nothing
#general
pulsar wigeon
cosmic raft
pay no attention
pulsar wigeon
:^)
austere ivy
wait what
pulsar wigeon
┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
austere ivy
No table rank?
vestal jasper
Hi
cosmic raft
@pulsar wigeon mfw
unreal quarry
Sony's logic on PS4: Wife installs "HBO Now" app on her account and watches HBO. Few days later I want to watch HBO so I start the app from my account. "Sorry, you have to download that app first" ok... So I go to install it. "Sorry, that app is already installed" wtf...
stiff yarrow
dunno how I missed this when were looking into the conspiracy @static badge
pulsar wigeon
that's what i was saying
stiff yarrow
curse literally sleeping at the wheel to not notice this stuff
does curse even have any staff for bukkit shit
acoustic pilot
wow this plugin is terrible lol
acoustic pilot
stiff yarrow
pulsar wigeon
public enum Bytefluxuxerer
limber knotBOT
or checking on and hanging the main thread https://github.com/ProjectKorra/ProjectKorra/issues/934
limber knotBOT
once upon a time we made retarded code
stiff yarrow
hes a 3DR employee at heart
limber knotBOT
I'd also link their thread in which they were forcing join messages to appear advertising their website
but it requires adblocker to be disabled
https://projectkorra.com/forum/threads/join-message-edits-and-ideas.5381/ with best pr approval https://github.com/ProjectKorra/ProjectKorra/pull/718#issuecomment-276747236
pulsar wigeon
makes me feel bad for liking the shows
fallen oracle
Is there a "proper" way to branch out a project in git? Do you typically do it per-feature, or what?
limber knotBOT
lol yea their community is trash, I just take the plugin
cosmic raft
@fallen oracle everyone and every project does it differently
fallen oracle
Fair enough.
limber knotBOT
I think they whined about how 200 servers use the plugin and they don't get compensated or something
acoustic pilot
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Avatar the Last Airbender: Foaming Mouth Seizure Guy HQ - length 40s - 1,042 likes, 15 dislikes (98.6%) - 72,032 views - Whitby Tea Shop on 2014.03.23
pulsar wigeon
WE is used on tens of thousands of servers
i should put my paypal in a join message for sure :^)
limber knotBOT
s/my/kashike's/
limber knotBOT
Correction, <DiscordBot> <13wizjany> i should put kashike's paypal in a join message for sure :^)
stiff yarrow
the only donations and patreon support I get is from my discord regulars
cosmic raft
@stiff yarrow microtransactions
each level up is $0.005
each block in a WE operation is $0.0005
limber knotBOT
lol yea I saw ur join message and wuz like o no u better not b pulling a projectkorra on me
limber knotBOT
Basically if a plugin doesn't spam my console or conflict with anything else on this 110+ plogen serbur it goes on it
which includes mcmmo, mostly. Though it does adjust projectkorra damage but idc lol
stiff yarrow
stiff yarrow
once I add that patreon stuff I'm curious if it will lead to a lot of sign ups or no one caring
stiff yarrow
no thats from mine
stiff yarrow
in a lot of places
so far the sign ups for patreon have been almost exclusively from people on my discord tho
limber knotBOT
3 months wowo
vestal jasper
limber knotBOT
acoustic pilot
was he from florida, sounds like a thing florida man would do
golden gust
Texas, apparently
vestal jasper
“I asked him please do not go swimming, there’s a bigger alligator out here, just please stay out of the water,” an employee of Burkhart’s Marina in Orange, Texas told KFDM.```On the bright side, him winning a Darwin Award means the gene pool is better off.
stiff yarrow
probably had 4 kids lets be real
tardy lynx
fornite in minecraft
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rip alligator man
limpid grail
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:retarded:
vestal jasper
:(
pallid shore
acoustic pilot
Can't see any practical use for those with the HDD 😦
cosmic raft
they're customisable
acoustic pilot
Seems like they'd make a good minigames or DB server if they had SSD
cosmic raft
can up the ram, change hdds, change network, and change private network
acoustic pilot
oh private networks would be nice
acoustic pilot
oh so you can choose between the 4TB HDD vs 500GB SSD without any additional cost
cool
acoustic pilot
yeah pretty nice all around
Adv-2 would be decent for Minecraft setups, obv won't get as much juice compared to an i7, but still really good
vestal jasper
8 inch ssdd's 
acoustic pilot
but you could host quite a few instances
Seems to even score better than a 4790K on PassMark's single threaded benchmark
cosmic raft
get an Advance-4
AMD Epyc 7351P - 16 c / 32 t - 2.4 GHz / 2.9 GHz
128GB DDR4 ECC 2400MHz
vestal jasper
cosmic raft
that's a floppy
vestal jasper
yes it is
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good job
vestal jasper
thanks leaf
vestal jasper
:(
placid thicket
bit late to the converstation but i just wanted to mention that minecraft has a vanilla /reload which must be used frequently when adding and removing datapacks which conflicts with paper
forcing a server restart for a datapack update
acoustic pilot
You mean conflicts with Spigot?
cosmic raft
yes, which is completely different from craftbukkit's /reload
vanilla's reload command is good
craftbukkit's is not
acoustic pilot
CB, yeah.
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/minecraft:reload
placid thicket
does paper not have a /reload by default? have never tried because it ruins everything
acoustic pilot
Just to make the distinction that /reload isn't something Paper added.
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alright which fuck did this
acoustic pilot
It's something CB added.
vestal jasper
242 KB of storage space. nice.
placid thicket
is there a way that i can disable the bad and keep the good?
cosmic raft
/minecraft:reload
acoustic pilot
You can use commands.yml
And alias it
If you don't want to type the full /minecraft:reload
placid thicket
i see, was unaware /minecraft:reload was a thing, does that apply to any overlapping plugin?
cosmic raft
every command has a pluginid-prefixed command too
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yeah commands can always be used by /<plugin>:<command>
placid thicket
that's super useful to know
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there's /bukkit:command too
atomic marten
hopefully you dont have collisions though
cosmic raft
what is up leaf
vestal jasper
@static badge pr
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I told u to change it urself
vestal jasper
And then billy PR'd the change I needed to paper :^)
wide hazel
vestal jasper
placid thicket
so many pepes
cosmic raft
🔜 
stiff yarrow
vestal jasper
🔜
cosmic raft
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.g nossr50 github
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/nossr50 -- nossr50 (Robert A. C.) · GitHub: "nossr50 has 13 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub."
vestal jasper
:saber:
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alright what is this weeb shit
stiff yarrow
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just wanna see ur pr
tardy lynx
running a minecraft server on a raspberry pi 1
vestal jasper
Can you make leaf's nick 私は遅れています
vestal jasper
literally poop
tardy lynx
ffs the same moth has been landing on my screen for the past 3 weeks
cosmic raft
.g translate 文字通りのうんち to english
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.linguee.com/chinese-english/translation/文字.html -- 文字- English translation – Linguee: "Many translated example sentences containing "文字" – English-Chinese dictionary and search engine for English translations."
cosmic raft
u s e l e s s
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is that "literally shit"
vestal jasper
yes
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thanks kash
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alright this weeb shit needs to end
placid thicket
would you guys be intrested in a bedtime pepe?
cosmic raft
fixed leaf
acoustic pilot
aren't leaves always covered in bird poop ~_~
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ur face is covered in bird shit all the time
acoustic pilot
am not a leaf so no
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wrong
cosmic raft
.8 is byteflux a leaf
limber knotBOT
shakes the magic 8 ball... Yes
vestal jasper
@static badge 知恵遅れ
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interesting
cosmic raft
sorry @acoustic pilot
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stop this weeb shit
cosmic raft
it is decided
cosmic raft
and persist
vestal jasper
葉に知恵の遅れがある
vestal jasper
do it pussy
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god damn filthy fuckin weeaboos
acoustic pilot
guy with anime avatar and japanese nickname calling everyone else a weab 🤔
cosmic raft
cosmic raft
have you translated his name yet
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probably some tame shit
vestal jasper
nah it's pretty vulgar
cosmic raft
what could be worse than a spotted leaf
vestal jasper
I wouldn't call someone it even if they murdered my family
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what is it translated
cosmic raft
"spotted leaf"
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cancer
cosmic raft
you just called yourself cancer
vestal jasper
yeah the name "spotted leaf" is pretty cancer
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.g aries
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.astrology-zodiac-signs.com/zodiac-signs/aries/ -- Aries Horoscope: Aries Zodiac Sign Dates Compatibility,...: "As the first sign in the zodiac, the presence of Aries always marks the beginning of something energetic and turbulent. They are continuously looking..."
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♋
cosmic raft
yes
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u ^
limber knotBOT
simpleauthority Watched the orville?
tardy lynx
how do I make a project open source
tardy lynx
then how do I edit it
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you make changes, then use git to create a commit, then push that commit to the github repo
limber knotBOT
electroniccat: got a list of series you watch?
and/or have watched?
Really only the orville these days
tardy lynx
ok
limber knotBOT
monster
acoustic pilot
maybe weab leaf has some good anime recommendations
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recommend that one with the meme intro song
attack on titans or whatever the fuck it's called
cosmic raft
-s
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or pokemon
cosmic raft
.yt 3dLqUADUNZ0
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Shingeki no Kyojin [Attack on Titan] Opening 1 [Full] HD - length 3m 28s - 33,762 likes, 913 dislikes (97.4%) - 3,758,770 views - Yusvo on 2013.11.22 - http://youtu.be/3dLqUADUNZ0
cosmic raft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSRUFRGCSEk one of my favourites still
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Naruto Shippuden Opening 5 "Sha La La" V2 - length 1m 34s - 1,155 likes, 16 dislikes (98.6%) - 86,464 views - Heavenly Anime Music on 2016.12.25
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Naruto - Tailed Beasts Counting Song (True Quality) - length 2m 7s - 9,865 likes, 58 dislikes (99.4%) - 303,268 views - AddictionableGames on 2013.09.12
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Yumi Matsutoya - Haru yo koi : Kreygasm RIGHT VERSION - length 4m 24s - 26,123 likes, 309 dislikes (98.8%) - 1,239,226 views - FlyJay on 2016.04.11
gloomy sphinx
vestal jasper
install gentoo
atomic marten
why would you purge Firefox..
vestal jasper
what did they do to crouching?
pulsar wigeon
it's server checked now isn't it
and you go down further
can get under 1.5 blocks
limber knotBOT
oh hooray more movement changes
cosmic raft
mmm, birthday cake
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ur birthday?
cosmic raft
yes
pulsar wigeon
must've been a long birthday, waking up at 3 am :^)
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today kash?
viscid cave
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huh :>
cosmic raft
I woke up at like 8
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mine is 16th
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ye
pulsar wigeon
cosmic raft
interesting
cosmic raft
oh
hehe
yeah, i woke up at 8am because someone rang to wish happy birthday
dumb telephones
vestal jasper
I feel like one of my players is fucking with me.
He randomly complains about pickaxes vanishing from his inventory.
They're always in his hotbar and he never notices when it happens, only after the fact.
And he refuses to give me any information on it whatsoever because of this.
And he's the only person to have this issue
stiff yarrow
誕生日おめでとうございます.
pulsar wigeon
happy birthday to you too nossr
limber knotBOT
@vicacrious maybe confusing with when pickaxes break lol
vestal jasper
They're not breaking
They vanish when he's not using them
At least according to him
I'm just going to invsee him and watch his inventory while I do stuff. If I see any pickaxes ever leave his inventory I'm freezing him and forcing him to give information.
limber knotBOT
only two things that come to mind is using a modded client or they are breaking @vestal jasper
because as you said it only happens to that player only
vestal jasper
Yeah. I also ruled out the posibility of staff fucking with him. I checked for that.
limber knotBOT
just make him get a video
vestal jasper
He said he was going to record yesterday
And it's allegedly happened twice since then
I'm at a point where I'm almost sure he's either lying to me to get free pickaxes or he's using a modded client.
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tell him to relog each time
that should refresh his inventory
if he's retarded he'll say they're still gone
and then you can dismiss it :>
vestal jasper
Why the fuck does he have mending leather pants
stiff yarrow
does anyone know the correct includes to get aikars cf to shade properly, I must be retarded because it won't work for me
using maven
nm finally got it to work
was using aikar.co.commands but it just needed aikar.co
golden gust
o.O
merry talon
wish google keep had markdown support or any kind of formatting in general, like code blocks
I haven't found a good alternative
cosmic raft
hm?
merry talon
I want one place to store snippets, lists and other notes
and I don't want to pay $10/mo to store some text because wat
(standardnotes)
cosmic raft
@merry talon github repo!
stiff yarrow
merry talon
yeah that's not gonna work
would need an editor for it, then have to commit manually
and it won't work on mobile
cosmic raft
built-in editor on website doesn't work enough?
stiff yarrow
merry talon
not if I want inline styling and checkable/draggable lists lol
Google Keep just needs markdown and it would be pretty much perfect
vestal jasper
Oh wait I had connected textures off
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connected textures
vestal jasper
@stiff yarrow
stiff yarrow
cosmic raft
I'd get more but I'm in 100 guilds
vestal jasper
cosmic raft
lots of places to be
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yeah considering ur a scatter brain
cosmic raft
first being: https://i.imgur.com/Rt1QqL5.png
Error 503 Backend fetch failed
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
cosmic raft
excuse you
no throwing me
at least not while it's still my birthday
that's just rude
stiff yarrow
such a smart boi
cosmic raft
23
unreal quarry
You old
cosmic raft
yes
unreal quarry
Give it a few days, you'll be 35 like me then feel really old
cosmic raft
.<
unreal quarry
Protip: zenosyne is real
stiff yarrow
didn't realize you were older than me billy
cosmic raft
how old are you @stiff yarrow?
cosmic raft
Not if you're older than nossr :p
stiff yarrow
sanjyusai
cosmic raft
.g sanjyusai
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shichi-Go-San -- Shichi-Go-San - Wikipedia: "Shichi-Go-San is a traditional rite of passage and festival day in Japan for three- and seven-year-old girls and five-year-old boys, held annually on..."
cosmic raft
753?
stiff yarrow
３０歳
cosmic raft
30?
stiff yarrow
unreal quarry
Your mom is 60? :O my mom isn't even that old..
cosmic raft
yes
unreal quarry
Then again, my family tends to have kids at young ages... My oldest daughter turns 18 this year. I half expect to be a grandpa before I'm 40 tbh lol
cosmic raft
.g ojisan ni natta
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.setlist.fm/setlists/tamio-okuda-73d39299.html -- Tamio Okuda Concert Setlists | setlist.fm: "Watashi wa Ojisan ni Natta; Yuki ga Furu Machi; Hana ni Naru; The STANDARD; Chotto Nigai; Hari ga Nai to; Coffee; Spider; Ningen wa Mou Owarida;..."
unreal quarry
My dad is sept 23, 1959. That's pretty close
cosmic raft
\o/
unreal quarry
We're like brothers, now
cosmic raft
unreal quarry
It's 1am. I'm tired af, but not sleepy :(
cosmic raft
hits with frying pan
stiff yarrow
子供いないだけど
cosmic raft
cyan fiber
unreal quarry
takes nossr's crayons away
Stop scribbling on the walls
cosmic raft
🖍
unreal quarry
This is all I see @stiff yarrow
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pretty sure that's a number
unreal quarry
placid thicket
i feel like you guys need this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXMj99uezzI
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Bedtime Pepe Infomercial - length 1m 44s - 34,144 likes, 461 dislikes (98.7%) - 507,189 views - Kektoshi on 2018.05.07
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is the best
stiff yarrow
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ur dum
unreal quarry
@stiff yarrow 私はズボンに猫がいます
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"NO TABLE"
cosmic raft
yes
cosmic raft
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.g neko wo kimochii ga ii
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/esca/tneneko.htm -- <i>Neko no KIMOCHI</i> - The Feelings of a Cat: "Neko no KIMOCHI - The Feelings of a Cat, Merle char. song, Vision of ... mono shizuka na hito ga SUKI kihon-teki ... iraretara ii no ni ... watashi..."
unreal quarry
@stiff yarrow the most Japanese I know is Babymetal lol
stiff yarrow
@static badge most the stuff I say is slangless so google translate will work for it
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://translate.google.ca/ -- Google Translate: "Google's free service instantly translates words, phrases, and web pages between English and over 100 other languages."
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"it is nice to have pussy?"
stiff yarrow
unreal quarry
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Rondo of Nightmare - length 3m 34s - 379 likes, 3 dislikes (99.2%) - 29,861 views - Various Artists - Topic on 2017.02.19
.tr
swear caferetard had a translate fcn
unreal quarry
Metal makes everything better
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.g babymetal
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) http://www.babymetal.com/ -- BABYMETAL Official Site: "BABYMETAL オフィシャルサイト BABYMETAL Official Site."
stiff yarrow
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) BABYMETAL - メギツネ - MEGITSUNE (OFFICIAL) - length 4m 10s - 449,089 likes, 12,824 dislikes (97.2%) - 56,762,239 views - BABYMETAL on 2013.06.04
unreal quarry
Agreed. The other two are just noise makers. They sound like squeeky toys lol
stiff yarrow
unreal quarry
My daughter likes "gimme chocolate" song
stiff yarrow
welcome to the dark side
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I am not a weeaboo
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) 【ShibayanRecords】 「nachi」 とびだせ！バンキッキ(Casual Killer remix) - length 5m 4s - 32,207 likes, 308 dislikes (99.1%) - 1,728,257 views - UnderGround on 2015.12.14
stiff yarrow
it gets better
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look if I continue through this song I'll get ill and never get better
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look the only way to embrace this is to end it all
stiff yarrow
https://youtu.be/duWTfl4MJ1c heres some high level weeb shit
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Black and Yellow Sketch | Hidamari Sketch × Wiz Khalifa - length 4m - 39,671 likes, 1,335 dislikes (96.7%) - 3,475,864 views - nakinyko on 2011.03.18
unreal quarry
Too advanced for me :p babymetal is where I draw the line ^_^
stiff yarrow
@unreal quarry try this https://youtu.be/ExgmZXYUh6M
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) DAOKO『ダイスキ with TeddyLoid』Music Video［HD］ - length 3m 28s - 103,424 likes, 2,273 dislikes (97.8%) - 7,485,922 views - daoko_jp on 2016.09.21
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existing is where the line should be drawn for weeb filth
unreal quarry
I can't understand a word of any of it. I like metal though, and they have a good band and sound
Those robots remind me of this https://youtu.be/bAdqazixuRY
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) AUTOMATICA - Robots Vs. Music - Nigel Stanford - length 4m 16s - 232,397 likes, 4,784 dislikes (98.0%) - 9,544,195 views - Nigel John Stanford on 2017.09.15
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Tatsuro Yamashita - HOTSHOT - length 5m 56s - 289 likes, 3 dislikes (99.0%) - 16,306 views - BISLEYY on 2017.11.17
stiff yarrow
not weeb shit
just a 80s hit
from Japan
genre might be rock? idk I'm not great at labeling shit
everytime he says hora it makes my dick hard ngl
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mfw
stiff yarrow
hora might be one of my favourite Japanese words, its just phonetic perfection
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.g why is nossr50 getting off to japanese hora
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.bab.la/dictionary/english-japanese/get-off -- to get off - Japanese translation - bab.la English-Japanese...: "Translation for 'to get off' in the free English-Japanese dictionary and many other Japanese translations."
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mfw
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Taeko Ohnuki - 4:00 AM - 1978 - length 5m 35s - 123,540 likes, 656 dislikes (99.5%) - 4,658,860 views - TheAmuseum on 2014.09.28
cosmic raft
431168
vestal jasper
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) JoJo's Bizarre Adventure OP1 Sono Chi no Sadame SFX - length 1m 30s - 48,912 likes, 568 dislikes (98.9%) - 3,435,990 views - NorsRei on 2015.08.29
stiff yarrow
if you liked sono chi no sadame you'd probably like this
https://youtu.be/35dnAFiOz1k gets fucking lit at 40s @vestal jasper
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Umineko no Naku Koro ni Anime ED full - length 4m 40s - 2,374 likes, 33 dislikes (98.6%) - 311,517 views - KarinKoenig7 on 2009.12.20
vestal jasper
nice
spiral garden
stiff yarrow
every night I can still feel my arm 
vestal jasper
🤔 when you tell amazon to ship everything together and they decide to split it in two and ship half of it later than the other half after you pay
thonk and a half
cosmic raft
they do that if something might take longer than initially expected
so that you get at least some of it when expected
vestal jasper
I ordered the jojo part 1 and part 2 manga volumes and they fucking delayed all of the part 1 ones
but not the part 2 ones
👏
void void
only me updated java and jdk to 212?
vestal jasper
Yes you're the only person running 8u212
finite wave
I use 8u127
void void
Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.EncoderException: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown gamemode network id -9
hmmm
ProtocolSupport
woven otter
Can window id be anything for any player(except -1 and 0 ofc)?
woven otter
Also confirm transaction packet with accepted state = false. didn't seem to do anything
fallen jungle
Wow, 216 updates behind 😅 Time to update
Anything significant for developers in the past 200 versions?
native thunder
wide chasm
They're only warnings, so it shouldn't be that bad.
fallen jungle
I can't live with code full of warnings, not sure about you
wide chasm
Me neither, but warnings are usually more easily fixed than errors.
zenith dragon
updated to paper 2 days ago, so impressed with performance thus far - we had 13 players online with spigot and tps dropped below 10 - 30 players on last night and perfect tps! very happy!
limber knotBOT
spigot doesn't really attempt to be optimal anymore, good thing paper exists :)
hexed iris
this ^
hollow igloo
finite wave
.discord
limber knotBOT
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/djPs80P.png
lol nice
gusty idol
Is it just me or is it hell to write tests for a plugin
You have to mock so much stuff
pulsar wigeon
write unit tests instead
gusty idol
You can't just replace integration tests with unit tests
pulsar wigeon
yes you can
gusty idol
pulsar wigeon
because if something breaks it's the servers fault, not your plugin code
:^)
(tbh i find that's very often the case)
there's no way to test many server behaviors
aside from actually running a server
merry talon
You can have your tests spin up a server
And have it build spigot each time, that'll be fun
pulsar wigeon
yea but you'd actually need a test framework like mctester
the problem is that the server itself doesn't have tests
so behaviors you'd expect like "if player places block, event is fired. if event is cancelled, block doesn't change" don't always hold
and the only way to test that is to actually simulate a playerconnection processing a playinblockplace or whatever
because that's where that code is called
merry talon
so in short fuck integration tests
pulsar wigeon
right
essentially integration tests end up being servers running (hopefully test, not prod) servers with the new versions, and when they come to me being like "WG doesn't protect blah!" i tell them "yes it does, the server just isn't sending event/respecting event cancellation. report it to them"
^story of every new mc version
cedar spade
https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/plugin-annotations/
three things:
- I didn't know this existed
- This is horrible and ugly
@SoftDependency("EssentialsX")is wrong
limber knotBOT
huh, the bot has an interesting way of handling multiline Discord messages
pulsar wigeon
rofl i instinctively looked over to my rightmost monitor where i usually keep irc
and then noticed that i'm at work and i don't have irc here
cedar spade
pulsar wigeon
yes logics we saw it already
austere ivy
Ah.
pulsar wigeon
this was a talking point yesterday
austere ivy
Doesn't everyone love writing for 1.12.2?
I do!
DEPRECATED DEPRECATED DEPRECATED DEPRECATED DEPRECATED DEPRECATED
pulsar wigeon
deprecate urself
pulsar wigeon
then we won't have to deal with you anymore
austere ivy
See you folks! ;D
pulsar wigeon
dw even if you deprecate yourself now you'll probably still be around for a few more years
that's how api works around here
tropic flame
@cedar spade that also exists in Luck's helper classes :P
cedar spade
we should just send over jars of popular plugins to that guy
iirc Helper's is much nicer?
vestal jasper
Certain plugins cause a false positive due to the following
//op player
//do thing
//deop player```
🤔 that sounds like a dangerous thing to doIt resembles Sponge
Yeah
I don't know how Spigot took an idea was done well twice before and screw it up
tropic flame
what is horrible though, the code itself or the annotations?
pulsar wigeon
implying helper was the first
tropic flame
🤷
tropic flame
pulsar wigeon
i mean, depends on the scope, but yea
cedar spade
Forge, Sponge, Helper, Velocity have one annotation with multiple parameters
ForgeModLoader had @Mod from near its inception in 2012, and I guess FML is what influenced Sponge
gusty idol
How would you call a command that requires a permission?
cedar spade
Context?
pulsar wigeon
what does that even mean
cedar spade
also, this
pulsar wigeon
i'd call it whatever it asked me to call it
yes md that's been like that since yesterday
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
pulsar wigeon
upper flicker
table flip man needs to calm his tits
cedar spade
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻─┬ ノ( °□°ノ)
vestal jasper
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
cedar spade
another thing I didn't know existed: https://github.com/SpigotMC/SpigotPatcher
queen lodge
cedar spade
Except for some reason it got deprecated in favour of... BuildTools?
if this existed, why did it get replaced with a glorified build script that isn't cross-platform friendly 
upper flicker
that required you already have the jar
he never took it where we took paperclip
it was just used for distributing tiny patch diffs to 1.7.10 jars
cedar spade
Sure, but in theory he could've just distributed binary patches to apply to the vanilla server?
cedar spade
I don't understand why he didn't do that
upper flicker
that tool wouldve warranted some love too because its kind of a pain
lawyers
he asked "whats the best way to be 100% safe"
which was "make the user do literally all the work"
cedar spade
pfff, who needs lawyers
pulsar wigeon
lawyers
is the server still hosted somewhere extrajudicial?
i remember it used to be in like czech republic to dodge dmca lol
merry talon
but it's not like paperclip does more work than buildtools?
It just does it in a better way
finite wave
Buildtools is just stupid
merry talon
Unless you count the interface for running it directly instead of building it and then running
but like wat
pulsar wigeon
tbf buildtools does one thing nicely that paperclip doesn't
which is local maven installation
cedar spade
Paperclip doesn't build the server, it applies an included patch to vanilla
cedar spade
It doesn't decompile then patch the source, it just patches the jar as-is
pulsar wigeon
tbh i think in general buildtools is better for devs, paperclip is better for admins
cedar spade
because Spigot is Spigot
golden gust
Paperclip is designed for end users, for devs, checkout the repo and ./paper j
golden gust
nope
golden gust
There was some consideration of adding a --masochist flag
pulsar wigeon
fine for people who only use paper but
merry talon
it's better than BT in both ways because someone who doesnt care about the dev env doesn't get it
But you still easily can
pulsar wigeon
imo it's more masochism looking through spigot-api or paper-api and figuring out which methods will or won't work on a server running craftbukkit/spigot only
because people do still use craftbukkit
merry talon
Then why are you working with those people
pulsar wigeon
so i'd rather target bukkit
golden gust
It's referred to as that as then we'd need to build bukkit/craftbukkit/spigot-* vs just paper
cedar spade
ez, just target bukkit
pulsar wigeon
on the other hand, i wonder how much we could swing usage if worldedit didn't support spigot, only paper :^)
cedar spade
hey I'll join you in your coup and make EssentialsX break spontaneously on Spigot
cedar spade
I mean
cedar spade
we just need to convince all these people too
merry talon
ez
cedar spade
not sure if we could convince those "papermc" guys tho
cedar spade
There's probably about 10k servers that keep EssentialsX up-to-date-ish
if "up-to-date-ish" = latest on Spigot or latest dev build
merry talon
Yeah but some people love to tell you that they don't use it
They're like the vegans of minecraft
pulsar wigeon
essentials sux
cedar spade
hOw DaRe YoU
tardy lynx
my plugin only supports paper
pulsar wigeon
no one cares about your plugin tho
merry talon
"ermagherd too heavy"
pulsar wigeon
you're not even no table
merry talon
Meanwhile they have 300 plugins on their hub world
cedar spade
"essentials is too heavy"
replaces it with 100 collectively functionally equivalent plugins
merry talon
*that are less efficient
limber knotBOT
To me, essentials is one of those "does everything, but only does the barebones of everything", remember using commandbook with a teleportation plugin at some point though as that ended up working out nicer until that kinda died
cedar spade
see em eye is beter
pulsar wigeon
commandbook was hanging on by a thread til 1.13 :<
when all of WE api changed
i wonder how much work it'd be to update that lol
cedar spade
CommandBook was dependent on WE?
cedar spade
uh
pulsar wigeon
as well as block/item lookups
merry talon
I've never felt any part of essentials was lacking
pulsar wigeon
pretty sure it's just the latter part that broke tbh
golden gust
For most it's not really lacking, and that's why it fits
cedar spade
403 issues beg to differ
merry talon
lol
cedar spade
/s
merry talon
well of course you're gonna have the people who want a full fledged permissions system in there
pulsar wigeon
groupmanager LUL
cedar spade
EssentialsX still includes the Essentials player-commands thing
More useful than an XMPP bridge
tropic flame
imho this "permission nodes" system is probably the best, anything else feels less flexible
pulsar wigeon
what, you mean player.canUseCommand("/blah") isn't a good permission system?
tropic flame
yes
pulsar wigeon
first of all how dare you
cedar spade
last time I checked, those 11 servers were on two dev builds where that statistic was incorrectly inverted
pulsar wigeon
tbh i wonder what people would have come up with without nodes
merry talon
that's kind of the only way to do it
pulsar wigeon
i mean, it's not
merry talon
it could just be formatted differently etc
pulsar wigeon
hmod didn't use it
cedar spade
I mean, fixed privilege levels
tropic flame
well it would probably be like "assign commands to player groups", but then you had to deal with arguments and whatever
pulsar wigeon
sk pretty much brought the node system to MC when bukkit started being a thing
merry talon
ok, the only good way to do it
tropic flame
yeah and temporary permissions wouldn't work that well if it weren't the nodes system
upper flicker
Spigot will be hiding the craftbukkit jar starting in 1.14
so less people on that, probably still a few who go find it
if spigot wanted to push even harder in that direction they certainly could
their position is that Spigot is the target platform and CB is just kinda there
merry talon
on one hand I feel like people using CB must have some reason and will know how to get it anyway
but on the other, what would be a valid reason
tropic flame
I've seen some people saying Spigot modifies vanilla while CB is vanilla + bukkit API
pulsar wigeon
vanilla mechanics mostly
tropic flame
I personally never saw a difference but whatever
merry talon
usually just small bug fixes isn't it?
pulsar wigeon
some people would rather have their mob farms or piston contraptions from vanilla working the same
upper flicker
making paperclip able to install into the local m2 is also one of those "that'd be nice" things on my ever growing list of things to do
merry talon
which they could just bring back
but I guess if you really want that and aren't a competent dev
woven otter
@upper flicker less sleep, more work
upper flicker
I already dont sleep enough though :c
woven otter
that's the joke
cedar spade
Potentially 2 people use EssentialsX XMPP based on bStats
upper flicker
more people still using groupmanager
merry talon
willing to bet there's more people still using bigbrother
cedar spade
probably more people using EssentialsX XMPP than conrete
it's also possible that the 2 people who actually edited their config only did that to stop the config broken for XMPP message appearing
merry talon
cedar spade
It amazes me that there are almost 2000 people who installed that plugin not knowing what it does
I wonder if we'd get people asking "where is XMPP" if we dropped support for it
golden gust
people literally just download all of the jars for their servers because >reading
earnest brook
upper flicker
pretty much
bukkitdev didnt (or doesnt?) let you put shit right on the downloads page afaik
so youre also counting on people reading a wall of description, understanding it, then remembering it through to the next page
which is pretty bad ux
cedar spade
tbf EssentialsX's documentation is appalling
At the inception of the project, Essentials' wiki covered everything you needed to know
Okay, not everything, but it was all still relevant to EssentialsX
but EssentialsX has new features now, and they've just been thrown in a giant list
tropic flame
tbh probably there should be a new sort-of-database website with all the EssentialsX permissions (I know some new ones were added?)
cedar spade
We already have one
tropic flame
the old one has pretty much 99% of them but you still gotta go to EssX's wiki for the new ones---
oh?
cedar spade
tropic flame
TIL
cedar spade
Not technically affiliated, but we link there because Xeyame put that together and it's pretty useful
tropic flame
oh damn this is beautiful
cedar spade
if I wasn't the person responsible for maintaining EssentialsX, I'd probably be constantly complaining about the lack of documentation lol
pearl ibex
EssentialsX. 
cedar spade
no u
pearl ibex
Noice.
stiff yarrow
wtf lol
cedar spade
Open an issue on GitHub
pearl ibex
Captain Pepe!!! :D
void void
sure
stiff yarrow
austere ivy
I used to be an avid user of GroupManager.
I didn't like Pex, never used it.
LuckPerms, never heard of it.
But when GroupManager got basically unsupported and I needed a new group.. manager.. I tried LuckPerms.
Holy guacamole that thing is amazing.
I love it so much.
It's the absolute best thing, web editors!? Tracks!? I love it!!
void void
interesting
austere ivy
Just use my referral link https://luckperms.github.io/tehbrianreferral to get 10% off any orders!
void void
i cannot reproduce that problem reliably....
austere ivy
Whaat? Nooo I don't get money from it!
void void
shit
stiff yarrow
why do you have a referral link
void void
i guess no issue then
pearl ibex
Captain Pepe, help that guy. :D
stiff yarrow
are you scamming fellow children on the internet again
pearl ibex
:P
austere ivy
that's
pulsar wigeon
use that link to give pepe referral points!
pearl ibex
^
quasi valley
a wasp sat down on a lamp next to me and has been sitting there for like 20 minutes with its stinger out
it's probably contemplating on killing me
tropic flame
maybe it just wants a friend. 😢
cedar spade
Is the lamp on?
fallen oracle
quasi valley
it's not, but it has some shinethrough crystal like thingies hanging on it so it's probably enjoying le rainbow
cedar spade
how do you know it didn't just stop for a moment to catch its breath
quasi valley
its faced in my direction with its stinger out
before that it was probably reading some books while sitting on the shelf
mighty stone
quasi valley
it flew off :8
deep shoal
what are some good logging apis I can use
limber knotBOT
slf4j <3
stiff yarrow
system out isn't really a logger so much as it is a REEE'er
coarse urchin
blasphemy
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ur reeetarded
coarse urchin
your opinion does not count if you have a weeb profile image
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wtf im not a weeb
mortal zinc
what if all weebs say they're not weebs
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nossr's a weeb
void void
system.out.println the only real logging
@coarse urchin consider euthanizing yourself
coarse urchin
hoping that is a joke like my message
void void
noshit
coarse urchin
finne gonna go kms
upper flicker
to keep in the theme of weebishness currently present with leaf and others, you'd call it seppuku
static badge
.g seppuku
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku -- Seppuku - Wikipedia: "Seppuku sometimes referred to as harakiri is a form of Japanese ritual suicide by disembowelment. It was originally reserved for samurai, but was..."
pearl ibex
@static badge Ur a retarded weeb. :>
merry talon
mfw "I do not support TypeScript, it is not open-source friendly for the JavaScript community nor GitHub. TypeScript is horrible and the community doesn't need yet another CoffeeScript, the main reason being the latter."
upper flicker
isnt typescript open source?
dont they do all their work out in the open
dont understand
what do they kill js kittens or something
pearl ibex
Z! :D
merry talon
haven't seen it in a while
upper flicker
I dont use JS other than to comment on what a mess it is every couple of years when some stupid drama of their own doing spills out into the mainstream
cant say anything about coffeescript
upper flicker
typescript looked cool last I saw it and it certainly looked like they were doing everything out in the open
so idk
merry talon
yeah I like it
just annoying when people like him won't add type definitions to their repo
usually solved by the massive DefinitelyTyped repo
but not in this case
upper flicker
I dont see any real arguments about it being bad for the ecosystem
I see a few people writing articles worried about it taking over and becoming some monolith
and a ton on people not thinking its worth the effort
but straight up harmful?
merry talon
They're looking a lot better than google these days
upper flicker
yeah its weird state of affairs we've entered into
acoustic pilot
omg MS killed GitHub!
merry talon
I actually forgot about that until a couple days ago
when someone was complaining about it
upper flicker
I totally forgot about that lol
acoustic pilot
Most of the people who made a fit about that and moved to GitLab over that probably feel pretty dumb right about now, though they'd never admit it. I'm talking the doomsayers
stiff yarrow
@static badge Jisatsu is the much more common word for killing yourself
upper flicker
it did make me look at gitlab again, not for any like "oh no MS is gonna kill" but just because
its got some cool stuff
also some stuff it doesnt have
acoustic pilot
GL still good for them unlimited private repos
merry talon
I use that for private stuff, but you can't really beat the reach that github has
acoustic pilot
Free repos, I mean
merry talon
^
stiff yarrow
@static badge seppuku/harikiri refers to specific acts of suiciding yourself
acoustic pilot
I used to use Bitbucket for that, but GL is better
upper flicker
GL + CI is a lot nicer than GH + Travis
but there's weird features locked behind paid plans
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot which one has better features if you're a rich boi
merry talon
yeah
merry talon
@stiff yarrow probably GH enterprise
acoustic pilot
With the existence of GL, I don't think GH enterprise is really that worth it.
acoustic pilot
You can privately host a GL instance with just about every GH Enterprise feature I think
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mfw
merry talon
I think it has more features than normal github
upper flicker
Pretty sure gitlab's paid offerings destroy GH for the price too
GH enterprise pricing is srsbsns
you've gotta want it
merry talon
You can probably count on the enterprises that pay for it to have some kind of weird requirement only it has
because yeah its pricey
acoustic pilot
I think most of that money goes into enterprise support and shit, not any amazing features. They cater to your needs
stiff yarrow
so is GL superior to BB in features?
merry talon
for sure
acoustic pilot
In general Atlassian products piss me off
merry talon
unless you want atlassian integration
upper flicker
BB ties together with atlassian shit really well
acoustic pilot
They're slow, and seemingly unintuitive
upper flicker
thats its selling point
merry talon
But they look nice
upper flicker
JIRA and Confluence are the standard
JIRA moreso but most places do end up with confluence as well
unreal quarry
BB's web front end is too slow though. it used to be rock solid, but when they "updated" their UI things went to shit. thats why i switched to GH in the past few years
acoustic pilot
GL did a really good job at nailing the GH frontend experience
merry talon
it's also slower
upper flicker
GL is laid out differently
I wont say its worse
but its different
and if you want a GH clone, youre not going to get it
upper flicker
gogs/gitea arent at this level