general

[austere ivy]

Anyway, I need an ItemBuilder class. I already have an ItemBuilder class but I need to modify some items.

[acoustic pilot]

You'd probably have to have a really, really old version to not have Menlo

You'd still have Monaco though 😃

[austere ivy]

Hare's the deal, ItemBuilder class.

I can either have an ItemStack as a private field and then each method like amount(int) and name("name!") change the ItemStack directly, then the build method just returns the ItemStack.

OR.

I can do what I'm currently doing which is having each changeable thing about an item stored as a private field, then when it's time to build, it makes a new ItemStack and changes it's stuff in the build method.

[upper flicker]

Windows doesn’t ship with menlo or monco

[austere ivy]

With the first choice I can easily modify items by simply doing new ItemBuilder(itemStack).name("blah").build() or something like that.

[void void]

I use the second method personnally

[upper flicker]

So there’s no way you’d ever see it

[austere ivy]

With the second choice, I can't import other item stacks directly so I could do this:

[void void]

The point of having a builder is setting each field and then call the build method to get your item

[austere ivy]

public static ItemBuilder modify(ItemStack itemStack) {
        ItemMeta itemMeta = itemStack.getItemMeta();
        return new ItemBuilder(itemStack.getType())
                .amount(itemStack.getAmount())
                .durability(itemStack.getDurability())
                .enchantments(itemStack.getEnchantments())
                .flags(itemStack.getItemFlags())
                .name(itemMeta.getDisplayName())
                .lore(itemMeta.getLore())
                .unbreakable(itemMeta.isUnbreakable());
    }

[void void]

Hell no

[acoustic pilot]

Doesn't ship with, but you can just copy those fonts and they should work

[austere ivy]

But then build() wouldn't really be build()

it'd just be getItem() lol

[upper flicker]

If not you can probably find a windows patched version online

[acoustic pilot]

If they installed on Windows successfully, you might just be doing something wrong.

[upper flicker]

Tbh there’s also plenty of other fonts that look really good

They won’t render the same on windows anyway

[acoustic pilot]

yeah true

Consolas looks awesome on Windows :>

[upper flicker]

Clear text life

[acoustic pilot]

cuz it was designed for the clear type

or whatever it is

[upper flicker]

It might by type

do not remember

[austere ivy]

Which one is better, my dudes:

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/36184c8e5f484c72b50d79c88de3adfb/files/f5919a98ec434980aebefb40b6378292/raw

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/740aab6a4e1e4c6397cc32c3de876ac8/files/5b298772a8cf41d5ae3a03b9697042cd/raw

Oh yeah @void void you seemed to be interested ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Wow raw is kinda ugly.

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/740aab6a4e1e4c6397cc32c3de876ac8

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/36184c8e5f484c72b50d79c88de3adfb

There's non-raw.

[void void]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/740aab6a4e1e4c6397cc32c3de876ac8

This one 100%

[austere ivy]

That's what I thought.

But some other people were saying that's weird and just take an item stack and carry that around as a field.

[void void]

I would rename "modify" to "fromItemStack"

Well no

The point of a builder is being a builder

[austere ivy]

https://github.com/masterdoctor/SpigotPaginatedGUI/blob/master/src/main/java/com/cloutteam/samjakob/gui/ItemBuilder.java

such as that.

[void void]

🤢

I find this ugly, personal preferences

Each time you need to modify something, it gets the meta, edit it and set the meta...

That really doesn't sounds great

[austere ivy]

It does not.

[void void]

The point of a builder, is being a builder

[austere ivy]

Sounds more expensive to me.

[void void]

So having a build function

That applies all your primitives

into your result object

[acoustic pilot]

You're technically still building if you use an internal ItemStack and then clone it in the build method

[void void]

Yeah

[austere ivy]

Not cloning though?

Just returning?

That doesn't make a new object in memory right?

[void void]

But that still means a long build line with 5, 6, 7 functions called means you're getting the meta, edit it and apply it 5, 6, 7 times and then cloning an object

🤢

[austere ivy]

You could also technically carry the ItemMeta around

but that just seems unnecessarily complicated

[void void]

Personal preferences...

btw wtf ?

That makes so less sense to me

But still, personal preferences

[acoustic pilot]

Not so much a builder, it's a mutator with utility methods 😛

[void void]

exactly

[austere ivy]

I guess advantage to number two is you can swap out ItemStack at any time..

at that point it's more an ItemMutator

or ItemModifier

perhaps I should have both and call the first ItemBuilder and the next ItemModifier

👀

That's a bad idea nevermind.

Keywords >;l

[void void]

Just use your builder

Don't make things complicated

[austere ivy]

👀

What's it now?

The i is a.. different.. font?

That's odd.

https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/bqfiu2/til_i_learned_that_a_handicapped_woman_invented/

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) TIL I learned that a handicapped woman invented an underwater... : todayilearned - 201 comments, 5,096 points - IBiteYou, 17h ago

[austere ivy]

Lol, the title.

[void void]

"old.reddit.com"

😠

[austere ivy]

"TIL" stands for Today I Learned so it's "Today I Learned I learned that a blahblahblah"

Redesign is awful.

Wanna fight?

Mainly because it has HORRIBLE performance.

Each page takes 8-10 seconds to load.

Old.reddit is almost instant.

[acoustic pilot]

That's funny because new design is a single page application, there is no "each page" 😛

[austere ivy]

I have an awful computer which might get better soon, one can hope.

No it isn't Byte..

[void void]

"Each page takes 8-10 seconds to load." not for me

[austere ivy]

It's a lie, Byte.

[acoustic pilot]

Pretty sure the new design is a SPA, yes.

[austere ivy]

What do you mean? Infinite scroll?

Going to reddit.com on an incognito tab (because I set old.reddit.com as a preference)

[void void]

that means ajax and going back doesn't make the page refresh

[austere ivy]

I click on one of those bar thingies

It looks like it's a singple page thing

Changes url though.

[void void]

yeah

100% instant

and keeps the content in cache

[austere ivy]

I'm just talking about reloading the page, though.

[void void]

if I click again on a thread

and then go back

its even faster

[acoustic pilot]

You can change URLs without refreshing, it's a fairly recent technology added because of the rise in SPAs

[austere ivy]

Not for me..

[vestal jasper]

It's way faster for me

And yes it is an SPA. Watch the network monitor.

[acoustic pilot]

There's a browser history API for manipulating URLs like that without refreshing

Reddit is a single page application, seems like

[austere ivy]

It's also ugly ..

[void void]

Sooooooo fast

completly instant

[austere ivy]

https://www.fastcompany.com/3042752/you-can-now-play-a-video-game-entirely-in-your-browsers-address-bar

That was pretty cool a while back.

[acoustic pilot]

It loads faster for me too due to being a SPA but Reddit needs to get their 500's in check

Terrible uptime

[austere ivy]

http://glench.com/hash/#________________|\____________#

RIP your browser history haha.

[void void]

and my internet is pretty bad

so that page application is appreciated

[acoustic pilot]

Well, SPAs also heavily rely on JS

[austere ivy]

You can even do a DIY thing.

[acoustic pilot]

Meaning there's a larger client burden to download resources

[void void]

yeah but once its loaded its so fast

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah, because everything is just an API request which is much lighter

vs trying to serve entire pages from the server

[austere ivy]

http://glench.com/hash/#diy.800.T\nTe\nTeh\nTehB\nTehBr\nTehBri\nTehBria\nTehBrian\nTehBrian_\nTehBrian_i\nTehBrian_is\nTehBrian_is_\nTehBrian_is_E\nTehBrian_is_EP\nTehBrian_is_EPI\nTehBrian_is_EPIC\nTehBrian_is_EPI\nTehBrian_is_EP\nTehBrian_is_E\nTehBrian_is_\nTehBrian_is\nTehBrian_i\nTehBrian_\nTehBria\nTehBri\nTehBr\nTehB\nTeh\nTe

Whoa.

That's a lot of spam but it works.

[acoustic pilot]

https://www.couchbase.com/products/n1ql

Damn, Couchbase has come a LONG way since I last used it many years ago

N1QL apparently works really well

I wonder how it works... probably creates map/reduces behind the scenes

[austere ivy]

Anyone here like Cave Story?

Well it had an interesting way of storing save files.

Not a text file or anything.

Rather.

bmp files.

Or was it save files?

[fallen oracle]

Anyone know off the top of their head what that principle is called for the things like list = array list, map = hashmap

[acoustic pilot]

The vast majority of Minecraft plugin data and game data in general doesn't need the full properties of ACID since game updates aren't synchronized with the database any way. So technologies like Mongo and Couchbase work really well for game data because it's more document-oriented.

Might give Couchbase/N1QL a try in a project

[austere ivy]

I don't knwo entirely what it's called.

But you can't initialize or construct or whatever the terminology is, interfaces.

[upper flicker]

@fallen oracle liskov substitution principle

[fallen oracle]

Thank you

[austere ivy]

Program to an interface? Or something like that.

[void void]

lsp is the principle, but idk if he meant the general idea of polymorphism?

watvr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vczGluj-2M

[limber knot]

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[austere ivy]

Hi I was just reading about that principle.

Got me thinking, this is insanely silly, but are interfaces in a way kind of useless.

Obviously things like polymorphism, and the ability to write your own implementations are useful.

But when you think about it, interfaces are just things that say okay, you have this method and that method... but that's kind of useless.

[void void]

no, imagine you have multiple implementations

[austere ivy]

in a way, because the implementation can do wildly different things than what it's expecting, so I dunno

Imagine there's an interface, WaterBottle interface. You can subtract and add water. Then there's something that needs something implementing the WaterBottle interface, to call, say, addWater(10) but then that implementation breaks when it has more than 7 water or something.

Dunno, just thoughts.

Then again polymorphism is extremely useful.

But is it?

[void void]

interface Dog {
    void bark();
}

class Husky implements Dog {
  @Override void bark() {
    System.out.println("bork");
  }
}

class FatDog implements Dog {
    @Override void bark() {
      System.out.println("Borg*choke*k");
    }
}

both dogs

[austere ivy]

could you just extend rather than implement?

oh I see, extending is basically implementing but with implementation already there

[void void]

sure but then you're using an abstract class (likely) which contains methods already

Also interfaces are useful when you don't want to expose the implementation

(i.e., maybe just maybe it's a private/proprietary impl)

so you just give the definitions (interfaces)

and the impl is provided elsewhere i.e. at runtime

[austere ivy]

such as Bukkit?

[void void]

yeh bukkit-api is mainly just interfaces but no it doesn't fit the example i gave necessarily

[austere ivy]

At the same time, what if a dog does something COMPLETELY different with bark()

and then breaks something else

[void void]

well, it's void

[austere ivy]

okay what if it returns a LinkedList

but then one

returns a LinkedList with more items than it's expecting

or something

[austere ivy]

yeah nevermind I'm being silly

[void void]

you lay out a method contract

i guess

which is docs

explaining how it's used

the implementation is the 'contract', but you can document said contract

(and should)

[austere ivy]

also fields too which is kinda strange but ye

yeah I mean you can

I've heard "contract" a lot

but at the same time it's only a "contract" of the method names and return type.

nothing else.

[void void]

no that's the signature

[austere ivy]

signature, yeah

and nothing else

[void void]

a contract is smth else

[acoustic pilot]

APIs are only one aspect of the contract

Docs are the other

[austere ivy]

Oooh that makes sense, yeah.

[void void]

like i said, contract = impl, docs, api

it's the

contract

kek

[acoustic pilot]

If the docs say that a method must behave in a certain way, not doing so would be a contract violation

[void void]

\o/

(which should answer your Q brian)

IF it does that, then it would be a violation of the contract and thereby not your concern

[austere ivy]

thanks, simple, I appreciate it.

[void void]

You can rightfully tell the dev to fek off

[austere ivy]

also you too Byte.

👍

back to whatever I was doing.

[void void]

going to sleep

[austere ivy]

no >;l

[safe tide]

Yall I need help getting my language file updated here is the current code https://github.com/Qballl/StaffPlus/blob/master/StaffPlusCore/src/main/java/net/shortninja/staffplus/server/data/file/LanguageFile.java
This does nothing but remove comments

[void void]

looks at Files.copy()

[austere ivy]

It's strangely ..

very strangely indented for me.

[void void]

https://puu.sh/DuGi3/bceadd97b1.png

[austere ivy]

Not even that.

[safe tide]

@void void wouldn't File.copy overwrite anything in the file already

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah the copyFile() can probably be replaced with Files.copy() 😛

❤ NIO

[void void]

@safe tide check its existence first

[safe tide]

well I need to update it in the since I've now added two fields

[austere ivy]

private void copyFile(String fileName) {
    File.copy(fileName);
}

boom

[void void]

Files

[safe tide]

so I need those to be probably added in

[austere ivy]

/s

[void void]

what is your end goal here qball because i've got no idea

you want to design a file merging system??

[austere ivy]

Qball why aren't you just doing YamlConfiguration if this is for language.?

[acoustic basin]

Is it bad I gave someone my account token so I can be a self bot?

[austere ivy]

o_O

[void void]

well self botting is against the rules

so

yes

[acoustic basin]

Oh no

[austere ivy]

Why can't Discord add these things for us.

We can do cool stuff like that.

Like come on.

angery

[acoustic basin]

TehBrian#6219

I am potato

[void void]

They give you permission to use a bot account. Not your own account as a bot. It's pretty reasonable.

[austere ivy]

It's not though.

Why are they limiting us?

[safe tide]

@void void I guess? @austere ivy this is shortninja's code for the most part

[austere ivy]

They give us a HORRIBLE light mode then they're like "YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR OWN THEMES ELSE WE BAN YOU"

[void void]

What exactly is the issue...? What are you doing that is giving you a problem?

[acoustic basin]

TehBrian#6219

I like to shower with potato’s as my water

[austere ivy]

Then they make it unnecessarily difficult to make those cool text things then "YOU CAN'T DO IT YOURSELF AS A BOT WE'LL BAN YOU"

[safe tide]

I want to add in my new fields but leave the rest of the lang file untouched

[void void]

so a file merging system.

[acoustic pilot]

Path file = StaffPlus.get().getDataFolder().toPath().resolve("lang/" + fileName + ".yml");
if (!Files.exists(file)) {
    Files.createDirectories(file.getParent());
    Files.copy(in, file);
}
``` Unrelated, but just some advice to help keep the code simpler

[void void]

well what you have now is not going to do that

lmao

afaik using YamlConfiguration if you save() over it, comments go poof.

So rip you

[safe tide]

yea comments arent a huge deal

[void void]

then just set('key', 'value')?

[acoustic basin]

Oops

[safe tide]

well you see I would have to do that for each language

[void void]

what lol...

use a loop? it's the same operation for each language you have, assumedly...

[safe tide]

the value for each language is gonna be different as it is a different word and I want it to be correct hopefully by defualt (assuming google translate did me good)

[void void]

Ok...so...do you HAVE the translations already?

What is your plan here? If you don't have them already in the files, then what are you even doing lol

[safe tide]

I have updated the lang files in the project and now I'm trying to have the plugin update them for the server

[acoustic basin]

what can peple do with my account tokaen?

I gave it to someone for my self bot and I worried

[void void]

everything it's basically your username and password.

[acoustic basin]

Oh no

[void void]

so you dun fukd up

[acoustic basin]

If I change my password will I be ok?

[void void]

no

you gave them your token

[acoustic basin]

Big oof

[void void]

it's a permanent login

-.-

[acoustic basin]

Rip

atlest I can do this

simple#0001

or this

[void void]

yeah

[acoustic basin]

Let’s be positive :) why would he want to hack me

[void void]

cause you're a dumbass capable of being hacked thru simple social engineering

why does anyone hack anyone

because they can

[acoustic basin]

Rip

[austere ivy]

wait what

how do you make a self bot

[acoustic basin]

I can make it say I’m streaming as anyone too

[safe tide]

quick question JavaPlugin.getConfig().options().copyDefaults() does that grab the config from the jar?

[austere ivy]

do you just have a TOKEN?!

[void void]

yes

[acoustic basin]

Look at what I am streaming rn

[void void]

same as any bot just log in with a reg token

[austere ivy]

WHAT!?

[void void]

lol

[austere ivy]

wait so

[void void]

thats what the tokens are.

[austere ivy]

why do they have those

if they're unallowde

[acoustic basin]

TehBrian#6219

oWO

[void void]

for internal api

[austere ivy]

okay so just using those tokens yourself once will that get you banned?

Or do you have to actually be a bot?

[void void]

prob have to be a bot and get caught at the same time

idk man people do it

it's not allowed, but they do it

some dont get caught at all

[austere ivy]

Wait.

Can you make bots that aren't self bots but rely on your user?

o-o

[void void]

you can make them only respond to you, yes

[acoustic basin]

-say I am literally useing the default moble app

[austere ivy]

No but..

[acoustic basin]

Is the bot down?

Pong! (128ms)

Oh wrong command

i am idot

[austere ivy]

https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002192352-Automated-user-accounts-self-bots-?flash_digest=5111593e14533f21b9aeb62e5ec2751500fc6218

Seems like it's just if you automate it.

[void void]

thats what self bot means

[austere ivy]

OK so let me just try using the token.

Not automation.

[void void]

for...what

[acoustic basin]

I host the bot on heroku

[austere ivy]

For those rich text embeds thing.

[void void]

rolls eyes into the back of his skull

[acoustic basin]

https://github.com/TheRacingLion/Discord-SelfBot/wiki/Selfbot-Commands

I use this

[austere ivy]

Alright, how do I get my token.

[void void]

Not really sure we should be discussing this here lol, it is against discord tos and paper is either sponsored or partnered one of the two

[austere ivy]

No it isn't.

They just said it's automation.

[void void]

Verified

[austere ivy]

That's not automation.

Pretty sure they just don't want that automated bot-style stuff happening.

[void void]

Up to you dude, you do you. Imo it's pretty annoying.

At least take it to the memes channel lmao.

[austere ivy]

No no for like info text boxes.

[acoustic basin]

I can see why still we we could

[void void]

You are automating, because you're enabling a command. Which AUTOMATES doing something.

Moreover, that's not the biggest thing to take away from that sentence.

The thing to take away is "outside of the Oauth2/bot API"

Which you are outside of.

But you do you.

[austere ivy]

They need to clarify that then.

Because pretty sure that's not what they're intending.

[void void]

Then ask Discord on Twitter

they're pretty responsive

[austere ivy]

They won't respond

Tell ya what if I ask them and they respond, got a patreon?

I'll give you 10 cents, no joke.

[void void]

i dont have a patreon

[austere ivy]

;o

[void void]

it's also annoying as fuck Arctic

[acoustic basin]

Srry

[safe tide]

So about the mergeing thing

[golden gust]

"the merging thing"

[void void]

he wants to merge yaml

i.e. auto updating config

[golden gust]

okay, but why?

[safe tide]

except in this case auto updating langauge file

[void void]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden gust]

Oh god, just be sane

Don't store language files outside of the plugin jar unless users actually want to override them

[safe tide]

I added two fields to the lang file that shortninja neglected users could fix this themselves but we all know that aint gonna do that and kinda the point cat

[void void]

yikes

[austere ivy]

Implementing InventoryHolder to check if an inventory is one of your GUI's is a bad idea, right?

[safe tide]

is there any way to do this

[limber knot]

users will do that

people will go great lengths to get a plugin translated to their language, usually

[austere ivy]

do what?

[void void]

he probably means open the jar and edit the files themselves

thats also a great use for an interface btw @austere ivy

[safe tide]

No they'd just need to open the lang file they use and add the fields in

[limber knot]

What's the reason for my server crashing? https://pastebin.com/y4hzBGhh

[void void]

languages all have similar defs, but wildly different implementations

youve got a full crash report as indicated daniel: C:\servers\Minecraft\173-Crew.\crash-reports\crash-2019-05-20_00.01.18-server.txt

[acoustic basin]

@hexed fernieh90 why do you show as a bot

[void void]

hes on IRC

[acoustic basin]

Oh

[austere ivy]

Arctic's like "IS HE SELF BOTTING"

"I HEARD THAT'S BANNABLE"

"VERY BAD I'D NEVER DO THAT"

[void void]

-.-

[austere ivy]

No way José

[acoustic basin]

No I was qerius

[limber knot]

dumcordians

[void void]

qerius

[acoustic basin]

I was just wondering

[void void]

you mean....perhaps....

[limber knot]

Tell you what, Robo.

[void void]

curious

[limber knot]

Here's the crash report https://pastebin.com/3e3eVKV6

Come on over to #tehbrian

no

[wide hazel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/bqgfj9/feeling_personally_attacked/

[limber knot]

I have a surprise for you ;D

wow

[acoustic basin]

1.14

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Feeling personally attacked : ProgrammerHumor - 251 comments, 14,471 points - MoffKalast, 16h ago

[safe tide]

Im gonna go to sleep now I'll work on this in the morning

[acoustic basin]

R0.1

[limber knot]

Oy how'd you make that no blue?

no

cuz i can

[void void]

looks like corrupt chunk daniel

[limber knot]

&1test

[acoustic basin]

^

[limber knot]

§1test

:(

dumcordian pleb

Oh should I just generate a new world?

[acoustic basin]

So much bots

Wow

[limber knot]

test

[vestal jasper]

I now have a moving rectangle

[limber knot]

\u001b[30mtest

[austere ivy]

Vic, with what?

[vestal jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411412317125738496/579896575472697382/unknown.png

[acoustic basin]

Teh now shows as a bot to me?

[austere ivy]

:feelsprioritizedman:

:(

[vestal jasper]

Mostly custom game engine

[acoustic basin]

?

[austere ivy]

Vic can I be a beta tester for that engine?

[vestal jasper]

There's like a 5% chance I'm going to follow through with it and finish it

[wide hazel]

https://i.redd.it/xbawsp3zw5z21.png

Aha

[austere ivy]

I like those odds

lol egg

[wide hazel]

Got the image

[austere ivy]

SO I CAN FEEL POWERFUL AGAIN

:EYES:

[wide hazel]

Took me a sec

[vestal jasper]

took me a good 2 hours to figure out the fact that I'm supposed to do
matrix.translate(translation.x, translation.y, translation.z)
not matrix.translate(translation)

[void void]

lawl egg

https://puu.sh/DuHcS/de53b8b51c.png

big same

[limber knot]

heyey

test

12test

12test

Hmm.

[fresh ermine]

yall hear sumn'?

[golden gust]

That's not a corrupted chunk, btw; It's basically a lovingly fun bug

[austere ivy]

Robo I'm going to figure out how to color IRC chat.

Just you wait.

[limber knot]

lol colors

[austere ivy]

Whoa.

ᎀᤨㄩ΁ₓ脂鎁ₓ褗䀣䄩㡇

??

Is that working

[void void]

You just blew brian's mind, cat

it was that simple

[golden gust]

lyk u

[austere ivy]

I know that

it's like

[void void]

ye

[austere ivy]

the unicode ascii character 3

but how HOW I say HOW

[golden gust]

should I go set +S on all the channels? 😄

[wide hazel]

+M

Iunno

[golden gust]

I'd rather just +b !@*

discord does that wonders

[wide hazel]

I learned of IRC from the ancients, but was never taught the language

[golden gust]

*!*@*

sets mode +b, which is a ban, ^ matches all hosts

[wide hazel]

It looks too happy to do something so terrible

Like a little face, in shock of what it's just done

[void void]

that was beautiful egg

truly

[wide hazel]

It does, though!

[austere ivy]

ꪪꪪꪪ

ꮫꮫꮫꮫꮫ

I'm so confused.

[wide hazel]

Sneks

[austere ivy]

Why is typing ascii on mac so hard??

[wide hazel]

ASCII?

You're doing that now

[austere ivy]

well to color the irc chat

[wide hazel]

You mean Unicode

[austere ivy]

Ascii, but I'm currently typing unicode.

[wide hazel]

Now you've confused me

Do you have a Chinese Mac or something?

Or Arabic

Iunno

[austere ivy]

A

6

Aha!
I'm figuring it out.

F

æ

I've got it >:D

[void void]

Brian what you've just said has collectively made this entire room stupider by one or two degrees.

[austere ivy]

I'm trying to type ASCII.

But what I'm typing right now is unicode.

I got sidetracked.

[void void]

Do you know what ASCII means?

[austere ivy]

Yes.

[wide hazel]

You are currently typing ASCII characters

[void void]

^

[austere ivy]

No but..

[wide hazel]

Still confused

[acoustic pilot]

타코

[austere ivy]

Reading something that says in order to use IRC chat you need to put ASCII 3.

[wide hazel]

English. American keyboards are ASCII

Qwerty

Etc

[austere ivy]

They're ascii, yeah, but I need to put a specific ascii character.

[void void]

ASCII 3 is the ETX (End of Text) character.

[austere ivy]

Correct.

[wide hazel]

There's the extended set I suppose

[void void]

Just say that next time.

[austere ivy]

So how do I type ASCII characters, specifically the ones I want?

[wide hazel]

Oh, character 3 from the table

Gotcha

[austere ivy]

With unicode I can hold alt and enter in the character's hex value which I need.

I need that same thing for ASCII.

[wide hazel]

This is why I use discord

Fuck your special characters representing random things

[austere ivy]

Discord doesn't support chat color.

[wide hazel]

Exactly

[void void]

@austere ivy https://superuser.com/questions/258825/how-to-type-non-printable-ascii-characters-in-mac-os-x-terminal

you want to type the hex representing ETX which is 0x03

[austere ivy]

Ah.



[void void]

although im not entirely sure that's how the cat is doing it

lol

[austere ivy]

Very good, thank you.

[wide hazel]

You know what ETX should represent in a chat client?

[austere ivy]



Hmm ok.

[wide hazel]

End of text

[void void]

end of text

@wide hazel++

[austere ivy]



[wide hazel]

You know what it shouldn't represent?

A color

[austere ivy]

this is interesting.

Brian is cool



Hmm.

[earnest basalt]

I assume https://pastebin.com/SjDLJYkJ this is the same issue. that the chunk is corrupted

[wide hazel]

Rip mc servers

It's been fun reading about all these issues

[void void]

lol

i had to stop my server admins from updating to 1.14

they were like "HURRR BUT ITS ON PAPER"

[wide hazel]

On one hand, everyone knows updating early causes problems. Has for years. On the other, it really shouldn't be this bad

[void void]

"DAT MEANS RDY"

"hrah"

"it broke"

"😦"

[earnest basalt]

So should I down grade?

[void void]

you can't if your world is generated on 1.14

you'd need a new world

[wide hazel]

Christ on a goddamned bike the performance of 1.14 is actually somehow worse than 13

[cosmic raft]

wheee nice to be home

[earnest basalt]

So I guess I gotta wait for the updates?

to fix issues

[wide hazel]

Can we actually fix this?

[void void]

your chunks are corrupted regardless, no update is gonna fix that

[austere ivy]

Welcome back home, kash. :)

How do you put colored IRC text, kash?

[void void]

Of topics: i seen people spam operations fo no reason. it uses twice or even 10 times more res for no reason.

Start badcode.mp3
Start badcode2.mp3
vs
Start goodcode.mp3, goodcode2.mp3

[austere ivy]

They're taunting me.

[graceful wyvern]

Likely yes, but not to the degree we could for 1.13

[void void]

if on an older version I would recommend the chunk fixer program but nothing supports 1.14 atm

so you're holistically screwed

😄

[austere ivy]

΢

Σ

Woah, it's a sigma!

♡

[wide hazel]

What's a backup?

[austere ivy]

It's a heart \o/

[void void]

sigma is computer microprocesor factory

my headphones randomly:

"COMPUTER LOST"

...

"CONNECTED TO COMPUTER"

[austere ivy]

That's what you get for buying scrubtooth

[wide hazel]

You people and your wireless things

[austere ivy]

#wiredmasterrace

We get better quality

More flexibility

Modding, and making your own wires and stuff

\o/

[wide hazel]

Less flexibility

More quality

[void void]

Yeah, I love getting up from my desk and pulling my laptop, dock, and three monitors off the desk.

[wide hazel]

^

Downside

[austere ivy]

You made me laugh out loud.

[void void]

Not completely saying no to wires, they're fine and I do use them.

But. Yeah

[wide hazel]

I have a desktop, though, so hey

[earnest basalt]

What's odd is that my normal "world" is fine. but when I try and make a multiverse world it gets corrupted.

[void void]

Oh

[wide hazel]

No way in hell I'm moving that PC more than a couple inches regularly

[void void]

MV is probably not ready for 1.14?

if i had to guess

[earnest basalt]

Oh okay

[austere ivy]

Ooh, more unicode!

[wide hazel]

Though for my laptop I just plug in earbuds, sooooo

[austere ivy]

◢ ◣
◤ ◥

That's cool.

[tepid crater]

ok y'all

[wide hazel]

I hear those are portable

[austere ivy]

Lame IRC only gets this:

[wide hazel]

Having 1.14 problems?

[austere ivy]

Discord sees the truth 👀

[tepid crater]

yes

[wide hazel]

Yep

[vestal jasper]

yep

[tepid crater]

why is 1.14 so laggy

[wide hazel]

Lol

[tepid crater]

people are like "papapa fucking fix your server"

[wide hazel]

Short answer: it wasn't ready

[void void]

I use my laptop like a desktop, however my dock is too far away and on the opposite side that headphone jacks are usually placed (when the wire is a separate component). So when I try wires in a normal working environment on any given day, it wraps around my head freakishly or I need an extension cable for the headphones. Lawl.

[graceful wyvern]

Isn’t that the question on everyone’s mind

[void void]

Developers: prerelease the software

[tepid crater]

also did anyone experience server crashes with paper-28

[void void]

All the users: I see the world release

It must be good.

[austere ivy]

They released 1.14

[limber knot]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[tepid crater]

has any paper-32 users' servers crashed yet

[wide hazel]

Probably

[austere ivy]

ௌௌௌ

Huh.

[void void]

I always wait at least a good few months before even trying to go to the next higher.

[austere ivy]

ௌௌௌ

That's just one character.

ௌௌௌ

[void void]

I wait until people stop joining Discord 😂

[austere ivy]

Odd, seems to compress it.

[tepid crater]

oh well, my friends seemed to disagree

[wide hazel]

1.14 is still new and there's several hundred patches to fix

It'll be a while

[austere ivy]

public static void ﷽(String[] args) {
}

If only Java supported unicode.

[wide hazel]

You technically can do that

[austere ivy]

That'd be nice.

[earnest basalt]

Wish I didnt make my server in 1.14

[austere ivy]

No way, really?

[tepid crater]

same

[wide hazel]

But I would murder you

After Kash did

[graceful wyvern]

You can do some funky stuff once you hit bytecode level

[austere ivy]

No you can't >:(

[void void]

You guys have learned a lesson today @tepid crater and @earnest basalt

[limber knot]

The compiler doesn't like it

[void void]

take some mf backups

[limber knot]

Buuuuuuut the JVM doesn't care

[graceful wyvern]

but I would join the murder party

[austere ivy]

Compiler no likey.

[earnest basalt]

yes we have

[tepid crater]

indeed

[wide hazel]

Yay obfuscation

[void void]

before you upgrade

so you can then downgrade.

[tepid crater]

i never upgraded lmao

[void void]

rip u

[tepid crater]

i started with paper-26

[earnest basalt]

^

[tepid crater]

i mean vanilla 1.14

[austere ivy]

ooʇ looɔ ʎʇʇǝɹd sı sıɥʇ 'ʎǝɥ ɥO

[tepid crater]

then was like "shit this laggy af"

[limber knot]

☃

[tepid crater]

switched to paper and expected performance increase but no cigar

[void void]

m8

it's too new, paper will get better

believe, trust, have faith

dont be a n00b

git gud

[tepid crater]

nice

[austere ivy]

ᗡ؛< ¡ǝɔɐɹɹǝʇsɐɯ ǝlıqoW puɐ doʇdɐ˥ 'sɹǝsn doʇʞsǝp ʎɥʇlıɟ ǝɥʇ ǝʇıds uɐɔ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ os sıɥʇ ǝʞıl ɓuıʞlɐʇ ʇɹɐʇs llɐ ǝʍ ʎɐs I

[wide hazel]

There's some patches for 1.14, but not nearly all

[earnest basalt]

guess give it a month or two and all bugs will be worked out?

[austere ivy]

/؛ ˙˙pɐǝɥ ɹnoʎ dılɟ ʇsnɾ ʎllɐɔıuɥɔǝʇ plnoɔ no⅄

[void void]

most of them will be yes they're working daily on it

[wide hazel]

So many left to modify

[void void]

multiple commits a day

[tepid crater]

oh well

guess i'll have to deal with 1.14

[wide hazel]

I'm just thankful the redstone patch only minimally hooks mojang

[void void]

phooey I thank god every day im not a business analyst/project manager and just a developer

users sux

[graceful wyvern]

same with one of my internal patches

but the no initial world one is gonna be fun to redo 🙃

[golden gust]

Do you recon that we could print off the source that we have for 1.14, send it to ukraine and ask them to put it in the reactor for us?

[wide hazel]

There's a few that will not be fun to overhaul

Lol

[void void]

yes @golden gust

also i read that as re-con

not reckon

stupid cat

still luv ya tho

pets

[limber knot]

Ohhh, Loook at meeee

I'm siiimpple

[wide hazel]

Hahaha

[void void]

Ohhh, Loook at meeee

I'm a robotic cat

unplugs the cat

[wide hazel]

I haven't seen a leaf around lately. He get himself banned again?

[golden gust]

No

[void void]

@static badge get your ass in here retard

where are you

[golden gust]

You're just super blind

[austere ivy]

When you need to make known that something is deprecated:

I like ascii art.

[static badge]

hm?

[void void]

@Deprecated

[wide hazel]

Ah, alright, he just actually has a life

[void void]

@static badge egg wanted to know if you, a leaf, had died

[austere ivy]

I think I will start using ascii art everywhere in my code, very cool idea.

[static badge]

egg's retarded

[void void]

ur retarded

[vestal jasper]

ur retarded

[static badge]

wtf

[wide hazel]

I will burn your family

[static badge]

ur both retarded

[void void]

no u

[wide hazel]

They will make nice kindling

[static badge]

ur braincells would be nice

if they existed

[austere ivy]

Vic can I fork your engine

[wide hazel]

:D

:'D

[void void]

i wonder why paper do so much fixes while mojang anounced they fixed only 2bugs in 1.14.2 lmao

wtf

[austere ivy]

Because Mojang

[wide hazel]

I'm a pretty princess

[austere ivy]

™

[static badge]

also egg mind reviewing the mappings changes for the redstone stuff? there were three and they were labeled with TODO

[vestal jasper]

I'm a majestic unicorn

[void void]

oh boooooooy Weks

its almost like...all the custom code they wrote, and mojang didn't write, has to be updated....

its almost like they're separate code-bases...

oh wait

they are

[vestal jasper]

that's not really relevant to what he said but ok

[wide hazel]

@static badge mappings from sponge/forge?

[void void]

wat Vic

[static badge]

1.13 -> 1.14

[void void]

did i just completely misunderstand

[static badge]

the eigencraft redstone

[vestal jasper]

A makes patches slower than B
"It's lamost like B's a different codebase than A!"

that doesn't really say much

[austere ivy]

Vic what's your engine written in?

[void void]

sounds like they wait paper to fix the bugs and just merge or even do more lazy way and do nothin and care only for client bugs

lol

[wide hazel]

Oh, yeah, they likely all changed

[void void]

i thought he was saying something entirely different

[vestal jasper]

A JVM language @austere ivy

[void void]

m bad

[wide hazel]

Might have to hook new ones, too

[austere ivy]

ahem

[vestal jasper]

I'm not saying it's kotlin

[austere ivy]

Oh.

[vestal jasper]

I'm saying it's a JVM language that isn't Java.

[austere ivy]

Spring?

[void void]

inb4 scala

[austere ivy]

Or uh not Spring

[vestal jasper]

It might be kotlin. Or scala. You'll never know.

[austere ivy]

uh whatchamacallit

Scala

[golden gust]

I mean, everybody but vanilla has this major pro of fast releases

mojang ain't really in a position to do stuff like releasing several dozen builds a day (Wonder what our record is lol)

[limber knot]

ctets

s/ctets/

[vestal jasper]

I mean you'll know which lang if you stalk my github

[limber knot]

Correction, <TehBrian> ****

[vestal jasper]

[austere ivy]

Oh, huh.

How do you delete a message on IRC?

[golden gust]

So, e.g. build 27 broke due to the duplicate entity handling and mojang making some changes, fixed in 29 a day later

You don't delete them

[void void]

vanila new bugs realms scam paper eats it all because its the most away fork of fork of fork xd

[austere ivy]

😅

[vestal jasper]

Only specific people can see message logs in irc

If they're kept, that is

Anyone who's in the channel when the message is sent will see the message until they quit

[golden gust]

huggles his IRC logs

[vestal jasper]

Or if you're one of those people who personally keep logs

[golden gust]

I DON'T HAVE A HOARDING PROBLEM

[limber knot]

31]m test

GAH

[31;4m

[austere ivy]

How do you write colors in IRC!?

Is it not ANSI!??

[limber knot]

\u001b[31m

[austere ivy]

If it's Ctrl+C that's very bad because it's not working on Mac.

[void void]

Mr. F I need an F in the chat @golden gust

[limber knot]

^C6purple?

Oh wait

^C6purple^C

6purple

^C6purple

[vestal jasper]

I'm pretty sure those are for mIRC and don't work elsewhere

[austere ivy]

Well how were they doing it earlier?!

[vestal jasper]

they were?

[austere ivy]

Yeah.

And I'm using spi.gt

[limber knot]

green btw lol

hoW

I have ascended, brian

Tell me.. how!?

Yea but rainbow

[austere ivy]

Tell me how to ascend!!

[limber knot]

\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m\u001b[31m HELP ME

brian pls

[austere ivy]

How many ANSIs do I need to make a color code.

[limber knot]

You have to actually send the control characters

what client are you using brian

Not copy standard text hoping it will work

I wonder if black renders in my color scheme

nice it doesn't LOL

[austere ivy]

I think it's 12 ANSIs -> 1 ASCII, 15.8 ASCIIs -> 1 UTF-8, 3.5 UTF-8s -> 1 UTF-16, 2 UTF-16s -> UTF-32

Are those the conversion rates?

[limber knot]

you're going about this completely wrong brian

[austere ivy]

/s

[limber knot]

ik in irssi you can just do Ctrl+C, let go of all keys, type the code, then the text

test

ctest

[austere ivy]

I'm so confused.



I'm putting the escape character.

[limber knot]

You still haven't said what client you're using

He's using the web client so it seems

[austere ivy]

Web client.

spi.gt

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber knot]

why

Yea

self hatred?

use irssi

or something that isn't the web client

Textual is <3

[austere ivy]

What should I use?

What client?

[limber knot]

you on windows?

[06:59:12] -TehBrian CTCP- VERSION iris v0.90 -- Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_13_6) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/12.1 Safari/605.1.15

^C6potato

gAH

I'd say try out Textual then

like catto said

6test

test

Alright, onto Textual

textual seems pretty decent

I use web client so I don't have to have Safari + another something on.

oh no it's leaf

Same reason I use Discord on the web.

technically you're using discord on the web either way :^)

Textual costs MONEY!?

rip

Yes, but you can also compile it for free

I paid for it, because ez

Ooh okay.

https://github.com/Codeux-Software/Textual

oh it has style support too

nice

let's hope brew works

for textual?

[limber knot]

Would probably be the same version as they ship on their site

isn't brew a package manager

[austere ivy]

Homebrew, yeah.

oh no it's updating

AAAAAHHGG

Time to look for an alternative.

How much $$$ is it?

[vestal jasper]

$8

[austere ivy]

that's like

4 nossr months

that's too much

Blegh, too much work for colored IRC chat.

[void void]

use webchat

[austere ivy]

I can't put colored irc chat in.

[void void]

can't you just copypaste the escape codes for it

[austere ivy]

What escape codes do I need again?

[limber knot]

6potato

potato

[austere ivy]

Vic, TELL ME HOW.

[void void]

\x03

[limber knot]

\X036POTATO

[void void]

...

[limber knot]

AAAAAAAAA

Ctrl+C 6potato

i got it

6POTATO

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

hey brian

@static badge ur retarded

How??

hi purple

003㌳㌳

㌳

6potato

?

:(

6test

[void void]

should i help him or?

[austere ivy]

Please, prplz.

[limber knot]

Firstly, you your client must accept the insertion of a control character :3

[placid thicket]

can i get a pros/cons between paper-32 and vanilla 1.14.1?

[limber knot]

hello

[austere ivy]

kiwiirc?

[limber knot]

yes

[void void]

i just did it on webchat

just copy a \x03 char lol

[limber knot]

Hello.

which is possible with a proper client

which is possible with a proper clien

Hmm.

ctrl k

6ppotato

Anyone here have a mac?

[void void]

i just copied it from the chrome console

[limber knot]

yes

[void void]

'\x03'

[limber knot]

Simple, teach me how

no

these noobs smh my head

Please.

Once we were all noobs.

Ok enable Unicode Hex Input

Please, be my mentor.

I have already.

I'm still a noob. I've been using IRC for all of a week.

Switch your keyboard to Unicode Hex Input

Done.

oh shit im pinging

K then

test

test05test06test08test10est08t

What next, simple?

congratulations

What next, simple?

NO WHAT NEXT

you did it

[void void]

next stop typing. forever

[limber knot]

?? no

No that was a copy

What are you doing??

wot.

In a proper client type Opt+0003<ColorCode>

its easy

test

I WAS doing that

What client are you using

test

Textual

Whoa it worked

test

test

​

WHOA

6test

Okay, so spi.gt is a bad client.

e

6test

6

[void void]

works for me on the web client

you just are bad

[limber knot]

no shit