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pulsar wigeon
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gdi

austere ivy
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what

upper flicker
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the only thing worse than a world wizjany cant stand, is a world wizjany creates that he cant stand

austere ivy
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if (lore != null) {
    lore.forEach(TextUtils::color);
    itemMeta.setLore(lore);
}
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Would this work?

pulsar wigeon
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is it mutable

austere ivy
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I think so.

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Ye.

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It's a builder class, so lore can optionally be set to something.

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For some reason, coloring doesn't seem to be working.

finite wave
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Idiot

limber knotBOT
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uh, what does TextUtils#color even do?

finite wave
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So, he uses foreach

limber knotBOT
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also Strings are not objects

finite wave
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And he does not know strings are immutable

pulsar wigeon
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foreach isn't setting back to the original list

limber knotBOT
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or well, not mutable objects

pulsar wigeon
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ROFL

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i literally asked if it's mutable

austere ivy
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First time using forEach, didn't think it'd work anyway.

finite wave
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Use replaceAll

pulsar wigeon
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wat

limber knotBOT
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forEach is basically just for(x : list)...

pulsar wigeon
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lore = lore.stream().map(TextUtils::color).collect(Collectors.toList())

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dumbos

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oh

limber knotBOT
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uh, replaceAll is pretty cool

pulsar wigeon
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there's a replace with operator

limber knotBOT
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TIL

pulsar wigeon
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thought you meant string#replace

finite wave
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Nahnah

pulsar wigeon
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not list#replace

finite wave
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I’m not a morob

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Moron

pulsar wigeon
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well

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you are but that's a different matter

austere ivy
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Thanks jan, I appreciate it.

finite wave
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lore.replaceAll(TextUtils::color);

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Rude Wizjany

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:pogchamp: it compiled

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will it pass tests

pulsar wigeon
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1.14 compiled?

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amazing

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thought i'd never see the day

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poggers it passed

wide chasm
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Nice

pulsar wigeon
unreal quarry
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@austere ivy lore is chat components now. Legacy colors won't work anymore

static badge
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will it startup is a totally different question though

limber knotBOT
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@unreal quarry they will with the Bukkit API

pulsar wigeon
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legacy colors will probably still work

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lol

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bukkit translates everything for you if it needs to be

wide chasm
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In my plugin they work and I use legacy colors, so...

austere ivy
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Worked since forever for me..

finite wave
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@unreal quarry He might be using 1.8

austere ivy
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This is 1.12

finite wave
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^^

unreal quarry
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1.14 client won't remder them anymore unless they are json

austere ivy
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Really?

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Huh.

pulsar wigeon
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sounds like a 1.14 issue :^)

limber knotBOT
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nobody cares about the client

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this is the server, lol

austere ivy
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Again shows that some parts of Bukkit is.. odd

wide chasm
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My plugin works in 1.14 with lores with legacy colors?

pulsar wigeon
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yea tbh bukkit doesn't have a component api

limber knotBOT
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of course it does, Bukkit translatetes it internally

finite wave
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Prolly translated.^

limber knotBOT
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*craftbukkit

pulsar wigeon
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so it should still accept colors everywhere

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and translate when needed

wide chasm
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Well, that's a relief

unreal quarry
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Inventory titles we're effected too

wide chasm
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Don't have to change everything

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I can push so whoever said gh down is retarded or it's just them

pulsar wigeon
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unless md decides to pull the plug

finite wave
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Who knows

austere ivy
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Just me, Leaf.

limber knotBOT
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really doubt he's going to break lots of plugins after all the work that went into making pre-1.13 ones work on 1.13 xD

unreal quarry
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It's not a server change it's a client change

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Legacy colors have been deprecated forever

wide chasm
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I might make it so current stuff is internally translated to components, as to not let it break when it's removed from Bukkit/CraftBukkit

pulsar wigeon
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yes billy. that makes it irrelevant to the current discussion

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not saying you're wrong, it just doesn't affect brian's code

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since he's using the bukkit api, where chat colors aren't gone

austere ivy
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I think that they should be gone.

pulsar wigeon
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bukkit still doesn't have a component api tbh

austere ivy
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The longer it's supported, the more people get used to it.

pulsar wigeon
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spigot has bungee's hacked in

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but uh

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server crashed on startup lul

pulsar wigeon
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:^)

austere ivy
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nice Lef

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so did it pass the tests, Lef?

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I told ya starting up is a different beast

austere ivy
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I think it's ready for release, what do you think?

wide chasm
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Main point I'm struggling with is that it'd be really obnoxious for people to specify all text as components. Not to mention difficult to read, whereas the normal &color stuff is much easier and more readable.

static badge
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pfft it crashed on my change

austere ivy
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Make your own ChatBuilder class.

finite wave
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No

austere ivy
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Making ItemStacks are a pain, so people make ItemBuilders.

finite wave
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No

limber knotBOT
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runs

austere ivy
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And working with deprecated ChatColors are also a pain which is why we have translateAlternateColorCodes, yeah?

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

ornate spindle
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anyone know why spigot removed chunks-per-tick in 1.9?

wide chasm
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I already have an ItemBuilder and a MessageManager, so I guess I could add something to either of those.

finite wave
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@austere ivy No?

pulsar wigeon
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gross, requires spigot

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makes it unusable phoenix616

austere ivy
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Jan, do you not make ItemBuilders?

finite wave
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If i have to make a lot of items surr

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One or two nah

limber knotBOT
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@w​iz​ja​ny​ nobody sane runs craftbukkit

unreal quarry
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I'm just saying... It's been reported a number of times about inv titles and lore not displaying color and last I checked was "wontfix - use components"

austere ivy
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The way you make items with new ItemStack is kind of a pain, that's why I think everyone has something along the lines of new ItemBuilder(Material.DIRT).name("Hello").build(); or something.

pulsar wigeon
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i didn't even say craftbukkit

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(though uh, plenty of sane-ish people do run craftbukkit)

finite wave
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@austere ivy And that’s not a pain?

wide chasm
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I currently only use my ItemBuilder for items which are meant to be clicked with, since I have ItemBuilder#setClickEvent(Consumer<PlayerInteractEvent>)

pulsar wigeon
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i mean, as sane as kashike may be anyway

limber knotBOT
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oh, I see, you are trying to bring up the whole "paper doesn't support spigot plugins"-thing

austere ivy
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What would be the LEAST pain anyway?

pulsar wigeon
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no i'm not phoenix

finite wave
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Don’t code Brian

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Least pain

pulsar wigeon
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you're completely missing forge and sponge and whatever else :^)

austere ivy
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In a perfect world, what would you theoretically use to make an ItemStack anyway?

limber knotBOT
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it's not my fault that Bukkit doesn't have chat components ¯_(ツ)_/¯

austere ivy
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You have to supply the data somehow.

limber knotBOT
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I really don't care about fringe APIs tbh

pulsar wigeon
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forge

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fringe API

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LUL

finite wave
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Brian trying to think

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Shh everyone

austere ivy
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Builders work best for that (in my opinion) because it's very easy to have optional parameters, rather than overloading a bunch.

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_>

limber knotBOT
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s/fring APIs/APIs I don't use

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meh

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w/e

pulsar wigeon
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derp

wide chasm
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Yeah, I think Builders are the best way as well

austere ivy
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Do whatever, I'm just saying I think we should have a good underlying ChatComponent API rather than translating everything and having a ton of different ways to do things

limber knotBOT
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basically: PR or shutup :P

unreal quarry
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There's no bukkit chat component API because no one can agree on how to implement one

limber knotBOT
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(I might move that over to kaishke's text library though when I feel like it ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

austere ivy
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Where's that at, Phoenix?

golden gust
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md's stated that he won't bring bungees API over to CB because he doesn't want another ChatColor in bukkit

limber knotBOT
austere ivy
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Oh, that?

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more dependencies <o/

limber knotBOT
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the thing is that that would increase the amount of stuff that needs to be shaded into plugins :S

golden gust
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Given that you can't really cleanly implement a component based API while maintaining the legacy one properly, I can't see it working too well without everything conflicting

austere ivy
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Stop maintaining the legacy.

golden gust
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That's not really under our control

austere ivy
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I understand it'll be a big deal but at some point, either with 1.14 or 1.15, possibly 1.16, we just have to drop the legacy and deprecated ChatColor.

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I know.. but..

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It's just creating more of a spaghetti mess that's worse for the end user, and worse for the maintainers.

golden gust
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ChatColor itself ain't the issue

tropic flame
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hold on what was deprecated?

austere ivy
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APIs should be really intuitive to use, in my opinion, and, again, in my opinion, it's not very intuitive where you can make something yellow by using § and ChatColor and ChatComponents and all these things. I don't know.

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I don't actually know any of the code that's in the API, I'm just speaking as an end user who uses this stuff.

golden gust
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The fix is to get rid of all the string based stuff

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But then you break pretty much 99% of plugins

austere ivy
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Yeah but those plugins are going to have to be updated anyway, right?

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Plugins are going to break in a new update anyway.

tropic flame
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uh idk if this is related but tbh until very recently I've always just used .replace(&,§) in the end of any string that I wanted to use colors

finite wave
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Brian everyone likes diggerent things

quasi valley
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but that's virtually every plugin having text in configs

austere ivy
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Yeah I know.

finite wave
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@tropic flame Lol

pulsar wigeon
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i mean, configs is a different matter too

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users can't create text component objects in config

tropic flame
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@finite wave I mean, why go through the Javadocs and google when I already know this beautiful java way of doing it? /s

pulsar wigeon
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you either have syntax like &, or make the user type raw json

quasi valley
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mostly the &'s, yeah

finite wave
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Raw json ftw

tropic flame
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ew json

merry talon
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isn't .replace(&,§ literally what translateAlternateColorCodes does

unreal quarry
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Imho, Mojang made a bad move moving to json for text. There was nothing wrong with the old system

quasi valley
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that method also checks if there's actually an applicaple character following that

unreal quarry
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Hovers is what screwed us over

austere ivy
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It goes to show that JUST to make text yellow, you can use "&eHello!".replace(&, §);, translateAlternateColorCodes(&, "&eHello!");, {"text":"Hello!","color":"yellow"}, new TextComponent("Hello!").setColor(ChatColor.YELLOW);, ChatColor.YELLOW + "Hello!"

golden gust
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Your first two options are literally the same thing

unreal quarry
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That first one is wrong

austere ivy
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But still works. And @tropic flame just said that's what he uses

golden gust
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translate... is just a lot more correct in behavior

unreal quarry
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First one will break "Billy & Brian's Shop"

static badge
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is brian baiting everyone again part 15

austere ivy
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I'm being serious. This is silly.

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There's so many ways to do the same thing and it's a pain.

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At some point there has to be one unified system to make everything good.

quasi valley
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either way you are insane if you use method 1 or 3, so that leaves you with 2 other methods :p

austere ivy
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Kenny.

golden gust
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You either use the component API or the legacy strings

austere ivy
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People use that

unreal quarry
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I'm being serious, too.. don't ever use replace like that

quasi valley
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^

austere ivy
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@tropic flame just said that

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Scroll up, he said he uses that

golden gust
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And just because people use method 1 doesn't make it correct at all

quasi valley
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he said he used to

merry talon
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doesn't mean he should

golden gust
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The API provides a method for doing that properly

austere ivy
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"uh idk if this is related but tbh until very recently I've always just used .replace(&,§) in the end of any string that I wanted to use colors"

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from Logics4

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"until very recently"

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And it still works, too.

golden gust
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"works"

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It's broken logic

quasi valley
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it's wrong no matter how you put it

austere ivy
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Makes the text yellow.

unreal quarry
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It breaks string with &

golden gust
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it will work in 99% of the time

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But it will break users text when they use &

unreal quarry
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^

austere ivy
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Yeah yeah, I know, these are just examples.

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Of how insanely silly all this is.

quasi valley
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wrong ones 👀

tropic flame
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I mean, I used to use it for messages.yml strings

golden gust
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Nowhere in the documentation does it say to do that

quasi valley
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if it's wrong you can't count it as "there's so many ways of doing it"

golden gust
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You're blaming the API for "I didn't read the docs"

austere ivy
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I'm just pointing out what logics said he used

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Not documents or anything like that lol

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That's a bad bad way to do it, yeah

tropic flame
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wow I feel important rn

austere ivy
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You are :D

tropic flame
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thanks

quasi valley
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because it's wrong

golden gust
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"it's the APIs fault that I can use .replace on a string and badly mimic api behavior"

austere ivy
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alright, you're right then.

golden gust
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You have two options: use legacy strings, or use the component API

merry talon
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@quasi valley lol where'd you find that

austere ivy
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just saying it could be better

golden gust
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legacy strings should be obliterated, but it's pretty hard to break API which hasn't been updated in years

quasi valley
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in 2017 code of my "mentor" @merry talon haha

merry talon
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nice

quasi valley
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just looked at it a bit today and found that gem

austere ivy
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I think the largest thing is how Minecraft has §

merry talon
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r/badcode

austere ivy
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both § and json

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it's kinda strange but whatever

golden gust
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That's a CB thing iirc

austere ivy
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And then it's strange how you can only use § in books, but

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nope

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in vanilla mc, you can use § in books, color codes.

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but not § in chat or signs

quasi valley
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though that makes your client crash in 1.14 👀

tropic flame
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I was never able to use § on books

golden gust
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There are still some areas that use that, but pretty sure mojang doesn't use them for actual chat now

austere ivy
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Yeah they use json

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Mojang really likes them some json

unreal quarry
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They switched to json for hover/click text

tropic flame
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at least it's not HOCON

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runs

merry talon
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hey what's wrong with that

austere ivy
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Billy they use json for everything

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/tellraw @a {"text":"Hello!","color":"yellow"}

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that's how you show yellow text in vanilla

unreal quarry
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Everything that supports hover/click text, yes

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Books don't have that yet, afaik. But I think will (if they don't already)

austere ivy
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What doesn't?

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Oh.

unreal quarry
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Even signs have it for clickable text to run commands

austere ivy
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Explains why they're the only ones that can use §

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Yeah

unreal quarry
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I do think it's weird inv titles and item lores are json now. Makes me wonder if they plan to make those support hover/click/command events too soon

austere ivy
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👀

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:hypereyes:

golden gust
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team stuff uses components now too

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They're pretty much just moving over to it in general so it seems

unreal quarry
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Inb4 lore already handles hover/click events, just no one knows because no one can get their mouse on it

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mfw

south gate
void void
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Good night 😉

tropic flame
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my routine when installing programs:
1 - install program
2 - find options
3 - disable hardware acceleration

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I just need a universal script to do this automatically l o l

finite wave
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Why

hasty onyx
upper flicker
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Demageable

golden gust
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lol

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This typing thing is hard

finite wave
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Hmm?

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Oh i see

cosmic raft
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@pulsar wigeon text adapters are in central just like everything else

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sonatype -> central synch time varies

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can be 5 minutes or an hour, etc

pulsar wigeon
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

static badge
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submit a pr kappa

pulsar wigeon
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i don't publish on central

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so idk

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enginehub's artifactory has artifacts seconds after the build finishes :P

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either way, everything works now

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thanks for updating

cosmic raft
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Except you need to specify the repo for that. Central is default on everything :P

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I also don't have to self host anything, which means if I don't pay something things don't disappear

pulsar wigeon
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i don't think our repo has ever stopped anyone from using our api tbh :P

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of all things

cosmic raft
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No, but it does require people to specify it to use dependencies from it, which is one thing I wanted to avoid for releases

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Snapshots require defining the OSS repo

pulsar wigeon
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mhm

vital fox
patent quarry
wild reef
nocturne sedge
tropic flame
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@finite wave because my computer sucks

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and in my case disabling it makes things go faster

vital glacier
wide hazel
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Apparently a transformer in our alley blew and the houses nearby lost power

cosmic raft
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nice

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wide hazel
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Thank fuck I had the foresight to add a few UPSes to ours

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Still got a network, Plex, etc for most of the rest of the night

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My desktop PC isn't quite as lucky. Got a bigger battery for it, but being an 8-core with SSDs and an RTX 2080 Ti on Windows doesn't help

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Might last an hour or so

stiff yarrow
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that is super foresight egg

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well were you running servers and stuff Thonk

wide hazel
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Lived in a house with constant brown-outs for years

stiff yarrow
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Ahhh

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makes sense

wide hazel
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I know the pain

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I run a Plex and 16Tb of NAS

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TB

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Aside from a full Unifi network setup, that's it

stiff yarrow
austere ivy
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ethernet > unifi

pulsar wigeon
stiff yarrow
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oof

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bro forget about the brackets

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what a weird way to code that

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if () {//empty btw haha} else //actual thing you wanted

exotic panther
noble cargo
bold zephyr
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wonder if there've ever seen an exclamation mark

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well i mean clearly they have, !=, but still

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actually wait fuck that

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they could of just == null

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lmfao

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(literally typed as i read it and bothered to process what i was reading)

dreamy herald
dim hamlet
limber knotBOT
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What's the eta on a 1.14 paper server?

austere ivy
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Oh they have something that tells you!

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Simply type .eta with no other words and it’ll say the latest ETA.

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Try it!

limber knotBOT
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.eta

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Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

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Players are asking and I don't know what to tell them.

golden gust
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1.14 vanilla is broken to the point that nobody should even be running 1.14

unreal quarry
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mfw i'm ctrl+clicking directories and my mouse accidentally moves too much so everything copies into duplicates :S

golden gust
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It's a work in progress, we're not going to commit to some "it'll be production ready by X" when not even upstream is or will be until .1

limber knotBOT
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So we are waiting on Mojang?

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or spigot?

bold zephyr
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both

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mojang, spigot, and paper

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is what you're waiting on

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mojang to fix their shit
spigot to update to the fixed shit
and paper to catch up to md_5

unreal quarry
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what he's saying is 1.14 is broken. no one should be running it on their main server. vanilla is broken. spigot is broken. paper is going to be just as broken

bold zephyr
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its like a race -- except mojang and md_5 both had a 10 mile headstart, fell into a ditch, and papers catching up atm

limber knotBOT
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So just wait?

golden gust
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Wait until at least .1

unreal quarry
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1.14 is only good for experimenting/development. it wont be ready for real servers until 1.14.1, so wait for that version ^_^

bold zephyr
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even then im afraid to update any plugin using NMS because im fairly sure a lot of nms will change due to the nature of .1

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but i also dont know what was broken to begin with so maybe the NMS i'd use stays static.

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seems unlikely

limber knotBOT
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Players are tired of waiting and I don't know what to tell them.

bold zephyr
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tell them to go to mojang with pitchforks

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or play singleplayer

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you can tell them to wait :>

unreal quarry
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you know why NMS changes between versions? think of a stack of 10 boxes. label each box A through J. now, imagine other people using those boxes according to those labels. Later, you decide to update, but you have to put a new box in between boxes B and C. Well, you just shifted all the labels C-J into D-K. 11 boxes now, A-K. anyone that uses box G, for example, now has to start using box H even though G didnt change at all.

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this is NMS, but on a much larger scale

bold zephyr
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yeah i understand that since the methods are auto named by the decompiler

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my concern of nms changes is because im unsure if mojang will touch the nms that ill need

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specifically for movecraft & cs-corelib

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then again last i checked, someone else was already working on updating movecraft to 1.14.0 so lol\

unreal quarry
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oh, then theres also people like md_5 that like to just go in and replace labels A-K at random times with more meaningful names. which in turns breaks usage for anyone using them forcing unneeded updates across the board :S

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he did that 5 times with 1.13.2

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lol

golden gust
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or the tumes when he unmaps something 😦

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*times

unreal quarry
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lol

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fun times

bold zephyr
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yet he still doesnt want to break the api

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and make it better

unreal quarry
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api is the forbidden lands. no one can touch those

bold zephyr
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unsure if sarcasm or serious

unreal quarry
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serious. you can add to it, but you cant break whats there

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its sacred grounds

bold zephyr
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because of copyrights and legalities?

unreal quarry
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no, because he just wants it that way

bold zephyr
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oh lol i thought you mean it was impossible to do

unreal quarry
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i dont agree with it

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a lot of people dont

bold zephyr
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i dont

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i think api breaks would be good as long as its replaced and better

unreal quarry
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^ ding

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i like APIs that are versioned, tbh

pulsar wigeon
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huh?

left yacht
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hey look it compiled, yay. progress!

pulsar wigeon
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did you not see the api breaks in 1.14?

left yacht
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that's one step towards it actually working.

unreal quarry
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like, when you use an API you specify a minimum and a maximum API version its compatible with

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this way the API doesnt have to support 30 years of implementations. it is free to update in breaking ways whenever it wants/needs

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when i make android apps its like that. i like it a lot

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sponge is very close to that, from what i've seen

austere ivy
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lol am playing on 1.14

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crashes every 5 seconds also client performance is awful, am currently downscaling to 1024x640

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it's awful lol

unreal quarry
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i thought client performance was great

austere ivy
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I implore you all server owners switch to 1.14

unreal quarry
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didnt like the rendering glitches with chunks, though

left yacht
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client performance was fine for me.

austere ivy
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pfft you with your 2000$ pcs

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I have a 9 year old laptop

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I can run 1.12.2 just fine so shhhhh

left yacht
#

if you want I'll pull out my 20 year old dell

#

with a pentium 4

unreal quarry
#

1.12 -> 400 fps. 1.13 -> 800 fps. 1.14 -> 1400 fps

#

nothing but improvements from what i've seen

austere ivy
#

1.12 -> 120 fps 1.14 -> 12 fps

static badge
#

pentium 4 huh

left yacht
#

1.12.2 was the peak for me performance wise.

austere ivy
#

straight up tenthed it for me.

static badge
#

.g pentium 4 5ghz

limber knotBOT
static badge
#

every time

unreal quarry
#

lol

left yacht
#

1.13 was a slight downgrade, 1.14 was back to 1.12.2

#

but no optifine

#

so reeeee

austere ivy
#

I'm in optifne discord, apparently they're mainly waiting on MCP

#

might've updated recently though

left yacht
#

they always wait on MCP

#

so I don't harass them about it

#

but I know people do lol

unreal quarry
#

mcp is a bit away.. most of it is still unmapped :S

austere ivy
#

They do, lol.

left yacht
#

it's always like a month or something.

#

For most of 1.13.2 I didn't use optifine.

#

because I forgot to check on it after awhile.

static badge
#

ugh waiting on mcp would be worth it though

unreal quarry
#

fun fact: if you're clever, you can find mcp 1.14 now. its in public space ^_^

cosmic raft
#

we're working on it leaf, hold onto your pants

static badge
#

I'm saying it is worth it kash :>

unreal quarry
#

leafs dont wear pants, kashike

#

look at his avatar

#

lol

static badge
cosmic raft
#

smart leafs do

left yacht
#

@unreal quarry you see I know my way around google.

#

and it wasn't that hard to find

#

ok that was cancer to look at, back to reddit I go.

austere ivy
#

superior

finite wave
#

Reminds me of snowman code

austere ivy
#

:(

#

this is too real

#

also how do I get those blue github commits 👀

unreal quarry
#

snowman is MCP applied to vanilla ^_^

#

❤ me some snowman

austere ivy
#

as you can see I have short bursts of energy

finite wave
#

I’m so active

unreal quarry
#

i'm seasonal i guess

#

lol

finite wave
#

Nicr

fallen oracle
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
#

(DiscordBot) The new Windows Terminal - length 45s - 1,320 likes, 36 dislikes (97.3%) - 19,745 views - Windows Developer on 2019.05.06

austere ivy
#

Glare, you are very consistent!

#

Very good glare, I'm proud.

fallen oracle
#

Lol

austere ivy
#

Also yes, a trailer for a new terminal.

#

Very cool, Windows.

#

Seems interesting.

bold zephyr
#

is that a package manager

austere ivy
#

.. Ubuntu? Can you..

#

Is that?

#

I'm confused.

unreal quarry
#

omg, i just learned there was a starbucks cup left on scene in GoT last night

austere ivy
#

yeah lol

finite wave
#

Tbh that looks just as bad as always

#

But now in rainbow colors

bold zephyr
#

pretty sure it already allows coloring

finite wave
#

Not transparent i think

bold zephyr
finite wave
#

Oh it fors

#

Does

bold zephyr
#

yeah windows10 cmd prompt is pretty customizable

finite wave
#

Well just the default terminal then

golden gust
#

I mean, it's nice that they're doing stuff to encourage developers to stick/come back

#

But eeeehhh

bold zephyr
#

what are they

finite wave
#

It’s so ugly

bold zephyr
#

uhhhh

#

30 years too late?

finite wave
#

Ugly as fuck man

golden gust
#

I mean, they're actually trying to care about developers more instead of just "this is windows, use windows things!'

bold zephyr
#

they even linked a github repo

#

in the yt video

cosmic raft
#

this is a dumb statement

#

MCP is vanilla

tiny meadow
kindred flower
bold zephyr
#

pebblehost support chat just... i dont really know about some of these people.

#

that question was after someone told him 1.14 is unstable and wait for 1.14.1

nova badge
#

Since others were bragging

paper prism
orchid pelican
#

I love windows but I wish they would make the Linux environment parse the dumb dos returns into Linux ones

#

With the Linux layer

void void
#

colortool can set the colors, much nicer than screwing with the properties window

austere ivy
#

How's this looking, folks

#

also lol, yes don't add buildtools it will lag

pulsar wigeon
#

looks pretty shit tbh

#

2k on a pc seems like a waste

void void
#

pretty pricey, what do you do for work brian?

pulsar wigeon
#

i didn't look at the parts, but in general if you're spending that much you're probably not getting good value

austere ivy
#

huh?

#

oh this is just dream building lol

#

also keep in mind I also got keyboard + mouse + 2 monitors

#

so that's not just the pc

void void
#

:>

left yacht
#

what the fuck that trailer

#

just glanced at this chat and saw it

bold zephyr
#

you can get the 212 evo for like $20

#

also that case definitely does not support that cpu cooler

#

actually wait it does

#

i misremembered

#

lol

austere ivy
#

lol

bold zephyr
#

the 212 evo

austere ivy
#

hyper 212 less loud

bold zephyr
#

my finger is on the side of the case

austere ivy
#

and is fully black

bold zephyr
#

?

#

theres no sound to begin with?

austere ivy
#

what

#

is your fan correctly hooked up

bold zephyr
#

yes

austere ivy
#

or is the fan just really silent

bold zephyr
#

its silent?

#

its a fan?

austere ivy
#

pcpartpiker says it's quieter.

bold zephyr
#

loool

austere ivy
#

also looks cooler :D

#

dream build again, not practical

valid wigeon
#

[Paper:ver/1.14-pre5] 4 new commits
e9439e7 It compiles - Spottedleaf

That looks promising

queen rapids
#

ur mom compiles

bold zephyr
#

you should build for functionality

#

not looks

austere ivy
#

well it's quieter

bold zephyr
#

unless you're a dog you will not notice

austere ivy
#

also for 10 dollars more it's a /shrug

#

I mainly like black so that case and that motherboard mmm

#

if I was actually buying a PC I'd probably definitely start with RAM.

#

16gb rather than 32gb

#

eh

#

dunno

pulsar wigeon
austere ivy
#

you know what's sad

#

instead of paying 2000$ for this macbook in 2010

#

we could've paid 2000$ for about that computer (maybe minus peripherals)

#

rip

static badge
#

why do you think macs are trash

void void
#

weren't you telling me how great macs are a week ago

static badge
#

brian baits pretty well

austere ivy
#

this mac is bad

void void
#

upgrade to ddr

#

4

austere ivy
#

prplz

static badge
#

also if you spent that in 2010 it'd still shit today

austere ivy
#

I'm saying

#

that

void void
#

32GB is pretty cheap these days

austere ivy
#

let's see here

#

if only when I was.. 2010 was 9 years ago.. so..

#

if only I was 6-7, I could warn my parents to "not buy this computer!" yet and save it for now :)

void void
#

if only

bold zephyr
#

i legitimately give up

#

-> how much space will dynmap take for x, y, z
=> no clue
-> what do u mean no clue???

austere ivy
#

Wait

#

he said a 1.53 world render

#

"How many GB will a 1.53GB file take?"

#

"1.53"

#

"oh thanks!"

bold zephyr
#

well

#

i assume the world itself is 1.53GB

#

in which case the dynmap render wont be 1.53GB

#

should be smaller

#

but how the fuck should i be able to estimate it

rugged flint
torpid flicker
lavish finch
limber knotBOT
static badge
#

you're testing paper 1.14?

limber knotBOT
#

yes

static badge
#

how up to date are you

#

my latest commit?

limber knotBOT
#

yes, bc024aec

static badge
#

I can't say I'm surprised it's broken

#

well I have concrete to update first then I'll see if there's a fix for that

limber knotBOT
#

yes its no problem, i just wanted to report it

#

i'm currently just experimenting with it

wooden lake
void void
#

me: dies

#

me: runs horizontally before disappearing into the void

wide hazel
#

why not both wireless AND wired?

void void
#

im missing context

wide hazel
#

he said "wired > unifi"

#

this IS unifi

#

does both

void void
#

no idea what unifi is

wide hazel
void void
#

but yes wired+wireless is gud

#

is it some sort of router brand or smth

wide hazel
void void
#

ah ok

#

i just have a basic router/ap and a modem i bought, plus a few switches but not same brand and i use dd-wrt

wide hazel
#

USG = router + firewall, switch and AP are obvious. I got Pro for Gbit speeds

void void
#

my home network is a hodgepodge but it works

wide hazel
#

I finally spent some real money on mine. Is nice

#

I can completely control it remotely

#

from web

void void
#

that sounds safe

wide hazel
#

safer than you'd think

void void
#

i mean, how are you accessing it? with your own home static IP? or thru some sort of service?

wide hazel
#

automatic band steering on the APs is amazing as well, plus 802.11k support

void void
#

thats nice

wide hazel
void void
#

interesting

wide hazel
#

same web interface I get accessing 10.0.0.2, just remote

placid thicket
#

so anybody got 1.14.1 info? best i can find is Dinnerbone saying the rest of the team is working on it while he is OOO

void void
#

.eta

limber knotBOT
#

Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

void void
#

.kill @placid thicket

limber knotBOT
#

rips @flanigomik's intestines and uses them as a skipping rope.

placid thicket
#

was refering to vanilla

void void
#

yes i know

wide hazel
void void
#

bruh i have that exact computer case im pretty sure

wide hazel
#

the network 😛

void void
#

looks noice

wide hazel
#

'tis pretty. And blu.

placid thicket
#

it was supposed to be friday/beginning of this week, which probably actually means after wednesday

void void
#

it'll be ready when it's ready

#

🤷

wide hazel
#

poor little network cabinet is getting full 😦

#

I still need another fan on bottom

#

and a 2U UPS

void void
#

gonna need a whole mdf room soon

wide hazel
#

little Cyberpower on top can only power the network for so long

#

I want daaaayyyysss

#

actually I miscalculated the power draw on the network because I added the NAS and fan system

#

chopped it down from hours to about 45 mins

#

hence the 2U UPS solution

#

might have to go on the floor below the rack though

#

not ideal, but..

#

that power cut to the NAS earlier today scared me. Had to re-scan the array

#

thankfully no data loss

#

totally forgot about how much power those disks draw :/

#

and the fans, too, holy shit! Didn't expect that

queen rapids
#

i got gig internet as well egg, but im pulling like 500mb with an ethernet cord and about 300mb over wifi. any recommendations?

wide hazel
#

I replaced the network with Unifi, been pulling 900 up and down since. Try an Edgerouter X first.

#

I went overboard

#

ERX is like $40 USD

void void
#

i dont know enough about networking to give any proper recs but i do know that modems have speed caps just bc the hardware, so if you dont buy a gig modem you will not be getting the speeds you paid for

wide hazel
#

^

#

ERX is still Ubiquiti, just a different line

#

Gbit

queen rapids
#

its the isp's router

void void
#

not router, modem

golden gust
#

'nuff said

queen rapids
#

modem

#

ok

void void
#

unless you got that stupid mix thing

#

which is a bad idea

queen rapids
#

its two in one i think

#

its just one tower

#

thingy

void void
#

yeh i would go and buy a gig modem and a router like egg said

#

the edgerouter thing

golden gust
#

mix thing wouldn't be bad if it wasn't for ISPs usually going for cheap/crappy hardware

void void
#

ye

wide hazel
#

Replace it with an ERX, watch your network either keel over because you have no idea how to configure a firewall or pull 900 down because you eventually figured it out. Or both.

#

Speaking from experience

#

Unifi is infinity easier to configure, just expensive

queen rapids
#

i just looked it up, this thing is 300 dollars

#

this modem router combo

#

how is this not pulling a gig

wide hazel
#

Many reasons. Easiest is misconfig

#

Also possible it's just price-hiked

#

ERX, $40

gloomy sphinx
wide hazel
#

Kash has one. Aikar might, I think

#

Can't remember

cosmic raft
#

I've got an ER-X-SFP

wide hazel
#

Right, SFP model

#

Similar

cosmic raft
queen rapids
#

On desktop PCs cabled to the router, I've measured speeds in excess of 1100mbps up, and 860mbps down.

#

hmm

wide hazel
#

It's an excellent system

#

Lets you shoot yourself in the foot until you learn

#

Or bleed out

void void
#

daydreams while bleeding out about a working network

#

ahhh, bliss

#

dont do it cat

golden gust
#

😼

void void
#

me: looks at vase
me: looks at cat

#

DONT FUCKING DO IT

golden gust
#

Nice vase you got there bud

#

Be a shame, ya' know

void void
#

dont do it

cosmic raft
#

did someone say... bliss?

void void
#

GAWD DAMN IT

#

@cosmic raft++

cosmic raft
#

:3

#

it's a high-quality version too

#

open it in browser

void void
#

i still didnt mail your cards cuz i woke up at 6 fucking pm

cosmic raft
#

:<

void void
#

wow that pic is beautiful

golden gust
#

one day kash, one day

cosmic raft
#

hey ec

#

send me a postcard from the UK

void void
#

yeah when i get out of my depression slump

#

ill send it

wide hazel
#

I want a postcard from the UK :(

void void
#

u want a postcard from china

wide hazel
#

Mm, actually, maybe I'll be able to travel there in the next year or so

#

That would be awesome

#

We'll see

void void
#

just send me your address if you do, ill be sending some to kash when i get outside....maybe tomorrow if we're lucky but we'll see

limber knotBOT
#

.remind 9h @void void mai!!!

#

kashike: Reminder set for 9 hours from now.

void void
#

idk if ill be able to sleep seeing as i woke up 3 hours ago and night

wide hazel
#

Good bot

void void
#

D:

#

jeebuz i dont remember how far i got on this stupid code and where i left off

#

#vacationproblems

golden gust
#

You was about to just delete it all

void void
#

oh good point

golden gust
#

Like, HDD in the microwave "delete it all"

void void
#

well it's a macbook so i guess, put whole machine in there?

golden gust
#

👍

void void
golden gust
limber knotBOT
#

(DiscordBot) The Simpsons- A Walk In Microwave - length 9s - 2 likes, 0 dislikes (100.0%) - 157 views - Super Speedrunner 64 on 2018.12.14

void void
#

nah but i am gonna delete all this cross platform db stuff, i need to rethink that assery. Right now I have an operations interface with all the stuff, and then 6 implementations for different drivers (h2, sqlite, mysql, mariadb, postgres, sqlserver) but SadCowboy this ain't maintainable y'all

#

i need a jdbc layer that lets me support many rdbms

#

😠

#

help

wide hazel
#

If you find one, let me know

void void
#

jOOQ...but codegen

austere ivy
#

did someone mention

#

@wide hazel watch out

#

all those wifi waves from everywhere might give you autism

#

I'm not kidding some people think that too much wifi gives people autism

#

I've seen too much facebook

#

don't go there

void void
#

clearly they havent heard of...hmm...idk...

#

RADIO

austere ivy
#

gasp

#

WHERE'S OUR TINFOIL TO BLOCK THE WAVES

#

aaaaaAAAAAAAAA

#

screams in essential oils

void void
#

screams in retard *

peak dirge
void void
#

Multiple countries have RQZs

#

me: feeds ethernet wire from just outside rqz to home deep inside rqz

#

im safe

cosmic raft
#

waoh

valid wigeon
#

sets up radio transmitter inside to only play Taylor Swift songs 24/7

cosmic raft
#

first episode was great

finite wave
#

Hey can’t we make an more communistic way to handle Paper code

olive garden
#

@cosmic raft It has 6 ratings on IMDB lol

#

Even Path of Blood has 400

#

or I might have gotten the wrong series lol

#

yeah, it was the wrong series, the correct one has 120 ratings

#

thanks though, I might watch it

cosmic raft
#

@olive garden yeah, first episode released today. will definitely be watching the rest as they come out

void void
#

another thing about the chernobyl disaster

#

aight

finite wave
#

Seen the scorpion episode on it? It was super weird

void void
#

nah

#

i love people who show up in here just for the updates lmao

finite wave
#

I’ve always been here what u shitting about

worn ember
#

Oof

#

@finite wave is he bullying you?

finite wave
#

I don’t think it was hinting at me, but i had to do it anyway you know. Start that drama

gloomy sphinx
hard lake
#

And you try to connect

merry talon
#

trying to go through and secure all my old accounts, I've ran into multiple that won't even let me change my password without reactivating my account by paying their stupid minimum top up

oblique portal
heavy rapids
#

what accounts, mojang accs? thonk

merry talon
#

no

#

random sites

heavy rapids
#

there are websites that require you to pay for changing your password? ._.

merry talon
#

apparently

heavy rapids
#

Congratulations! Your Lost Faith In Humanity stat leveled up!

#

I hope mojang will put chisels&bits into vanilla 1.15.

#

I love that mod.

limber knotBOT
#

why would they?

merry talon
#

I can't believe how shitty some of these services are about account security

#

This site doesn't even have a change password option

#

nor a delete account option

heavy rapids
#

minidigger don't destroy my dreams D:

#

that's cruel

merry talon
#

and it's an email forwarding service I use for my PayPal account

void void
#

is this 1.14 or smth

#

oh

#

i was hella scrolled

#

fucks sake

native thunder
#

Have a cookie

void void
#

i will but am also gonna shit all over discord for its lack of autoscrolling at inopportune moments

merry talon
#

absolutely no way to submit a ticket to MSI without having a product registered on my account

#

because their delete account function is completely broken

#

this isn't that hard

void void
#

call them

merry talon
#

It's 4:35 AM

void void
#

call them

#

wake up the CEO

split lynx
#

How did papermc require the discord server verification badge?

void void
#

they asked nicely

split lynx
#

o_O

void void
#

It's that.

split lynx
#

ooo

#

Thanks for the info.

void void
#

np

cosmic raft
#

this isn't a partnered guild

#

this is a verified guild

void void
#

i hate stupid terminology, i thought they were one in the same

cosmic raft
#

nope

#

also

#

heh

native thunder
void void
split lynx
#

I see.

void void
#

@cosmic raft exactly which of these does paper fall under

cosmic raft
#

they let people through that all the time :P

void void
#

lmao

#

fucking discord

whole lion
void void
#

i miss playing mc for fun like building bases and sh it

cunning marlin
void void
merry talon
#

paypal support is abysmal

#

I ask a simple yes or no question

#

they send the same canned response

void void
#

to be fair thats most level 1 tech support

merry talon
#

I've never seen it this bad

gloomy sphinx
#

yeah paypal is bad

#

my css skills have improved over the past day or two

merry talon
#

"Can I have the same verified information on two accounts? If not, I'm unable to resolve the limitation"

#

"We need information from you to remove the limitation"

gloomy sphinx
#

lol

#

why do you need two accounts

#

and no you can only have one

#

one business and one personal/premier

#

if you have two personal/premier they will fuck you

merry talon
#

I want to close my old account

gloomy sphinx
#

big indian thumb up the ass

#

ah

#

yes

merry talon
#

which I can't because it's limited

gloomy sphinx
#

oh

#

then yeah

#

you have to get it fixed

#

before you can do that

merry talon
#

how am I supposed to do that though

gloomy sphinx
#

it will say

#

what you have to do

merry talon
#

right, they need my info

gloomy sphinx
#

;yes

merry talon
#

but my info is already tied to my new account

#

so they reject it

gloomy sphinx
#

oooh

#

so you already have a second account

merry talon
#

yeah

gloomy sphinx
#

ok what i would do is call them over the phone and explain the situation

#

ive deal with paypal over the past 10 years extensively

merry talon
#

Yeah I'll have to do that

#

so annoying

gloomy sphinx
#

i think my total paypal account number is like 80

void void
#

youre going to get level 1 support....prob will need to ask for an escalation

gloomy sphinx
#

they are good over the phone

void void
#

still, level 1 support is shit

#

for most companies

gloomy sphinx
#

the only next level is manager

void void
#

lmao

gloomy sphinx
#

over the phone

merry talon
#

they'll at least talk to me like a human I'm sure

#

because with these responses

void void
#

nah, thats what they might tell you but there is typically 3 levels

merry talon
#

I don't think they've actually read what I typed

void void
#

each level has its own management

gloomy sphinx
#

ive spoke to the manager in cali he was cool and told me if an account is not touched it will be removed after 5 years

#

thats how i got my paypal issues sorted

merry talon
#

lol

gloomy sphinx
#

i think i owed paypal like 7k at one point

#

and 5 years later the account was cleared

#

lol

#

this is why they put age restricitons

void void
#

do i dare ask why you owed them such an amount

gloomy sphinx
#

sellings ipods i didnt have to buy ipods

void void
#

nice one

cosmic raft
gloomy sphinx
#

yeah i was like 11

#

so i didnt have a brain

#

but hell i wantd that ipod 2g

void void
#

adds TCC to his list of people never to work with

gloomy sphinx
#

would never work with such a simple man anyway

void void
#

:<

merry talon
#

@cosmic raft yesssss

#

filesystem syscall improvements

gloomy sphinx
#

why do we need this

merry talon
#

have you tried building paper on WSL?

#

it takes like an hour

cosmic raft
#

WSL 2 uses an entirely new architecture that uses a real Linux kernel.

#

Is a highlight

gloomy sphinx
#

i have never used wsl

#

how do i use it

merry talon
#

remember when they took out MS paint because it was too big?

#

now they've added linux into windows

cosmic raft
#

? Paint is still there last I checked

merry talon
#

well maybe they added it back, I dunno

gloomy sphinx
#

which is a true testament to how much Microsoft loves Linux! yeah ok

merry talon
#

but there was a whole thing about it

quasi valley
#

both paint 3d and paint installed by default for me

gloomy sphinx
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microsoft just wants all you neckbeards data

merry talon
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now when are they going to have windows just use the linux kernel

gloomy sphinx
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is wsl that ubuntu thing you can download in the windows store

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what even is that a vm?

merry talon
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yes

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it is now

gloomy sphinx
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shit cool

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that is pretty handy considering doing things in linux is easier

merry talon
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before it was translated to the windows kernel

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making things slow as balls

gloomy sphinx
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but when you must game 😎 while you compile paper

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hopefully when the update is rolled out in june windows doesn't delete itself like it did before

merry talon
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lol

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I'm excited for the sandbox too

gloomy sphinx
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this is probably some super good tactical plan to cover part of the linux market

cosmic raft
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now

gloomy sphinx
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in hopes some people dont move over

cosmic raft
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All we need is

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NT Kernel in Linux

merry talon
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ah yes

gloomy sphinx
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; o

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can paper add a news channel

merry talon
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Ubuntu Metro

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with the windows 8 UI

gloomy sphinx
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cringe

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that one hurts

cosmic raft
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C:/etc/hosts, C:/bin/cmd

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kek

gloomy sphinx
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touch screen only

merry talon
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you mean

cosmic raft
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Sounds like you're describing unity

merry talon
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C:\etc\hosts

gloomy sphinx
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unity didnt even work properly with a touch screen!