general

[void void]

i believe $http_host

[unreal quarry]

smh, this code is starting to blur together lol

[void void]

what's that?

[unreal quarry]

paper 1.14

[cosmic raft]

inb4 chunks

[unreal quarry]

fuck chunks

[cosmic raft]

lol

[unreal quarry]

git am --skip

someone else's mess

[void void]

what's the best version of minecraft?

it's like, if you go back too far there's tons of stuff you need to fix

and the current ones are meh

[vestal jasper]

1.15

[quaint briar]

Last time I was here someone mentioned that it's possible to allow PE players to join in with the help of some plugin

Can someone help me with that?

[native thunder]

It's called DragonProxy iirc

[quasi valley]

ProtocolSupport also has a branch for that

[void void]

Got this from Discord:

https://puu.sh/Do4mi/a4449ef0c1.png

https://puu.sh/Do4mu/1f75cac8ed.png

I was gonna tell them, but...

😠

[quasi valley]

I think they friendzoned you

[void void]

😠

[olive garden]

The answer is Spigot and Paper

[finite wave]

Concrete def

[void void]

glowstone maybe?

is that what he means?

why try to decipher it

its only gonna make your braincells die

[finite wave]

Glowstone with bukkit plugins?

[void void]

yes, it implements the bukkit api

[finite wave]

I see

Still bukkit though

[void void]

"bukkit" alternative would not be sense he probably just meant a "spigot" alternative, still implementing "bukkit".... it was badly worded, like a lot of stuff he says

trying to decipher it is probably pointless

¯_(ツ)_/¯

so a fork?

yeah this is pointless

[finite wave]

Some more people coming for Paper 1.14

[void void]

@quaint briar

pe + pc project is ded

there is no future now as devs say its abandoned

i bet dev will start working on project again if u send him milion dolars he will bury himself with golden grave even

🙃

what lol

talks about dragon server/proxy

[normal echo]

There are other projects that do that, but still in development

[void void]

i wonder if paper devs get atleast 10euros from donations/month

lolo

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i doubt they care, they're "good people" ™

("good")

EVIL

[native thunder]

I imagine donations are straight up non existent

[void void]

thay actualy are

green tea only for rich

em

and the 10euros for server that gets visited by 696969 people

is your profile picture de block

but but they get rich as soon as they abandon project

[limber knot]

Tofuss, Rest assured that they are existent

[normal echo]

^^

[limber knot]

I know that since I donated ;)

[native thunder]

What in the world is the no table rank lol

[void void]

united nation european aid green tea package

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[normal echo]

*not able rank

[native thunder]

haha

notable

right

Why does it have a space now

[void void]

i dont have a table, im not able, and im also notable for being retarded

but i dont have the rank

fuck my oppressors

[golden gust]

Can confirm

Eat poop

[native thunder]

Wait they're not notable anymore so that means we can ping them right?

😃

You can't confine me with your rules

[void void]

i ping everyone regardless of no ping rules, being afraid means you haven't stood your ground long enough

[golden gust]

https://tenor.com/vczd.gif

[void void]

unplugs @golden gust

[golden gust]

robotic cat

having to be wired in

psh

r u dat dum?

[olive garden]

Batteries are heavy

[void void]

nah i just unplugged your tail so you can't balance yourself anymore

[olive garden]

Are you fat?

[void void]

perks of being modular

stupid robotic cats

[golden gust]

Lipos aren't heavy, and pretty scary when shorted

[void void]

loosely reattaches the tail, causing sparks to fly whenever the balance servos fire

[golden gust]

I remember puncturing one, jesus that let out some smoke

Thankfully it was only a nokia battery, so didn't pack much punch (and pretty sure I'd drained it to the point that even a red led was unhappy with it), but damn that was a moment \o/

[void void]

throws @golden gust off a small balcony (so he wont break, dont want my cat to break!) off a ledge while his tail is not connected properly, and watches as the balance servos catch on fire and short out and the cat falls on his head

[golden gust]

You know

You should probably see a councillor

[void void]

i have one

just havent made an appointment!

[golden gust]

Was wondering if it was going to be a case of "good decisions"

(aka, your plane tickets)

[void void]

ya gawd dam rite

"hello excuse me, why does this say qingdao and then lax?"

chinese lady smiling at me sweetly: "i dont understand a word ya saying bitch hawahahahaha"

(but in chinese)

im pre sure thats what she said

[golden gust]

I'da said something similar to you but in english

[void void]

ye

[golden gust]

mainly the last part

[void void]

hawahahahaha?

[golden gust]

Yea, plus 1 more word

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LGEiIL1__s

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Key & Peele - I Said Bitch - length 4m 18s - 399,487 likes, 6,041 dislikes (98.5%) - 47,931,141 views - Comedy Central on 2012.02.01

[void void]

i love that episode so much am gon watch again

if i ever called my woman a bitch im getting knocked on the floor

and i am a whole foot taller than this lady

she'd probably drag me down the street to the local butcher for a dik-dik-chop-chop too

[deep shoal]

how can I get all entities

[dire mango]

Hai hai, would anyone knows if there is a spigot dev discord server? I tried on their IRC but no answers...

[deep shoal]

how can I get all entities without a World

[golden gust]

Spigot doesn't have a discord

[dire mango]

That's weird even unofficial?

[static badge]

there's a world get entities method iirc

[tropic flame]

lmao, Spigot being rational? nah

[static badge]

if that fails iterate over all chunks

[finite wave]

@deep shoal Grt the world

[dire mango]

Oof, on spigot forums :

they are so dumb

[vestal jasper]

10 REM {NOT FOUND}5/23/79{CR}{LF *}{DEL}{DEL}
20 REM ANTENNA TRACKING PROGRAM FOR ORBITING SATELLITES{CR}{LF *}{DEL}{DEL}```

[golden gust]

md himself seemingly has no intent of running a discord server, nor do I believe that he would allow one without his name on the top

[void void]

wait lol did md say that

is that md's quote

[golden gust]

I think he means a personal bridge

[golden gust]

God knows, I know that billy bridges discord to spigots irc channel

[void void]

im the irc guy, except even if my client wasnt set up the way i wanted i'd still be that guy

[heady spear]

this discord is the least dead mc server related discord I've been in so like uh

clearly wasteland

[vestal jasper]

^

[golden gust]

Probably more when the discord was just created and we weren't really pushing it too much

[vestal jasper]

The only really active channels I've seen in other servers were support channels and those don't really count much in this scenario imo

[unreal quarry]

just thought i'd take a moment to point out we have over 800 people on here (not include the offline ones) https://i.imgur.com/9Jr0Bz3.png

[golden gust]

2334 members

[vestal jasper]

I've seen servers with 1260 people online with no one actively talking

[golden gust]

now it's apparently 2330

lrn 2 count discord

[unreal quarry]

4 people quit because you pointed it out

lol

[dire mango]

u were right elctroniccat :

but meh, comparing Discord to Skype..

[vestal jasper]

discord won't last
except discord isn't a steaming pile of shit

unlike skype

[dire mango]

^

[heady spear]

💦

[vestal jasper]

I've had skype crash on me at least 30 times

Discord has NEVER crashed for me

[heady spear]

everyone wants to be in my sexy discord

[void void]

I use Skype for chats with family, that's it. However, it definitely did used to be my main chat platform lmao

[quasi valley]

we have like 4500 members and only a few messages every few hours

[void void]

When Discord came out I denied it hella hard, then caved, then realized k aight

[vestal jasper]

Discord isn't perfect and there's a lot of things I'd like changed but it's better than

skype
irc

At least for my needs

don't want to fragment the community
Except the half of the community that wants to use discord over IRC probably isn't in the IRC, so they're probably splitting it more by not having discord + irc bridge.

[tropic flame]

lmao why doesn't md just use compact mode /s

[vestal jasper]

If they don't want to use discord fine by me but some of those arguments are pretty weak ones

[wide chasm]

They could provide a Discord and bridge them with IRC as to not fragment the community. If Discord were to die, they'd still have IRC as a fallback as well.

[void void]

thats literally what he said would cause fragmentation

[unreal quarry]

you missed the key point. everything else is b.s. excuses imho

he wants to be in control

[wide chasm]

What control does he want that Discord doesn't provide?

[void void]

backend server

[unreal quarry]

self host

you cant self host discord

[void void]

he probably wants it all to be under spigot tos

[wide chasm]

I don't see why you'd explicitly want to self host it. How's it a problem that Discord hosts it, other than that it wouldn't be under Spigot TOS?

That'd be the only reason I can see.

[unreal quarry]

its not a problem, unless you're an egotistical power hungry individual

[golden gust]

I mean, there are some narks with using a hosted service, e.g. you can't block against VPNs

[acoustic pilot]

Access to client IPs, yeah

And it's a legitimate reason

[heady spear]

Discord are known for doing some sketchy things to communities without providing any reason

I honestly wouldn't trust to use Discord for my community. You never really know what they'll do 🤷

[void void]

idk how but i spent over 900 dollars in cebu

ripperoni and cheese

[hard kernel]

Hi simple

[void void]

hi

[hard kernel]

Any tips on setting up a skyblock server?

[heady spear]

don't

that's my best tip

[hard kernel]

My players want it

[heady spear]

second tip is to get new players

[void void]

I mean...no i have no idea lmao. But I guess a skyblock plugin or smth

[hard kernel]

But i love my players

[worn ember]

thats gay

[heady spear]

step 3: stop

[woven otter]

install FAWE

[void void]

ok but can you stop giving retarded advice, they actually need help and you're actively being detrimental

[woven otter]

make sure it's an outdated version

[hard kernel]

Jesus the troll is real

Idk why i ask in paper =D

[void void]

people used to use askyblock (plugin) but i guess it is out of date

[worn ember]

ask in the bukkit discord instead

oh wait

[void void]

bskyblock is in development iirc

[woven otter]

askyblock is a retarded plugin

[void void]

not sure how stable it is

[heady spear]

buy it from mcm

[void void]

asb needs a lot of patching yes

[heady spear]

the entire setup

[void void]

@hard kernel i think you'll find that a lot of people in the mc community just flat out suck

[heady spear]

and the users

[void void]

completely unusable otherwise

[heady spear]

I only suck4p

[worn ember]

@void void thats homophobic wtf

ban plz

[void void]

no u

[hard kernel]

Lol who let the helmets out =D

[woven otter]

@hard kernel just work with your community and ask for their ideas and suggestions

[worn ember]

#MeThree

[heady spear]

excuse u but we r the best the community has got to offer

[hard kernel]

Sorry guys i shoulda just dmed simple =D

[void void]

no dont do that, i hate direct pms

[worn ember]

get some simple love

slide deep in his dm's

[heady spear]

ain't nothing simple about this

[void void]

but you just have to deal with these absolute retards who only help when they actually want to, and otherwise actively harm the community and call it a meme later on

[vestal jasper]

Leaf what the fuck is that intellij loading bar

[worn ember]

well its not like you're paying me to help you, so yes, i'll only do it when i feel like it

[hard kernel]

I planned on paying

[void void]

and otherwise actively harm

[heady spear]

clam up dude it's not that depp

[hard kernel]

=D

[worn ember]

i think we should start an article to ban meming

[woven otter]

like an article 13

[worn ember]

exactly

[heady spear]

memes r good for the economy

[void void]

how about article 15

[heady spear]

also stop being uptight lmao it's minecraft

[void void]

it's not my community, so at the end of the day i hardly give a shit and im going to sleep just fine. It just annoys me to no end that people like you will sit in a support discord for a project and not only deny support but give harmful advice. Last time I'm saying on the topic, and if you are going to have the last word so be it. Keep feeling good about yourself

[static badge]

ok wtf is going on here

[native thunder]

city being a meme

[heady spear]

stop being uptight
is more uptight

It is generally on-topic, as the topic is off-topic:
"Social / Off Topic general community chatter. Tacos, Cats, Taylor, and burning of leafs."

Anyway, no one was actively being harmed, were they?

I'd say that banter works to strengthen the community

[native thunder]

At worst he was being a dick

I don't see how it was actively harmful

[vestal jasper]

@static badge this is the best stream I've ever taken part in. thank you for this experience.

[static badge]

yeah I'm busying setting up something

[void void]

busying?

[static badge]

yes

busying

[vestal jasper]

leaf's too retarded to say entire sentences correctly

[acoustic pilot]

@hard kernel For 1.13, your choices are basically BSkyBlock, uSkyBlock and FabledSkyBlock.

[static badge]

vic ur 2 retarded to exist

[vestal jasper]

thanks

[acoustic pilot]

BSkyBlock is considered to be very incomplete in comparison to ASkyBlock, but both plugins are actually quite awfully written to begin with that it's amazing there isn't yet a cleaner, more efficient SkyBlock plugin out there by now.

[vestal jasper]

VSkyBlock when

[heady spear]

FASkyBlock plz

[acoustic pilot]

FabledSkyBlock is open source and has a cleaner code base, but it relies on private artifacts so you can't compile it yourself, forcing you to pay for it from Songoda's marketplace lol

Also Fabled will write to disk on the main thread, so that's another flaw.

[static badge]

[acoustic pilot]

BSkyBlock is probably the only realistic option for SkyBlock on 1.13 without porting ASkyBlock yourself

[static badge]

the standard bukkit plugin

[heady spear]

but file IO is super fast and scheduluing tasks isn't so it's super efficient tbh

[acoustic pilot]

Well I'd definitely rather a plugin be doing file IO on the main thread vs network IO

Surely.

Flushing tiny YAML files to disk a few times in a tick probably won't incur any noticeable penalty.

[heady spear]

"scheduluing" city being gr8

[finite wave]

Ew it’s that city guy

[woven otter]

mfw Songoda's skyblock plugin isn't called EpicSkyblock

[heady spear]

sh jan am busy ruining the community together with dark

[finite wave]

I see

[acoustic pilot]

Seems to be one of their few plugins that is actually decently made in terms of code quality

Only real flaw is that it writes to disk on the main thread

[finite wave]

He probably has no clue what threading is

[woven otter]

https://i.imgur.com/cV17Ffu.png

css

[heady spear]

"View plug"in

[finite wave]

Looks good

Totally will give me cc to that guy

My*

[heady spear]

girl* songoda obviously made everything on her own wdym

[finite wave]

It’s a boy now

[heady spear]

Z makes me feel like I'm the only girl in the world

[woven otter]

how does FAWE make you feel

[heady spear]

🤷

[dire mango]

Well, ik this is not the right server (*cough*) to ask that but could anyone help me with an issue on my spigot (*couuugh*) 1.12.2 plugin? The issue seems that my instances dont close themselves.. So if i change the color of one sheep through my Gui, then another sheep, the color of the first sheep will become the one i chosed for the second sheep, etc..

[woven otter]

oh wow leaf is streaming

[finite wave]

Show @woven otter

[void void]

https://www.twitch.tv/spottedstar

[woven otter]

^

[finite wave]

He’s doing nothing

Smh

[acoustic pilot]

all he's good for tbh

[finite wave]

@static badge nub

[vestal jasper]

I'd ping and fuck with him but tbh I'd rather not distract him while he's working on paper 1.14

[heady spear]

so nothing out of the ordinary then

[void void]

streamer mode blocks pings afaik

[static badge]

tbh I'm just figuring out wtf the millions of a, b, and d variables are doing

[acoustic pilot]

hopefully one of them burns all leaves

[quasi valley]

leaf decay

[finite wave]

Nono that’s an e

[vestal jasper]

is there a leaf burning plugin?

asking for a friend

[finite wave]

Sure

[vestal jasper]

just set all leaves on fire when they're placed

ez

[golden gust]

.leaf

[limber knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289587909051416579/550924756111589397/Peek_2019-03-01_01-17.webm

[acoustic pilot]

what's up with the virtualbox

[vestal jasper]

nice

what's up with the left mounted task bar

[static badge]

fuck running linux :>

[quasi valley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyNcUgUtlkk

[acoustic pilot]

so wait, you're running windows, with a linux desktop running in virtualbox? lol

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) New "Creeping Vines" Mob in Minecraft - length 4m 51s - 24,020 likes, 702 dislikes (97.2%) - 1,329,823 views - SethBling on 2015.04.19

[static badge]

yes

[acoustic pilot]

y u do dis

[vestal jasper]

[static badge]

gotta get me some overwatch

[acoustic pilot]

yes but at that point why not just run it in windows lol

i guess im just trying to understand the point of using a VM there

is it for streaming purposes?

[static badge]

it's because patch speeds on windows are god awful

build is even worse

last I checked it took like 10 mins

fuck

that

shit

[acoustic pilot]

haven't patched in linux lately but windows speeds seemed greatly improved to the point there it's not painful anymore to wait for patching

[vestal jasper]

so now it takes 9 minutes because you're running intellij through a vm with a windows host

[static badge]

no

it's way faster on the vm

[vestal jasper]

maybe ur just too retarded to patch and build properly on windows

[acoustic pilot]

as opposed to what? WSL or Git Bash?

[static badge]

git bash

wsl is apparently still bad

although z tested that so who knows

[vestal jasper]

holy shit that's a lotta red

[golden gust]

He said it's still not on the mark of linux, but it's better than just windows iirc

[static badge]

that's just a conflict

[vestal jasper]

as in singular?

[static badge]

yes it's one conflict

I'll highlight it

[golden gust]

Git just does stupid stuff at times

[vestal jasper]

huh

[static badge]

the entire method was moved so

[vestal jasper]

kinda satisfying to watch tbh

all that red slowly turning to gray

[acoustic pilot]

Interesting that IntelliJ in a VM seems almost native lol

Must be some decent hardware

[static badge]

:>

[void void]

iz god hardware

how a stupid leaf acquired it, no one will ever know

[finite wave]

Of course we know

Leaf is a pro hacker

[worn ember]

Leafy haxxor confirmed

[unreal quarry]

i love how everyone is watching leaf, but no one watched me over night. my stream was dead 😦

[vestal jasper]

Oh I didn't notice you were streaming

[void void]

thats bc leaf is a retard and you're not

[vestal jasper]

ping me next time you do billy and I'll hop on if I can

[void void]

no i cannot

[acoustic pilot]

i only know skript, is enough for hypixel job?

[wide chasm]

Yes

They only hire skript devs.

[woven otter]

hypixel is written in skript

[worn ember]

Skribt Skrub

[woven otter]

wow dude you don't even know how to skript

[worn ember]

i only write css

[woven otter]

what a noob

[golden gust]

I program plugins in html

[void void]

lmfao

[vestal jasper]

I program plugins in altair basic

[void void]

I programm plugins using magic

[vestal jasper]

I program plugins using ducks

[woven otter]

abuse

[golden gust]

.g xkcd butterfly

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://xkcd.com/378/ -- xkcd: Real Programmers: "Still mourning the demise of Google Reader? You can sign up to get new comics delivered by email here. Real Programmers. |< · < Prev · Random · Next..."

xkcd: Real Programmers

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

[wide chasm]

I program Minecraft in Minecraft in Basic.

[void void]

Now I want cookies :c

[vestal jasper]

when you accidentally ctrl q discord

oops

[golden gust]

Awh, was hoping youd gotten lost or something

[woven otter]

that caption is the best tbh

[vestal jasper]

this person can go fucking die in a hole

I'd rather be unable to exit vim for 30 years than use ed for a day

[void void]

using "cat"

😦

[woven otter]

use "ecat"

[void void]

butterflies is the best way to program.

[native thunder]

REAL programmers calculate cosmic rays and perfectly place their hard drives to flip bits

[void void]

thank you for regurgitating the meme

[vestal jasper]

You can write to files with cat

[native thunder]

Didn't see that

Damn

[void void]

@vestal jasper i mean yea

[tropic flame]

I found this option in the Release edition of Firefox for some reason

I set it to false, your extensions won't have verification issues due to stupid bugs if verification is disabled

[void void]

i mean the options are always there pretty sure...

[tropic flame]

from what I read they should only exist in Nightly and Developer editions

[void void]

thats why it gives you a big old "WARNING IF U CHANGE UR WARRANTY IS VOIDED" screen

idk that might be a mistake but meh

[tropic flame]

well at least it saves me from having to switch to a Developer build

[pulsar wigeon]

you can literally just install the hotfix

https://storage.googleapis.com/moz-fx-normandy-prod-addons/extensions/hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate%40mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi

that's the xpi that firefox installs if you enable shield studies

signed by mozilla

[tropic flame]

oh I did install the hotfix

but I also don't want the verification at all from now on

[pulsar wigeon]

oic

[tropic flame]

yeah, also I need to disable it on Firefox for Android until they release a separate patch for it

[worn ember]

1.8 release when

[void void]

.eta

[limber knot]

Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

[void void]

bring the goblins

[vestal jasper]

tomorrow

[worn ember]

great!

been waiting 5 years for this

[tropic flame]

so apparently there's this chromium-based browser for Android called Kiwi? that supports extensions

[stiff yarrow]

@vestal jasper if you can't exit vim you may have poo brain

[tropic flame]

It looks like Chrome

[vestal jasper]

Leaf's the only poo brain here

[static badge]

no u

[limber knot]

If there is a hell it is working with a green/pink haired "ze" drama queen what threatens to kick your ass in the unisex bathroom and then get you fired.

[limber knot]

in size 11 high heals and tats

[void void]

where exactly did THAT come from

[limber knot]

<--- my life.

[void void]

i think that should be reported to HR

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber knot]

Gonna challenge "it" to a bare knuckle fight at a fight club.

[void void]

ok then

[limber knot]

I would be fired for being a nazi homophobe that was not inclusive enough if I complained

https://hastebin.com/oqolunoxog.java hey how can line 5 throw a classnotfoundexception that isn't caught by my catch statement?

[acoustic pilot]

Are you sure it's throwing and not actually being printed from where it originated?

[limber knot]

hm I guess I'm not sure

is it possible to have something inside of that try statement error real bad and it won't get caught by the catch statement?

[static badge]

that should catch it

the stack trace log?

[limber knot]

https://pastebin.com/L8dTaNAa

[pearl ibex]

Leaf, u'r retarded. :>

[static badge]

...

NoClassDefFoundError does not extend Exception

[limber knot]

oh

[static badge]

that's the exception being thrown u fuk

[limber knot]

hh

[static badge]

:>

[limber knot]

I don't usually fuck with try statements

alright

live and learn, thanks

[static badge]

u should know how to read a stack

[limber knot]

man it sure is taking a minute to get a stable 1.14 build

[native thunder]

Ya. Usually it needs to compile first 😛

[austere ivy]

Hi there.

I have this: https://timings.aikar.co/?id=3ea3d6443cda40689f08455f3ed69c8c

PlayerJoinEvent was fine before, everything was smooth, and then I added a database call to MongoDB (on the cloud) and then now that spike you see there is just the database being called.

[native thunder]

Social / Off Topic general community chatter. Tacos, Cats, Taylor, and burning of leafs.

[void void]

correct

[karmic stump]

What's the latest 1.13.* ?

[void void]

.2

tehbrian, doing db on main thread is asking for trouble

[karmic stump]

I mean what build, sorry

[native thunder]

Looks like you're holding login events while querying a db?

[karmic stump]

is #1613 still 1.13.2?

[native thunder]

It's like 63x or something

624

https://papermc.io/downloads

[void void]

https://puu.sh/DoaA7/d36c361c9b.png

[karmic stump]

Cool ty

[native thunder]

1613 is 12.2

1.12.2*

[karmic stump]

Ah I was on the wrong site, glad I asked lol

[void void]

no download mirror sites!

https://tenor.com/view/mua-kiss-love-despicable-me-minions-gif-5702977

[austere ivy]

is that because I'm not async or is it because I'm making calls to a cloud?

[void void]

mainly because you are not async

[austere ivy]

and should I use MySQL/MariaDB locally instead of a MongoDB cloud instance?

[void void]

no

you will encounter network lag then

[austere ivy]

uhh

I am using a MongoDB cloud instance

[void void]

yes, you will still have lag because you're sync...

[normal echo]

^^

[void void]

you're blocking the main thread.

meaning game stops and waits for you

to finish whatever the fwok you're doing

[austere ivy]

Alright let's say I'm async instead

Would mysql/mariadb locally have a benefit over mongodb on the cloud?

[void void]

then you won't feel the effects of the calls you're making, but remote vs local will still cause a short lag

only latency reduction

[austere ivy]

mhm.

okay, gotcha, thanks.

[void void]

caching can help in that case for commonly accessed resources

[austere ivy]

it's player ontime..

it's gonna be changing constantly

that's why I'm thinking of having it locally

oh quick question, what's the preferred way of going async with Spigot?

[acoustic pilot]

pray very hard

[austere ivy]

BukkitScheduler or just runnables?

wiat

bukkitscheduler uses runnables no that's not what I'm saying

[fallen oracle]

I moved away from scheduler. I use TaskChain now which is by Aikar.

[stiff yarrow]

@austere ivy most the things in spigot are not ASYNC safe

so don't do it

unless you know its safe

if you meant going async in your own services / code

yes use the scheduler

[fallen oracle]

Correct, don't try to async world stuff or whatever.

I async stuff like checking for updates.

[acoustic pilot]

don't listen to these dumb fools. async every thing

[austere ivy]

what if EVERYTHING was run off the main thread

No but seriously, getting a database is fine for async, right?

[fallen oracle]

Yes

[austere ivy]

Alright because it's just ontime.

[stuck lava]

db? what db? use sqlite

[austere ivy]

uhh

I heard sqlite was like 1000x slower than MySQL or something like that

[stuck lava]

welp yea u gotta wipe all data once it becomes slow

and then ur good to go

[austere ivy]

huh brilliant very good nice

Is this all I'd need to make it async? Bukkit.getScheduler().runTaskAsynchronously(main, () -> main.getDatabase().getCollection("players").updateOne(eq("uuid", uuid.toString()), set("millisOntime", millisOntime), new UpdateOptions().upsert(true)));

I feel like I'm doing something wrong because of how simple that is ,_,

I feel like I'm forgetting something.

[worn ember]

i always juse use a threadpool and completable future

[austere ivy]

oh yeah someone mentioned TaskChain

[worn ember]

well thats not taskchain specific, its just java things

[austere ivy]

what's a threadpool?

[worn ember]

a pool of threads 🤔

[acoustic pilot]

it's a pool where threads go to swim and have fun and party and stuff

[austere ivy]

hey that sounds nice

[void void]

i was completely scrolled up and had no fucking idea why everyone was typing

[austere ivy]

lol that happens to me sometimes

I think I don't really need a threadpool because I'm not going to be doing database things super often, so I don't really think I'd benefit from that but what do I know

[void void]

a thread pool is a collection of threads that are waiting to be assigned a task. A thread is removed from the pool and given something to do, it does it, and then returns to the pool.

It lessens the amount of time required to spin up a thread, assign a task, have it finish it, then spin down the thread; they're all spun up and waiting

[worn ember]

https://github.com/DarkEyeDragon/Siege/tree/master/src/main/java/me/darkeyedragon/siege/database
if you're looking to do database stuff look at mah repo, it has some (questionable) things regarding databases and pools

[austere ivy]

if they're just "in the pool" would that take up any CPU or memory?

[void void]

just use HikariCP, it's API is very simple

yes they take up memory

cpu time when in use

[austere ivy]

because having them constantly "in the pool" doesn't seem very useful

[worn ember]

^but yeah use hikari

[austere ivy]

for my usecase.

[worn ember]

well see it as a buffer

[void void]

having them in the pool is useful when you need to do a lot of work and know you'll be using them often

if you do one-off calls, just make a connection

[void void]

however, a pool will dramatically speed up your application (at the expense of resources)

so it's a trade-off for you to make

[worn ember]

i'd always opt for a threadpool unless you update something every 5 minutes or so

[austere ivy]

https://github.com/brettwooldridge/HikariCP

[void void]

(note: the resources really are not that expensive for HikariCP... it's the smallest & fastest connection pool around)

[austere ivy]

this?

[void void]

yes

[worn ember]

the repo i sent shows how to implement it btw

[austere ivy]

well I'm only really doing this for ontime

[void void]

every time someone does an on time command?

[austere ivy]

oh yeah that's a good point

[void void]

if so, imagine a large server of over 100 people and even if you think it wont happen, they all do /ontime at once

server WILL crash if not using threads :p

[austere ivy]

hey hey

[void void]

because block finish block finish block finish block

[austere ivy]

you just have me an idea

step 1. make ontime plugin without threads

step 2. get lots of servers to use it

step 3. blackmail them to give you money or else you do /ontime with like 5 accounts

[void void]

lol

[austere ivy]

ezpz money

[worn ember]

just use a while loop on the main thread lul

[austere ivy]

👀

[void void]

yeah anything sync and expensive will cause the server to crash

[austere ivy]

alright yeah since people will be using the ontime command a lot, and I'm going to have to load database on join, every 10 or so minutes, and on playerquit, and on disable

maybe I'll do that, yeah

[worn ember]

new minigame: Can your server calculate the result of x before your users time out!

[void void]

imo use hikaricp for connection pooling, and caffeine to cache player ontime data for like ~15 seconds after they call it just in case they spam the /ontime command it will serve them the data they just saw until they chill the fuck out and the cache clears

[austere ivy]

caffeine?

[void void]

ye

.g caffeine cache

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://github.com/ben-manes/caffeine -- GitHub - ben-manes/caffeine: A high performance caching...: "Caffeine is a high performance, near optimal caching library based on Java 8. For more details, see our user's guide and browse the API docs for the..."

[austere ivy]

my GOOOOSSSHHH

everything is a library

[void void]

dont have to use that right away

yeah yeah, well we aint as bad as javascript....yet

[austere ivy]

maybe I'll just use a preexisting ontime plugin :(

I shall press on! see you folks.

[void void]

nah man just start small expand later

im just giving ideas

aint gon learn if you dont try

[peak dirge]

@void void you mean Node.js

[void void]

yeah yeah

[austere ivy]

okay so HikariCP for async thread pools and Caffeine for cashing?

got it

[void void]

yep

[austere ivy]

caching*

not cashing

o/

[void void]

adios

[peak dirge]

I'm so helpless that I have to depend on a module to tell me if something is an array when I could've been smart and used Array.isArray()

[void void]

underscore? 😄

[peak dirge]

there's also modules that do nothing but that

[void void]

the npm library is pretty wild

[peak dirge]

welcome to Node.js!

[static badge]

mfw node

[worn ember]

or use a strong typed language 😃

[void void]

node

language

you can use typescript and still be node

(which is strongly typed js)

[worn ember]

k

[peak dirge]

"but it's fast"

yes, because Google has a lot of engineers who do nothing but work on V8

[austere ivy]

lol

Leaf named paper "concrete-deprecated"

[peak dirge]

It's a testament to the people who've managed to work within JavaScript's quirks and produced a high-quality, high-performance JIT and interpreter for JavaScript

[static badge]

I named my Concrete-PR repo Concrete-Deprecated

[austere ivy]

huh

it's strange because Leaf has 6 people watching his stream

7, now.

[static badge]

god this patch looks disgusting

[austere ivy]

I like watching people who have more experience's workflow.

yikes that sentence was a mess

I like watching more experienced people's workflow

[void void]

leaf

experienced

HAH

[austere ivy]

are you calling me more experienced than leaf

[void void]

yes

[austere ivy]

that's a dangerous road buckeroo

[void void]

leaf is rart

ed

[austere ivy]

now there's 8 people watching him

who on earth is watching him I don't understand

[quasi valley]

he doesn't use double shift

[austere ivy]

imagine someone scrolling and just finding some random dude streaming "Paper 1.14 update"

and just.. watching

[void void]

oh jesus....we're at the future :LLLLLLLLL

level 5 autonomous cars

GM and Ford 2021

no steering wheel, no brakes, no gas pedal

[static badge]

double shift?

[austere ivy]

Shift+Cmd+F > Double Shift

[quasi valley]

no

[austere ivy]

Search entire project for a string.

[static badge]

oh

[quasi valley]

it's for getting to files

ye

[static badge]

that's very useful :>

[austere ivy]

I like shift+cmd+f because config values don't tell you if they're used or not

[quasi valley]

and the checkbox in the top right of that window lets you also find classes of depends if you need to find any of those

[austere ivy]

so occasionally I just shift+cmd+f and check some config values which I'm not sure are in use, helps me a tad bit

[static badge]

patch 430

[void void]

i just randomly remembered one time i felt confident to speak tagalog and ended up saying something really sarcastic and mean

:O

[finite wave]

Tagalog?

[void void]

ye

[finite wave]

Is what

[void void]

philippine's national language

although only for luzon area kek 😄

[finite wave]

Weird

Tag a log

[void void]

It's pronounced Ta-galog

[finite wave]

I prefer to tag a log

[void void]

yea, i used to say it like that too ;p

[finite wave]

Log

Tag a loh

**

[void void]

kek

[austere ivy]

Leaf how many patches are there to go?

[static badge]

8

[wide hazel]

https://gfycat.com/TanTestyAntarcticfurseal

That's fucking adorable

Ah, right, we have #gifs-and-memes now

[stable oriole]

8 patches 🎉

[austere ivy]

🎉

[quasi valley]

well then they'll have to go through half of them again 👀

[austere ivy]

🍾

wait what

[wide hazel]

Yeah

That was just the initial round

[quasi valley]

maybe not half, but they'll have to quality check their changes and actually test everything

[static badge]

yeah we go through all of em again

[wide hazel]

The rest actually have to be modified

[austere ivy]

what

Is it just quality checking or is it more modifications?

[static badge]

making sure they work

we've just touched ~400 patches and tested none of it

[unreal quarry]

:3

[static badge]

and we need to re-add all of the patches we couldn't do just yet

[unreal quarry]

if it blows up dont blame me. i only touched ~70

[static badge]

[void void]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-ihave-no-idea-what-im-doing-gif-5948461

paper devs ^

[stable oriole]

Leaf, after you finish these few, should it be able to compile successfully.

[void void]

.eta

[limber knot]

Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

[static badge]

no it's not going to compile

[void void]

:O

[austere ivy]

why not

[stable oriole]

Why .eta?

[austere ivy]

you're telling me developers don't write perfect bug-free code every time!?

[static badge]

the first thing I do after the the last patch is going through my list

[void void]

.eta because that was a reworded way of asking WHEN RELEASED?!?!??!!!!!1

[stable oriole]

No it wasn't actually, I'm working on a fork of Paper, and I just wanted to know when I could test my patches...

I don't plan on running 1.14 anytime soon

[austere ivy]

Ooh, can I see the fork?

There's so many forks.. Spigot, Paper, Cardboard, Concrete, Taco, yadayada.

[void void]

and I just wanted to know when I could test my patches...

.....aka when released question

[unreal quarry]

my fork is best fork

[void void]

:p

[austere ivy]

Billy can I see your fork?

[void void]

(i honestly do not care im just fucking with you.)

[austere ivy]

I'm telling you when I get around to implementing VR into Cardboard it's gonna be way way better than Paper

[void void]

ive had like..........4 coffees and a bang

and going for 5th cup maybe

yeah, that would be if none of it was processed by your body

i dont have 400mg in my blood at all times

im fine

[unreal quarry]

400mg in how much time? cause i drink way more than that in a day

^_^

[austere ivy]

cool, GMatrix!

Billy what about your fork

[unreal quarry]

dont touch my fork, brian

[austere ivy]

but can I see your fork

[unreal quarry]

yes

[austere ivy]

I'm finding the fork

https://github.com/BillyGalbreath/Concrete

is this it

[unreal quarry]

no, that was going to be it

[void void]

dont look at my fork, dont smell my fork, dont taste my fork, dont feel my fork, dont even THINK ABOUT MY FORK

[unreal quarry]

but leaf stole that name before i could get started

[stable oriole]

https://github.com/BillyGalbreath/Paper ?

[austere ivy]

OH SHOOT I THOUGHT BOUT YOUR FORK

[unreal quarry]

thats paper, lol

i use that fork for prs

[austere ivy]

billy can I have a link to your fork

[unreal quarry]

https://github.com/pl3xgaming/Purpur

[static badge]

I stole it?

[austere ivy]

purpr?

[stable oriole]

But it's still a fork

[static badge]

concrete was always mine :>

[austere ivy]

whoa

I'm already very impressed

[unreal quarry]

leaf, check the fork time 😛

i created concrete fork before you

^_^

[austere ivy]

wait a second

[static badge]

sept 26 2018 :>

[austere ivy]

[static badge]

I had the OG Concrete-PR before that

[austere ivy]

do you just want aquatic ridable sealife?

[unreal quarry]

look at the patch, brian

i started with the easy land walkers

then did the water ones

next will be flying ones

then the hard ones that are left, like the dragon

[austere ivy]

you're..

making

everything ridable?

[unreal quarry]

i hate working with the dragon :3

[void void]

hence.... "Ridable" as the name

[austere ivy]

what on earth

[void void]

[austere ivy]

this is way better than Concrete

[unreal quarry]

you know i already made everything ridable, right?

in a plugin

[austere ivy]

what

[unreal quarry]

now i'm just doing it in a fork for ease of maintenance

[void void]

https://github.com/BillyGalbreath/Ridables

i thought we were talking about that already woops

[unreal quarry]

there probably wont be a 1.14 version of that plugin

idk. depends on how frisky i feel later

[austere ivy]

I'll port it

I'll do it

[void void]

just pound 6 beers and then a coffee and do it

try not to pee update challenge

[unreal quarry]

i started a new branch v4.0 for 1.14 support

but its not finished

got side tracked with Purpur ^_^

[static badge]

variable renames

[woven otter]

is Purpur about rideables only

[unreal quarry]

nah, its what i'm gonna put on my personal server

i doubt anyone else would be interested in it

[woven otter]

you have a server ?

is it public

[unreal quarry]

yes, but i keep it secret 😛

[woven otter]

[void void]

literally just found it

[austere ivy]

PARTY ON BILLY'S SERVER woohoo

[unreal quarry]

no sir!

not on my watch

bans brian

[austere ivy]

noo :(

[unreal quarry]

only reason i keep it secret from here is all of you are server owners too ^_^

[finite wave]

Ip

[austere ivy]

and?

[unreal quarry]

youre the competition

[austere ivy]

please my server already has 0 players

we're basically endgame now

[finite wave]

Can’t be a competition if i’ve already won

[austere ivy]

^

[worn ember]

@unreal quarry billeh scured some paper nubs gonna steal his kode

:'(((

[unreal quarry]

code i dont mind

[austere ivy]

it's the

[unreal quarry]

thats why i open source everything

[austere ivy]

plugins

hides coreprotect and luckperms

AIN'T NO ONE GETTING THESE PLUGINS

[unreal quarry]

not even that lol

[austere ivy]

oh, what then?

[unreal quarry]

come on now

[austere ivy]

ideas?

[native thunder]

Who needs coreprotect

[austere ivy]

me

[worn ember]

coreprotect users

[unreal quarry]

my server is a safe place for my kids to play. gotta keep the cancer out 😉

[limber knot]

👀

[austere ivy]

Hold up.

I'm a kid, you know, that means the server is for me :D

[native thunder]

hey Intelli

Speak of the devil huh

Coreprotect 4 when?

[austere ivy]

Oh wait Intelli makes CoreProtect right?

I like your plugin, Intelli.

[limber knot]

Gracias

[static badge]

hey where's coreprotect v3 intelli

[native thunder]

Closed source is a big

So we wrote our own

Lack of custom events was also a deal breaker

[austere ivy]

Custom what?

[tropic flame]

lmao recently I just found Chromium builds for Windows with the proprietary codecs Chrome has

[native thunder]

Being able to register a custom logging event

[limber knot]

🤔 there's an API

[native thunder]

Last I checked it was harcoded events?

[austere ivy]

@unreal quarry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDUZYdJuXwU&feature=youtu.be I'm getting closer! >:D

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Pl3xSUI - Bukkit Plugin Showcase - length 4m 24s - 3 likes, 0 dislikes (100.0%) - 606 views - Pl3x Development on 2016.04.15

[austere ivy]

also I like the comments, lol

[unreal quarry]

i remember that plugin! 😮

[austere ivy]

Gailbraith lol.

[limber knot]

@tofuss what do you mean?

[void void]

it isnt even hard to find the url lmao

you trying so hard

[worn ember]

Scarpet > Skript

[austere ivy]

Billy

https://minecraftservers.org/server/96469

Is this it?

RIP DwD, sometime-2019 :(

[unreal quarry]

that was a server i played on for a few years then became one of the admins

its been gone since 2014 or so

😦

[austere ivy]

:(

[unreal quarry]

i'm telling ya, you wont find it lol

might as well give up

[austere ivy]

I found it

er,, uh

simple found it

:(

[unreal quarry]

he thinks he did ^_^

[void void]

unless you changed your domain

[austere ivy]

When can I join :(

I'm a kid too, you know, it's just made for me.

Billy's like, "yes, I did change it."

"I changed it to hypixel.net"

[unreal quarry]

i'll give you a hint. i've used pl3x as a company name since 2004. i've done many things under it, including running mc servers in the past. but thats not it right now ^_^

[austere ivy]

big gasp

[void void]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[austere ivy]

ha take that Simple

it's NOT pl3xcraft that's why I was doing such advanced searching

get rekt

[unreal quarry]

pl3xcraft was the last server i ran, like 2 years ago

[austere ivy]

HA

[unreal quarry]

maybe 1

it died

[austere ivy]

unfortunate :(

[native thunder]

Intelli: I mean I can't define say a walked-1k meters event through the api and call it

I'm stuck with whatever you log by default

[austere ivy]

what

how on earth would you rollback a walked-1k meters event

[unreal quarry]

well, it was a rough run. i installed mcmmo to attract players. it worked. but then they griefed the worlds constantly to speed level skills. so i put a cap at level 1000 and reset it every month lol

[native thunder]

Not everything needs to be rolledback

[unreal quarry]

didnt go over well

[austere ivy]

Alright we mention coreprotect and Intelli pops up

where's Nossr

[tropic flame]

imagine md_5 popping up whenever we say bad things about Spigot

[austere ivy]

howdy

[unreal quarry]

howdy

[austere ivy]

ohhi emdee

Billy you got to give us some hints.

[limber knot]

Hmm

[unreal quarry]

about to do a push to purpur you might like, brian

[austere ivy]

Perfect, I like it already.

[unreal quarry]

\o/

[static badge]

is it pulling the god tier changes from concrete? :>

[limber knot]

Support for generic data types isn't a horrible idea

Maybe in CoreProtect 5

[austere ivy]

coreprotect 6 when

[unreal quarry]

you know, i honestly havent looked through concrete too much other than how to make byof work lol

i need to

i might streal some stuff, or rebase on top of concrete

pushed, brian

[austere ivy]

very nice

you should re-add Beast Boy 👀

these.. horrifying things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNx92nh7FXo

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Minecraft: The Lost Mobs: Rana, [Black] Steve, Beast Boy [HD] - length 2m 18s - 1,335 likes, 206 dislikes (86.6%) - 460,695 views - theclipreaper on 2011.04.11

[unreal quarry]

beast boy is actually removed from the game

giants code is still sitting there

[austere ivy]

I know please don't re-add beast boy

Wait giant's code is still there?

[unreal quarry]

yes

do /summon giant

they dont spawn naturally, and they have no AI

AI was removed in 1.8 i think

[austere ivy]

Huh.

How'd you re-add their AI?

Is it just sitting there too?

[unreal quarry]

just added same pathfinders the zombie uses

[limber knot]

Code custom AI

[austere ivy]

Ah okay, sounds good!

[static badge]

it looks like md69 fixed ur sign issue billy

[unreal quarry]

which one?

[static badge]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/Spigot-Server-Patches/0438-Fix-NPE-from-sign-placement.patch

[unreal quarry]

that's cat's fix

[static badge]

pfft

[unreal quarry]

my fix was different

[static badge]

oops

well it's fixed

last patch

[unreal quarry]

he also uses EntityTypes everywhere to spawn new mobs. i think he was window shopping in paper's patches for 1.14

and the patch that exposed EntityItem stuff he took too

i'm sure theres more. i only looked at ~70 patches last night

[austere ivy]

Well you folks are never finding my server >:D

[unreal quarry]

i've been on your server

[austere ivy]

No you haven't

[unreal quarry]

wait, i'm thinking of someone else

i forgot his name now

[austere ivy]

I think yeah lol

[unreal quarry]

he runs a space server

[static badge]

there we go

now we can rebase

[unreal quarry]

\o/

inb4 explosions

[limber knot]

TehMCserver.org

can you rebase yourself to become a better person

[static badge]

can u rebase urself to not be a filthy weeb

[austere ivy]

Actually yeah I once made a server I think I called it TehMC or something.

[limber knot]

you may take away my filth but you'll never take away my waifus

[austere ivy]

My Discord server used to be called TehServer, now it's TehBrian's Discord server, lol.

[static badge]

waifus

[austere ivy]

My WIP Java Swing chat is called TehChat ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[static badge]

let's see where we fail to compile

[austere ivy]

inb4 it compiles

[quasi valley]

that are some nice syntax errors haha

[austere ivy]

Billy, how about I show you my server and in return you show me yours

[quasi valley]

sounds like you're going to pull your pants down

[austere ivy]

rebase yourself

[quasi valley]

[austere ivy]

https://i.redd.it/tkofsvh9edw21.png

whoa

[unreal quarry]

hmm... its odd riding a giant and it cant walk up 1 block tall walls... thinks of a good step_height to set