yes
#general
cosmic raft
acoustic pilot
you trynna run your server on nodejs runtime? lol
i don't think that's how it works buddy
gloomy sphinx
it came like that!
I did not touch
why did it come like this
the heck is going on
gloomy sphinx
yeah ill do that
gloomy sphinx
This is essentially a default ptero install
stock
so I have no idea why 10-alpine would be set
I wonder if there is a reason
void void
oh this is for the panel itself
gloomy sphinx
It's the daemon dockerfile though
My panel is on another server
Unless there are two dockerfiles on the daemon install?
void void
i have no idea whats going on ๐
gloomy sphinx
yeah but where would that go?
void void
the daemon is node, so that makes sense
void void
quay.io/pterodactyl/core:java
i guess swap that for your own custom image
based upon their one i linked
gloomy sphinx
yeah you're right that will probably do it
void void
maybe you should be asking in their support channel
gloomy sphinx
yeah I did but I dont think people know how
everyone here seems to know everything
void void
its cool that pterodactyl uses docker
gloomy sphinx
yeah I like it
I need to fully read the docker docs because I am only half familiar with it
missing lots of the puzzle pieces but I use it with unraid a lot
Well it looks like ptero screwed up the paper egg
cosmic raft
the what
gloomy sphinx
quay.io/pterodactyl/core:java where the spigot egg is using quay.io/pterodactyl/core:java-glibc
and that is why I am receiving plugin errors
the egg!
native thunder
I think the egg files are on parker's github
Eggs are basically templates for servers
gloomy sphinx
https://hastebin.com/gapobipoqa.bash strange error is now gone after switching to the spigot egg or switching the paper egg to use glibc
gloomy sphinx
the ptero team screwed us over!
cosmic raft
so PR a fix
gloomy sphinx
done but that sucks if users on ptero select the paper egg
then from then on think paper is the issue for plugins not loading
lavish lichen
ptero ๐คข
gloomy sphinx
@cosmic raft
probably not a good thing for paper?
considering plugins dont really load properly
nevermind, I see it is the plugin devs issue for not supporting openjdk
acoustic pilot
Could see the blame go both ways
Certain things need glibc
Running in a glibc environment offers the most support
Native libraries are going to be the most compatible with glibc
I'd be a bit surprised if sqlite/java even worked in a musl-c environment.
gloomy sphinx
I sent a message to the plugin dev anyway just to see what he says
not my place though
acoustic pilot
If I were a dev and someone told me my shit doesn't run in musl
I'd tell them to fuck off and use glibc
gloomy sphinx
even though it uses a old oracle jdk image?
gloomy sphinx
so musl is the new shit and glibc is the old shit
gloomy sphinx
oh i see
acoustic pilot
it's possible to use glibc in alpine though
gloomy sphinx
but should we?
acoustic pilot
uh, if you have native libraries, yes
glibc is the most widely used C library
musl is the underdog here
gloomy sphinx
any reason to move to musl?
acoustic pilot
smaller footprint
gloomy sphinx
yeah then who knows why they went with muscl for paper and glibc for spigot
acoustic pilot
they probably think people aren't running native libraries in a minecraft server
which would be an absolutely batshit stupid assumption to make
void void
cool
acoustic pilot
If they're shifting the blame to plugin developers because a plugin uses a native library that doesn't work in musl, it's 100% Ptero's fault.
They're the ones forcing an unsupported c lib.
Fortunately they do let you change it, but musl certainly should not be the default.
void void
alpine considered harmful
acoustic pilot
Getting glibc on alpine is easy enough ๐
Pulls 10M+
Oracle Java 8 (and 7) with GLIBC 2.28 over AlpineLinux
upper flicker
well if you have no friends or coworkers to recommend it to
you cant recommend it to them
so youre not likely at all
void void
thanks, im not good at math
void void
its bad
upper flicker
so powerful
that shows how powerful it is
what a wonderful language
I wish all languages were like that
upper flicker
thats one more = than most other languages
theyre really dialing up the language features
so inspirational
All these wonderful features, power, speed, and the amazing community behind it, its no wonder spottedleaf loves JS so much
clearly its an ecosystem thats just as great as he is
they're a match made in heaven
void void
shell vine
yea thats one thing i noticed about android after switching, random shit keeps getting installed
normal echo
What phone do you have?
shell vine
note 9 for me idk sweepy
normal echo
Pretty sure it depends on manufacturer in regards to random shit being installed
sonic sage
Out of curiosity how did you guys get the graphic for papermc on Discord?
shell vine
yea like bixby
upper flicker
Get listed as an OSS server with Discord, email them 300 times, get verified
supposedly the graphics are going to come to everyone eventually
woven otter
just like tacos and they will verify you
acoustic pilot
there's also a member count requirement isn't there
not just any OSS project can get listed
I assume
upper flicker
thats part of the initial OSS listing
their GH repo you submit the PR with your logo and invite code to has the details on that
acoustic pilot
so like you need to be a fairly popular OSS project, I take it
upper flicker
Verification might require that
I never did actually get them to say what they were looking for
just that we apparently met the req
the GH repo is relatively lax, just needs 1000 members or 1000 stars
Your community is not Discord-focused (for example, Discord bots or modifications are not accepted).
Your community has at least 1,000 members, or the GitHub repo has at least 1,000 stars.
Your community adheres to the Discord community guidelines.
thats not nothing but its not that hard to get 1000 people into say an MC server focused guild
acoustic pilot
yeah that's not too bad
heady spear
We managed to do it, so everyone else can ๐
upper flicker
it was pretty impressive that many people joined a server with you in it
did you just hide or what?
heady spear
pretty much owo
void void
watup
upper flicker
tacos
heady spear
sexy tiem
woven otter
murder
void void
am usin some stoopid discord cli but it's kinda cool at the same time
heady spear
0x0
heady spear
do some1 want to rp?
woven otter
rp?
upper flicker
sure
heady spear
am furry now
woven otter
roleplay?
void void
heady spear
strokes my tail
void void
idk why dat sent twice :( or at least it shows dat way on here lol
acoustic pilot
.g furry con
heady spear
"link" -> sends screenshot
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_convention -- Furry convention - Wikipedia: "A furry convention is a formal gathering of members of the furry fandom โ people who are interested in the concept of fictional non-human animal..."
woven otter
well technically he sent a link of screenshot
void void
https://github.com/cloudrex/discord-term <-- is npm app
void void
discord can ban you for using third party clients
fair warning
yeah i heard and took the risk, no report pls
heady spear
all report simple
void void
no pls
acoustic pilot
lol, banning for third party clients using a virtually open protocol
void void
they ban using your personal acct token with the API
heady spear
simple I've sent 45 reports now
void void
however, that could be stopped...easily lol. using a different token type and having the API recognize that. but watever
pls no
heady spear
ur banned
void void
i can't believe you've done this
i know they probably wont ban you just for using it, but i hate the fact that they say they will
apparently it's ok to use that client with a bot token
so u can make a bot and use the bot like a normal user with that client lol
heady spear
too late bcuz ur getting banned so like
void void
ill be back to haunt your ass
heady spear
maybe u should have followed the rules dude
limber knotBOT
gives simple a spicy taco
hands simple a perfect puffy taco filled with steak and topped with salsa, onion and avocado!
heady spear
"puffy taco" wat
void void
ill puff your taco
heady spear
puffy taco is what I nicknamed my ass
void void
tmi
i want to use this client and just say screw it if i get banned
lol it's kind of annoying though, you have to create tags for everything you use commonly via the channel id; else get the channel id every time lol
discord sucks
i.e. /g <guildid>; /c <channelid> or /tag <name> <id> then /g $<name> or /c $<name>
vestal jasper
They say they will so they can when they want to and dont get fucked when they decide to.
Even if its not enforced often
void void
wait so is it using user endpoints or just bot endpoints?
it seems to use discord.js so i guess its just using bot endpoints
heady spear
why is vic here
void void
Discord's API provides a separate type of user account dedicated to automation, called a bot account. Bot accounts can be created through the applications page, and are authenticated using a token (rather than a username and password). Unlike the normal OAuth2 flow, bot accounts have full access to all API routes without using bearer tokens, and can connect to the Real Time Gateway. Automating normal user accounts (generally called "self-bots") outside of the OAuth2/bot API is forbidden, and can result in an account termination if found.
that's wat it sez
.>
heady spear
that's wat it sex indeed
void void
vestal jasper
@heady spear
heady spear
vic have sexy tiem with me now
void void
why dont they just block it for regular accounts then
vestal jasper
No
heady spear
am need study exam but no want so u help
vestal jasper
City make me a plugin
void void
you just have to pull it out of the browser local storage
heady spear
no vic sexy tiem
vestal jasper
No
void void
so it's kind of...like...wat? bc im using my own bot token
heady spear
i have swing plz
vestal jasper
Plugin time
heady spear
no
vestal jasper
Yes
heady spear
plz no
vestal jasper
Im leaving the server
heady spear
oh no
vestal jasper
You disappoint me
void void
upper flicker
@void void 
heady spear
cute
woven otter
ur name is fuked up
heady spear
r u d e
woven otter
not rude if true
void void
๏ผฃ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ ๏ฝ
upper linden
upper flicker
what did you do to city's name
void void
discord can ban you for using third party clients
well, generally they ban you if you mod og client
upper flicker
they can ban you for whatever they want https://i.imgur.com/2Nf5Anh.jpg
gusty idol
@void void Did you delete your Discord server again?
void void
says @upper flicker the man who retired #paper the irc version
void void
IT SAID THE BRIDGE WAS STOPPED.
limber knotBOT
ok am happ then
gusty idol
How does the new command system in 1.13 work with old plugins
Does it break anything?
gusty idol
upper flicker
so if youre just returning basic results youre okay
if youre doing stupid shit it just got a lot more expensive
limber knotBOT
o i c i c there is #paper-help
gusty idol
Why would you they do that
gusty idol
What
upper flicker
its complicated
they have to
bukkit cant pregenerate a list of possible subcommands and tab completions and inform the client before hand
upper flicker
because bukkit doesnt necessarily know wtf youre doing in your executors
it has a much nicer auto complete yes
void void
@gusty idol safe yourself some overthinking and use ACF https://github.com/aikar/commands
void void
dont ree ACF
upper flicker
ACF doesnt save you from the issue
void void
ACF is life
void void
ACF OR DIE @gusty idol
upper flicker
it just makes it nicer to write the same old executors youve been writing
void void
I challenge you to a duel
gusty idol
I guess I'll die
void void
@upper flicker you're right but shut up
they can ban you for whatever they want
ye lol
gusty idol
What if you have a server network that uses Docker to make each minigame running a different server and then stop/delete the server once the game is over
And each server won't have more than say, 20 players
void void
although i am having trouble with ACF a lil bit with a command that has 2 contexts. it can do it but the autocomplete fux up bc there is no way to do a conditional autocomplete unless there is and im rarted
gusty idol
Even when completing player names, it shouldn't make the server lag too much, should it
void void
i mean, my network is using docker
it shouldn't
i commonly provision new containers, delete containers etc
not a big deal
gusty idol
What the fuck
heady spear
gusty idol
I'm looking at the cpython source code
What is the point of this
int
PyToken_ThreeChars(int c1, int c2, int c3)
{
switch (c1) {
case '*':
switch (c2) {
case '*':
switch (c3) {
case '=': return DOUBLESTAREQUAL;
}
break;
}
break;```Why don't they just do this?
int
PyToken_ThreeChars(int c1, int c2, int c3)
{
switch (c1) {
case '*':
if (c2 == '*' && c3 == '=') {
return DOUBLESTAREQUAL;
}
break;
it's gonna get optimized by compiler anyway
gusty idol
Isn't it the BSD style
upper flicker
I dont remember what its actually named
void void
so doesn't matter
gusty idol
It's not because "it's gonna get optimized by compiler anyway" that you should write code that will make any sane developer throw up
gusty idol
Also why do they just int instead of char for the parameters
void void
pytoken_threechars func name should give you a hint already
void void
try bitching at them :P
seems like another case of "project has grown large, no need to touch if it works"
see git blame
i wonder who made it and when
i bet it's from python 1.x
upper flicker
its autogenerated
they may have other cases where they actually need the switch cases
and given that its autogen template code anyway theyre fine letting the compiler clean up so long as it remains maintainable
void void
thats big project experience talking boys
upper flicker
their main build config file is 18000 lines
void void
im done
upper flicker
with other supporting files
Im sure theyve got it relatively clean given its python
but still... just ugh
void void
clean?
lol
nopeh
as much as i've played with my toy distro then python 3 packaging broke from every corner if i wanted to install it how i wanted (and how other distros kinda do)
upper flicker
well when you support as many distros, filesystems, architectures, and random wackadoodle shit as them
its never going to be clean
hence the relatively given its python
that build file is full of like "ooh if we're on this platform we have to redo all this"
its 18000 lines
void void
redo all the things
upper flicker
clean is more theoretical at that level
void void
theoretical lmao
upper flicker
# The cast to long int works around a bug in the HP C Compiler
# version HP92453-01 B.11.11.23709.GP, which incorrectly rejects
# declarations like `int a3[[(sizeof (unsigned char)) >= 0]];'.
# This bug is HP SR number 8606223364.
is kinda what Im talking about
idek what the HP C compiler is letting them target
void void
LOL
heady spear
if you're broke homie, oh, no you don't deserve hoes ๐ต
void void
also perl
perl is fucking major pita to build
and shitton of GNU tools use perl, either directly or indirectly
heady spear
https://open.spotify.com/track/57nIrfsmlBYZO5fs4gbo0f?si=AjYHLPMtRIqzwQIoeVbLiA
Y'all, mo bounce ๐
heady spear
iggy makes the best studying music :d
upper flicker
here @void void https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/1401f1316d7047278e6816a00e93e6c7
pls maintain all those platforms for me
heady spear
i've oop exam plz ๐ for me
void void
wot dat @upper flicker
upper flicker
moar python build file
void void
@heady spear is ez
golden gust
o,O
void void
just do it
golden gust
damn
heady spear
but it's 5h long very sad send help plz ๐
void void
hi @golden gust baby
upper flicker
@golden gust the main build config is 18000 lines
upper flicker
its exactly what you have nightmares about
heady spear
All of our exams are 5h ๐ฆ
heady spear
besides electrical engineering, it's only 4h
heady spear
//pre: in >= 0
//post: mySaldo = mySaldo + in
public void sattInPengar(double in)
{
_mySaldo = _mySaldo + in;
}
also why is this the code style we're using
void void
but @upper flicker wat dat 4
heady spear
they get mad if you don't follow their weird arbitrary style rules
also that commenting style
help
void void
"post"
what the fuck is wrong with the word returns
tbf i use post in my method names
heady spear
I'm not allowed to use JavaDoc ๐
upper flicker
not allowed to properly document shit
pure
unadulterated
absolute
yuuuuuuge
cancer
heady spear
also all instance variables have to be prefixed with _
and we are not allowed to use package private as the professor doesn't think it's good
everything has to be recursive because the code looks prettier
void void
lol
heady spear
"and the compiler can optimize tail recursion so there's no need not to use it" like ok thx mate
void void
??????
upper flicker
are you fucking joking?
heady spear
it's absolutely horrendous :))
heady spear
also, I had to memorize each and every fucking swing module and the packages
upper flicker
move on with your life
heady spear
๐
upper flicker
youre going to upload your homework somewhere right
heady spear
This is the final exam :p
upper flicker
Im sure its amazing
void void
every package will be written before he writes code, from memory @void void
no docs here
heady spear
I can do it once it's been approved lol, I guess
golden gust
plotsquared's future? I'm hoping that a decent plot plugin comes along in general, tbh
heady spear
I mean, I wouldn't be too surprised if I failed this fucking course
void void
upper flicker
other than the author?
void void
.rekt
limber knotBOT
โ Harry Potter and the Goblet of REKT
void void
heady spear
I even spent time making it compatible with shitty async generation
heady spear
๐
void void
heady spear
bad joke
void void
u
upper flicker
its an amazing joke
heady spear
Complain about FAWE, not PlotSquared.
upper flicker
you turned on FAWE
heady spear
Also I has FAWE issue that I spent like 2 hours trying to debug
void void
i need fixed fawe
upper flicker
we've got proof
heady spear
we overwrite tile entities and bukkit freaks out
but
it's weird
I even tried literally forcing myself onto that stupid tile entity list and it still freaks out
there's like zero reason why it would get confused
fuck bukkit
upper flicker
NukkitXxX420Sn1p3d is the future anyway
limber knotBOT
You did actually remove the block from the world, right?
heady spear
I think so ๐ค
shell vine
Just do it correctly 4head
jolly violet
nukkit loads chunks about 50x slower than the official exe
void void
meh, mcpe on linux is kinda a thing already
and mrarm has tutorials how to mod official server
someone just needs to pick the potential up
.g mrarm mcpelauncher
limber knotBOT
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void void
close enough
jolly violet
no one wants to code plugins in that heinous language
hallow parcel
void void
wrong
red halo
nice arm emulator
gusty idol
What heinous language
red halo
LOL
gusty idol
What
worldly condor
hello
gusty idol
Hi
merry talon
so to run nginx in docker with the modules I want I had to copy its Dockerfile, modify it to copy in the modules, specify them for ./configure, and then query the github API so I don't have to always update it to the latest version
there's gotta be a better way..
keen herald
ancient bolt
programs are finally updating to support macos dark theme โค
truly the power of apple that no one else can do: Apple can actually release a dark theme and make everyone else update
merry talon
how do the programs get that info? is there an equivalent of the win32 api?
I would hope that they include an option to ignore that
some dark themes look like shit
quasi valley
limber knotBOT
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nova badge
I was using dark themes before Apple did it.
golden gust
Yea, but apple adding it saw many other apps adding it
nova badge
Let's hope people don't copy the 5400rpm drives in their latest refreshes
slim nymph
@quasi valley is this a new game or addon to BL2/BPS?
i really enjoy borderlands. me and my brother recently finally beat it
on BL2
oh i see "borderlands 3" at end
quasi valley
Will probably be announced tomorrow, but a morse message says "count the sirens".. which are 3 :p
ah
I really love bl 2, though pre sequel not so much
quasi valley
it's... fine for me, but no way near to the experience I had in 2
slim nymph
but yeah BL series i ngeneral is excellent
i totally found a farming exploit on The Warrior in BL2 lol
after we beat him, we just afk'd and let my robot kill all the bird things
free xp farm
quasi valley
oh wow ๐
slim nymph
i have the perk that kills extend robots time, so it stays out
then just go collect all the loot too
we got like 4 levels while playing a card game lol
quasi valley
I'll probably sit in my chair the second the game comes out (if it looks actually promosing) and play it with 1 or 2 others
also, you can grab this shift code for a bandit mask C35TB-WS6ST-TXBRK-JJH6H๏ปฟ from the teaser :p
golden gust
I'm not sure I ever completed the original, but to play it I'd need to rebuy it, but it also doesn't play too well on windows because of the 5k screen :/
quasi valley
oh, then it's pc
slim nymph
i have a sheet of them printed out lol
golden gust
Never really gamed on a console, only games I really loved was some of the original resident evils
slim nymph
went through and filtered the codes list to all active using some jquery logic on a wiki page and printed a filtered list
@golden gust oh man i wanna buy RE2
that was a classic from my childhood
the only game i can remember that actually instilled fear
golden gust
I remember the originals, especially as I loved the game and my bother was scared, He'd ask me if there was zombies through a door, and well, "no" ahhhhhh
quasi valley
it's always fun to just open a few douzen chests on new chars haha, found a few screens from like 2015 https://kennytv.eu/files/d7f6l.jpg
shell vine
did u use key hax
slim nymph
my favorite was when you're walking down a quiet hallway, then Mr T busts threw the wall out of nowhere, pins you in a corner and beats your face in with a pipe
fallen oracle
kinky
quasi valley
@shell vine nah, there's just a hell of a lot of key codes out there ๐
worldly condor
@slim nymph 3 days and no reply to my PR about bulgarian language
shell vine
ah i played through it again recently, put on better loot mod, was funner
slim nymph
@worldly condor you can load language files locally if you want it for now
does anyone here know Bulgarian
worldly condor
also, can i try finishing the jda ?
worldly condor
r u sure 'bout dat
slim nymph
yes
shell vine
just curious hows that mob region ticking thing going
worldly condor
i have experience with jda
slim nymph
i've seen your attempts at API design
ida is currently usable
it needs some more api design considerations for permission management is the only thing really missing
worldly condor
permission management? hmm
slim nymph
lol
ancient bolt
I'm all for it
worldly condor
lemme see wat u have in my fork
slim nymph
API design isnt easy
you did a lot of wtf things in your waterfall stuff
its ok, youll learn over time
ancient bolt
Read effective java 3rd edition for some great tips on API design
slim nymph
just saying i dont think your ready to contribute a critical api design to the project
ancient bolt
@upper flicker my B key is occasionally double pressing now
ancient bolt
Idk if i should see about cleaning it or w/e
slim nymph
its better for ACF to use an older version so it doesnt mandate people use a newer version
improves compat
acf doesnt need a newer jda until it actually needs some newer api added
ancient bolt
how are acf and jda related?
stiff yarrow
@slim nymph NGL I accept PRs for locale files on pure faith that they didn't put anything naughty into it ๐ข
worldly condor
aikar, you should use GuildMessageReceivedEvent, but not MessageReceivedEvent
Guild is better
slim nymph
and what if someone wants to do private PM's?
fallen oracle
@stiff yarrow You should look into Crowdin
slim nymph
see, you arent making good thoughts on API design lol
stiff yarrow
scared me
worldly condor
you provide other method for dms
slim nymph
you can do instanceof Guild
fallen oracle
Ahh shit you're not open source
slim nymph
Guild extends MRE
fallen oracle
For open source it's completely free
stiff yarrow
no its not
fallen oracle
Yes it is
stiff yarrow
no its not
stiff yarrow
It's free if you are open source and you have no commercial products
fallen oracle
Well yeah you have commerical products
fallen oracle
So essentially I'm right about the open source y ou're njust fucked cause you have paid
Yup
Rip
stiff yarrow
taken what you said at face value its technically incorrect
fallen oracle
It's so nice, push to one file, it expands to the rest.
stiff yarrow
I was being pedantic
fallen oracle
Hey shut up
stiff yarrow
fallen oracle
stiff yarrow
Crowdin wants like 200+ USD a month from me
and I don't want that kind of financial burden
stiff yarrow
I was going to setup pontoon but then I ran into some issues
fallen oracle
Yeah this is where being free helps
slim nymph
oh looks like guild might not extend it
fallen oracle
Cause I just applied for Jetbrains open source too
stiff yarrow
I pay for IntelliJ
almost all open source licenses have a no commercial product clause
and I don't break the law
๐ผ
heady spear
you can use community edition commercially, can't you?
stiff yarrow
I pay for ultimate or w/e
heady spear
I have an educational licese and an OSS license, but I don't really use ultimate ๐
unless I need to generate UML diagrams
acoustic pilot
you get a nice discount if your subscription doesn't lapse for like X amount of months, too
fallen oracle
I have a stuent licenses @heady spear
fallen oracle
So I've had ultimate free for 2 years now but that'd be cool to have it under my main project
slim nymph
@worldly condor if you can document benefits of GMRE over MRE on what you cant do with MRE, file an issue. but the project documents MRE: https://github.com/DV8FromTheWorld/JDA/blob/bc9c7e2c49b9a4c559efad3c6a8c7698ee3f53bc/src/examples/java/MessageListenerExample.java#L80
stiff yarrow
I've only had a license on IntelliJ for a few months as I wasn't working Java for a long time and only started again recently, plus I used to be an eclipse boy
fallen oracle
edu emails have saved me so much money in life.
slim nymph
and I havent seen any limitations in it
fallen oracle
I like the licenses cause it covers all the stuff
heady spear
I use community edition for commercial use, and then the ultimate edition for oss shit
fallen oracle
So for example I can use IJ for the project, WebStorm for the project website, something else for Vue.js
etc
stiff yarrow
I don't even know the difference between community and ultimate, I just saw ultimate has a reasonable monthly billing plan and went with it
fallen oracle
Does that cover everything or just IJ
heady spear
I don't really use any of the ultimate shit tho, besides the diagram tool ๐
worldly condor
i cant find how to design cool api
slim nymph
if you end up needing a 2nd JB product after buying ultimate, just buy the entire toolbox
IDEA does have all the plugins, so yo ucan use every language
but the other IDE;s are more tailored
stiff yarrow
to be honest I don't know what my license covers, it at least covers IJ
heady spear
rich buy nossr just throws money at jetbrains .-.
fallen oracle
Yeah. I figured after a few years when I graduate college, if I still wanted to renew my licneses, I should get my OSS license.
heady spear
buy? boy lol
stiff yarrow
its only 15 a month @heady spear
slim nymph
if you are doing this professionally (career), just buy the entire toolbox
renewal price isnt bad
acoustic pilot
the $15/mo (assuming it's with the max discount) is the entire suite
stiff yarrow
didn't you brag about paying all your bills with Minecraft money earlier city
acoustic pilot
every IDEA product
stiff yarrow
fallen oracle
Hey, that's a great IDEA.
heady spear
Yes, but I don't have any source of income besides that? xD
stiff yarrow
then I guess I have license to all IDEA products
even though I don't know what they are
@heady spear same here, well except for Patreon
acoustic pilot
recommend using the JetBrains Toolbox, easy to keep your stuff updated and shows what you can use
heady spear
WebStorm is pretty great. CLion is utter shit tho
slim nymph
if you use PHP, dont bother with WebStorm
fallen oracle
I found that emailing basically any site that I've tried so far, even if they don't claim they have a student / oss license, they typically do
heady spear
I barely get anything from my free projects, the money I make is from comissions :d
acoustic pilot
IntelliJ (obv), DataGrip, PHPStorm, PyCharm are all good
fallen oracle
Like there's some platform you can use to drag and drop build BootStrap Websites, and I sent in an email and got a free student version
void void
hytale will rip mc
fallen oracle
What's DataGrip for?
stiff yarrow
@void void maybe it will maybe it won't
slim nymph
its a DB tool competes with MySQL Workbench
void void
Hi mcmmo dev
acoustic pilot
DataGrip supports a bunch of different JDBC drivers
heady spear
@stiff yarrow what's the patreon for? :p I'm trying to suck money out of my users, but they're all cheap ๐
stiff yarrow
I've tried to contact hytale but they ghosting on my emails 
@heady spear go look at my patreon page and find out
finite wave
heady spear
@stiff yarrow where would I find that? do I have to google? screw that ๐ I'm lazy
stiff yarrow
@heady spear you can literally type /nossr50 after the URL, I think it would be bad taste for me to link it here
slim nymph
just DG is nicer for a more focused db interface
heady spear
@stiff yarrow ur face is bad taste
slim nymph
thats actually the primary perk i can think of for Ultimate
acoustic pilot
yeah DataGrip offers a more catered UI for it
slim nymph
if you tie up the Database tab, you get SQL Code Completion
heady spear
wow you make a grand total of $145 a month
stiff yarrow
I'm probably paying for Ultimate features I don't even use 
acoustic pilot
I just have DataGrip open separately because I like the UI
heady spear
rich minecraft boy
stiff yarrow
on Patreon that's what I make
heady spear
you should give me half of it because I'm so pretty
limber knotBOT
ultimate also has JS + framework integration for jee and spring and stuff
coarse urchin
Ultimate is everything builtin lmao
limber knotBOT
I have java autocompletion in my thymeleaf tempaltes
slim nymph
@vernal moth oh i forget people do web stuff in java lol
limber knotBOT
spring boot <3
acoustic pilot
Spring apps probably occupy a huge chunk of the Java market share, but that's just a guess ๐
slim nymph
as much as i love java, i wouldnt use it for a web server
heady spear
Web stuff in Java is really quite neat :]
All of the IntellectualSites services are written in Java, bcuz we r cool like that
void void
how to get jar with Intellij IDEA?
limber knotBOT
maven
stiff yarrow
I don't think I'd use Java for anything where performance was a priority
slim nymph
@void void mvn/gradle install/build
heady spear
Why not, nossr?
slim nymph
@stiff yarrow why? java performance is actually pretty good
limber knotBOT
well, we are replacing a huge chunk of jsp code with spring boot + thymeleaf
acoustic pilot
Why's that? Java outperforms almost everything except low level stuff.
Java is 20 times faster than Python or PHP.
slim nymph
the only place your going to get better is C/C++ and thats only if you're good enough to write faster code
limber knotBOT
or stuff like go
slim nymph
good java code is faster than abd C code
void void
nossr50 i use mcmmo classic at my server
slim nymph
If I was to rewrite MC, id still use java
java wasnt its problem, the code design was
stiff yarrow
Well you have a good point there Aikar
slim nymph
mojangs choices are the issues
BlockPositions while great for code sanity, added lots of garbage memory. ValueTypes will help in future though there
stiff yarrow
Isn't there a project to make an open source Minecraft server that doesn't suck active right now
slim nymph
MC's single threaded, world based collections, are the bottleneck design
sure theres 40 of them
none of them matter ๐
acoustic pilot
Yeah, poor design leading to significant GC overhead is probably one of the biggest reasons Java gets a bad rep.
slim nymph
hytale wil lcome out and noone wil lcare
@sinful rock glowstone isnt feature complete
its the closest yeah
but need feature complete
and everyone makes their own project instead of helping glowstone
cue xkcd standards
limber knotBOT
does it even perform faster than paper?
slim nymph
dunno
stiff yarrow
Well if Hytale comes out and its actually good I could see Minecraft dying, I remain skeptical until I get my hands on it
acoustic pilot
Minecraft is here to stay lol, Hytale won't kill it.
slim nymph
kill no, but its going to take a huge chunk
acoustic pilot
Hytale, at best, IMO, will maybe eat at 10% of Minecraft's active monthly playerbase.
limber knotBOT
like, when its already slower now there is no point in continuing other than "hur dur we are 100% open source, mojang is evil"
slim nymph
there will be people who dont know about hytale
acoustic pilot
That's still millions of players, though.
acoustic pilot
MC is at 90 million active monthly players atm.
I think Hytale can take 10% of that.
limber knotBOT
on all platforms
slim nymph
hasnt said
limber knotBOT
hytale only appeals to java players
acoustic pilot
Presumably with a centralized authentication/banning system
slim nymph
yes they will
acoustic pilot
So you get banned from the "Hytale network"
slim nymph
the server wil lbe 'shared source'
acoustic pilot
You can't just hop servers when you get banned
slim nymph
no decompiling needed
acoustic pilot
For certain offenses
slim nymph
.g hytale trailer
acoustic pilot
For example, if Hytale handles payments, they can take a cut but the burden of responsibility on chargebacks is also theirs
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77MzDQT1cg -- Hytale - Announcement Trailer - YouTube: "Dec 13, 2018 ... For beta sign-up, screenshots, detailed articles, concept art, game info and more, please visit our website: https://hytale.com/..."
acoustic pilot
Getting banned for a chargeback means getting banned from Hytale, presumably.
slim nymph
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Hytale - Announcement Trailer - length 2m 23s - 374,083 likes, 8,857 dislikes (97.7%) - 46,645,374 views - Hytale on 2018.12.13
stiff yarrow
I also think saying Java is faster than poorly written C/C++ goes without saying
stiff yarrow
if Hytale is good it can take a large playerbase from Minecraft, but being good is sort of key, they haven't put out any substantial teasers, just edited ones that don't show real gameplay
look at Valve's artifact for an example of something everyone thought would be amazing and now only 200 people play it a day
acoustic pilot
Hopefully they don't collapse under the weight of their hype through unmet expectations at launch.
Or beta
quasi valley
The most people it will attract are probably the ones that dont play mc regularly anymore
acoustic pilot
I called out Artifact before it released. Knew that shit was gonna be stupid with their business model.
limber knotBOT
random question
acoustic pilot
No reason for people to not play Hearthstone instead.
limber knotBOT
when a player sleeps and gets woken up by the sunrise whatnot in minecraft
what time in ticks is the server set to?
acoustic pilot
lol the Artifact subreddit is depressing
worldly condor
@slim nymph how do i change help command's colors ?
nova badge
I can't wait to play with the servers. I get to once it is released to devs
acoustic pilot
I think Hytale will penetrate into all markets that Minecraft currently has a foothold in.
Including creative.
nova badge
Imagine roblox but minecraft.
the server is open sourced to the developers to customize it how they wish
nova badge
Imagine garrys mod then
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot the business model is not what killed it, I am very close to a lot of people in that scene, pro players, casters, and the like.
It was almost universally the extremely RNG oriented gameplay, poor balance at launch, and lack of a true ELO system and player progression that lead to mass disinterest from the playerbase.
quasi valley
tho people will need their time to create something actually special in Hytale, the only ones to do what will be Hypixel in the first few months
nova badge
In terms of cusomizability, ya.
acoustic pilot
Roblox is actually really successful, I'm surprised it's not as well-heard of
It has nearly as many active monthly players as Minecraft
Certainly more than PC Minecraft, IIRC
golden gust
gr8 4 u den
stiff yarrow
if Hytale launches with lackluster single player/cooperative content I don't think it will do very well, its very hard to speculate on if the game is going to be fun from what little they have shown
nova badge
it won't. They're trying to be the better multiplayer minecraft from my understanding.
with my limited knowledge of its release timeline
golden gust
It looks somewhat interesting, but there is still a lot of questions, like, "what will players actually see"
acoustic pilot
It's worth remember that Minecraft multiplayer is entirely held up by the community, and Mojang puts practically zero energy into it.
Hytale seems to want to embrace it.
nova badge
I don't have those answers yet :c
limber knotBOT
i think they'll have a pre good server focus out of the gate, seeing as hypixel.
nova badge
Not until they gimme the good stuffs.
limber knotBOT
but yeh all speculation
quasi valley
dont be
acoustic pilot
Either way I think it'll be successful, and definitely not a Minecraft killer, but still successful in its own right with a sizeable market that can be capitalized.
nova badge
^
quasi valley
it wont "overtake" the entire Minecraft community
nova badge
It'll overtake the portion of the community that wants a highly customizable experience that a vanilla server can't replicate well.
but not as extreme as modding
limber knotBOT
ill kill u all lmao https://puu.sh/D66UG/32ce038d3d.png
stiff yarrow
I mean if Hytale comes out and offers a better Minecraft experience I could see it dwarfing Minecrafts playerbase in due time, as long as they get the same kind of platform coverage
I just don't expect it to from what we know about it right now
main juniper
nova badge
I only know of the PC variant. idk what their plans are for other platforms.
I know the client isn't written in java
acoustic pilot
Considering that Mojang gives the multiplayer community and server operators/admins/developers the middle finger all the time, I think there's plenty of incentive to move over, it's just a matter of the game experience being good for players, since ultimately they'll be the ones to decide whether they want to play Hytale instead of MC. But as a developer, I'd be happy to tell Mojang to go fuck themselves.
If Hytale does end up taking a huge chunk of Minecraft's active playerbase, it'll be their own damn fault.
stiff yarrow
the only content I've seen from Hytale has been carefully edited videos, and dev blog posts designed to garner interest and hype, nothing substantial has been shown yet
which doesn't mean Hytale won't be good, its just that I wouldn't put any bets on something where we haven't even seen real gameplay yet
nova badge
They are going to release the software to a few people before it launches, but nothing is known other than that.
stiff yarrow
take No Man's Sky for example, they hyped the living shit out of it with carefully edited videos, and misleading interviews and tv spots
Once it came out, it was nothing like what everyone thought it would be. It flopped and was poorly received, although through post launch updates now most people would agree its an alright game
I wouldn't get your expectations too high for Hytale until we see something real
quasi valley
tho they wont deliver any proxy service, so youll have to do that on your own
acoustic pilot
Pretty much one dude was responsible for the whole NMS fiasco, no?
lol
but yeah, a good example of something being overhyped and not living up to expectations.
quasi valley
I heard it's actually fine after the few years of updates
limber knotBOT
maven cant resolve wakeup for HumanEntity, thoughts? https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/entity/HumanEntity.html#wakeup-boolean-
limber knotBOT
maven is importing the 1.13 r0 snapshot atm
stiff yarrow
their project lead was misleading people in interviews up to release, but I'm not sure if he was making all these decisions by himself @acoustic pilot
after all anyone with investment in the company benefitted from those misleading interviews and the edited gameplay footage
acoustic pilot
Hello Games is a privately held company and Sean Murray is a founder
I'm almost certain this guy was in the driver's seat.
No shareholder obligations.
stiff yarrow
yeah sounds like it
acoustic pilot
No execs
merry talon
Hopefully they don't collapse under the weight of their hype through unmet expectations at launch.
I can guarantee they won't deliver on the expectations
you can't live up to this level of hype
it's like if half life 3 were to be announced
people won't be happy no matter what
quasi valley
nickster, the method was added somewhere around 1.13.2 I think, use 1.13.2-R0.1
stiff yarrow
anyways, I'm not trying to sound overly skeptical but Hytale has shown literally nothing substantial yet and its got millions of views on youtube, it reminds me of many games in the past that got hyped and flopped
Hytale might actually be awesome, but I don't see how people can be confident in that with what little we know
limber knotBOT
thanks
I think it was a combination of thinking the things he said the game would have would be easier to implement than they really were, him being vague in interviews, and Sony dictating the release date due to their marketing deal
With probably some just outright lying in there too and we got closer to the release date
stiff yarrow
he was telling many blatant lies
at first maybe they were on the whiteboard at some point
but then he kept lying about those things
limber knotBOT
When you can play with procedural noise code for a few hours and get a decent looking terrain to walk around on and then spend a couple months getting a decent looking procedural everything (at least for screenshots) it probably skews your perspective as to how long other functionality will take
acoustic pilot
And then he just vanished for a while after release, didn't he
limber knotBOT
I bet they planned on having multiplayer to start with but ended up spending all their time bugfixing and optimizing for PS4 instead when they realized multiplayer would be like a year of work
Kind of, he went straight back to coding
Was like "finally I'm done with all this press bullshit and can just work on the game again"
stiff yarrow
one of the biggest lies was that the game had multiplayer, in the sense that you could run into other people by chance but the mathematical odds of it would make it super unlikely, but this was debunked and not even in the game post-launch
merry talon
lol
limber knotBOT
Yeah, two twitch streamers managed to go to the same place day 1
stiff yarrow
@acoustic pilot he still writes posts about their updates on the game, but hes been absent from any PR or media since afaik
limber knotBOT
Basically if he was allowed to push the release back a year or two the game would have been what he said it was
But he shouldn't have kept saying it was those things once he realized it wouldn't be
quasi valley
There were so many games flopping in the last few months, the biggest disappointment I sadly bought was Just Cause 
cedar spade
Probably didn't want to kill the launch hype and end up in a mess with Sony?
merry talon
just cause 2 was awesome
stiff yarrow
NMS had incredible sales figures because of the lies he told
merry talon
and then they just started milking it
quasi valley
3 was also awesome imo, but 4 is just... bad
cedar spade
JC4 was such a disappointment
quasi valley
here's the passive aggressive review I wrote back at the release https://kennytv.eu/files/e0z4s.png
merry talon
phishing monkaS
quasi valley
it did a really great job to infuriate me
quasi valley
ah
limber knotBOT
After the disappointment of Spore everyone should have expected NMS to flop
Even today it's not an especially fun game to play and it has most or all of the things they said it would plus more
acoustic pilot
I was pretty hyped, and wanted to buy it, but the price was a bit steep
Glad I didn't
merry talon
I thought people liked spore?
limber knotBOT
Then again if you find wandering around in Minecraft fun NMS might be right up your alley, that's pretty much all you do :P
merry talon
seemed cool when I played it like 8 years ago
limber knotBOT
Spore was a neat idea but the game itself was really shallow and kind of boring
merry talon
unless they released a second one or something
limber knotBOT
And then the space era was just tedious
The right way to play the space era ended up being ignoring planets you own that are calling for help and just trying to spread your influence faster than others can take it from you
Otherwise you keep slowing going back and forth across the galaxy reclaiming planets that you don't really care about anymore
s/slowing/slowly/
Correction, <Amaranth> Otherwise you keep slowly going back and forth across the galaxy reclaiming planets that you don't really care about anymore
They did release a second one, of sorts: Darkspore
cedar spade
"let's take Just Cause 3, make the water worse, add CoOl WeAtHeR pHySiCs, remove the interesting gameplay/progression elements BOOM SEQUEL"
Darkspore being the one that's infamously unplayable now?
quasi valley
I stopped at 5/6 hours as I have literally no idea what my mission currently is 
merry talon
unplayable because they took the servers down?
limber knotBOT
Spore was taking too long so EA brought in a second team to help polish up what they had so it could be shipped, that second team fell in love with the tech but decided the gameplay should be very different so the game ended up taking even longer to release as the two teams fought about it and the game ended up being a sort of hybrid of their ideas
Then that second team went and made Darkspore
Yeah, EA shut down the DRM servers in 2016
So you have to crack it to play
cedar spade
Still curious as to what will happen to half of the major releases over the past 5 years when Denuvo dies
merry talon
isn't denuvo cracked?
even though games released recently don't have the replay value for other reasons anyway
tropic flame
yeah some people managed to actually crack denuvo
others just redirect the game to fake local servers that say yes to every single check
tropic flame
I remember Sonic Mania was postponed like 2 weeks literally just to add Denuvo... and then CPY cracked it
acoustic pilot
EA and UbiSoft are the worst game companies ever. Not their games, but their business models.
merry talon
a lot of the games are pretty bad too lol
tropic flame
ubisoft's games are okay
merry talon
I think Rockstar is on a whole different level than EA though
tropic flame
can't say the same for EA tho
merry talon
fuck rockstar
acoustic pilot
They both are obsessed with DRM, too.
merry talon
I absolutely love blizzard for their story telling
but not for the decisions they make
tropic flame
what's wrong with rockstar though
limber knotBOT
Their story telling has gone to shit, their gameplay has gone to shit, and their business practices have gone to shit
cedar spade
Rockstar and 2K are subsidiaries of Take-Two
limber knotBOT
Ah, that's the name I wanted then
merry talon
Overwatch is a story I'm still invested in
pulsar wigeon
tropic flame
Rockstar makes singleplayer open world games with a story (yes I'm completely looking down on GTA Online)
limber knotBOT
Blizzard is just trash now