general

[worn ember]

shading windows into my jar

[void void]

meh started looking into programming ~7 years ago

[heady spear]

I am old compared to some of these Minecraft kids, makes me feel weird

Kinda icky

[wide hazel]

Lol

I feel old sometimes

[wide chasm]

Minecraft kids? I'm 18, I prefer the term "adult"! /s

[wide hazel]

Then I remember Aikar has a wife and career

[void void]

stef in what month is your bday

[wide hazel]

To be fair, he's not MUCH older than I am, so that's terrifying

[heady spear]

A career would be nice

[wide chasm]

@void void December

[void void]

2000 dec?

[wide chasm]

Yes

[heady spear]

I would gladly just skip over this university thing

[void void]

wew i'm older than you

[wide hazel]

Lol

[void void]

whole 5 months

[wide chasm]

👏

[wide hazel]

You kids and your 2k

[heady spear]

I was born in 99, y’all babies

[worldly condor]

in december 2000 reactor 3 of Chernobyl NPP was shut down

[slim nymph]

that era where you can talk to people about 9/11 who wasn't born yet ._.

[wide hazel]

Yikes

[void void]

lol

[wide hazel]

I remember being in class

[slim nymph]

old enough to comprehend it i mean

[wide hazel]

Teacher was speechless

[slim nymph]

I was in class when it happened

[wide hazel]

Yeah

[heady spear]

Facebook didn’t exist, the horror.

[wide chasm]

Wait, why did they remove heaven?

[void void]

omg how could people even exist before facebook

[slim nymph]

I was in the beta program for FB when you had to get enough students to vote to get your school added

[wide hazel]

Hahaha

We didn't

Sadly

[worn ember]

FB is so trash now lol

[wide hazel]

Now?

[limber knot]

When keeping spawn chunks loaded via paper.yml setting, what does paper counts as a spawn start point?

[heady spear]

This community must be old compared to a lot of other Minecraft communities

[wide hazel]

It has its purpose

[slim nymph]

@qwerty /setworldspawn

[limber knot]

thank you

[slim nymph]

a world has a spawn recorded as spawn

has a location*

[void void]

It has its purpose

like?

[slim nymph]

if you use FB correctly it does

[heady spear]

The spawn is the spawn, and that’s a spawn. Just to clarify.

[slim nymph]

dont friend random fucking people

I typically only friend people ive met IRL

[heady spear]

I use to keep up with my crazy aunts, and for the groups.

[slim nymph]

the only real exception I have is my MC staff

[heady spear]

Oh, and like people from the schools I’ve gone to. I moved 6 times in 5 years, so there’s a decent amount of people on there

[slim nymph]

FB is designed to post random life updates so family and friend can keep up w/ things going on without the tedius task of calling everyone you know to let them know or them calling you, or visiting in person. time is so limited, and FB filled a nice void of that

other social platforms are designed for public, FB was designed to support privacy control

just people misuse it

[wide chasm]

What about just sending a message on WhatsApp to tell people what's up?

[heady spear]

I quite like Facebook, actually. Not on it a lot, but I’d definitely miss it.

[golden gust]

I don't mind adding people I'm always around so long as I consider them reasonable friends, It's the people who literally say "hi" before adding you, or just decide to before you've even spoken to them, just mostly stopped paying attention to requests \o/

[slim nymph]

thats still 1 on 1 convos, which sure some people do too

[heady spear]

WhatsApp isn’t a thing here. No one uses it 😛

[wide chasm]

@slim nymph You could just make a group chat with your family.

[slim nymph]

but sharing private things as a broadcast to everyone you know without having to then invoke a real time convo has value

[heady spear]

But then you still need to target it to specific people, might as well call them 😛

[slim nymph]

and then how are you different than FB? and those apps are designed around real time

FB is moving back in the right direction of focusing on what its for

[heady spear]

I like to use Facebook to write shit about people I know, without directly mentioning them

Then have people message me about it. 10/10 irl drama.

[slim nymph]

FB is a forum for closed group relationships. its intended to not require real time communication that messaging apps are biased around

[upper flicker]

@golden gust add me on facebook so I can stalk you more easily we can hang out

[heady spear]

There are some really neat local Facebook groups that I frequent, those are nice

[slim nymph]

G+ honestly was even better than FB for control over privacy with Circles. FB has it now too but its not as clean and core as it was in G+

to segment your relationships

and choose the segments of who can see it

[vestal jasper]

Are we allowed to break bedrock
I won't tell you why I want to do it because you'll fix it

[upper flicker]

vanishes

[vestal jasper]

Now I feel obligated to have it fixed

[upper flicker]

teleports

"yeah sure"

[heady spear]

Isn’t that a part of normal survival gameplay?

[golden gust]

Only reason I've not deleted FB is because I use it as auth for some websites and have a one or two groups on there, I wish I could just zap it easily 😦

[vestal jasper]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/226

[heady spear]

Especially in the nether, without breaking the bedrock nether farming is a bitch

[vestal jasper]

It's been a thing since 1.5 ish according to this issue

[heady spear]

There have always been ways to break bedrock

Does the tnt piston thingy still work?

[vestal jasper]

I'm just curious as to why he wants to hide his reasoning

[heady spear]

Yeah, a bit weird. I would allow it tho

[vestal jasper]

Yeah

My only issue is with people breaking end portals / frames

[heady spear]

I should be a moderator on your server =))

Oh yeah, that’s a problem

[vestal jasper]

Well time to try out ACF

[slim nymph]

Join my Discord for ACF support so don't have to spam this channel up as much : https://discord.gg/gU8yahX

[limber knot]

Not really

Just try all the CSS rules until you get the right one

Time consuming? yes

Hard? No

[slim nymph]

css not being hard? clearly you've never centered something

[golden gust]

Once again, just gotta try all the properties 😛

[slim nymph]

centering in CSS requires a masters degree in rocket science

[golden gust]

lol

[wide chasm]

For vertical centering, you need two masters.

[upper flicker]

centering things in CSS is either a) the easiest thing ever or b) A complete nightmare, fuck it, switch the layout, it isnt happening

never in between

[golden gust]

^^

[slim nymph]

H is usually easy, V is like fuck me

flexbox is helping though

[golden gust]

Yea, don't really do CSS much, but flexbox is ❤

[upper flicker]

thats why I write all my websites in flash

[slim nymph]

dem pixels

[heady spear]

I just create static images and track user mouse movement

[slim nymph]

I dunno why I like this song so much lol https://play.google.com/music/m/Tfjt55oilttlxpabhzzakomyekm?t=Horsey_-_Diplo

[vestal jasper]

Nice this plugin adds an enchant that lets you mine 3x3x1 and it lets you break end portal frames

Guess I'm reporting that

[stiff yarrow]

is brother still the go-to brand for printers?

[upper flicker]

I tried googling a recommended brand to help you out

its mostly just individual recommendations for categories

[limber knot]

We've had a few bother printers and not really had anything bad that I can say about them, other than the typical "consider unplugging it when you're not going to be using it for a while if you like your ink"

[ancient bolt]

i have a cannon grayscale lazer printer

works great

[worn ember]

does it eat ink for breakfast or something?

[golden gust]

It loves to clean its heads overnight when its been sitting for a while

[worn ember]

lul

inkjet ftw

you should make your own ink, buying it is the biggest scam since bread

[golden gust]

Many prevent that these days

[worn ember]

Just nuke japan

again

[stiff yarrow]

@golden gust I was thinking of getting a laser one

[upper flicker]

laser printers ftw

[golden gust]

If their lasers are as reliable as there inkjets, can't really fault them; My grandfather prints pictures, and other members of the family are just cheap

[stiff yarrow]

I wonder if this would be a tax write off

[worn ember]

waiting for Aikar to get triggered

[upper flicker]

that O in FROM is the real trigger warning

[worn ember]

blame intellij

[upper flicker]

no

[worn ember]

its the default font

[upper flicker]

You cant drive a wedge between me and intellij that easily

[golden gust]

USE A JOIN MAN

[worn ember]

yeet

[cosmic raft]

uppercasing sql

it's not 1990 anymore

[worn ember]

i got a bit of both

in oracledb you can just use in(query)

[upper flicker]

Upper casing sql is life

You can’t take it away from me

[vestal jasper]

[limber knot]

Sup amigos

[golden gust]

Wait, the creation story of paper isn't a myth? gsand is a real person?!

[upper flicker]

horrified with the results of his own work and pushing, gsand exiles himself, hoping to remain hidden from the disaster he was a part of

[vestal jasper]

I close my eyes

All I see is

NoSuchMethodError NBTTagInt

I wake up sweating for I have had a nightmare about
NoSuchMethodError NBTTagInt

No matter how much time passes I cannot escape
NoSuchMethodError NBTTagInt

[golden gust]

The plugin is trying to access a method that was remapped in december

[vestal jasper]

The plugin is trying to access the correct method

[golden gust]

I mean, yea

[vestal jasper]

The person's just running spigot that's extremely out of date

[golden gust]

I erm... brain, and thinking, and stuff

is gud 👍

[limber knot]

simpleauthority halp

Bail me out

[vestal jasper]

I cannot count the number of people who have insisted that their host have the latest version of spigot

And that I'm wrong when I say they're using out of date builds

[golden gust]

BUT I RAN BUILDTOOLS LAST WEEK!

[vestal jasper]

Nah they wouldn't run buildtools. They'd use host supplied spigot jars which are many months out of date.

[jolly violet]

https://hytale.com/news/2019/3/three-new-pieces-of-hytale-music

THREE

[limber knot]

steals the cat and runs off into the night at very hihg speed

me taking the cat https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZW_OVyiZwJM/hqdefault.jpg

[worn ember]

My life in a nutshell 😿

[woven otter]

@worn ember be rude and tag him tbh

[worn ember]

i'm good

[slim nymph]

oh man that hytale music is awesome

just sets an epic feel

I feel like im in an epic RPG

[worn ember]

link?

[slim nymph]

scroll up

[worn ember]

oh lol

[cosmic raft]

My favourite is Travelling Band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgmVK0ldoA0

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Hytale OST - Traveling Band - length 6m 16s - 33,043 likes, 296 dislikes (99.1%) - 479,738 views - Hytale on 2019.01.13

[worn ember]

reminds me of the LOTRO lol

[slim nymph]

any fantasy RPG you mean 😛

[worn ember]

true

but i havent played many RPG's

[slim nymph]

hytale is killing it with the marketing man

[worn ember]

I like how open they are about it

[cosmic raft]

total 241M
drwxr-xr-x 2 kashike kashike 4.0K  .
drwxr-xr-x 6 kashike kashike 4.0K  ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 kashike kashike  46M  a_new_adventure.flac
-rw-r--r-- 1 kashike kashike  38M  gaias_lament.flac
-rw-r--r-- 1 kashike kashike  40M  kweebec_village.flac
-rw-r--r-- 1 kashike kashike  62M  night_on_the_dunes.flac
-rw-r--r-- 1 kashike kashike  57M  traveling_band.flac

I've got it downloaded already :p

[worn ember]

.flac 🤔

[cosmic raft]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC

[worn ember]

interesting. Never heard of it before

[vestal jasper]

wot

never?

[worn ember]

nope

[cosmic raft]

weird

Since FLAC is a lossless scheme, it is suitable as an archive format for owners of CDs and other media who wish to preserve their audio collections. If the original media are lost, damaged, or worn out, a FLAC copy of the audio tracks ensures that an exact duplicate of the original data can be recovered at any time.

it has lots of perks

[worn ember]

i was thinking of implementing mcmirror their api for in my downloader but they have like 0 version control and i don't really want to parse all strings to filter out the versions lmao

sad times

[gloomy sphinx]

when planet minecraft advertising doesnt work

[limber knot]

that hytale music hella runescapey

[ancient bolt]

when paper for hytale

Maybe that's why Agent left us 😦

[pearl ibex]

Ooh, that soundtrack is lit.

Yo, I need someone to review a song I'm practicing. :>

[ancient bolt]

oh, 2019.1 is for real released now

I like the spash image

seems way different from their past images

[austere ivy]

@wide chasm works funkly.

[cosmic raft]

@ancient bolt ? I only see RC1

[ancient bolt]

oh it is RC. toolbox auto-updated so all I saw was "2019.1"

thought it was final

[limber knot]

when's hytale supposed to come out?

I don't think there's any way it can live up to this level of hype

it's like if half life 3 was announced

[vestal jasper]

nice cropping

I really enjoy the game D For Over Mine

Or is it OverMine

[unreal quarry]

crop is purposeful... part of the meme. games on right dont matter anymore

[vestal jasper]

Ah

I mean they even managed to crop out the edge of their watermark xd

[orchid pelican]

Is there like a unique identifier to an inventory i can use to uniqely identify it?

[golden gust]

There is the title, beyond that, there is the InventoryHolder interface

[fallen oracle]

Didn't md5 remove that?

[golden gust]

he made it unused in some cases, paper fixed that

[orchid pelican]

erg i dont wanna use the title

[fallen oracle]

Yeah you could make a new inventory holder then

[orchid pelican]

but if i want to keep spgiot compatibility?

[ancient bolt]

inventoryholder is the way to go

[golden gust]

(You do now actually get a proper NMS type inventory in some cases when you use createInventory, however; which has some pros)

[orchid pelican]

so is this a paper thing because md_5 broke it?

or can i use ti with spigot as well

[golden gust]

For bukkit, just don't provide an InventoryType

Be warned that spigot may be dropping that in the future

[orchid pelican]

why do they do this

[ancient bolt]

shoot me

[orchid pelican]

i hat espigot

[ancient bolt]

but i think cyan light is a pretty nice theme for intellij

[orchid pelican]

hate

[ancient bolt]

i won't use it, because it's a light theme

but still

well i might use it a bit

[orchid pelican]

no shoot me

could i do it on a packet level and avoid all of tis lol

[fallen oracle]

Shoot each other

What are you trying to do

[orchid pelican]

i need to well redo my menu controller

right now i rely on titles to identify invs

along with registering them

[golden gust]

Could just use a hashmap

[fallen oracle]

^

That's how I do it in Guilds

When the server starts it loads a list of inventories into a mat

[orchid pelican]

i do that already

[acoustic pilot]

Is the EXPLAIN on this as good as it's gonna get? https://i.imgur.com/WK4rMKW.png

[ancient bolt]

query looks fine

every lookup is using an index

[acoustic pilot]

Ok nice, just making sure. Not very good at reading EXPLAIN output 😛

Thx

It's a query to find an active ban of either a user ID or that user's IP address

[peak dirge]

I like the EXPLAIN output from PostgreSQL better.

It has a lot more detail

[ancient bolt]

postgres is decent, SQLServer has a really good execution plan viewer

[worn ember]

i didnt even know that was a keyword

[ancient bolt]

it's only use for performance analysis

[cosmic raft]

pgsql > mysql

[ancient bolt]

well, yeah lol

[acoustic pilot]

I'd like to use PG, but this is for a MC server which might use some plugins that are MySQL-specific, just better support for it 😦

[worn ember]

i went to see Captain Marvel yesterday, she had some nice plots

*i mean it had a good plot

[ancient bolt]

I don't appreciate the objectification joke

[cosmic raft]

write those plugins for pgsql instead :p

[limber knot]

is postgres not mysql compliant?

[gloomy sphinx]

is this even true?

[limber knot]

lol

[fallen oracle]

People still use that?

[limber knot]

like all of them

[fallen oracle]

Weird

[limber knot]

Sweepyoface: "mysql compliant"?

compatible

whatever you want to call it

[acoustic pilot]

Pretty sure they are all SQL-92 compliant, but if you write all your SQL to be 92 compliant, you won't be taking advantage of very many implementation-specific features.

So no, they aren't "compliant"

Postgres is probably the most feature-rich and superior open source RDBMS, to not take advantage of the implementation-specific features would be very silly.

[limber knot]

Right, but which special mysql features would your plugins be using that postgres doesn't support

if it's all that and more

[acoustic pilot]

It's not about that, it's about if I wanted to use external plugins not coded by me, which widely don't support Pg

[limber knot]

That's what I mean

s/your/the

Correction, <Sweepyoface> Right, but which special mysql features would the plugins be using that postgres doesn't support

[acoustic pilot]

I don't want 2 different database servers running

They would be coded to use MySQL specific dialect

The most basic SQL people write is typically not going to be ANSI SQL.

It's going to be dialect-specific.

Not to mention some plugins very specifically would be using the MySQL JDBC driver

I'm not going to modify a third party plugin to be compatible with Postgres

Fuck that

[ancient bolt]

just use hiberate and experience your queries getting like 2x as slow

[acoustic pilot]

lol

Sweepyoface, as an example, even the most basic SQL like LIMIT is different between MySQL and Postgres.

[limber knot]

ah

I've moved on to NoSQL :P

[acoustic pilot]

Not so much about features being better, more about the dialects being almost completely incompatible at the basic level.

NoSQL probably will never outperform RDBMS at relational data.

MongoDB strikes a nice balance though

[ancient bolt]

and most structured data turns out to be relational 😃

[limber knot]

Sweepyoface: welcome to the darkside

we have cookies

yeah I once made fun of you for that

but now I love it

:)

[ancient bolt]

mongo is garbage

and should be made fun of

[limber knot]

Sweepyoface: https://paste.gg/p/kashike/cd4457e5c31d48f2b306a467b8e5f040

[vestal jasper]

MongoDB is webscale

[limber knot]

updated paste with nicer output

[ancient bolt]

new creator in mcdev (all backend changes, no frontend changes)

is working

no more !! anywhere, totally thread, null, and lateinit safe now

still not structured very well...I'm not totally sure it could be made much better though

since I'm limited by JB's structure in this case

[limber knot]

nice \o/

[ancient bolt]

So, gonna stop supporting older versions in mcdev now

for creation at least

where should I make the cutoff?

[slim nymph]

1.12 😛

[ancient bolt]

= 1.10?

or should i just go yeah

like 1.12

[slim nymph]

.10 and .11 have no purpose

[ancient bolt]

forge?

[slim nymph]

.12 does as .13 fucking sucks and is still broken

forge has .12 doesnt it

[ancient bolt]

yeah

forge folks fucking love old shit

I'll ask some of the forge peeps and see what they think

[slim nymph]

prob not as much as pvpers love them some 1.8

[ancient bolt]

1.8 apparently is the gold standard

but fuck em

they are on their own

right then, 1.12 and up it is

[static badge]

lul 1.8

wasn't that shit released 4 years ago

[pearl ibex]

Dah pee vee pee. :>

[ancient bolt]

https://github.com/minecraft-dev/minecraftdev.org/commit/207a95040fb6d536f781272358322a55fd21292a

[fallow widget]

Oh ProtocolSupport allow 1.8 on 1.13.2 server

How to allow 1.9-1.13 only ?

[limber knot]

@golden gust permission requested for HOP in #paper-help to kickban a dumdum

[upper flicker]

I noticed him

[limber knot]

wow I didn't know that pings tacoman too

[austere ivy]

@all

:

[limber knot]

@dums

[acoustic pilot]

TIL if you have a query in DataGrip with named parameters, it will prompt a dialog with the parameters so you can enter them 😛

Not a big feature, but still neat.

[limber knot]

wat a datagrip

[static badge]

get a datagrip on things

[gloomy sphinx]

what is this guy saying

[upper flicker]

what are you on the programming section of spigot forums?

[gloomy sphinx]

you cannot change the color of a menu?

[upper flicker]

there's nothing good in there

flee now

run

[gloomy sphinx]

;_;

rans

[limber knot]

what is he saying is a good idea

just stick some section symbols in there

[gloomy sphinx]

I was just wondering why his plugin didnt support changing the title color of a gui when most plugins you can

then he tells me spigot doesn't support it

[limber knot]

if u stick section symbols in there it'll work. Or the escaped ascii code

[gloomy sphinx]

oh i see

those weird S symbols

[limber knot]

stick it to 'em

if they don't wanna use ChatColor#translateAlternateWhatevers

[gloomy sphinx]

§§§§§ hacked §§§§§§§§§

thanks

[limber knot]

and then show him how wrong he is in huge large images

[gloomy sphinx]

I will

[limber knot]

that scroll for many pages

then link it here

[gloomy sphinx]

ill turn my ultra wide monitor sideways

and take a screenshot

[austere ivy]

t

[vestal jasper]

q

[gloomy sphinx]

https://namemc.com/profile/spottedleaf.1

[acoustic pilot]

Hm, as a matter of preference, do you prefer to represent actions taken in console to be represented by an actual user record in the database (having an actual row in the database for the console user) or have those related user_id fields to be null if the action was taken by console. For example, a ban record might have a staff_user_id to represent who enacted the ban. This could either be represented by an actual record for the console user or NULL.

[heady spear]

I prefer using a separate record for non-users, as you can then use that to distinguish between different origins of the actions. An example being if it’s executed from console, or from a web interface, etc

[static badge]

.g cyber police

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) http://www.cyberpolice.ir/ -- پلیس فضای تولید و تبادل اطلاعات | پلیس فتا؛ سایه‌سار امنیت...: "تاثیر وای‌فای بر سلامتی. ادامه ... 582. 0. + موارد بیشتـر · cyberpolice-social-network-ott-baner02.png. nomoreransom.gif. اخبار سایر استان ها را..."

[static badge]

wtf is this shit

[heady spear]

Iranian cyber police

[acoustic pilot]

That is a good point, actually.

In fact, in addition to that, I think I'm going to add a system field to the users table to indicate that it's a system user.

[limber knot]

Z750: see pm

[acoustic pilot]

Lame, system is one of the reserved keywords that has to be quoted.

Oh, should probably set a starting AUTO_INCREMENT of like 1000 too, just so I have enough lower IDs to use for system users

[limber knot]

imo, "console" should never be used as a source for anything

[acoustic pilot]

You saying console should never ban people? 😛

Or take any actions?

Or something else?

[limber knot]

correct. "console" should never be seen by anything, be it in-game or a website. it should be more-specific, such as "automatic"

[acoustic pilot]

Technically that's what the system flag is for, but still good to log the exact source, I would imagine.

Any automatic ban would happen under a system user

[limber knot]

I personally wouldn't count automation as "user"s

"Byteflux was automatically banned for fly hacking"

"Byteflux was banned by Zoidberg for fly hacking"

"Byteflux was banned by Console for fly hacking" is something that should not be a thing

[acoustic pilot]

Sure it can be displayed like that in any user-facing situation, but internally I'd still like to know the source.

[static badge]

if you were to ban byteflux for anything it would have to be retarded

[acoustic pilot]

Whether it was through Console (which would be me, most of the time) or some other automated system

[limber knot]

I'm used to things being in containers where you can't easily get to a console, so it's not a problem for me :p

[static badge]

some servers aren't like that :>

[acoustic pilot]

This is how I was thinking it'd be: https://i.imgur.com/Cr65yD5.png

[limber knot]

I hate that console is even a thing, aside from stopping the server

[wide hazel]

^

[limber knot]

The only use for it is vanilla, to op/deop imo. Everything else should be done programmatically, and "console" should never be used for moderation

[acoustic pilot]

As a server owner it's how I did maybe 70% of my chat moderation when it was just me lol

Couldn't be fucked to log in

Where as console was always available. Even in the Docker container I use for running servers, accessing console is still easier than spinning up a client, since I'm always SSH'd into the machine for other reasons.

[static badge]

he's correct

you can't sacrifice functionality of the server just for something to look pretty

you know what that's called/

modern cancer design

[vestal jasper]

Restructure the command to output a nicer message if the sender is console :)

[acoustic pilot]

Yes, I mean that part is understood, but the disagreement was more on principle

The principle being that console should never be used at all to perform actions

[limber knot]

That's what I think, yes. It's more suited for a web panel where the real source is known because they have to authenticate as their user

Or discord, slack, etc

[acoustic pilot]

Could also just have a superadmin user, like me, which all console actions would be logged under

Since it's just me using console

[limber knot]

Not a fan of that. Especially if displayed somewhere like a website, it's nice knowing exactly who did what, and not having to see "Console" or similar and either assume it was you, or try to guess who it was

I like to see exactly who did what,. It by proxy

Not by*

[static badge]

don't auth people to use console then

[upper flicker]

you cant tell me what to do, youre not my real mom

[static badge]

2

ur retarded

[upper flicker]

3

[static badge]

ur real mom should've left u 2 die

[upper flicker]

thats pretty messed up

seems like ur cyberbullying again

[static badge]

2 my mom left me in the winter 😦

u deserve to know the same pain

[upper flicker]

ur mum

was a tree

[vestal jasper]

4

[static badge]

2

[vestal jasper]

4

[static badge]

ur literally the most retarded piece of cancer in this entire universe

[upper flicker]

wow

[vestal jasper]

City's pretty retarded too

[upper flicker]

that cant be true though

[upper flicker]

there are people who like nodejs and shit in this universe

[cosmic raft]

Dance with me

[acoustic pilot]

I wish there was a way to automatically prefix selected columns. Prefixing because of automatic row mapping of pojos in joins: https://i.imgur.com/0OKySrw.png

Maybe like a SELECT tbl.* AS t_*

[slim nymph]

why are you using a sep table for unbans

just remove row or mark it unbanned

dont use it for history, use a history log table for that

[acoustic pilot]

It's more data-efficient.

Not all bans will be unbanned

[slim nymph]

no its not

its the opposite

[acoustic pilot]

Yes it is.

[slim nymph]

just have a boolean active=0/1

if unbanned, flip to 0

[acoustic pilot]

The unbans table has more information than that.

Such as who unbanned, and the reason.

[slim nymph]

ok, so store log as a log

[acoustic pilot]

Data which occupies space even if it's empty

Therefore having a separate table makes sense.

[slim nymph]

the bans table should represent whos banned

[acoustic pilot]

It does

[slim nymph]

shouldnt have to join an unbans table to find that out

[acoustic pilot]

The unbans table is specifically for manual unbans, tracking who did the unban and why they did it

Not having to store that information in the bans table saves space

Because that information might not exist.

If there is no explicit unban to begin with.

Therefore, it's more data-efficient, like I said.

[slim nymph]

ok, so still keep a flag on if the ban has been removed, the unban record can point to the ban record

but 'am i banned' shouldnt need to check unban

[acoustic pilot]

If the ban is permanent, it must be explicitly lifted and therefore an unban record for it would exist.

For temporary bans, the active status is easily determined by the expires_at column.

[static badge]

so ur setting up a serbur huh :>

wats the name

[acoustic pilot]

Secret for now 😛

[static badge]

oh yeah :>

ill find it

[acoustic pilot]

But I used my free Google Domains credit to snag what I think is a decent name 😛

[static badge]

gon be 1.8 pee vee pee?

[acoustic pilot]

No, I wanna do something synchronized with the latest versions

[olive garden]

I thought you meant "be gone" by that

at first

[acoustic pilot]

Probably just a Survival + SkyBlock thing.

PvP ruins everything, going to strongly deemphasize it.

Focus more on PvE

[olive garden]

All of the MC servers I enjoyed (except the very first server I joined) had PvP enabled. I guess I like ruined stuff

[acoustic pilot]

Yes, probably.

It's not exactly rocket science that competitiveness breeds toxicity.

Which is fine, some people like that, and thrive in that.

But that's not what I want.

[olive garden]

Toxicity brings drama, which is a prime source of entertainment

[static badge]

how dare u not want what i want

.g mineheroes

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.mineheroes.net/ -- MineHeroes - Minecraft Server: "Factions and OPFactions reset on December 8 - Full Changelog -..."

[static badge]

huh :>

[acoustic pilot]

I think he thinks he's being clever deleting his message lol

[molten rivet]

No

[static badge]

we have irc

it's still there

[molten rivet]

I just wasn't sure if you could mention servers here

[static badge]

<DiscordBot> <A​ta​k> Hey Byte, the best MineHeroes dev

likely can't if ur advertising

but that's not advertising at all

[molten rivet]

kk

[olive garden]

Did he just call Byteflux a MineHeroes dev?

[molten rivet]

yes, I did..?

[static badge]

he is

apparently :>

[molten rivet]

Indeed

[acoustic pilot]

Not sure why this is notable lol

I don't do much work for MineHeroes directly, more for Minelink.

Which is also owned by the MH owner.

[molten rivet]

Basically the same for me

I just never ever saw you talking in MineHeroes related stuff. It was my life goal to talk to you. I noticed you when I joined this Discord server. Been nice talking to you, sir

[acoustic pilot]

I don't ever and probably will never talk on the MineHeroes Discord.

[olive garden]

That's so sweet

[acoustic pilot]

There's absolutely no point for me to.

There are other more active devs on there who get stuff done.

[static badge]

if ur life goal was to talk to byte

that's pretty weird

byte is retarded af

[molten rivet]

I mean, I never spoke to Mister Byte before so I never knew he was retarded. But now that I think about it... he's actually really nice.

[upper flicker]

you willingly chose to base your online persona around a weird children's book healer cat thing

and leaves

simmer down spots

[acoustic pilot]

lol

[molten rivet]

lols

[static badge]

2

and u literally named urself after a failed intel chipset

[upper flicker]

there's a Z750 intel chipset?

[static badge]

no it failed

[upper flicker]

well thats pretty fitting choice then, big got em etc etc

[static badge]

mfw if intel keeps up the naming there will be

it'll probably be a disaster too

like the true z750

[upper flicker]

already went there

keep up

[olive garden]

I think you are missing the point

it's ZNumbers, not ZSpecificNumbers

[molten rivet]

Just like you just did in your sentence.

[static badge]

2

[upper flicker]

3

[static badge]

ur just mad cuz bad

[molten rivet]

Let's all be nice to eachother!

[acoustic pilot]

Has Spotted gotten his daily kick yet?

[static badge]

yes

[acoustic pilot]

Oh, shame.

[static badge]

see #dev

[olive garden]

there are two #dev channels

[upper flicker]

@acoustic pilot is that an assumption that he can only be kicked once?

that doesnt sound right

[olive garden]

I think this is a trick

[acoustic pilot]

That was the assumption yeah, I thought we only kicked him once a day 😃

[upper flicker]

its a new day on the east coast

this server is in US-East region

[acoustic pilot]

Oh yeah.

[upper flicker]

like we care, go ham

[static badge]

wtf

[acoustic pilot]

~_~

[molten rivet]

Welcome back, ma'am. We were indeed expecting you!

Atleast I was

[stiff yarrow]

so I take it mineheroes is one of those big networks

[molten rivet]

Well, big... 900 players during peak usually

[acoustic pilot]

1000, but yeah. During summer/winter it peaks at 1200-1400

[molten rivet]

^

[acoustic pilot]

Not as big as many others of course, but still on the bigger side.

[molten rivet]

Indeed, quite big compared to most servers. In my opinion it is the best server out there. Loads of custom things no other server like it.

[acoustic pilot]

Minelink, their sister server I guess you could say, has been peaking at around 200.

[orchid pelican]

changing package names requires a maven clean to compile correctly lol

[molten rivet]

Mine link, also a really nice server.

[cosmic raft]

@orchid pelican

[acoustic pilot]

I pretty much only do mvn clean package when testing new plugin builds 😛

So never really noticed

[orchid pelican]

i just use the fancy maven gui in intelij to run package

but it didnt recompile classes even though they improted classes that had there packages changed

so lots of no good goods

[jolly violet]

i typed MVN CLEAN PACKAGE in all caps but my junk is still filthy

@upper flicker clean my package please, maven is broken

[ancient bolt]

bleh

have a headache

am tired

😦

[native thunder]

Just get a toothbrush and scrub

The trick is to get between all the files

[ancient bolt]

have 3 hours of driving tomorrow

😦 😦

[native thunder]

Rip demon

[upper flicker]

That’s a short enough drive to still be nice

It’s the 8 hour ones that suck

Or the 15 hour ones, ugh

[ancient bolt]

i mean

I'm happy to say they all suck

but yes, 8 hours would be demonstrably worse

[upper flicker]

3 is chill

Just put some music on

[orchid pelican]

The amount of stupidity I go through when people dm me NOT A RANK AT ALL about modding PAPER about some stupid ass pvp porting mind boggles me

Like dude low key brags and then asks for help

[static badge]

screenshots or it didn't happen

[native thunder]

So that's an invite to slide into your dms for paper help right?

[static badge]

yup it didn't happen

[upper flicker]

I just block PMs from people not on my friends list

95% of them were just support requests

[heady spear]

I care about my community so I keep them open :))

[upper flicker]

No you don’t, no ones buying that

[native thunder]

City clearly is a M

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/CjTCoa2.png

[worldly condor]

someone help in #paper-dev ty

[heady spear]

...

people will help you when they are available and/or want to, there are channels for a reason

don't bring that channel here =)))

[native thunder]

This is the channel where we bully leaf and bug city about IS stuff not being updated/working

[heady spear]

"and IS stuff" hahah u fail hahah loser

[worldly condor]

wat

[heady spear]

If someone hasn't responded there, what makes you think they'll respond if you just tag the channel in here?

[native thunder]

I type like an absolute idiot on my phone

Basically every second message has a couple wrong words in it

[cosmic raft]

:D

[acoustic pilot]

IntelliJ complains about "duplicate code" for my bootstrapping code for 2 different modules because they share the same package and class names. The common module has classes like AbstractUserManager, and the bungee and spigot modules both each have a UserManager implementation (same package, same class name). The code that bootstraps these classes are in the respective plugin classes, but IntelliJ sees it as duplicate code 😦

[worldly condor]

IntelliJ's duplicate code checker is shit

i have the same issue with my spigot module of my announcements plugin when it's installed in bungeecord

[heady spear]

Turn off the inspection for those classes 🤷 It's generally quite good

[acoustic pilot]

Yeah most of the time it's good, but maybe this is a sign that I can further simplify the bootstrapping to reduce the "duplication"

[heady spear]

Probably. Sometimes it's not practicable tho

[worldly condor]

sometimes it helps, sometimes its pure shit

[heady spear]

It's not pure shit, though?

[acoustic pilot]

Like 99% of the time it's actually really good lol

This is just one of those 1% cases

[cosmic raft]

not 99

more like 85%

[worldly condor]

^^

[acoustic pilot]

But since the bootstrapping has to happen in each plugin class, not sure how I can avoid duplication

[heady spear]

In that case I wouldn't view it as a problem, and just ignore it

[worldly condor]

@acoustic pilot i know how: go in the settings and disable the goddamit duplicate code checker

[acoustic pilot]

You're actually retarded lol

[worldly condor]

ik that

say something new

[acoustic pilot]

You're more retarded than you think you are.

There.

Something new.

[worldly condor]

its not

say something new

[acoustic pilot]

Just took your advice @heady spear, added @SuppressWarnings("Duplicates")

For the onEnable() of each plugin

[worldly condor]

WAT

[void void]

dude please get more mature somehow

[worldly condor]

you can suppress duplicate warnings ?

WAT

[void void]

yes

[worldly condor]

didn't knew this

[void void]

WAT OMG IDE HAS ACTUALLY INTELLIGENT FEATURES OMG WTF

WTFFFFFFFFFF

[heady spear]

I mean, in this case you were aware of the duplication and you had a reason for it, so there's nothing wrong with just ignoring the warning in that case

It's useful in places where you're not aware that you have duplicated code. If you make an active decision to do so, it's fine imo

[void void]

code duplicates are kinda unavoidable in certain cases

[worldly condor]

^

[void void]

or atleast intellij is detecting then as "duplicates"

[acoustic pilot]

I used to have the classes prefixed with names like SpigotUserManager and BungeeUserManager, and when it was like that, I didn't get any duplication warnings in the bootstrapping code.

but decided to get rid of the prefixing

Since only one implementation can exist in the runtime

IntelliJ also complains about duplicate classes when you create a class that the other module already has

[heady spear]

I would have kept the prefix just to make the code easier to work with 😛 No duplicates when switching between classes using the hotkeys, etc

[worldly condor]

i have these problems

always finding dupes in bungee and bukkit side that can't be avoided

because they're with another player interface and things

[void void]

try splitting up code into actual modules

[acoustic pilot]

That's the thing

They are split up lol

[void void]

wew

yeah then suppress warnings

[native thunder]

You can suppress any warning lol

[acoustic pilot]

Split up as common, bungee and spigot modules.

[native thunder]

With annotations or comments

[void void]

you can even make broken code compilable

by commenting it out

[acoustic pilot]

but for example both bungee and spigot module will have an implementation class, for example, called UserManager, under the same package 😛

[void void]

[ancient bolt]

for kotlin plugin development jetbrains recommends the usage of the kotlin UI builder DSL for creating ui elements rather than their form builder

but the kotlin UI builder DSL is hot trash and their form builder is pretty nice and capable

so...glad I wasted those 2 hours giving the DSL a try i guess

it was pretty nice for the simple cases

but yeah sucked for the complex shit

[orchid pelican]

@static badge happend

[void void]

what's this

[ancient bolt]

if that guy keeps spamming people he can be removed..

[worldly condor]

can someone teach me on using ACF ?

[upper flicker]

IntelliJ keeps asking me to unlock my SSH key when I start it

[void void]

@worldly condor see aikar's discord

[worldly condor]

what? where?

how?

why i am not inside?

:kappa:

[crystal thorn]

Quick question.

[void void]

ask

[crystal thorn]

    private final static ArrayList<Player> inRenaming = new ArrayList<>();

    public ArrayList<Player> getInRenaming()
    {
        return inRenaming;
    }
    ```

Getter and setters, is this static abusing?

It's a rough code.

Just the basic idea.

[crystal thorn]

Anyone? because if I set the arraylist with a certain player value in one class, and try to check if it contains in another class, it returns as null if it's not static.

So unsure how I should go about it if that's still static abusing. - just realised I'm in #general, apologies. Thought I was in paper-dev. We can continue this chat in there.

[worldly condor]

@crystal thorn follow the liskov substitution principle

    public List<Player> getInRenaming()
    {
        return inRenaming;
    }```

someone send me aikar's discord

server

found it

[golden gust]

"in one class and check if it contains in another" thats fundimental to the entire system we work with, classes have an identity and all of their state is bound to that, bar static, in which stuff is basically bound to the concept of the class existing

[worldly condor]

does paper have a player fall event ?

[void void]

entity damage event

damagecause fall damage

[worldly condor]

or: player move event
if event getFrom.getY is bigger than event.getTo.getY

[upper flicker]

careful with that

youll get ladders and other legit movements

[limber knot]

Hi! Paper is cool, bye

[void void]

ok nice

[worn ember]

does mysql's BEGIN and COMMIT guarantee that both get executed or neither?

[acoustic pilot]

So uh... this isn't too much is it? https://i.imgur.com/FVg86A1.png

[limber knot]

ur face is too much

reduce it by 20%

[acoustic pilot]

I can't

It's a big ball of flesh 😦

[limber knot]

not with that attitude

come to my clinic

let me show you my medicinal chainsaw

[acoustic pilot]

I don't think they make those

You seem fishy

[limber knot]

they don't I do

that's what makes my brand special

[acoustic pilot]

Are you sure you're licensed?

[limber knot]

I have a license to carry a chainsaw

[acoustic pilot]

Using more descriptive generic type names https://i.imgur.com/k5v25Mq.png

Fuck convention

[heady spear]

abastract class AbstractUserListener<T extends ICorePlugin<U>, U extends AbstractCore<T, ?, ?, V>, V extends AbstractUserManager<W, X>, W extends AbstractUser<X>> obviously

[acoustic pilot]

Is that the convention? If so it's retarded lol

[heady spear]

I don't think it is 😛

it should be though, less letters = less typing = more time spent not typing

[acoustic pilot]

It's OK, IntelliJ auto-completes for me 😛

IntelliJ is also smart enough to use generic type names for variable name hinting

[heady spear]

so you don't edit your java files in notepad?

[acoustic pilot]

I thought about that, whether it would look like shit outside of IDE

Thought maybe I should prefix it with T or something

TPlayer, TPlugin, etc

But meh

[worldly condor]

@acoustic pilot wtf is that

[heady spear]

"Please do not ping project staff, contributors, or notable persons directly" 🤔

[cedar spade]

@cedar spade

[heady spear]

ban him^

[cedar spade]

@cedar spade wHaT dId YoU pInG fOr

[heady spear]

stop pinging him omg

[cedar spade]

@cedar spade sorry

[heady spear]

stop it

ur breaking rule

u'll get banned

[worldly condor]

what game r u playing ?

@cedar spade how did you became notable? sry for ping

[normal echo]

MD is a legendary developer

[worldly condor]

md_5 is a legendary developer, idk for that MD

[cedar spade]

I mAdE bUkKiTpLuGiNmD /s

[worldly condor]

i also have made some good plugins recently

private, and public also

[cedar spade]

I maintain EssentialsX alongside SupaHam and Trent

[worldly condor]

😮

[heady spear]

wow he made plugin why isn't he notable

[cedar spade]

It took several months for me to get notable

[worldly condor]

i am working on complicated things not because its easy, but because its hard

[heady spear]

... what?

[cedar spade]

Even though Z was literally in the MOSS server and saw I maintained it

[heady spear]

MOSS? 😛

[normal echo]

[worldly condor]

i am also developer on a bulgarian server

and will be mod on a international factions server

[heady spear]

w o w, international

Plenty of people in here are developers

@worn ember excluded

[cedar spade]

https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/289587909051416579/541144998901710848

[worldly condor]

i mean, server developer

not a plugin one

[worn ember]

Wow this is cyber bullying

[worldly condor]

@worn ember go sue him

[worn ember]

@heady spear i saw that you little shit xD

[cedar spade]

shhh

[heady spear]

"Please do not ping project staff, contributors, or notable persons directly." @worn ember 😠

[cedar spade]

@cedar spade so what did you actually want

[worn ember]

all your cells

[heady spear]

stop dumb

[worldly condor]

opening task manager killing "Citymonstret"'s processes

[worldly condor]

Several people are typing...

[dapper nacelle]

Pretty cool that this server is verified

[worldly condor]

@cedar spade idk if thats a bug from essentials or EssentialsX, but when you type in the chat something like this.is.something., the "." gets replaced by a space

if you can fix it, that would be cool

[cedar spade]

Sounds like another plugin

[worldly condor]

nope

its not

[limber knot]

sounds like love at the first sight

[cedar spade]

If you think it's EssentialsX, open a bug report

[wraith oracle]

1

This guy lmao

[tropic flame]

"my viathingi"

[worn ember]

:(((

No work

[heady spear]

uhm plz fix viathingi

[peak dirge]

I'll fix my viathing on the Tuesday after the Half-Life 3 release

[cedar spade]

but muh viathingi

[tropic flame]

tbh username checks out on that screenshot

[peak dirge]

😉

[slim nymph]

ugh Travis's OpenJDK 11 doesnt seem to support LetsEncrypt https://travis-ci.org/aikar/commands/jobs/510340414

but wait paper uses my repo too, how is papers not failing o.o

[cedar spade]

magic

[void void]

@worldly condor essxchat installed?

make sure you've granted player a permission to send urls

[worldly condor]

it is a permission ?

[slim nymph]

wtf how does paper build w/ my repo unless it has everything it needs cached or something

https://travis-ci.org/PaperMC/Paper/jobs/509829997 yeah looks like its not pulling anything from mine

i emailed travis support

they need to update the jdk11 ca certs

oraclejdk fails too

hmm i wonder if i can force update them in my travis script?

[native thunder]

You can probably add the cert using your script?

[worldly condor]

i wonder should i switch from the md_5 code style to the ide default

[native thunder]

Wait

You have a cert issued to aikar.dev on aikair.co?

[worldly condor]

wow

[slim nymph]

welcome to SNI 😛

[peak dirge]

.dev is a new TLD; also SNI

[slim nymph]

I have *.aikar.dev aikar.dev *.aikar.co aikar.co all in 1 cert

[native thunder]

Oh neat

[worldly condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NGsIP8zOHk Pernik, Bulgaria

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Welcome to The Pernik (Добре дошли в Перник) - length 3m 3s - 2,009 likes, 113 dislikes (94.7%) - 312,658 views - hath on 2012.02.13

[slim nymph]

I found this https://github.com/holgerbrandl/kscript/blob/master/.travis.yml

[limber knot]

Worth noting that we use a root vm or something

[worldly condor]

welcome to pernik

[slim nymph]

ima see if i can fix the ca certs that way

[static badge]

checks concrete.dev

~250 CAD

[worldly condor]

should i switch to ide default code style

[slim nymph]

wtf the build magically fixed itself

wonder if travis support fixed it

right as im trying workarounds lol

[worldly condor]

aikar

should i change my code style to ide default ?

[slim nymph]

yes

https://travis-ci.org/aikar/commands/jobs/510346718 well that def worked at least

[worldly condor]

when aikar told something, we should do it (kappa)

switching back

[slim nymph]

oh wtf, it is still failing but random retrying works

[worldly condor]

wtf

@slim nymph how do i do announcements command for example with acf ? Player, String or ?

like i need some arguments after something

./something something <message>

[slim nymph]

@Subcommand("something") public void onAnnounce(Player player, String message) { }

[worldly condor]

cool, so its worth doing 90% of the commands inside my announcements plugin from acf

does the help command is clickable tho ?

wait actually no

i cant do them

because i have language system for no permission messages and things

[slim nymph]

acf supports that too

https://github.com/aikar/commands/wiki/Locales

man adding ghost pepper hot sauce to stuff is always scary

its like 'just a tiny drop in each corner'

having to carefully tap bottle so a huge blob doesnt fall out lol

[worn ember]

Pussy

go hard or go home lol

[slim nymph]

have you ever even had the shit

ghost pepper is no childs play hot sauce 😛

i bet what i had in those beans would of blew many away lol

i love it though

[heady spear]

10/10 interaction

[static badge]

should just restrict to english users only tbh :>

english people too so that'd get rid of u

[cosmic raft]

oh boy, citrix

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/az7jw4/citrix_security_breach_6tb_compromised/

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Citrix Security Breach - 6TB Compromised : sysadmin - 123 comments, 601 points - JshLnsctt, 13d ago

[static badge]

6TB isn't a lot tbh

some people got like 10TB of furry porn u know

[cosmic raft]

point is they're a US government contractor too

[static badge]

i was memeing :>

[cosmic raft]

https://www.businessinsider.com/lyft-ipo-amazon-web-services-2019-3

fucking christ

[static badge]

yeah and?

[heady spear]

"Lyft is committed to spending between $8.33 million and $8.57 million a month on AWS, which hosts its entire app and platform."
See, that makes sense then :p

[cosmic raft]

still, $8m/month

makes me cry

[ancient bolt]

apple pays amazon $1b/year for AWS

[static badge]

monkaS

[green edge]

damn

google cloud

azure

ovh cloud

and so on

i get the fact that some of the solutions i've mentioned are less stable and long-lasting

but they definetly have a way lower price mark

[worldly condor]

goddamnit

[fallen oracle]

I enjoy my lil OVH vps

[void void]

i use 2 scaleway start-1 vps-es to do web

one is for generic stuff such as php and in-house web services

second holds up mattermost

[fallen oracle]

Ahh that's cool I just have 1 to do sites, Nexus, etc

[void void]

nexus is bit heavyweight for simply jar hosting :/

[green edge]

ovh cloud rocks

from what reviews i've seen

generally OVH has really good services as a rented hardware provider

[fallen oracle]

Yeah it is heavy weight but I use it to cache other stuff like vault since that repo always goes down

[cosmic raft]

@green edge azure is even worse I'd say

https://twitter.com/ApajoveJohn/status/981948695573917697

John Quirk (@ApajoveJohn)

@jarwidmark @mikael_nystrom @jasoncorchuelo @lassfolk We shut down almost all our Azure SysCtr lab environment and bought a Xeon 4TB SSD 196GB RAM server for the cost of a single month's Azure burn.
And the performance is far better.

Twitter

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) @ApajoveJohn (John Quirk): @jarwidmark @mikael_nystrom @jasoncorchuelo @lassfolk We shut down almost all our Azure SysCtr lab environment and… https://t.co/0NKg6GI1eC (11 months and 22 days ago)

[cosmic raft]

and that's just a small company

[worldly condor]

how do i get intellij to set me automatically a copyright when a new project is created ?

[static badge]

it's under the copyright in the settings

somewhere :>

use the search function

[worldly condor]

i mean automatically

not manual

[static badge]

yes it's in there

it will do it on file creation

[green edge]

@cosmic raft yeah, azure is on the edge.

Still, i know for a fact that ovh cloud & google cloud are way cheaper.

If that's not enough for them, i'd just go with renting servers and virtualizing them myself but there may be advantages i don't see with cloud computing

[native thunder]

Well. When you own the hardware, you need to over provision and you'll have servers sitting idle

[green edge]

true

but most times that doesn't matter

[native thunder]

Cloud is better at bursty traffic

[green edge]

definetly

[native thunder]

It's not about most of the time though

[green edge]

doubt that lyft needs so much bursted power

[native thunder]

If lyft slows to a crawl when they're busy, people will go to their competitor

[green edge]

since they can just purchase lots of servers

8m a month

[native thunder]

Ride share is super bursty

[green edge]

let me calculate

how much it'll take for them

[native thunder]

Right. But servers aren't buy and forget. You need to support that infrastructure. You need to hire people to support it

With cloud you have sla

You have the benefit of data centers around the world

[green edge]

of course

but again if that isn't perfect for them renting also works

since i doubt they need really low latency

OVH would work just fine for them

eg

that's 90.000+

[native thunder]

I think you're underestimating the amount of traffic they get lol

[green edge]

they surely do get lots

maybe tbps

but ovh / google cloud can definetly handle that

what makes me surprised is that a company goes with a solution that's pretty easily replaceable by something more price efficient

[native thunder]

That's just blind speculation

Their work flow might be aws based. Hell it could just be their engineers are more familiar with aws

Without knowing how much capacity they use, there's no way for you to speculate and say they're over paying

[green edge]

yeah, you're right

[native thunder]

If you read the article, you'll see a mention that snapchat also pays hundreds of millions of dollars a year for cloud services

Google cloud

[green edge]

seems quite a lot for max 30mil users

[native thunder]

Who knows. But changing infrastructure isn't as easy as hitting a button

It can take years

[green edge]

definetly

can't deny that

[native thunder]

And require a shit ton or retraining and hiring people

[green edge]

plus contracts that need to expire first

so i do realize that

[native thunder]

Not something a company that's trying to go public wants to deal with

[green edge]

yeah true

~ 25 million users worldwide

6 mil per cloud computing

25 cents a user for computing

[cedar spade]

25 cents per user is probably peanuts considering how much money they get from showing incessant TikTok advertising

imeanwat I totally don't use Snapchat no what are you implying

[limber knot]

8 million a month covers someone else being responsible for racking servers, monitoring them for hardware issues, managing networks, etc as well as the actual compute power you get

Cloud is usually still more expensive but it's nice to be able to just set it up and forget about it, someone else is responsible for keeping it running

Like, three shifts of people to monitor your infrastructure, assuming it's small enough for one person to do so at a time, is already like $40k/month or more