maximize their profits. Byte is complaining his server made $5k/mo when he went compliant. its not fun for him. its a job. thats the kind of b.s. i dont agree with.
static badge
u must be a communist then
static badge
only a true communist would defend communism
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry what is wrong with it being a job
unreal quarry
๐คฆ
acoustic pilot
@stiff yarrow wrt capitalism, a better example is universal healthcare or other kinds of social welfare and worker's rights
care before profits
worker's rights before execs
merry talon
it doesn't matter if you CAN stay afloat while being compliant
stiff yarrow
it sounds like you are just objecting to a free market to me
merry talon
like it's entirely irrelevant
acoustic pilot
Correct, it's a less free market
Nobody has a truly free market any way
Not even the US
Although the US is much less regulated
stiff yarrow
talking to billy
acoustic pilot
Oh okay
lol
The Libertarian view of a free market is totally unregulated. A truly free market.
unreal quarry
fun fact: did you guys know I often sell /fly on my server, while still remaining EULA compliant... its what keeps my server paid for each month instead of out of pocket... its not hard to be compliant and still remain alive
acoustic pilot
The Social Democratic view of a free market is kind of the opposite.
stiff yarrow
at the end of the day billy byte was selling things to willing customers, I can't object to that morally
merry talon
what you're saying is meaningless
stiff yarrow
adults made informed decisions to purchase goods he was selling
merry talon
just because something can be survived through doesn't mean it should be
acoustic pilot
Oh and it wasn't my server specifically, those numbers were for a different server, but yeah that did happen.
static badge
are you retards still fighting over politics
static badge
wiz
acoustic pilot
copy pasta incoming
pulsar wigeon
dw leaf i gotch
at com.sk89q.worldedit.bukkit.BukkitCommandInspector.testPermission(BukkitCommandInspector.java:80) ~[classes/:?]
ur a furry
placid thicket
changing the subject, i cooked burgers today for the first time ๐ they turned out very well
unreal quarry
last time i cooked burgers the meat fell apart into the grill. i also dont cook things regularly, and was very high at the time. i havent tried to cook burgers since
static badge
roasting a byteflux is easier though
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry should have mixed in egg
pulsar wigeon
acoustic pilot
_>
acoustic pilot
on into the grill
unreal quarry
^ "here kids, sloppy joes! just eat around the bits of charcoal"
merry talon
you can recover it fine
acoustic pilot
thought he said on the grill
merry talon
it just might not taste great
acoustic pilot
like it was a george foreman or something lol
because that's probably what my ass would make a burger in
merry talon
frying pan or bust
unreal quarry
i'm really bad at preparing food, though. even the simple things i often fuck up. like, for real. i'm banned from even using the microwave
acoustic pilot
"no, you can't use the microwave, last time you fucking put foil in it"
unreal quarry
i blew up hotdogs in it :3
acoustic pilot
I love cooking, just so bad at it
static badge
how'd you blow up a hotdog m8
vestal jasper
static badge
north korea is interested
unreal quarry
kinda like this (ignore the bread, not my pic, from google)
static badge
maybe they could use that technology to advance their weaponry
unreal quarry
it makes a HUGE mess when its already prepared with chilli and all that
merry talon
chili 
slender pivot
woven otter
Has anyone tried integrating with paypal ?
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to call here:
https://developer.paypal.com/docs/checkout/reference/server-integration/set-up-transaction/#on-the-client
static badge
ur banned from everything
unreal quarry
wasnt my fault
woven otter
how does one get banned from paypal ๐ค
unreal quarry
refusing to pay chargeback fees
woven otter
oh lol
merry talon
what dont you get about that code?
pseudo island
wrongthink
placid thicket
my burgers are delicious. real tasty
unreal quarry
it only counts if others feel that way too, @placid thicket ๐
pulsar wigeon
nah
if you cook for yourself you just need to think your own food is good
doesn't matter what anyone else thinks tbh
woven otter
@merry talon I'm not sure what I'm supposed to use in fetch()
merry talon
your API?
placid thicket
pinepapples on pizza is holy
golden gust
You should seek a professional
woven otter
@merry talon I get that. I mean I'm not sure if I need something additional for it or what. I'm just confused
unreal quarry
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merry talon
I'm just as confused as you are
at what your actual question is
that's an example for how you would use your previously set up API to create a payment in your application
placid thicket
hamburger patty, rice and eggs, mmmmm
woven otter
well I followed that example but i'm confused what I should actually use in that fetch method.
I mean i'm not sure if by following that example i'm supposed to implements something additional.
merry talon
you would use.. the path to your API
of course you have to have the backend already
you can't process payments on the client
woven otter
well I implemented this part:
https://developer.paypal.com/docs/checkout/reference/server-integration/setup-sdk/
- the part up until that client part:
https://developer.paypal.com/docs/checkout/reference/server-integration/set-up-transaction/#on-the-server
merry talon
- Set up your server to receive a call from the client
If you've done that you should know where to send the request
have you.. ever made a REST API before?
woven otter
not really
https://developer.paypal.com/docs/checkout/reference/server-integration/set-up-transaction/#on-the-server
I have done the second part
dunno if my paths are wrong or what but it doesn't want to work
it's just invalid json
merry talon
I.. you would know exactly which path to use if you implemented an API already
these examples are just request handlers
you need to actually pass those to an endpoint with a web server like express
woven otter
well I implemented what was show in the example
and tried to use the response from CreateOrder::createOrder()
pulsar wigeon
ok, time to make /undo work from console
golden gust
gg, and yes plz
static badge
episode 4 of "wiz pretends exceptions don't exist by adding useless features"
golden gust
You can cause that one normally
pulsar wigeon
is //chunk //set ##*minecraft:signs normal?
golden gust
Not 100%, but is a sign of how easy it is given how much you are over the limit
pulsar wigeon
lol
cursive junco
glass vapor
well pre3 for 1.14.3 still looks shit
cosmic raft
@pulsar wigeon what does that mean? //chunk //set ##*minecraft:signs
golden gust
Going to guess that means it's referring to a tag?
pulsar wigeon
uh
it's technically standard + extra syntax
one of the # is for worldedit pattern recognition, the * is for generating random states instead of using the defaults
note that that's a pattern and not a mask
fleet maple
pulsar wigeon
@cosmic raft you should really just open up a recent worldedit and type //set , there's a bunch of suggestions and stuff now :P
wide hazel
?
cosmic raft
@pulsar wigeon I will once you fix it
SSL is still broken for https://builds.enginehub.org
cosmic raft
@sharp sentinel fix please
pulsar wigeon
do you want me to validate your file hashes for you lol
i mean tbf
that's a valid cert
it's just for marconi.sk89q.com
which is another service that used to run on the box
sharp sentinel
Not my box either ๐
pulsar wigeon
o wait really
wide hazel
@meager perch thanks, I'll take a look at the plugin and see if I can talk to the author
sharp sentinel
Iโm not running the builds site yeah
pulsar wigeon
@cosmic raft https://ci.enginehub.org
sharp sentinel
Itโs for some archaic PHP version that I canโt run ;P
Hence why Iโm rewriting everything
pulsar wigeon
lol
wide hazel
Ah, excellent
sharp sentinel
I know PHP - but I need to run a newer one for other reasons
fleet maple
Hi does anyone know if the damage past world border is a something that can be adjusted?
sharp sentinel
And itโs easier to rewrite than to learn Laravel enough and to reverse engineer skโs weird database layout
wide hazel
Yeah, I'll discuss with Luck. I believe the security manager is either blocking Reflections from being loaded or used
void void
anyone used Loterry Plugin?
cosmic raft
@pulsar wigeon neat
its nice and easy
:: [kashike@keres] ~
$ fuck https://ci.enginehub.org/repository/download/bt10/11991:id/worldedit-bukkit-7.0.1-SNAPSHOT-dist.jar
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
100 2386k 100 2386k 0 0 8344k 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 8344k
curl: Saved to filename 'worldedit-bukkit-7.0.1-SNAPSHOT-dist.jar'
:: [kashike@keres] ~/temp/fuck
$ java -jar craftbukkit-1.14.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
Loading libraries, please wait...
[18:14:38] [Server thread/INFO]: Starting minecraft server version 1.14.2
[18:14:38] [Server thread/INFO]: Loading properties
[18:14:38] [Server thread/INFO]: Default game type: SURVIVAL
[18:14:38] [Server thread/INFO]: Generating keypair
[18:14:39] [Server thread/INFO]: Starting Minecraft server on *:25565
[18:14:39] [Server thread/INFO]: Using epoll channel type
[18:14:39] [Server thread/INFO]: This server is running CraftBukkit version git-Bukkit-43431ba (MC: 1.14.2) (Implementing API version 1.14.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT)
fuck
wide hazel
apt install thefuck
marble summit
Hey, i am working on a KillStreak / Bounty System for a Plugin of Mine, but have come accross an issue
What if the player had a friend or other account that they just keep killing to get their bounty up then kill them on the other account for the rewards over and over?
Do you guys have any ideas on possible ways for me to fix this problem.
So far i've come up with make KillStreak not go up if you kill the same player more than like 2-3 times in a row
void void
that's pretty much the correct thing to do
marble summit
Yeah that is an issue too
void void
you can do that AND use a rate limit, so that it doesn't completely nuke the edge case of a small server using it where the frequency of killing the same person repeatedly may not be a sign of abuse
marble summit
rate limit?
void void
yea? like if they kill the same person 2-3 times then block them from receiving points for killing that person for like 10 minutes
but after that, let them again
marble summit
So then like if player a killed player b player a would have to wait x amount of time before their killstreak would actually update when they kill the user
Yeah
That makes sense
This plugin keeps getting fancier and fancier i've been working on it all day
wide hazel
https://i.imgur.com/w6esp0u.png
@jade mountain why do you hate me? ๐ฆ
and sponge
oof
yeah, no wonder AntiVPN doesn't work with that plugin loaded
just blocks everything
void void
wait wat are you doing
void void
what's that do, block outgoing net requests?
wide hazel
this plugin was causing it: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/networkinterceptor.53351/
void void
or just log
wide hazel
block
void void
oh
marble summit
private Map<UUID,Map<UUID,Integer>> killAmount = new HashMap<UUID,Map<UUID,Integer>>();
private Map<UUID,Long> killCoolDown = new HashMap<UUID,Long>();
Welp time for teto to get started on the cooldown system
wide hazel
I do like the idea, but it hurts
marble summit
What idea
wide hazel
the idea of the plugin
muted niche
@wide hazel did you want to test GriefDefender? I forget
marble summit
NetworkInterceptor?
muted niche
I have a 1.14.2 version now
wide hazel
oh, shit, it might be a bit late for me to test that plugin now xD
buut I can send it to someone who might be interested
muted niche
just have them msg me if they are serious about testing ๐
im just working on logo/wiki now then ill be submitting to spigot
wide hazel
I messaged them
muted niche
thanks!
wide hazel
np!
void void
anyone used Loterry Plugin?
asking multiple times will not magically make someone show up
you sure?
100%
why?
wide hazel
looks like NetworkInterceptor has blocking disabled by default and the mode is on "blacklist"
so that helps
muted niche
@wide hazel https://github.com/lucko/NetworkInterceptor post issues here
merry talon
don't waste your time
void void
yes it's obviously gymblonski
wide hazel
you'd have to use whitelist mode with blocking enabled for it to affect Anti-VPN. Maybe. Let me try from scratch
muted niche
Luck is pretty fast at responding to tickets
wide hazel
I mean, I can't really call it a bug if it's doing what it's designed to do
muted niche
you can create a ticket to ask
wide hazel
true
let me test from scratch and see if it causes issues first
with default config
cosmic raft
@merry talon dance! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTsW30Ur0sg
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void void
@merry talon stfu
merry talon
still not banned b t w
void void
how bout you just leave my dude, you're just rude and spammy
ok
and refuse to go to proper support channels
lmao.
what channels?
link
-.-
Perhaps replying to the discussion thread for the resource, like a normal sane person
void void
๐ฎ
merry talon
@cosmic raft miley
cosmic raft
just listen to it @merry talon
merry talon
i am
cosmic raft
it's from blackmirror
cosmic raft
@void void https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQyzn3CWJuM
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void void
nice beat tho
merry talon
s t i l l n o t b a n n e d
void void
how many alts you think that dumbass has
fallen oracle
I'm laying in bed and I hear Michael Jackson faintly being played out my window ๐ค
cosmic raft
@merry talon who
void void
alts?
merry talon
that guy
void void
zeyrox, boss, gymblonski
obv same person
i am kashike too
and 1 more guy i cant tell
Amouranth
yes im sure you are
fallen oracle
Kash, please just get rid of this dude. He's been harassing people in here for hours on multiple accounts just because he was trying to get help with a plug-in that isn't for this channel at all. Billy already put him in his place and he continues to just harass other people in here it seems.
fallen oracle
@cosmic raft
fallen oracle
Thanks ๐
void void
although i wont be surprised if he has more alts
fallen oracle
He's got one more in here idk if it's banned or not
fallen oracle
Ahh okay awesome.
cosmic raft
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void void
"I maced myself right there in the police station!"
fallen oracle
Kash what projects you working on?
cosmic raft
lots; elaborate on the question for specifics
fallen oracle
What do you actively work on besides Paper
cosmic raft
heh
void void
inb3 "lots; elaborate on the question for specifics"
unreal quarry
purpur just made its 100th public build \o/
cosmic raft
take your pick
void void
fak
unreal quarry
is that it, kash?
void void
yay
unreal quarry
^_^ kash is in everything
kash is secretly nsa with a foot in the door of everywhere
void void
Sometimes I go repo surfing on github and look at commits and it's like
"kashike commited ...."
everywhere
i s2g
like magic
cosmic raft
:))
pulsar wigeon
did you check out WE kash :^)
cosmic raft
yes; and I follow it on github which is why you see me pop in on PRs sometimes
@void void yes, everywhere
pulsar wigeon
i mean, did you see the suggestions
pulsar wigeon
cuz you were asking about patterns before :P
merry talon
kash works for nvidia and epic games
cosmic raft
@spare venture @merry talon https://pyx-1.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=220 password = skcidfogab
void void
when am not invited but join anyway 
wide hazel
that's why
it's just an "oh, oops" moment from whoever originally created the Velocity version of ACF
but yeah
oops.
cosmic raft
ah I missed that in your PR
wide hazel
I missed it originally too until I looked at the final jar size
and then ran into issues with my CL
unreal quarry
i believe transitive dependencies were brought up to aikar before and his official response was to dont be dumb and use includes/excludes
wide hazel
I can't exactly do that
limber knotBOT
If I start a 1.14.2 vanilla server can I move it over to paper once 1.14.2 is officially released for paper? Or will the data be different?
wide hazel
I mean, it's a tiny change to ACF anyway, and it's not like he shades Bukkit into his Bukkit version @unreal quarry ๐
pretty sure it's just a mistake
not a big deal. Because I download + inject (and search for updates to snapshots) my plugins will automatically update anyway
just gotta wait is all
limber knotBOT
So... are the world files portable between paper/vanilla/spigot/etc? Reason for asking is that I'm trying to spark up a quick server for my son's sleepover party, but I want to keep it later and move back to paper. Unfortunately my current setup is limited to paper 1.13.
they reeeeally want a 1.14 world, and there will be disgruntled kids if I start up a 1.13 world
unreal quarry
you can startup a 1.14 world in vanilla and be able to convert it to paper later
you would have less lag if you just used paper now, though
limber knotBOT
Billy - perfect... THANK YOU!!
I know.
paper has been unbelievable, but I just can't get a paper 1.14 going quick enough
(I use a canned dcoker container from itzg which isn't set for paper 1.14 yet)
acoustic pilot
someone kill me plz so i dont have to write all these javadocs
wide hazel
what's a documentation?
wide hazel
oh, is it that indian guy on YT that tells me how this other library works?
acoustic pilot
Yeah basically the cleaned up version of what I gave you for your project
with multi-platform support
wanna make sure it's well documented
fallen oracle
Good shit
unreal quarry
๐ฆ my thumb wont stop itching where i sliced it open yesterday. making it hard to concentrate on anything :S
wide hazel
yay infections!
cosmic raft
what did you do
unreal quarry
i was cleaning the blades on my printing press at work and slipped
those things
they get sharp as fuck after use
unreal quarry
yup. thats my job. my press is about the size of a school bus ^_^
wide hazel
haha, yeah
I remember
grandmother used to work as chief editor at our local newspaper
unreal quarry
i print on plastic. i make the advertising banners you see at events and such, and also barricade tapes like the police line do not cross stuff
needless to say, i learned the hard way why my boss insists on wearing the chainmail armor when cleaning the anilox blades :S
cosmic raft
lmao
fallen oracle
So you essentially have the power to print out a big banner for Paper and put them up places.
fallen oracle
Dang
fallen oracle
Is it... A paper plate?
wide hazel
unreal quarry
lmao
wide hazel
goddamnit
fallen oracle
Called it
wide hazel
beat me to it
merry talon
how much does a billboard cost?
spare rivet
unreal quarry
Here's part of my chainmail armor I don't wear lol
fallen oracle
Minecraft IRL
merry talon
where did you get the fire from? wtf
unreal quarry
Mordor
unreal quarry
idk. i just make banners and barricade tapes, not sell billboards ^_^
void void
das wat i mean how much for a big ass banner
void void
rip
unreal quarry
i'm not privy to details like that
just checked my job's website, its request a quote
so who knows
void void
requests quote for papermc banner
unreal quarry
i do know its a 4 banner minimum simply because it costs so much to setup the machine and stuff
plus the plate cost
and whatever markup
void void
requests quote for 25 papermc banners
unreal quarry
takes about two hours to do a 4 banner small job including all the pre setup and post cleanup. i get paid $20/hr, my assistant gets $18/hr, and idk how much my boss makes, or the salesman, or the cost of the materials, or the plate cost, etc etc. maybe $1000?
unreal quarry
ikr, i wanted to order banners with my own logo, but then i thought about all the costs and didnt even try for a quote
void void
Maybe one day 
unreal quarry
i know this one costs $200
only because i fucked one up and my boss said "well there went $200"
void void
๐
void void
jeebus
Idk how it works do you have to actually manually do something to 'print' (?) the letters on there
like, for the entire roll
unreal quarry
nah
that one i print like 8 "rolls" on a single 48 inch big roll
then it goes to another machine to get sliced down into 8 smaller rolls
void void
o:
void void
ah makes sense
acoustic pilot
For any licensing experts, importing something that's GPL means you have to choose either LGPL or GPL for your project's own licensing, right?
void void
aren't you supposed to call and ask what's buried there before you build tho
or is it different per state
meant dig not build
unreal quarry
yeah, but you're talking hundreds of miles sometimes. not everywhere it marked afaik
that orange one we sell in bulk, like 500 rolls at a time
void void
ah ok
unreal quarry
thats a lot of miles :3
void void
yea
lmao
I wonder what the process is if you actually pull that shit up, do you call and ur like "i fucced up"
unreal quarry
no clue
merry talon
@acoustic pilot yeah? That's where 'GPL hell' comes from