and I think that I was better off not knowing
#general
golden gust
void void
well cafebabe just mutilated you so
2late
Bishop, any phobias?
Yeah aphobophobia, the fear of people with phobias.
Oh.
ancient bolt
man I hope zgc can start to compete with azul zing's c4 GC
reading up on what c4 can do is amazing
puts G1GC to complete shame
but it's an enterprise-only product so normal people can never experience that
zgc can't use compressed oops on small to medium heaps, we'll see if that becomes a problem or not
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what size range is that?
ancient bolt
< 32G
ancient bolt
what? compressed oops only really matter in < 32G
zgc uses colored pointers so it has to keep using 64 bit pointers regardless of heap size
limber knotBOT
is the paper api 1.14.2 jar not deployed to the maven repo 🤔
static badge
oh that's what you meant
limber knotBOT
?
limber knotBOT
hm, strange, it didn't find it 🤔
ancient bolt
because of that smaller heaps will use more memory for allocations, which will result in less usable space in the same amount of heap as say G1GC
the question will be to see how dramatic that difference is
static badge
depends on how much of ur heap is pointers :>
ancient bolt
the near-pauseless performance of zgc may more than make up for that
Java is all pointers lol
static badge
yeah ik :>
turbid moat
It will be interesting, but I'd say hold back until things are stable for Java 11 in the first place.
ancient bolt
zgc won't be stable until java 13 most likely
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.opsian.com/blog/javas-new-zgc-is-very-exciting/ -- Java's new Z Garbage Collector (ZGC) is very exciting: "Aug 29, 2018 ... Java 11 features a new Garbage Collector, the Z Garbage Collector (ZGC), which is designed for very low pause times on huge..."
ancient bolt
jdk13 will increase max heap from 4TB to 16TB
G1GC could never handle a heap of that size
void void
jesus fucking what
ancient bolt
but zgc can handle it easily
void void
what?
turbid moat
ZGC is limited to 4TB
ancient bolt
shows how much better the technology is
golden gust
😄
static badge
time to buy 16TB of ram
golden gust
#MegaHeaps
ancient bolt
@void void yes
ancient bolt
few places can spin up shit like that
turbid moat
ZGC restricts itself to 4Tb heaps which require 42-bits, leaving 22-bits of possible state of which it currently uses 4-bits: finalizable, remap, mark0 and mark1.
void void
mc supporting 4TB heaps when
ancient bolt
@turbid moat the september 2019 release currently plans to increase size to 16TB
that's on the JDK roadmap
that's JDK13
turbid moat
Yikes, the OpenJDK folks are insane sometimes.
ancient bolt
Even places that can spin shit up in that size, you're gonna pay out of your ass for that
but AWS will happily do it if you ask for it
void void
what kind of machine
ancient bolt
it's AWS, it'll be a virtual machine made up for multiple physical machines
turbid moat
Just going out on a whim here, probably a virtual one.
ancient bolt
similar to how google operates their datacenters
they treat their whole datacenters as a single giant super computer with TB of ram and PB of storage
AWS does similar things
so they can just portion bits off virtually for their AWS allocations, and their hardware allocators just "figure it out" ™
turbid moat
in order to reclaim to 16TB, ZGC will probably have to make the change to use only 20 bits of possible state
which, saying they use only four, is totally possible
unless they do some trickery, that is
ancient bolt
The page for zgc doesn't say how and there doesn't seem to be a JEP related to it either which is weird https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/zgc/Main
but it does list it as a goal
void void
@ancient bolt the fuck they do?
and do they not partition them down more?
why
what the fuckeroni
ancient bolt
@void void what?
void void
why have a gigantic machine with tbs of ram? I can understand the pbs of storage but
why
ancient bolt
Because it's more efficient for computers to handle resource allocation, mainly
void void
How is an entire datacenter virtualized into a gigantic computer helpful?
Do they not use single responsibility for servers?
turbid moat
as long as you keep processes isolated to core(s) within one machine, you can optimize greatly
void void
They just, load it all onto the monster and fire away?
ancient bolt
instead of having thousands of small servers and asking some person to figure out how to spread their services out across them in an efficient way (esp when they have hundreds of thousands of services)
turbid moat
That, and with their in-datacentre rates of transfer I wouldn't even sweat inter-core communication
ancient bolt
if they treat the whole thing as a computer cluster and just give it a list of services that need to be ran, the cluster itself figures out how to efficiently distribute everything
void void
I dunno I'm not a system architect but I can't even imagine that bullshit.
ancient bolt
simple: They just, load it all onto the monster and fire away?
yeah that's basically it lol
it's all about separation of concerns
void void
yea
ancient bolt
they put huge amounts of resources into writing extremely complex resource management software
but that's for team A to handle
team B doesn't have to think about any of that
etc etc
void void
for me SoC is to have multiple servers and put the services on each one, I have proxmox and it has a panel, each server is node; this makes a cluster. But I still have the control of what goes on which node
I can make VMs on node A and VMs on node b, and whatever that works
Is this what we're talking about or sometihng different entirely
ancient bolt
@turbid moat yeah their in-datacenter data transfer is likely on the scale of microseconds
turbid moat
that's where tools like docker swarm come into play
ancient bolt
@void void but what would you do if I gave you 1,000,000 services to deploy?
void void
cry and shoot myself
ancient bolt
actually, what if I gave you 20,000 developers all working on their own services that need to have their own deployment lifecycles and scaling requirements?
and they were all giving that to you constaly, 24/7/365
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I'd hire someone to do it for me
void void
I mean, if I have a cluster setup with nodes then at the beginning of a project they get their own VM on whateverthefucknode was available at the time and are given details, done?
ancient bolt
That's what Amazon, google, etc does, except that person is their datacenter teams and the cluster management software
void void
I guess I see what you're saying, I guess there is just some middleman software that creates the vms and handles the setup and shit? idk
ancient bolt
some teams need petabytes of data and terabytes of memory, some teams need very little resources but they need <10ms ping times to their users, some teams need the highest possible throughput between datacenters to transfer data between them
every project needs its own set of requirements
just handing out VMs won't cut it lol
void void
so how does this work differently, what is the actual stack, what is the process
ancient bolt
if it helps explain anything, kubernetes was written by google
lots of the "container management" we see came from these sorts of requirements
void void
I mean proxmox uses kubernetes lmao
ancient bolt
docker swarm came up specifically to compete with kubernetes
then you have shit like google's bigtable
hadoop being the open source "clone" based on the whitepapers about bigtable google has released
so "big data" was basically invented by these companies too
and now we have 2 employee startups trying to set up giant hadoop clusters to process a few hundred GB of data....
ugh that shit pisses me off
This "big data" (bigtable, hadoop, etc) shit is designed to process petabytes (or more) of data across thousands of servers
golden gust
GattaGoFast
ancient bolt
yeah but so many hipster devs don't know how to optimize a relational database
so they blame the tool instead of learning how to index their fucking data
acoustic pilot
you would have all of that data loaded and indexed into memory, too
as that's a really cheap/low amount of memory to have to deal with
a good CPU with plenty of cores and 256GB RAM, done
acoustic pilot
swarm is already for smaller deployments IMO
k8s isn't exactly lightweight on node requirements
limber knotBOT
honestly if you have one server and need container orchestration
acoustic pilot
alright* i mean
limber knotBOT
imo kubernetes is great if you have more than....3 servers
ancient bolt
void void
he is an actual cat
limber knotBOT
obviously, i am an actual cat
ancient bolt
night my client uses k8s pretty well across an AWS VPC with a few hundred servers
golden gust
^
limber knotBOT
k8s is great
also i've worked on Big(TM) systems for so long that a few hundred servers is a small deployment
whoops
void void
Yea how the flip do you even do whole VMs across physical devices. So if I order a xxxGB AWS that means I am not situated in a single machine but rather bits of it is in 10's if not 100's of machines?
ancient bolt
Eh this company isn't small by any means
Biggest mortgage company in the US I think
limber knotBOT
Friendly: w a t
ancient bolt
Definitely biggest digital mortgage company
limber knotBOT
no you're definitely on a single physical machine if you get an ec2 instance
your instance is just live migrated if a host needs to be updated
are you perhaps considering reed-solomon encoding?
void void
I was working for Rabobank but quit because they're all retards and now they got bought by a different bank lmao
ancient bolt
he's not talking about ec2
limber knotBOT
s/considering/thinking of
Correction, <night> are you perhaps thinking of reed-solomon encoding?
tropic flame
Reminder that if you see Sunday as the first day of the week you should reconsider if you're really smart
limber knotBOT
oh is he talking about S E R V E R L E S S
limber knotBOT
technically friday ends the week
ancient bolt
he's talking about the conversation we were having earlier about deploying shit across multiple terabytes of memory
worn ember
@void void are you German?
void void
@worn ember why
worn ember
Rabobank
cosmic raft
heh
void void
no I'm not German
acoustic pilot
Sunday is the first day of the week in the US because US, but Canada has no excuse
ancient bolt
@void void isn't from any country
void void
They are saying that AWS/Google/etc are deploying VMs in multiple machines. How do you even do that and how does one system know what to do and the other one catch up and etc?
ancient bolt
he's a free-range human
void void
^
worn ember
He from under the sea
void void
Rabobank is global though.
worn ember
Also wtf is this nick
limber knotBOT
Friendly: you just deploy the same image to multiple machines?
cosmic raft
@acoustic pilot first day of the week depends on the people here, just like some people use the US date format
limber knotBOT
i don't understand the confusion
cosmic raft
my calendars all have monday as SoW
void void
They went to California, renamed (in California) to Rabobank, N.A. due to laws or some shit. Then they just got bought by Mechanic's Bank 
worn ember
Sunday is the first day in JavaScript
void void
No I means they are talking about if you order 4TB VM your VM is "divvy" up into say like 10 or machines since no machine support 4TB.
acoustic pilot
@cosmic raft Ultimately I think it matters what the state uses 😃
ancient bolt
night I mentioned how these companies treat their compute resources as a single amorphous blob of resources (CPUs, memory, storage, etc)
acoustic pilot
Or designates as "official"
tropic flame
According to ISO, Monday is the first day of the week
ancient bolt
they don't understand how that's possible I guess
limber knotBOT
ah
limber knotBOT
google has been doing it since they existed probably
worn ember
If it's crazy and it works it's not crazy
limber knotBOT
google invented this field
worn ember
What did Bing achieve
acoustic pilot
porn
ancient bolt
@void void no way I'll be able to find the keynote
worn ember
Noce
void void
Yeah I didn't know that creating vms out of the context of a node worked.... For example in Proxmox, I can add many nodes to give the entire cluster a large amount of resources. But when I make a container, I still have to choose with node it goes on. So I didn't understand the middleware of it allocating cross-node.... :x
ancient bolt
but a few years ago google did a demonstration during google IO for GCP where they allocated 250,000 CPU cores in real-time for some process they were deploying
void void
Yea that's confusing on how they even DO that. Since there a lot of logistics that have to deal with. Even load balancing is PITR for say game servers for example. HTTP is a piece of cake but try to load balance players and you may be there for awhile. Now that thing they are doing is probably 100x harder.
ancient bolt
they can do shit like that because they basically turned their physical hardware into resources which can be shared like virtual commodities
void void
but how is what im interested in, how did they do that, wat can i read about this to learn
ancient bolt
how? a few million lines of code, at least
void void
so they wrote their own hypervisor? or
ancient bolt
worn ember
Just some ductape and some glue
ancient bolt
they wrote their own everything lol, every part of the stack, heavily modified linux kernels, transport protocols, hypervisors, controllers etc
google's whitepapers are where they release their research on this shit
worn ember
"whit papers" that'd racist
void void
gotcha lol
ancient bolt
idk how much you can really learn from it, but that's basically all the info the public has access to
void void
don't gotta freak out, I'm just wondering how someone who is NOT google could reproduce something LIKE this.
ancient bolt
you basically become a company with the same kind of resources that google has
void void
lol
ancient bolt
i mean to be frank, when you have to deal with the kind of traffic google / youtube deals with, you either invent a new kind of hosting or you die
void void
And are we talking about whole entire single processes right? EG like if I really could I could have a oversized game server assuming the game server could run on however many cores right?
ancient bolt
same thing happened with AWS / netflix
void void
so in other words there is no way to do this (i.e., no marketable product exists) to reproduce this unless you are a gigantic organization with a fuckton of resources to R&D
¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
@void void if only ARK did this
ancient bolt
correct
hadoop reproduced the technology of bigtable, but without the kind of hardware resources bigtable also has it's not all that useful
void void
and of course by "this" I solely mean having a vm is that using the resources of >1 physical machine
ancient bolt
and even the nI don't believe they've ever been able to reach the same performance numbers google put out in their whitepapers
I could be wrong about that though
void void
Insane, the only way I could see this benefiting is like getting rid of MMOG middlewares since the game could just run into one of these powerhouses that literally take up ACTUAL data center racks.
worn ember
I bet they just download more ram at like 1TB/s
ancient bolt
I'm no expert on how to actually use any of these services, night probably knows more than I do, but there's basically 2 ways to write software targetting this kind of deployment: 1. specifically writing code to scale across multiple machines and optimizing for it, or 2. writing code to pretend like you actually have 10,000 physical threads and assuming the resource allocator can optimize the rest for you
They've been getting better at #2 steadily for a while, of course the speed of light is making it harder and harder to improve at the same rate
void void
Exactly so it's getting more and more like a XaaS.
ancient bolt
We literally can't even make RAM perform close to anything like in-CPU cache because of how slow light is, imagine sharing RAM across multiple machines
there's certainly latency issues that have to be dealt with
worn ember
"how slow light is" it's the best we got tho cx
limber knotBOT
I'd assume it tries to optimize for the best
void void
Anyone heard of Simple Karma plugin? I really like the logics of it.
I think it's a good admin tool in the admin's arsenal. Surely it would be HORRIBLE to depend on this tool alone but together if someone is being a birch your asleep (and/or your staff(s) are) then people can just neg them and you see the rating. Then launch an investigation from there if your not sure they are legit off the bat.
moderating based on karma
I get it it's sounds hilarious but come on it got it's potentials.
Not really
I neg people just because
All the time
Just because I can
I'm ashamed to admit one of the first things I ever wrote was such a pvp karma system
limber knotBOT
not surprised
void void
why the fuck is my idea looking like this https://puu.sh/DAqHf/ed9ca02ec2.png
where is my tree view
golden gust
lol
void void
wat
wat r u talkin bout
I was paid for it at least
that was my intro to mc development
lmao
it did sql on main thread and commonly lagged out the server
it was great
Well you have to act like the customer's is riht.
(notice how I said "act like" over just "is")
golden gust
To be fair, Simple is also Simple
void void
If I get requested retarded plugins I tell the customer they're retarded
(that's also probably why I don't get many customers)
Your probably right, because a work order is a work order...
¯_(ツ)_/¯
People in the mc community commonly do this very request:
golden gust
Can confirm, he does
void void
"I need (KitPvP, Custom Enchants, Towny Extension) and I can pay $5."
"Need tomorrow."
golden gust
void void
That's not denying the request as being "stupid" it just a stupid request. Since that's unrealistic. Not because they want MineLittlePonies flying in the skies and they are willing to pay 300 dollars if it really good.
If they are willing to pay, then it's not retarded. I'll do whatever they want if they're gonna pay me fairly.
(I.e., normally at an hourly rate not fixed)
Exactly.
But all I ever get is lowballs and retarded 13 year olds in my dms asking for plugins
For a total price of less than an hour of what my work is worth
So "you're retarded" is my response
rare palm
?
void void
Though it's your project, that is still not nice. You could say things regarding like it's not feasible to do and etc instead and just close the request if they being annoying JUST to get it that X price.
golden gust
This channel is bridged to IRC, not does IRC support the concept of messages being deleted
void void
Yeah I know it's not nice
😹
But I'm not nice
So
Sometimes you may even win a customer later over that.
rare palm
Simple.. stop being simple and live your life to the fullest.
void void
EG if they expand later on knowing how much a plugin really goes for.
rare palm
And be nice
void void
shaddap bich
rare palm
No u bish
void void
bich*
rare palm
U biiiiiiig bish
void void
no u
rare palm
No i say bish
void void
no u
rare palm
No u
void void
Anyways I know people generally do hourly unless they do otherwise but I kinda not like that model since they can go to bathroom for 15 minutes while on the job and call that "bill able" without you knowing, or being slow, etc etc etc.
LOL
Seriously, it's not like it's on premise or something where you can make sure they are doing what they supposed to.
IDE time tracker. -.-
Tracks time spent writing and debugging code inside IDE
golden gust
That's why you go for reputable people
void void
That too
rare palm
Lol
cedar herald
When youre looking for another server because you need the extra power to satisfy the hungry beast that is paper 1.14
void void
Also here's how a flat rate works: MIN(NotToExceedPrice, (MIN(NotToExceedHours, Hours) * HourlyRate))
So pick your poison
Either way I'm getting my money lmao
I am sure some average it out or such. EG if a "small" plugin usually takes an hour they will just make that their hour's time worth and etc.
drifting prairie
cedar herald
Yes listen Raicahale
golden gust
That's flatrate
limber knotBOT
@Friendly breaks are part of your worktime too. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
You agree the price up front and that's it, if they get it out early, they get paid more /hour, if they get it out less, they get paid less/hour
limber knotBOT
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
void void
phoenix i'm using your inventory gui again
limber knotBOT
cool
void void
does pagination work now
rare palm
Youre sad, phoenix
golden gust
"an nao I need halp coz dum"
cedar herald
Why are some people bots tho
golden gust
IRC bridge
cedar herald
I've never seen dis
rare palm
Cuz they have no life @cedar herald
cedar herald
irc bridge because?
cedar herald
what's preventing them from using the discord client
limber knotBOT
it's shit
golden gust
The ability to not have to use the discord client, I'd guess 😄
cedar herald
wow
limber knotBOT
also doesn't run in my terminal
wanton tiger
I have a support question that isnt strictly paper related (though im running paper ofc) can someone give me a hand?
void void
?ask
cedar herald
golden gust
.ask
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
void void
wtf
golden gust
? isn't forwarded
limber knotBOT
tbh the bridge should just add (IRC) behind the name... the amount of people asking that is getting ridicilous
IRC <3 <3
rare palm
Phoenix
cedar herald
I guess I can see the appeal of using an irc bridge
golden gust
I really just go for my closest chat client, but wish I could stick to IRC 😦
cedar herald
Some people just can't get rid of it
rare palm
Can show me what looks like from your point of view?
limber knotBOT
switching channels takes way too long in discord
in irc I just press alt+<number>
cedar herald
Seems like a you problem
inland fiber
Anyone here good at Python :<?
cedar herald
I'm just fine with clicking on the channels thx
limber knotBOT
I need to adjust my theme, I've been a bit lazy, buuuut
void void
It's alt+{up,down arrow} in discord client phoenix
limber knotBOT
@exotic crest you'll have to switch server/guild first though
cedar herald
Wrong Anthony
rare palm
How can i use irc
limber knotBOT
@void void for getting to the active channel directly?
void void
?
golden gust
void void
can't jump to channel with activity afaik, but alt+{up,down} == switch channel relative to current channel
golden gust
(server list off off screen because I can't be arsed hiding stuff that isn't supposed to be known about)
wanton tiger
I'm trying to update plugins through multicraft, and the steps im finding online arent working. the 'update' option simply doesnt appear in my plugin list. the steps that arent working can be found here: https://stickypiston.co/account/knowledgebase/49/Updating-your-Plugins-using-Multicraft-Control-Panel.html
can i upload the updated plugin to my FTP files and just delete the old ones? (while the server is off ofc) and wil that continue to use my config files?
limber knotBOT
alt + arrows only switches to the next one
void void
@golden gust share secrets
limber knotBOT
can#t switch directly to a channel
golden gust
Just delete the jar and upload a new one?
limber knotBOT
or a channel on a different server for that matter
have to use the quickswitch I guess which are a lot more key presses
wanton tiger
yes, that is what im hoping will work
golden gust
Major gain of IRC is it's usage
limber knotBOT
ctrl+k is also an awkward shortcut for the quick switcher tbh, can't use one hand
or well, would need the right ctrl for that xD
WIth discord, you're stuck to a single client (officially), all of their design choices, good and bad, are forced upon you
void void
ctrl+alt+{up,down} to switch guilds, alt+{up,down} to switch channels; shift+alt+{up,down} = switch channels that have activity; ctrl+shift+alt+{up,down} = switch channels that have mentions; esc = mark channel read; shift+esc = mark guild as read; ctrl+b = go back
limber knotBOT
but there still is no indicator which channels have messages/mentions without switching to a guild :S
I guess I could completely mute channels I don't care about or something
With IRC I can use whatever IRC client I want (And there are mmaaaaanny), could also create my own if I hated myself as the protocol spec exists (albeit, people actually following it...)
void void
the guild has an indicator of unread, so guild switch. Then channels have indicators
I'm not shitting on IRC, I love IRC, just correcting that "there is no way" in Discord
rare palm
Wait Phoenix
void void
oh boy
limber knotBOT
IRSSI is user friendly :X
also discord doesn't have actions...
or chat colors
BUT ITALICS!
rare palm
Can you see deleted msgs in irc?
Like does it delete the msgs from ur screen as well?
limber knotBOT
Gotta remember how old IRC is :D
hm, I should write a script to find messages that are deleted in discord but not in irc...
Things like the ability to delete previously sent text was but a dream
s/dream/nightmare
Correction, <electroniccat> Things like the ability to delete previously sent text was but a nightmare
limber knotBOT
In the end, it's all the same baguette and wine
cedar herald
oh rlly
void void
where is your audience
void void
eh their network is typically well off enough that one of the coasts of the US can service the US audience
but yea central would be nice
cedar herald
Oregon isn't even shown in the picture of ovh data centers
There's just a line heading to it
limber knotBOT
Nah idk about US, datacenter links in France were totally crazy some years ago where far-away DC's with more hops between clients and server were better performing then Roubaix et cetera
cedar herald
Only Vint is shown
limber knotBOT
But that was like, 2010? When they opened the first new datacenter after Roubaix
cedar herald
Their European operation has certainly grown
I forget which one was built first
Roubaix or Beauharnois
limber knotBOT
Roubaix
golden gust
Yea, bhs was newer, I remember when they didn't have redundant fiber and a car crashed into one of their poles ;-;
limber knotBOT
OVH used to have an office in Rotterdam (NL) with Dutch support people constantly complaning about HQ in France and the strange things that happend there, lol
But that's all gone, all (EU) support is back at a central location again
void void
That's what we all did at RNA complaining about Utrecht
cedar herald
Imagine not having redundant fiber to a very large multiple hundred thousand server data center
limber knotBOT
Lol, used to work in Utrecht, it's always Utrecht's fault :P
(another company tho)
cedar herald
There is a video on the ovh YouTube channel or one of them at least
That showed off Beauharnois
cedar herald
but it's outdated now because the server capacity in the video was what
void void
Biggest group of retards
cedar herald
450000
void void
EVER
cedar herald
Why do you think they chose eastern Canada to be the home of the biggest ovh North American dc?
limber knotBOT
Because Octave had too much wine? Seems legit.
limber knotBOT
Sorry, I'm getting a bit sarcastic about the way OVH makes choices after being a customer for 10+ years, lol
cedar herald
Gonna get that mad lad of a server
and then SCP 30+GB of server data from a sys server to it
void void
rsync
void void
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cedar herald
That'd be a huge massive upgrade
136.99 cad a month to get tho for the configuration I'd want
merry talon
wtf is with their private networking being so slow
merry talon
being faster than public is kind of the entire point
void void
Probably because there too many oversubed servers on it? Like a shizzly ISP?
cedar herald
$2 extra for more than the game server could offer
merry talon
but you could just communicate between servers in the same rack via the public network
lol
void void
That or they wanna charge you more for the BW.
cedar herald
is $101 after currency exchange
void void
so they make it slow on purpose?
cedar herald
i7-7700K vs Xeon E-2136
merry talon
That still doesn't make sense
because again people would just use the faster public uplink
void void
Yea but they get money for practically next to nothing since the public is being counted within their data center not through an exchanger.
cedar herald
manual verification
limber knotBOT
#paper-dev
cedar herald
Sucks man
void void
limber knotBOT
hi hi
cedar herald
golden gust
vrack is entirely seperate
golden gust
in-dc traffic is not routed to the outside
cedar herald
@spare venture Advance-2 for Americans is only $2 more because currency adjustments
ancient bolt
@void void gotta do the first newline to make that look good for people on the most compact discord setting
cosmic raft
did someone ring?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302688618755915776/476889078160424960/Steve1.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302688618755915776/476889088289538077/Steve2.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302688618755915776/476889100214075402/Steve3.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302688618755915776/476889113661014056/Steve4.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/302688618755915776/476889122531966985/Steve5.png
unreal quarry
the adv2 is a xeon. not worth the effort compared to the i7-7700k
ancient bolt
looks like felt
ancient bolt
like it's just glued on
limber knotBOT
hello, can i get help here?
void void
.ask
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
ancient bolt
oh that's not even that expensive
merry talon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380138852586881064/567884579860381704/john1.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380138852586881064/567884582192676874/john2.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380138852586881064/567884584398749696/john3.png
cosmic raft
benadryl, which i usually get, was $9.98
but it was behind the locked case
since they're closed in the pharmacy area today
ancient bolt
break in
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lol
cedar herald
Hmm
cosmic raft
I wish :p
cedar herald
The pondering goes on
ancient bolt
I paid like $10 for my 1000 count ibuprofen bottle like 5 years ago that I haven't even put a dent in
will probably last my whole life
cedar herald
Xeon E-2136 VS Overclocked (to 4.7ghz) 7700K
Don't be so quick to assume
There are other factors at play than just raw clock speed
merry talon
do those not go bad? @ancient bolt
cedar herald
$37 for you mayb
merry talon
as in less effective
cedar herald
It's a $2 difference for a bit more
even if the difference is marginal
No
My friend who would be buying it
Is American
$99 usd vs $101 (because of currency exchange)
$137 Canadian dollars is $101 United States dollars
void void
they means the conversion rates
golden gust
tl:dr; is he's paying with monoply money
cosmic raft
beat it, ec
cedar herald
monopoly money?
void void
But @cedar herald some credit cards will tack on an additional %
for coversions.
Usually 3-5 %
cedar herald
My friend wouldn't be paying through card
yes
Yes I did
I thought that much was obvious
I even said it was ovh canada
and no
merry talon
backwards currency? wat
cedar herald
That's like saying every member of the European Union should have a different currency symbol
That makes no god damn sense
Apparently to you if a country other than the us uses the $ sign
It's bad
void void
₱ is bae
merry talon
@void void I prefer Ξ
cedar herald
$100 United States Dollars
$100 Canadian Dollars
void void
₱ masterrace
vestal jasper
@static badge do you choose when you act retarded or does it come naturally to you?
static badge
both
golden gust
Both, I think
merry talon
mfw
golden gust
Mostly the latter, however
void void
he's not the moron here lmfao
merry talon
anthony is the moron here yes
cedar herald
$2
void void
this is a new level of "uninformed"
unreal quarry
@exotic crest are you trying to say those xeons are better for minecraft? cause they're not..
cedar herald
Again with the wasting of money
merry talon
the endowment pills?
cedar herald
My friend whod be buying it is american
cosmic raft
no barty
i don't need to
i just bought these, don't need to buy more until i have none of these
besides, amazon will probably be more expensive
bloody $25 minimum order
merry talon
too bad we don't have aquifer's forums anymore
void void
you guys are talking to kash, the man who bought a label maker because label maker
merry talon
you could get a killer deal there
unreal quarry
@void void i figured out why he bought a label maker. have you seen how many labels he uses on GitHub?
void void
😁 @unreal quarry
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did u finally figure that out billy? 
cosmic raft
merry talon
wtf
unreal quarry
@static badge i realized it the other day when i was washing my motorcycle. idky i thought of it then, but was like "huh." then moved on
lol
cosmic raft
void void
is that a real issue or is it a meme now
cosmic raft
no
merry talon
just put a copypasta in a label
cosmic raft
anyone want to play cah?
merry talon
yes
cosmic raft
https://pyx-1.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=51 password is kittens
unreal quarry
anyone noticed the hytale hype died down? they even stopped doing their weekly blog post.. hmmmm
cosmic raft
cards against humanity
cosmic raft
when you're the card czar, like you are now, you choose the best card of the ones above
when you're not the czar, you choose one of your cards to fill the sentence
unreal quarry
is that the adult one, kash?
merry talon
yes
unreal quarry
cause i like playing the adult one and seeing how dirty it can get
cosmic raft
it's not only adult stuff
but there is some yes
@spare venture https://s3.amazonaws.com/cah/CAH_Rules.pdf
merry talon
jesus christ
cosmic raft
ignore gambling/house rules
merry talon
you gotta pick 2 now
cosmic raft
admin of the site disabled it
yeah, click one, confirm, click other, confirm
renamed to #games
austere ivy
Holy guacamole my old PMC account: https://www.planetminecraft.com/member/brianhernando/
S T E V E S P I N
Goodness, REDSTONE LEARNING PROGRAM lol.
I honestly, cannot remember doing any of this.
Then again I was 8 years old at the time so I guess some is forgiven haha.
Actually I do remember steve spin and redstone learning program. Somewhat. Feels like such a short time ago but then again such a long time.
I'M SOLD!
latest information
celest pier
austere ivy
Give me one second.
It's old enough that I'm using my mother's email, wow.
then again I was 8 so that was.. a tiny bit.. illegal
if I did, that is.
My PMs are a goldmine
BARTY
@spare venture
LINK.
vestal jasper
Somehow my playerbase has gone from most active in midday to most active at night
huh
golden gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KEQCudRqbY | I have no idea how I got here, but I did
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Does Canadian money really smell like maple syrup? With Matt Parker - length 21m 25s - 4,011 likes, 72 dislikes (98.2%) - 189,720 views - Steve Mould on 2016.01.18
surreal moth
@golden gust why are you being cat
gaunt rover
cosmic raft
meow
vestal jasper
just smashing his face into the side of his spot
he usually only does this for like 10 seconds
static badge
ur cat is retarded
acoustic pilot
said the furry weab
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furry weeb
void void
#adorable-pets safe place for cat pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! abuse of catto not tolerated.
@cosmic raft !!!!!!!!!!! fix it!
limber knotBOT
lmao why is spigot's irc having such issues
simpleauthority: ?
it's either my host (possible) or them, but I just noticed a dc again and they just had a netsplit yesterdar p sure
and possibly the day before, too
merry talon
@golden gust TLDW, but canadian money absolutely smells like maple syrup
I don't understand the deniers
void void
wtf is tldw
merry talon
too long didnt watch
void void
retard
vestal jasper
retard
merry talon
retard
merry talon
void void
no u
hey @merry talon I thought your name was Sweep Yo Face bitch, not Sweepy O Face
disgusting
merry talon
who said it was the latter
static badge
mfw sweepy calling others retarded
merry talon
mfw the most retarded one of all speaking up
void void
static badge
yeah that's u
hot gorge
Unpopular opinion: Calling someone "retarded" makes you seem like you're 11 
static badge
u saying that makes u look retarded u know
vestal jasper
Unpopular: caring so much about the words people use and trying to call them out for it makes you seem like you're 11
vestal jasper
Implying
hot gorge
I'm just trying to help you all not sound so dumb... But whatever.
vestal jasper
dumb in your eyes*
hot gorge
k
static badge
personally I view anyone using the term retarded as a legendary human being
.retarded
limber knotBOT
(Korobi) Rick & Morty - Retarded - length 34s - 29,004 likes, 498 dislikes (98.3%) - 3,049,263 views - three14 on 2014.03.25
cosmic raft
fucking allergies
hot gorge
Rained the last two days here and it's help keep the tree pollen down a little
But I think it will come back with a vengeance because it's been so dry
old badge
lol
old badge
the writing is pretty good for a 9 year old
austere ivy
2:30 AM in the MORNING lol
cosmic raft
ok
static badge
ur retarded
void void
kashike merge my shit
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kash merge my shit too
cosmic raft
not after that
static badge
.rekt
limber knotBOT
☑ Rekt750
vestal jasper
.rekt
limber knotBOT
☑ CorREKT
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coreprorekt
austere ivy
merry talon
the worst part is
austere ivy
I couldn't decode it all, it was quite hard.
void void
@cosmic raft ur not retarded, ur cat bud
merry talon
I dont think that was bait
merry talon
just retardation
void void
thru and thru
merry talon
idk kash uses php
static badge
lul
void void
i use hacklang
i fucking used the wrong name but the wrong name existed too
hack is apparently php with types
old badge
chapter 5?
austere ivy
Spawn killed him for about 1 month
Lowered his health to about 1 billion
This entire this is pure comedic gold
Goodness gracious
merry talon
what the fuck is wrong with you
austere ivy
Love that favorite button
Mine that diamond button
and SMACK that subscribe button
old badge
love that favorite button
you were saying to smack the subscribe buttons before the youtubers
og
austere ivy
o. g.
Also there's that.
The entire thing is worth a read tbh, it's just so many twists and turns, better than Twilight.
kash: TRIGGERED
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austere ivy
I have a minecraftforums account with 5000 posts
Comedic goldmine, every post is.. from a literal 8 year old so you have that.
See that's pretty good Ian.
What a shame mcf is going away, at least it's getting archived so I can still save my cringe for later.
There, if you'd like some extreme cringe.
2015, still got the same computer ;c
I've considered wiping all of this from the face of the internet but I like looking at it from time to time
old badge
Don't delete your old stuff. I deleted mine and I regret it now
austere ivy
Gotta admit this is some advanced tech support 👀
Choose your own Tech Support. I'm trademarking that.
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lol
austere ivy
I remember deleting something else of mine and regretting it later, I forget what.
oh yeah, Wynncraft forums account.
3500 posts there I think.
austere ivy
Yeah, no kidding haha,
old badge
I deleted old screenshots and videos
austere ivy
Then I wiped it and I really regret it. Considered asking if I could get it back ;p
old badge
screenshots with old friends in servers and stuff 😭
pulsar wigeon
holy fuck bukkit is 🚮
cosmic raft
lol
static badge
ur 🚮
austere ivy
on this blessed day, we're all 🚮
pulsar wigeon
deprecated an event, says "use the other event", other event isn't even fired for this
static badge
git blame it 
austere ivy
on this blessed day, we're all put litter in it's place.
old badge
bukkit still exists? I thought they kicked the bucket long time ago
vestal jasper
which event
static badge
portal exit?
pulsar wigeon
EntityCreatePortal is deprecated
vestal jasper
Also bukkit is still around. The bukkit team isn't a thing though.
pulsar wigeon
but PortalCreateEvent isn't actually fired when enderdragon dies
which EntityCreatePortal was
now there's just no event for it at all
vestal jasper
Bukkit's the name of the API.
Spigot team manages it currently.
austere ivy
Same with extending InventoryHolder.
You're left with comparing names (which is a bad idea since players can rename inventories with anvils) and storing the inventories in a list/set (which is just unnecessary)
static badge
EntityCreatePortal is never fired from my src
austere ivy
And you still can extend InventoryHolder and it works fine.
old badge
I've known about bukkit since 2012 and still don't know the differences between Craftbukkit and bukkit
pulsar wigeon
go look at 1.12/1.13
pulsar wigeon
they literally just deprecated entitycreateportal
static badge
although
vestal jasper
CraftBukkit is a server that implements the Bukkit API
Spigot's a fork of CraftBukkit @old badge
static badge
it is not fired if the enderdragon dies
PortalCreateEvent isn't specifically
go report to md69
static badge
ur retarded
vestal jasper
implying it'll be fixed
pulsar wigeon
static badge
threaten to move wg to paper only
pulsar wigeon
fix in paper then
static badge
no report it to md69
pulsar wigeon
fuck spigot's bug tracker
static badge
LUL
pulsar wigeon
static badge
that's some monkaS
vestal jasper
how do I search for shit in the stash
oh
the dark orange search bar on the orange menu
yeah ok fuck you too
void void
Holy shit.
vestal jasper
I guess I can't use the stash
void void
My fiance almost roped me into watching another fucking romcom
I convinced her to watch Shaun of the Dead
This is unheard of
static badge
.g Shaun of the Dead
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365748/ -- Shaun of the Dead (2004) - IMDb: "Simon Pegg and Edgar Wright at an event for Shaun of the Dead (2004) Simon Pegg and Nicola Cunningham in Shaun of the Dead (2004) Shaun of the..."
vestal jasper
I swear to god if it's refusing to let me search because it can't fucking find an avatar
acoustic pilot
everything's better at the winchester
merry talon
doesn't md have like a 20 year old stash instance
vestal jasper
I'm not searching the jira I'm searching the stash
old badge
yeah in that case I'm having issues too
vestal jasper
i wanna know what CB does after it calls the blockbreakevent
static badge
find usages in IDE
stray chasm
vestal jasper
I don't wanna set that up though
acoustic pilot
if you have a Paper clone lying around, that'd be easy
vestal jasper
I don't, I'm too retarded
acoustic pilot
guess ur screwed then
merry talon
what else is new
static badge
git clone <paper thing> && cd paper && ./paper jar
vestal jasper
fine
acoustic pilot
make him suffer
static badge
merry talon
at least its not js with 500mb of libraries
vestal jasper
Oh yeah I brought that up once. People thought I was funny for suggesting not having more than 2,000 dependencies in a project.
static badge
u sure
vestal jasper
I'm fairly certain I brought it up once, yeah
vestal jasper
Yeah it just seems odd that it piles up so much
merry talon
the problem is
vestal jasper
Especially when a lot of libraries are simple things that could just be implemented with a few minutes of time
merry talon
in the js world if you implement some kind of logic over 3 lines u make it a package
and then when you download then
that
it comes with all the github bullshit
docs and readme and screenshots
austere ivy
isEven
relies on
isOdd
which then relies on
isNumber
The amazing world of dependencies.
And they all have millions of downloads.
golden gust
Welcome to js
golden gust
You're clearly new
merry talon
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Smarty
vestal jasper
Compiling Proton howto needed for Ubuntu
Closing as this feature request is too generalized to be actionable.
How is that not actionable? The desired action is for them to create a howto for compiling on Ubuntu.
🤔
merry talon
TOO GENERALIZED
vestal jasper
How though. It's a specific thing they want for a specific platform.
I'd understand it being too generalized if they just said please add build instructions
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I hate how javascript is always having a new flavor-of-the-month framework
merry talon
better than java being the same for 2 decades
coarse urchin
Except every js framework is the same shit with different face
limber knotBOT
There are no new frameworks that are worth using for the last few years, lol
Go Vue or go home
merry talon
svelte is relatively new
but yeah vue or bust
biggest issue I've had with that ecosystem is unreliable and convoluted editor support
merry talon
yes its a dumb slogan
austere ivy
There's a riot happening