i mean it runs on 2 billion devices
#general
pulsar wigeon
austere ivy
it is running on a potato at least
pulsar wigeon
some of them will be potatoes
ancient bolt
sorry the correct flags are
-Xbatch -XX:-TieredCompilation -XX:+UnlockDiagnosticVMOptions -XX:-PrintAssembly
acoustic pilot
my java runs on burning leaves
pulsar wigeon
isn't there a PrintOpToAssembly or something too?
austere ivy
I have a feeling like spottedleaf has something to dow ith that
slim nymph
spotted doesnt like my adddress. I live on Burntleaf Ln
ancient bolt
I live on Deadleaf Blvd
austere ivy
i live on earth
ancient bolt
no you don't
austere ivy
dangit got me there
slim nymph
no
cosmic raft
night dw
slim nymph
drink 5 hour and play with us
cosmic raft
no
ancient bolt
this week has been the most well-rested week of my life
austere ivy
w ah t
ancient bolt
and I've accomplished it by forcing myself to go to sleep at normal times
slim nymph
i wish i had one of those
ancient bolt
go to sleep, right now
slim nymph
ive had to deal with string encoding issues this week
ancient bolt
that's how you do it ๐
slim nymph
so, yeah stressful
acoustic pilot
meanwhile, I woke up at 6pm, few hours ago ๐
slim nymph
im pretty sure our db table has latin1 tables storing utf8 data, and maybe the few ne utf8 tables i made prob has latin1 in them
austere ivy
hi byte
ancient bolt
I've had to deal with fucking cisco SDKs written in Java 5 to interact with more cisco SOAP APIs all week
from 2004
austere ivy
byte
cosmic raft
heh
austere ivy
why do we do this
why can't we be more like those japanese people that only focus on happiness because when you think about it that's all that matters
acoustic pilot
tf you talkin about
austere ivy
eventually we'll all be like our parents, stressed, old, and with regret, only thing you remember is your happiness
acoustic pilot
o.o
austere ivy
so maybe i will just sell my stuff and become japanese and be happy
cosmic raft
did you just assume we all have parents
austere ivy
no more coding no more school, just happiness
acoustic pilot
japanese are among the most over-worked people in the world
acoustic pilot
you realize they work nearly 60 hours a week, often.
ancient bolt
coding and school
slim nymph
i was born on planet Xenu asexually from a meteor
ancient bolt
taylor swift
austere ivy
that's
slim nymph
thats not taylor...
austere ivy
not taylor swift
atomic marten
i know
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thank god
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:>
atomic marten
oof
ancient bolt
if you wanna undo that go ahead
atomic marten
not asking
slim nymph
we can swap the ban for aero
acoustic pilot
or mrivan
cosmic raft
austere ivy
atomic marten
ancient bolt
the fuck
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๐ฏ
ancient bolt
:oof:
cosmic raft
nitro is bae
atomic marten
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The fuck
discord is stupid and shitty
austere ivy
ow
atomic marten
oh, look what you made me do
cosmic raft
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google is ur overlord
atomic marten
me and google are never getting back together
austere ivy
https://www.turingtribe.com/story/microsoft-pix2story-uses-ai-to-write-a-story-by-just-looking-at-a-picture-iMmpaTu7M9pfNdH23 this is interesting
acoustic pilot
does it also know when a porch pirate takes it? ^_^
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot man.. I've been able to avoid it through vigilance
cosmic raft
we have mailboxes here, @acoustic pilot
atomic marten
nitro is the end game
austere ivy
are you canadian
acoustic pilot
I live in a gated apartment complex, we don't have porch pirates
stiff yarrow
atomic marten
amazon garadge
cosmic raft
yes, i am canadian
ancient bolt
only federal USPS is legally allowed to put things in a mailbox in the US
acoustic pilot
But people who live in homes are def at risk
cosmic raft
i've only said it 100 times
ancient bolt
fedex & UPS aren't legally allowed ot
stiff yarrow
I'm at my moms place right now and they will deliver SOME things to the apartment office, which helps
austere ivy
hey that's pretty cool, I live right next to canada and I went there once.
atomic marten
gated homes is a thing
ancient bolt
@acoustic pilot I live ina gated apartment complex and got my phone stolen off my porch because fedex didn't want to leave my package at the fuck desk, lazy fucks
acoustic pilot
Oh damn, taht sucks
acoustic pilot
Maybe it's less likely for me because I'm on the 2nd floor
stiff yarrow
@ancient bolt Jesus christ I hope you got reimbursed
cosmic raft
why do you say that
ancient bolt
I'm on the second floor too ๐ฆ
atomic marten
i saw snow, and knew it was canada
cosmic raft
the giant CANADA POST at the top didn't give it away?
ancient bolt
@stiff yarrow google sent me a second phone pretty much immediately
acoustic pilot
Amazon/Google probably deal with porch pirate complaints all the fucking time
It would be bad business for them to be cunts about it
ancient bolt
it's way cheaper to just eat the cost
acoustic pilot
In the US nobody who owns a home lives in a gated home.
atomic marten
and size 24 font is way too small btw
cosmic raft
wonder how many of them are scams to just get another for free
atomic marten
that isnt true in the slightest byteflux
ancient bolt
it's one of those things where it's cheaper to just let the scammers have it
acoustic pilot
Unless their rich, obviously
ancient bolt
than to be strict about it
atomic marten
or southern
acoustic pilot
The vast majority of homeowners in the US don't live in gated homes.
The vast majority
atomic marten
its really common for country homes
cosmic raft
well yeah, I just wonder how many of them are scams
ancient bolt
The vast majority
atomic marten
98% of "home owners" dont own their homes
upper flicker
markdown hard
cosmic raft
vast
ancient bolt
@cosmic raft I would guess a low percentage tbh. Most people are good people
acoustic pilot
The vast majority of homes aren't gated
cosmic raft
***vast***
acoustic pilot
That goes for home owners and renters
cosmic raft
bold + italic
atomic marten
depends on where you live i guess
ancient bolt
okay im going to sleep
atomic marten
austere ivy
me too
acoustic pilot
Nearly every suburban community is filled with majority ungated homes
austere ivy
adios folks
stiff yarrow
@ancient bolt I was especially worried since phones nowadays cost 600-1400 bucks
acoustic pilot
Even upper class communites
stiff yarrow
ancient bolt
it was a $900 phone, yeha
atomic marten
upper class has gates / gates + security
upper flicker
its going to depend where you are
acoustic pilot
Most don't.
stiff yarrow
I'm on an S7 right now which cost me around 700 or so
upper flicker
no one in the country or otherwise where I grew up had gates
acoustic pilot
Million dollar/2 million dollar homes are vastly ungated.
upper flicker
my anecdote wins
atomic marten
some places 2 mil wont get you a house that has a roof
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my house had a gate
cosmic raft
lots of the expensive homes around here have gates/fencing, but it's the decoration type that is low and easily jumped/etc
acoustic pilot
The 10 million+ networth will probably live in a gated home, but those people are the 1%.
stiff yarrow
what kind of nice neighborhood are you living in byte 
acoustic pilot
I don't live in a nice neighborhood, mine is alright
But apartments in general are often gated
Homes aren't.
atomic marten
depends on where you live, here its the oposite
acoustic pilot
I've lived in Florida, Texas and California.
Suburban communities are vastly ungated.
cosmic raft
yes
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.g bill gates
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there's some gates
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that's a gate
atomic marten
a lot of those have really high property prices though
unreal plaza
atomic marten
so it doesnt go as far
atomic marten
no, thats bill microsoft
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what a lovely gate 2
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fucking I wish
acoustic pilot
Good property in Texas and Florida is actually quite affordable.
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did they give u that cuz ur retarded
atomic marten
what do you mean by "good"?
jolly violet
i watch one video about some brain-eating disease and suddenly youtube wants me to watch videos about every horrific illness ever
acoustic pilot
Your typical American dream picture-perfect suburban community
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot apartments are often gated where you live?
I haven't even seen a gated apartment before
acoustic pilot
The complex is gated yeah
There are 4-5 nearby and I've seen 3 of them, all gated.
atomic marten
gated communities sell so we have them here
stiff yarrow
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mfw
stiff yarrow
I live like 30~ mins from Portland and I've never seen a gated apartment complex
this area isn't cheap either, rent is $$
atomic marten
mfw i 130 tabs open
stiff yarrow
Very expensive
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kash ur gate is those cages u put cats in
acoustic pilot
I live right outside of San Diego
stiff yarrow
there's super cheap rent right outside Portland
acoustic pilot
Due to prices
stiff yarrow
If you're serious about moving to Oregon I can show you which areas next to Portland are pretty cheap
acoustic pilot
20 miles from San Diego city and rent still be like $1175/mo lol
atomic marten
i havent really looked at houses outside of orlando
cosmic raft
San Diego?
stiff yarrow
how many bedrooms Byte?
cosmic raft
Reminds me of Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego?
stiff yarrow
that sounds like a good deal
stiff yarrow
1 bedroom places near where I live are around 1100-1200
pearl ibex
Tries to solve the 1k queens problem
Thinks about a way to reduce the amount of operations
Re-discovers backtracking
Commits suicide
stiff yarrow
dunno about sqft
acoustic pilot
Could live in San Diego for the same cost but it'd be like 400sqft
Like living in a box
stiff yarrow
but there's some areas east of Portland and north of Portland that have really cheap rent and look super nice
I live west of Portland by Intel
and rents super high here from that
acoustic pilot
How far is it from Portland?
atomic marten
i know parts of florida, its not rare to see people sharing aparetments because of cost
stiff yarrow
to drive to Portland from here is about 30 mins, but you can take the MAX and get to Portland faster
atomic marten
ask elon to make it shorter
stiff yarrow
MAX is the rail line we have
acoustic pilot
Sounds like it's probably 20-30 miles from Portland, kind of like where I am in relation to San Diego
stiff yarrow
my mom works in Portland, she drives to the MAX station and takes the MAX into Portland
@acoustic pilot I'm actually 10 miles from Portland
atomic marten
dont you want a boring ride?
stiff yarrow
the traffic into portland is a nightmare
acoustic pilot
You can thank all of us Californians for driving up your cost of living ๐
stiff yarrow
the reason it takes so long to get to Portland
is the traffic
its like 5-10 MPH on the highway entering portland
atomic marten
yikes
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rip
atomic marten
traffic amost never goes that slow here
stiff yarrow
Portland has a really REALLY dumb road setup
Like super duper dumb
all the roads in Portland are TINY
atomic marten
not as fast as miami though, but not too far off
acoustic pilot
At least it's bike friendly!
atomic marten
๐ฒ
acoustic pilot
IIRC, Portland is really good about bike lanes, isn't it?
atomic marten
bike lanes are great
stiff yarrow
tbh I don't remember off hand, I only enter portland maybe 4~ times a year
I avoid it
Portland gives me sketchy vibes
atomic marten
ask for a painter
stiff yarrow
here's the pros of Portland
Amazing Food
here's the cons of Portland
Traffic
Junkies
acoustic pilot
All the tech jobs in Oregon would be in Portland, though, I assume
stiff yarrow
Homeless everywhere
atomic marten
do they need a license to be homeless?
acoustic pilot
Homless everywhere here in California too :<
slim nymph
lol wat
acoustic pilot
Homelessness isn't a crime yet in California, no.
atomic marten
ye, you need a license to be homeless, designated spots that the license gives you, and you can only beg at certain times
acoustic pilot
We're pretty much victim of our high living costs and also victim to neighboring states sending us all their homeless.
atomic marten
and certain places too
stiff yarrow
there's a meth problem in Oregon, a lot of these junkies act erratic and hyper so I avoid walking around in Portland
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license to be homeless?
atomic marten
yes
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sounds completely retarded
acoustic pilot
Basically makes homelessness a crime, sounds like.
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot yeah Homelessness is an issue America deals with very poorly
atomic marten
and helping them is too for some reason
acoustic pilot
America has no social safety nets for the homeless. It's up to private citizens to take care of them through charities/shelters etc
atomic marten
helping homeless is in a lot of places actually
acoustic pilot
Because socialism!
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jfc still stuck on that license to be homeless
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot well obamacare helped a little bit
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what braindead fucktard came up wit that
stiff yarrow
but we need more stuff for them
atomic marten
has to be through charities to help people in loads of placeses
no, obamacare ended up hurting a lot of lower income people
acoustic pilot
Yeah, with the elimination of discrimination against pre-existing conditions and expansion of medicaid in states, it's helped homeless people get access to care.
atomic marten
knew plenty of people who were in that fk'd income spot where the fines ended up being cheaper for them
had its perks though
acoustic pilot
It only hurt low income people in states that didn't expand medicaid.
stiff yarrow
we need actual programs for mental health care and addiction issues for homeless, and some kind of program for them to re-enter the work force once they get better
acoustic pilot
Oregon and California did expand medicaid
And increased coverage for lower income people by A LOT.
A fuck ton
atomic marten
assuming they can afford it
acoustic pilot
IT'S FREE
atomic marten
not all working people could
stiff yarrow
medicaid is free if you are low income
acoustic pilot
Previously those people had NOTHING
stiff yarrow
if you are not low income you probably have private health insurance
acoustic pilot
Now they have FREE care.
atomic marten
again, low income doesnt adjust to cost of living the best in the world
stiff yarrow
if you have private health insurance then medicaid is probably not something you need
atomic marten
maybe my state didnt get it
acoustic pilot
What state?
atomic marten
south carolina
acoustic pilot
Most Republican-controlled states didn't expand their Medicaid, correct.
They rejected it.
atomic marten
they had it, companies pay for it, if they had enough employees
but my city has a lot of small companies
stiff yarrow
isn't California democrat controlled
atomic marten
California is weird
acoustic pilot
California has a Democratic supermajority. It's basically corporate Democrats vs progressive Democrats.
Republicans are powerless for the most part in California state politics.
atomic marten
You cant think of cali in a regular fassion
acoustic pilot
Their ideas are too unpopular for California residents, they always lose.
atomic marten
its SoCal and NoCal
acoustic pilot
So what we end up with is two factions of Democrats.
stiff yarrow
fuzen are you speaking from experience on trying to get medicaid coverage or are you just repeating something you've heard from others 
atomic marten
no, had familly who was trying to get it
but since this state rejected it, cant really state how good it really is 
acoustic pilot
South Carolina has not expanded Medicaid eligibility under the Affordable Care Act. The low-income health insurance program is growing anyway. South Carolina is one of 14 states that continues to turn down federal money to expand eligibility for the low-income Medicaid program.
atomic marten
but the obamacare act forces everyone to get insurance
which is why i was like "wtf"
acoustic pilot
It did until Republicans recently repealed the individual mandate.
This is the first tax year that citizens will not be required to have insurance.
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the only way healthcare costs will ever not be cancer is if everyone has insurance
atomic marten
TIL
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whether thats private or public is where most of the disagreement lay
acoustic pilot
And yeah, the individual mandate was a good thing.
atomic marten
i mean, yes but only if you can afford it
it only works if that got accepted...
should of been all or nothing in the individual states
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as long as hospitals can turn away those with nothing
atomic marten
didnt mix very well
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which ofc they cant
acoustic pilot
Emergency care can't be refused, problem is that a lot of preventable illnesses become emergencies because people are refused access to preventive care.
atomic marten
then coverage for private insurance here has been shrinking like crazy
so thats a thing
whoa, its a billy
acoustic pilot
I'm hoping California re-introduces a state-wide individual mandate that we can use to provide for our own.
unreal quarry
To lower costs, one needs to first look at the cost of medical equipment. I don't mean the electronics.. I mean $150 for an ace bandage, etc.
ancient bolt
Mfw I'm laying in bed and I open discord on my phone aaaand politics
ancient bolt
Politics
atomic marten
Finance
acoustic pilot
Looks like they're already considering it ๐
Reinstate the mandate, fuck the country, we can take care of our own.
atomic marten
I went to go spin up a site to help homeless in california, but then i realized id have to pick some charaities
then i look into them
and most of them are shady af
Not as bad as goodwill though
ancient bolt
There are plenty of well known charities which are not shady
Goodwill is a pretty decent charity
They give jobs though, not things. Pretty much everyone doesn't understand that
unreal quarry
TBH, I believe the insurance mandate could have been a good thing, but greedy people made it a bad thing for a lot of us. You got lucky. I got the shit end of the stick with it. I'm glad to see it gone @acoustic pilot
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if everyone's wage was equal all our problems'd be solved
acoustic pilot
Well my state didn't actively work against the ACA.
Not so much a matter of luck as it was being in a state that actually embraced the ACA and didn't resist it.
unreal quarry
I didn't chose to be born in texas :p it's luck
acoustic pilot
I chose to live in California, though
atomic marten
whats wrong with it
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I think the law that tried (and failed) to switch us over is still technically in effect
so we do!
(we just dont)
unreal quarry
I agree. So does Congress. It keeps getting delayed
atomic marten
I enjoy not having to say "the temp went up .5" to represent 5 degrees in some temps
unreal quarry
@void void ^
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tbh we should just replace the usa entirely
acoustic pilot
The US gives too much power to states, it's been a boon and a curse.
void void
we all need to be more like china
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the law was toothless so no one switched
acoustic pilot
There's definitely a lot of wiggle room between unfettered capitalism and socialism.
Social democracy strikes a nice balance, IMO.
And it's what most of the EU uses.
unreal quarry
Don't worry, @acoustic pilot. Texas is ready to secede
acoustic pilot
Texas won't secede because it can't.
atomic marten
can join mexico together
acoustic pilot
๐
unreal quarry
I heard a lot of Californians are moving to Texas right now, but I didn't follow up on why
limber knotBOT
taxes
acoustic pilot
A lot of Californians are moving out, just as a lot of people are moving in.
Definitely finances plays a huge part of it.
atomic marten
cali is expensive
atomic marten
this time, they will get swallowed up by another country
acoustic pilot
I'd like to see Texas' militia try and fight the federal military.
upper flicker
that happened last time too
unreal quarry
Me too, byte ^_^
atomic marten
does cali / texas even have their own reliable income stream?
unreal quarry
I wonder which has more arms ^_^
acoustic pilot
California produces most of the US' GDP
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I just assume thats one of those loljoking faces
atomic marten
the 1/2 that wants to leave? or no
acoustic pilot
Wrong wording lol
acoustic pilot
California is 2.5 trillion, Texas is 1.7 trillion
atomic marten
if i remember californias poll to secede was ~50/50
acoustic pilot
California also produces most of the countries fruits and veggies, IIRC.
California secession is a right-wing plot ๐
And not a serious left-wing sentiment.
atomic marten
Florida has a lot of cows, because people have farms to get reduced property tax
acoustic pilot
There's also attempts to try and split California into 3 states
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3 states :>
atomic marten
i thought it was just NoCal and SoCal
acoustic pilot
California is one state.
atomic marten
is it NoCal SoCal and SimiCal?
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Upper California Middle California Lower California
acoustic pilot
Basically, yes
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whatever u fuks choose to name urselves it's always going to alias to retarded
void void
trees suck and leaves are the worst part
atomic marten
xi jinping has been in the communist party since he was 21 
acoustic pilot
Secession is stupid, any how. Both Texas and California would be suckier if they left the US.
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why do you keep bringing up pooh
atomic marten
no, they would lose trump
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we dont have any honey
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would ur grammar git gud
atomic marten
nop
acoustic pilot
Trump is a temporary thing and his existence hasn't really changed much in the grand scheme of things.
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ur literally temporary
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never underestimate the ability of the left to blow a golden opportunity
atomic marten
thats true for a lot of our leaders
unreal quarry
Inb4 Trump gets reelected
atomic marten
probably
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he will watch
acoustic pilot
I say he has a 60% chance, IMO
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wtf is with the weeb emotes
atomic marten
acoustic pilot
He's going to run virtually uncontested and he has 80-90% party approval.
And people are desensitized to him now.
atomic marten
people were ok with him before
acoustic pilot
Uncontested within his own party, I mean
atomic marten
he has a way of pissing people off though e.e
atomic marten
if you screw up bad enough, it can be done
atomic marten
but the current group are all children, so i doubt it
acoustic pilot
The Democratic primary will be interesting, will be fun to watch the shitstorm lol
acoustic pilot
Bernie is my guy, I'm rooting for him, but wouldn't surprise me if it devolves into infighting.
atomic marten
im going to need to stock up on cerimonial matcha to sip on while i watch
Never understood bernie
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does the democratic party got a clear candidate?
acoustic pilot
Nope
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well now
acoustic pilot
We'll have to wait to see who emerges
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there's polling
atomic marten
probably not hilary again
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but this early its meaningless
unreal quarry
I thought Bernie was y'all's man
acoustic pilot
Beto O'Rourke fucking announcing pissed me off. I like the guy but I don't think it's his time
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Beto isnt a serious candidate
he's in it to drive the party to the left on the things he cares about
atomic marten
trump wasnt either
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there's a few others like that
atomic marten
he wasnt even running to become pres origionally
upper flicker
beto isnt trump
stiff yarrow
isn't the communist party the only party in China for all intents and purposes
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not even in the same camp
atomic marten
no
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depends if youre doing business with china or not
stiff yarrow
it's like trying to run in the election against Vladimir Putin isn't it, pointless to oppose
atomic marten
o, no its diffrent
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its not that different
atomic marten
you dont run against him
acoustic pilot
Correct, the power is in the few, not the many
In that regard, they are the same.
atomic marten
the democratic party you dont run against xi
stiff yarrow
we're talking about a country where saying bad stuff about the government gets you thrown in secret prison
atomic marten
its a seprate entity
acoustic pilot
I don't see China's social credit system too much different from credit scores in the west, at least in its current incarnation.
But surely it will get worse.
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china has actual credit scores already
atomic marten
if you want socialism, social credit scores is what we would need
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no it isnt
atomic marten
it is
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no
socialism the economic theory isnt socialism the authoritarian state
even if youre completely anti-socialism you cant be that daft
stiff yarrow
social credit is different
atomic marten
i was assuming that we would never get true socialism like every other part of the world
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wat
unreal quarry
Politics are hard :( why can't we just go along and just live our lives without "higher powers" ruling over us :/
upper flicker
that doesnt make it better
acoustic pilot
Not that much different. Credit scores in the west can have a very similar affect on one's life.
To my knowledge, people aren't being thrown in prison yet for poor social credit.
upper flicker
your credit score isnt based on how much time you spend online
atomic marten
credit score companies having your information wrong, doesnt have to be fixed
so it might just be worse
stiff yarrow
acoustic pilot
I mean yeah I agree China's approach is more overt and wide-ranging, but still very similar to the kind of damage credit scores can have on one's life, too IMO
atomic marten
i dont think chinas approach is perfect
acoustic pilot
I definitely don't agree with it.
stiff yarrow
I think the comparison you make between credit scores and social credit scores having similar effects on someone's lives is a bit of a stretch
atomic marten
credit scores can keep you from buying anything
unreal quarry
Credit scores can also keep you from getting jobs
acoustic pilot
Credit scores are no joke
atomic marten
and people have been marked as dead, / mixed up with other people
and you cant get it fixed, which is the real horror
acoustic pilot
They can and do very much have a huge impact on your life depending on how good or bad they are.
stiff yarrow
seems like you guys are exaggerating a bit imo
atomic marten
no
upper flicker
Im not even convinced fuzen lives here
but china's system just isnt perfect
okay overall
๐
atomic marten
i didnt say chinas was what
acoustic pilot
China's system is terrible, but so are credit scores.
unreal quarry
My credit score is 580. It was in the 300s few years ago. I know the impacts it has. :(
acoustic pilot
As horrific as they are, I'm not endorsing or praising China's system either, in fact I think it's worse than credit scores.
atomic marten
sorry for not marking things as /s
acoustic pilot
I just don't think they are that dissimilar.
stiff yarrow
I would have to ask what kind of job checks your credit score, seems like it'd be related to responsibility over finances and if so then it'd make sense
unreal quarry
The thing I hate most about credit scores is you can get negative marks against it even without using credit for anything
That's how mine got ruined.
atomic marten
not using credit is bad for it
upper flicker
they basically get a summary of whether or not youre paying your bills
stiff yarrow
yeah
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idk how much better that really is
upper flicker
Im sure the argument is brought up over and over that there's plenty of people who want that job in order to better pay their bills
acoustic pilot
Though not all employers will check your credit score before hiring you, and most employers wonโt rule out a candidate just because they have a bad credit score, your credit score could have an impact on how youโre seen by prospective employers. If they run a report and see that youโve had a checkered financial history, and realize youโll be handling financial responsibilities in the office, they may believe youโre underqualified, and move onto other candidates.
atomic marten
and some cell carriers wont take y ou
upper flicker
the counterargument being how many others are fraudsters looking for a quick buck or incapable of managing money or acting responsiblly
unreal quarry
Worst hit on my credit was even a total lie. Apt complex said I broke a lease and added $3600 worth of cleanup for a dirty apartment that I turned in clean and on time with my lease agreement. Sadly, it's my word against theirs so couldn't even do anything about it :/
stiff yarrow
@atomic marten credit scores are used for loans, it doesn't make it impossible to get those things without credit. And its not like its impossible to raise the score.
acoustic pilot
Similarly, your credit score affects housing in more ways than solely influencing your mortgage rates and availability. Landlords will frequently check prospective tenantsโ credit scores before choosing whether to rent the apartment to them; obviously, if a tenant has a history of missing payments, or being late with payments, theyโre going to be secondary options to tenants with strong financial backgrounds.
My credit score was checked before I moved in
atomic marten
Sure, but you need to get someone to approve of letting you raise it
unreal quarry
Everyone I know knows it's a lie too, because in the report it said I left beer cans all over the place. I don't drink. Ever.
atomic marten
not impossible
but it can be really hard
but there are mistakes that happen, that do lead to not being able to
acoustic pilot
Imagine getting a new job and being unable to rent because of poor credit history ๐
atomic marten
cant get a home / reliable transportation -> lose your job bills fall further behind -> credit shrinks
stiff yarrow
atomic marten
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
upper flicker
get your juice outta here pepe man
atomic marten
acoustic pilot
If you've never crawled out of credit score hell, it's probably difficult to understand ๐
upper flicker
:peepoChocolateMilk:
unreal quarry
Pretty funny, though. Last year I started getting credit cards just so I can start counter balancing all the negative shit on my report that shouldn't even be therem. So far it's working. Gone from 300s to just under 600 ^_^
atomic marten
just earning basic credit from no history was a pain
stiff yarrow
ngl seems like you guys are exaggerating quite a bit, although I do sympathize with Billy having his credit score dinged from a landlord lying
unreal quarry
I wish I was exaggerating.
stiff yarrow
if you can afford a car loan you can probably afford a cheap used car, so idk about the anecdote about not being able to get a car
atomic marten
https://www.jch-law.com/how-do-i-correct-being-marked-as-deceased-on-my-credit-reports/ if there needs to be things like this, you know there is a problem
acoustic pilot
Buying a cheap used car isn't going to help your credit score.
upper flicker
everyones gonna live a different life with different issues
some people are gonna go through with no credit issues
stiff yarrow
no one said it would @acoustic pilot
acoustic pilot
The problem of having bad credit and the symptoms of that remain
upper flicker
just kinda the nature of it
atomic marten
you have to have debt out to get credit
but they have to be willing to give you debt
unreal quarry
Buying a brand new car doesn't help either, @acoustic pilot. I bought a brand new 2017 Kia Forte. Credit didn't budge an inch from it. Never been late either.
acoustic pilot
One of those symptoms being, that you have to buy a cheap used car lol
atomic marten
that breaks
stiff yarrow
there are things you can do to raise credit score if its bad, such as secured cards
atomic marten
need to take out more debt to cover the broken car
upper flicker
how well that works is going to depend a lot on your past history
unreal quarry
I have like 5 unsecured cards now @stiff yarrow. And 2 unsecured loans from a credit union I didn't even need. Just doing things on credit now to up the score ^_^
atomic marten
it is possible to get out, but getting out relies on nothing going wrong in the process of raising it
stiff yarrow
if you are living paycheck to paycheck then an autoloan was never an option in the first place @atomic marten
unreal quarry
I could get another unsecured loan, but I feel that'll stretch my paycheck too thin
atomic marten
plenty of people starting out from debt hell are living paycheck to paycheck
stiff yarrow
all of your examples so far are grossly exaggerated fuzen
unreal quarry
Oh, and Fingerhut. Magical little place. I opened a $1200 line of credit with them, too. Just for the upper. Lol
stiff yarrow
1200
unreal quarry
They're shit is expensive tho. So I don't really use it. I bought a GoPro hero 5 last year for $400 on it, and that's it.
Could have got the same thing from Amazon for $200
But, I see it as I'm buying my credit score back /shrug
stiff yarrow
the score will be good eventually
atomic marten
just dont get badly hurt, or lose your job where you cant pay it back, it you will be fine
acoustic pilot
I wonder what my score's at now, can check through my bank actually, they have it updated monthly
unreal quarry
You can check it with Experian for free
atomic marten
you can check it with plenty of things
unreal quarry
It's not detailed, but it shows the score at least
stiff yarrow
my credit card gives me a way to check it on their website
acoustic pilot
unreal quarry
Ew, FICO score 9. No one ises that
unreal quarry
Iirc 3 is what most lenders use. It's harsher, more in their favor
atomic marten
credit rating
acoustic pilot
Lenders use FICO 8
stiff yarrow
@atomic marten pretty sure 300 is the bottom score
unreal quarry
That's mine, @acoustic pilot
atomic marten
based on that, Screenshot ye
acoustic pilot
Nice, almost 600. Stay on top of your stuff, maybe aim to get that at 650+ by the end of this year if you can
atomic marten
also, i forgot what software buttons looked like
unreal quarry
I still got a lot of digging before I dig my way out of this hole ;)
stiff yarrow
how long ago did you start making an effort to raise the score?
unreal quarry
Started with a credit union loan back on Xmas of 2017. They advertised a deal, 12/12/12. $1200 for 12 months with only $12 in interest
After that got a few credit card offers, so I applied and got them.
acoustic pilot
Try not to have too many ๐
Really 2 should be enough
And use them for everything
stiff yarrow
I think he mentioned having 5 secured cards a moment ago
acoustic pilot
Always pay your last statement balance before the next statement date.
unreal quarry
Then I paid off that loan and got same thing again Xmas 2018. Then got a personal loan from them for $1200 with higher interest.
acoustic pilot
And your score will go up easy.
atomic marten
also, @stiff yarrow the problems with identity mixups and being marked as dead, are "exaggerated" in the since that it isnt common, but the point was that , it does happen, and it happens way more than it should
unreal quarry
They offered me up to $5k for the loan, but I only did $1200 again. Gotta stay within my means ^_^
acoustic pilot
It's a trap! ๐
unreal quarry
I didn't even need the money. It's sitting in a checking account at the same credit union, untouched. They just pull out from there what's owed each month lol
atomic marten
because they arent
acoustic pilot
Man I really want the Citi Double Cash card
Earn 2% cash back on purchases: 1% when you buy plus 1% as you pay
stiff yarrow
I buyone thing a month on my credit card and then immediately pay that online once the transaction clears, ez credit score lifting
acoustic pilot
On ALL purchases.
atomic marten
Apple credit card
atomic marten
ye
upper flicker
can I just buy that
atomic marten
they have 2% cachback with apple pay purchases, which is cool too
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wtf is a titanium credit card
stiff yarrow
my credit card has 1% cashback on all purchases and 2% at gas stations or food
upper flicker
they made the card out of titanium
atomic marten
and 3% with apple purchases
cosmic raft
a credit card made out of titanium
upper flicker
or probably some blend thats like 1% titanium and mostly other random metals
atomic marten
ye, card out of titanium, cause apple
upper flicker
still cool
static badge
mfw
cosmic raft
google should come out with a card now
upper flicker
their "sapphire" isnt normal sapphire either
atomic marten
the apple card is a trap, to lock you into their ecosystem
upper flicker
but at their scale and price point if it was that'd be bad
atomic marten
google cant really do it, because of the way android is designed, kinda like how they cant get something like imessage
worldly condor
btw lucko is funny
This means you don't have to shade MBs of libraries into your jar. It's as simple as adding an annotation to your plugins class. while we should shade his helper
atomic marten
it would be just, another card though
upper flicker
google totally could get something like imessage
they had it for a very short time even
but they fucked it up
because thats what google does
stiff yarrow
shade all the libraries in and make a big fat JAR
atomic marten
they have a problem with fragmentation that limits them
stiff yarrow
fatter jars are healthier
upper flicker
rinse and repeat
golden gust
"its funny that I have to shade in a small library in place of shading in multiple MBs of libraries"
worldly condor
@golden gust its not small
golden gust
Nor do you have to grab the full library
worldly condor
i shaded the helper and my jar got 4 mb
stiff yarrow
atomic marten
at least its not electron
worldly condor
while it was 300 kb with shaded acf
golden gust
If you really want, copy over the needed classes, or use excludes
worldly condor
without shading helper
golden gust
For a library like acf, helper doesn't make too much sense
stiff yarrow
my plugin is 1.2~ MB before shading
worldly condor
i need it to add to the classpath dbs
slim nymph
300kb is NOTHING
atomic marten
does java really make sense if you are tight on resources
worldly condor
@slim nymph ik
upper flicker
I mean
the JVM is basically the heaviest part of the whole thing
really gonna depend on how tight you are on it
cosmic raft
I really don't understand what the recent "oh my fucking god my JAR is 2MB!!!!" the past few months
worldly condor
in helper i use only ExtendedJavaPlugin and the MavenLibrary annotation
cosmic raft
it's fucking 2019 and people aren't on dialup
slim nymph
@cosmic raft its just ivan
atomic marten
my biggest gripe with java is the jvm e.e
upper flicker
I feel bad for whoever gets up one day and says "I want to run java on this new platform and architecture"
cosmic raft
another example being md_5 stripping fastutil for no reason
except to make the jar smaller
for no reason
atomic marten
but yea, most people arent in a situation where the size actually matters, if you are going to complain about this, complain about browsers using 4gb to load up a website thats a few mb or someitmes kb
upper flicker
those news sites with the super heavy frontpages
atomic marten
and that discord is using electron btw
worldly condor
lucko's apis are so complicated that if you want to copy 1 class you should copy 5 or 6 more ...
upper flicker
nothing like 10MB of html and JS
stiff yarrow
if you're running your MC server in a datacenter you don't care about bandwidth at that point
slim nymph
if your js is only 10mb, you aint coding much
atomic marten
you shouldnt care at home
upper flicker
I mean, there's a middle ground where you do care
stiff yarrow
@worldly condor are you talking about dependencies? that's just how stuff works
static badge
nothing like 500mb of js libraries
slim nymph
for js it matters some due to celluar speeds
upper flicker
@static badge gotta delete my 50,000 node_modules
atomic marten
node modules ๐
worldly condor
from helper i use the ExtendedJavaPlugin and the MavenLibrary annotation
i need only these
static badge
ah js
worldly condor
not all of the crap helper offers me
static badge
please get old and die
acoustic pilot
dat du -s node_modules so big, shit overflows
cosmic raft
its ok, i'm going to start shipping application downloads with an entire OS and everything.
new skywars plugin, comes with windows 10 pro!!!
only 10.8GB
atomic marten
most of the libraries should be std tbh
stiff yarrow
then just shade the only classes you need
worldly condor
kashike: shading windows in it...
atomic marten
please, im using tiny core linux
upper flicker
btw I use arch 
worldly condor
if i compile mongo and jedis only, the file gets 3 mb, when i compile helper - 4
better shading dat instead of using dat helper
cosmic raft
WHO FUCKING CARES
atomic marten
Tiny core is 11mb
atomic marten
remember, an entire OS ends up smaller than java's std
worldly condor
MrIvanPlays: lets turn on kashike's rage quitter on
stiff yarrow
its true though, why does it even matter if your JAR gets 1MB fatter from a dependency
atomic marten
i just spread part of the cancer
worldly condor
it matters because of spigot's size limit
stiff yarrow
what size limit
atomic marten
how many kb does it take to put the man on the moon?
worldly condor
if this wasn't there no problems shading windows inside
limber knotBOT
what are the placeholders for waterfall
stiff yarrow
that's a huge JAR
worldly condor
@upper flicker 5
cosmic raft
5 obviously
atomic marten
so i cant have a 10GB jar 
cosmic raft
md_5
worldly condor
LOL
golden gust
Bungee doesn't have placeholders...
upper flicker
if youre shading lots of libs it adds up
golden gust
If you have placeholders, those are added by plugins, which: consult your plugins
cosmic raft
github releases, dropbox, google drive, onedrive
stiff yarrow
at a certain point you're probably shading in something you don't really need
cosmic raft
and many many others
upper flicker
I still dont understand the allure of that system
atomic marten
need a command to byte stream windodws through minecraft for encrypted communication
cosmic raft
what system
upper flicker
their duct taped xenforo thing
cosmic raft
ah
static badge
mfw ur insulting duct tape
golden gust
"it """works""""
atomic marten
would you like to try gentoo
static badge
ur braincells are literally attached via duct tape
atomic marten
err, depends
atomic marten
most of hte time arch works fine, if you really need perofmance on intel cpus, you should be using clearlinux
upper flicker
eh I wouldnt switch distros just for clearlinux
vestal jasper
atomic marten
it is pretty nice though, but everything feels like building a docker container
upper flicker
ofc the last time I ran openbsd I pretty much ended up compiling everything there
maybe thats the new answer
cosmic raft
upper flicker
get that mint shit outta here
atomic marten
then there is also nixOS
atomic marten
have you tried nixOS?
upper flicker
not in any real world thing
atomic marten
nix is pgood package manager
i use it over brew on my mac
linuxbrew is great if you want to use linux from scratch
i feel like a java dev, cramming my entire website & its resources in a single binary
upper flicker
@cosmic raft 
limber knotBOT
But, why?!
limber knotBOT
Like, I guess they might be better at "bottling" stuff that arch is, vs the AUR doing all helper stuff for you
cosmic raft
@upper flicker 
atomic marten
o the aur is way better than linuxbrew
upper flicker
AUR is basically the defacto reason to run arch
atomic marten
^
upper flicker
that and maybe the rolling packages
but technically you can do that elsewhere
even if its never quite as nice
limber knotBOT
Yea, that's pretty much why I don't get it
cosmic raft
I ran archlinux on my server from 2016 until earlier this year
and run arch on my desktop since 2013 or 2014
atomic marten
openSuse had something similar to aur
limber knotBOT
if you wanna install packages outside of your OS, use arch; Don't shove homebrew on your linux bux o.O
atomic marten
my server runs on arch actually
upper flicker
@golden gust yeah why would you run homebrew when you can use chocolatey on linux
cosmic raft
the only problem you had often was maven or something, right Z?
cosmic raft
kek
upper flicker
"btw the ABI changed but we have this compat thing but its not default"
random builds just failing
rip waterfall
cosmic raft
running OpenSSL 1.1.1b on desktop
atomic marten
now i dont usually use openssl for deps
cosmic raft
1.0.2g on vps
upper flicker
getting to experience wget silently extracting gzipped content was also fun
never considered that even a remote possibility
cosmic raft
and 1.1.0g on other vps
atomic marten
just put it in docker, problem solved
cosmic raft
vps: Docker version 18.06.1-ce, build e68fc7a
desktop: Docker version 18.09.3-ce, build 774a1f4eee
golden gust
Ah, think I remember that one lol
upper flicker
here I thought the point of wget was to just gimme files without needing a switch like curl
cosmic raft
I rarely use wget, curl is bae
atomic marten
i rarly use wget, aria is love
static badge
ah I remember that bug 2
upper flicker
its like the usb port thing
the super position
gotta try both before you find the one
golden gust
aria is nice, especially as it supports all the things pretty much
I hate the lack of standard packages across distros
I recall being annoyed at distros not including nano, so I ended up learning to use vim enough
atomic marten
i think one of the dumbest things ive done is making a discord bot in bash
Vim is love
upper flicker
what distro doesnt at least package nano
golden gust
And now, I get annoyed at distros that ship nano by default without vim \o/
cosmic raft
yeah, what doesn't include nano?
atomic marten
use vi if they dont have vim
cosmic raft
everyone i've used has included nano
golden gust
What does cent shim with?
upper flicker
vi
golden gust
*ship
golden gust
Yea, I stick to ubuntu these days, or arch for personal stuff
upper flicker
just different enough to cause problems
atomic marten
dont think nano is part of busybox is it?
golden gust
NOPE
atomic marten
ye
it does
it has completions with zsh too
because, the liveiso isnt bash
i think it ships with xserver too
upper flicker
I started using nvim a while ago
atomic marten
# If not running interactively, don't do anything
[[ $- != *i* ]] && return
export PATH="$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH:$HOME/.cargo/bin"
exec /usr/bin/fish # Set interactive shell to fish
cough
upper flicker
I started being a bad person and just symlinking vim in bin because I got annoyed it wasnt there when I switched users
cosmic raft
https://github.com/kashike/dotfiles/blob/master/zsh/.config/zsh/functions.zsh these are things I use all the time
atomic marten
you mean neovim right?
upper flicker
yeah
cosmic raft
as are the aliases and insteadOfs in https://github.com/kashike/dotfiles/blob/master/git/.gitconfig
very useful and very much used
cosmic raft
git clone gh:PaperMC/Paper
atomic marten
i nuke my systems a lot though
upper flicker
most of mine are just there because I get sick of typing out some long directory path
or remembering the IP of a server
cosmic raft
~/.ssh/config gets quite a bit of use from me
specifying ports for hosts, specifying hacks
best one being
Host deployment.github.com
Hostname github.com
User git
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/deploy_ed25519
mine is empty af
# Added by Krypton
Host *
IdentityAgent ~/.kr/krd-agent.sock
ProxyCommand /usr/bin/krssh %h %p
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_krypton
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_ed25519
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_ecdsa
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_dsa
das it
cosmic raft
heh
cosmic raft
vps:
$ cat ~/.ssh/config
Host github.com
IdentityFile ~/.ssh/ic_rsa
my longest was when i used my yubikey for ssh