general

[austere ivy]

so.

[tropic flame]

Home edition is trash

[austere ivy]

NOSSR50

[atomic marten]

[austere ivy]

Did you seriously not know that Windows does that!?

lOL

[strange bane]

On any Windows device I get I always reinstall with Pro.

[stiff yarrow]

no why would I know that

[austere ivy]

Yeah they just install stuff on your pc without your consent.

[woven otter]

what's that script

[tardy lynx]

You know what's useful? Being able to access file servers from the build in file manager

[austere ivy]

Which is why I'm literally never using Windows.

[static badge]

ah rust

[austere ivy]

It's awful.

[static badge]

what awful syntax

[austere ivy]

Plus I don't like everything I do being spied on by Microsoft :>

[strange bane]

Windows has a lot of downsides, but it's less than every other OS which is why it's still the best one.

[atomic marten]

use windows to-go

[tropic flame]

Lol you get spied by apple same thing

[strange bane]

triggers everyones xD

[atomic marten]

windows to-go doesnt install that much crap

[austere ivy]

Support open source, Support diversity, and Support NOT WINDOWS.

[stiff yarrow]

[austere ivy]

Use Linux.

We can start a change.

[cosmic raft]

@stiff yarrow https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/571108579982180362

powershell

as administrator

[austere ivy]

Seriously, how do you expect games to be made for Linux if you don't use Linux!?

[tropic flame]

Lol set program files to read only so windows doesn't install things without consent anymore

Problem solved

[stiff yarrow]

@cosmic raft is that a batch script

[static badge]

wtf uninstalling stickynotes?

[austere ivy]

anywho I'mana try to see how far 500$ can get me.

[tropic flame]

And yes I'm obviously joking

[cosmic raft]

no, powershell

[static badge]

that shit is the bomb wtf

[cosmic raft]

as I just said

[tardy lynx]

I don't really play any games so...

[atomic marten]

, but it's less than every other OS which is why it's still the best one. im curious on what problems would make you say this

[tardy lynx]

and also WINE exists

[stiff yarrow]

powershell

[austere ivy]

What's a good midranged CPU, folks?

[cosmic raft]

yes

[atomic marten]

cloud game

[static badge]

a ryzen 2600

[cosmic raft]

Intul e8-1337Q

[austere ivy]

Ryzen 5 2600

[tardy lynx]

ryzen

[austere ivy]

Spottedleaf, my man! :D

I like you.

[stiff yarrow]

the fuck is this

[tardy lynx]

00:03am

[static badge]

powershell

[atomic marten]

ew

[cosmic raft]

powershell

[austere ivy]

Alright, ryzen 5 2600..

What else.

[woven otter]

time to execute scripts from the internet

[atomic marten]

you can have powershell on linux

[strange bane]

I wasn't being completely serious @atomic marten. Windows is just my favourite desktop OS.

[stiff yarrow]

how long has this thing existed

[cosmic raft]

long

[austere ivy]

Does 2600 come with a good CPU cooler?

[upper flicker]

since 7

[tardy lynx]

i3-8100

[static badge]

long time

[woven otter]

powershell is garbage

[cosmic raft]

no

[strange bane]

You can change the background colour.

[static badge]

annoying since it replaces my fucking command prompt in right click

[cosmic raft]

powershell was available for xp

[upper flicker]

oof

[static badge]

and you can't fucking change that

[upper flicker]

the one that shipped with 7 was crap

[strange bane]

You can change that back @static badge.

[atomic marten]

just use pwoershell on linux

[upper flicker]

wonder how bad the XP versions were

[strange bane]

It's a registry edit though, not a GUI option. 😛

[atomic marten]

*powershell

[upper flicker]

why on earth would you use it on linux though

[woven otter]

just use linux instead

[upper flicker]

like I tolerate it on windows because its not cancer like cmd

[static badge]

use python instead

[upper flicker]

and I cant be arsed to install shit everywhere

[cosmic raft]

powershell has been around since 14/11/2006

approx.

[atomic marten]

use bash on windows

[woven otter]

unplug power cord instead

[austere ivy]

What motherboard, folks?

[tardy lynx]

use terminal on linux lol

[atomic marten]

use alacritty

[woven otter]

Use hammer on computer

[austere ivy]

msi b450 tomahawk seems very highly reviewed.

[stiff yarrow]

@austere ivy 8700k

[austere ivy]

I don't like MSI though ,_,

[atomic marten]

alacritty + vim = love

[austere ivy]

nossr I'm asking for a motherboard silly

[tardy lynx]

DDR4-3000

[strange bane]

Yeah, the 8700K my ASUS is my favourite one too.

[stiff yarrow]

@austere ivy https://www.cdw.com/product/MSI-Z370-GAMING-PLUS-motherboard-ATX-LGA1151-Socket-Z370/4886895?cm_cat=google&cm_ite=4886895&cm_pla=NA-NA-MSI COMPUTER CORP_EC&cm_ven=acquirgy&ef_id=CjwKCAjwtYXmBRAOEiwAYsyl3H_PiW92Oo6WupjXjltef01bQzQ-QIJ9fc48Q3op3yv_pvCqsD3eYRoCMWMQAvD_BwE:G:s&gclid=CjwKCAjwtYXmBRAOEiwAYsyl3H_PiW92Oo6WupjXjltef01bQzQ-QIJ9fc48Q3op3yv_pvCqsD3eYRoCMWMQAvD_BwE&s_kwcid=AL!4223!3!198553132284!!!g!338368422464! this is the one I have

[tardy lynx]

i have Z87 or something

[cosmic raft]

that link

is pure

cancer

[tardy lynx]

minecraft won't tell me so idk

[stiff yarrow]

cpuz

[strange bane]

Make all your links shorter with --> http://lsfy.us/

[stiff yarrow]

@tardy lynx https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

[austere ivy]

@stiff yarrow nice

[tardy lynx]

ik what it is lol

[tardy lynx]

but fsr minecraft doesn't say motherboard

[vestal jasper]

install gentoo

[stiff yarrow]

@austere ivy https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MPG-Z390-LGA1151-Motherboard/dp/B07HMG1XP7/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=msi+z370&qid=1556233692&s=electronics&sr=1-3 this is not the exact one I have but a newer model

[woven otter]

install templeos

[vestal jasper]

[stiff yarrow]

@tardy lynx

[atomic marten]

Gentoo is nice

[static badge]

ah templeos

[vestal jasper]

leaf ur retarded

[cosmic raft]

[static badge]

wat wam u got nossr

is it fast wam

[tardy lynx]

I have the ASRock Z87M Extreme4

[woven otter]

what os you got leafman

[stiff yarrow]

@static badge low end ddr4

[static badge]

ripperoni

[austere ivy]

reeeeeEEEEEEE

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nYVLdX

I don't even have a case or PSU yet and it's already 580$

[tardy lynx]

I have DDR3 1600

[austere ivy]

How is this possible!??!

[woven otter]

leafos

[vestal jasper]

wat

[tardy lynx]

lol graphics card

just use integrated for a development pc

[stiff yarrow]

ya

[austere ivy]

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/hXzKHx/entry-level-intel-gaming-build

how's this

I do not like it already

HDDs are gross

[stiff yarrow]

@austere ivy building a mid range gamer rig is usually around 700~ I'd go for 900 for the sweet spot tho

[tardy lynx]

£300 for me xD

[atomic marten]

i need to get better single thread performance

[strange bane]

You guys in the US don't know how lucky you are. 😛

[austere ivy]

hhmmmm nossr50 that's out of my price range.

[stiff yarrow]

@atomic marten turn off HT EZ

[tardy lynx]

I got pretty good single-thread performance

[austere ivy]

I'm aiming for 500-300

[tardy lynx]

USD?

[atomic marten]

i didnt even think of that

[austere ivy]

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/GFLrxr/entry-level-amd-gaming-build this minus the HDD and SSD since I already have those could be a good choice

[stiff yarrow]

@atomic marten I always turn off HT for single thread intensive apps

like dorf fortress

or emulation

[tardy lynx]

@austere ivy https://www.ebay.com/

[atomic marten]

should help with my wine games

[strange bane]

I bet Dolphin runs beautifully for you @stiff yarrow.

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane dolphin ran great on my old cpu

[tardy lynx]

Dolphin runs great for me lol

[stiff yarrow]

so I can imagine it'd run even better

[tardy lynx]

single-thread

I could host a minecraft server quite well lol

[strange bane]

My phone can run Dolphin better than my computer can.

[stiff yarrow]

[strange bane]

It can play a good handful of games at 60, my computer struggles. xD

[tardy lynx]

or whatever other single-thread stuff there is

autotune is single-thread

[stiff yarrow]

I leave HT on otherwise because having the extra threads is nice

[tardy lynx]

What's HT lol

[strange bane]

Wait, why would you want to turn it off?

Hyperthreading

[static badge]

hyper threading

[tardy lynx]

i know

I mean I don't have it on my cpu

[strange bane]

Oh lol

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane it basically doubles the power of your threads

[tardy lynx]

I had it on my old cpu

[atomic marten]

ill just buy a higher core CPU and disable HT

[stiff yarrow]

I turn it off all the time

[static badge]

no it does not double the power

[austere ivy]

Hmm.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pxZvr6

How's this looking so far?

[stiff yarrow]

@static badge it significantly increases it

[strange bane]

I didn't even know you could turn it off.

[tropic flame]

Hey anyone with decent PCs, is hardware acceleration worth anything? Since my computer sucks I disable it on programs like discord because it lags when it's on

[tardy lynx]

drop the graphics card lol

[stiff yarrow]

its most noticeable with emulation

[static badge]

it's a noticeable increase

[stiff yarrow]

emulation with HT on = 🤢

[atomic marten]

yes, hardware acceleration is worth something

[strange bane]

I'd take more threads over more powerful cores any day though.

[austere ivy]

@tardy lynx who are you talking to

[tardy lynx]

you

[austere ivy]

why

[tardy lynx]

is this for gaming or development?

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane that's why you turn it off or on as needed

[austere ivy]

gaming

,_,

[stiff yarrow]

[austere ivy]

and development

,-,

[strange bane]

Is it that easy?

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane its incredibly easy

[tropic flame]

Alright then

[stiff yarrow]

especially if you just save bios profiles

[static badge]

it's basically a bios option

[atomic marten]

need more async

[static badge]

"enable HT"

[stiff yarrow]

its literally an on off switch

[atomic marten]

banned

come back with a switch

[strange bane]

If it were a control panel that would be amazing.

[tardy lynx]

I overclocked the crap out of intel hd

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane overclocking also dramatically increases emulation performance, which is about the only time I OC

[tardy lynx]

1.1GHz -> 1.65GHz

1.2V

then I have 4GHz on the cpu with 1.0V

[strange bane]

IDK if I'd wanna decrease my CPU's life

[limber knot]

I dont overclock normally

[stiff yarrow]

my old cpu I did 3.2ghz to 4.5ghz

[strange bane]

That's a big step

[stiff yarrow]

I saved the stable overclock as a bios profile

turned it off when I didn't need it

[limber knot]

just have an auto overclock setup, and thats about it

i underclock my laptop

[tardy lynx]

I overclocked my laptop cpu lol

[stiff yarrow]

I haven't bothered overclocking this cpu yet

[limber knot]

underclock it barty

[stiff yarrow]

the worst part of a new overclock is finding the stable voltage settings

[orchid pelican]

i dont run my overfclokc on my ryzen 7 2700x

[limber knot]

lol

[tardy lynx]

2.4 1-core turbo, 2.9 2-core turbo -> 3.1 both cores

[limber knot]

its a booktop!

hey its the only good use of a textbook

other than tv stands and pillows

[tardy lynx]

U-series cpu

[stiff yarrow]

more or less idle temps

[tardy lynx]

it goes to like 60C under load

[strange bane]

I have plans to build a computer soon, so this is all going to be useful info @stiff yarrow.

[tardy lynx]

lol downloading a program to measure temperature

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane for many generations now the i7 k processors have been super overclockable

take any i7 and you can at least do 1ghz oc

[strange bane]

Do you water cool?

[tardy lynx]

ubuntu thingy

[stiff yarrow]

no

[tardy lynx]

no

[stiff yarrow]

water cooling aint worth it

not unless you spend $$

[tardy lynx]

£18 air cooler

I have a GT 1030 lol but I don't have it plugged in

[strange bane]

My budget is about $1.1K and I don't care for GPUs because I'm not a gamer so will probably get a really good CPU.

[tardy lynx]

don't get a gfx card if you don't need a gfx card

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane if you live in USA building a pc is cheap

[strange bane]

Yeah, I don't. : /

Super jealous of you guys.

[tardy lynx]

I know a place in UK where I can get really cheap parts

[strange bane]

CeX xD

[tardy lynx]

£80 for i5-4670K

£200 for i7-8700K

£25 for 16GB DDR4

£6 for 500GB HDD

[tropic flame]

Ok I've seen everything, dude comes in ViaVersion support discord, says plugin doesn't appear in /pl, then tells me he didn't put it in the plugins folder but in a "pingspoofing" folder because his girlfriend told him to

What the fuck

[tardy lynx]

yes

yes

but for cpu and ram it doesn't make a difference

HDD and SSD used parts won't last as long used

my HDDs have 4-5 years of ontime

but £12 for 2 so can't really complain

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane if you want a good pc for emulation with overclocking in mind then https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DkLKw6

[tardy lynx]

emulating what lol

It's UK everything is cheap

[stiff yarrow]

america has best deals on parts

[tardy lynx]

£1.20 for 48 teabags

[strange bane]

M.2 is quite a decent increase from SATA right?

[tardy lynx]

£3 for 5 large easter eggs

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane not worth it

@strange bane I have m2

@strange bane the difference is so subtle

[void void]

but you guys like tea

[strange bane]

Ah okay thanks for the heads up.

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane go m2 if you have the cash tho

[tardy lynx]

£1 for 6 giant crumpets

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane make sure you get m2 nvme and not m2 sata bullshit

[wraith oracle]

Why did you mention him in each message lol

[tardy lynx]

£240,000,000 for a delayed brexit

[strange bane]

Anyone know if PCPartsPicker has a button to switch to UK pricing/suppliers?

[tardy lynx]

yea

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/

[strange bane]

Oh wow adding "uk." actually worked.

[tardy lynx]

top right corner too

[strange bane]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DkLKw6

[stiff yarrow]

@strange bane if you're in uk its gonna probably cost quite a bit more

[strange bane]

That's a lot cheaper than I was expecting.

[oak fractal]

there should be a button in the top right corner to switch countries

[stiff yarrow]

wtf'

[tardy lynx]

unless you buy stuff from a dodgy alleyway like me

[stiff yarrow]

UK IS AMAZING

[tardy lynx]

ikr

[stiff yarrow]

converted thats like 1000 usd

uk is building your own pc mecca

[strange bane]

That's usually not the case, the US usually has it better

[tardy lynx]

£200 for an 8700K lol

[tardy lynx]

It's late for me, Imma go now

[strange bane]

o /

[tropic flame]

Cya

[strange bane]

1x 16GB vs 2x 8GB?

[tardy lynx]

1x leaves more room for expansion. 2x is faster

12GB

you can get away with 8 most of the time

ait Imma actually go now

o/

[static badge]

8

once ran 8gb

[stiff yarrow]

make your money online and you bypass your countries economic limitations @spare venture

[static badge]

regretted that

[strange bane]

Oh lol @stiff yarrow look at that UK PCPartsPicker again

[stiff yarrow]

?

link

the old link is same

[strange bane]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DkLKw6

No, I didn't change anything

[strange bane]

There's a reason it's much cheaper

You can't buy the GPU in the UK so it ahs no price

[stiff yarrow]

why

LOL

wow

okay

uk sucks

[strange bane]

xD

Thought something was up

[stiff yarrow]

pick out a gpu you can buy

and see

[strange bane]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/d7hxw6

Cheapest alternative 1070 8GB

[stiff yarrow]

wasn't a 1070 on the list originally

[strange bane]

..?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DkLKw6

It is for me

[strange bane]

Ugh my DynMap render is already 50GBs and it's not even close to finishing

[unreal quarry]

damn @stiff yarrow idk what you're doing wrong... 1.12 vanilla gives me 400 fps, 1.13 vanilla 800fps, 1.13 optifine 800 fps, 1.14 idk yet (waiting for paper so my experience doesnt get ruined by spigot bugs) All on Debian with proprietary nvidia drivers, and view distance set to 32

[daring gulch]

Low q render?

[stiff yarrow]

@unreal quarry I'm not doing anything wrong billy

its just some hardware specific shit

might even be windows specific

[limber knot]

Single player performance is worse when on 1.14 for me compared to 1.13 vanilla

[unreal quarry]

yeah, i mean, well, you aint doing something right 😛

those numbers are bad

^_^

[stiff yarrow]

that would imply fault on my end

[unreal quarry]

lets just blame windows

its usually their fault anyways

[stiff yarrow]

most likely its probably an issue exclusive to windows

[limber knot]

whats the problem, i missed it >.<

[stiff yarrow]

the only thing that runs poorly is 1.13 vanilla

the other ones are fine

[limber knot]

wat

[unreal quarry]

his client tanks on fps when others with similar gpu as him gets double fps

[stiff yarrow]

double? much higher than that billy

[limber knot]

i get 1/2 the frames on 1.14 that i have on 1.13

[stiff yarrow]

I'm getting 5-6x my own FPS in other versions of MC

[unreal quarry]

double, nossr. 400 -> 800 is double 😉

[stiff yarrow]

Oh you're talking about that

[unreal quarry]

you're the first person with a decent gpu thats reported otherwise that i've seen

[stiff yarrow]

I consider that a small issue

300 fps is fine

well I'm gonna install linux sometime and I'll see how my fps is with that

[unreal quarry]

be sure to get the proprietary drivers

that noveau driver is shit

[stiff yarrow]

yeah I will

[limber knot]

I get way better frames on linux than i do on windows

[strange bane]

@daring gulch it looks too good at max though

https://mctraveler.eu/map/

I like how the zoom goes a little further than you'd want it to xD

[unreal quarry]

hey @stiff yarrow https://i.imgur.com/fPEZ3EJ.png

runs

[stiff yarrow]

?

[unreal quarry]

27,000 fps lol

[static badge]

not surprised it is relatively simple to render that :>

[cosmic raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLxSUKA--Dg

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) The Sopranos Opening Theme (High Definition) - length 1m 38s - 6,328 likes, 101 dislikes (98.4%) - 975,954 views - acer_16 on 2009.06.25

... i just realized I haven't been using the openGL environment variables to improve perofmance..

[cosmic raft]

okay

I've heard of ABC, NBC, CNN, etc

wtf is TBC

[unreal quarry]

to be continued...

[cosmic raft]

no

.g tbc tv

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.somersethouse.org.uk/whats-on/tbctv -- TBCTV | Somerset House: "Transforming Somerset House's Lancaster Rooms into a mock television studio, TBCTV presented rolling coverage across its six TV channels showing a..."

[cosmic raft]

it's some weird network apparently

[unreal quarry]

maybe they specialize in shows ending in cliff hangers

[cosmic raft]

there's also TBS apparently

.g tbs tv

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.tbs.com/ -- TBS Home Page | TBS.com: "... Live TV · Schedule · Shop · My Profile · TNT Spotlight · TBS.com logo. TNT.com logo. .... By using this site, you agree to TBS's Terms of Use and..."

[limber knot]

after setting _GL_THREADED_OPTIMIZATION and using Feral gamemode, i can get 1.14 to be close to the 1k frames i get in 1.13

[void void]

windows IS the best distro

[limber knot]

i only get 200 frames on windows

so using shaders or any texturepacks is out

[static badge]

mfw a budget of 200 frames

you will run out of those fast

[unreal quarry]

hmmm - ok, i'm firing up 1.14 single player world just to see my fps

[static badge]

yeah imma test this too

[unreal quarry]

wth is this?! https://i.imgur.com/bNsSM4W.png

its like a growing cancer

[static badge]

it is cancer

[unreal quarry]

ok, still about 800 fps for me https://i.imgur.com/Xf1g8hA.png

[limber knot]

that was my reaction too billy

[static badge]

new loading screen looks nice though

[limber knot]

looks like a cpu

did you compare the same world between 1.13 and 1.14 with both being on default settings

[unreal quarry]

i just started a new world and uncapped my fps

i'll load a 1.13 world

[limber knot]

interesting

[unreal quarry]

nice they offer backups now https://i.imgur.com/JxIZcqi.png

909fps https://i.imgur.com/SMwe9uw.png

[strange bane]

I actually like the loading animation

[unreal quarry]

thats better than 1.13 lol

[limber knot]

Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/0f4f4876239df9ea9426187766596a17/image.png

[strange bane]

@stiff yarrow you've been scammed

[limber knot]

thats with gamemode + gl env set

[strange bane]

These guys aren't even close to matching your hardware but have way better FPS

[static badge]

loaded same world basically the same fps

[unreal quarry]

whoa

[limber knot]

you should try on fullscreen. It will make a difference

[unreal quarry]

i looked down...

https://i.imgur.com/E8WyQRK.png

[limber knot]

my fps is garbage on windows

[unreal quarry]

1150fps 😮

[austere ivy]

Billy.

1150 FPS?

[strange bane]

OpenJDK is that much better than Orcale's @atomic marten?

[static badge]

no

[limber knot]

i just installed a random version of java tbh

[coarse urchin]

cries in my 2 fps

[unreal quarry]

1230 @austere ivy https://i.imgur.com/frHX20m.png

\o/

[static badge]

only reason I use openjdk over oracle's is oracle's requires you to sign up on their site or some dumb shit to download the installer

[unreal quarry]

ok, loving 1.14

[austere ivy]

Billy, how much $$$ did that make?

[unreal quarry]

dances

[austere ivy]

take*

Your computer?

[strange bane]

Is there a disadvantage to OpenJDK?

[unreal quarry]

its a 5 year old gtx970

[limber knot]

i lose 200 frames at 1440p fullscreen

[austere ivy]

billy I have a 9 year old integraped gpu

[limber knot]

supposedly openjdk is actually worse for minecraft

[static badge]

any benches?

[coarse urchin]

I had performance boost with openjdk and openj9

[strange bane]

Minecraft no longer requires installing Java on Windows not sure if that's the same on Linux.

[upper flicker]

Not since 6 or 7

As of 8 they ought to be pretty close

[limber knot]

there is a native launcher if you get it through lutris

[austere ivy]

@unreal quarry

[unreal quarry]

1204 fps at fullscreen 1080p https://i.imgur.com/a7fXPdD.png

[limber knot]

look up

xD

[unreal quarry]

https://i.imgur.com/ra5VoEp.png

1418

[austere ivy]

@unreal quarry

[limber knot]

interestingly enough, running guildwars2 doesnt effect my minecraft frames

[unreal quarry]

wat

[austere ivy]

320M

[unreal quarry]

28/14?

wth

its making you math

[austere ivy]

no uh I think

like

28 fps

14 of those were uh

dropped? let me see.

I have no idae

just take it as 28

And this is on my server, which is a void world.

So in a void world I get 28 FPS :D

How's this looking?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q8ZPCb

[strange bane]

28/14 (2) is the actual FPS and 28 is the interpolated FPS

[unreal quarry]

dont ask me. i'm out of touch with pc components. my rig is 5 years old

[strange bane]

(Not serious obviously :P)

[austere ivy]

Billy, your rig is amazing.

How much did it cost?

[frosty plank]

@austere ivy what do you plan to do with your build?

[strange bane]

His sanity.

[unreal quarry]

~$2k?

idk, wasnt too much

[austere ivy]

Holy GUAC.

That's a LOT.

[strange bane]

It's way less today Brian.

[austere ivy]

Yeah probably.

[strange bane]

That hardware is pretty old.

[austere ivy]

Still, that's a nice computer compared to mine.

Uh, I plan to game, Minecraft, CS:GO, Terraria, basically anything I can get my hands on, but not like super modern games

[unreal quarry]

the trick is to stop buying laptops

[austere ivy]

but I need it to be able to work in a developer stance place hting

thing

[unreal quarry]

buy desktop components and build one yourself

[austere ivy]

Minecraft client, server, IntelliJ, and web browsers with multiple tabs at the same time.

Billy I've always stuck to that.

[frosty plank]

i don't know about CS:GO, but I guess it'll handle it

[austere ivy]

I always advise everyone to build their own PC.

But I don't have $$$ to do so myself.

I guide others to a treasure I cannot possess.

[unreal quarry]

aren't you too young to even have a job?

it gets easier when you have a job 😉

[austere ivy]

Probably, lol.

Too young to have a job, but old enough to be driving on the road 😉

[frosty plank]

building a PC is a great experience

[austere ivy]

Oh wait, doesn't McDonalds hire at 14 years old?

Anywho, yeah, I would never buy a prebuilt or a laptop.

[limber knot]

sometimes when you are just looking for a cheap pc, building isnt always better

[austere ivy]

Incorrect, but that was correct at a time, Fuzen.

[unreal quarry]

oh noes! my fps just dropped to 800 because rain

lol

[austere ivy]

My FPS drops to 10 in rain, haha.

[limber knot]

its still true today sometimes, depending on when you are buying the hardware

[austere ivy]

Ever been to MicroCenter?

[strange bane]

./norain

[austere ivy]

./weather clear 10000000

[unreal quarry]

you can easily get away with a $300 refurb and slap a $300 gpu in there

would blow your laptop out of the water

[austere ivy]

this 300$ thing would already blow my laptop out of the water

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q8ZPCb

"blowing my laptop out of the water" is pretty low standards considering this is a 9 year old laptop, haha.

.. and it's a macbook.

[unreal quarry]

eww

[austere ivy]

yeah, so I just have a hard time literally doing anything.

sometimes this freezes just watching.

ACTUALLY FUN FACY.

FACT*

I can't watch youtube videos on this above 480p.

It starts freezing if you go 720p and onwards.

[atomic marten]

Remember when you could play Minecraft on a Mac and not lag like crazy

[austere ivy]

But I have another 2012 Macbook Pro at home, and that's a 3210m with 8 gigs of ram.

and an SSD too.

It can handle me playing Minecraft at 60 FPS, and a server at the same time, which is nice.

[atomic marten]

Wtf

[austere ivy]

Yeah no kidding, I don't know how it does it.

You know what's weird? The fans never spin, but it never gets hot.

[atomic marten]

My 2018 MacBook doesn’t even get 30

[austere ivy]

Like seriously, I'm 1. listening to music 2. running a server and 3. playing MC at 60 fps and the fans don't even spin.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[atomic marten]

Are you still on MacOS?

[austere ivy]

Yeah.

That one's on Mojave.

This one's on uh.. High Sierra

(this one being the awful one)

[atomic marten]

Wha-

[austere ivy]

Yeah, 2012 is barely outside of the zone to get Mojave.

[atomic marten]

It’s sad I get more frames in csgo than Minecraft

On my MacBook

[austere ivy]

Yeah ;c

Well Minecraft is pretty intensive.. strangely.

[atomic marten]

I thought it was slow on all macs from the ultra dated OpenGL

[unreal quarry]

lmao https://i.imgur.com/92LLHYx.png

[austere ivy]

That's true.

It's..

Mac's aren't good for anything

[static badge]

macs are good for being useless

[crystal compass]

lul

world forceupgrading isn't incrementing

hmm

[austere ivy]

Windows is good for gaming, and about everything. Linux is great at being a lot faster than Windows, way less bloat, and they're starting to get good for gaming with Steam's whatever-it-scalled

You know, Macs are actually good for one thing.

When you don't need a lot of power, (this is ignoring the price, they are SUPER overpriced) you have to admit they're very user friendly.

[vestal jasper]

Steam Proton

[austere ivy]

You can expect to pay the (outrageous) price, and get a laptop that will just work for you, y'know?

If you don't need much power, that is.

[vestal jasper]

Also it's much nicer to dev on linux

[austere ivy]

For rich

[vestal jasper]

Have fun spending an entire hour setting up node gyp on windows

[austere ivy]

Unfortunately though..

FL Studio is only on mac or windows.

So I guess I'll keep my macs for some reason! :D

One thing I'm never going to do is Windows, though. I consider (os wise) Windows to be below Mac, and Mac below Linux, because for my priorities, I grew up with Mac so I don't miss any games that I never had, and Linux is getting better for gaming, and windows has SO MUCH bloat.

Candy Crush Saga without you downloading it, same with Skype, and all the telemetry

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q8ZPCb

That looks good, honestly.

I'm just waiting to take the plunge on buying a PC though.

I like being able to take my laptop anywhere, though. That's nice.

[carmine hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/542907073680113675/570941159636205618/B4FB8E7F-2607-41AB-A257-D474811C1A92.gif

[strange bane]

[00:55:16 ERROR]: Chunk file at -505,-7 is in the wrong location; relocating. (Expected -505, -7, got -512, -15) is this something to worry about? xD

[austere ivy]

@everyone

[atomic marten]

might as well check my minecraft frames in the cloud :^)

[unreal quarry]

i wonder... yesterday i found out i can pin messages... should i test if i can @ everyone today?

[atomic marten]

it warns you if you can actually use it normally

[unreal quarry]

aww, thats no fun

@everyone

[unreal quarry]

cant tell if worked or not

lol

assuming it didnt work because chat isnt blowing up with angry people

[vestal jasper]

it didn't

if it did you 100% would've known by now

[atomic marten]

it would be yellow for you as well

[vestal jasper]

you'd get at least 5 angry emotes pretty much instantly

[strange bane]

"You're about to @​everyone in a server with 500+ members. Are you really sure about that?"

[unreal quarry]

i still dont understand why thats such a big deal

never before has it been a big deal, until discord

[strange bane]

People don't like mobile notifications.

[unreal quarry]

any other thing that lets you ping everyone its perfectly fine on

[vestal jasper]

just swipe right lol

It's not hard to clear

[unreal quarry]

protip: there's a client setting to not get pinged on everyone

[atomic marten]

waiting on minecraft to download with gigabit internet is sad

[fallen wren]

people get seriously PO when people use it, thats why discord added it

i dont mind, just hate it when I get 100 pings from a troll

[unreal quarry]

added? pretty sure it was always there https://i.imgur.com/UN02BA2.png

[fallen wren]

no im talking about the warning message before you do it

[unreal quarry]

yeah, but why does it need a warning? lol

[vestal jasper]

The warning only makes it more fun to do

[unreal quarry]

thats my point

[fallen wren]

im thinking its to prevent people from spamming it

[unreal quarry]

the people that dont want it have the option to turn it off

[strange bane]

There's two warnings, are you sure -> yes -> are you really sure? -> yes

[atomic marten]

lel

#cloudgaming

[unreal quarry]

why is your java so ooooold?

[atomic marten]

thats what the bundled minecraft installer gives you

its garbage

[vestal jasper]

mc bundles a modified version of j8_51

[unreal quarry]

they updated their bundle? used to be _25

[atomic marten]

Protip: Dont use shadow.tech cloud gamign servers

[vestal jasper]

Iirc they said they haven't updated due to jvm bugs

[fleet osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464860004466556928/571142169226641438/SmartSelect_20190425-211402_Twitter.jpg

kek

[atomic marten]

dont pay $35usd a month just for 400frames smh

[unreal quarry]

the only jvm bug is them minimizing it too much. there is still an open jira ticket about world taking too long to load and timing players out (i traced it down to it hanging trying to find a java class thats not in the bundle)

[atomic marten]

not many frames for your buck

[vestal jasper]

It will be changed when we can get it working on most systems. There's a bunch of nasty issues like specific intel CPUs not working with any java > 8_161```
~Dinnerbone (1 year ago)

[unreal quarry]

@spare venture https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/571133526481698817

so everything up to 161 works fine, but they stuck with 51

lol

[vestal jasper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/88xrn8/minecraft_still_uses_java_8_meanwhile_im_sitting/dwopnyc/

[austere ivy]

Hi folks.

[vestal jasper]

Yeah why not bump up to 160 then

[austere ivy]

I started a gofundme.

[static badge]

you can change it yourself in the launcher so

I use j11

[vestal jasper]

Yes but like

[austere ivy]

people will donate for me to get a better pc, right?

[vestal jasper]

j8_51

[austere ivy]

/s

LOL

WAIT

Okay, so.

[unreal quarry]

i can donate some screenshots of my superior fps @austere ivy for motivational support

[austere ivy]

I was kidding about me making a gofundme for a better pc.. but

https://www.gofundme.com/mvc.php?route=homepage_norma/search&term=better pc

[static badge]

https://java.com/en/download/faq/release_dates.xml

[atomic marten]

hey, you can try setting up a donation for it, ive seen people manage it

[austere ivy]

180 donated!?

75 raised!?

But then again.. 1400 results, lol.

[static badge]

Java 8 Update 51 CPU July 14, 2015

[strange bane]

Why does Eclipse still exist? 😛

[austere ivy]

1400 with 0 dollars raised.

[strange bane]

I've never used Netbeans so I don't know how that compares to IntelliJ.

[static badge]

why are you surprised on a site dedicated to ebegging has ebeggers on it? :>

[unreal quarry]

we cant get rid of all the shit in the world, @strange bane, otherwise we wouldnt know what is not shit

[atomic marten]

just stream and put a donation thing there, you can get donations easier that way

[tardy lynx]

I just switched to intellij lol

[crystal compass]

lul i cant even get in game on my server

using spigot 1.14

[strange bane]

So it's not just me then?

1.14 Spigot is really slow.

[tardy lynx]

It's spigot and it's a new update

[austere ivy]

lol

@atomic marten

am I gonna stream with my 2 fps?

[crystal compass]

developmental build, more like unuseable build

😄

[austere ivy]

maybe I should become a camgirl 👀

[strange bane]

I've tried.

[atomic marten]

pay $35 a month for cloud gaming then

[austere ivy]

Like anyone would donate ,_,

[atomic marten]

just hope your net can handle the cloud gaming

[crystal compass]

im currently trrying to update my main server to it

not goin well

[tardy lynx]

lol I can record/stream at 1080p60

[austere ivy]

10mbps up 100mbps down

lol

[tardy lynx]

with intlel hd

[austere ivy]

nice up lol

[atomic marten]

ye should be fine

[strange bane]

@crystal compass to the dev builds?!

[tardy lynx]

20 up 70 down

[unreal quarry]

spigot is always slow. this is not new to anyone of us. just wait for paper. paper always gets it right 😉

[tardy lynx]

paper's still pretty slow

[strange bane]

electroniccat is working hard on that 1.14 update.

Paper's compiles now?

[tardy lynx]

started lagging after 22 players on 1.13

[atomic marten]

on a serious note, if you dont want to wait, some of the pc builders let you pay it in increments

[static badge]

no paper does not compile currently

[strange bane]

That's on you @tardy lynx

[atomic marten]

its interpreted now

[static badge]

for 1.14 specifically

[strange bane]

No issues for me with 22 players.

[atomic marten]

paper is now written in haskell

[unreal quarry]

no issues for me with 38 players on 1.13

[tardy lynx]

it's really old hardware though

[static badge]

paper was always written in cancer

[tardy lynx]

cuz noone donates

[unreal quarry]

so its your server, not paper 😛

blame shifter

runs

[tardy lynx]

being single threaded doesn't help too

anyway I deleted it now so no more lag I guess

[atomic marten]

hey, i know the perfect thing for amazing single threaded server performance

[austere ivy]

So..

I want a better computer.

For that, I need $$$.

For that, I need to stream and put a donation box.

[stiff yarrow]

do freelance like the rest of us

[austere ivy]

For that, I need a good computer.

[stiff yarrow]

you tennen boke

[austere ivy]

For that, I need $$$.

[atomic marten]

Try using this @tardy lynx
https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode

[austere ivy]

For that, I need to become a camgirl 👀

[stiff yarrow]

you won't get any money from streaming

[tardy lynx]

lol

[stiff yarrow]

plus you aren't even old enough to stream

[austere ivy]

pfft

[tardy lynx]

I'm working on something

[austere ivy]

Wait what's the age?

[atomic marten]

13

[austere ivy]

Yeah I'm old enough.

barely 😅

[unreal quarry]

he said 13, not 8

[austere ivy]

(just kidding)

[unreal quarry]

runs

[atomic marten]

you cant get donations at 13

[austere ivy]

(hahahahhaaaaa.a..a

[austere ivy]

)

[strange bane]

What is the output?

[austere ivy]

IT'S 1

[tardy lynx]

I'm coding a minecraft server

[austere ivy]

WOW I'M SO INTELLIGENT lol no wait

[atomic marten]

your parents would be the one getting it until you are 18

[austere ivy]

wait a second

[atomic marten]

you actually arent allowed to shop online if you arent 18

legally anyways

[tardy lynx]

hehe

[austere ivy]

I would think the first declared.. one? No.

Actually no.

It wouldn't compile.

[unreal quarry]

protip: everything is legal, unless you get caught

[austere ivy]

Would it?

[atomic marten]

[austere ivy]

I have no idea <-<

[strange bane]

@unreal quarry any ideas?

[austere ivy]

I highly doubt it'll compile since varargs.. would.. interfere..

[static badge]

it's too ambiguous to tell

if I had to take a guess at which one it would be the int one

but I'd think that wouldn't compile in the first place

[austere ivy]

I'm sticking with an error.

[unreal quarry]

uhhh.... https://i.imgur.com/F2FpDBL.png

thats new

[austere ivy]

Either runtime exception or not compiling.

[strange bane]

It does compile and it does run. The program will output...

drum roll

2

[austere ivy]

What?

[static badge]

well now...

and why is that?

[strange bane]

"As per this section java should chose the most specific method in the example given. The specification order is in the order of byte, short, int, long etc. for primitives. In this case short is the most specific type. And hence"

Source: https://twitter.com/nullthingy 😛

Kalyan(கல்யாண், कल्याण) (@nullthingy)

Don't wish it were easier. Wish you were better!

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[tardy lynx]

kinda what I was gonna suggest

the short is smaller so it does it first

[unreal quarry]

wtf.. ifconfig is being replaced by ip a

[static badge]

why would that be a rule mfw

[strange bane]

idk xD

[static badge]

it shouldn't compile imho :>

[tardy lynx]

it's java it doesn't have to make sense

[strange bane]

Wow Java 12 case switch is so much nicer! 😮

[austere ivy]

Oh yeah I heard something about that?

What's the syntax again?

[static badge]

[tardy lynx]

nice

[austere ivy]

Good looking.

[tardy lynx]

java 12 only?

[strange bane]

Yeah.

[tardy lynx]

hmm

[strange bane]

Or wait, I don't know. Maybe the ability to define a variable with it is what's new.

[austere ivy]

LOL.

That example though.

[tardy lynx]

I'm compiling for java 8

lambda so nice

[strange bane]

I don't like Eclipse but their Twitter is genuinely interesting xD

[austere ivy]

public class SecondAlcibiades {
    public static void main(String[] args) {

        int A = 3;

        boolean even = switch (A) {
            case 3 -> false;
            case 4 -> true;
            default -> true;
        };
        System.out.println(even);
    }
}

That is the worst.

Worst example code. Ever.

[strange bane]

Did you just write that out?

[austere ivy]

Yeah.

[tardy lynx]

I installed intellij yesterday

[static badge]

boolean even = A != 3;

[austere ivy]

[static badge]

mfw

[austere ivy]

To infinity!

[strange bane]

boolean odd = A % 2;

[atomic marten]

evil

[austere ivy]

boolean even = A % 2;

[tardy lynx]

boolean even = A & 0x01 == 1

[austere ivy]

what aee you on

wait

[static badge]

that's wrong

[austere ivy]

no that makes

hmm

[static badge]

it should be A & 1 == 0

[tardy lynx]

idk

yeah

[strange bane]

Oh yeah, this is'nt JavaScript.

[unreal quarry]

pillager seems to target creative players, but not attack.. hmmm

[austere ivy]

boolean even = A == 3 ? true : false;

[strange bane]

I actually love JavaScript BTW

[tardy lynx]

boolean even = A & 1 == 0

fastest way

[atomic marten]

boolean evan = true

fastest way

[tardy lynx]

2:30am so brain no work

[austere ivy]

ternary values are best

ternary

did I just say ternary values

[strange bane]

(1 % 2 ? "Odd" : "Even")

[austere ivy]

[tardy lynx]

conditional operator

[austere ivy]

ternary operator

[strange bane]

It's 2:40am I should go sleep xD

[tardy lynx]

eh

[austere ivy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_operation

wikipedia says you're wrong >:D

[tardy lynx]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_operator

both are correct

[austere ivy]

but mine is more correct

[cursive narwhal]

Not sure why my game keeps freezing with 1.14

[austere ivy]

I can't run past 1.13 ;<

[tardy lynx]

other ternary operators could exist

lol running a server

[austere ivy]

as in, client.

[atomic marten]

:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:

[tardy lynx]

just make a fork of paper which removes unneeded stuff and sell it to factioms servers

[cursive narwhal]

I have plenty good hardware, my fps will cap at 128, then suddenly drop to 30fps

[tardy lynx]

also make it "40tps"

[cursive narwhal]

I'm using viaversion on my server

[atomic marten]

"plenty good hardware" what kind of hardware

[cursive narwhal]

gtx 1060

ryzen 2600

[tardy lynx]

lol ryzen

mc only uses 1 thread

[cursive narwhal]

You're just hating on the cheap price tag tbh

[native thunder]

And?

[cursive narwhal]

Cheaper than intel

[tardy lynx]

well 1 for ticking 1 for rendering

cheaper than intel what?

[native thunder]

It's a modern cpu. MC should have 0 issues lol

[tardy lynx]

I bought a pentium D for £0.50

[native thunder]

Regardless of amd or intel

[cursive narwhal]

Ha

[tardy lynx]

better than ryzen

but yes a simple game like minecraft should have no trouble on any cpu

[atomic marten]

ryzen doesnt have the best single threaded performance

[tardy lynx]

just it's very, very poorly coded

[atomic marten]

Whats async

[cursive narwhal]

Intellij idea, FTP client, discord, browser, minecraft, putty. Multithread performance is more important to me anyway

[atomic marten]

why do you need a ftp client '-'

putty?

[tardy lynx]

with all those open my cpu is less than 5%

[austere ivy]

He's deving for his server most likely.

[cursive narwhal]

Plus I mostly bought it for music, I can run a billion virtual instruments lol

[strange bane]

What's the output of this one? True or false? 😛

[tardy lynx]

and lol having to install 3rd party software for ssh, ftp and sftp

[austere ivy]

No, Blazz.

[native thunder]

You must be fun

[austere ivy]

Because it's comparing two different string objects.

[atomic marten]

just use rsync, sync your updates up if you refuse to just use private git repos with a deploy key like a normal person

[tardy lynx]

false

s1 and s2 are different objects

[static badge]

substring(0) returns the same string

[atomic marten]

just execute the code ffs

[static badge]

the parameter is checked in the function

[strange bane]

Spottedleaf you're a little too knowledgeable with the inner workings of Java. 😛

What about the one I just posted?

[tardy lynx]

also how can I sync my project between 2 different computers

[static badge]

obviously it's true

[atomic marten]

rsync

[strange bane]

@atomic marten I'm not asking for help, these are little quiz-type Java quesitons.

[atomic marten]

use a git repo

[static badge]

the second check isn't reached though

string constants are interned

[atomic marten]

those are both great options

[static badge]

so the reference check will always succeed

this is by java spec too

[tardy lynx]

I used to keep the project on my pi and access it in eclipse via sftp

[atomic marten]

use a gitrepo

[strange bane]

Yeah, the String pool makes it so they have the same references and thus it is true! 😄

[static badge]

I can't recall if they're interned across classes

[strange bane]

(Not something I knew for the record)

[austere ivy]

Ah, good point, huh.

I heard something about that.

[strange bane]

I actually love this twitter timeline.

[austere ivy]

Be right back, if anyone wants to follow along with what I'm doing, https://study.com/academy/lesson/java-string-constant-pool-concept-mechanism.html

[atomic marten]

Im just waiting for java to die

[tardy lynx]

never

[atomic marten]

it'll happen

[tardy lynx]

I do everything in java tho

[atomic marten]

and? your mistake

[austere ivy]

Huh, intersting.

[strange bane]

That one I don't know at all.

[austere ivy]

I'm going to assume I.

[tardy lynx]

I

[austere ivy]

Because of what you said before of short->byte->int->long or whatever.

[static badge]

I'd suspect the instance method will be preferred in this case

[tardy lynx]

Integer is onject though

[austere ivy]

Acctually.. aren't strings held as an array of bytes?

o-O

hmm

[strange bane]

omg I just read it properly xD

[static badge]

but perhaps it's ambigious and it wont compile

[strange bane]

It's a trick question!

[austere ivy]

Ah, one's static.

Obviously S.

[tardy lynx]

one's static one's instance

[strange bane]

No, not S Brian. xD

[austere ivy]

Read the keywords. Whatever you call them.

oh NEVERMIND LOL

I need to read it fully.

I. I was right at the beginning, it's I.

[tardy lynx]

actually it wouldn't compile

[strange bane]

But if it wasn't static which would it be?

[tardy lynx]

extra semicolon on line 10

[static badge]

it wouldn't compile

[atomic marten]

devoid of static

[static badge]

extra semicolons are legal

[tardy lynx]

im dum

[atomic marten]

hi yes, python dev here

whats a simicolon

[tardy lynx]

3am

[strange bane]

Extra semicolons do compile right? They're just ignored?

[atomic marten]

i only use simicolons so i can smash everything on a single line

[tardy lynx]

but why

[atomic marten]

because oneliner

[tardy lynx]

i meant message before

[atomic marten]

before what

[tardy lynx]

CS teacher sets a challenge to do a program in one line

Me: Can I use java

Teacher: Sure

[atomic marten]

Just use haskell

[strange bane]

Oh it doesn't compile because of it being ambiguous.

[atomic marten]

ur ambiguous

[strange bane]

I guess I am.

[atomic marten]

guessing is a problem

[tardy lynx]

public class main { public static void main (String args) {System.out.prinln("Hello World")}}

[atomic marten]

its like a future, you dont know the result until its resolved

[austere ivy]

whoaaa so colololl

it doesn't compile, @tardy lynx

forgot a semicolon ;)

[tardy lynx]

ik

you get the point

[atomic marten]

all that to say hello world pls

stand back

[austere ivy]

python

[strange bane]

JavaScript is the king of one liners.

[austere ivy]

print("Hello World!")

[atomic marten]

echo "Hello world"

[austere ivy]

nothing can beat Python

[atomic marten]

get on my level

[austere ivy]

WAAAAAA

[atomic marten]

ok fine

[static badge]

should prefix that with @

[strange bane]

JavaScript: "Hello World"