#general
safe silo
brazen barn
Hrm. Using Thunderbird for the first time. Where tf do I click to add more accounts?
I'm right and left clicking all over the place
ooof that's convoluted but I found it
fast solstice
brazen barn
@stiff yarrow hey mate my players are wondering how long the server would be down if I threw MCMMO on it real quick. Is the configuration/setup up pretty quick?
stiff yarrow
you don't have to configure it if you don't want to
its designed to not need to be configured unless you want to make it grindier, which is the main thing people adjust
you may also want to turn on RetroMode as not everyone is a fan of the new scaling system
brazen barn
new scaling system?
stiff yarrow
I'd be more than willing to help you out in the mcMMO discord but I don't really want to spam the paper discord with mcMMO discussion
brazen barn
ah for sure
kindred herald
pulsar wigeon
nossr tries hard to act nice and caring with his users
since they are basically his livelihood
halcyon perch
he's a good person
fallen oracle
@pulsar wigeon You're aware that WorldGuard on Bukkit downloads WorldEdit, right?
halcyon perch
so, I don't want to install yet another plugin, especially since I want to use the default worldborder, but it is nigh on impossible to find a plugin to just fill in the map
fallen oracle
halcyon perch
I'd love to find the owner of the sk89q website
I paid to renew his domain name about a year ago because of the manuals
pulsar wigeon
uh, looks fine to me glare?
fallen oracle
April Fools?
pulsar wigeon
😡 f u
fallen oracle
Okay I'm not going crazy, I just refreshed the page again
It keeps switching back and forth
pulsar wigeon
i think curse is playing pranks on you
fallen oracle
It probably is cause now it says worldguard again
halcyon perch
Possible they have load balancing and one of the 2 sites the use is out of sync
fallen oracle
That might actually be possible
stiff yarrow
I mean they let an obvious download botter go unpunished for years
at this point I doubt anyone works on curse bukkit
pulsar wigeon
someone still approves files there apparently
pulsar wigeon
yes
but in dbo they don't have automatic approvals
probably from back when the bukkit project cared
stiff yarrow
how do we know anything has been approved
stiff yarrow
I mean if they share the same DB
pulsar wigeon
it's "waiting" or "under approval" for a good few hours
wide hazel
@meager perch send me a list of plugins that you use when you can
want to try to reproduce this
stiff yarrow
Oh
pulsar wigeon
i mean
heady spear
I don't think they actually check the files
pulsar wigeon
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/bukkit-plugins is curseforge mirror of dbo
but in dbo it requires a manual approval
heady spear
I accidentally uploaded the wrong file and they approved it, wasn't even a plugin
stiff yarrow
I am seriously doubting there's a review process
pulsar wigeon
(and yea i doubt they look, probably just a button click)
when i upload worldedit forge
it's like, 5 seconds for approval
heady spear
Also, I managed to rename PlotSquared and then I can't name it back because it says the name is taken
by us.
😠
So we're Plot² now.
pulsar wigeon
have you contacted support lol
heady spear
nah I don't care enough about p² lol
halcyon perch
What does your plugin do?
stiff yarrow
downloads are meaningless now that zombiestryker has gone unpunished
heady spear
I added my jenkins API wrapper and the plugin doubled in size, even after having removed unused shaded dependencies 😛
stiff yarrow
worn ember
oh hi mark
heady spear
a stinking turd
worn ember
suits you 😃
stiff yarrow
now the only decent metric would be something like bstats
heady spear
is zombie the one that force downloads updates?
pulsar wigeon
yes
stiff yarrow
yes
pulsar wigeon
force downloads period
stiff yarrow
but that is not why his downloads are so high
pulsar wigeon
not just updates
stiff yarrow
hes also download botting
worn ember
metric
muricans get triggered
heady spear
bstats is cool because it gives clip material for his download circlejerk
pulsar wigeon
idk about that nossr
papi is getting rekt tbh
worldguard gonna overtake it soon
:^)
heady spear
It should
stiff yarrow
@pulsar wigeon couldn't find the smoking gun when decompiling his code
pulsar wigeon
i mean
heady spear
WorldGuard is quality plugin
pulsar wigeon
we found the downloader being retarded
heady spear
PAPI is literal turd
pulsar wigeon
til he changed it to the github one
stiff yarrow
yes but nothing that would net you 30m
stiff yarrow
I don't remember us finding anything like that
heady spear
nossr is old man and forget many thing
worn ember
in what?
stiff yarrow
in his plugins
heady spear
sry for weird grammar haven't had much water today
stiff yarrow
they all "auto update"
worn ember
who's plugins, who the hell we talking about xD
stiff yarrow
zombie stryker, ultimate scumbag
heady spear
I would add an auto updater to my plugin
worn ember
never even heard of the dude
worn ember
dafuq is DBO 🤔
stiff yarrow
hes more successful than positions #2-#10 combined
heady spear
it's not like we make money off of this shit
stiff yarrow
worn ember
just because you dont
stiff yarrow
heady spear
am not american capitalist swine
worn ember
no ur a sewer swed
pulsar wigeon
4 curse pts lol
stiff yarrow
I haven't made any curse points
heady spear
I do care loads about community so I offer quality entertainment for free money
pulsar wigeon
like, per month or?
worn ember
i think total LOL
heady spear
I don't get anything from PlotSquared
I did get curse premium or w/e it's called from chatclear tho
so I could download multiple wow addons at once
very useful
worn ember
feelsweak
merry talon
so I could download multiple wow addons at once
worn ember
i only have 1 mod though
merry talon
hold up
worn ember
so i guess its not that bad
merry talon
what do you mean multiple at once
pulsar wigeon
unlimited downloads simultaneously
heady spear
press press press many download concurrent
pulsar wigeon
throught eh curse client
pulsar wigeon
"update all" and you get like all of them at once
heady spear
makes for very fast setup to pwn european noob
merry talon
retarded that that's not free
heady spear
yes so it took loads of time
pulsar wigeon
i mean
heady spear
yes very dumb make pwning hard.
pulsar wigeon
they had to make money somehow
merry talon
how about
worn ember
dead game
merry talon
make a good product
heady spear
wow not dead
pulsar wigeon
for a very long time
heady spear
There is still a huge community of pvp bots to play against
worn ember
dont you pay for wow monthly anyway?
pulsar wigeon
i mean, now it's twitch launcher and shit
stiff yarrow
@pulsar wigeon back in the day you had to run like 100 addons too
nowadays like 10 addons do the job 100 used to
pulsar wigeon
i know nossr
heady spear
Yes, you pay for expansions and then you pay for game time
pulsar wigeon
i still have 100 addons
merry talon
idk there are other ways to stay afloat than artificially constraining people
stiff yarrow
sweepy
stiff yarrow
spoken like a naive individual
merry talon
what about that is naive lol
worn ember
And you wonder why you dont have friends
heady spear
I have friends. You don't. Therefore that wasn't really that good a joke tbh
pulsar wigeon
they all suck tbh
matrix used to be full of malware
dunno if that's still the case
heady spear
I've never had success with anything but the curse/twitch launcher
stiff yarrow
city you could start by charging money for your products
pulsar wigeon
someone wrote a python wrapper for curseforge api though
stiff yarrow
works for me 
heady spear
Although, I mostly dealt with private servers and then you would need to install them manually either way
stiff yarrow
that's unfortunate
heady spear
and spend 900 years finding compatible versions
pulsar wigeon
lol
as disappointed as i am with the state of wow atm, private servers have always sucked imo
heady spear
https://www.reddit.com/r/IBO/comments/c00e4o/hello_fellow_ib_students_word_has_it_there_will/
This is actually kind of funny. Very out of context here though, I suppose. It's funnier if you know about IB exams, but it's still of some value here
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Hello Fellow IB students. Word has it there will be a new IB course... : IBO - 33 comments, 415 points - Aqxxon, 1d ago
stiff yarrow
never played private
heady spear
Private servers used to be a lot of fun, back around the cataclysm days. There used to be actual communities, something that wow has always lacked imo
worn ember
i was always too broke to play wow
heady spear
^the real reason I got into wow private servers
they were free to host. Although, I had my crappy school macbook back at the time
and I couldn't get trinitycore to compile, so I had to use a premade launcher that never worked
Sad times. That's also how I got into programming.
worn ember
fbi arrests me and goes through my programs
i wasnt planning a terrorist attack or anything, i swear
heady spear
plz don't explode the youtubes
they are doing a good job imploding on their own, let that happen
worn ember
i'll host it on my 25gb vps
heady spear
but let's only host those weird edited family guy compilations where they cut out all of the jokes
worn ember
so basically its just the whole episode?
wide chasm
oof
pulsar wigeon
🤢
heady spear
The Orville was horrible though.
a million ways to die in the west was also genius 😛
shy urchin
void void
It's my sister's birthday and my niece just came in and showed me the card she made and she goes
"I messed up on her face
So I made it black."
heady spear
arrest her for blackface
Or make a really angry tweet about it
you need to publicly shame her
void void
heady spear
is she a part of the kkk?
cosmic raft
unreal quarry
just woke up. how's 83 treating everyone? any servers blow up from it?
brazen barn
anyone here using dynmap?
I just installed it and can't get it to where people can access it from the net.
Added a TCP/UDP port fowarding rule opening external port 8123 pointing towards internal port 8123.
Told friend to enter my IP (same he uses to connect to server) into a web browser and no dice. Then tried adding :8123 to the end and no dice.
No idea where else to ask these questions btw so if anyone has a "general minecraft server help/discussion" discord server, I'd love to know it.
merry talon
VS code changed that ugly blue bar to grey 
limber knotBOT
term: you should only need tcp forwarding, no udp
and maybe you have to open that port in your firewall
stiff yarrow
what's the context James
strange bane
It's a command to update our server.
Check for updates, backup, stop, backup again, download and start.
Paper.
limber knotBOT
stiff yarrow
Oh I see
limber knotBOT
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stiff yarrow
I prefer shake it off 
pulsar wigeon
soo anyone have a test server with anticheat and block logging want to test a secret cool new feature :^)
strange bane
If you want the source you can have it, it's just bash but it's pretty specific to how our server is setup.
ancient bolt
could just gist it
strange bane
Well, it's tmux, curl and bash.
ancient bolt
What if paper added a commandline option to let MC behave more like a daemon?
where it wouldn't log to stdout & require tmux, instead you'd control it by sending commands to the daemon
would make it a lot easier to use systemd with it
pulsar wigeon
do free anti cheat plugins even exist anymore .-. NCP seems ded
stiff yarrow
working on anti-cheat would be pretty shitty if you weren't printing money
crimson lodge
@wide hazel I couldnt pm you, but i want to inform you about a bug on your latest update of AntiVPN-bungee. https://hastebin.com/zodunesaba.sql I am getting this in the console on startup
strange bane
https://gist.github.com/Blazzike/b997e66c83f9fb69889b7740432d33f8 here's the startup script, feel free to let me know if I've done anything "wtf" in it, this is my first time using bash. Pretty sad it doesn't support objects which is why the servers are space separated.
lapis sequoia
today is a sad day for me guys
ive finally moved on to better plugins
somebody give me a hug
merry talon
@strange bane https://www.shellcheck.net/
wide hazel
@crimson lodge that error only happens with BungeeCord (not with Waterfall) - it's ugly, but completely harmless
pulsar wigeon
who is adrian 
merry talon
bunch of errors there
lapis sequoia
my servers version of herobrine
this fella
xD
idk why i just made him a meme on my server
strange bane
Oh, well I didn't post it specifically to find issues, just in case anyone wanted it. Neat website though thanks."Double quote array expansions to avoid re-splitting elements" what does this even mean?
Specifically the "re-splitting elements" part.
worn ember
first one to like gets free discord nitro 
strange bane
That website is so good for learning bash practices. ty again sweep yo face.
worn ember
good
pulsar wigeon
huh
ancient bolt
@strange bane you can fake bash objects with arrays and variables
FIELD_NAME=1
OTHER_FIELD=2
...
ARRAY=(<things>)
thing=ARRAY[FIELD_NAME]
or wrap the array in ${} or w/e
syntax for bash arrays is never clear
strange bane
So what would <things> be?
void void
varName = (eleOne eleTwo eleThree eleFour)
crimson lodge
egg82 ❄Today at 8:26 PM
@crimson lodge that error only happens with BungeeCord (not with Waterfall) - it's ugly, but completely harmless
Oh okay, thanks
void void
eleTwo = ${varName[1]}
strange bane
Hm, I don't understand. How does that help make fake objects?
void void
because you create your array and it kind of acts like a tuple where you can just grab the items out? it's not an object in the typical sense, but you can pretend like it is :>
ancient bolt
and you can name variables to be your indexes
So it sorta looks like you're accessing fields
strange bane
Oh, I get it. I don't mind having to use numbers, it's more just not being able to store multiple bits of information together in an array element.
I wish it was more like JavaScript.
void void
strange bane
array=({name: "Example" color: "red"} {name: "Example2" color: "blue"})
${array[0][name]}
I guess.
void void
just use js at that point lmao
stiff yarrow
using JS in a bash script 
void void
^
stiff yarrow
the shake emote was for you simple 
strange bane
I was thinking about it but I thought streaming Paper's output through NodeJS wouldn't work right.
void void
yes i realize it is not js
and i wasn't saying use js in bash
i was saying if you want it to be so much like js, then just use js
:>
strange bane
Also, glad I used bash just to learn it.
This was my first project genuinely using coder server, really love it! 😄
stiff yarrow
from the context he was just learning stuff not trying to do things in a JS way 
void void
i just showed up didnt read, fek u
ancient bolt
honestly use go
it compiles quickly and is easy to setup, doesn't require huge dependencies or difficulty
but it's really clean for small stuff with type inferencing etc
and compiles to a native binary that doesn't require an external runtime
unlike JS, Java, Python, etc
strange bane
I've done very small amounts with go, plan on learning it properly soon.
I wanna learn it just because it's GC + super fast.
stiff yarrow
define super fast
strange bane
It's faster than every other language I know.
ancient bolt
What languages do you know?
stiff yarrow
ancient bolt
It does have a small memory footprint considering it's GCed, so that's nice
It's just missing so many language features it's a total pain to use for large projects
project I'm working on is just over 6800 lines and it's already a total pain
strange bane
All the mainstream web ones, I guess Bash now, Java, SQL (lol) and PHP I think.
ancient bolt
Java is faster than go
ancient bolt
not at startup time
strange bane
Really? O.o
ancient bolt
Java's GC is extremely high throughput and compacting, which Go's isn't
so yeah Go brags about having slightly lower pause times than the JVM, but it's not accurate
overtime go's GC will slow down as it's not compacting
strange bane
Oh, also no runtime required for Go that's another reason I wanted to learn it.
ancient bolt
yeah, the single binary output is a nice feature
strange bane
I know you can package Java applications with Java but it's not the same.
strange bane
Yeah you can turn them into EXEs.
stiff yarrow
for what windows?
strange bane
Yeah, I guess it does other formats too I only used it for exe.
I can't remember what the program was called to do it.
ancient bolt
launch4j
ancient bolt
it packages the Jar inside the exe
limber knotBOT
minecraft does it too xD
stiff yarrow
yeah that doesn't sound smarto
ancient bolt
It's nice for UX
if you have a small application
larger java apps like intellij and smartgit just use their own custom launchers instead
stiff yarrow
doesn't IntelliJ have its own thing
stiff yarrow
custom launcher
strange bane
I wish Java's building tools were smarter. Like it just knew "You don't ever use this part of this library so I won't package it" I know you can specify parts not to be packaged but I can't be bothered.
ancient bolt
@strange bane you can accomplish that with proguard or shade
but it's impossible to know that for sure
edgy solstice
ancient bolt
reflection can access any class at any time
stiff yarrow
but I meant wasn't its bundled JRE special
ancient bolt
oh yeah jetbrains has a custom JDK which improves things like font rendering and window management
stiff yarrow
yeah
ancient bolt
but it's such a large application already bundling that isn't a huge deal
stiff yarrow
that's what I referred to
strange bane
Everything about Java makes me assume it's pretty slow. Interesting that it's... not.
ancient bolt
java is fast for the usecases it's good at
which is long-running applications with large memory churn
no other language can compete with that workload
strange bane
I am getting mixed objections here though, some people say Go is faster.
stiff yarrow
?
ancient bolt
if you have short running apps then java's startup time will add up, if it's not long running enough then the JIT won't properly optimize code
Yeah online people are stupid
Go is faster for it's use cases, where a smaller memory footprint is needed with lower startup times
ancient bolt
but if you tried to accomplish with go what java can do with spring or tomcat it would be horrific
stiff yarrow
the JVM does a bunch of optimizations during runtime
strange bane
Interesting.
ancient bolt
java is also not a closed world system
with java you can add and remove code during runtime at any time
the JVM will just handle it
very very few runtimes can do that, and the ones that do usually lose efficiency
in java, all code added at any time will run just as fast as any other code
limber knotBOT
also you can optimize stuff without actually having to change code just by tweaking how the jvm works :D
ancient bolt
yeah, go is a "knobless" GC, in that it only has 1 or 2 settings to modify, it tries to be a one-size-fits-all solution
Java takes the opposite approach, making it much more complex, but much more flexible as well
I'm a professional Go and Java developer
strange bane
It would be amazing (I know it would be slow) if you could use Reflection to change method bodies, like JavaScript.
ancient bolt
I've spent a lot of time learning and comparing these two languages and their runtimes lol
you can change method bodies by modifying classes during classload, but that's it
if that was an available feature the JVM would take a massive optimization hit
classloading itself is a fairly unique feature of the jvm
stiff yarrow
classloading 
limber knotBOT
sponge's mixins modify methods and stuff at runtime btw ;D
(or do I misremember that?)
ancient bolt
they do, and all of forge does, by modifying classes at load time
void void
looks back at bank ECM software, where SQL procedures were preferred over writing scripts for whatever goddamn reason 
exotic burrow
void void
Anyone know how to fire everyone from jobs?
static badge
has there been any tumor growth in my absence
limber knotBOT
Are there any tools to make it easier when working with multiple versions of the same api? Say if you're trying to support Spigot 1.8.8 through 1.14.2 and Paper. Just to make sure I don't inadvertently use methods from Paper in my SpigotEventListener class, as they should only be in PaperEventListener which is only registered if the server is paper.
pulsar wigeon
import control
i mean, you could submodule but that's a bit unnecessary
given that all of paper's api lives in paper's namespace
static badge
except our method additions for bukkit
pulsar wigeon
(as far as event listeners go anyway)
void void
^
pulsar wigeon
yea
void void
such as the one I added on Block, getSoundGroup
pulsar wigeon
i guess test/submodule
void void
is not in spigot
mfw i had never heard of the country Bhutan but TIL their king is called the "dragon king" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigme_Khesar_Namgyel_Wangchuck
Anyone that uses Jobsreborn how to fire everyone ?
literally fireall as per the resource page
secondly, that plugin has its own discord, ALSO on the resource page
fireall doesnt work
thats to fireall 1 player from all jobs
Then go ask in their discord
thats dead discord
We are not the place to ask specific resource questions
kk
So anyone uses Jobsreborn?
merry talon
vestal jasper
mfw plugin author has conversations disabled
pulsar wigeon
who would want to converse with the ragged plebian masses
vestal jasper
there's 0 way to contact him outside of discussions
so if someone finds an exploitable issue it has to be shared publicly
🤠
vestal jasper
Whoktor, RandomTP
Not to say I found an exploitable issue
But I find it odd that you're FORCED to use discussions
stiff yarrow
why you DMing him
vestal jasper
- Plugin permanently applies DAMAGE_RESISTANCE 100 to each player that randomly teleports until they log off
- Plugin's source is bundled with the release jars, and his TOS says no decompiling or modifying
stiff yarrow
RTP looks easy to clone
lol is he doing dmg resist because he teleports people in the air?
such a lazy plugin
vestal jasper
I only use his because per world RTP cooldowns, something I can't find in another
stiff yarrow
because what?
vestal jasper
sorry accidentally ommitted a word
vestal jasper
Can't afford that rn
stiff yarrow
this sort of plugin you should be able to make yourself tho
looks about as basic bitch as it gets
vestal jasper
I also have numerous other plugins I have to maintain / create
void void
@vestal jasper check DM
vestal jasper
Issue is I don't want to modify each time he updates it and I don't want other servers to experience the same issues
gusty idol
Does anyone here use coc.nvim?
vestal jasper
I don't do DMs
void void
yo
is there way to fire all from jobs
or any file i can delete so everyone loses their jobs
if you dont use dms
gusty idol
If yes, how can I go to the definition of a method? I'm using the coc-java extension
vestal jasper
fireall like others said
or look in the plugin's data directory, gym
unreal quarry
@void void... again, there is a Jobs Reborn discord server specifically made for these types of questions
vestal jasper
The discord isn't moderated or used by the jobs people btw
They actively ignore it
unreal quarry
not my fault. its linked from their Jobs Reborn project page hosted on SpigotMC
thats their official support line
void void
yeah 1 more question and thats it
vestal jasper
vestal jasper
Have you looked in it?
void void
where
vestal jasper
The plugin's data directory
Anyway I find it pretty pointless / useless to have a discord, link to it in the plugin's page, and then turn around and say it isn't for support.
unreal quarry
so you'd rather help him here instead of the proper space dedicated for such help? makes sense @vestal jasper
smh
vestal jasper
I'd rather not help him at all
void void
bro i cant find file with all players
that picked up jobs
what si the name of that .yml?
so i delete it
vestal jasper
It's not a yaml file it's an sqlite db
void void
should i delete that?
vestal jasper
...
vestal jasper
In other news the reel to reel I bought has a tube preamp built in
void void
so should i delete that?
fallen oracle
What are you planning to do with that? Aren't those older things?
void void
vicarious?
fallen oracle
It seems he has given up trying to help you since you apparently are dumbfounded by the situation.
unreal quarry
@void void you really should use the proper support lines given to you
void void
@fallen oracle you asking me?
the default jobs max is 3
i set it to 1
now everoyne that picked up 3 jobs
fallen oracle
I wasn't asking you lol, I was stating the obvious.
void void
they still have 3jobs
unreal quarry
🤦
fallen oracle
Yes because that's not going to change it since you made that after the fact.
There's no "simple" solution to that.
void void
yes and is there way to fire all
so they need to pick up jobs?
where are they stored
unreal quarry
dude...
fallen oracle
You do realize that plugin has a personal support Discord, right?
unreal quarry
he refuses to use it glare :/
void void
ok
vestal jasper
Discussions page for the resource also works
If they're unresponsive in their discord
void void
and you telling me to ask them
no one from here uses DMs
so i need to type here for him
vestal jasper
Yeah the jobs people are... interesting
fallen oracle
Or just go ask in their Discord.
vestal jasper
One of the jobs dev seemingly completely forgot how their events worked and how events are called in general when I submitted a PR recently
void void
i am asking people to come DM
merry talon
wow it's not even worth sugar coating how fucking dumb you are
marble summit
fallen oracle
Lol really? Interesting.
last sparrow
@merry talon your mom is dumb bitch
vestal jasper
Yeah I copied and pasted one of their events, and copied and pasted how they call / handle their events, and he tried to get me to change it because it didn't follow how java works
merry talon
shell vine
void void
lol
fallen oracle
Very interesting.
vestal jasper
Was uhh... an interesting situation
fallen oracle
I would give them the benefit of the doubt because it's a bigger plugin, but that's probably not the case here.
Anyways I'm ready for a fat nap.
vestal jasper
They seemingly forgot that generics aren't pass by reference
the guy that reviewed the PR, that is
void void
glare your avatar is so good
fallen oracle
I never understood why people instantly attack people's mother's when they get mad at each other.
pulsar wigeon
generics aren't pass by reference what does this even mean
static badge
vic ur retarded
vestal jasper
?
void void
haha
pulsar wigeon
generics aren't pass by anything
vestal jasper
hold on
fallen oracle
I heard you the first time, thanks.
void void
okey nice so now tell me do i need to delete jobs.sqlite.db
fallen oracle
Lmao
void void
ahhahahahaha
void void
everyone will lose their jobs?
fallen oracle
Correct
void void
sure?
vestal jasper
fallen oracle
Yes
vestal jasper
He tried to get me to ignore the result of the event because he assumed the values would automatically be mutated
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link
vestal jasper
He removed one of his comments before marking it as resolved
my IDE randomly decided to switch from their tab tabbing to space tabbing tho so the formatting is extra weird
also
tab tabbing
vestal jasper
I followed their naming conventions
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vic
vestal jasper
I made the event to look EXACTLY like it would if they made the code
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vic
vestal jasper
leaf
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that's not their naming conventions from what I've seen
vestal jasper
It is in their other event
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all their variable names I can see are lowerCamel
vestal jasper
void void
anyone uses here jobsreborn?
fallen oracle
Ooo tropical smoothie Cafe is giving out free smoothies if you walk in wearing flip flops
void void
@merry talon or your mom?
fallen oracle
See, again with the your mom stuff, are you 10?
merry talon
unreal quarry
@void void you just missed him. i kicked him for being ignorant as fuck thinking this was the proper place to ask support questions about jobs reborn
void void
why he calls me stupid?
merry talon
because you're evading kicks with alt accounts?
void void
what?
merry talon
after repeatedly being told that we cannot help with your issue
void void
you kidding me? i have only 1 acc
merry talon
right
void void
@unreal quarry check when i joined
fallen oracle
The broken English is fairly similar
unreal quarry
i never said you were an alt. i'm just saying what happened to the last guy lol
merry talon
I mean yeah he's been plagueing this server for a while now
it makes sense that the alt joined a while ago
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sweepy
fallen oracle
Billy, any update on the case?
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has anyone informed you that you're probably retarded
merry talon
only one who keeps informing me that is also undoubtedly retarded
unreal quarry
@fallen oracle unfortunately, I'm no longer allowed to talk about it until its over (per lawyer's demands)
merry talon
so idk if I trust it
unreal quarry
will do
void void
can i call my lawyer for this?
fallen oracle
No
void void
sure?
upper flicker
What even
void void
fallen oracle
Don't even bother trying to understand Z.
It's not worth your time.
Boss, talk to Gym.
You guys both seem to have the same issues.
merry talon
void void
cant talk anymore he will kick me
fallen oracle
DM him
unreal quarry
take it to jobs' discord then. at least you'll both be in the right place then
fallen oracle
Seems like your both SOL. I'd head back to the Jobs Discord.
void void
i dont need to tell you 20times same thing but ok
unreal quarry
it wont be inactive if you both are in there being active with each other 😉
fallen oracle
I mean at least you'd have more ideas?
vestal jasper
https://giphy.com/gifs/aris-80s-1980s-hacker-l46C6sdSa5DVSJnLG gym and boss rn
placid thicket
you guys ready to have your mind blown?
vestal jasper
no
unreal quarry
maybe
placid thicket
give this a quick listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6wetFR9Lfo
vestal jasper
what's up flamingo milk
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Cuil Theory - length 5m 46s - 2,559 likes, 72 dislikes (97.3%) - 106,037 views - niraha on 2013.02.19
astral marsh
sorry for interrupting, but something strange happens. When I join my server, with custom server resourcepack, the prompt disappear instantly when it appear, anyone else had similar issues?
void void
@merry talon suck my dick?
unreal quarry
@astral marsh once you've answered the question for a specific server your client remembers it
logout, go to edit that server, and change it to prompt
merry talon
still not banned btw
fallen oracle
What the hell is this @placid thicket😂😂
vestal jasper
joins
pings someone and calls them a dick
looks like it might be an alt to me
astral marsh
but it's set to prompt, i can see the prompt for like 1 tick before it disappear
vestal jasper
or they're taking grudges from other servers here
placid thicket
@fallen oracle the truth
strange bane
Are there any popular Java 8 features removed in later versions?
fallen oracle
This is so weird it's funny 😂
strange bane
Features that were in 8 rather than added in 8.
placid thicket
incrimental CMS was removed at some point
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idk probably some deprecated api that nobody uses or knows exists
void void
wtf :\
fallen oracle
I give you a hamburger.
placid thicket
there are children crying now
fallen oracle
I like how it just cuts out
placid thicket
7 is just too far beyond you
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the only notable changes in 8+ is "ripperoni sun.misc.unsafearino"\
fallen oracle
Why does it just go silent for 2 minutes
placid thicket
because you are not of a high enough intelect to understand any further
fallen oracle
Ahh
placid thicket
but i actually think it has to do with how youtube compresses and monitizes videos or something
fallen oracle
I don't even know how to make plugins so that'd make sense as to why I don't have the intellect to understand the rest.
unreal quarry
@placid thicket i'm waiting for "you are the hamburger"
placid thicket
perhaps we all are the hamburger
fallen oracle
It all makes sense now
placid thicket
perhaps the hamburger is everything and by eating it we become nothing and full of everything
fallen oracle
I think I pinched a nerve in my back, hurts like hell. I need to eat a hamburger
unreal quarry
well, good thing i didnt eat a hamburger today. i just had chips and queso
fallen oracle
Damn now I want some of that
placid thicket
i give you a hamburger
fallen oracle
Looks like a plugin doing that
astral marsh
i use GPack, but it was working all the time
fallen oracle
What's Gpack
unreal quarry
nothing server side can close that window
astral marsh
ye
unreal quarry
thats got to be some client mod interfering
astral marsh
and the plugin just kicks player if he declines the resource pack
strange bane
Even if another menu opens, Billy?
astral marsh
i was using optifine, then switched to vanilla to check if the issue is still here
and it is
i will check on older versions, maybe its mojang issue
unreal quarry
@astral marsh if you set it to true instead of prompt, do you get the resource pack?
unreal quarry
ok, so its not a bad link then
hmmm
looks like the inventory update closed the window
fallen oracle
It's annoying that texturepack links won't download behind CloudFlare links
unreal quarry
you had no items, window opens, then you had items, and window closes
try disabling whatever plugin is updating your inventory
see what happens
placid thicket
@fallen oracle you can make it work, but the link has to be specially crafted to trigger the download rather than going to the download page
unreal quarry
same for dropbox ^ for dropbox add &dl=1 to the end of the url
anyone here us fabricmc client mods? i'm trying to figure out where the mod lists is (similar to what forge had, where it shows loaded mods and details about them). i'm assuming one exists because i was able to add an icon.png to my fabric mod, just cant figure out where its used
astral marsh
I use dropbox link and even with dl sub-domain and &dl=1 it seems not to work, i just removed PlotSquared, because as I remember thats the plugin which replace the inventory and I'll see
strange bane
It's generally a good idea to self host the resource pack, unrelated though.
astral marsh
I'm using shared-hosting so I'm not sure if it gonna work
strange bane
void void
oh boy....
unreal quarry
that honestly seems like trouble :3
acoustic pilot
lol
unreal quarry
if i was a host i'd be trying to block that
acoustic pilot
Google Drive or Dropbox over a Bukkit-based webserver any day of the week lmao
elder sable
if only you all goys cared as to what happens to your hosted stuff after your hosts shuts down, we'd have less problems in future
void void
wat lol
elder sable
it gets lost 99% of time
acoustic pilot
Long-term redundancy isn't exactly easy
elder sable
thanks for nothing
acoustic pilot
Even giants shut down or change
void void
wait what are we talking about, res pack hosting?
elder sable
anything
void void
fallen oracle
Well I mean you can just have it be a zip file
I've tested with a typical zip file on a url behind CloudFlare and it always failed.
astral marsh
oh, i already tried to put in in accessable directory on my webpage
but it just didn't download resource pakc
elder sable
A lot of stuff was lost with dropbox shutting down public folders
next minecraft forums crippled
if mediafire started deleting stuff, there'd be no place to get some mods/whatever from
astral marsh
idk if thats issue of GPack plugin or anything else
void void
minepack is good lol
astral marsh
anyways, it was caused by inventory update
acoustic pilot
@elder sable So if even Dropbox can't manage long-term redundancy of hosted content, wtf makes you think the average developer can?
astral marsh
better question is how to fix that, it's probably WE/WG 7.0 or MySkin
i disabled both at once
gusty idol
Is it fine if my library is a plugin and not just a package that you can include in your plugin's JAR?
acoustic pilot
It is but it's probably not as recommended, but that might be my personal preference
Because then you have multiple plugins using that same, ONE VERSION of that library
Which can be a hassle
Shading the version you need/want per plugin makes more sense to me
gusty idol
The thing is I want my library to only have 1 listener for InventoryClickEvent and InventoryDragEvent to handle GUIs
acoustic pilot
If it's all internal and you maintain all of the plugins that hook into the library, then it's fine really
This is more of a concern where multiple plugins from disparate sources are hooking into different versions of the library
unreal quarry
thats something you'll have to recreate using vanilla mechanics and report to Mojang to have it fixed @astral marsh. I suggest using a 2nd player to help recreate it. One of you login to a vanilla server, let the resource pack window open, then the second player throws an item at the first one. When the item is picked up the resource pack window should close and you have something to show Mojang.
elder sable
reuploading is possible: especially archive.org
p2p proves high survivability
gusty idol
If each plugin came with its own packaging of my lib then there would be multiple listeners and GUI events would be handled more than once
Which would be an issue
acoustic pilot
It's really not an issue
Since GUI libraries that are shaded in exist
So obviously it's trivially done
Without conflict
astral marsh
@unreal quarry I have to first check if that's for sure inventory issue or MySkin's skin update on join
fallen oracle
I mean if we got places dedicated to resource pack hosting, then that's pretty dope.
gusty idol
Here's my InventoryClickEvent listener
Inventory clickedInventory = event.getClickedInventory();
// If the clicked inventory isn't a GUI
if (clickedInventory == null || !(clickedInventory.getHolder() instanceof GUI)) {
return;
}
GUI gui = (GUI) clickedInventory.getHolder();
if (gui.getUnhandledSlots().contains(event.getSlot())) {
return;
}
event.setCancelled(true);
Button clickedButton = gui.getButtons().get(event.getSlot());
if (clickedButton != null) {
clickedButton.getListener().handleClick(
(Player) event.getWhoClicked(), event.getClick()
);
}```
1 listener already handles ALL GUIsSo 2 listeners = events are handled twice
acoustic pilot
Cool, but that's just because that's how you designed it
It doesn't have to be designed that way
You can have a listener per plugin that is bound to that specific plugin
gusty idol
But then each GUI would have to have its own listener
astral marsh
it's MySkin, so Mojang can't help me with that
acoustic pilot
Which is probably the approach you'd take if you were shading the library per plugin
gusty idol
Hmmm
acoustic pilot
I mean this isn't exactly hard
There are libraries that exist already
Which are meant to be shaded in
And offer GUI APIs
astral marsh
i'll just report issue to the author and hopefully he decide to fix it
thanks for help guys
acoustic pilot
You do it however you wanna do it, because it's your thing, but don't frame it as a technical limitation 😉
It's a limitation specific to your design
unreal quarry
@astral marsh ah, well that doesnt sound fixable. to change skins on the fly like that plugin does you have to recreate the player instance. which, well, closes any open windows
gusty idol
But isn't it also good to only have 1 listener for all GUIs?
acoustic pilot
No, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter how many listeners you have in most situations.
gusty idol
The server is tortured less
acoustic pilot
That would be you demonstrating a lack of understanding of the server's event system
gusty idol
A while ago you guys told me that each instance of my GUI class having its own listener would be a bad idea
strange bane
How safe are Linux symlinks? Will I be able to symlink a Paper directory and start it using the symlink path?
acoustic pilot
GUI listeners are the last thing that would ever be stressful to the server in terms of the actual GUI-specific event listeners.
gusty idol
As it would "torture the event API"
acoustic pilot
I don't remember that really.
gusty idol
acoustic pilot
it's not one you have to take
astral marsh
is it possible to send specific resource pack to player?
gusty idol
Hmmm
acoustic pilot
And it's not really "torture"
astral marsh
using spigot api
acoustic pilot
There's plenty of GUI libraries that are per-plugin btw which you can see for yourself.
Trying to find one
There was one I liked sort of
fallen oracle
@astral marsh I think there are events for that, yes.
acoustic pilot
The listeners in that plugin are not at all intensive and having one per plugin would not be "torture"
In that library, I mean
This is all it does lol https://github.com/MrMicky-FR/FastInv/blob/master/src/main/java/fr/mrmicky/fastinv/FastInvManager.java#L40-L86
gusty idol
OH
// This prevent to uncancel the event if an other plugin cancelled it before
if (!wasCancelled && !e.isCancelled()) {
e.setCancelled(false);
}```Why didn't I think of that
stiff yarrow
@gusty idol reducing the amount of listeners is not a performance optimization, I don't even think you could detect a measurable difference doing so
gusty idol
Huh
acoustic pilot
Saying the # of listeners isn't very relevant
From a performance standpoint
It matters what those listeners actually DO
Not how many there are
But GUI handling is very, very lightweight
As you can see from that link
gusty idol
Well if I had per-GUI listeners
Each listener would cast event.getClickedInventory().getHolder() to a GUI
Check if it's == this
Then, check if the clicked slot isn't one of the "unhandled slots"
Then check if there's a button in the clicked slot
gusty idol
And if it got here without returning it would call the button's listener
fallen oracle
I like peanuts
gusty idol
Same
golden gust
I mean, I wouldn't go crazy with listeners, they're still not free but the # isn't a concern for most, the only thing you /really/ wanna avoid is dynamically un/registering them
acoustic pilot
Yeah
Dynamic registration has to sort all of the listeners again for that event, doesn't it?
golden gust
Yup
stiff yarrow
@gusty idol stuff like that is never worth optimizing for outside of working on some ancient hardware with severe limitations
modern computers do it effortlessly
gusty idol
acoustic pilot
You can still do the "one plugin library" idea if you want, like I said for your own stuff that's easy to manage
It just becomes a bigger problem if you intend on sharing it
And having others use your library
gusty idol
If I had per-GUI listeners wouldn't I have to find a way to clean listeners of "dead" GUIs
acoustic pilot
Like imagine if ACF was a plugin instead of a library, that other plugins had to hook into, and then ACF rolled out an APi-incompatible update that fixed important things
lol
gusty idol
If I had per-plugin listeners I wouldn't have to worry about cleaning the listeners up
merry talon
@strange bane you'll need to elaborate
gusty idol
I assume that registering listeners and never unregistering them increases memory usage?
acoustic pilot
@gusty idol You're over thinking it. These are micro optimizations. Just do stuff until you feel it being slow, then optimize.
Don't prematurely optimize.
merry talon
yeah the fs handles it
gusty idol
Ok
acoustic pilot
You won't know what is fast or not until you do it and gain an experience of it
Eventually you'll learn what needs to be optimized
golden gust
but MAH NANOS
merry talon
I mean there may be some differentiating factor
strange bane
Is there any overhead? I want to have a new folder structure but I don't wanna break backups.
unreal quarry
nvm about my fabricmc question. found out you actually need a 3rd party mod to get that mod listing similar to what forge has :/ oh well, i've added support in my mod
strange bane
So they're not as terrible as Windows symlinks, eh? 😛
acoustic pilot
Maybe we'll get real symlinks in WSL 2
merry talon
well I dont think NTFS has real symlinks
upper flicker
NTFS has real symlink
fallen oracle
If we're looking icky
golden gust
symlinks are safe, but I wouldn't use them for your server jars
merry talon
o
acoustic pilot
junctions, they're called, right?
fallen oracle
What's your go-to thing for a CDN when you have to update plugin jars across 20+ servers?
upper flicker
Going to push a box tonight to test WSL2
It was like 9minutes benchmark to build paper from start to paperclip end
acoustic pilot
@fallen oracle Not CDN, you mean deployment?
upper flicker
I wrote it down somewhere to test
acoustic pilot
Deploying all jars to all servers
upper flicker
So we’ll see what the overhead on their VM is
acoustic pilot
Once upon a time I used to store my server and the plugin jars in a git repo lol
Nowadays the place I work at has a deployment system 😛
fallen oracle
Oooo never thought of that
Yeah but I mean for a simple solution for the average player
That may not have access to a system like that. Can you not symlink plugins?
stiff yarrow
@gusty idol if something is expensive it doesn't mean you should avoid using it, typically you want to cache the results of expensive operations as you deem necessary, a lot of stuff you're asking about is micro optimizations, stuff that has almost no measurable performance impact
gusty idol
Alright
merry talon
you'll want the servers to pull it instead of pushing it to all of them
acoustic pilot
so... an auto updater?
merry talon
that's just a high level thing to keep in mind
acoustic pilot
lol
merry talon
no I just mean have something central that handles that
and somewhere in your entrypoints talk to that to see if there's something to get
acoustic pilot
You can still have it be centralized without the servers pulling
I'm just not sure why push-based implies decentralization as opposed to pull-based 😛
merry talon
You would push the message of an update
but you wouldn't push out the jar to them all
once they know of that they would pull it on next restart
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where do they get the jar
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from one place? 
acoustic pilot
I can see it work either way really
merry talon
well I definitely wouldn't overwrite jars in place lol
acoustic pilot
Nah, you'd want to have a folder
Where they go, and then the server would replace teh existing jars on boot or something
I think there already is such a folder you can use
fallen oracle
The update folder?
fallen oracle
Does that take affect regardless the plugin version?
merry talon
ah there you go then
acoustic pilot
That's where you'd dump the new jars in with your deployment system
merry talon
that is effectively the servers pulling stuff in
fallen oracle
Hmm seems cool
acoustic pilot
I think that folder has some requirements though
Like the jars has to be the same name?
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personally I think it's heresy for requiring restarts to pull the jars out and all plugins should be able to reload silently and without any issues