thats been long gone
#general
worn ember
austere ivy
tropic flame
mine just stayed loading infinitely
worn ember
ye
void void
lel i bet it was that patch that redesigned the UI
what's the kotlin version of Class<? extends Blablabla>
Thanks for that.
limber knotBOT
what else was there besides --clearCache
void void
nvm got it
tardy lynx
What's kotlin?
quasi valley
the third result in google in ger translates to "Kotlin: Why this new programming language is so unbelievably famous" ๐
stiff yarrow
@tardy lynx another JVM language
stiff yarrow
.g selfbot
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stiff yarrow
.g selfbot definition
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wide hazel
I have nothing on here I'd want to automate
also, I've been sucked into GW2 again
rip my time
aaaand money.
almost as bad as steam sales
clear portal
Just a small question about anti xrays (not just Paper's, but in general), couldn't there theoretically be an xray that doesn't work based on block data, but the seed itself?
And if so, how could that be circumvented?
wide hazel
yes, and don't give the seed out
clear portal
would a player not be able to just get the seed when they log into the map?
clear portal
Oh yeah thot makes sense
stiff yarrow
ternary operator was a mistake
wide hazel
in theory it would be possible to guess. Hard, though, I'd assume.
especially after block changes by players
clear portal
I can't imagine coding something to guess a seed based on block data. That'd be crazy.
ocean ether
Lol
clear portal
I saw a few videos on 2b and that's what got me back into MC
I haven't played for years until a few days ago
stiff yarrow
would it actually be possible to guess?
clear portal
I don't see why not
stiff yarrow
I don't think it'd be practical 
marble summit
Eww Imagine Downloading a Premade Self Bot
orchid pelican
.flags
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void void
marble summit
1.14 suck
1.13 ๐
1.12 (What was even added to 1.12)
So 1.12 is the Fabulous Update
โค
stiff yarrow
1.12 was the last update before "the flattening"
marble summit
Welp
TIme to die now
I gotta figure out how to make a skyblock plugin
But am tired
and don't know what i am even supposed to do
stiff yarrow
tbh I don't really get the appeal of skyblock plugins
marble summit
I like the skyblock gamemode
Very Cool
What servers survive then
Skyblock is just Minecraft: But on a limited space flying island
Or a better way to describe it is "Factory AFK Minecraft"
Well what gamemodes are good to have on a server
stiff yarrow
factorio was a pretty neat game
marble summit
If not skyblock
lapis shale
Hey guys, I tried googling the answer but could not find a good answer. In Paper.yml what benefits do armor stands have when ticking?
ArmorStands-Tick: True or false
marble summit
Anarchy is Cancer
Factions is Less Cancerous Anarchy
Survival most of those servers either suck or are good but dead
Creative Servers are kinda pointless and you wouldn't be able to get any donations from those since anything else would be P2W essentially
Then there are minigame servers which r good but expensive
void void
sparklez mentioned 2b https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBRpTU0wOI
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stiff yarrow
someone gonna tell me what 2b means
imagine having to police a MMO for giant phalluses
acoustic pilot
Wheee, finally think I got a decent library loader working. can just shade in a few KB for the library loader, and it will handle downloading, relocating and dynamically loading jars into class loader. It's a shame Luck's isn't decoupled.
fiery lichen
fickle rain
deep shoal
when I shoot someone with an arrow
does the server ping my client
when the arrow "lands"
if I have 100 ms of ping
do arrows take 100ms longer to register as hits?
stiff yarrow
do you mean before you see it hit clientside?
deep shoal
no
just on the server
the server just tracks the arrow right
and when it hits... it hits?
correct
instantaneous?
this is what I thought anyway
orchid pelican
thinking about buying a used out of commision server
marble summit
Buy it for 50 cents
orchid pelican
yep
golden gust
The server tracks everything going on and sends updates to the player, the client also kinda predicts what's going on as some stuff is ticked locally
golden gust
Yea, rip
orchid pelican
yep
marble summit
W e l p
stiff yarrow
up for me suckers
stiff yarrow
tfw you get routed to the working reddit servers 
@orchid pelican what will the dedi be used for?
orchid pelican
bungeecord mysql and a 2 mc instances
stiff yarrow
if its Minecraft, better off with a gaming CPU since it will probably be cheaper
single thread performance will be higher on average too
orchid pelican
how would an i7 4770 fiar?
orchid pelican
i got a lga 1550 laying around
stiff yarrow
are you going to colocate
stiff yarrow
did I spell it wrong or something
orchid pelican
hostinng it yourself is cheaper though
stiff yarrow
yeah but then you're subject to your ISPs whims
orchid pelican
hmmm i should look at my tos
orchid pelican
cloudflare
golden gust
CF won't work for MC unless you're paying $$$$
stiff yarrow
damn 4 dollar signs
orchid pelican
how so
golden gust
Cloudflare acts as a web proxy
void void
lmao. Just read an article about some chick being evicted from her house. At first I was like "ok lets see why this happened"
"I was late to court, and they had a trial without me. I was to be evicted. So I filed a motion. I was late to that too. So I filed another motion...."
I'm like. bitch what the fuck
No shit. You walked right into that, made your bed, and slept in it.
stiff yarrow
maybe shes working 3 jobs simple
golden gust
You gotta pay big bux for their spectrum thingamabob
orchid pelican
ah
fast furnace
faint pagoda
golden gust
Hopefully ๐คท
golden gust
The system exists, just, vanilla doesn't really use it, and there are a lot of o.O's
stiff yarrow
still waiting for that pre-N that fixes chunk loading
golden gust
Does .2 touch anything else with chunk loading?
Thing here is that we don't wanna spend hours poking around mojang system for them just to rek or changes in a few days
carmine hinge
world#getChunkAtAsync doesn't seem to work
and I mean
it just does this
public CompletableFuture<org.bukkit.Chunk> getChunkAtAsync(int x, int z, boolean gen) {
CompletableFuture<org.bukkit.Chunk> ret = new CompletableFuture();
ret.complete(this.getChunkAt(x, z));
return ret;
}
so yeah
golden gust
Did you bother to look at github or?
static badge
that's a placeholder
carmine hinge
where on github do i look
carmine hinge
i dont have the proper source rn lol
this is IDEA decompiled
i still cant get my stupid maven repo system to work with sources
i tried a ton of different things but it just doesnt work
golden gust
We don't publish -Server sources
stiff yarrow
1.14 is kind of a dumpster fire if you didn't notice
limber knotBOT
a cyberpunk duster fire, from the future
stiff yarrow
maven repository and private in the same sentence 
golden gust
lol, I've apparently been proxying the mc stuff from aikars server
carmine hinge
it is where i put my heretical paper source mirrors
void void
wat does it mean when only 1 person is getting this
[/50.81.248.201:56695|Mattman096] -> UpstreamBridge - read timed out
ok thx
golden gust
Who is prooobably proxying it from elswhere
void void
pets @golden gust
golden gust
It means that their network probably sucks or something didn't send a packet in so long
void void
k thought so
carmine hinge
Anyway what do the comments in the actual source say?
void void
thx bby
golden gust
it basically notes that it's a placeholder
carmine hinge
well technically
it downloaded it
but it won't attach
also
I figured as much lol
golden gust
Your chat client supports sentences, please use them
carmine hinge
I was just pasting it to show it does nothing rn
carmine hinge
is there a way to use the questionable mojang chunk loading now?
well if it uses it internally
golden gust
Spotted has a PR open
carmine hinge
ohh
static badge
I mean look at my pr
carmine hinge
I can just use his version
static badge
wouldn't recommend
carmine hinge
it's for test server anyway
static badge
there's some issues that need to be resolved and checked
carmine hinge
my actual server is actually still on 1.12.2
golden gust
Do the tickets just stop the chunks from being unloaded?
carmine hinge
well wouldn't it be useful to have it running on a test server anyway?
static badge
yeah
the second ticket add lets it be unloaded
don't ask me how that fucking works
cuz i d k
golden gust
some tickets let you hold chunks iirc
carmine hinge
alright well
static badge
player sorta worked
carmine hinge
ima use it
static badge
had unloading issues
it would only unload if a player moved around
which is not acceptable if ur using it to load 15000 chunks for worldborder
golden gust
Hm, need to see how the ticket system works
static badge
initially using unload as a ticket failed to work as well
there's also api concerns for using plugin
probably just going to make my own ticket and get the behavior I want that way
golden gust
Thinking of the chunk unloading delay patch
static badge
unknown*
golden gust
We could probably do with bringing that up, and could maaaybe squeeze it to let async chunks remain loaded for some time but be unloaded out as expected
static badge
yeah that's what I was thinking I would do with the ticket
unloading next tick sounds like garbage if you're trying to load an entire area temporarily
but technically there's api to prevent unloading
the loadChunk api specifically
might add a loadChunkAsynchronously too later
which would be the same thing except it adds the plugin ticket
also that reminds me mind reviewing my other pr? the one about configurable spawn range
limber knotBOT
If I set my API version to 1.14.1 in plugin.yml it says It's invalid by paper? What are the supported api-version fields?
static badge
1.13 or 1.14
stiff yarrow
only 1.14 works
limber knotBOT
Alright, Awesome, I don't need to be that specific then
snow crescent
unreal quarry
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carmine coyote
native ginkgo
Anyone have a recommendation for playervaults in 1.14
native ginkgo
junior token
fresh ermine
does anyone know an easy way to disable all plugin jars so i can test which one is breaking my server without going through and adding a DIS suffix at the end of the .jar
deep shoal
when a player quits do the arrows they shot get deleted?
jolly night
frank tiger
gray blaze
austere ivy
mote
rancid urchin
does anyone have a good PCpartpicker for a high end mc server?
but also not super expensive
and by high end i mean 1.14 ๐
golden gust
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/commits/585b2ebdd5acc364d22822837ee5cd06e6ddc4cd Well, that's one fix for the messages
golden gust
You know how you can hold shift and just delete messages without having to confirm it?
Wonder if that happens with kick
golden gust
๐
We tested it, it still asks you as it wants a reason
That sucks, can't shotgun kick ๐ฆ
and yup
void void
That's where IRC wins
golden gust
You'd need to setup some form of telomotry, something like an exception is probably killing something
Had issues before with a similar effect of getting stuck on chunk loads because the worker threads had been killed due to an exception
No
Honestly stumped me at the time, I only clicked onto what was going on when I managed to trip it on the main thread and cause a visible exception
austere ivy
Why on earth is elytra disabling not connected to whether or not the player can fly, but whether or not the server thinks the player can fly which can be completely messed up by having a change flight toggle event and then disabling the player's flight which then the player still isn't in creative fly but the server isn't getting whether or not the player can fly, but rather it's using some silly cached version or something.
This is silly.
safe tide
why cant I update my custom YML file the same way I do with a default config
austere ivy
like config.save()
?
Because Bukkit is silly sometimes but no one wants to change it to become better because backwards compatibility.
safe tide
I'm loading it into a YAMLConfiguation and then do copyDefaults(true)
wait I may have figured out something
austere ivy
What's wrong with that?
(just curious)
and?
just that it's old?
oh huh oki
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
that's pretty cool
safe tide
I'm betting it works with 1.14
Not how that works
if it uses the bukkit API only then a lot of the time no changes needed
w/o source I cant tell tho only way to know is to try it
golden gust
Discord was just munching on like 2G of ram \o/
void void
mines using like 80mb
golden gust
I literally have no idea
safe tide
I thought the cat entered the chat to contradict me
fresh ermine
anyone know of something that can export commandbook warps to essentialsx?
only reference I can find of it and the guy said he just wrote his own script and didn't even link it rip
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austere ivy
That one guy who wrote his own script?
austere ivy
Alright, well that one guy who responded before is Tuxed and I'm pretty sure that's just Tux whose also on here. Let me see if I can find out who that guy was.
I'd just ask reply to him and ask him if he still has that conversion script. If not, I'd assume both EssX and CommandBook are using YAML so it might not be too hard, but I'm not entirely sure.
fresh ermine
commandbook uses CSV
austere ivy
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
golden gust
I mean
If you know sed and hate yourself, you could probably pull that off in bash lol
fresh ermine
ahaha don't know sed at all, also i do like myself a bit at least
i found one that converts Essentials (not EssentialsX) to CommandBook
but thats about it
golden gust
Literally nothing between them that's relevant other than who compiled them
ancient bolt
fuck autocomplete got me
rm needs a "if you type fuck in the next 5 seconds after running rm, restore file" setting
austere ivy
Idea, just never ever delete files. get more hard drives, soon you will have hundreds of terabytes worth of data but you'll never have that issue /s ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ancient bolt
that's literally what companies do
austere ivy
I guess I'm the opposite of a company, everything I have/need is stored in one folder and anytime I reset my computer which I do every couple of months I just bring that one folder along.
austere ivy
It's funny because on my plugins I do optimizations thinking "oh boy don't want to have a loop there" or something like that or "oh boy I need to cache this"
void void
does the server start a new log file if it gets too big in size or is it just on every restart
golden gust
I wanna say that there is a size limit but don't quote me on that
austere ivy
but then I look at super giant popular plugins like Essentials that seemingly work fine and they have gigantic amalgamated clocks and tickers and all these things
and their performance is fine
void void
alright thanks electron
golden gust
Oh, doesn't look like there is one actually
austere ivy
I think computers are pretty cool, they're insanely fast and can do all these things without us even worrying.
Then again my computer almost dies inside trying to load youtube.. so.
What's 12+2
ancient bolt
@austere ivy because you don't know how to tell which code does or doesn't need to be optimized, nor do you know how to optimize them
which is why premature optimization isn't usually a good thing
austere ivy
And also very correct, Demon, I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.
limber knotBOT
ornate spindle
it is as if they're treating release as snapshots now
ancient bolt
Worst thing about this time of night is I feel bad for ordering delivery
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void void
tipping is confusing af
if youre used to just paying the amount everything is labelled as then its weird
also things in stores have extra taxes than what the price tag says, thats dumb too
GST (australian tax) is included in the price tag
limber knotBOT
#paper-dev
ancient bolt
I just did a dummy
did a
var caught: Exception? = null
try {
...
} catch (e: Exception) {
caught = e
} finally {
if (caught != null) {
...
}
}
compromise; caughted
ancient bolt
me drowning in the complexity of paperweight https://media.giphy.com/media/NTur7XlVDUdqM/giphy.gif
merry talon
@spare venture with doordash tips go towards the delivery person's payment, not on top of it
and if you don't tip doordash will cover it fully
not sure if that applies to other services or what
so if you're going to tip you should give it to them in cash
unreal quarry
weirdest part about taxes to me is we get double taxed. first tax is on income. make $100? $20 of that isn't yours. goes to the govmt. fine. w/e. lets take our $80 and go buy a $60 video game. wait, there's tax on that too. $10 worth, making it a $70 game. :/
made $100, spent $60, left with $10.
merry talon
I'm fine with that if it means I'm not screwing my whole family if I get cancer
limber knotBOT
oh you make more money? Good now even less of that is yours
merry talon
don't tell me you believe that tax bracket myth
limber knotBOT
what myth
merry talon
where you make less money in a higher bracket
limber knotBOT
but you do own less of what you make in a higher bracket tho?
limber knotBOT
yes?
merry talon
oh yeah a higher percentage gets taken maybe
but there's no way to make less money than before because of that
limber knotBOT
There's effectively a marriage tax too
unreal quarry
fun fact: last time i worked 7 days in a week the 7th was "free" because it jumped my tax bracket. made the exact same amount of "bring home" money as a 6 day week. definitely not a myth
merry talon
unreal quarry
link anything you want. doesnt change what i just said lol
merry talon
I just dont think you're accurately reflecting what happened
this has been argued time and time again and it's always the person just being confused
unreal quarry
work 3 days, bring home $500. work 4, bring home $800, work 5, bring home $1100. work 6 bring home $1300. work 7 bring home $1300.
merry talon
not possible
unreal quarry
believe what you wanna believe, man
checks are bigger, dont get me wrong. but thats gross vs net. i dont get what my checks say, because of taxes.
merry talon
there's no way you can make nothing the 7th day unless that bracket has a 100% tax rate
because none of the lower bracket income will be taxed at the new rate
unless where you are is some weird outlier
limber knotBOT
would be nice to have just a simple flat rate and not worry about deductions and other stuff
ancient bolt
no, you're right sweepy. Math doesn't work out. Unless the argument is that the amount is so little more then it doesn't matter, that's a different situation
merry talon
yeah then that's just shitty, but I've never even heard of a big enough jump as to make it insignificant
fresh ermine
rip essentialsx discord wasn't any help with a converter
unreal quarry
anyone else getting floating grass over ponds?
limber knotBOT
the only way for that to be close to true, is if your employer with-holds more of your income for a higher tax rate for over time pay
which is common, however, that money is really lost. So you could make little more for that 7th day, however at the end of the year whatever was extra that the employer withheld comes back
isn't really lost*
So, while you might not see your pay dramatically increase for that 7th day of work, you would see more on your tax return
unreal quarry
idk how it all works. i'm just a blue colar worker trying to survive ๐
all i know is i dont get paid for 7th day
so i stopped working 7 days
merry talon
well if you truly never get paid for that there's something fishy going on
but if what frostalf said is going on then you probably don't know yet
definitely something you can ask about though
limber knotBOT
it should show on your pay stubs how much they with-hold for taxes
and there is two different taxes btw
there is your normal income tax for federal and state if the state you live in has state income tax, and there is a different slightly higher tax for over-time pay
the over time tax percentage is not dependent on the tax bracket you are in, but rather how much you earned overall in over-time
so the more you earn in over time, the higher the percentage is, and it does cap off, same with tax brackets. Even though you get yourself into a different tax bracket, there is cap in how much tax you pay overall.
btw, the tax on over-time pay is also known as marginal tax rate
limber knotBOT
things could be simpler but we seem to not want that
pseudo stump
shell vine
If it's an arbitrary point where it increases then yes that could happen
If you get taxed 30% at 99 dollars, then get taxed 50% at 100 dollars
For example
limber knotBOT
why
olive blade
Could I ask for some more help with mysql? Still going down on a daily basis taking down the panel and everything, logs have absolutely nothing, blocked ports, deleted plugins using mysql, and still can't find the cause.
olive blade
we use pterodactyl which requires mysql
olive blade
when mysql goes down, well we can't use the panel until we restart mysql
void void
whats the context?
limber knotBOT
we were just talking about that in #spigot
olive blade
Servers running fine - around 3:20 pm JST daily, we get ```> [07:08:31 WARN]: Caused by: com.mysql.jdbc.exceptions.jdbc4.CommunicationsException: Communications link failure
The last packet sent successfully to the server was 0 milliseconds ago. The driver has not received any packets from the server.
[07:08:31 WARN]: at sun.reflect.GeneratedConstructorAccessor326.newInstance(Unknown Source)
[07:08:31 WARN]: at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:45)
[07:08:31 WARN]: at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:423)
[07:08:31 WARN]: at com.mysql.jdbc.Util.handleNewInstance(Util.java:407)
[07:08:31 WARN]: at com.mysql.jdbc.SQLError.createCommunicationsException(SQLError.java:1116)
[07:08:31 WARN]: at com.mysql.jdbc.MysqlIO.<init>(MysqlIO.java:343)
[07:08:31 WARN]: at com.mysql.jdbc.ConnectionImpl.coreConnect(ConnectionImpl.java:2334)```
void void
??
vestal jasper
void void
softest foots
vestal jasper
heady spear
aw cute rock cat @vestal jasper
brittle tinsel
native thunder
Your mysql user creds are wrong
quasi valley
I already hated the load of "community teamspeaks" giving 20 roles to people for "structuring" stuff ๐
merry talon
oh those were bad too
I only ever joined those to see what it was like and then left immediately
I liked how you could add some charm by uploading your own images for roles though
merry talon
and teamspeak plugins made for some good times
like soundboards
when used modestly
crimson lodge
Which one is better https://www.tebex.io/ vs https://craftingstore.net
merry talon
never heard of the latter and tebex/BC has been around forever
and that industry is particularly ephemeral
so there's that
quasi valley
is there a really nice website or similar that teaches how to use 10 finger writing on keyboards? ๐
rich idol
stiff yarrow
@quasi valley mavis beacon for 4 hours straight and you'll be set
that's what I did a very long time ago
quasi valley
๐ I'll try
unborn grail
merry talon
waste of time
you can be just as good at typing with two fingers
runescape taught me to type
none of that home row crap
quasi valley
it's not that I write too slow or anything, I just type the wrong key once in a while
merry talon
then it seems like that's your problem
not the whole technique
seems like home row typing is more error prone tbh
limber knotBOT
#paper-dev
stiff yarrow
oof, imagine being proud of typing like a dingus
merry talon
oof, imagine being elitist about your style of typing
quasi valley
I have these cool little รถ รค # beside the L, not the ;
stiff yarrow
I'd hardly call it elitism, more like common sense 
stiff yarrow
I doubt it
tropic flame
idk the context but am I the only one who does not use the numeric keyboard
only when a game really requires it?
stiff yarrow
numpad is great
merry talon
yeah that's what its called lol
tropic flame
like in GTA San Andreas to switch the Hydra's modes
that's like the only time when I use the numpad
quasi valley
playing gta in vehicles without a controller 
tropic flame
PC masterrace
nah but I just prefer to play with the keyboard tbh--- oh
vehicles? ye
merry talon
actually I use it for flying in GTA V, the default aircraft controls are so fucking bad that I rebound them
everyone just thinks they suck at flying
tropic flame
lmao, in GTA SA the numpad 8 key switches the Hydra to "airplane mode" and numpad 2 to "helicopter mode"
merry talon
but also I don't always need to use it because you don't always need that rudder turning
whatever that's called
lol, the hydra in V does that with E
but then the default controls are throttle up and down on W and S for some fucking reason
rebound them to shift and ctrl and wasd for pitch/roll
yaw is on numpad
tropic flame
ye
merry talon
I got really good at flying the buzzard
my friends would always crash and blow up immediately
they never listened
quasi valley
I would cry if I had to fly anything in gta without a controller ๐
merry talon
feels easier to me on keyboard and mouse ๐คท
tropic flame
I mean I get it that you have much more control with analog sticks than with a keyboard
but it's not like it's unbearable, I play just fine
merry talon
little taps for adjustment usually suffices
but I'm no dogfighting expert
I'm just good at maneuvering
tropic flame
never played anything about SA tho so maybe that's why
in GTA IV you're driving bars of soap instead of cars 
the mechanics are easier in the 3D era
tropic flame
GTA V's car mechanics are also more forgiving
being able to turn your car again inside the car so it gets back on the road
after being upside down
quasi valley
I have ~5 hours and literally no idea what to do now in 4
merry talon
well that's just for quality of life
quasi valley
like I really dont know how to progress the story
tropic flame
in GTA IV? there's definitely a story lmao
I just never played it so I can't help you
quasi valley
i dont even know how to expand as I dont even find any missions but the little side ones
merry talon
the thing is just cause has never really been about the story, just about causing chaos
but when the game doesn't do that well
๐
quasi valley
yeah I really loved jc 3, but 4... is something else
merry talon
I have a bunch of hours in 2, no clue what the story's about
think I downloaded a 100% save and a bunch of mods
and that was fun to kill time with
quasi valley
the controls were a bit to clonky for me in 2
merry talon
yeah they aren't great but the mechanics made it really fun
like the grappling hook
also the cars suck but who cares about them when you can jump between supersonic jets
quasi valley
yep
limber knotBOT
Hi, I'm considering switching from 1.14.1 vanilla to paper, is paper more unstable than vanilla currently?
merry talon
no, should be better
but my advice is as always
make a backup and then test it
see for yourself
limber knotBOT
Thanks. I'll try it out :)
fathom vigil
Should you automatically save the world on an interval? ๐ค
fathom vigil
Alright, thanks ๐
lucid cargo
merry talon
also FWIW, bukkit/spigot can do it on an interval on its own now so you wouldn't use a plugin anyway
merry talon
It should
I think it's just async chunks we're missing?
but don't quote me on that
fathom vigil
๐
unreal quarry
@fathom vigil @merry talon all the patches still in queue to be updated to 1.14 https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/tree/ver/1.14/removed/1.14
merry talon
ah
so we don't have it https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/ver/1.14/removed/1.14/0134-Auto-Save-Improvements.patch
unreal quarry
not yet
everyone is waiting for mojang to fix the chunk loading issues first. its useless to do all that work to update the patches now just to have to redo the exact same thing again for 1.14.2 or 1.14.7 (whichever one they actually fix chunks in)
unreal quarry
they were supposed to have it fixed in 1.14.1, but didnt. they're currently claiming its fixed in 1.14.2
we shall see
merry talon
I didn't think that would've affected saving
unreal quarry
1.14.1 only addressed the crashing from chunk loading. its still super slow. but its not crashing anymore, so maybe they really did fix it
loading/saving same thing ๐
unreal quarry
they at least seem like they're trying to fix things. hell, even leaf reported a bug and they fixed it in 1.14.2 https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-151674
i think the real problem is lack of QA
fathom vigil
The autosave interval is set to 6000 in the bukkit config so I guess it should autosave then.
unreal quarry
yes. that setting does a /save-all every 6000 ticks (5 minutes)
as we all know /save-all is slow as hell on 1.14.x, so thats a big bummer. gonna have a 5-10 second lag spike every 5 minutes
at least until paper updates the incremental saves patch. that patch takes that save and spread it up over time so it still saves just as much, but in a not so laggy way ๐
fathom vigil
Mojang gets bought by Microsoft for 2.5 billion dollars but the game is still unplayable without community optimizations
Epic
unreal quarry
btw, if anyone is thinking about doing a pregen on 1.14.. dont. i tried it a few hours ago hoping my nvme drives would handle it. nope. here's what my tps did while it was running at 10 chunks/second.
there's definitely some kind of memory leak still. even 15 minutes after cancelling the pregen the server did not recover (notice tps went back to 20, but everyone was still lagging like crazy until the reboot)
limber knotBOT
hi
tropic flame
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tropic flame
if you remember this you qualify for a veteran's discount
signal tiger
stray lava
void void
acoustic pilot
Run Paperclip 1.12.2 or compile Paper 1.12.2 on your own
unreal quarry
yes
dapper nacelle
I'm having this weird issue that causes lag spikes when blocks near the worldspawn are places/broken
is there any quickfix?
I am using 1.14.1 - build 26
merry talon
yeah there's going to be a lot of weird issues on 1.14
not much you can do about it yet
dapper nacelle
I might generate a new void world on 1.14.2 when it's out and just paste my spawn in there with worldedit
see if that solves it
merry talon
probably a good idea
tropic flame
quasi valley
time to burn my computer with shaders
merry talon
hmm, wat do when kill -9 doesn't work
tropic flame
well i guess imma test this
spice grail
tropic flame
is this supposed to be a preview of the world generation?
oh nvm looks too symmetrical lol
merry talon
wait wat is that
tropic flame
idk, it's on 1.14
I have no idea what it is
I'd guess it represents the chunk loading but I have no idea
merry talon
interesting
limber bone
merry talon
steel monolith
coral sonnet
Are there only 1.14.1 versions of paper or am I blind?
Oh forgot to say. I'm looking for the 1.14 version. :D
limber knotBOT
Hello, wondering if I should use the start params provided @ https://mcflags.emc.gs/ for bungee Waterfall.
dire remnant
merry talon
uf0: probably not
you don't have to do anything special there since waterfall is so lightweight
default flags should suffice
coral sonnet
Hmm. I guess I have to try out all the versions
cedar spade
...why are you looking for the 1.14 one?
coral sonnet
Because I want to try the optifine version of 1.14
It's still in development and an alpha version for 1.14 just got released.
There's a link in the update channel
merry talon
anyone got a linode referral code?
limber knotBOT
should java -Xms8G -Xmx8G -jar Waterfall.jar be good?
quasi valley
just be sane, test OF in singleplayer and wait for it to really update
cedar spade
as far as I can tell, MCP isn't ready for 1.14.1
OptiFine can't update to 1.14.1 while there's no MCP for it
tardy lynx
Mojang should build Optifine into vanilla mc
quasi valley
coral sonnet
No I'm still running 1.13.2 and want to upgrade. :D
merry talon
of0: you don't need anywhere near 8 gigs for waterfall
cedar spade
Be patient
merry talon
even 1gb is usually overkill
vestal jasper
Assuming 1.14.1 isn't too different than 1.14, and the fact that they literally cannot work on OF 1.14.1, there's no reason to not continue work on OF 1.14
merry talon
but I'd set it to that
cedar spade
I don't know how many times we have to repeatedly shout this but just wait for everything to be ready for 1.14
*1.14.x
tardy lynx
Would a rasberry pi work for waterfall?
merry talon
actually, I'd set it to whatever the jvm default is, that is to say
no flags
probably
tardy lynx
1GB ram
merry talon
try it out
cedar spade
everyone switching to foss mappings when
tardy lynx
For how many players?
merry talon
no way to really know unless you do the testing
tardy lynx
"For up to 500 players 512MB of ram will do."
gaunt shuttle
merry talon
quite confused right now
since when do I have a party?
what is a party?
wat
oh is that just a join message
well the thing is
I heard a random channel disconnect noise
and was never in a channel
so I assumed it had something to do with that
lul
I don't know where the hell that came from then
merry talon
oh shit I think it's a discord bug
it kind of half put me back into a locked channel when I restarted
after I hit yes wondering what would happen then forgot about it
this is no bait
channel was white like I was in it
and I heard the other dude leave
but I couldn't see myself
unfortunately
their bug tracker that they want me to read
is like 300 miles of scrolling
tardy lynx
If I pregen the world of my pi server, will it not drop to 8tps when walking in one direction?
raspberry pi
Pi 3B+, on Paper 1.12.2
ok cool
timid steppe
tardy lynx
I tried paper 1.13.2 on a Pi Zero once
rancid urchin
how much better is paper 28 vs 26?
glacial hemlock
@tardy lynx How is it on the 3B+? I was thinking about moving my kids game to my pi.
tardy lynx
Which mc version?
glacial hemlock
1.14 now
tardy lynx
For how many players?
glacial hemlock
2-4
tardy lynx
1.12.2 runs fine with 4 players, if 1.14.2 is as good as that it'll work
Otherwise expect lag
1.13.2 runs 3-4 players
glacial hemlock
@tardy lynx Thank you. I will prep for testing. Thank you for your review.
tardy lynx
:P
Overcloking might help too
You'll probably need to change some optimisation settings too
rancid urchin
@spare venture 28 is running pretty well
unreal quarry
28 is running well for me as well
except for the 3 hours i was pregening my world
thats another story
that'll happen to a lot of servers. too many players joining at once
tardy lynx
Ima use 1.12.2 with viaversion for now
spiral garden
is there anything that doesn't work on 1.14? (apart from mods)
oh wait i think it autodisables actually
i'll put a patched version on the support channel in a moment
unreal quarry
TIL emojis can be used in channel topics, even custom animated ones
unreal quarry
nice ^_^
vestal jasper
it doesn't work well though
void void
vestal jasper
if you click directly on the channel link it opens up the popup and switches channel iirc
unreal quarry
love it
vestal jasper
Yeah that's how it works, nicerino discord
it shouldn't popup when you click channel links but it does anyway
unreal quarry
win some lose some ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vestal jasper
better than not having it at all
You should be able to "ping" people with it too ๐ค
spiral totem
Oh, I didn't even know about ezprotector. I even wrote a very similar plugin myself, but it was kind of a pain. Maybe I'll use that on in the future.
unreal quarry
could you imagine. everytime you open discord you get pinged because of topic
lmao
vestal jasper
lmao
speaking of which I have a use for being able to ping something in a topic
it was the best plugin until they took out support for 1.8
yeah ok fuck off reviewer.
rating 1 star because it no longer supports heavily outdated versions is bullshit.
acoustic pilot
it's a legitimate criticism from a review perspective ๐
doubt there are many such reviews though
vestal jasper
10/17 reviews on the latest version are about 1.8 support being dropped
acoustic pilot
damn, maybe shouldn't have dropped it ๐
vestal jasper
5/10 of those are 1 star reviews
unreal quarry
maybe the owners running 1.8 should just stick with the older version of the plugin that still works on 1.8?
^_^
legacy servers need legacy plugins ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vestal jasper
Tbf though DNSP decided to purge the version history
acoustic pilot
If it's premium, I guess I could understand
but yeah, if it's free, just stick to old versions
unreal quarry
i got a 1 star once for not making dolphins ridable on 1.8
vestal jasper
Free plugin, he updated the plugin and removed old versions, and he cleared the version history
so you can't download the 1.8 compatible versions
acoustic pilot
lol dick move
vestal jasper
Yeah I can see the version history being cleared as something to get upset about
But I don't see complaints about him dropping support for 5 year old versions of MC as very valid
feelsbad
acoustic pilot
if there's a GitHub, maybe he wiped his repo too lol
cedar spade
I think he only did that so people would stop asking for support on the older versions
tardy lynx
forget 1.8, 1.7 is all the rage
spiral garden
i haven't cleaned commit history, that's bullshit
but I have cleaned the older versions, because those are ridden with bugs and people keep using them
austere ivy
Look at the comment section.
Developers were replying on the bugs.
Interesting thread.
spiral garden
@meager perch check the support server, there is a version for 1.14 you can test
tardy lynx
1.14.2 when
austere ivy
Soon probably, Triatic.
We might get a 1.13.8 like what happened with 1.8, haha.
Or even a 1.13.10 ;p
Haha.
wide chasm
Well 1.14.3 seems confirmed with that reply.
tardy lynx
first .3 version since 1.9
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
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wide chasm
Could have made a 3650 days 3650 bugs probably.
austere ivy
There's a bunch of bugs.
Countless bugs not only with performance, but with gameplay, mainly.
SO MANY DUPES.
Unbelievable amounts of dupes with villagers.
Trading, killing.
Also crashing.
Also only 1 raid at a server at a time.
golden gust
Welcome to software development
austere ivy
No no barty.
I mean put your items in a villager GUI, change their profession, and you can dupe entire stacks of items.
You're saying there's not that many bugs. There's a lot of bugs, both with performance, and gameplay. And I'm glad they're putting work into fixing it.
golden gust
can you change their profession in vanilla?
austere ivy
Yeah, electronic.
wide chasm
Yes, electronic
golden gust
rip
austere ivy
With the new mechanics you just have to put a different workstation by them.
golden gust
It's really a shitty catch 22 for multiplayer software development
austere ivy
So say, you can put a piston to trigger with a 5 second delay, open the villager's GUI, put your items you wanna dupe, and them boom duped.
Or something like that.
golden gust
- To test multiplayer software, you really need a way to get people on that server to test for long enough
(pre-releases)
- You don't really wanna have to deal with the work of managing a server full of.. well, minecrafters
austere ivy
Yeah..
tardy lynx
mojang should revert minecraft back to 1.7.10
austere ivy
But it's not even multiplayer though.
Like all these bugs can be done in singleplayer, it's just.. odd
golden gust
You're assuming that anybody has the time to go through every single potential game outcome on every build/release of the game
wide chasm
They don't have a QA team, so they don't really catch many bugs without others reporting them.
austere ivy
Oh yeah, with raids, there can only be one raid in a server, right? But here's where the fun part comes in. Raids call every witch, illegaler, all those types of mobs, in a 40 THOUSAND BLOCK RADIUS.
If there are any witches or illagers in a 40 THOUSAND BLOCK RADIUS then your raid won't end.
Which is silly.
golden gust
Also, isssues like the worldgen crashes
wide chasm
They're dev process to me sounds like make fix, test, "seems to work", push to master.
golden gust
People running affected builds have been able to get away with saying it didn't crash once
proper kiln
tardy lynx
If it compiles, push to master
golden gust
I don't find it hard to believe that mojang staffers managed to pull off the testing of things on their test servers without actually triggering a crash
austere ivy
Also, barty, that's really silly. "If only there weren't ways to fix that with plugins"
golden gust
Was playing on 1.14 just fine (I mean, I ran a pregen task and crashed a few seconds later, and just RIP)
austere ivy
We shouldn't have to fix major gameplay bugs and duped bugs with third party tools.
Especially since this is a giant multibillion dollar game.
golden gust
Performance wasn't that bad on single player for me
wide chasm
Peformance, no, but the others bugs were definitely noticeable.
austere ivy
electronic, I get like 5 fps on singleplayer.
5-10 fps on 1.14.1
40-50 fps on 1.12.2
I don't know what they did ๐
golden gust
And you're assuming that your situation applies to all
austere ivy
Well that's just my experience from updating from 1.12.2 to 1.14.1
golden gust
Did you test 1.13? Could just be shitty opengl support on your side
austere ivy
1.13 is slightly worse than 1.14.1, could be yeah.
Oh yeah did they update LWJGL on 1.13?
1.13.2
If I ever say a version, just assume I'm talking about the most recent sub-version thingy.
.. yes.
tardy lynx
1.14 client is fine for me
austere ivy
barty.
This is general.
I started this conversation off by talking about what the vanilla devs were talking about.
And how they're fixing vanilla's bugs.
I don't understand how you got to that we were talking about paper from anything in this conversation ._.
Like I don't mean to be mean but you seem to constantly act like I'm stupid and then not even bother to understand what I'm even talking about.
signal ocean
normal echo
Did you know you can make a role called everyone and discord will prefer it when you @ everyone ๐ฎ
austere ivy
๐
golden gust
creates said role and assigns it to everyone
austere ivy
but you can also just use your arrow keys to move down
I think dunno
Can't you restrict @everyone to only certain people?
Like there it doesn't work. Lemme go test that it sounds cool ;o
normal echo
You can't, https://zob.ie/BgEBG.gif
there's probably a way around it if you had everyone enabled though ๐
normal echo
Do you have the role pingable?
austere ivy
Well I'm the owner in that test server
so I can't really make it unpingable for myself
oh are you talking about the group?
I didn't put myself in the role but I still got pinged when I did it
which was odd
mortal rock
austere ivy
tardy lynx
100mbps is fine for ~500 players
~1000 if you push it
yeah 250 is fine
I had 100 on my kimsufi
What's the gam2?
4790K?
I estimate 15.5% better with the 7700K
:D
I used to have this
merry talon
@spare venture try one of those new 'rise' servers
merry talon
the 1270 v6 is not old
it outperforms the 4790k in single core
and smashes it everywhere else of course
yeah you want the first one
tardy lynx
Would this be good for a multithreaded server application?
merry talon
you get NVMe too
just different use case
@tardy lynx yes, very
you get ECC too
might be worth it for 1.14 lul
tardy lynx
I had DDR3-1066 ECC
austere ivy
Triatic really?
tardy lynx
Yeah with that hella old cpu
prime coral
tardy lynx
My desktop has 24GB DDR3-1600
tardy lynx
Yeah I run a lot of stuff that needs lots of ram but isn't memory intensive
merry talon
well that's an oxymoron
merry talon
man the 4790k feels so outdated now
I was benchmarking some xeon platinums earlier
soo nice
tardy lynx
merry talon
I'd like to test Online's EPYC servers
but I refuse to pay my $5 invoice for an object storage bucket I didn't use once
fuck that
tardy lynx
ok
merry talon
lol they took the e off
tardy lynx
need more monitors lol
austere ivy
Reading through Google's java style guide.
I like this section lol.
they are broken and they must be fixed
tardy lynx
lemme see if I still have some of my really old code
nope, only semi-old stuff that has proper formatting
patent kayak
placid thicket
so apparantly 14.2 still hasn't corrected the lighting issues fully, using nether portals and DISCONNECTING from the game results in black chunks
carmine hinge
placid thicket
apparently they are having a really hard time reproducing the issue to test it
consider yourself lucky, its honestly the most irritating thing ever when minecraft forgets how a room made out of glowstone works and spawns creepers anyway
golden gust
lol
void void
mojang needs to get working, 180mods on 1.12 runs better than vanilla 1.14 lmao
well not ram wise
but cpu wise and chunk gen wise
rose pier
placid thicket
Mojang's recent works have been to make all the systems modular, HOPEFULLY that means that they are planning to open-source more of the game... then maybe we can fix their issues for them >.>
golden gust
I just wish we had sane mappings
placid thicket
really hope they do end up open sourceing blaze3D, then maybe we can help get to the bottom of this
rose pier
Does anyone have some guidelines on hardware specs for 20/30/40 player slots using PaperMC with few plugins?
tardy lynx
Version?
placid thicket
1.14?
rose pier
Newest stable.
placid thicket
oh, so you mean 1.12?
limber knotBOT
oof
void void
lol
rose pier
Heh, I'm not familiar with the versioning here. So long as it's not live-pushed and prone to crashing.
placid thicket
yeah, so that's 1.12, as in minecraft 1.12
void void
1.12.2
limber knotBOT
from my experience with 1.14+ OVH 5+Ghz 64GM ram server is enough to handle 2 instances of 30 player 1.14 minecraft
tardy lynx
Kimsufi KS-9 worked for 20-30 players for me for 1.13.2
rose pier
Huh. That seems surprisingly old. I'm interested in both that and 1.14 then.
limber knotBOT
wouldnt put more than 2 instances of minecraft 1.14 on 100$ dedi from ovh
if its clear out survival, minigames are much easier
placid thicket
1.14 vanilla is NOT stable, and paper is also unstable. use at your own risk, expect broken redstone, frequent lighting errors and slow chunk loading
limber knotBOT
hurpa durpa