general

[void void]

😃

i have no idea what that means but ok

here we go

obfhelpers i mean

i read it but

yeh 😄

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baby's first obfhelper

[void void]

fuck you

[static badge]

here's what an obfhelper is

[void void]

i'll be a god one day and i'll eat you

[static badge]

see this method

[void void]

like kronos

salad

[static badge]

    public SoundEffect g() {
        return this.C;
    }

nobody knows wtf it does

so we do this

    public final SoundEffect getStepSound() { return this.g(); } // Paper - OBFHELPER
    public SoundEffect g() {
        return this.C;
    }

now we do know

[void void]

😃

Ok that smile isn't sarcastic enough so

[static badge]

simple

if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard

[woven otter]

wow

[static badge]

u deleted it kash

ik u did

[cosmic raft]

yes

[static badge]

told u

[tardy lynx]

gorilla warfare

[static badge]

bet u put it in a container and labeled it

[cosmic raft]

put what

[static badge]

probably labeled the container container too

probably labeled the label label too

[cosmic raft]

put what

[static badge]

probably labeled the label that labeled the container label

hey kash

[cosmic raft]

what

[static badge]

mind telling mojang to not int k = MathHelper.floor(this.locY - 0.20000000298023224D); store their constants in floats

😠

[cosmic raft]

that's a decompiler thing

where is that

[static badge]

no

entityliving line 1542

method b(float, float)

you see

gimme a fat second

[cosmic raft]

- (double) 0.2f);

[static badge]

yeah

retarded

float

[limber knot]

how does the decompiler do that?

[static badge]

wait

wait wait

w

[limber knot]

like how does it make up those numbers?

[static badge]

it's float -> double conversion

you see

[cosmic raft]

$ j '(double) 0.2f'
>> (Double) 0.20000000298023224

[static badge]

yeah

is that from the real src kash

cuz that's seriously fucking retarded

[cosmic raft]

no u

[static badge]

so it is

I would not have expected that tbh

most retarded way of writing 0.2

I expected it to be in a constant

man that really fucking

god

wtf

[cosmic raft]

could be a constant, but it's still 0.2f

[static badge]

I'm saying fact it's a 32bit floating point value is retarded

[limber knot]

why (double) 0.2f) and not 0.2d?

[static badge]

0.2 works just fine

idk man there's some weird shit with their shit

one time an issue was resolved because we reverted from the double value to the float value

how the fuck that worked

I'll never know

[limber knot]

well, I wouldn't know, are their benefits to store constants in smaller data types?

[static badge]

no

absolutely not

[cosmic raft]

0.2d isn't the same at (double) 0.2f

[static badge]

yeah 0.2d is sane

[limber knot]

whats the difference? I don't really know how primitives are handled 🤔

[static badge]

read it out load

"cast 0.2f to double"

float only has like what 23 bits of precision

[cosmic raft]

(double) 0.2f

[limber knot]

I know that they syntax is stupid, am trying to figure out if there are performance benefits to that

[static badge]

which is like 21 more braincells than z

[cosmic raft]

Turns into

0.20000000298023224d

[static badge]

there are no performance benefits at all

the compiler goes "lol this is a constant expression and am eval"

so it gets used as double

[limber knot]

ah ok, but surely they wouldn't care for that difference, right?

[static badge]

in both cases

I do

[cosmic raft]

the difference could matter in some places, to be fair

[static badge]

it's true

it did matter like I said

and the fact it did matter was retarded btw

[limber knot]

I would guess its a legacy thing? like it was a float before, later got refactored into a double and they didn't update the constants?

do you have access to the git blame on that like kash? :D

[static badge]

tbh I'd just use double everywhere why not :>

on x86 iirc literally no perf diff between 32bit & 64bit floating ops

oh

mapping update

md69 apparently fixed

kash u wanna pull from upstream to see

wait what's this diff

oh right mapping stuff doesn't go in cb

[cosmic raft]

build data or whatever

send in a pr

am in bed

[static badge]

oh my god

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/builddata/commits/633897ca59f5feb54c9f7f1a953f1989d9cb1b64#mappings/bukkit-1.14.2-members.csrg

[cosmic raft]

lmao

[static badge]

he called the wrong method

as expected but fuck

I missed that one big time

[cosmic raft]

yeah, pr and I'll pull

[static badge]

well

gimme a min

if only mojang's code wasn't a mess of 1500 lambdas and optionals

time to test now

is it me or did mojang improve spawn chunk loading

oh wait nevermind I've got it set to load 225

[cosmic raft]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/jira/browse/SPIGOT-4992

that title

[woven otter]

lol

[static badge]

still occurs part 1

interesting

yeah this still occured wat

am I out of date magically

gimme a moment to nuke some stuff to make sure I'm not using the broken mapping still

[limber knot]

https://twitter.com/mistertim/status/1131582265211990016

Tim Cowlishaw (@mistertim)

data

Retweets

531

Likes

1085

Twitter

(MiniDigger) @mistertim (Tim Cowlishaw): data https://t.co/i9aPml7r3l (4 days and 19 hours ago)

lol

[static badge]

alright let's see if nuking the work folder works

no it did not

yes it did apparently

ide is retarded part 2

regardless time to pr

who knew I needed to nuke the work folder and my ide's build cache to get this working

[limber knot]

have you considered to stop breaking stuff?

[acoustic pilot]

he can't help himself

he's just a dum leaf

[static badge]

hey concrete doesn't need to deal with that shit

tbf still needa nuke that work folder on mappings

[limber knot]

yeah, working on a fork of paper is easier than working on paper

[cosmic raft]

merged

[static badge]

did it not close the issue

[cosmic raft]

goodnight leaf

[void void]

naio am 2 test the block sounds thingy i just finished

[void void]

Any sublime text pro user here ?

[limber knot]

no.

use vsc :D

[void void]

How can I delete every lines that contains more than 1 occurence of the character @

[limber knot]

does it support replacing with regex?

[void void]

yes

[limber knot]

.@.@

stefs yours doesn't work for @ssss@

[void void]

yes that's what I was going to say

[wide chasm]

.+@.+@.+

[limber knot]

s/+/*

Correction, <DiscordBot> <11s​te​fv​an​sc​hi​e> .@.@.*****

[wide chasm]

Yeah, that's why I deleted the message.

Apparently I'm called 11stefvanschie now

[void void]

wat

[limber knot]

need *, else @@ doesn't work

[void void]

lol

[limber knot]

its your irc color, cafebabe doesn't support that properly

[void void]

awesome, I keep that one somewhere

[limber knot]

or just learn regex, its really not that hard ;)

[wide chasm]

I didn't even know IRC supported colored names

[void void]

yeah but I always forget everything

[limber knot]

name colors depends on the client

it was message color in your case

TEST

ye, 11 is cyan

light cyan

[vernal moth]

Dumcord doesn't support message colors 😂

[void void]

ofc

imagine if everyone was able

to send colored messages

rip

[wide chasm]

Actually for the regex, you may want: (?:[^@]*@[^@]*){2,} since you can more easily change the amount of @'s you're looking for (min and max).

(If not, whatever, but if you want to change it, may want to use this or something.)

[void void]

.+[^\0-\177].+

I wonder why that doesn't work

regex is so witchcraft

[wide chasm]

Why would that work? You're looking for a character outside \0 and \177. Why aren't you looking for @?

[void void]

Oh that's something else now

I want to match any line that contains any non-ascii char

[wide chasm]

Oh I see

[void void]

I'm looking at some regex tutorials

and try to figure it out

[wide chasm]

You want to use * instead of +, since there may not be a character after your non-ascii character.

[void void]

.+[^a-z0-9``~!@#$%^&*()-_=+[]{}\|;:'"<>,./?\r\n].+

😂

.*[^a-z0-9``~!@#$%^&*()\-_=+\[\]{}\\|;:'"<>,./?\r\n].*

[wide chasm]

At that point you might as well just specify a range like you did first.

[void void]

yeah

[tardy lynx]

Auth servers down?

[golden gust]

.mcs

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Online: account.mj, api.mj, authserver.mj, minecraft.net, mojang.com, session.mc, sessionserver.mj, textures.mc

[tardy lynx]

Some people timed out then auth servers were down for a minute

[worn ember]

you dont time out from auth servers lmao

they either validate or they dont

once you're validated you dont touch those servers anymore

[void void]

anyone help me with my server lagging?

https://timings.aikar.co/?id=4763a94641a742cf9b3da1f3ad6ad4e4

what could be the problem?

[true canyon]

Oof, was the villagers issue all because of one wrong mapping? https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/builddata/commits/633897ca59f5feb54c9f7f1a953f1989d9cb1b64

[void void]

someone can help?

[worn ember]

@void void are you using a floppy disk?

[golden gust]

Can you have a level of patience

[void void]

stop wti that shit

its not that

you told me that 2weeks ago

can you tell me the real reason?

[golden gust]

1.14 chunk loading/saving is slow

[void void]

so thats hard drive problem

or my problem

[golden gust]

Read what I said

1.14 has performance issues in general

[void void]

it wasnt lagging

[golden gust]

wut

[void void]

at the begining

when i opened the server

it was 1.14

spigot

it wasnt lagging

maybe paper is the problem?

[golden gust]

No, but as you have people on who do things like load chunks, it gets worse

[true canyon]

Read what electroniccat said - "1.14 has performance issues in general"

[golden gust]

Also, for the love of god type a sentence

This issue is seen in vanilla, craftbukkit, spigot, paper

[void void]

TPs dropping?

[golden gust]

Yes

[void void]

like i said the first week when i opened the server the tps wasnt dropping

it was 20 20 20

[golden gust]

You'd need to compare relative timings, but player behaviors change

[worn ember]

@golden gust he doesnt listen to reason 😉

[golden gust]

Is there a chance that paper does something that could make it worse? I can't really rule that out, but I've not seen any recent indication that that is the case, and performance of 1.14.x as a whole is a royal shitstorm as has been said for the past how many weeks?

(*and said by literally every single project, even mojang is willing to tell you 1.14 was baaad)

[worn ember]

i'm not even developing for 1.14 until they fix their shit lol

might aswel skip it all together

Forge mainly skipping 1.13 is a pain though

[true canyon]

If the alternative is not getting a forge for 1.14 for an additional 6 months I'm ok with skipping 1.13 😛

[limber knot]

How to fix 1.14 performance: kill all the villagers

They breed without limit and their AI got much more expensive as Mojang tried to implement something like the Radiant AI from TES games

They have a daily schedule they follow of walking to various places in the village and doing various actions

[unreal quarry]

Nah, amaranth. It was md having a bad mapping in the new behavior system. Villagers don't actually lag all that much. (No more than usual at least). The big problem with 1.14 is slow chunk loading/saving.

[worn ember]

they wont run anywhere when the chunks are unloaded tho

cant run if theres no floor to run on

https://giphy.com/gifs/culture--think-hmm-d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

[unreal quarry]

Once someone figures out the chunk problem 1.14 gonna be the best version we've had in a loooong time imho

looks at leaf

[void void]

meanwhile dbrand skin looks dope on my mac

took 10 days to arrive, but eh

[unreal quarry]

You tried a worldborder fill yet, Barty? I'm curious how it holds up now

[void void]

it's mainly for protecting this expensive machinery from dumb myself scratching it

[worn ember]

@void void couldve just put it through the laminate machine

[void void]

tru

[limber knot]

Reminder for @austere ivy: PREPARE YOURSELF

[void void]

One question: droping new PPspigot wont fak yml files or it will? 51---->53

[unreal quarry]

TF is ppspigot @void void?

[void void]

paper spigot

lol

[quasi valley]

paper

[wide chasm]

PaperSpigot isn't a thing

[limber knot]

@wide chasm [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[wide chasm]

See

[unreal quarry]

PaperSpigot hasn't been a thing since 1.8

[limber knot]

@unreal quarry [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[void void]

one question: droping new Papers wont fak yml files or it will? 51---->53

[unreal quarry]

No. Why would it?

[void void]

well people adding new freatures like oreobsfocusator

[pulsar wigeon]

??

[void void]

idk maybe it will just merge text

[unreal quarry]

Are you high, @void void?

[hallow light]

So, I believe spigot has not released a non-development build for 1.14.2 yet?

[void void]

i dont know how it works

[pulsar wigeon]

i don't think spigot has released any "production ready" build for 1.14 at all tbh

[void void]

does paper on updates just merge config yml files or idk

or i have to reconfigure every time on update

[pulsar wigeon]

reconfigure what?

[quasi valley]

what?

[unreal quarry]

I don't understand

Weks, your yamls will be fine...

[void void]

config

ok thank god

[golden gust]

Existing config values will basically sit in there

If we ever make changes to how a config works or something, we'll generally provide a migration path

[limber knot]

@Billy: Nah, villagers have those bugs and are expensive as fuck on vanilla

[golden gust]

Billy was talking about an issue with CB specifically that was breaking villagers and causing the TPS to tank, villagers being performance hogs in general is another issue

[wide hazel]

https://v.redd.it/un3xhho5gw031

I'm tempted to hire these people to hack me

I want to see what they can do

Probably not a goddamned thing

[old badge]

lmao

[wide hazel]

But it would be fun

[upper flicker]

That font is terrible

[wide hazel]

"I want IM messages from egg82"

[heady spear]

all legit hackers have their phone number in their ads

also all legit hackers have ads

[wide hazel]

I mean, obviously

[heady spear]

I wanna be one of those movie hackers that add exploits to stylesheets so they can raytrace the adress via the mainframe in order to bypass the firewall

with loads of sound effects

[void void]

like those hacking realtek websites down?

[heady spear]

'sir they're blocking our attempts so I'm gonna have to attack harder' furious keyboard mashing

'we're in'

[wicked ocean]

anybody knows why villagers are not moving on my server ?

[unreal quarry]

@wicked ocean update to 53

[wicked ocean]

what 53

[unreal quarry]

Or 52. Whatever is latest build now

[wicked ocean]

alright , i can just stop server , replace the jar file and run it right ?

[atomic marten]

Yes

[wicked ocean]

ok ty ty

[void void]

haha and taking phone mesages just by puting proxy links?

and phone eat it all ? LOL

wow

anyway

i dont expect some crap indians to able to

just put hacky pfp

[tardy lynx]

How are Structures generated over multiple chunks?

[void void]

#memes

[zenith pendant]

Dude paper is awesome

Good job guys 👍

[golden gust]

\o/

[austere ivy]

Who pinged me?

What?

[void void]

So the provider lied about the upgrades? Since one said that the I7 7700K is 4.2Ghz at stock? 28.05 15:30:27 [Server] INFO Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz
28.05 15:30:27 [Server] INFO Model: 158
28.05 15:30:27 [Server] INFO Id: Intel64 Family 6 Model 158 Stepping 9
28.05 15:30:27 [Server] INFO Vendor freq: 4200000000
28.05 15:30:27 [Server] INFO Physical Cores: 4
28.05 15:30:27 [Server] INFO Logical Cores: 8
28.05 15:30:27 [Server] INFO Endian: little

[limber knot]

doesn't it say exactly that? 🤔

[void void]

That what I thought but just wanted to conform before making false assumptions.

And wow they filled it to the brim if not overselling it as it also only have 2GB left. So that's not even enough for me to use all 3GB (almost is but not)

Since Java reserved 924MB already so yea.

[golden gust]

who?

[void void]

TigerNode

[golden gust]

maybe docker?

[void void]

Huh?

[golden gust]

Unless you can see that there is a ton of memory used otherwise, it's likely you're looking at the wrong thing so to speak

No host is going to have servers with only a few gigs on them

[brazen adder]

So paper 1.14.2 is just like 1.14 and 1.14.1 not recommended to use? Because i keep pushing the update date back further and my players are literally just waiting until we finally update. Id like to know what exactly makes it so bad to use.

[golden gust]

1.14.2 is better than 1.14.1 is better than 1.14

[void void]

That what LagMonitor is saying thouhg

28.05 15:38:04 [Server] INFO Total Swap: 20.00 GiB
28.05 15:38:04 [Server] INFO Free Swap: 19.99 GiB
28.05 15:38:04 [Server] INFO Total OS RAM: 62.78 GiB
28.05 15:38:04 [Server] INFO Free OS RAM: 1.99 GiB

[golden gust]

oh, lol

[brazen adder]

Im using 1.13.2 :PP

[golden gust]

Could not be seeing free space properly due to disk caches, buuuut if that's not the case, rip

[void void]

Ahh I see so it could be off by a bit?

[brazen adder]

Would you say its possible to use 1.14.2 or is it better to stay at 1.13.2

[heady spear]

stay at 1.13

Although it kind of depends on what type of server you're running, etc. I wouldn't update for a while, though 🤷

[golden gust]

I recommend throwing it on a test server

But production ready is eeeeeh

[unreal quarry]

If one has to ask if 1.14.2 is safe to upgrade to, then one is not ready for it ;)

[void void]

IT was a 0 day build so I would wait as everyone else said.

[brazen adder]

Just a regular 10 to 20 players survival server with about 40 plugins

[heady spear]

We're running 1.14 on our testing server to get our plugins updated and we haven't experienced any major issues

I doubt the plugins you're relying on are all up to date tho

[brazen adder]

Yeah multiverse core mostly

Isnt updated

;-;

[unreal quarry]

1.14 ain't bad. I'm one of the early adopters that went prod on first build

[heady spear]

Multiverse should be working alright

some warnings on startup due to deprecated events, but worlds are loading just fine 😛

[golden gust]

Tbh, right now other than the performance issues, it is getting to the point where it is somewhat reasonable to start recommending

It's just those perf issues :S

[brazen adder]

Idk what deprecated events are but sounds good

[unreal quarry]

Poke leaf for his async io

[brazen adder]

So i can expect lag if i update? But not gamebreaking right? Im considering just taking the negatives because people literally just are waiting. Lots of regulars are not coming on anymore rip

[void void]

Well gotta phone the credit card to see where the refund is at the old provider.

[wide hazel]

The perf issues are incredibly bad, though

Can't recommend yet

[merry zealot]

hey there

turning off Minecraft:playerCommands with bukkit's commands.yml is giving me a hard time...

[golden gust]

That's "players trying to run commands" in general

[limber knot]

was about to say, I have never heard of that command, lol

[merry zealot]

i know, I'm only turning off minecraft:kill

but it's throwing an error that it can't turn off minecraft:playercommands in general

[golden gust]

what error?

[merry zealot]

1.12.2
I'm trying to figure out which "EssentialsX" commands I can simply synthesize with aliases...

error: https://hasteb.in/dizezunu.rb
commands.yml: https://hasteb.in/qoyukeko.yaml

[limber knot]

if you remove "minecraft:kill": it works again?

[brazen adder]

Hmm if egg82 thinks the issues are that bad i might keep my hands off after all ._.

[merry zealot]

if I remove the entry to remove the kill command entirely, it works

but the alias doesn't work, it'll just use minecraft's own kill command

i only want to override the kill command really

hmm lemme see, one second

I'm trying to remove kill: now and using minecraft:kill in the alias

ok i got it

thanks for the help

[cedar spade]

but why wouldn't you just use essentialsx /s

[merry zealot]

works:```yaml
kill:

• []
  kill:
• minecraft:kill @e[type=$1]```

[golden gust]

Urgh, just crashed my terminal \o/

and it die

oh, no, it's alive, but something closed somewhere o.O

[void void]

Well while I wait for my refund that will givem e plenty of time to find a new home that hopefully isn't grossly stuffing the nodes.

Oh and lying.

paper 1.14.2 or spigot 1.14.2?

[golden gust]

There's no reason that I'd recommend spigot over paper

[fast tree]

Paper. Had Spigot before but Paper seems a lot smoother and chunk loading is a LOT better!

[true canyon]

"There's no reason that I'd recommend spigot over paper"
I HAVE ONE

masochism

[pulsar wigeon]

i recommend craftbukkit over paper and spigot for development work to maintain compatibility, unless you're using paper-specific api :^)

i also recommend dogs over cats

runs

[tardy lynx]

I use my production server for development

And testing plugins

[woven otter]

dunno about you but I use glowstone

[pulsar wigeon]

nukkit is the 1 true bukkit api implementation :^)

[wide hazel]

https://i.imgur.com/9OCEeJK.gifv

[limber knot]

Pocketmine it the only true Minecraft server software

[placid thicket]

So how's the villager issues in 53?

[limber knot]

The issue caused by spigot is fixed

[wicked ocean]

is it possible to change player colors in cmd ?

[void void]

28.05 18:02:59 [Server] INFO Total OS RAM: 62.78 GiB
28.05 18:02:59 [Server] INFO Free OS RAM: 1.71 GiB and my server is now reserving 1.1GB/3GB. That won't end well if I has to use my full allocation.

Thankfully I am eyeing a replacement when the refund comes in or when they put the USA location online again.

[rancid urchin]

Ok now

to host a paper server

on my phone

[tardy lynx]

lol

if it works on raspberry pi it should work on phones

[rancid urchin]

well my phone sideloads linux

[tardy lynx]

yea won't be that hard

You'll want to pregen the world

[rancid urchin]

nah

i got a 2.2Ghz 8core CPU with 8GB of ram

ill be fine

[tardy lynx]

1 player walking without pregen - 13TPS
10 players walking with pregen - 20TPS

raspberry pi

[rancid urchin]

its just for me lol

for fun

[tardy lynx]

You're cpus only like 2x faster

[rancid urchin]

to see if it will work

[tardy lynx]

ok then...

lol your phone's better specs than my server

[heady spear]

Day 4 of updating stupid pluigins to 1.14 :))))))))))))

[void void]

Got my backup in case the 9 dollars service turns into a brick.

[pulsar wigeon]

what kind of stupid plugins city?

do you even still work on P2

[alpine basalt]

Im sure this has been asked already, has anyone had any experience with paper 1.14.2 yet? Curious to see how it is performing

[void void]

It haven't been up for 24 hours. Bugs are likely to be all over I would give it a couple of days and then ask for a review.

[pulsar wigeon]

could say the same of 1.14 and 1.14.1

but everyone switched to those right away too :^)

[void void]

I am sure but I actually came on at build 33 I believe.

[alpine basalt]

Yeah learned my lesson REAL quick to wait lol

[pulsar wigeon]

i saw no less than 200 servers running 1.14.2 within an hour of md's commit to spigot on bstats

[void void]

Since I was trying to run Vanilla and that obiviously wasn't working out.

[alpine basalt]

Never had any issues with any dev build, but jesus 1.14 really screwed everything up lol

[golden gust]

I've not looked at the changes too much, but .1 was a bigger update than .2

[robust quest]

Paper 1.14.2 is much better than 1.14.1. The only big issue still is world saving. I heard that servers that were previously 1.13.2 jumping to 1.14.2 was a big disaster due to the lighting updates taking so many resources.

[void void]

Exactly so that what I mean too. Wait until there a REASON to update the 1.14.1 stack.

[alpine basalt]

Yeah, the lighting glitches have really been difficult to continue with world editing/doing projects on my server

[pulsar wigeon]

lighting should be a lot better in 1.14.2

[robust quest]

Correct, but at the cost of many TPS

[pulsar wigeon]

well, i mean compared to 1.14 or 1.14.1

[alpine basalt]

Mojang is shooting themselves in the foot, bad time to screw up especially with the people that are coming back to MC after so long

[pulsar wigeon]

idk about compared to 1.13 lol

[robust quest]

If it was a 1.13.2 > 1.14.1 > 1.14.2

[pulsar wigeon]

eh

[robust quest]

If it was fresh gen 1.14, then it good.

[alpine basalt]

Lord have mercy, when 1.14 came out my TPS never was higher than 12

[pulsar wigeon]

1.14.2 fixed a lot of light issues over 1.14.1 afaik

[placid thicket]

this one was supposedly a M$ screwup by forcing them into a release the same time as bedrock. i have no source for this its just what others have told me

[alpine basalt]

I don't get that mentality behind a game company. Like, where do you see a benefit by forcing an update? like I get you need to meet deadlines but the games been out for a long time, pushing an update for it isnt the end of the world

[alpine basalt]

It's a free update, not like they are gonna profit off of it, might as well make it good.

[limber knot]

I mean Microsoft kinda wins by having the Java edition be more broken than bedrock...

[wide chasm]

Wouldn't you make it good when you'd profit from it?

[alpine basalt]

true

What's bedrock again?

[robust quest]

Bugs are one thing...you can't reasonably test everything in every way. But crippling lag? All you have to do is start a 1.14 in singleplayer and run around in new chunks to realize you f*cked up.

[wide chasm]

The engine used for everything besides Java and New 3DS versions

[placid thicket]

and Ps4 at the moment

[alpine basalt]

So are they gonna try and get rid of the java version, similiar to the windows 10 version? 😛

[limber knot]

@C​el​eb​ri​mb​or​ doesn't matter when your boss says "we are releasing now!"

[alpine basalt]

me when my staff says "we cant open the server yet, spawns not protected" me:"thats a risk we are willING TO TAKE"

[placid thicket]

well they renamed 'minecraft' to 'minecraft java eddition' and 'minecraft bedrock' to 'minecraft' so you tell me

[limber knot]

they also get pissy if you call "Minecraft" "Minecraft: Bedrock Edition"

[unreal quarry]

@alpine basalt what I've learned over the past 10 years running a mc server: if players can... players will.

[pulsar wigeon]

huh

but doesn't the main page of minecraft.net advertise the java edition?

[inland fiber]

I'm almost on releasing my server for prod but scared that it will lagg :<

[alpine basalt]

Owning a mincraft server really makes you realize that you HAVE to learn from your mistakes

[inland fiber]

@placid thicket How's 1.14.2 with you?

[alpine basalt]

I'm sure 90% of us have forgotten to protect something such as spawn just to get on and see it all busted up xD

[placid thicket]

@inland fiber after paper 53 everything is hunky dory, pushing to live now. wish me the best!

[inland fiber]

Same for me

[limber knot]

I like how there are literally 3 buttons on minecraft.net that just lead to you buying the java edition and none for bedrock xD

[inland fiber]

Wish you the best maa friend ;>

[pulsar wigeon]

yea you literally have to go to the store page, scroll down to the "for your device" section, and find the right one there

[unreal quarry]

I wrote my own land claim plugin, and I forgot to not let admin claims (such as spawn) be transferred to another player. Had one of my admins try to give them perms to a child claim and ended up giving them all of spawn

^_^

[pulsar wigeon]

there's no one "buy" button for bedrock like there is for java

uh tf billy

[alpine basalt]

Would bedrock version be able to connect to any server or are they gonna make everyone choose one or th eother?

[pulsar wigeon]

does your ownership go upwards through inheritance?

[placid thicket]

bedrock can connect to all bedrock servers on any device. java is only java

[pulsar wigeon]

or was the admin just a dummy

[unreal quarry]

Ownership goes up

[pulsar wigeon]

that's retarded first of all

so your children are actually parents

[unreal quarry]

Lol I know ^_^

[alpine basalt]

So.. that seems like a good thing right? We could have cross platforming servers? maybe?

[limber knot]

no, Bedrock isn't supported on Mac, Linux and any Windows below 10

[pulsar wigeon]

yea, we have cross platform servers atm

[unreal quarry]

Or Playstation

[placid thicket]

bedrock already does, ios,android,win10,xbox1,nintendo switch can all play together

[pulsar wigeon]

it's called java edition

:^)

no one cares about the other platforms

[limber knot]

and java runs on 30 billionen devices!

runs

[alpine basalt]

I would love to be able to get on my server from my phone ;-;

[placid thicket]

would help if java didnt run like ass...

[limber knot]

nah, that's just minecraft

[pulsar wigeon]

30 billionen

[unreal quarry]

Java isn't the problem @placid thicket

Smh

[pulsar wigeon]

i read that with a german accent

[limber knot]

java can be fast if used right

[alpine basalt]

yeah gosh

we only use 80% of our cpu instead of 87%

[placid thicket]

well there TECHNICALLY is a plugin for java to let bedrock clients connect
java, referring to the edition of minecraft, not the language itself sorry.

[limber knot]

Turns out, 10 year old applications arent as fast as they could be

[alpine basalt]

Im intrigued fo rhtis plugin flanigo

[pulsar wigeon]

turns out 1⃣0⃣ year old 🍝 is 💩

[limber knot]

it's half broken

but ProtocolLib has a branch for bedrock client support

[alpine basalt]

Really?

[limber knot]

and iirc some ViaVersion people are working on something like that too

[alpine basalt]

I'm having such a hard time understanding what this all means though

[placid thicket]

https://forums.spongepowered.org/t/dragonproxy-connect-to-pc-servers-using-minecraft-bedrock/10549

[alpine basalt]

And i literally just graduated so I dont know what that means fo rme

[placid thicket]

bedrock doesn't have very good mod support and redstone is a bit weird but is cross platform, java has mod support and runs like ass, but has paper, plugins and more

[alpine basalt]

Ahhh I see

I think its just best for me to stick with java version lmfao

[void void]

`

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[merry talon]

I cant believe I have no idea of the state of bedrock servers having been here so long

probably because bedrock is trash

is there plugins?

[upper flicker]

The client runs so smoothly though

Inputs feel like butter

[merry talon]

hm

[upper flicker]

That’s about all the good I have to say

They made some standard optimizations (not ticking every chunk in view distance)

But they also don’t really tick very far out

Most games do that but they don’t limit it to like 3 chunks

[merry talon]

Thats.. pretty low

[upper flicker]

afaik there are no “tiers” either

It’s either all ticking or not at all

Most games tend to have different types/layers so they can be more specific

Maybe they’ll do that some time later

[merry talon]

Sounds fun for farming

[verbal garnet]

id give my left nut for half the smoothness of bedrock on Java

[wide chasm]

So, you just lose your left nut? /s

[verbal garnet]

java is like 1/4 as smooth at best xD

[merry talon]

I guess their priorities are different

With bedrock they just want to get everyone with any device into the game

[verbal garnet]

with enough work bedrock should be able to totally replace Java, but that leaves the question of Linux/Mac/Older Windows support - and as a Linux weenie I'm not feelin the love MS

[merry talon]

I cant really imagine having a long lasting world on mobile, just something to mess around in

[limber knot]

Bedrock will never replace java

[merry talon]

I hope not

[limber knot]

They are hiring yet another guy for the mojang office

As a gameplay programmer on the java edition

[verbal garnet]

I think it would take a reallllly long time but i dont see why its not possible. a single unified version of MC could be really awesome for the health of the game

[tardy lynx]

Make bedrock protocol compatible with java

[limber knot]

Bedrock just isn't as modding friendly, it's mircosofts toy

In game store and all that bs

I don't need that in my live

[verbal garnet]

yeah that could change tho... lol

i mean the store bs is there forever im sure :<

[unreal quarry]

They gotta get their 2.5 billion back

[merry talon]

so the playstation version is it's own thing huh

[wide chasm]

Imagine the mess we'd be in if Bedrock would take over. People start making their own Java Edition updates, and suddnely there are twenty. Paper only supports ~5, Sponge supports 7, 3 Paper also has and 4 others, Glowstone sticks to Paper but adds 4 additional layers for other versions. Someone wanted Paper for another mc version, so we now have PaperTacoMix and all plugin developers have 17 modules to support everything.

[merry talon]

that's kinda shitty

[unreal quarry]

Blame Sony for that one

[merry talon]

I won't pay them $12 a month to use my internet connection either way

[verbal garnet]

isnt the ps4 version of bedrock still WIP or is there political reasons for it no being out

[unreal quarry]

Sony politics

[wide chasm]

I think it has to do with Sony disallowing crossplay

[unreal quarry]

It's not crossplay they disagree with, it's the downloading of custom assets

[verbal garnet]

thru the ingame store thing?

[unreal quarry]

Yeah

[wide chasm]

Why's that?

[verbal garnet]

cant sony just give them a cut and/or use sony's store?

[unreal quarry]

/shrug

They did the same to Skyrim and others

No custom assets

That's why Skyrim mods on PS4 suck compared to pc

[wide chasm]

Ah, nice, undercutting your own market, by blocking content from massive games, sounds good

[verbal garnet]

Well, Japan has always been an odd country lmao

[unreal quarry]

It boils down to a security thing. They don't want anything coming into their consoles without going through them

[limber knot]

So Sony is the apple of console makers?

[unreal quarry]

Never know if someone has made a Minecraft skin that contains binary code that takes advantage of some flaw that runs it natively on the system and steals your CC info, etc

[limber knot]

And mircosoft the Google?

[verbal garnet]

I guess I could appreciate that but as an OSS lover i like to man handle my hardware however tf i want

[placid thicket]

except even apple supports bedrock so...

[unreal quarry]

Pretty much, mini

I don't agree with Sony on this one either ^_^

[limber knot]

I don't own consoles, soooo

[wide chasm]

If Microsoft can pull of some nice marketing next gen, they might take the upper hand partly because of this.

[limber knot]

Nah, console sales are decided by exclusives

If you got more and better system sellers at a competitive price you win

And Sony got ps vr

[wide chasm]

Well, they just undercut massive games, it's not like we're talking about some indie release with 100 downloads. If I would want to play Skyrim/Minecraft, the best experience lies in Xbox as it stands.

[verbal garnet]

PC* 😉

[unreal quarry]

Ppl been saying for decade Sony is shooting themselves in the foot with PlayStation. Yet ppl still keep buying them

[unreal quarry]

The last big uproar was locking the os. No more installing Linux on it

[limber knot]

Did nobody break the PS4 yet?

.g ps4 Linux

(MiniDigger) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHjTXYBSRck -- Running Steam on PS4 Linux - YouTube: "Apr 24, 2016 ... I'm using ARCH Linux on PS4 running 1.76 fw. To get Steam to run, you'll need to compile and install BOTH 64bit and 32bit patched..."

[unreal quarry]

The uproar before that was psn was hacked and down for days, etc

[limber knot]

Of course it's arch

Uuuh, the psn hack, that was fun

[acoustic pilot]

I bought a PS3 not too long ago off eBay, for like $70 so I could play my favorite PS1/2 classics from PSN. As long as Sony keeps the PSN up with those available, I'll prob keep buying from them 😄

[verbal garnet]

i knew a guy that bought a cluster of PS3 for a linux F@H stack

[limber knot]

I have a PS3 that I sometime abuse as blueray player

Used to play mw3 on it back when that game was modern, lol

[verbal garnet]

i dont know that ive ever played a blu-ray movie in my life

[acoustic pilot]

still a bunch of good games you can play on the PS3, IMO

[wide chasm]

I have never played a blu-ray movie before.

[verbal garnet]

despite having a combined ~4 BD players across my systems

[acoustic pilot]

The PS3 used to be the most capable and cheapest BluRay player on the market when BluRay was new and it was in a contest against HD DVD

[wide chasm]

I have zero

[acoustic pilot]

But even back then it was still like $500 lol

[verbal garnet]

"$599 US DOLLARS"

That is in my head

FOREVER

[merry talon]

Xbox is already better current gen

And has better marketing

People just like good exclusives

[verbal garnet]

i mean it makes sense that the games are the focus; hence the Switch

but honestly both current gen consoles are extremely underwhealming to me performance wise. i watch my friend play Overwatch and I could not believe the bar was that low

[acoustic pilot]

Beyond that, I'll never grasp how shooters are even fun on console 😛

[verbal garnet]

Well that is another topic lmao dont get me started

[acoustic pilot]

Such an unintuitive control scheme

[merry talon]

They are if you've never touched a PC game in your life

[verbal garnet]

shudders

[acoustic pilot]

I think my first console shooter was with the nintendo, playing duck hunt, but I had the gun so that's different.

First controller-based shooter I played was probably Goldeneye on N64

And that made me want to end myself.

[verbal garnet]

yeah same, duck hunt and goldeneye

i bought an n64 for some nostalgia

i got half way thru the game and gave up

its just terrible with those controls

[wide chasm]

Well, that's the N64, that's like, 20 years ago or so?

[verbal garnet]

yeah 25 even

[acoustic pilot]

yeah I don't think I finished it either

Oh I've had subsequent experiences 😛

Halo was another terrible one

[verbal garnet]

as a kid i played the absolute crap outa it but once i played Counter-Strike..... That was that

[unreal quarry]

I have n64 roms on my pi and use a ps4 controller to play it ^_^

[verbal garnet]

pi3?

im surprised any pi is fast enough

[unreal quarry]

3b+, yup

[limber knot]

Reminder for DiscordBot: It's tuesday.

[unreal quarry]

Look up retropie

[verbal garnet]

ive used it!

just didnt bother to try anything >ps1

[unreal quarry]

N64 is < ps1

[acoustic pilot]

PS1 IMO is the golden age of console gaming

[verbal garnet]

my NAS has 3TB of ROMS so i was well occupied with the older 90s stuff

[acoustic pilot]

At least for me because I'm a big JRPG fan

Unboxing that PSX in some Christmas of the late 90s... unlocked a whole world for me 😄

[limber knot]

how often do you guys win chargebacks against a bank?

[pulsar wigeon]

banks...aren't generally merchants?

why would you chargeback against a bank

what faulty thing did your bank sell you?

[verbal garnet]

Ill take your word Billy, but Ive always felt that ps1 emulation was better for me than n64

[limber knot]

a toaster

[acoustic pilot]

the bank is the one who reverses a transaction if the customer wants to charge back

[pulsar wigeon]

well, or the payment processor depending on how you pay

[acoustic pilot]

customer calls bank, bank reverses transaction, paypal takes money from your account to reflect that change

well this is a chargeback, not a dispute

[limber knot]

it is still possible to win those

[pulsar wigeon]

yea not really sure what the question is tbh

[acoustic pilot]

a chargeback is specifically a payment reversal by the financial institution

[limber knot]

i win every 5th chargeback or so from a bank

[acoustic pilot]

for practical purposes, no it's not really possible to win those for digital goods.

[limber knot]

it really is

[acoustic pilot]

you can win disputes since you're dealing with paypal and there's a more open process for that

[limber knot]

nah

i win like 99% disputes with paypal

only ~15% winrate against a bank

[acoustic pilot]

but vast majority of bank-issued reversals are lost for digital goods. banks are going to almost always side with their customer esp when the merchant can't even prove an honest sale was made.

[pulsar wigeon]

don't accept payments directly from banks then?

[limber knot]

Reminder for DiscordBot: I think this was the most boring day, here's a spicy meme @austere ivy https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/555469074080202765/582286579704266755/unknown.png

it goes through paypal wiz

[pulsar wigeon]

so shouldn't you be disputing with paypal?

[acoustic pilot]

people pay thru paypal, they might be paying with their credit, debit or directly from their bank, but any of those can be charged back.

[pulsar wigeon]

very confused about what the question is now

[limber knot]

ye, all they do i just pass that info to banks

[acoustic pilot]

paypal is the one who disputes on your behalf with the institution, yes

paypal has an interest in winning those chargebacks too because every chargeback costs paypal money

[limber knot]

so youre still dealing with a bank in an indirect way

[acoustic pilot]

and they pass on a portion of those chargeback fees to the sellers.

[pulsar wigeon]

right, but you shouldn't be in contact with the bank at all

only through paypal

[limber knot]

of course not

[acoustic pilot]

correct, you're not in conctact with the bank, only paypal is, and that's a large reason why you almost never win

[limber knot]

wat lol

[acoustic pilot]

paypal processes so many of these you have to expect they aren't putting in their best effort with each case.

[limber knot]

its more profitable for a bank to keep its customer, no matter what talks to it

doesnt matter much who talks to it

paypal just makes it convinient

[acoustic pilot]

obviously, which strengthens the argument that banks almost always side with the customer in chargebacks of digital goods.

[limber knot]

banks side with a customer no matter what

[acoustic pilot]

if paypal can't convince the bank that you should keep that money, you lose, and that's pretty much how it goes most of the time.

[limber knot]

i know a guy who charges back 1-3 random transactions a month, each transaction is about 1000$

banks just give him money back

the guy is a piece of shit btw

[verbal garnet]

that sounds like probably illegal

[limber knot]

yeah, most chargebacks are

[acoustic pilot]

it's definitely fraud, it's just difficult to enforce.

from paypal's perspective they have to probably determine at what point it's wiser to simply eat the cost

[limber knot]

there are APIs for collection agencies, funny shit

[acoustic pilot]

i mean, they do fight on your behalf

with the information you provide

but based on my years selling, doesn't seem to me they put in a whole lot of effort

[limber knot]

eh, srsly tho

[acoustic pilot]

As a seller if you're generating a chargeback rate higher than 2%, PayPal will drop you any way

[limber knot]

did it ever happen to you?

[acoustic pilot]

No, I'm a good seller

or was

[limber knot]

ah, know anyone who had this issue?

[acoustic pilot]

Not that I sell much anymore, aside from my services

[limber knot]

still thinking about using API from collection agencies

it was stupidly cheap too

basically some mad bois will annoy the crap out of someone for a flat $$$ monthly payment

i think they take a % if collection agency succeeds

[acoustic pilot]

sure, I know what a collection agency is, and with US-based consumers you probably could, but doubt that'll produce any positive outcome other than annoying someone who already screwed you lol

They won't succeed

[limber knot]

eh, sometimes they will

i dont really count on it tho

[acoustic pilot]

They really won't.

[merry talon]

does PayPal not get mad at you for charging back rather than using their dispute process?

[acoustic pilot]

From a buyer's perspective I don't know actually

[limber knot]

pretty sure paypal has some protection against that, as they still lose money

[alpine basalt]

It's probably like when you go into a store 10 minutes before they close, they say its okay, but when they go to the back theyre cussing you out

[limber knot]

i heard fraudsters talking about it "how sucky it is that paypal makes it harder to keep using it"

[unreal quarry]

Chargebacks were invented to protect people against scams. It didn't really solve anything because the scammers just switch from the seller side to the buyer side. :/

[limber knot]

i just really want to annoy fraudsters

[acoustic pilot]

Well, I think it's generally a good thing that consumers have a lot of power against that.

[limber knot]

i think 9-30$ a month for an API with collection agency just might be worth it ^_^

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah the few chargebacks that do happen are super annoying

But the rate at which they occur is negligible

[tardy lynx]

use bitcoin

[acoustic pilot]

Institutions will drop you if you exceed a chargeback rate of 2%, which already says how infrequent they are.

[limber knot]

eh 2% is a lot tbh

especially forced bank chargebacks

well, thanks for a nice chat guys

[acoustic pilot]

Still haven't heard of anyone going out of business from them.

Except maybe 14 year olds

[limber knot]

remember to drink lots of water and exercise

[gloomy sphinx]

what's worse if they have found a better way to scam as the seller by acting as if the product doesn't work and requesting a small refund

[merry talon]

Chargebacks are for fraud, not necessarily scams

They'll reverse anything though lol

[acoustic pilot]

You get to a point when the question becomes who determines what's fraudulent or not? Do we need a court case for every potential refund demand? lol

So the current system makes sense.

[static badge]

yes take it all to court!

[gloomy sphinx]

you would think it would be clear to them - just send the product back

[alpine basalt]

Theres about to be a mega court case in Ohio lol

[merry talon]

Well they don't really care whether its fraudulent

Only that you continue doing business with them

[acoustic pilot]

Yep, it's only natural that a profit-driven entity is going to take action to preserve or grow profits.

[merry talon]

You'll always have to cut your losses one way or another selling goods and services

[acoustic pilot]

There's existing legal systems for recourse that can be pursued.

If you really want to take it that far.

[merry talon]

No one like us will ever see that being worth it though

[echo dagger]

Hi, ive noticed really bad server side performance lately on 1.14 spigot builds..
Does paper really make any significant difference?

[acoustic pilot]

You could refuse to accept payment from buyers who don't provide accurate billing information, refund fakes etc. If you're big enough, you can even be your own merchant, instead of going through PayPal, and deal with banks directly.

[unreal quarry]

@echo dagger paper makes it better, but not by much. The issue is a vanilla issue. Mojang is working to fix it

[merry talon]

Right, it's an art of how strict you can be without losing sales

[echo dagger]

I see.. is there a place where I can see what paper changed from spigot?

[unreal quarry]

GitHub

Patches are all there

[tardy lynx]

What's the fastest vertical elavator?

in vanilla

[verbal garnet]

jumping from a high place down onto a bed (sorry i have no idea so i just give jokes instead)

[tardy lynx]

upwards

in survival mc without commands

oh

[verbal garnet]

water is ez not fast!

[tardy lynx]

that's what I got already lol

1.12.2

[verbal garnet]

how about just scaffolding

[limber knot]

bed glitching should be fastest

runs

[tardy lynx]

Renewable

[verbal garnet]

ladders?

lol

[tardy lynx]

Water faster

[verbal garnet]

aside from some janky ass redstone stuff you prolly not have a ton of options

[tardy lynx]

naw but lag

it'll run like 3 players on 1.13

this is what we have rn

[verbal garnet]

yeah do that

xD

[tardy lynx]

stop bully

[verbal garnet]

^

[tardy lynx]

I'm on the lastest stable release what do you want?

[verbal garnet]

cmon Paper 53 for 14.2 is like 6+ hours old now its stable as a rock xD

[tardy lynx]

that'll run like 2 players

[verbal garnet]

thats 1 more than singleplayer so....

good enough?

[tardy lynx]

Well there's 7 people on the server rn so...

[verbal garnet]

honestly probablly like reddit or a building Discord would yeild better answers

[tardy lynx]

runs

[verbal garnet]

i literally use ladders, stairs, scaffolding, water etc for navagating the world. ive never bothered to research anything faster, and every redstone elevator ive seen looks like a nightmare to build manually so...

[limber knot]

https://i.moep.tv/bITTmUkT.png 🤔

[static badge]

[limber knot]

also bungee doesn't filter the tab completions for plugin command permissions at all :S

[pulsar wigeon]

wew

[echo dagger]

I pregened with 1.14.[0]

[robust quest]

Pregened 1.14.1 and then updated to 1.14.2. No problems, besides the general inefficiency everyone is having.

I believe the map and lighting update critical issues are tied to going 1.13.2 > 1.14.x

Compared to 1.14.0 and 1.14.1, yes. Much better.

[void void]

how long does it take to pregen like 32k

[static badge]

monkaW

1000,000 chunks that is

[verbal garnet]

Using WorldBorder: "World has border radius 5000" This took me 2-3 hours but like roughly half of it was already generated

[static badge]

on my test server I got like 30 max per second

.wa 100000/30

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Exact result: 10000/3 - Decimal approximation: 3333.333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333... - https://is.gd/DZEy7W

[static badge]

[sturdy fulcrum]

Don’t use a password lol

Ssh key

[golden gust]

best way is to look at individual components

[merry talon]

ssh key is a really really long password

[golden gust]

ssh, well, use a privkey and disable password authentication

web server? ensure that perms are configured properly (and that you're not using apache) for ex

[sturdy fulcrum]

So is it fact that paper removed the strictness with events on which thread it’s fired on? Saw chat control update and it stated that they require paper for the leniency

[void void]

nice

[static badge]

we technically do not touch leniency

we do fix md69's retardedness though and it does have an effect

[sturdy fulcrum]

Care to explain the effect

[static badge]

md69 decided it was a nice idea to modify Bukkit#isPrimaryThread

if a plugin decides to disable the async catcher

that function always returns true

[sturdy fulcrum]

Just wondering why that strictness was even introduced

Asyncplayerchatevent doesn’t even follow the rules

[static badge]

it's old but it's to ensure you're not firing events which lie about their asyncness

and that event does

it just can be fired from the main thread, and it does modify isSync to note when that's the case

[sturdy fulcrum]

Java doc says the thread the event is fired on isn’t guaranteed

[static badge]

it does say it fires sync only if a plugin triggered the chat

[sturdy fulcrum]

Next question.. is there a way to allow both with custom events without the super constructor defining which thread

[void void]

via super dirty hacks, probably

28.05 21:06:57 [Server] INFO Total OS RAM: 62.78 GiB
28.05 21:06:57 [Server] INFO Free OS RAM: 722.38 MiB

Worst server ever.

wut

That how much RAM is remaining on the host's node.

[sturdy fulcrum]

I’d like to fire on any thread lol

Like old days

[void void]

that's bit critical indeed, however depends how it measures the ram usage

e.g bunch of ram could be in use by disk cache

If it doesn't free up it going to turn into a brick to a hanging/OOM crash.

which is managed by kernel

Oh and this is from the LagMonitor plugin.

yeah depends what it considers as a "free wam"

[acoustic pilot]

need more dedotated wam

[void void]

^ legit

And here the irony I PAID for way more than that amount of RAM left.

[acoustic pilot]

u idiot dont tell everyone how to download free ram

[void void]

ooof sry my dude

@sturdy fulcrum can you bring an example?

[sturdy fulcrum]

Wym

[void void]

i've seen people call super(Bukkit.isMainThread())

[sturdy fulcrum]

I’d like to fire my event sync and async

[void void]

or w.e

[sturdy fulcrum]

That’s it

[void void]

When should I cut the server to preserve the data to prevent it from being corrupted by a hang/OOM hardware crash ? If not now?

[sturdy fulcrum]

Currently it fires async and I define that in the super constuctor of event for mine but that doesn’t allow it to fire sync

[void void]

err, whops - negate that isMainThread check

[sturdy fulcrum]

In spigot not paper

Trying to be compatible with both tho

[void void]

s/Main/Primary/

[acoustic pilot]

why are things hanging/crashing from memory

[void void]

I mean BEFORE it does?

[acoustic pilot]

give it less memory? are you overallocating? is it a memory leak or what

[void void]

No it's the host most likely overloading the node.

@void void how much wam does your server have?

assigned i meam

I ordered 3GB the node is a 64GB node.

mean*

ugh

and I hardly using half othat.

so I could easily send the node to the grave.

[acoustic pilot]

Are you using custom startup flags?

[void void]

No I am on shared hosting

Just over half GB left now.

[acoustic pilot]

you should look at the actual heap size and not system memory

essentials can show it with /gc

[void void]

28.05 21:17:15 [Server] INFO Reserved used RAM: 951.81 MiB
28.05 21:17:15 [Server] INFO Reserved free RAM: 586.19 MiB
28.05 21:17:15 [Server] INFO Reserved RAM: 1.50 GiB
28.05 21:17:15 [Server] INFO Max RAM: 3.00 GiB

[acoustic pilot]

i'm guessing you might have a memory leak in your server or something, so heap statistics would be better for determining that

[void void]

paper (or mc servers generally) seem to use offheap a lot

[acoustic pilot]

system ram isn't really useful information in making that determination

[void void]

so you can freely assume 3+3gb at peak usage

So I only have 1.5GB reserved while the limit is 3GB. So with just over half GB on the node it going to crash if my/someone else uses more than that right?

[acoustic pilot]

Presumably the host already has something in place to kill a specific customer's server process if it uses too much memory

without affecting other customers

but that's just my guess

[void void]

Yea but why let it go this low, that's MORE than 99.9% node usage with just over GB.

?

[acoustic pilot]

hosts oversell, not shocking

[void void]

Which means it can crash as I expected correct?

[acoustic pilot]

Not if it never dips too low

You should rule out a memory leak first before blaming the host though, unless you have conclusive evidence to lay the blame at their door.

[void void]

Yea I am not leaking RAM because my heap is fine as it only reserving half towards the server and if there is a leak out of the host wouldn't killed it by now since it's in a Docker Container with only 512MB extra RAM.

[acoustic pilot]

Cool, since you're an expert guess you got it all under control 😉

[sturdy fulcrum]

Thank god for taco Tuesday

Lol those aren’t even tacos

I made my wife stop at the Mexican spot on her way home

10 steak tacos for 15

Get one

It’s worth it

[proud mountain]

taco bell tacos def arent real tacos but they are still delicious for what they are

taco bell is its own food category haha

[limber knot]

what does it say?

well what does the the console show?

[void void]

The only "issue" that I seen from them is the fact that they use a cheese product (it's still "real" cheese just mixed with other junks to make it lasts and etc) as well as their beef only being 80% along with soy and etc for "flavor and textures". But frankly probably serve more like a filler lol.

[clear portal]

is it safe to update to 1.14.2 yet

[rose pier]

Maybe you tried to allocate more ram than was available.

[placid thicket]

@clear portal what version are you on now?

[clear portal]

1.14.1

[placid thicket]

Then yes

[clear portal]

aight

[limber knot]

@A​nd​GK​ some of the flags might require additional ram to be allocated, memory is litereally magic with java

[cursive narwhal]

Wonder if we can just have messages that announce the world save so that players know why the server is paused

Until async is a thing again

[limber knot]

there's an event when the world is saved

[cursive narwhal]

Is the event called before or after the save is done?

[void void]

VPSes are a birch because of IO it's always a problem on VPS nodes.

[limber knot]

before

[void void]

So that why it takes longer to load on a VPS. Since the world is competing for the drives (meaning less IO for you)

[limber knot]

interesting, the progressupdate of the save method is never used...

[void void]

As long as the Minecraft server have enough RAM and CPU it shouldn't take long to load unless the disks are in heavy use. EG if you used 4GB on your PC and your VPS is like 6GB then both should be about as fast as one another assuming CPU and disk are not in competing.

Even on shared it doesn't take long than 16 seconds.

[robust quest]

My gen out to a 7500 border took about 2.5 days. It was on Spigot 1.14.1 because I started the gen before WB tried to support Paper.

[void void]

1.14.2 is de facto faster than 1.13.2 but they broke papers asinch one.

[pulsar wigeon]

gj MC world gen https://i.imgur.com/DbBUr0d.png

[worn ember]

Very cool

[pulsar wigeon]

me too thanks

[merry talon]

@cosmic raft more free food lol

chinese this time

[cosmic raft]

oh?

how this time

???

[merry talon]

incomplete address

and their phone was dead

[cosmic raft]

so how'd you end up getting it then

[merry talon]

well there was no way to deliver it

no way to contact the customer

[marble summit]

https://imgur.com/a/4muP1nB

Mmmmmmm

I got steam working again

Been playing melodys escape

Its such a fun rhythm game

[cosmic raft]

sure, but how did you end up with the food