boob = Death by Carrot
#general
jolly violet
other
vestal jasper
nice
jolly violet
want boob? 😃
vestal jasper
maybe tomorrow
vestal jasper
ok
paper cargo
acoustic pilot
Hm, are there known issues with using ServiceLoader with plugin-based services?
In particular, class loader issues.
cosmic raft
shouldn't be
acoustic pilot
A shaded library I'm using doesn't seem to be able to load services from the plugin.
It's shaded into the plugin in question.
Might be a similar issue with why my MariaDB driver isn't recognized when using jdbc:mariadb:// URL too. Have to manually load the class first.
acoustic pilot
Kind of sucks, but no big deal lol
gloomy sphinx
Is it possible to decompile a plugin made for 1.8 and update it to 1.13?
vestal jasper
yes
austere ivy
Yes.
vestal jasper
You'll have a varying degree of difficulty though
atomic marten
Doesn’t mean it is necessarily practical
vestal jasper
^^
austere ivy
I mean that’s what the devs do (but without the decompiling)
But I suggest decompiling the plugin you like, learning how the key parts work, then recreating (if it’s not too large)
gloomy sphinx
When a plugin is compiled - does it compile with the spigot version jar?
vestal jasper
In other news I got fallout 3 working with 7.1 audio
atomic marten
Depends on the developer
acoustic pilot
mfw
handle.execute("LOCK TABLE migrations AS m_read READ, migrations AS m_write WRITE");
java.sql.SQLException: (conn=74) Table 'm_read' was not locked with LOCK TABLES [statement:"SELECT * FROM m_read ...
gloomy sphinx
thanks
atomic marten
Eap locks
vestal jasper
I compile against paper because I'm lazy and it's convenient
acoustic pilot
Must be doing something wrong 😛
austere ivy
Compile against paper if it’s your own personal server
vestal jasper
I mean my server runs paper and I only make plugins for my server
vestal jasper
Even if the plugin doesn't use paper methods I still target it
City can agree I'm pretty damn lazy
atomic marten
Because targeting paper is easier? Or because you do have plugins that target
acoustic pilot
Always good to have all the nice APIs that Paper offers at your disposal, even if you don't use them.
stiff yarrow
nothing wrong with going for the widest net possible
acoustic pilot
Definitely, if your intention is to cast a net.
For a personal server, doubt that's the case.
amber marsh
stiff yarrow
true
amber marsh
Hey guys, what are some good VPS providers for mc servers?
stiff yarrow
idk about VPS but kimsufi is cheap af for dedis
cosmic raft
my god
I spent 10 minutes trying to setup a plain spigot workspace with no luck
it's shit
acoustic pilot
@ancient bolt That SO answer you linked about listing a directory contents of a classpath doesn't work with jars, apparently. Need to use JarFile for that, sadly.
Would've been nice 😦
I should try my code more frequently, rather than after I've already written a few hundred lines of APIs and javadocs 😛
Gotta change a few APIs
ancient bolt
@slim nymph I think it's really wholesome how you link to skedule for kotlin users and okkero links to TC for java users lol
ancient bolt
it's really nice
and leverages the power of coroutines which is awesome
Moving a lot of my project creation code in mcdev to coroutines atm
using his code as a reference lol
amber marsh
I heard kimsufi cpus arent that great especially for servers with 40-50+ players
acoustic pilot
Just need the right CPU. Realistically the KS-7 is the only decent CPU for Minecraft hosting on Kimsufi
but Kimsufi doesn't offer SSD for that dedi, which sucks.
Also being able to host 40-50 players with an $18/mo dedi is not bad lol.
Not sure what you were expecting.
If you're hosting more than that, you should be on a beefier dedicated machine.
void void
🍖
spark dirge
fallen oracle
Throwback to 6th grade ^
acoustic pilot
My neighbor leaves their full garbage bag outside their door overnight (and some times all day) so they can take it to the dumpster later. My door is less than 2 meters away from theirs. Seriously rude/shitty thing to do, making the stairway smell like fucking garbage >_>
fallen oracle
Yeah
cosmic raft
"yeah" to two options
fallen oracle
1st
cosmic raft
ah
stiff yarrow
@amber marsh well yeah, its super budget level stuff
upper flicker
2am fire alarm, rip sleep
fallen oracle
Ouch
upper flicker
It’s not that hard to make a quesadilla you fucks
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.g quesadilla
limber knotBOT
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cosmic raft
there's something you don't see everyday
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380623414295134209/556356924715696128/IMG_20190315_175312.jpg
slim nymph
.8TB used for chinese espionage
acoustic pilot
Better the Chinese government, than the US government 😉
If I'm gonna be spied on either way, I mean.
upper flicker
Speaking of espionage, if I wanted to look through someone’s stuff, steal some shit, pulling the fire alarm and clearing the building would be smart af
Orrrrrr someone just can’t work a fucking microwave
But that’s far less interesting
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ur pretty triggered bout dat rnt u
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u know leaves sit out in the cold all the time
upper flicker
You know leaves burn in horrific forest fires that destroy their entire families right?
upper flicker
I kinda wish the building was actually on fire
I could huddle around it for warmth
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:>
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big yikers
atomic marten
I keep my hardware key with me
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wtf since when has the channel topic been this way
acoustic pilot
since all new channels were made
upper flicker
Forever
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2 ill come over there and hit the fire alarm :>
ancient bolt
look at that commit message, damn
i deserve a vacation after that
think I'm gonna take the next 2 days off work
ancient bolt
lol commit messages are frequently longer than the diff on the linux kernel
I like in-depth explanations 😄
heady spear
If your commit messages aren't '*' then what are you doing?
void void
just commit "goodnight" every time you finish for the day
atomic marten
Kappa
limber knotBOT
get out I need my numbers
heady spear
😠 your numbers are lying anyways
limber knotBOT
well at least I got the screenshot
ancient bolt
It's more likely eventual consistency
atomic marten
Might be the last 69 you will see
heady spear
I insubscribed and now it's 69 in both places
atomic marten
Till you get it from likes
ancient bolt
Rather than actually tracking a single person unsubbing in real time
heady spear
un** ffs
ancient bolt
Fucking about time
ancient bolt
Who the fuck are these people that are actually subbing to fucking pewdiepide?
heady spear
I mean, I personally enjoy his content. I don't understand how it got him the worlds biggest subscriber count for ages, though.
heady spear
I much prefer his current content over his old content :p
unreal pier
Lmao T-Series is 20k ahead.
Now, how many people would kill me if I subscribed to T-Series
heady spear
I don't think anyone really cares 🤷
acoustic pilot
I somehow doubt any large amount of people give a shit who you subscribe to on YouTube in any country.
heady spear
this guy cares
ancient bolt
I don't think anyone cares
I wish when PewDiePie lied about deleting his channel to act as leverage he actually did it
We need actually good content on YT to be encouraged, not that bullshjt
upper flicker
Agreeing with DemonWav is a dangerous road to go down
heady spear
skrattar du förlorar du :)<3
upper flicker
No
upper flicker
Tbh the translation for that was pretty garbage, I just don’t want to encourage you
That’s not wacism
heady spear
Ye
unreal pier
:/
ancient bolt
Hi can you fucking not
upper flicker
No I can’t not
unreal pier
Oof..
upper flicker
We have a thing for that, really drives home the 
ancient bolt
One more time and you're gone
ancient bolt
Yes
ancient bolt
Don't spam friend requests
upper flicker
Lol
ancient bolt
There, fixed it on my end by disabling friend requests
void void
hybrid oasis
tawdry bolt
regal onyx
green edge
well, people here or on any discord channel really add the staff as friends
to feel special
quasi canyon
Anyone having issues with ridables having an actual seizure in the console with the current paper build?
worn ember
haven't noticed anything weird with it on my end
limber knotBOT
well I just bought an external monitor for my camera
buying camera equipment is so insanely expensive
void void
slim nymph
dat's a lot of new people. welcome everyone
wide hazel
wide hazel
haughty anchor
Oh hey egg
shy thunder
slim nymph
So where are all you new people finding duscord/PaperMC from, did something prominent link us?
unreal quarry
Well, at least he knew to separate the pages before throwing them, otherwise they wouldn't have scattered like that. Good ol' Sheldon
jolly violet
yeah they woulda stuck together
what should i expect from a web analytics exam lol
my interview apparently has an exam component
limber knotBOT
Is the InventoryMoveItemEvent event just for hoppers? Or is it for things like players depositing items into a chest as well?
slim nymph
hoppers only
but please do not call .get/setItem
you will drastically destroy performance if you do
limber knotBOT
Okay, thank you!
The general gist is that due to the way that event works, calling getItem will end up needing to start creating a lot of item clones; if you do not care about the item, do NOT touch getItem
slim nymph
getItem doesn't trigger the clone, but calling .getItem implies that cancellation state of the event can vary based on item.
If you don't call getItem, we can assume that a cancelled event will be cancelled for every attempted item in the inventory, so we can abort iteration early
but if you call it, now cancellation has to be checked for all 54 items
so you go from 1 event fire to 54 for a double chest filled
FYI we have a paper-dev IRC channel now for dev stuff. This is the social channel 😛
TACOCAT
fallen oracle
That is indeed a palindrum
slim nymph
that actually got said on NPR the other day haha
about pairing 2 words that make a palindrum and taco cat was first one
heady spear
NPR?
slim nymph
.g npr radio
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.npr.org/ -- NPR : National Public Radio : News & Analysis, World, US,...: "NPR delivers breaking national and world news. Also top stories from business, politics, health, science, technology, music, arts and culture...."
slim nymph
about the only sanity left in news in the US
pretty much only news source I know of thats unbiased.
heady spear
Oh. I would have guessed (are you smarter) thaN (a) Phift gRader
But I guess that makes more sense
stiff yarrow
I thought NPR had a left bias
limber knotBOT
Eh, depending on what program you're listening to they can drift somewhat left or right but overall I'd say they average out
Saying "X has a left bias" is mostly just people used to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News surprised something else isn't one of those :P
slim nymph
@stiff yarrow NPR has a factual bias, which right leaning news sources dislike facts, so they call it a left bias.
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oo we back to politics?
upper flicker
NPR definitely drifts over both sides of the spectrum
that being said "journalistic centralism" has shifted quite a bit in the last 20 years
its mostly used by right leaning networks to slam everybody else
slim nymph
i generally find their news to discuss how a subject is considered from both angles. Topics such as abortion
NPR would be like "State is banning abortion. The right is celebrating. The left is rallying against it."
A left leaning site would phrase that as "Male Republican law makers invade womens choices"
A right leaning site would phrase that as "The left is evil baby killers and want to allow killing babies"
NPR tends to not personally take sides in the reporting
upper flicker
NPR doesnt, shows on NPR do all the time
I will give them credit for having radio shows both my crazy right winger 80 year old ex-boss and my super liberal manager can both stomach though
slim nymph
except on factual science topics like Climate Change, the Earth being a sphere, Vaccines. Where as some on the right denounce those facts and call it left wing fake news.
stiff yarrow
I was under the impression NPR had a strong left bias, not that there is anything wrong with that
upper flicker
I cant speak to the organization behind it, maybe they make charitable donations to leftist causes
but the reporting goes over into both sides of that spectrum, usually remains pretty factual though
then again what is and isnt leftist is going to depend on who youre talking to
everything is pretty right over center compared to europe
stiff yarrow
That's true
upper flicker
while fox news considers everything leftist that isnt them
slim nymph
and yeah the news reporting vs the 'shows' are different. the comedy shows do typically jab at right viewpoints
upper flicker
they arent billed as comedy
slim nymph
wait wait dont tell me isnt comedy? lol
upper flicker
its billed exactly the same as shows on fox, msnbc, cnn, etc
'thoughts on events by x'
even fox's breaking news coverage isnt that bad
its the morning shows that go fucking batty
stiff yarrow
I dont know of any shows that are truly unbiased tbh
slim nymph
says comedy 😛
stiff yarrow
Everyone has some kind of bias typically
slim nymph
i know WWDTM will mock right wing views
upper flicker
"contestants are quizzed"
yeah thats not even remotely the type of show Im talking about
slim nymph
thats what i meant by shows
bleak anvil
Hey @upper flicker - would it be alright if I DM you about a particularly important legal matter relating to the Minecraft developer community at large, and a specific developer that you've commented on in this Discord before?
slim nymph
does it really need to be private?
upper flicker
if its a legal matter that involves this org in any way, yes
slim nymph
this rooms usually all up for shaming bad behavior from devs in the community 😛
upper flicker
if its a legal matter thats about someone else and not this org, idc
bleak anvil
I'm hoping it won't be private for long. I just didn't want to share information here about a bad actor without first checking with someone in charge.
upper flicker
accept friend -> send me a DM
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hm i wonder what this is about
upper flicker
taking legal action against all leaves
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u resort to violence cuz u know ur ass would get rekt in court
like the humans in that bee movie
upper flicker
courts dont recognize leaves
nor would they recognize bees
that shit would get overturned on appeal
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they wont recognize ur ass either once we leaves win this war
upper flicker
some feel good judge doesnt get to decide bees have legal standing
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2 ur just being retarded again
upper flicker
leaves are less real than bees
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wtf see
upper flicker
so really youre just upset I said mean things about something better than you
limber knotBOT
Z750: Fox News daily reporting is far less obviously biased than their nightly "opinion shows" but it's still extremely biased
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no
upper flicker
I dont watch their daily
I've just seen clips of 'le breaking news shooter in xyz'
and that was no more or less biased than CNN
ofc treating CNN like the bar is a crime in and of itself
limber knotBOT
Sure, legit breaking news they don't really get a chance to spin since it's so in the moment
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:thonkers:
limber knotBOT
CNN is just weird, they used to be the boring news channel then they leaned heavily in to reporting on what people on twitter think of the news and now it's just all over the place dumb shit
And MSNBC mostly decided they wanted to be the left wing Fox News
upper flicker
heh
I think some of the anchors on MSBNC have always wanted that
but ever since trump took office they swung hard into it as an org
limber knotBOT
They booted Keith Obermann out for trying to make it that, iirc
But yeah, since Trump they've leaned in to it hard
Before Trump you could say they were biased but it wasn't that bad, at least for their daily news stuff
Now they spend all day talking about investigations in to Trump and then their nightly shows more or less do the same thing but with more depth
It was interesting right around the election in 2016 to see what was going on with all the nasty shit he's involved in but I got outrage fatigue and stopped watching
upper flicker
well they treat every scandal with the same severity
its one thing that he keeps giving them serious shit
and its another that they flip out with the same anger that he did something stupid
yesterday trump threatened the separation of powers and today HE DEFENDED HIS TWITTER USE????!?!?! MORE AT 8
like wtf are they expecting
limber knotBOT
That's more CNN than MSNBC but yeah, they've definitely got that going on
CNN is "everything he does is bad", MSNBC is "everything he does is newsworthy but sometimes we come to consensus it's kind of okay or only bad before of why he is doing it"
Anyhow, anyone getting Sekiro?
.g Sekiro
(mikroskeem) https://www.sekirothegame.com/ -- Sekiro™ Shadows Die Twice: "Carve your own clever path to vengeance in an all-new adventure from developer FromSoftware."
might pirate it later
if it becomes available
but doesn't look interesting enough for me
It's a variant of the soulsborne games
But with stealth mechanics (you can get one hit backstabs on unaware enemies) and more advanced movement mechanics (grappling hook and sliding)
More or less if you like Dark Souls, Demons Souls, or Bloodborne you'd like it
Just like those it's really hard compared to normal games but not bullshit hard like I Want To Be The Guy and such
ruby oriole
upper flicker
your mom is a hoe
I appreciate the thought that went into what I can only assume is going to be an obvious troll
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2 wtf is with that hostility
upper flicker
was the hostility the 'your mom is a hoe' or assuming that someone with that name and pic is a troll
pls clarify my hostility so I can better respond to you
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2 ur just being hostile
upper flicker
I could look at you and you'd say its hostile
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no I'd praise you for doing the impossible and moving ur head with only 2 braincells
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ur literally cyberbullying
upper flicker
your being hostile and cyberbullying
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am not being hostile at all
finite wave
You are both cocksuckers
upper flicker
simmer down jan
heady spear
Wow jan stop being abusive or I’ll have to report you to the discord safety team
upper flicker
does the discord safety team actually do anything
upper flicker
It seemed like they were mostly just there to say "we have a safety team"
upper flicker
#LearnToCode
heady spear
Make sure to have no nsfw content outside of nsfw channels
upper flicker
wonder if that gets them as upset as it does at twitter
heady spear
Also don’t ridicule or mock people
Or you’ll be exterminated
It’s in the ToS. I’m telling you man, they’re everywhere.
upper flicker
the ToS says they're everywhere dont do it or youll be exterminated?
thats pretty hardcore for them
upper flicker
if we got rid of anyone who did any of those things there'd be no one in here
hell there'd be no one on discord
a community of gamers for gamers?
pfffft that's a ToS that melds well with them
heady spear
You also aren’t allowed to share hacks, chests or anything like that for games or other services
Which is pretty funny
I should report everyone that mentions plotsquared bugs, just to be safe.
heady spear
Stop harassing me
upper flicker
are they still doing that thing where guilds have to enforce discord's rules for them?
if so I have no choice but to ban you for distributing and discussing a hack
heady spear
You, as the owner of a verified guild, have to be more vigilant about keeping up with the community guidelines
Apparently they hold verified and partner guilds to a higher standard
I was notified about a lot of guilds just disappearing
upper flicker
I will send them an email asking about it
heady spear
Mostly because they had abusive members, think codevision
upper flicker
and then send them 50 follow ups
wide chasm
In my guild I have specified the Discord rules as well, because they said I had to enforce them
upper flicker
so I can actually get a reply
heady spear
But the guidelines and the tos are both pretty vague
I’ve actually started enforcing the rules over at intellectualsites lol
wide chasm
I just summed it up to this:
Do not harass or support harassment of others or other servers
Do not show any form of pornography
Do not share content that violates the DMCA
Do not post message promoting self-harm or suicide in any form of way
Do not post images of animal cruelty
Do not post messages that threathen other users
Do not post messages that leak other users private information
Do not encourage illegal activities
Do not post content that is sexually suggestive or violent
Do not post content that is meant to shame/degrade others
Do not distribute viruses or other malware```Self harm is explicitly mentioned in their documents too
How did you managed to get partnered, despite paper being a mod of an existing game?
cosmic raft
verified, not partnered
heady spear
I guess it’s pretty easy to argue that it’s standalone software and all tho
I meant verified lol
I’m tired, question still remains
cosmic raft
same way other guilds have, like spongepowered
heady spear
Ah. We’re already added to the OSS list. It does mention on that page that you can get one of those fancy invites and the verified badge
Thought it followed the same rules as normal verification
wide chasm
Paper, in the end, is standalone server software, so it's not a mod. (At least, that's what you then tell Discod people.)
heady spear
Which specifically states that modding communities won’t get verified
heady spear
Yup, was mostly wondering if you did something special
upper flicker
no
upper flicker
well yeah
its like they have a filter that needs you to send them like 5 before it lets it through
heady spear
You have to email them about everything tho
upper flicker
or they have zero filtering at all
heady spear
99 times
upper flicker
and to keep their attention you have to keep sending shit to stay at the top of the inbox
heady spear
They responded to me regarding another issue within 5 minutes, I responded within another 5 minutes, after that I haven’t heard squat lol
I think their entire team works out of the same office though
In which case I guess that makes sense as well. Time zones and shit.
acoustic pilot
heady spear
We are all entitled to our opinions 😃 I much respect yours.
vestal jasper
<3
heady spear
I hope you find happiness.
First of all, it’s kind of odd to push a gradle file in kotlin to the groovy project. I get why people questioned it, lol.
But he shouldn’t be treated like crap, just for not being a part of the groovy cult
vestal jasper
You attack me every day for less
heady spear
In a loving way 😗
vestal jasper
🤔
finite wave
City is a homosexual ❤️
heady spear
Ain’t we all
unreal quarry
No.
spice frigate
Yay name change got approved https://cdn.incog.dev/u/aMVRnW.png
cosmic raft
I have a class name ending in ParserFactorySupplier now.
slim nymph
GasBuddy M for sexual content? Wtf is there a secret where you can pickup a prostitute from gas station feature?
upper flicker
probably links to each station's site or shop or something
warm owl
void void
is there a way to limit max accounts per IP via paper or can I write something myself quickly? 😃
void void
its a shared cant do firewall, but ill write it myself then, just thought if it was implemented already
a question btw, i see many ppl who define their int outside instead of within the for loop (i.e int i=0; i < ...), is there like any advantage of doing that, i mean the compiler itself most likely does it either way?
like this
int x;
for (x = 0; x ...)
or is it just a preference?
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do that if you need the counter elsewhere outside the loop
acoustic pilot
Is it just Postgres that can return the whole inserted row in JDBC getGeneratedKeys() or can MySQL/MariaDB do that too?
Can't seem to get it working, so I assume not
No big deal I guess, MySQL will still return the auto generated ID and timestamps in getGeneratedKeys(), just not the whole row.
unreal quarry
getting tired of opening discord to be presented with that beautiful "please download update" dialog that forces me into a web browser to download a .deb and manually install it. so, i wrote this https://pastebin.com/eSrYZMsh ane put it as /usr/bin/discord so I can easily run it ^_^
i'm no shell scripter, so any pointers for improvement are welcome. it works, though
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write it in C
unreal quarry
why C?
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because C is the holy standard for all languages below it
unreal quarry
but that requires effort, and i'm lazy
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yeah but C
upper flicker
upper flicker
What am I looking at?
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.g shenandoah GC
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/shenandoah/Main -- Main - Shenandoah - OpenJDK Wiki: "Jan 21, 2019 ... Shenandoah GC Shenandoah is the low pause time garbage collector that reduces GC pause times by performing more garbage..."
jolly violet
keep up pussyboi
stiff yarrow
pearl ibex
@upper flicker Minecraft Windows 10 Edition for less than a dollar. :>
vestal jasper
Something must've changed since I last touched my plugins
Because things that weren't nullable before are suddenly nullable
I don't think I've ever seen this much red
I don't recall ever having a location that didn't have a world
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it can happen
spigot made changes that just spammed the everlasting fuck out of nullability annotations everywhere
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kotlin by design will complain about that
vestal jasper
Yeah I just wish these changes were made before I wrote entire plugins assuming they wouldn't be a thing
acoustic pilot
Should've used Java 😉
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:>
vestal jasper
Wait this is another change they've made mid revision
hell yeah
It doesn't break my already compiled plugins but I can't compile until it's all fixed
acoustic pilot
Sure you can, if you build against an older artifact.
vestal jasper
Yeah but I think I'll just fix it anyway
So in what case is Location#getWorld() null?
acoustic pilot
public Location(@Nullable final World world, final double x, final double y, final double z) {
When you pass it null.
Or when you explicitly setWorld() to null.
vestal jasper
I'll assume that I'll never experience that then since the plugin in question only deals with player locations
vestal jasper
Yeah I'll just assert that it's not null and hope it continues to work
acoustic pilot
If it should never be null, then yeah, can just throw a runtime exception of some sort, IllegalArgumentException or whatever.
vestal jasper
They also made it so I can't use Player#displayName for assignment. I have to use the setter method.
I can still use Player#displayName to get though
Not sure if this is a kotlin update change or they did something to change this behaviour
unreal quarry
pretty bad when you have to start specifying NMS remapping versions of the same version for your plugins lol https://i.imgur.com/Go2TQhp.png
tired locust
vestal jasper
Ah I see why they broke a bunch of setter synthesis
The setters are Nullable and getters are NotNull
Which prob fucks with things
vestal jasper
EMC?
slim nymph
my server
vestal jasper
Ah
slim nymph
I have a big fork of paper
my staging ground for paper patches 😛
my fork is what every other fork is modaled after now lol
vestal jasper
[INFO] BUILD SUCCESS
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Total time: 12.712 s
yeehaw
slim nymph
https://github.com/starlis/empirecraft/blob/master/patches/Timings-v2.1-Region-Timings.patch i wish I had time to finish this 😦
my wife is extreme introvert, rarely wants to leave house, but she wanted to go out for steaks tonight.. so we order, tell them she has an allergy to parsely. pretty rare allergy, but we asked and they said they no longer sprinkle it over everything anymore, said make sure no parseley on anything. she ordered steak with parm cheese crust and mac/cheese. it comes out with parsely in both items.... so manager comes out says its in the crumbs part and theyll do it without that, and takes it back to get it remade. comes back out, no crumbs.... but still notice damn parsely specs in the cheese portion :/ my wife eats well done steaks, so yeah this was already full on super long in, and didnt even want it at that point and wanted to get back home.
wide hazel
rip
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big yikes
void void
sounds like a great night 😐
cosmic raft
Restaurants really need to listen when people say to not include something due to allergies (or other reasons) - people can literally die.
acoustic pilot
The people with those kinds of allergies are already well aware and tend to exclude themselves from places already. It's really hard for a restaurant to avoid certain allergies 100%.
But that seemed like a simple request.
(I mean people with life-threatening allergies)
slim nymph
all we ask is for them to inform us 'hey, that item has parsley, and we can or can not make it special for you'
and not wait until its in front of us to find its wrong
i expect the cooks to know wtf they are making
acoustic pilot
Celiac isn't life-threatening
void void
diet coke is a scam just drink a water
acoustic pilot
If you have a life-threatening allergy, you better not depend on someone to prepare your food for you regardless.
But fortunately most are not life-threatening.
You'd be surprised how many "vegan" places cook on surfaces exposed to animal fats or gluten etc
spice frigate
Lol
cosmic raft
he's annoying
slim nymph
parsely is one you can work with at least. its a non essential item
slim nymph
its mainly an issue when its pre mixed into stuff, which is fine,we just need them to tell us that BEFORE we've waited 30+ mins for it to arrive
spice frigate
Fr though diet Coke can be worse then normal coke
slim nymph
sadly this is 2nd time in like past 2 months of having a dinner ruined by place not being able to get it out w/o parsely
spice frigate
Big oof
void void
this is making me very grateful for not having allergies
slim nymph
last time it was in the butter, so were like fine, dont put any of the butter on. they put the butter on
spice frigate
Same prplz
slim nymph
steaks is something you feel like should be able to get by w/ parsely restriction lol...
acoustic pilot
@void void At the very least you're probably lactose intolerant to some degree, most adults are, just varying degrees. Could be considered an allergy 😃
slim nymph
but so far both times been the issue
void void
yeah i lied, i'm intolerant to something i eat all the time but idk what
i should probably try figure that out
spice frigate
My body hates onions but fuck it i love em
vestal jasper
I have two command classes that are insanely similar
One produces this and the other doesn't
How have I managed this
acoustic pilot
I'm sure the error would explain how 😛
vestal jasper
There's no error
acoustic pilot
That usually prints a stack trace, when it happens.
vestal jasper
[18:16:19 INFO]: Sulfurias issued server command: /smute GarveyPreston
Is the last thing in my console
acoustic pilot
Seems very bad if your errors aren't showing. Might wanna figure out why that happens.
slim nymph
sounds like your fault for not using ACF 😛
vestal jasper
Honestly might use it
slim nymph
theres seriously no better framework out there over ACF lol
others might have other specific features, but the amount of shit ACF does for you 😛
acoustic pilot
Intake probably comes the closest, but yeah, seems to be a lack of decent libraries aside from ACF.
slim nymph
im not sure intake is close anymore. mapping input to parameters is just one of the core features
intake was the influence to the start of ACF years ago
and once i get my plans for full on custom annotation processors in, man things will take off
vestal jasper
I'll switch to it when I get around to refactoring things
slim nymph
goal is to provide lifecycle hooks
then you can register a custom annotation that lets you hook into various stages
stuff like @Cooldown
vestal jasper
I wish I could do
/nick <PlayerArgument> <GreedyStringArgument>
/nick <GreedyStringArgument>
with my current system
slim nymph
or one annotation that provides multiple other annotations
vestal jasper
But if I do that, in all cases, it goes with the second command handler
slim nymph
that one is tricky to support
vestal jasper
Aye
vestal jasper
I feel like that case has to be handled manually
Using suggestions instead of determinism
slim nymph
deterministic = you can look at input and know what params it maps to. in this case, you dont know if the first input word is a player name or not in your example
vestal jasper
Currently I do
/nick <PlayerArgument> <TextArgument>
/nick <TextArgument>
slim nymph
switches will help there
vestal jasper
requiring nick input being surrounded by ""
vestal jasper
Aye I'd like to switch to tag/switch based parsing but the lib I currently use doesn't allow for that
slim nymph
its planned for ACF
vestal jasper
I'm more fond of CoreProtect's formatting though
user:username time:10d rather than -user username -time 10d
nova badge
I had my own implementation of an ACF before ACF was a thing. lol
nova badge
Though your implementation might be better, need to give it a look.
I def don't have command completion support
slim nymph
@nova badge then you arent close to ACF 😛 completion is so rich in ACf
vestal jasper
Yeah there's no assurance that any field is there and in which order. Though order doesn't really matter a whole lot when parsed correctly.
vestal jasper
I'm not familiar enough with brigadier to know how easy that system is to be deterministic
slim nymph
acf also will integrate to brig for you
nova badge
Thats why I wanna give it a look, maybe convince the other devs to convert to it to save on modifications when we run into something we want
slim nymph
brig isnt thebest for actual usage
its actually kinda meh ImO
its about best you can do for non annotation style
but man its so messy
nova badge
is ACF a minecraft only port or plans on making it generic?
vestal jasper
You can do suggestions without brig can't you
Now that I think about it they're probably two separate things that work together when brig is used
slim nymph
its generic already
supports JDA, Bungee, Spigot, Sponge
you can do discord bot commands in ACF
slim nymph
whats your domain
austere ivy
Let's say I have a plugin called "myplugin"
should the top be
package com.outlook.tehbrian.myplugin;
or just package com.outlook.tehbrian;
because I feel like I've been doing packages wrong haha
vestal jasper
I do the former
austere ivy
eah
slim nymph
@Subcommand("assign|ass|a")
@CommandCompletion("@empires @empiremembers @empireroles")
@Description("Assigns a player a new role. Does not remove previous roles")
public void onRoleAssign(Player player, @Flags("perm=ADMIN") Empire empire, EmpireMember member, EmpireRole role) {
i can do /e role assign EMC <tab1> <tab2>
tab1 only lists members in the Empire tagged EMC, tab2 lists only roles in the EMC empire, and i could make it like @empireroles:doesnthave to only list ones the member doesnt even have
golden gust
The idea of packages is to prevent conflict with other libraries, etc
austere ivy
Is that right.. or should I be doing com.outlook.tehbrian.myplugin etc.
because I've been doing the latter
golden gust
So, adding the plugin name afterwards ensures that you're not going to conflict with anybody elses classes
austere ivy
okay good idea thanks.
golden gust
Did the orville air last night?
slim nymph
Are you making a bungee alternative
nova badge
No.
Programable clients for testing
Will the full pipeline instead of being server sided, to test networking too.
slim nymph
i know its not java, but youd save 98% of the work if you used node.js
all this has been done already
nova badge
Learning experience. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
but ya, I know its been done, but as of right now I know the most out of my team about how minecraft works internally and this project is helping me understand the protocol better.
gloomy sphinx
Has anyone looked at the code of the plugin react?
cosmic raft
the what
cloud dagger
acoustic pilot
multi-module + abstraction
fallen oracle
Is phpmyadmin going to be my best bet for modifying databases via browser? I was considering writing my own since I'm only working with 1 DB but idk if its Overkill
acoustic pilot
Probably, but why does it have to be in a browser
fallen oracle
I guess it doesn't have to be, I have a system for something that provides a message based on a parameter in php
I had planned in the future on my site to have like a changelog and I could just fill out a form to add in new changelogs and modify existing
acoustic pilot
Sounds like it doesn't matter then what you use to edit the database. So I'd avoid introducing something like phpMyAdmin, which is disgusting, anywhere near your system.
DataGrip or even MySQL Workbench would be preferred
austere ivy
AAAAAA
PlayerBedEnterEvent doesn't get thrown when a player is in the nether or end and it explodes, but it does in 1.13 and my plugin relies on it doing that.
WHY
acoustic pilot
You were relying on a bug?
fallen oracle
Yeah I was thinking I might be able to make my own little php system for it for that database, I guess I could do it, just didn't know if there was anything premade
austere ivy
That's the way it's intended to be.
But it does not throw it in 1.12
If it throwing it when a player is in nether or end is a bug, then 1.13 introduced a bug xD
What should I be using then, BlockExplodeEvent?
acoustic pilot
I think that gets fired for exploding beds, yes
slim nymph
outside of firewalling and whitelisting your desktop ip, remember if you can access your db with phpmyadmin over the web, so can a dedicated person willing to brute force it
austere ivy
Because no way am I going to if statement 16 different blocks.
slim nymph
@austere ivy MaterialTags.BEDS.contains(type)
paper only though
but you can copy the entire MaterialTags file into plugin
fallen oracle
Yeah I don't plan to install phpmyadmin to the world
static badge
could just do enumset if u rly want to
pulsar wigeon
spigot has tags too now
slim nymph
this.materials = Sets.newEnumSet(materials, Material.class);
pulsar wigeon
thought not as neatly
pulsar wigeon
oic
fallen oracle
I might just try to make my own php system for fun, idk. Do you just do everything by command line?
pulsar wigeon
didn't realize beds didn't have an actual tag
pulsar wigeon
ah, upcoming 1.14
slim nymph
but nms tags arent as performant as an enum map anyways 😛
pulsar wigeon
lol
slim nymph
our MaterialTags are fancy prebuilt enumsets for you
the code can actually be copied into a plugin
nothing server dependent
austere ivy
OK IS THIS HACKY
slim nymph
yep thats benefit of papers 😛 is let us maintain it
pulsar wigeon
lol
slim nymph
but for plugins that want to clean up code and support spigot
pulsar wigeon
well if you want to make it third party we can shade :P
but we need it for forge/sponge too anwyay
so rip
slim nymph
yeah well copying it out of our repo isnt much diff than using a artifact per mc ver and itll still be bukkit locked yeah
austere ivy
@EventHandler
public void onBedEnter(PlayerBedEnterEvent event) {
if (event.getPlayer().getWorld().getEnvironment() == World.Environment.NETHER || event.getPlayer().getWorld().getEnvironment() == World.Environment.THE_END) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
@EventHandler
public void onBlockExplode(BlockExplodeEvent event) {
if (event.getBlock().getType() == Material.BED_BLOCK) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
Right so if a bed explodes I don't want it to.
slim nymph
you need to check the type against the tags brian
austere ivy
So bedEnter on the top works only 1.13 because apparently PlayerBedEnterEvent only gets thrown if it explodes if it's 1.13
slim nymph
MaterialSet.BEDS.contains(event.getBlock().getType())
pulsar wigeon
if it doesn't work you might have to cancel interact btw
austere ivy
And the bottom should do 1.12?
pulsar wigeon
WG has cancelled interact for years because the server wouldn't throw any events at all
austere ivy
Aikar, needs to work on Spigot.
slim nymph
yeah we just cancel interact
pulsar wigeon
dunno if that's changed
slim nymph
why, isnt this your personal plugin
austere ivy
nope
static badge
so use an enumset
slim nymph
well fine make an enum set filled with all the beds
slim nymph
or, stop supporting shitty plugins
static badge
tough shit
pulsar wigeon
i mean you can still make it work
slim nymph
shitty environments*
austere ivy
Just 1.13 and 1.12
static badge
1.13 and 1.12 have a different material interface
austere ivy
So the one on the top which is this:
@EventHandler
public void onBedEnter(PlayerBedEnterEvent event) {
if (event.getPlayer().getWorld().getEnvironment() == World.Environment.NETHER || event.getPlayer().getWorld().getEnvironment() == World.Environment.THE_END) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
or fine .getType().contains("BED") lol
austere ivy
covers 1.13, and doesn't break 1.12
slim nymph
bedrock >_>
void void
endswith _BED
austere ivy
¯_(ツ)_/¯
acoustic pilot
endsWith() maybe
pulsar wigeon
bedrock aint exploding anyway?
austere ivy
and so that's done for 1.13
slim nymph
public static final MaterialSetTag BEDS = new MaterialSetTag(keyFor("beds")) .endsWith("_BED")
austere ivy
so I just need to do 1.12
slim nymph
is what we use for paper
static badge
or use a module system if you want to support both versions
you're going to have to end up using a module system if you want something that isn't a heaping pile of fucking cancer when you're done
acoustic pilot
Yeah modularizing it is probably the proper approach and sets you up in the future to properly support multiple versions
austere ivy
OK so 1.13 is covered.
slim nymph
or stop supporting multi versions/spigot. RALLY TO RESTORE SANITY AND OR NOT FEAR
austere ivy
If I try to check an enum against another enum but the enum doesn't exist in the other version will it break?
static badge
use a module system
austere ivy
because if not
@EventHandler
public void onBlockExplode(BlockExplodeEvent event) {
if (event.getBlock().getType() == Material.BED_BLOCK) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
stop this bullshit fucking hackery
austere ivy
that could work.
slim nymph
WELCOME TO 1.13!
austere ivy
for 1.12 and below.
acoustic pilot
You keep asking questions that have already been answered: MULTI MODULE SYSTEM
austere ivy
it's not hackery.
slim nymph
trying to support both sucks
austere ivy
OK HOW DO I DO IT BYTEFLUX
static badge
it is garbage hackery
any code that does garbage hackery like that deserves to be burned
acoustic pilot
I'm not going to teach you how to set up a multi-module project, but not like this is rocket science.
vestal jasper
Leaves should be burned
austere ivy
@EventHandler
public void onBedEnter(PlayerBedEnterEvent event) {
if (event.getPlayer().getWorld().getEnvironment() == World.Environment.NETHER || event.getPlayer().getWorld().getEnvironment() == World.Environment.THE_END) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
@EventHandler
public void onBlockExplode(BlockExplodeEvent event) {
if (event.getBlock().getType() == Material.BED_BLOCK) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
Boom.
Not hackery.
First does 1.13 and definitely doesn't break 1.12
And second does 1.12 because enums are fine for checking if they're not.. a thing in the version.
.. I'm gonna try it ._.
static badge
what api variant are you on...?
austere ivy
It's a one class plugin. I don't need like modules or anything..
slim nymph
just always use bottom one and use strings on the type
static badge
1.12?
slim nymph
and if your going through this masochism, you better be getting paid
gloomy sphinx
can you add 1.7.10 support !!!!!!!!!!!
stable oriole
That crosses the line...
steep glade
stable oriole
Welcome
cosmic raft
Who wants to count to ten?
1.0, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 2.03, 2.10, 2.11, 3.0, 3.1, NT 3.1, 3.11, 3.2, NT 3.5, NT 3.51, 95, NT 4.0, 98, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10
austere ivy
Poor guy I'm not going to get paid for a one class plugin xD
static badge
2000
austere ivy
NO. SHOOT.
@EventHandler
public void onBlockExplode(BlockExplodeEvent event) {
if (event.getBlock().getType().toString().endsWith("_BED")) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
``` it is!good grief
austere ivy
How would you recommend doing it then, Spotted?
static badge
I've already stated, using a module system
or just giving no flying fucks about 1.12
static badge
modules then :>
austere ivy
my poor little computer trying to do testing for the 1.13 side of the plugin almost died when it generated the nether
1.12 was fine though ¯_(ツ)_/¯
static badge
yeah it's called 1.13 is trash for server perf
austere ivy
Spotted, I don't think you understand how tiny this plugin is.
public final class Main extends JavaPlugin implements Listener {
@Override
public void onEnable() {
getServer().getPluginManager().registerEvents(this, this);
}
@EventHandler
public void onBedEnter(PlayerBedEnterEvent event) {
if (event.getPlayer().getWorld().getEnvironment() == World.Environment.NETHER || event.getPlayer().getWorld().getEnvironment() == World.Environment.THE_END) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
@EventHandler
public void onBlockExplode(BlockExplodeEvent event) {
if (event.getBlock().getType().toString().endsWith("_BED")) {
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
}
That is literally it.
austere ivy
If I make "modules" I am liter-- oh
hey that's not too bad of an idea.
I'd basically just be making two fancy eventhandler wrappers though ._.
static badge
problem is with that cancer is that's not scalable at all
and is basically the module system.
so if you think that's good then get fucked because it's basically modules
baited ✅ not baited ❎
austere ivy
hmm
or maybe
just 🖐 to 1.12
that's a wave
wave goodbye
👋
OK this better work.
Oh yeah guys, did you see? The new snapshot, you can sneak and go under slabs.
Your player hitbox goes to 1.5 blocks which means some cool stuff can happen in the future with that :D
it doesn't work
goodbye 1.12
👋
coarse urchin
ok
vapid ivy
ancient bolt
You need to prove to me you are a swifty
@upper flicker I know I'm about to ruin it
But...
no freezes so far in cinnamon
seems like doing a clean insteall has helped
orchid pelican
gosh why do people want a protfolio of spigot plugins
like how do i get a picture of a plugin i make that doesnt visualize anything lol
stiff yarrow
@cosmic raft but you forgot the dopest version 98 SE
orchid pelican
O hey that claiming thing i showed you is done and in prod
stiff yarrow
orchid pelican
Honestly though like what do i show people if everything I have done so far is closed source lol
stiff yarrow
whats the context
acoustic pilot
I think I drink too much wine, like 10 bottles a month (~2 glasses a night). But it's cheap California wine, like $10/bottle lol.
stiff yarrow
@orchid pelican applying for what position? minecraft dev? real job?
ancient bolt
lol wat
orchid pelican
and im a decent developer
ancient bolt
minecraft dev doesn't pay
orchid pelican
it does actually
ancient bolt
if it did we'd be fucking balling
orchid pelican
working for a server does pay
ancient bolt
yeah, if that server is hypixel
orchid pelican
not necessarily
vestal jasper
inb4 he's going to be hired for hypixel
orchid pelican
minigame servers are decently profitable lol
molten rivet
acoustic pilot
Ignore DemonWav, he has no clue about the MC job market.
I work for a server and get paid decently and it isn't Hypixel.
I know of plenty of other servers that pay well, and devs who get paid well.
cosmic raft
hypepickle
ancient bolt
he has no clue about the MC job market.
orchid pelican
Im still in highschool and have a LOT of freetime and just need something to do and would also liked to get paid
ancient bolt
it's more like I think it's all silly and dumb
acoustic pilot
Good for you.
The rest of us who have MC jobs making decent money don't give a shit.
orchid pelican
haha
ancient bolt
ewww dirty money
vestal jasper
You have it set to M for mini
orchid pelican
@acoustic pilot so like what did you show them when they asked for your previous projects and such
vestal jasper
You need to set it to W for wumbo
acoustic pilot
I sold my server and was brought on board as a developer.
ancient bolt
probably different for byteflux since he operates a server
yeah
well i suppose operated
acoustic pilot
By someone who is more successful than me at running servers
And actually offers fair pay
That's probably the big issue, not many servers are going to offer fair pay.
Really need to be looking at 1000-2000 player networks for that.
ancient bolt
someone mentioned github, that's probably a good bet
if you have a good portfolio of actual code you've written for minecraft projects, that's what they want to see
or non-minecraft related
acoustic pilot
Doesn't hurt to build a public portfolio, yeah
ancient bolt
just java is fine too
acoustic pilot
Open source is a great way to do that.
ancient bolt
I'm a successful senior software engineering consultant now largely due to my open source work
orchid pelican
I havnt OSS my projects yet as they are kinda for my server atm
i do run a small server
key is small
stiff yarrow
damn byte hook a brother up
gloomy sphinx
there are tons of small servers (50+ players) that pay part time devs
stiff yarrow
quit being a bitch and OSS your stuff chase 
orchid pelican
imagine making a custom claiming plugin for a 20 player top server lol
story of my life
ancient bolt
doesn't matter the size
acoustic pilot
The size of the server isn't so much important if you're showcasing something open source.
ancient bolt
if it's good code, that works
orchid pelican
I dont know if it is good code
I am definetly a better developer than when i started it
ancient bolt
upload it and we can glance at it
acoustic pilot
The only time server size is going to matter is if you work for a big server and you get a good reference from the owner of that server.
ancient bolt
if you want
orchid pelican
I was trying to split it up into multiple modules and such but it just wasnt worth it at the time
whats your githubusername?
ancient bolt
DemonWav..
cosmic raft
what is the obsession with everyone creating "server cores"
acoustic pilot
kash, I'm making a "server core" right now lol
gloomy sphinx
it sounds cool
acoustic pilot
for my hobby server
orchid pelican
ive made a server core
acoustic pilot
it's just a cross-server plugin framework
gloomy sphinx
paper is my server core
red halo
the core of ur server
limber knotBOT
acoustic pilot
usually just a core plugin on which your other plugins depend on
orchid pelican
like main serverf funtonality
acoustic pilot
like a framework and core functionality
orchid pelican
gosh now i feel like if i add DemonWav your ganan rip into my core
ancient bolt
i see
acoustic pilot
that core functionality might contain things like ban management
ancient bolt
idk anything about writing code
orchid pelican
HAHA
ancient bolt
idk what you're talking about
gloomy sphinx
demonwav will rip you a new one