@cerulean marsh U should keep the domain for a few years
#general
finite wave
worn ember
tf do i know
austere ivy
Just point where.
worn ember
i'm no bioligist
finite wave
Second trimester
austere ivy
Tell me where it's a human and it's OK to kill them.
cerulean marsh
I will keep it. or until md_5 pays me plus unbans me + apologizes to me
acoustic pilot
Was it $12 or did it have a premium price?
cosmic raft
mfw he banned for it
unreal quarry
how much you want for it? i might buy it from you just to keep it
limber knotBOT
TehBrian, I don't know if you know anyone who got an abortion, but I have two friends who got thru that. Its not fun. but it was their choice to do it because the alternative would be a ruined life. who are you to take their choice away from them?
finite wave
Rather cheap i think @acoustic pilot
acoustic pilot
"spigot" is a dictionary word so it may have had a premium price tag.
austere ivy
At second trimester, your baby already has hair.
That's right, at second trimester they can move.
limber knotBOT
I am not a biologist, I said in germany its ok till week 12 or 14 or smth and I am ok with that
austere ivy
That's their choice, zbk.
heady spear
It is quite irresponsible to have a kid if you don't have the means to provide for it
worn ember
I mean, if you want a kid to live in poverty its entire life cuz the mom cant pay for anything because she had to drop out because she had a baby
austere ivy
If they want to go in the adoption process, then that's their choice.
worn ember
great choice
acoustic pilot
Can't wait until society moves beyond abortion, and into cloning controversies lol
heady spear
At that point you are relying on society to take care of your kid. How the fuck is that the moral choice?
austere ivy
Dark, there's plenty of couples that try and try and they can't have children, and are fully willing to adopt.
heady spear
Don't have kids unless you are willing and able to take proper care of them.
worn ember
"couples"
austere ivy
If you don't have the ability to provide for your child, don't have sex.
It's that simple.
cerulean marsh
The domain was $16, but not anymore. I own it, and I will sell it for a premium price. 😛
limber knotBOT
and there are many many childs who never get adopted
austere ivy
There are Mini.
worn ember
what if you get ditched on the street
austere ivy
But I'm sure they're living a better life than being killed before they saw daylight.
worn ember
well they wont know at least
austere ivy
Oh right.
acoustic pilot
@cerulean marsh Cool, was just wondering what it renewed at since it's a dictionary word. Sounds cheap.
limber knotBOT
its just a bag of chells 🤷♂️
heady spear
Yes, cause being in foster care until you're an adult is such a great life.
austere ivy
So children kept in sexually abusive homes where they're kept in a dark room for their entire life to be sold when they hit puberty is also ok?
limber knotBOT
its like killing a worm
austere ivy
Because "well they don't know it at least?"
heady spear
You have clearly not experienced that
austere ivy
Is that your logic?
worn ember
hows that even related
unreal quarry
fun fact: most pregnancies throughout history were indeed not planned. planned pregnancies are things that people that have trouble getting pregnant do
cerulean marsh
ik ^^
finite wave
@unreal quarry That what was Jordan Peterson said
cerulean marsh
anyone got any idea of what I Should do with spigot.dev now?
md_5 isn't about to buy it
worn ember
^^
finite wave
Back in the day a pregnancy meant a marriage
heady spear
If your parents a) don't want you, b) can't take care of you, you are going to have a pretty fucking miserable childhood. This is speaking from someone who has moved from foster home to foster home
cerulean marsh
There is a paper link in there tho
acoustic pilot
@cerulean marsh Promote Paper, create as many backlinks as possible to increase SEO, which in turn promotes Paper even more.
worn ember
@finite wave but you couldnt have sex before marriage
austere ivy
City.
Would you rather be killed and never got to experience life rather than be where you are now?
cerulean marsh
any chance paper's owner is interested in it?
finite wave
@cerulean marsh Make it go onto spigotmc and post as the cached user. Then redirect to paper
austere ivy
Would you personally have wish you were killed?
limber knotBOT
see, you don't kill anything
heady spear
It is already to late at this point, lol? No one aborts kids when they're 20
unreal quarry
@worn ember if you think people really waited until marriage, youre painfully wrong. ^_^
finite wave
Nah @upper flicker Prolly isnt
limber knotBOT
there is no consciousness
austere ivy
City.
heady spear
that argument makes no fucking sense, what the fuck lol
austere ivy
If you were aborted, you wouldn't have gotten that choice.
worn ember
@unreal quarry ofc not, it was a yoke
heady spear
Yeah no shit
austere ivy
I'm pro-choice, with the people who have their own life having that choice.
heady spear
But it doesn't matter, as it has already been 20 years
unreal quarry
we should abort leaf
austere ivy
And again, even if you wish you were killed, there are other people who wouldn't wish that and would've rather been able to live and grow up.
hold up Billy
what'd you just say?
ok forget what I said I'm pro-abortion
just for leaf
❤
heady spear
They can't wish shit at that point
austere ivy
How do you know that?
worn ember
Just bring the child on the world and make it be miserable for its entire life until its suicides @austere ivy
heady spear
You're comparing adults to a fucking fetus
limber knotBOT
gotta protect the holy life!!!!
austere ivy
I'm saying that it's a human life with the ability to live and experience love and happiness
acoustic pilot
I think it would be easier to find middle ground in the more egregious situations like rape victims being forced to give birth to the child of their rapist. The problem here is that pro-lifers are furiously opposed to social safety nets in general, which includes things like the foster care system, child healthcare etc
austere ivy
And it's not your choice to strip them from that
heady spear
I am saying I wouldn't wish this shit on anyone. Do I regret it? No. Would I want someone else to go through it? No.
austere ivy
Byte, and those are bad people.
heady spear
they don't even have the fucking choice, you can't chose what family you're born into
finite wave
Now everyone let’s stop this. We are not a Philosophy guild
heady spear
How is it not my choice if I want to bring a kid into shitty conditions?
austere ivy
I can't force you to do something.
heady spear
That's what we're trying to prevent
worn ember
@finite wave this is a civil conversations shh
austere ivy
No. I'm not talking about that. No no no.
I'm just not okay with forcing a child to commit suicide.
finite wave
So, anyone for some good books for C?/memory
unreal quarry
@cerulean marsh you should make a paper plugin repository on that domain. something like ore, but without stupid rules
austere ivy
riiight
worn ember
it has no conciousness
austere ivy
That isn't a child?
New york legalized that.
They're all proud of it. Third trimester abortions.
You're okay with that?
heady spear
So you are okay with parents willingly bringing kids into the world when they're not capable to take care of them?
finite wave
Maybe
heady spear
When they're not capable of giving the child a good life?
limber knotBOT
let new york do whatever they want, I say 12-14 week is ok
heady spear
That seems like a pretty shitty thing to do.
austere ivy
City, I'm okay with parents with the four choices. Abstinence, contraception, adoption, motherhood
Again, it's not their choice to decide if the child dies or not.
quasi valley
tbh governments/schools do literally nothing to inform you even a tiny little bit about birth control
limber knotBOT
it is tho
worn ember
but it is
unreal quarry
first tri is ok im my book. 2nd is questionable, but whatever, i'll allow it. 3rd should be for medical/extreme circumstancial reasons only. but thats just me
limber knotBOT
its the mothers body
austere ivy
So you're saying that it's okay for my mother to kill me?
heady spear
After you're born? no
limber knotBOT
if you life inside of her body, yes.
heady spear
Before you're developed? yes
austere ivy
Billy, the majority, the HIGH MAJORITY of 3rd trimester abortions are not for medical reasons.
ZBK, the little hole you come through doesn't magically "make you a human"
What about c-sections?
Are they still not humans?
worn ember
Its the mother that bears the child so its her choice whether it lives or not
austere ivy
Doesn't matter where you are, you're still a human.
heady spear
Are you against masturbation then? That is wasting potential life
limber knotBOT
not in the first trimester ;)
static badge
we still on abortion?
austere ivy
Again, nope.
worn ember
lmao
worn ember
save the semen!
acoustic pilot
@heady spear The way I think pro-lifers see masturbation is that life starts with a fertilized egg.
austere ivy
Because if you put semen into a cup it isn't going to become a life.
Semen cannot become a human life.
Only sex can.
heady spear
that's hypocrisy.
austere ivy
But it's not a life.
limber knotBOT
thats not true :D
heady spear
You are wasting the potential to create life.
austere ivy
I'm not okay with killing a life.
austere ivy
I just said
heady spear
you're not even making sense at this point
worn ember
but you're killing millions of potential lives
austere ivy
Semen cannot become a human life. Only sex can.
heady spear
.... yes?
limber knotBOT
thats not true brian
heady spear
which is false wth
limber knotBOT
Assisted reproductive technology ;)
unreal quarry
hey brian, do you consider blowjobs as canibalism?
worn ember
^
limber knotBOT
you need an egg but not sex ;)
worn ember
what if i cum in an egg?
austere ivy
I consider life to be the moment that an egg and sperm meet and go to the side of the uterus, and start developing.
That's life.
limber knotBOT
its just a cell tho
austere ivy
And no one else has the right to kill it.
heady spear
You have pretty low standards of life then
limber knotBOT
smaller than a bacteria
worn ember
what if it dies in the womb? then its not life, then its death
austere ivy
Listen.
If everything goes right, and it's uninterrupted, it will become a fully functioning human.
austere ivy
If you put semen, or eggs, into a cup for ages, days, you still won't create a life.
limber knotBOT
yes it can become a human
limber knotBOT
but the mother decided not to let it become a human ;)
heady spear
you said fully functioning
worn ember
or a physical handicap, and cant do shit its entire life and is a plant
austere ivy
And if you've ever seen Special Books by Special Kids, you'd know they're still fully functioing humans too.
worn ember
you really want that to be your life?
unreal quarry
so.... what youre saying is... if a scientist injects a sperm into an egg in a test tube, and then accidentally drops it... he's commited murder?
austere ivy
Dark, you don't know that.
worn ember
would you rather live that life or be death?
heady spear
a handicap means that it isn't fully functioning
cerulean marsh
@unreal quarry you should make a paper plugin repository on that domain. something like ore, but without stupid rules
Can you show me an example?
heady spear
Yes Billy, egg + sperm = life
limber knotBOT
.g ore github sponge
austere ivy
It's a human.
unreal quarry
@cerulean marsh look at sponge's ore
limber knotBOT
(MiniDigger) https://github.com/SpongePowered/Ore -- GitHub - SpongePowered/Ore: Repository software for Sponge...: "Repository software for Sponge plugins and Forge mods - SpongePowered/Ore."
cerulean marsh
ore?
austere ivy
That's what matters.
limber knotBOT
host that ^
limber knotBOT
austere ivy
Fully functioning?
ehhhh
do we have the right to kill him since he's not fully functioning?
no.
heady spear
Yes
cerulean marsh
A package repository?
acoustic pilot
I am actually willing to concede that a fertilized egg is the start of life. But I'm also a proponent of painless mercy killings.
acoustic pilot
e.g. euthanasia, abortion
austere ivy
You're not the one who never gets to experience life.
You don't have that choice.
Would you have rather your mother killed you? Painless?
limber knotBOT
its funny how backwards conservatives think
austere ivy
So you never got to experience it?
heady spear
But you have the choice to give the kid a horrible childhood? Got it.
austere ivy
Who the hell said I was a conservative?
acoustic pilot
I see abortion as a painless mercy killing, yes.
limber knotBOT
who the hell said I meant you?
static badge
oh yeah now it's getting spicy
austere ivy
Who the hell are you talking about then?
limber knotBOT
if you are attacked by that, thats all on you ;)
austere ivy
But yes I am a conservative :>
wide chasm
Guys, wait, I don't have my popcorn yet.
worn ember
i'll have to abort you
acoustic pilot
If the child isn't going to have a chance at a good life, for whatever reason, aborting it early is a valid option, methinks.
austere ivy
It isn't your choice.
finite wave
@wide chasm I accidently somehow started a debate that led to this
austere ivy
It all boils down to, it isn't your choice.
heady spear
You don't have the choice to abort the pregnancy? but you're still choosing to bring a life into the world. My problem is still with parents knowingly doing this while knowing fully well they won't take proper care of the kid. Thus forcing the kid into suffering. That is cruel. And you're fully okay with that?
acoustic pilot
Well, clearly in some places it is indeed the mother's choice.
quasi valley
dont just hang on that "not your decision" thing, then you could be part of the "dont registrate a baby's gender before they havent decided themselves"
unreal quarry
have any of you actually had an abortion, or stopped one? or are you just speaking all willy nilly and never been put in the situation?
worn ember
who's choice is it then? a lumb of cells?
unreal quarry
yes. i've stopped 2, and allowed 2
limber knotBOT
do you know ppl who had an abortion?
austere ivy
But I say you have the responsibility to not have sex, or use contraceptives, and you know the risks.
heady spear
I was with my friend when she got her abortion, and when she made the choice to.
austere ivy
And it's not your choice.
worn ember
@unreal quarry one fertile boi
austere ivy
It's not your choice to decide whether a human life lives or dies.
It's not your choice.
limber knotBOT
its often the last resort, ppl don't do that because its fun, lol
quasi valley
dont just hang on that "not your decision" thing, then you could be part of the "dont registrate a baby's gender before they havent decided themselves"
heady spear
She was in high school and would have had no way to provide for the kid
heady spear
So she decided to terminate the pregnancy.
limber knotBOT
it is tho
worn ember
lmao
quasi valley
it is very much her choice
limber knotBOT
and luckly the law in most countries protect that choice
austere ivy
It is not her choice, and that's how we disagree.
acoustic pilot
For a discussion on abortion, it's been surprisingly civil. Let's remember not to let this get out of hand.
heady spear
"You don't have the choice to abort the pregnancy? but you're still choosing to bring a life into the world. My problem is still with parents knowingly doing this while knowing fully well they won't take proper care of the kid. Thus forcing the kid into suffering. That is cruel. And you're fully okay with that?"
This point again, then.
static badge
please get it out of hand 🍿
heady spear
You are choosing to inflict suffering onto a human being
austere ivy
(except for spotted I was just joking <3)
normal echo
🖐
heady spear
and you are still seemingly okay with that
austere ivy
I'm just attacking the philosophies you have.
worn ember
I feel attacked.
heady spear
would she have given birth to the kid, both her and the kid would have had horrible lives
austere ivy
Right, again, and that's their responsibility and I believe it is very wrong to bring a child into a world where you don't have the ability to provide.
acoustic pilot
I don't think I've seen any ad hominem yet, which is good.
austere ivy
But again, doesn't matter.
heady spear
What about rape?
austere ivy
It's not her choice.
I already talked about rape.
I said, while one thing, a horrible thing, a terrible thing that should never happen, happened, it does not give you the right to commit another horrible thing.
heady spear
good for you
austere ivy
Why is killing a pregnant woman considered a double homocide?
limber knotBOT
its not a horrible thing tho
wide chasm
TehBrian, could you explain how getting an abortion is different form not getting pregnant? Cause in both cases no human gets born.
unreal quarry
@austere ivy i used to be like you. i was against the idea of abortions growing up. then i was put in the situation where i had to make that choice for real. i can tell you, things look differently then
worn ember
so if i put a child in your gf (which i wont do btw) you'd be okay with her giving life to that?
austere ivy
Again, I said, while one thing, a horrible thing, a terrible thing that should never happen, happened, it does not give you the right to commit another horrible thing.
.
limber knotBOT
its not a horrible thing tho
heady spear
But someone else has the right to bring that life into the world?
quasi valley
finite wave
Still going?
vestal jasper
Is masturbation also murder? I mean. Those cells are living.
quasi valley
by that logic you can also not decide to actually bring life, you didnt leave them any chance to decide
worn ember
@vestal jasper we went over that already
vestal jasper
Rip
heady spear
no vic, according to him it's only life once an egg is involved
vestal jasper
But cells are by definition living
limber knotBOT
killing a baby would be a horrible thing, killing a lumb of cells isn't. if the lumb of cells develops into an unboarn baby, its no longer ok. but you had plenty of time to make that choice before that.
unreal quarry
^ bam
worn ember
Amen
unreal quarry
hit the nail right on the head
static badge
lumb
worn ember
i agree with that
limber knotBOT
thats really all there needs to be said
heady spear
what if you know beforehand that the kid will be born with a terminal condition, and choose to terminate the pregnancy beforehand?
limber knotBOT
now you only need to define when it becomes an unborn baby, german sets it to 14 weeks iirc and you are done
heady spear
if you have the kid, then you are willingly killing a kid
heady spear
It isn't that different from bringing a kid into horrible conditions though.
Only that one of the scenarios happens to be medical
limber knotBOT
take a look at the table on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law
heady spear
If you're okay with one, why not the other?
If you are against both, what the hell is wrong with you?
vestal jasper
What if they used a condom and it broke? They made the decision to not have a baby.
There's a 2% failure chance for a condom.
I get the feeling someone will argue "don't have sex except to procreate" though.
limber knotBOT
it defins multiple different reasons
unreal quarry
theres always exceptions, city. medical and extreme circumstances are ok in my book
austere ivy
@wide chasm , the hole you come through when you're born doesn't magically make you "a human." What about c-sections? You're still a human. Just because of where you are doesn't invalidate your life.
@worn ember that is rape, and you should be punished as that was a crime, but I still believe it's a life and yes she should give birth and do something else with it, rather than murdering it.
@vestal jasper again, I've said this before, that isn't an actual life. Life is when an egg and sperm touch and it hits the uterus' wall. If left uninterrupted and everything goes right, no malfunctions, that will eventually become a full human life. Please, do an experiment, put semen, or put just eggs, into a cup for 9 months and I highly doubt that a human life will ever come form that. Again, But cells are by definition living that's a lot different. It's not a human life. If you go to that, then technically everything is living, plants, worms, all organisms.
@vernal moth, then where on this chart is it OK to murder a human life?
heady spear
I don't think you should have kids unless you are willing and able to provide for them until they turn 18.
That's final.
Anything else is cruel.
olive garden
Hello civilized people
heady spear
"do something else with it" it's a fucking human life you orange
you don't just yeet kids away
that's worse than abortion
austere ivy
@heady spear that's not your choice, again, even if the child is born with a terminal condition, that doesn't give you the right to murder it beforehand and not let it experience any of life. Is it okay to kill someone whose on a hospital bed with a terminal illness? No, that's their choice.
vestal jasper
You're arguing against scientific definitions and using your own to fit your argument.
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.```the hypocrisy is insane
limber knotBOT
TheBrian, I am 100% ok with murdering a unborn child, even in the last weeks of pregancy, to protect the mothers live and health
austere ivy
@heady spear, I also agree with that, which is why
ABSTINENCE is a choice I fully support.
AND DON'T SAY "oh wow it's 14th century stupid garbage"
limber knotBOT
you sound like the pope
heady spear
that is some 14th century stupid garbage though
austere ivy
My entire family was abstinent, my married sister, my mother, my friends, all abstinent.
It's a choice.
limber knotBOT
cool
heady spear
as we have made technical advancements that allow for safe abortions
worn ember
@olive garden hello my favorite Hungarian friend.
austere ivy
City.
unreal quarry
vouche. sex is fun
austere ivy
There's no "safe" murdering someone.
heady spear
Good fucking thing I prefer dick then
then I can have moral sex
oh wait, that's not right either because sky daddy hates the gays
limber knotBOT
I think you can only support abstinence if you never had good sex 😂
wide chasm
@austere ivy That doesn't answer what the difference is between getting an abortion and not getting pregnant. With not getting pregnant nothing happens, with getting an aboriton you're removing some cells. In neither situation is anyone killing a human and in both are you not letting a potential baby experience life.
acoustic pilot
Abstinence is ridiculous. Should not be seriously considered or taught ever.
Teenage libido shouldn't be suppressed, they should be having sex amongst each other at that age.
They should be taught how to do it safely.
limber knotBOT
they still do teach that in murica in some staates, right?
acoustic pilot
Abstinence is still taught in many parts of the US, yeah.
austere ivy
@unreal quarry, drugs are also fun, but they all come with responsibility. Abortion is all about absolving the responsibility, and yes, while there is rape which is a different case (but abortion is still not okay) it's still a responsibility when it's consensual sex.
limber knotBOT
I first had sex ed in grade 4
austere ivy
Stef.
limber knotBOT
at the age of 11 or smth
woven otter
this is a lovely conversation
austere ivy
Just tell me where, please.
unreal quarry
@austere ivy i didnt find drugs fun..
vestal jasper
That image is not legible
austere ivy
@unreal quarry, some people do.
quasi valley
Are your thoughts on killing animals the same or different?
austere ivy
Point, Vicarious.
limber knotBOT
Brian, it says right there, before the fetal period ;)
austere ivy
Where is it suddenly a magical human life?
heady spear
some drugs are fun
austere ivy
OK, so you support abortion when it has arms, legs, eyes, a face?
heady spear
not the ones that fuck up your life
olive garden
I personally believe it is okay to end a human being's life if all of its close contacts, so the people who know about her/him agree that it should be done.
heady spear
and sex for sure doesn't fuck up your life
austere ivy
City, and those drugs still come with a responsibility, like any other.
heady spear
comparing sex to drugs is just... insane.
olive garden
So yes, I support an abortion when it has arms, legs, eyes, a face.
quasi valley
@olive garden that is probably the worst principle you could take
finite wave
Still going?
austere ivy
City, if you have a child when you can't support it, yes sex can mess up your life.
austere ivy
OK Trigary.
wide chasm
@austere ivy Hard to say, but I'd say at the very least the first ten weeks it isn't a human. But I personally judge life by different things than "how the baby looks" (there is more text, but that's too small for me to read).
heady spear
but you are okay with having kids that you can't support
olive garden
@quasi valley Maybe, but I'm open to changes
limber knotBOT
yeah, we are comparing drugs to sex now @finite wave
heady spear
we've been over that like 5 times already
austere ivy
@olive garden So if my entire family says that it's ok to kill me it's alright?
heady spear
you'd rather have the kid be born than to terminate the pregnancy
finite wave
I see Minidigger the usual
austere ivy
@heady spear I already said, yes. I would rather the kid be born than murdered.
unreal quarry
sex can be a drug
limber knotBOT
cool
olive garden
@austere ivy No, your friends and the other people who know you also have to agree
heady spear
ergo, you are okay with bringing kids into horrible conditions
unreal quarry
very addictive
austere ivy
@olive garden I personally believe it is okay to end a human being's life if all of its close contacts, so the people who know about her/him agree that it should be done.
static badge
is this shit still going on
limber knotBOT
majortiy disagress with your stance, I think we can stop now
heady spear
Why the fuck would you use that as an argument then?
austere ivy
So if all my friends and people who know me agree for me to die, then it's ok?
tropic flame
so, an abortion discussion right now?
limber knotBOT
thanfully your mindset is a mindset of the past
heady spear
You are contradicting yourself left and right :<
olive garden
Yes. If everyone who knows you believes that you should be dead, you should probably be dead.
austere ivy
City, I'm saying killing someone is a worse condition than being in a foster care system and eventually living a happy life, just like you. Somewhat happy, I suppose.
limber knotBOT
since we are sane human being now and we don't fight progress in medical stuff
austere ivy
Still better than getitng murdered.
OK Trigary, that's nice.
I disagree, Trigary.
I feel a human life should have every right to live.
vestal jasper
"Eventually living a happy life"
You mean POSSIBLY living a happy life
quasi valley
@olive garden exactly that would be VERY bad if you had parents/friends that are super religious
limber knotBOT
early. abortion. is. not. murder.
austere ivy
What if I was trapped in a room when I was born, the only person I know was an abusive person who kidnapped me.
vestal jasper
there's no 100% chance they'll be happy
just with any other life
limber knotBOT
how is that so hard to understand
olive garden
@quasi valley Fair point
austere ivy
Is it OK then, Trigary?
tropic flame
well I don't wanna interrupt but I believe that if both parents don't have the financial condition to keep the child then they should be able to request an abortion, since who's gonna suffer the consequences is not just the parents but mostly the child itself
unreal quarry
masterbation is genocide
tropic flame
have fun, i gotta go take a shower
unreal quarry
runs
olive garden
No, let me iterate on this
austere ivy
@vestal jasper, that is correct.
@unreal quarry, I've already said multiple times it's not a life. If you put semen into a cup for 9 months you will not get a human life.
heady spear
I am very happy. My thyroid is fucked up. I have anxiety, depression and PTSD. My mom has tried to kill me several times. She is now trying to steal my identity
my dad is an alcoholic
austere ivy
@tropic flame it's not their choice either way.
woven otter
@unreal quarry you're a masterbaiter
heady spear
Awesome shit, dude.
wide chasm
@austere ivy At which point do you actually consider something a human life? In the first week already?
placid plover
acoustic pilot
He said when the egg is fertilized.
olive garden
Maybe what I said only applies to people who can't talk AND are below the average age where people start to talk
austere ivy
@heady spear, I'm sorry to hear that since that sounds really sucky but that doesn't mean that your mother gets the option to kill you "just because" it's her choice. It's not her choice.
heady spear
"well I don't wanna interrupt but I believe that if both parents don't have the financial condition to keep the child then they should be able to request an abortion, since who's gonna suffer the consequences is not just the parents but mostly the child itself"
Exactly, Logics4. But he's fully okay with willingly bringing a kid into the world despite knowing well that it won't be taken care of.
unreal quarry
stef, he considers an egg that literally just got injected with a sperm a human life
limber knotBOT
he just doesn't get the difference between human life and smth that could become human life
finite wave
Hi @placid plover
limber knotBOT
thats the issue here
tropic flame
@austere ivy it's not the baby choice to stay inside another human body either, women have full control over what's inside them
austere ivy
@vernal moth, I do get the difference, and I believe that there is none.
tropic flame
ok I gotta go for real, afk
limber knotBOT
if you believe there is none you do infact not get the difference
heady spear
I honestly believe that your morals are fucked in all kinds of ways.
wide chasm
I personally don't see an egg with some sperm in it as human life, but I guess that's where we diagree.
unreal quarry
I do get the difference, and I believe that there is none. wat.
limber knotBOT
cmon, there is no beliving, this is science. bring facts or gtfo
austere ivy
If you plant a seed in a pot, and give it water and soil, and sunlight, then is that a plant? Not yet. But it still can become a plant, and it still can grow, and if left uninterrupted it will grow into a full plant. Same with humans.
olive garden
I personally see an egg with some sperm in it as human life, I just believe that it's completely fine to kill him/her
austere ivy
You don't get the choice to murder a human, it's that simple.
limber knotBOT
but you don't kill a plant if you kill the seed
wide chasm
@austere ivy At which point is the plant seed no longer a plant seed, but an actual plant, according to you?
austere ivy
That's the difference, Mini.
Seeds aren't always plants.
But human lives are lives.
finite wave
quasi valley
what IS a human live?
heady spear
"I'm sorry to hear that since that sounds really sucky but that doesn't mean that your mother gets the option to kill you "just because" it's her choice. It's not her choice."
Well, she did try postpartum so I guess she did believe it was her choice 😛
quasi valley
you use that term so often
austere ivy
@green edge, a seed was always a plant since it always had that option. But we're fine with killing them.
Kenn.
Kenny.
Are you being serious?
quasi valley
yeah
wide chasm
A seed is always a plant?
austere ivy
Let me go get a dictionary really quick.
quasi valley
youre throwing that around quite heavily
heady spear
the dictionary is my favorite source of morals
wide chasm
But I thought you said: "Seeds aren't always plants."
unreal quarry
seeds aren't always plants yeah, and embryos aren't always humans....
austere ivy
It's my favorite source of basic vocabulary.
finite wave
@wide chasm Some plants have sexed too
heady spear
We aren't discussing vocabulary
olive garden
@finite wave Your point?
heady spear
how would YOU define life?
vestal jasper
a living organism of the kind exemplified by trees, shrubs, herbs, grasses, ferns, and mosses, typically growing in a permanent site, absorbing water and inorganic substances through its roots, and synthesizing nutrients in its leaves by photosynthesis using the green pigment chlorophyll.```
How can something underground perform photosynthesis :)And this chat is boring
austere ivy
I'm a human life, you're a human life.
finite wave
You guys are just repeating yourself
limber knotBOT
a lumb of cells isn't human life.
austere ivy
^
quasi valley
Saying "its not okay to kill human life" is essentially saying "its not okay to kill x, also, I define x. because."
limber knotBOT
;)
worn ember
@heady spear https://i.imgur.com/jOzyBo3.gifv FAWE 10/10
olive garden
No, I actually changed my opinion twice now
there were 2 flaws in my original one (at least)
heady spear
stop talking to me about FAWE
finite wave
@worn ember dont update it
austere ivy
why are you talking to city about fawe
worn ember
clearly xD
austere ivy
lol
finite wave
Dont
quasi valley
look at worldedits code @jolly violet (theres no general way)
limber knotBOT
Aerocet, I think CraftMagicNumbers has a method
worn ember
he likes to complain about it @austere ivy
unreal quarry
@jolly violet got to #paper-dev we're having important conversations here
quasi valley
is there?
limber knotBOT
and phoenix 616 has a lib on his github
heady spear
I kind of own the fawe repo tho
olive garden
😐
austere ivy
how'd you manage that
heady spear
ok
heady spear
no
vestal jasper
Jesse did not city
heady spear
I own the organization that hosts it 🤷
vestal jasper
He's the owner of IS
austere ivy
wellThatsCool
heady spear
good4me
jolly violet
@unreal quarry what am I supposed to see there lol
limber knotBOT
whats IS?
olive garden
What's IS?
worn ember
screenshots and takes to the FBI
austere ivy
Hold up City are you male or female.
worn ember
Islamitic State
unreal quarry
@jolly violet thats where you ask those kinds of questions
vestal jasper
InfernalSorcerer
austere ivy
I'm confused because people refer to you as he and she
finite wave
Danish
austere ivy
ok so do you have the dangly bits
olive garden
@heady spear Don't you have like 60 genders?
worn ember
city is gay
heady spear
Everyone is a hen
vestal jasper
"What's IS?"
"I'm Swedish"
finite wave
City is a male
worn ember
thats all ug otta kno
austere ivy
oh ok
heady spear
I am actually aquagendered
limber knotBOT
everybody knows there are no women on the internet
austere ivy
I'm a toaster
heady spear
my gender depends on whether or not I'm close to a source of water
and what kind of water source it is
austere ivy
nah there are women on the internet
heady spear
when I'm around the ocean I'm oceanogendered
austere ivy
that's what tumblr is
but there is no women in developer discord
that's for sure haha
imagine if there was a woman in a computerscience class.
heady spear
but when I'm near a glass of water I don't have a gender at all
unless I'm thirsty, in which case I'm both male and female
limber knotBOT
who cares about your gender? the real important question is which toilet you use!
finite wave
Im male
heady spear
We have girls in our CS classes? :p
austere ivy
uncooked bread, rather.
finite wave
Suck it
austere ivy
If I get near uncooked bread I get really hot
and if I'm near toast I get super hot and usually burn it
and if I'm near nothing then I try to electrocute anyone near me
nothing breadgendered, that is
heady spear
what kind of incel school do you go to where there are only dudes in your cs classes?
then again, you're murican
limber knotBOT
4 out of 30 in my class where female
limber knotBOT
well, 4.5, I am not sure about that one dude
austere ivy
lol
heady spear
well to be fair, we have 1 girl in a class of like 30
austere ivy
^
heady spear
but she is so fucking loud, she might as well be 5
limber knotBOT
the class under me its 9/31
olive garden
5 years old?
austere ivy
guys
limber knotBOT
so its getting better
heady spear
5 years old and 5 girls
austere ivy
I'm getting super hot right now
heady spear
ain't nothing hot about you, mate.
olive garden
Are you becoming better looking?
unreal quarry
women dont usually get into technical classes because they think with their hearts more than their brain
runs
heady spear
There are a tonne of girls in the other engineering classes tho
austere ivy
huh.
olive garden
@vernal moth Does the company get bonuses for that? Equal people stuff and all
olive garden
lies
heady spear
I believe the pure mathematics class is mostly girls
limber knotBOT
we just hire ppl if they are good
olive garden
sounds stupid
woven otter
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Silicon Valley "Woman Engineer" - length 2m 39s - 3,376 likes, 197 dislikes (94.5%) - 778,835 views - Jonah Defez on 2015.10.24
heady spear
And industrial economics**
austere ivy
who here is into music production
heady spear
Mechatronics and mechanical engineering is mostly dudes, but I guess that's to be expected
austere ivy
is no one here into music production
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Is Black Summer Australia's Youngest Producer? - length 5m 22s - 9,613 likes, 5,121 dislikes (65.2%) - 1,006,147 views - triple j on 2015.04.14
austere ivy
this is the most golden video
if you skip to 2:35 you can see how condescending and rude he is
but then
olive garden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6u0VBqNBQ8
I am currently at 6:30 and I think the video is trying to say that children become human beings around the age of 8 months
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) The Origin of Consciousness – How Unaware Things Became Aware - length 9m 41s - 85,538 likes, 1,828 dislikes (97.9%) - 567,010 views - Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell on 2019.03.17
cerulean marsh
Can someone check if my resource (MCF) still exists on spigotmc? It's a standalone software.
austere ivy
MCF?
cerulean marsh
Malicious Code Finder
heady spear
yes, it does.
limber knotBOT
yes it is
cerulean marsh
how does that work o.o
limber knotBOT
only your user is banned
he didn't delete your content
all your posts are still there too
cerulean marsh
was either md_5 or choco, he hates me more than anyone
olive garden
Why did you get banned?
limber knotBOT
domain squatting
unreal quarry
md_5 threw a tantrum about it
worn ember
is it really squatting tho
limber knotBOT
it is
cerulean marsh
idk, I didn't do it for squatting reasons
acoustic pilot
Probably, but certainly not a good reason to ban someone.
void void
limber knotBOT
hes just upset
worn ember
im suprised i havent yet
limber knotBOT
HoverCatz, fix the mixed content, smh
cerulean marsh
which mixed content? 😮
heady spear
I haven't been banned from Spigot :D<3
limber knotBOT
serving trackers via http
cerulean marsh
Oooooooh
finite wave
Ive got lots of warnings
cerulean marsh
yeah thanks for reminding me
heady spear
can't remember if I was ever banned on spigot
cerulean marsh
You mean cutercounter right?
limber knotBOT
ye
lusty trail
unreal quarry
i had to stop talking on spigot forums. was getting close to being banned. md was deleting posts of mine just for saying the word paper
void void
@cerulean marsh
cerulean marsh
it was in the middle of the page
lusty trail
hey
limber knotBOT
😂
cerulean marsh
LOL
lusty trail
I need some help
cerulean marsh
slap me
austere ivy
oh no
acoustic pilot
md5 getting steadily more upset that Paper is about to overtake Spigot 😃
limber knotBOT
CafeBabe, slap HoverCatz
cerulean marsh
yeah the link was hiding outside my putty window
austere ivy
city did you make this plugin
limber knotBOT
sits on HoverCatz's face while slamming a large trout into their crotch.
vestal jasper
Deleted posts for saying paper? totally not excessive.
I'd get banned in protest.
austere ivy
city
austere ivy
oh no
limber knotBOT
I am surprised I never got banned nor warned for mentioning paper on the forums
cerulean marsh
HAHA
austere ivy
can I tag City
golden gust
oh, oh, oh, can I?!
austere ivy
oh my goodnesssssss
shrewd portal
lmao
austere ivy
why is city doing this
limber knotBOT
I think my only warnings I got are from telling ppl to GTFO
austere ivy
did ChatColor.formatColorCodes not exist????
cerulean marsh
mini, they don't offer ssl 😂
finite wave
Same i call them stupid if they are stupid
limber knotBOT
idiots, lol
austere ivy
city whhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
lusty trail
when I set the online mode to false my premium account loses its skin as well as its items
finite wave
Retards
limber knotBOT
its 2019, how can you not offer https?
austere ivy
pauseMessage = this.getConfig().getString("pauseMessage").replaceAll("(&([a-f0-9]))", "§$2").replace(" ", " ").replaceAll("&l", "" + ChatColor.BOLD).replaceAll("&o", "" + ChatColor.ITALIC).replaceAll("&k", "" + ChatColor.MAGIC).replaceAll("&r", "" + ChatColor.RESET).replaceAll("&n", "" + ChatColor.UNDERLINE).replaceAll("&m", "" + ChatColor.STRIKETHROUGH).replace("%", "");
olive garden
woah
austere ivy
I'm not sure if this is a good or bad idea.
golden gust
There is a method on ChatColor for that
austere ivy
Maybe both /shrug
cerulean marsh
my god
vestal jasper
ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', "insert string here")
austere ivy
Just seems a bit complicated.
golden gust
@lusty trail Well, yes; you configured your server to not speak to mojangs servers to fetch user into/profiles
vestal jasper
Should be in the ChatColor class methods list
austere ivy
I'm just taking a peek at the code from City's old ChatPause plugin.
It's from 1.6.4 bukkit.
Did it have translateAlternateColorCodes back then?
vestal jasper
Might not have existed then
austere ivy
Maybe not.
golden gust
If you're trying to use bungeecord, you need to configure bungeecord mode, otherwise 🤷
finite wave
It did
unreal quarry
its existed since the beginning
heady spear
don't look at chatpause
vestal jasper
Either that or he was like 13 then and didn't know java well :)
heady spear
please
finite wave
Jk @heady spear prolly just sucked
austere ivy
City honestly I'm such a noob at all this stuff it's good for me to see different ways of doing this haha xD
heady spear
Not that one
austere ivy
Everyone has their starting points
heady spear
it's from 2013
austere ivy
I mean look at my first song >_>
finite wave
Dont jse that
heady spear
not fair
finite wave
Read books
austere ivy
City, look at my first song
heady spear
I was 14 when I made that shit
austere ivy
Heck look at my first piece of code.
finite wave
heady spear
good for you
finite wave
Here books
heady spear
stop that tho
lusty trail
I mean the skin well ok but why I lose my items? an id or smthing?
heady spear
be like 18 or something
quasi valley
CoreCore
finite wave
He is german
heady spear
mini is trying to blame his sucky code on it being old lol
austere ivy
CoreCore xD
heady spear
I would never
austere ivy
I'm just confused City why did you not do translate alternate color codes.
finite wave
Two cores?
finite wave
Wouldnt the corecore be the cores core?
austere ivy
Like this looks harder than doing that, requires a lot of like.. thought, which I have a limited supply of it.
Fair enough.
finite wave
But the core is the corecore’s core?
limber knotBOT
no, there is Core https://github.com/MiniDigger/Core/blob/master/C_API/src/main/java/me/MiniDigger/Core/Core.java
heady spear
if you're going to judge my code, judge plotsquared or something
austere ivy
One thing I think is horrible is that enums can have methods.
heady spear
that's from about the same time
limber knotBOT
which defines a bunch of abstract methods
unreal quarry
@cerulean marsh something about this doesnt feel right https://i.imgur.com/H5hdJUa.png
heady spear
PlotSquared was made in 2014
unreal quarry
it hurts my brain
heady spear
don't look at the code from the time where I stole PlotMe code tho
worldly condor
@ancient bolt wtf are you doing with MinecraftDevelopment plugin? Everyday i receive update ?
cerulean marsh
The english? @unreal quarry
unreal quarry
yeah.
austere ivy
Strange how everyone at some point in their life, no matter how tough they may seem, was once a poor little 5 year old.
cerulean marsh
I'm Norwegian
austere ivy
What'd Zach do? Wait what now?
unreal quarry
reminds me of a friend i had in highschool that said things like "do you like being smelling good?"
cerulean marsh
I remember having issues making that sentence
austere ivy
Oooh drama, what's the gist of it?
vestal jasper
That is 4 Cores deep
heady spear
Look at the code from after that time
quasi valley
no zach420 obv
heady spear
I didn't know how licensing worked and basically used PlotMe code
no, the plotme developer lol
limber knotBOT
@worldly condor wtf you on about, 3 updates the last 4 weeks, lol
austere ivy
Fickly.
bright ermine
http://prntscr.com/mz58fx How could I fix this issue? Everyone on the server has a default skin
austere ivy
Taking code is fickly.
vestal jasper
Time to boycott P2
austere ivy
Because code, unlike art, is so static and.. lifeless.
What I mean by that, is that..
heady spear
Uhm, I basically used his generator algorithm
vestal jasper
Use an online server :)
heady spear
but made it less poopy
worldly condor
yesterday i received update, and now received another update @vernal moth
austere ivy
If I do 1+1 in my plugin, there's really no other way to do that.
heady spear
he got mad about that
bright ermine
@vestal jasper I use bungeecord
lusty trail
why does my uuid change when I disable online mode true? srry total n00b here
vestal jasper
nvm then
heady spear
I was 15 at that time, I think
austere ivy
So what can you copyright?
heady spear
15 year old me was salty af tho
austere ivy
public boolean onCommand(CommandSender sender, Command cmd, String commandLabel, String[] args) {
Player player = (Player)sender;
worldly condor
@austere ivy i will gonna DMCA your repo if you type this in your plugin and put it on github
i mean
the i = 1 + 1
limber knotBOT
@MrIvanPlays, yes. 2 updates in two days isn't every day tho, lol
austere ivy
why is there no space between (Player) and sender?
It
It infuriates me. It's a cast, you put a space.
heady spear
are you looking at the decompiled code?
austere ivy
yes ._.
heady spear
If so, don't blame that shit on me
austere ivy
Yeah I suppose.
heady spear
Complain to your decompiler then
austere ivy
Put out the source 😄
ancient bolt
@worldly condor the commit history is on github
heady spear
idgaf
austere ivy
DARN INTELLIJ IDEA DECOMPILER
quasi valley
dont look at it then 
austere ivy
fernflower 😠
heady spear
https://github.com/Sauilitired/ChatIcon
lol, here's a plugin you can judge for real
God damn that code is a mess
and it's relatively recent as well
worldly condor
@ancient bolt can i receive link to its github ?
limber knotBOT
.g minecraftdevelopment github
(MiniDigger) https://github.com/minecraft-dev/MinecraftDev -- GitHub - minecraft-dev/MinecraftDev: Plugin for IntelliJ...: "Minecraft Development for IntelliJ. Service, Status. TeamCity, TeamCity Build Status. Nightly, TeamCity Nightly Status. Travis (Linux), Travis Linux..."
google is so hard
god dammit
worn ember
What code are you even looking at
heady spear
I've made a lot of plugins since I started 🤷
austere ivy
all of them, Darkeye
heady spear
I also sold a lot of plugins
worn ember
Why
worn ember
Who buys stuff from sweeds
heady spear
A lot of people 😃
austere ivy
I don't really like :> because it looks.. spooky, and I prefer :) but Discord messes it up.
And does: 😃
and it looks like garbage.
heady spear
Jesse and I teamed up and did comissions for everyone, lol
quasi valley
no :)
olive garden
@austere ivy You can disable that
worn ember
:)
austere ivy
Aww City you're actually adorable.
vestal jasper
I like how the MCDev intellij plugin is made in kotlin but doesn't support kotlin because "If we support kotlin then all other JVM plugins will beg for support"
Really fun reasoning
Can't possibly just selectively say no
austere ivy
City, when did you become so opinionated and.. swear-y
I don't know
12 downloads, and only one comment? Come on guys :p Tell me how I can improve the plugin, and please don't be afraid to post suggestions on more functions (this is as simple as I could make it, but I want to make it more advanced) :>
That's discrimination
heady spear
that was 4 years ago
heady spear
https://github.com/Sauilitired/Kvantum
this is also a mess
vestal jasper
And now you abuse me constantly city mom
heady spear
I started working on Kvantum in 2015 as well
olive garden
You are also a mess
heady spear
so that was the same time as chaticon
oblique condor
worn ember
Is this the new bromance?
austere ivy
ANYWHO onwards to ChatIcon.
unreal quarry
my chat icons were better, @heady spear 😛
heady spear
probably 😄
this was 1 year after chaticon: https://github.com/Sauilitired/Deepend
You can track my progression via github, lol
olive garden
"lombok projectlombok.org Makes code prettier"
heady spear
^fact
finite wave
Ya
unreal quarry
.lombok
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
heady spear
billy stfu
quasi valley
but hes right
austere ivy
Anyone here live in Michigan?
heady spear
it's still funny how I got paid thousands of dollars for deepend
austere ivy
ok I'm confused
{ icons.put("plane", "\u2708"); icons.put("snowman", "\u2603"); icons.put("coffee", "\u2615"); }
heady spear
I used netty in the beginning but I couldn't figure out how to use it
heady spear
so I switched to normal java sockets 😃
olive garden
@austere ivy Is that a city?
austere ivy
yeah
heady spear
2015 City^***
austere ivy
I'm a java noob but I have no idea what that is
is that an abstract class?
or
somethin
olive garden
nope
heady spear
that's an instance initialization block :d
quasi valley
please dont use light theme
worn ember
Wait nvm
olive garden
too late
austere ivy
Kenny this is github
olive garden
you already said your stupid stuff DarkEye
heady spear
called before the constructor
quasi valley
olive garden
think before you talk next time
austere ivy
Before the constructor?
austere ivy
Why not in the constructor?
heady spear
Yes, before the constructor.
worn ember
@olive garden I'm on phone I blame autocorrect
heady spear
Because it's not a part of the constructor 😛
heady spear
per instance
austere ivy
Called once when Java loads it or something?
heady spear
No, it's called when you create an instance 😛
olive garden
It's actually called after the 4th line in the constructor has been executed
austere ivy
What's the advantages of putting that in .. whatever that is, rather than in the constructor?
Since they're both on instance.
olive garden
if the constructor consists of less than 4 lines, then it's before the constructor
heady spear
olive garden
JVM specification
olive garden
just kidding