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serene quail
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but size wise a 2 hour FAT documentary took only twice as much 27 minute compressed for youtube doco

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but there was like a 6 month diffrence between the uploads

merry talon
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hm

serene quail
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probably just upgraded their abilities between them

tardy lynx
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Any tips on server list banner?

wanton cedar
merry talon
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don't do the same thing as everyone else

worn ember
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isnt that wat they all say so they all do something "different" so they're all doing the same πŸ€”

serene quail
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yeah i think making one yourself that represents the server well is he best way to go

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because the templates everyone has and uses and it starts looking the same

tardy lynx
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I've made a very basic one

merry talon
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I think the concept of a banner is outdated

limber knotBOT
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black text on white background, no movement

tardy lynx
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Since the server is "Vanilla"

merry talon
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server list sites should accept a logo and a description

worn ember
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just make one in aftereffects and export as gif

merry talon
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and tags

tardy lynx
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(Paper + Coreprotect, ViaVersion, Worldedit)

worn ember
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no one cares abour the paper part

serene quail
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pretty much the same for me w/o worldedit

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also auth

tardy lynx
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Worldedit's always nice to have

merry talon
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no one cares about any of those really

worn ember
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you should use asyc world edit /s

merry talon
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they care about your culture and features

serene quail
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havent had a need to use it

tardy lynx
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Oh, that's not on the banner

serene quail
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mine is just an SMP for my friends

worn ember
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@merry talon idc if its paper or spigot though

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as long as it runs fine

merry talon
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thats what I just said

serene quail
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and a creative server for a project

worn ember
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shhh

tardy lynx
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I think that would be fine as "Vanilla"

merry talon
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I actually would care whether it's using paper

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but I'm not your average player

tardy lynx
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Most people wouldn't care if it's paper or those plugins

serene quail
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later on i want to add art/trading and globalwarming

merry talon
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lol global warming

mystic vault
serene quail
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spice some thing ya know

tardy lynx
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Description's always my weakest point

serene quail
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just write frendly comuniti

tardy lynx
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Uh, there is no community yet since it's not up

merry talon
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"community will be friendly"

tardy lynx
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I can say it's Community-Driven

worn ember
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isnt every server though

merry talon
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"there will be a community"

worn ember
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cuz you have no server without community lol

tardy lynx
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Server needs players, not community

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Minigames, PvP, etc

merry talon
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minigames are lame

worn ember
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well if no one sticks around to form the community you're doing it wrong

tardy lynx
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Yea I know how to do it

orchid pelican
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I make a Ubuntu Server USB and it doesnt boot into the installer? It just spits out the version like Ubuntu blah blah and sits there

tardy lynx
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idk how to brand it though, it's just plain vanilla

merry talon
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you sure you aren't using a live cd version

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where did you download it

orchid pelican
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from the ubutnu website

worn ember
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@orchid pelican is your hardware supported?

gloomy sphinx
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rip

worn ember
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its tha dump truck man owo

hot herald
orchid pelican
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My hardware is supported in the normal ubuntu

void void
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woa that pfp

orchid pelican
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so i would asume its supported by the server as well

void void
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well what does it spit out exactly?

tardy lynx
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I tried to install 64-bit on a x86 system before

void void
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take a picture?

orchid pelican
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it boots kinda and then just stops and spits out lie UBuntu Server 19.0.4 or Ubuntu Server 18.04.2 LTS

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i have tried both

gloomy sphinx
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ubuntu server is just not good anyway

tardy lynx
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Why?

orchid pelican
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then what should i sue

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use

gloomy sphinx
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debian

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more stable

merry talon
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uh

orchid pelican
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link

merry talon
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that doesnt help

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no

gloomy sphinx
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ubuntu server is like those overpriced spongebob ice creams

orchid pelican
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ubuntu is debian based

merry talon
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ubuntu is plenty stable

gloomy sphinx
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lol no

merry talon
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thats nonsense

gloomy sphinx
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ubuntu is not stable

worn ember
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i had bad experiences with unbuntu tbh

gloomy sphinx
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same

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great desktop

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but not for a server environment

merry talon
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LTS is just as stable as debian

orchid pelican
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ok then what debian distribution? can you link me?

gloomy sphinx
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debian 9

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just google for debian 9

tardy lynx
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wdym by "stable"?

merry talon
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don't switch distros because there's something wrong with your installer

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this is stupid as fuck

gloomy sphinx
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how

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maybe the ubuntu installer is fucked

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since ubuntu is just debian with extra shit stacked on top

merry talon
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you're an idiot

gloomy sphinx
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that you dont need in a server environment

merry talon
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stop

gloomy sphinx
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lol how

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who the fuck runs ubuntu server

orchid pelican
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The requested URL /debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso was not found on this server.

Apache/2.4.39 (Unix) Server at cdimage.debian.org Port 443
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nice one debian

merry talon
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@orchid pelican screenshot the output?

gloomy sphinx
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thats the netinst version

native thunder
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Lmao

orchid pelican
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of ubuntu server?

worn ember
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i use debian minimal install on my vps lol πŸ˜ƒ

orchid pelican
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shit was on the wrong debuian site lol

gloomy sphinx
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thats the direct link

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for the netinst

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remember when ubuntu released that fucked kernel

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just go with debian and never deal with added bs

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there is a reason enterprise servers run debian

merry talon
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for the love of god

orchid pelican
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god i love gigabit

merry talon
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this guy has no idea what he's talking about

gloomy sphinx
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sweepy

merry talon
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ubuntu is better for you as a beginner

worn ember
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fight fight fight

gloomy sphinx
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no iti snt

merry talon
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you don't need decade old proven stable packages

gloomy sphinx
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its exactly the same just added shit

merry talon
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lol...

tardy lynx
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I use ubuntu

gloomy sphinx
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the commands are all the same

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ubuntu is a desktop

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should never be used as a server

merry talon
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oh so you actually don't know anything

orchid pelican
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well at this point ubuntu wont even open the installer

tardy lynx
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Why not?

gloomy sphinx
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ubuntu server there is no point

orchid pelican
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so fuck it

gloomy sphinx
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go debian

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only the minecraft community runs ubuntu server

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because they are all retarded

worn ember
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oof

merry talon
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oh really

gloomy sphinx
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yes

merry talon
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why don't you look up that metric

tardy lynx
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I used ubuntu server what's wrong with it?

merry talon
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nothing

vestal jasper
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nothing he's just gatekeeping

merry talon
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people just get mad over their preferences not being met

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^^

gloomy sphinx
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ubuntu is far less stable

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it has more updated packages

vestal jasper
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How so

merry talon
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LTS is far more stable than he'd ever need

vestal jasper
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Updated packages doesn't = more stable

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What if I update my shit and the new features are unstable?

gloomy sphinx
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just do a quick google

tardy lynx
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Wouldn't it mean more features and bug fixes?

worn ember
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hes the gatekeeper to isengard

gloomy sphinx
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ubunt server bs debian

merry talon
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you keep flashing that word around but can't really grasp what it means for him

gloomy sphinx
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just google

vestal jasper
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It can mean more features and bug fixes but it can also mean more bugs

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Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

orchid pelican
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well i cant get ubuntu server to run ints installer so debian is a go doesnt really matter tbh

gloomy sphinx
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no one runs ubuntu server outside of the mc community lol

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ubuntu server is a joke

vestal jasper
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You're making the positive claim, you back it up.

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Don't tell us to back up your claims.

tardy lynx
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Ubuntu server worked fine for me

merry talon
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@orchid pelican are you familliar with adding repos and/or installing java from source

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if not you should probably use ubuntu

gloomy sphinx
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you can use ppa on debian...

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and it is easy to add sources to the sources.list

orchid pelican
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from source no

gloomy sphinx
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he doesn't even need to do any of that if he is running debian

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i mean

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minecraft

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apt install openjdk-8-jre

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done

merry talon
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he needs to use a recent java version yeah

gloomy sphinx
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use openjdk 8

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debian has up to openjdk11

orchid pelican
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i compile againsts 8 so i will use 8

gloomy sphinx
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if you want to update the kernel literally install it throught apt

tardy lynx
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I use raspbian lite and it seems exactly the same as ubuntu server

serene quail
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are there any ultrasimple anticheats that will just kick people when they stand on boats for too long that yall can recommend me for 1.13.2

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that are free

gloomy sphinx
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you clearly think debian is some fucking arch linux shit

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even arch is easy

merry talon
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i think debian is fine

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I just think you're a fucking mongoloid for recommending it to him over ubuntu

gloomy sphinx
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lol

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how?

tardy lynx
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I think both are equal

merry talon
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because its far outside his needs

gloomy sphinx
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how

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ubuntu is literally debian

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with shit installed

merry talon
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with shit he can make use of

gloomy sphinx
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no

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bloat

unreal quarry
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^

gloomy sphinx
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he needs java

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thats all

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lol'

unreal quarry
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debian best distro πŸ˜‰

gloomy sphinx
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sweepy do you have autism

merry talon
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ok, well now you're just spewing random words

golden gust
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What bloat is ubuntu installed with?

tardy lynx
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Raspbian does meet all my needs though

golden gust
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The base install is pretty clean so long as you don't start going crazy with packages

tardy lynx
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ssh, java, crontab

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apache2

gloomy sphinx
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you also rely on the ubuntu kernels

merry talon
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...they use the same kernel

gloomy sphinx
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a minimum debian install 10/10

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no

merry talon
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just a different repo

serene quail
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if you dont want bloat just run java ontop of barebones kernel

merry talon
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with newer kernel features that will benefit him

void void
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if you don't want bloat don't run java at all smh

vestal jasper
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Use what you want. Use what suites your needs.

gloomy sphinx
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you can update the debian kernel in 1 command

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no problem

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unless if you are running ovh lol

merry talon
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I thought you said

golden gust
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Not too sure what kernel issue you're talking about

merry talon
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ubuntu is literally debian

golden gust
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But it's not like shit doesn't happen

merry talon
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meaning you can also do that there

serene quail
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so yeah better go write a custom kernel because ebuntu is too fecken bloated with its colors and ssh and adn adnandnadnadnandand

golden gust
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All of them build their own kernels

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well, both*

worn ember
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I think we can all agree on one thing...

tardy lynx
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Ubuntu is basically debain with extra stuff installed, which may be useful, or may not be... Can we just leave it now

worn ember
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T-gay

tardy lynx
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T-bad

merry talon
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does debian not support colors lol

tardy lynx
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it does

serene quail
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yeah just use what is easier for you to use

worn ember
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ssh too lol

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heck even windows has that

vestal jasper
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2019
not using CP/M
lol

tardy lynx
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Actually

serene quail
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and the performance diffrence is too small imo to be bothered with such small diffrences

tardy lynx
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Windows server best server OS

worn ember
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true

unreal quarry
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Blasphemy!

golden gust
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Yea

worn ember
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ez remote desktop

golden gust
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Helps you cut down on heating costs

tardy lynx
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Yeah

serene quail
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not really compatible with most software

merry talon
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I'm assuming you can run WSL on windows server

worn ember
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just install a VM on the windows server

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lul

tardy lynx
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SSH, installing packages with one command, ext4 support, software raid support, good swap memory

merry talon
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basically what it does

worn ember
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apt install is legit πŸ’―

serene quail
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so yeah i need some really basic anticheat for 1.13.2(just preventing people from flying like a bazillion blocks)

worn ember
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windows should have something like that instead of their stupid app store

merry talon
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does debian have apt yet

worn ember
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yes

merry talon
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when was 9 even released

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oh 2017 lol

worn ember
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idk what version i'm running of debian but i know apt works

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lemme check

tardy lynx
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ok back to not pointlessly arguing

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Still struggling with writing server description

serene quail
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to be honest i didnt touch my server for like a year and it ran fine

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until now that i am updating to 1.13

merry talon
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ubuntu has livepatch

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so that's a nice part

tardy lynx
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... Do you think players will be fine with the server running 1.12.2 and not having newer features?

unreal quarry
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Ask them

tardy lynx
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I haven't started the server yet

merry talon
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people play on 1.2.5 still

worn ember
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modded mainly

serene quail
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my players really wanted 1.13.2 features and i updating

tardy lynx
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Most people would be using 1.14

serene quail
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i play on beta 1.8 vanilla servers

golden gust
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running on older versions ain't great unless you can cater to a niche

unreal quarry
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I've only ever seen two types of players, tho. The 1.8 "I need mah pee vee pee" and the "wen is 1.59 released?!"

merry talon
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couldn't they get the textures just by connecting with the 1.13 client

golden gust
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But, 1.13+ are just o.O

serene quail
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1.14 is alittle too phat

tardy lynx
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Yeah since it's running on a raspberry pi, and 1.14 isn't too great

worn ember
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i havent even loaded up 1.14

unreal quarry
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1.14 is fun ^_^

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But I think I'm having more fun with all it's issues than the players are lol

serene quail
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i heard some stories about 1.14

worn ember
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if you're a electricity selling company, yes

serene quail
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prefer not to even look at the general direction

unreal quarry
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It's suprisingly very playable here recently

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These last few paper build really push things in the right direction

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Still a ways to go, but it's doable

worn ember
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i remember a time when fully functional patches would come out and just a few bugfixes after a few weeks/months, now it just seems like all games are released broken and patched together with hotglue

tardy lynx
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Ima start dropping tps with 3-4 online

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with 1.13

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1.12*

wide chasm
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Mojang should really get a QA team for Java though

golden gust
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I mean, you're on a pi

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Not really sure if you could call it TPS

worn ember
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TPM

tardy lynx
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Been constant 20 with just me

golden gust
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They just need earlier pre-releases and people dedicated to manning the tracker

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But that's like o.O

tardy lynx
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It is 1.12.2 after all

merry talon
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the trend of unfinished games being released has existed for years now

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mojang is just getting started

worn ember
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@golden gust microsoft doesnt have that mentality though πŸ˜‰

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release it, fix it later

tardy lynx
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Yeah pretty much

wide chasm
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A proper QA team would be able to notice severe issues, such as the major ones in 1.14.

merry talon
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that's all game studios now

serene quail
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because of the needs of a very powerful server for further versions i though of getting a local dedicated server(its much much cheaper) but how can i let people from abroad connect with a decent speed

tardy lynx
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Due to being able to patch it after release because of internet

worn ember
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i prefer early access titles cuz you can at least tell they care about user feedback and bug reports (most of the time)

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unless your Wildcard

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lmao

serene quail
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because like they are throttling connections from outside the country

golden gust
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To me it mostly seems like release dates are being pushed on heavily

merry talon
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@serene quail what kind of speeds do you get?

serene quail
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the speed is high for people inside the country but it can be sometimes just shut down for people outside

worn ember
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its funny how the board gets to decide when releases are made, rather than the people actually making them ffs

merry talon
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good luck with that then

serene quail
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maybe like a relay or something idunno

wide chasm
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I think it'd be good if the open sourced minecraft entirely, so we can more easily help fix issues. Not that there ever gonna open source everything.

merry talon
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probably more cost effective to rent

serene quail
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i guess i will have to get in contact with the server provider

worn ember
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@serene quail i cant even connect to a server without getting kicked with this internet πŸ˜ƒ

serene quail
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oh no its the goverment throttling

worn ember
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its the neighbors throttling really

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lmao

serene quail
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the dedicated server provider

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like all outside connections in

golden gust
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Could maybe see if there is a local vps provider and setup some form of tunnel/proxy

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They miiight be in a better situation, but 🀷

worn ember
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i could provide you one for europe πŸ˜ƒ

merry talon
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that's gonna hit your latency

worn ember
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im not really using my vps anyway

serene quail
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like now i have a hetzner dedicated server in finland

merry talon
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though it could still be worth it I guess

serene quail
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but i server like 4 times better costs half as much here

worn ember
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where you from?

serene quail
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but connections from outside the country are usually slow

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china

worn ember
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probably shitty landlines

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or sea lines or whatever you call them

serene quail
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nah its just throttling like 100% sure

golden gust
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it's china being china

worn ember
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but then again, yeah i was gonna say

amber tinsel
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Isnt multicraft know for a beinig a bad server control?

All of our Minecraft servers ship with Multicraft, one of the most well known and intuitive control panels around.
worn ember
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china lmao

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its not bad

golden gust
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Among server devs and stuff who are experienced

worn ember
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its just not great

golden gust
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For end users, it's better than ssh

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🀷

serene quail
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to the finland server

merry talon
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wut

worn ember
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hey thats about my speed

serene quail
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usually its 5-7kb

golden gust
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And I thought mine was bad

serene quail
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thats also why i want in country

amber tinsel
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Wasnt there a new server conrol around?

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I cant remember the name of it.

golden gust
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There's a few control panels around

merry talon
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if you're getting throttled like that, there's a good change your connection won't be very reliable

golden gust
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ptero is the newest I know of that's worth looking at

worn ember
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the speedtest page doesnt even load for me lmfao

amber tinsel
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I mean a new one that was better then MultiC

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Ahha

golden gust
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But it has a few stupid quirks which last I knew were undocumented

serene quail
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because world size was 200gbs and i had to download it to convert it and remove chunks

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pretty much faster to take a hard disk and fly it

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like mail it

golden gust
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Well

merry talon
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pterodactyl is the only reasonable one really

amber tinsel
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ahha

golden gust
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How long would they take to go over the contents of the disk before china lets if actually hit your door? πŸ˜„

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*it

worn ember
serene quail
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what

golden gust
worn ember
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hyper

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6ms though

merry talon
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my speed is limited by the older NIC in this mobo lol

worn ember
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noice

golden gust
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landlord has the cheapest package fitted

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But, they offer symmetrical gigabit

worn ember
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thank god our internet lines arent as bad as our streetnet

golden gust
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When I was with my parents, we did have DSL

merry talon
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find out how much more you have to pay for them to upgrade it lol

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dunno why they would refuse

worn ember
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we have VDSL normally

golden gust
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Now that was hell, especially as lots of the telephone companies lines are several dozen years old so are just degrading

worn ember
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if my dad doesnt forget to pay the bills

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i remember the time where the phone would start ringing when we got a fax

merry talon
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the only other provider in my area is DSL and gives you like half a meg upload

worn ember
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frick

tardy lynx
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oof

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I have 70/20

worn ember
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thats almost as good as our college's network lol

merry talon
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I'd gladly go down to 250 to get symmetric speeds

wide chasm
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~95/95 for me

tardy lynx
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Should be fine for up to 9 players rite?

worn ember
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pretty sure upload is the more important one

tardy lynx
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yeah 20mbps

worn ember
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seems doable

tardy lynx
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with 5 view distance

worn ember
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why is upload so much more throttled most of the time?

forest patrol
worn ember
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essentially its just the same right?

merry talon
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because consumers usually need more download

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so ISPs allocate more to that

tardy lynx
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Yeah. I've pregenned the world, followed the optimisation guide, even overclocked a bit

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Anything else I can do?

serene quail
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speedtest barely seems to work

worn ember
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so they just allocate more bandwidth to download?

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makes sense

merry talon
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they could theoretically provide whatever proportion you want

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but they want you to pay for business internet then

tardy lynx
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I knew someone with 20 down and 40 up

serene quail
worn ember
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yeah

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probably the great wall of china blocking it

serene quail
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vpn anyway

tardy lynx
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:D

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So anything else I can do for performance?

worn ember
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not run on a pi

serene quail
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slaughter a pig and spill its blood on it

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worked amazingly

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i am dumb i left multiconnection mode on

tardy lynx
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While still using the pi

worn ember
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not much more you can do other than tweaking some configs

tardy lynx
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These are my configs, I've already followed the optimisation guide, I don't know if there's anything more that can be tweaked

worn ember
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Not really then

tardy lynx
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Alright

austere ivy
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@worn ember

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Where do you live!?

limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) Object References in 60s - length 1m 18s - 17 likes, 0 dislikes (100.0%) - 478 views - Peter Lawrey on 2019.05.22

austere ivy
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This is pretty useful.

gloomy sphinx
vestal jasper
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People severely underestimate how fast and easy it is to roll things back with plugins πŸ€”

tardy lynx
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Yep

vestal jasper
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Like I've had people join the server and instantly try to grief everything in sight

worn prairie
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Do you just use core protect?

vestal jasper
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Yeah

tardy lynx
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I'm gonna use just coreprotect yeah

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Used to use griefprevention too

vestal jasper
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./co rollback u:newplayer t:1h

tardy lynx
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o you can do users too

worn ember
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@austere ivy Belgium. Why?

vestal jasper
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coreprotect is insanely powerful

tardy lynx
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co rollback r:15 t:10m

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griefprevention's good too but it won't be good for my new server

worn prairie
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I hate gp tbh, but then again I don't really use it besides protecting spawn. But we have a vanilla serevr and someone keeps burning down my house

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So I'ma install coreprotect lol

limber knotBOT
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πŸ‘Œ

worn ember
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Just disable firespreaf

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Spread

tardy lynx
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It's really fast to rollback too, even on raspberry pi

worn prairie
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No because I'm going to find out who's doing it and get payback

tardy lynx
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Yeah get coreprotect

worn ember
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Fair enough

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Logs get so big tho

tardy lynx
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Any server where players can build should have coreprotect

worn ember
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Not really

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If you don't care about griefing/protection why would you bother

tardy lynx
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I use it a lot when modifying spawn too

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Make a modification, don't like it, rollback

austere ivy
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Frappe owo

serene quail
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looks like blood with milk

worn ember
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@austere ivy oy. You still didn't answer me

serene quail
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frozen blood

worn ember
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Pigskin

austere ivy
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@worn ember because those are literally amazing speeds

tardy lynx
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If players are in the same area there'll be less lag than if they were in different areas

worn ember
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@austere ivy it's a hotspot from my neighbors

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My internet is still down

austere ivy
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My internet is 100 down and 10 up

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Realistically more like 60 down and 6 up

worn ember
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Oof

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Amazing

tardy lynx
stiff yarrow
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my internet is 150/20 but it feels like its 1/1

tardy lynx
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Up to 80 / Up to 20

austere ivy
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Spectrum with it’s awful upload speeds >;(

tardy lynx
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I have the best I can get in my area without paying Β£300 a month for a leased line

peak dirge
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Spectrum is shitΓ©

austere ivy
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[Redacted by the NRA, FBI, IRS, CIA, IRC]

peak dirge
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Can't wait for fast internet at college.

peak dirge
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inspect element detected

stiff yarrow
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most people have t old me their campus has horrendously slow internet from being shared campus wide

austere ivy
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tux you’re doing it wrong, it has to be like this:

peak dirge
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[INSPECT ELEMENT DETECTED]

austere ivy
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There we go

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That’s more like it

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Weeoooweeooo

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Hey wait you have Nitro?!?

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Since when?

peak dirge
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@stiff yarrow but I get 100/10Mbps at my uni

tardy lynx
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Alright so if I tell people the server runs 1.12.2 less people will join but those who join are more likely to stay because they know it's 1.12.2

tropic flame
cosmic raft
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300/300 at home \o/

austere ivy
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COMCAST?

stiff yarrow
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I get 150/20 here, but it runs like shit, constant outages, basically terrible

peak dirge
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[ T H I S I S A T E S T ]

cosmic raft
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that who you have brian?

austere ivy
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^ spectrum in a nutshell.

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No, Spectrum. I’m on my phone but I have a story to tell, let me get on my computer

peak dirge
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I love it when Spectrum drops for like two hours randomly, always at a convenient time like 7PM on a Friday

tardy lynx
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Mine used to cut out for 5 mins 3-4 times a day before I switched

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Over here all the providers (bar one) use the same lines, so speed is almost exactly the same

spare gazelle
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Are there any tools geared at generating worlds fast? I'm currently using WorldBorder's fill functionality, but I think the game loop is slowing me down. Must be possible to get better performance by running only world gen?

tardy lynx
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But somehow switching fixed it, maybe the router

stiff yarrow
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in the city we have 1000/1000

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but I live outside the city

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whats with that horrendous upload speed

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jesus

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why isn't it equal

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what

austere ivy
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I'mback, and on my computer!

peak dirge
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@spare gazelle The main thing that slows you down is the fact that world generation is single-threaded, even with async chunk generation in Paper 1.13. The best way to get better world generation performance is to have beefy CPU and memory resources at your disposal.

austere ivy
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:D

stiff yarrow
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@cosmic raft

austere ivy
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So.

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Spectrum.

stiff yarrow
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Verify this

cosmic raft
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?

austere ivy
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Absolutely horrible.

austere ivy
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Spectrum, we had constant outages.

cosmic raft
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no it isn't

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I've got 300/300

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lol

tardy lynx
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Candian friend has 40 upload

austere ivy
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Spectrum is awful. Just for the company, they lobbied insanely to get net neutrality repealed, very scummy, overall bad company.

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THEN.

peak dirge
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Ashit Pai

austere ivy
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My family had outages CONSTANTLY. Not like outages LARGE outages, but like every 20 minutes I'd get a 3-5 minute outage.

tardy lynx
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What IS a good ISP in the US then?

austere ivy
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Google Fibre.

peak dirge
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None, lol

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You're fucked six ways to Sunday.

tardy lynx
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Capitali$m

peak dirge
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Unless you live somewhere where they have a muni network.

austere ivy
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Then, the internet would be slow sometimes. It'd dip into 20 download. Keep in mind we're paying for 100 down and 10 up. They have awful upload but it's all we can get.

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Added to the constant outages, we decided we needed to call someone.

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So, we finally called someone.

tardy lynx
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BT is pretty good here, and has 99% FTTC coverage or something

austere ivy
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This was all a long time ago so the memory's a bit foggy.

tardy lynx
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Hyperoptic is 900mbps for like Β£39 but only in some areas

golden gust
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For hyperoptic you basically need to be in a flat

austere ivy
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This guy comes inside and he's like "oh yeah we just need to do a speedtest" I'm like okay, you do that, I'm shy with new people (SoCiAl AnXiEtY) so I was just hiding in the corner.

tardy lynx
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38*

austere ivy
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So he does the speedtest connected to the router, 100 down and 6 or 7 up. I'm like, what? I did a router speedtest earlier and it was way less.

limber knotBOT
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Woo I'm on Hyperoptic

austere ivy
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I'm like, okay, whatever. Then this guy is like talking to us about something and then he's on our way.

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Then it continues again, so my mother again calls Spectrum.

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This time, they do some "network checking" or something, again, super long time ago, and they said "yeah we're seeing some problems"

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This next guy comes and he's nice and all. He gave us some free ethernet cables so that's good, we're still using those to this day.

spare gazelle
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@peak dirge My server is only generating 10 chunks / sec. 10Gb RAM, no core is running at 100% (i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz)

tardy lynx
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Did you change the max limit?

austere ivy
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Anyway he goes downstairs into another modem area for like the phone or something which is weird. He tells us we have a problem with the copper cables and there's "interference"

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I'm downstairs with him and he's like "yeah we need to run new cables" and we're like "that's too expensive" or something.

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So he gives us those free ethernet cables and he does another speedtest and then he's on his way.

golden gust
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I think Sky was better, even if they seem to be using the same lines as BT, BT was fine, but talk talk...

merry talon
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@cosmic raft you have that residential?

golden gust
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Oh lord, TT was unbelievably horrific

cosmic raft
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yes sweepy

tardy lynx
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Yep

austere ivy
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Throughout this entire time I've been reading on the interwebs that you should "get your own modem" because the ones your ISP gives you are garbage. So this entire time I was like "we need our own modem, tell them to replace the modem."

tardy lynx
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""""Up to 17mbps""""

limber knotBOT
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electroniccat: sky have LLU so you're only using BT stuff to the exchange

austere ivy
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OUTAGES COME AGAIN!

tardy lynx
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(actually 6.8)

austere ivy
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So we get another guy, keep in mind, they told us it was fixed 2 times already.

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This guy comes and then he's like "yeah let's try to replace the cables down in the basement" or something like that, and my father's helping him.

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Meanwhile I'm like okay how about we just replace the modem.

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They're saying, no no, that won't work, this modem is working fine.

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I'm like, replace the hekkin modem.

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So they then say that they need to get it shipped or something so the guy leaves and we wait. He comes back later again and then gives us more ethernet cables and then the modem.

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We pop that bad boy in and boom, no more outages.

limber knotBOT
austere ivy
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And that was it.

tardy lynx
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nice

golden gust
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Yea, most ISP routers are generally trashtier

austere ivy
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It wasn't the router actually.

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Specifically modem.

limber knotBOT
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The one from HO is actually pretty good

golden gust
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Over here it's generally some rebranded netgear crap

tardy lynx
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Hyperoptic is good

austere ivy
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I think it was a motorola modem.

merry talon
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mine gives me a signal like down the street

golden gust
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it's all built into one unit over here, tbh

limber knotBOT
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electroniccat: pls, technicolor normally :P

merry talon
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probably horrible for pollution

austere ivy
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Anyway so that was just a pain. I think they refunded us the $$$ from the appointments.

limber knotBOT
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Wait you had to pay for them to come out!?

austere ivy
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What a waste of time though. From then on I decided to do literally everything myself so I just replaced the modem and badabing badaboom.

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Later on I want to get a new router but current one is OK.

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Yeah.

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Wizard, yeah, that's just.. isps for you.

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We had a netgear router and a motorola modem I think.

golden gust
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I remember the netgear router that virgin media gave us when they offered a free router in the era when smartphones and wifi in everything was the norm

limber knotBOT
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One thing I really liked about this router

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The default admin password isn't just "admin" or "password"

golden gust
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Well, becoming the norm

limber knotBOT
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Ah yes

austere ivy
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Let me remote into my computer at home and check what we have for the router.

golden gust
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For wired stuff, netgear is great

merry talon
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default passwords arent a problem

austere ivy
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Yeah I bought two of their switches.

golden gust
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For some reason they can't seem to nail down wireless too well

merry talon
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its people not changing them lol

limber knotBOT
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Oh yeah

austere ivy
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One PoE switch and one not, they work great.

limber knotBOT
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But it's a randomly generated password for each unit

austere ivy
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FUN FACT DID YOU KNOW THAT UBIQUITI NEEDS PASSIVE POE?

merry talon
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that seems annoying

tardy lynx
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Can't you just use a linux box as a switch?

austere ivy
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Yeah I wish I knew that before I sunk 100$ into a new Netgear PoE router.

merry talon
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if you're doing a large deployment

limber knotBOT
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Fun fact did you know ubiquiti isn't PoE :P

austere ivy
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er, switch.

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Their access points are.

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Passive PoE. That's what we have here at least.

worn ember
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What's the difference between a modem and a router again?

limber knotBOT
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They mostly do consumer deployments, and they can scan the barcode and it gives them the password and stuff

austere ivy
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So we're just using passive PoE injectors.

golden gust
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modem deals with coax/fibre > your router, basically

austere ivy
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Modems are the things that decode and encode things, routers give you more ethernet points and put out the WIFI.

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ports* not points.

golden gust
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Router deals with.. routing... packets on your network

merry talon
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access points do wifi

austere ivy
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Router is basically a switch + access point (wifi) right?

worn ember
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Isn't it usually the same device tho?

tardy lynx
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Routers connect the LAN to the internet

golden gust
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pretty much

merry talon
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a wireless router sure

austere ivy
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Where I'm at we have a modem that has one coax in, and one ethernet out.

tardy lynx
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Modems connect the router to the outside cables

austere ivy
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Then that goes to our router.

worn ember
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I c

tardy lynx
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There's no modem here though

austere ivy
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Router puts out our magical radio waves and bada bing bada boom.

merry talon
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what I find really odd about rolling your own setup

limber knotBOT
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I mean, a router also does NAT and shit but that's the gist

tardy lynx
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Modem + Switch + WAP

merry talon
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high speed modems are fucking expensive

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and there's not many of them

golden gust
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Well, NAT is just routing

austere ivy
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what kinda advanced modems do you have!? o_O

golden gust
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πŸ˜› Just, more fancy

limber knotBOT
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Yeah, my provided router only really does about 600-700 on wifi

austere ivy
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o_O

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O_O

cosmic raft
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don't have a "modem" here \o/

golden gust
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The idea is that you get a decent modem and a decent wireless router, or go for some crazy oddball setup

austere ivy
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Speeds above 100 are incomprehensible to me.

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I need it, I want it, but it's so far away haha.

golden gust
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Most times the provided equipment is meh quality and will often not get you full speeds, especially on the higher packages

austere ivy
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kash I think you might just have a modem + router in one.

limber knotBOT
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Mhm

cosmic raft
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nope

austere ivy
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Unless you have an ONT.

cosmic raft
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yup ;D

austere ivy
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the magic of fibres

golden gust
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Pretty sure somebody was saying that some ISP pretty much stated that you needed your own gear VS theirs if you want good speeds

austere ivy
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man I'm jealous D:<

cosmic raft
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my setup

austere ivy
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Grr.

cosmic raft
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white box on right is the ONT

limber knotBOT
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Alcatel, oh god

austere ivy
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That's the UBS.

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errr.

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ubiquiti security gateway?

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usg?

cosmic raft
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no

austere ivy
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thingy at the top

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white little box?

cosmic raft
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that's a probe

limber knotBOT
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RIPE NCC yay

austere ivy
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Huh, what do those do?

cosmic raft
austere ivy
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Huh, that's cool.

limber knotBOT
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wizardfrag: not a fan of Alcatel-Lucent? :P

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Not massively :P

austere ivy
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How do I get one? ;o

limber knotBOT
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Step 1: Live in Europe

austere ivy
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I'm apply--

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oh

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Hey kash lives in Canada though.

limber knotBOT
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wizardfrag: you don't need to live in Europe

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lol

golden gust
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pretty sure virgin used to use alcatel stuff, and well, they switched to netgear

limber knotBOT
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they're all over the world

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Ah nice

austere ivy
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OK, got the router.

limber knotBOT
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Just RIPE is European

austere ivy
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Sagemcom F@ST 5260.

limber knotBOT
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but they aren't accepting new probes right now, last I checked

merry talon
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do they not provide a software version of that?

limber knotBOT
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working on a v4

austere ivy
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Yeah Spectrum provided that one for us. We should buy our own router, probably.

limber knotBOT
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electroniccat: the SuperHub 3 is an Arris

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but basically, my setup is: ONT -> switch -> EdgeRouter -> my network; ONT -> switch -> ISP router -> IPTV boxes

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keeping IPTV shit off my network

austere ivy
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What?

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IPTV?

limber knotBOT
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.g IPTV

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(kashike) http://www.iptv.org/ -- Iowa Public Television | IPTV: "Iowa Public Television is Iowa's statewide public broadcasting network. IPTV provides quality, alternative programming that educates, enlightens, and..."

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.g IPTV wikipedia

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(kashike) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTV -- IPTV - Wikipedia: "Internet Protocol television (IPTV) is the delivery of television content over Internet Protocol (IP) networks. This is in contrast to delivery..."

Internet Protocol television (IPTV) is the delivery of television content over Internet Protocol (IP) networks. This is in contrast to delivery through traditional terrestrial, satellite, and cable television formats. Unlike downloaded media, IPTV offers the ability to stream...

austere ivy
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Wow, that's interesting.

golden gust
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Oh, last I had was the 2 or maybe the original, kinda surprised theyd leave Netgear, kinda don't blame them either

austere ivy
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Our current setup is.. uh

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coax -> modem -> router

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Not very exciting ,_,

golden gust
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I mean, it works

worn ember
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Our is: no internet

limber knotBOT
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that's a diagram

austere ivy
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I suppose it does but eventually I'd like to get fibre.

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There's not really anything available around us though, haha.

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I'm just hoping for Google Fibre but I don't think that's going to happen.

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kash you have 3 tvs??

limber knotBOT
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ISP gives 2x of 1x IPv4 address, 1x IPv6 /56 block

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I live with my parents, remember :p

merry talon
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google fiber has stopped expanding

austere ivy
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Ah nice.

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AP-AC-Lite.

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I was actually looking into that one specifically today.

void void
austere ivy
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They give you multiple IPv4 addresses???

worn ember
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We don't even have ipv6

austere ivy
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^

limber knotBOT
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yes brian

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lol

worn ember
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Don't you pay extra?

austere ivy
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where can I sign up for your isp?? lol.

limber knotBOT
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total of 2x IPv4 addresses, 2x IPv6 /56 blocks

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nope

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included in normal residental plan

austere ivy
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I feel like that'd be extremely useful for me selfhosting my mc server.

worn ember
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What a waste of ips smh

austere ivy
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I bet kash is contributing to why IPv6 is a thing >;o

limber knotBOT
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no, because people are only allocated 1 v4 and 1 v6, 2nd is optional

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limit is 2x of each

austere ivy
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I think IPv6 is ugly, and extremely long.

worn ember
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Oh ok

austere ivy
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I mean I understand why they had to use : instead of .

merry talon
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mfw

worn ember
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O thought you meant 2ipv4 and 1 ipv6

austere ivy
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To differentiate between v4 and v6 I just think it's ugly haha.

worn ember
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IPv6 is a lot more practical

limber knotBOT
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no, 2x of (1x IPv4) (1x IPv6 /56 block)

austere ivy
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I disagree.

worn ember
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Just takes a bit to get used to

merry talon
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I wonder why they only give you 1 usable for ipv6

worn ember
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No more NAT

merry talon
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laziness probably

limber knotBOT
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what do you mean 1 usable?

austere ivy
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Take a look at this:

merry talon
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i mean exactly that

austere ivy
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Hey guys, join my Minecraft server!

limber knotBOT
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@merry talon they don't, they just only advertise 1

merry talon
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my hosting provider gives me like a billion

austere ivy
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It's 127.0.0.1

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VS

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It's 2001:db8:1235:152c:12b4:5678:d334:9af

merry talon
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phoenix: so you're able to use others?

limber knotBOT
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a /56 has a total of 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 addresses

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afaik it used to be possible, yes

merry talon
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oh I misread that

limber knotBOT
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yes, 1x /56 BLOCK of addresses

merry talon
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nice

limber knotBOT
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but you get that twice, same with v4

austere ivy
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Honestly, it's kinda confusing how IPv4 isn't completely full.

merry talon
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it is

austere ivy
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IPv4 only allows 4,294,967,296 addresses.

limber knotBOT
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so a total of 2x IPv4, 2x /56 IPv6 blocks

golden gust
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It is

austere ivy
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People can still sign up for internet though?

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Where do the ISPs get new IPs then?

merry talon
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They're reserved to the ISPs already

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just not allocated

peak dirge
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They buy them from others.

golden gust
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You think everybody didn't buy out a few dozen ranges they don't need just yet?

carmine hinge
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uhhh

golden gust
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It's simple business

limber knotBOT
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there's still IPs, just not enough for the future

carmine hinge
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Bukkit.getServer().addRecipe() seems to straight up not work

limber knotBOT
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Apple has the entire 17/8 block to themselves still

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same with some other companies

austere ivy
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17/8 block?

carmine hinge
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None of the recipes in Bukkit.recipeIterator() have my namespace

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???

austere ivy
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How are IPs divided into blocks again anyway?

limber knotBOT
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yes

austere ivy
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.g ip blocks

peak dirge
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But there's lots of people who need IPs... and they have money. Then there's the people who have lots of IPs but don't have a lot of money.

limber knotBOT
austere ivy
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thanks.

merry talon
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@cosmic raft is your v6 address the first one in the block

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or random

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internet facing

limber knotBOT
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I give a prefix of /64 to my router to use, address in it is random

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using SLAAC

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that's what allows v6 to work on the EdgeRouter

merry talon
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ah

austere ivy
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So realistically, when IPv6 takes over, will everyone have to start saying, join my MC server! IP is 2001:db8:1235:152c:12b4:5678:d334:9af?

limber knotBOT
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firewall stuff above too, but that's not the important thing there

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no, DNS is still a thing brian

merry talon
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uh well ideally you'd use dns

austere ivy
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There are lots of people who don't use a dns ip or anything like that.

limber knotBOT
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lol

merry talon
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domains dont cost anything

limber knotBOT
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no reason not to. dns is free

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lots of places offer free subdomains too

austere ivy
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So when IPv6 takes over, can we expect to fully see IPv4 just fall off the face of the earth? I read somewhere that it'd still be used for internal networks or something like that.

limber knotBOT
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no

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IPv4 won't be going away for a long time

merry talon
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aws still doesn't support v6 properly

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lol

limber knotBOT
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but the norm will be for new things to be v6-only in the future

carmine hinge
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actually nvm

limber knotBOT
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the VPS that hosts Korobi is v6-only

merry talon
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I tried to use one of those

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my apt update just fatal errored

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it couldnt resolve cloudfront

limber knotBOT
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and the best part is

austere ivy
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?

limber knotBOT
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anyone can access Korobi's website, v4 or v6

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because of cloudflare's magic

merry talon
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not really magic lol

austere ivy
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What about v2, hmm>

merry talon
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but they do do magic things

austere ivy
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/s

limber knotBOT
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it's not really magic, but it is magic imo

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and its free

merry talon
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i mean SNI makes that really easy for them :D

austere ivy
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"it's not really magic, but it's really magic."

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It is magic, imo.

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kash do you know how to read sheet music?

limber knotBOT
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no

austere ivy
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even the SLIGHTEST bit?

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like

limber knotBOT
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no

austere ivy
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you understand that a note somewhere corresponds to a note on a piano?

limber knotBOT
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no

austere ivy
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hmm

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Well this is a meme for the more educated of you:

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I have tinnitus :(

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Mainly at night when my ear is against the pillow.

limber knotBOT
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lol

austere ivy
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Just a ringing.

limber knotBOT
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doesn't everyone have that? πŸ€” can't remember a time when I didn't hear that when everything else is silent...

austere ivy
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Me neither..

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But apparently not everyone does.

limber knotBOT
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did someone say ringing?

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rings the bells

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(kashike) Mean Girls - Jingle Bell Rock - length 2m 24s - 295,670 likes, 14,771 dislikes (95.2%) - 51,635,524 views - armistiser on 2013.12.13

austere ivy
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Makes me sad because I've never ever had actual silence.

limber knotBOT
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next you'll tell me that not everyone talks inside their head when reading stuff πŸ€”

austere ivy
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Except when I did that exercise with my fingers against the back of my head.

merry talon
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its a spectrum

austere ivy
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TINNITUS IS A SPECTRUM

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DID YOU JUST

merry talon
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everyone has it to an extent probably

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yes

austere ivy
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ASSUME

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MY TINNITUS

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Well I know people who don't have that at all.

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Wait we're all computer people here on the computer lots, and we all seem to have it..

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COMPUTER CAUSES TINNITUS CONFIRMED CASE STUDY πŸ‘€

limber knotBOT
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ah memories of ddr

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(kashike) Smile - Butterfly (Official Music Video) - length 3m 6s - 159,435 likes, 6,976 dislikes (95.8%) - 6,553,546 views - Warner Music Denmark on 2017.05.18

austere ivy
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..ddr?

cosmic raft
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.g ddr

limber knotBOT
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dance dance revolution

cosmic raft
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.g ddr game

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i give up on this bot

austere ivy
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FlashFlash Revolution?

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.g ddr what kashike wants

cosmic raft
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.g dance dance revolution game

austere ivy
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That?

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lOL

limber knotBOT
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also I've had never seen the Butterfly music video until a couple months ago Oo

cosmic raft
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Dance Dance Revolution (γƒ€γƒ³γ‚Ήγƒ€γƒ³γ‚Ήγƒ¬γƒœγƒͺγƒ₯ーション, Dansu Dansu ReboryΕ«shon) (DDR), also known as Dancing Stage in earlier games in Europe, Central Asia, Middle East, Africa, South Asia and Oceania, and also some other games in Japan, is a music video game se...

austere ivy
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Me, but for patreon:

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wait a minute this isn't #memes

cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
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lol

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(DiscordBot) Kon - BUTTERFLY (Challenge) AAA on DDR EXTREME (Japan) - length 2m 33s - 1,512 likes, 40 dislikes (97.4%) - 232,364 views - OMG KON! on 2011.09.24

cosmic raft
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skip to like 30 seconds

austere ivy
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Yeah of course I've seen that I just thought you were talking about DDR3 memory, haha.

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Those things are at like.. arcades, you know?

merry talon
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lol I was trying to work out what this random device on my network was

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I forgot I had a smart light bulb

cosmic raft
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a+

merry talon
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i never use its smart functions

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the rgb sucks

austere ivy
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You said "ddr" and I was either thinking that's what Canadans called school, or you were talking about computer memory lol.

cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) Beethoven Virus DDR Level Asian - length 1m 49s - 89,206 likes, 1,565 dislikes (98.3%) - 5,378,855 views - fundistraction on 2012.06.06

austere ivy
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Middle school? That seemed like a middle school memory thing.

cosmic raft
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watch his feet here

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and at 1:09

austere ivy
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GOODNESS

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GRACIOUS

cosmic raft
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yes

austere ivy
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Tell you what, kash.

tropic flame
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Fortnite and "Markass" Brownlee

austere ivy
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Why's his name in quotes?

tropic flame
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lmao his name is Marques

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but will smith on rewind 2018 said it as markass

austere ivy
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No it's not.

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It's that, yeah.

tropic flame
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marquez, whatever

austere ivy
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It's mar-kass?

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It's not a swear word. That's his actual name, you racist.

cosmic raft
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anybody else excited?

austere ivy
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Get your head out of the gutter.

cosmic raft
tropic flame
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???

austere ivy
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.g what is markas brownlee's name

limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marques_Brownlee -- Marques Brownlee - Wikipedia: "Marques K. Brownlee also known professionally as MKBHD, is an American YouTuber, best known for his technology-focused videos. The channel, whose..."

Marques K. Brownlee ( mar-KEZ BROWN-lee; born December 3, 1993), also known professionally as MKBHD, is an American YouTuber, best known for his technology-focused videos. The channel, whose name is a concatenation of MKB (Brownlee's initials) and HD (for high-definition), h...

tropic flame
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see?

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Marques, not Markass

austere ivy
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It clearly says right there, mar-kass brownie.

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Can you back me up here, kash?

cosmic raft
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no

tropic flame
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brownie LMAO

austere ivy
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;(

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just kidding haha no

tropic flame
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also IPv6 sux lol runs

austere ivy
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catches Logics by the collar of his shirt

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body slams him down

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NO MORE RUNNING

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You make a joke, you stick with it!

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runs

tropic flame
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I sometimes have to type IPs and I do it by memory, don't force me to have to save them and copy paste

austere ivy
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^ I can agree with you there.

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Like what are we gonna do for 127.0.0.1

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1111:2222:7777:0000:0000:1111?

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I say we just use Strings for addresses now.

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I can be "Brian's Address"

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Boom very efficient /s

limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) When you realize it’s not weed : Wellthatsucks - 40 comments, 128 points - nbridges77, 5h ago

austere ivy
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YIKES.

tropic flame
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inb4 someone says "type localhost"

austere ivy
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Listen with sound, haha.

worn ember
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@meager perch pretty sure that's an apipa

tropic flame
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hey guys, join my server! 192.168.1.1

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/s

austere ivy
limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) Climbing a dj booth : Wellthatsucks - 10 comments, 33 points - Simranjit16, 3h ago

austere ivy
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OOF.

tropic flame
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thanks! it's using the latest ToiletSpigot 1.16.3

worn ember
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That's my router ip!!! You hacker

austere ivy
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LARGE OOF.

tropic flame
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ToiletSpigot, cleaning the shit Spigot has done!

austere ivy
#

That seems like an EXPENSIVE mess up.

merry talon
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uh the ipv6 loopback can be just

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::1

worn ember
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:: for undefined lol

merry talon
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yeah

worn ember
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Yeah

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It's ipv6 lol

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No u

austere ivy
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:hyperthink:

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I already proposed it.

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Along with :hypereyes:

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And they never said yes.

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Saddens me :(