waterfall-help

[sly hill]

ok, thanks 🙂

[tired lark]

why use waterfall the ping is high? sometimes the ping is good but after a while it's high.

[stiff hollow]

hi, how can I give access to a certain server to a specific group? (I use LuckPerms)

[craggy trout]

Waterfall like BungeeCord has nothing to do with your ping being incredibly high.
That often happens because of a bad host and/or bad wifi.

[craggy trout]

Ask that on your plugin support.

That's not a "Waterfall" imself thing.

[marble kelp]

it is

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall exposes perms for the /server command to target servers

you can just assign the perm per group for access through that

[marble kelp]

@stiff hollow set the server to restriced and set teh bungeecord.server.[servername] permission

[reef fulcrum]

for anything else, you'd need a plugin

^^ is what you'd do with LP for /server

[craggy trout]

ah, i missreaded

[marble kelp]

any plugin that does it properly should then use the server restriction api 👀

[craggy trout]

Reveal your identity

[marble kelp]

have you tried reading?

[young rampart]

@acoustic adder but IRC

[reef fulcrum]

reading? sounds like a religion

0/10

do not recommend

[craggy trout]

Im joking bruh

[marble kelp]

jokes need to be original to be funny

[craggy trout]

Not really

[misty fern]

Hello is there a plugin for Bungeecord when too many players connect at the same time that man is kicked? so something like a network filter? Example image:

[craggy trout]

Some antibot feature

Also bungee already checks if that player is already online

[wide thistle]

Does anyone know why this happens when player logs in to the server

And they cannot login

[royal hawk]

Your system DNS appears to be broken
If that’s not the case and you’re 100% sure it should be working disable use_netty_dns_resolver in the waterfall config and see if that fixes it

[wide thistle]

Fixed, thanks a lot 😄

[tidal musk]

Does any1 know how i can make it so when my main server is restarting, players get sent to the hub instead of being kicked from the server?#

[craggy trout]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/redirect-plus.51975/

[tidal musk]

some1 told me that its done by default in bungee so i assumed i misconfigured something. do i need a plugin for this?

[reef fulcrum]

It's not

[latent pelican]

can somebody helpme?, my player cant join because of this message

the console message

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @latent pelican: https://paste.gg/34dce1e8cff94ea1818a72b616b00353

[latent pelican]

messing around with plugin, etc nothing changed the message still appear

[icy falcon]

for some reason one of my server wont show up its in the config online mode is off and bunngy mode is on

[lost river]

Looks like a plugins sets a string somewhere to null.
Test and find out what plugin does that, then take a look at that.

[lost river]

Did you restart the proxy after adding the entry to the config.

[icy falcon]

yeah

i reset all the servers

[latent pelican]

Have you ever encounter this bug at some point?

and what cause the message appear?

Im currently using small amount of plugin

[surreal stump]

That's a lot of plugins for waterfall. We can't know which plugin does trash
Remove 50% if it still occurs, switch it and remove the other 50% until you find your malicious plugin

[lost river]

i never got that error and do not know excatly why it appears.
But the error logs says that some string in a title packet is null.
update all plugins and check if the error happens again.
If yes, check without plugins.

[lost river]

what exactly do you mean by not showing up? is it in the list you see when doing /server?

[latent pelican]

So i need clarify plugin that i use

[surreal stump]

Yes

[craggy trout]

normaly is easy to fix those issues.

[latent pelican]

Yeah, this is week 2 solving those bug

[craggy trout]

Tf, why you're using ViaVersion stuff on proxy? Also DynamicBungeeAuth is really bad, try instead AuthMe + FastLogin

[latent pelican]

my dev says use viaversion only on proxy bc is more efficient

dynamicbungeeauth is safer in my opinion

[craggy trout]

your devs are dumb asses then

BungeeCord literaly works really better without it, personally i recommend remove the useless entity rewrite.

[latent pelican]

so i dont need via version?

[young rampart]

not on your bungee no

just use an up to date proxy version

Do you use BungeeCord / Velocity? Ensure you have updated it first, you can use the plugin on all your backend servers OR BungeeCord/Velocity. Compatibility is the best when on your backend servers.

even says so on the ViaVersion plugin page^^

[latent pelican]

hm ok

[latent pelican]

finally that 125 gone

deleted viaversion and change it to lobby server and other sub server

[craggy trout]

[lost juniper]

This is constantly being spammed in my bungeecord console

any ideas?

[craggy trout]

Well is "normal" but, did you get attacked?

You can do an toggle for this log if is that anonynng i guess

[lost juniper]

nope. Just randomly happening

[craggy trout]

Or use some plugin filter

[craggy trout]

Then you can do what i said

[lost juniper]

how... I took a massive break from mc so forgot half the knowledge xD

[craggy trout]

just an boolean

Or a "LogFilter" plugin

I did it, is really easy

#waterfall-dev

[tidal musk]

Hello, so. I have really weird problem with my server. It's just randomly shutting down. No errors in console or logs.
What I've tried

• As I run servers under screen, first I tried to run it under java only from bash
• We have limited RAM, so to test it I turned off all servers and changed -Xmx to 8G and -Xms to 128M
• I tried disabling all (5) plugins
• I tried downgrading from 484 to 483
  And I tried above things with diffrent combinations

The disconecction message is [Proxy] Proxy is restarting

[royal hawk]

You have limited ram but you choose to set Xmx to 8 gigabytes? Keep in mind what you set there must absolutely be available + 10-15% for the JVM itself to run that instance

[tidal musk]

makes sense

💀

when it comes to java I have no idea what I'm doing

[royal hawk]

Xmx is the maximum system memory + 10-15% the process can use
Even if it’s not actually using it it might take up that much, so you need to allocate it in a way that leaves the system itself with enough

[marble harbor]

I need some help about 1 player using 1-2% proxy cpu usage (150player 300% cpu usage)

jvm:
java -Xms3584M -Xmx3584M -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=4M -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -Dlog4j2.formatMsgNoLookups=true -Duser.timezone=Asia/Hong_Kong -jar waterfall.jar

Plugin list

[royal hawk]

If the system is about to run out it will just kill off a process

[royal hawk]

You have plugins (some of which are very unsupported by paper) so this can be expected. Waterfall is a software that makes use of multithreading so multiple 100% isn’t surprising

[marble harbor]

Thank you

[tidal musk]

So I was lucky since like 5 years ago when I created my first minecraft server for friends, I was always allocating as much ram as system has and it never was crashing like that

[royal hawk]

If you do wanna see if your setup is going to work then set your Xms to the same value as Xmx, that way it will run very close to the maximum it can allocate and you can use a task manager to see if you still have room

[tidal musk]

Server is running under linux

so I can look at process list

[royal hawk]

htop

But yea

[tidal musk]

I allocated 6GB to main server 512M to auth and 512M. Should be enough as system runs on around 200M.

[royal hawk]

If it is not then the main server will die

Also auth sounds suspiciously like an unsupported setup with piracy

[tidal musk]

Yeah, unfortunetly I was forced to do it because of my friends

I have original minecraft

Server is private anyways, if it was public, it would be original minecraft only no matter what

[royal hawk]

Yea but we don’t care about your reasons for piracy, doesn’t change the fact that we won’t help with actual software issues that arise.
The game isn’t that expensive and if you have game pass you can play it for free.

[tidal musk]

Understandable

[royal hawk]

I think you know enough now to fix your issue, just don’t suffocate your system and you should be good

[tidal musk]

Yeah, thank you and have a nice day ❤️

||It's not a justification of piracy and I don't really want to continue that, and I personally don't like piracy as well. Unfortunetly in poland 70% of community plays on cracked minecraft and finding server for original minecraft only in poland is like searching for needle in a haystack. If I asked random person they would say to f*** off or would buy stolen account, Minecraft here costs 100PLN which is quite much for person in age 15-17, Imagine paying 120USD for minecraft, it feels like that here||

[thorn drift]

How would you find the source of vulnerability if someone freezes your proxy?
It said "Pinging.." all the time and you couldn't connect
It wasn't a ddos and I'm also not suspecting any vulnerability within waterfall
After setting up a firewall to block all other ports than minecraft, you could connect properly again

I know that someone did this and I'm still unsure how

[craggy trout]

That can be caused by a plugin, by your host, by your firewall even by if you touched something bad of Waterfall

But normaly is an Attack.

[thorn drift]

It was an attack

But I don't know how they did it

[craggy trout]

wana dm i can help you

But like i need logs

[quaint pond]

"It wasn't a ddos"
If you block all other ports then what could it be

🤔

[craggy trout]

He's proxy status was not pinging

[quaint pond]

packet loss maybe

[craggy trout]

Wym, if he ddos other port will trow that Server not the proxy.

No, because even the plugin of votes he's using is saying that got attacked

And the logs are obvuisly of a massive ping spam

So yes, it was a ddos.

[quaint pond]

Yeah thats what i tought

What host is he using ?

[craggy trout]

I just fixed to him

[quaint pond]

fixed ddos ?

[craggy trout]

Yeah well it was an dumb stresser i guess

Or just abusing Exceptions of bungee

[quaint pond]

So it was layer 7 ?

Not lower layers ?

[craggy trout]

Yeah, it was a L7 DDoS

[quaint pond]

ok then

[craggy trout]

or dos idk

Ah you're the guy of reverse proxy thing

[quaint pond]

Hmmm yeah i guess

[craggy trout]

Btw i can ensure you that was an ddos, i tried with he's permission to do the same attack and happend again

The first fault was a plugin

[quaint pond]

kk

[craggy trout]

[tidal musk]

Does anyone know why this error happens to me, it stays starting and cannot be turned off

It's been 2 days

I need help

[reef fulcrum]

The thing started fine

you probs don't wanna have it listening on 127.0.0.1, but, 0.0.0.0

beyond that, that's down to your panel

[tidal musk]

It says starting because the egg is set to a vanilla-based server

It's basically waiting for the Done(0.00s)! Type... message

contact your host to change it

[proven flax]

how can i skip this "Server will start in 10 seconds"

i remember there is here a java start flag but what is it

[craggy trout]

Is that of Waterfall lmao?

O ye my bad @proven flax

[proven flax]

hmm its bungee

[craggy trout]

•            System.err.println( "*** Hey! This build is potentially outdated 😦 ***" );
  

•            System.err.println( "*** Please check for a new build from https://papermc.io/downloads ***" );
  

•            System.err.println( "*** Should this build be outdated, you will get NO support for it. ***" );
  

•            System.err.println( "*** Server will start in 10 seconds ***" );
  

•            Thread.sleep( TimeUnit.SECONDS.toMillis( 10 ) );
  

[proven flax]

but i think waterfall have this too

[craggy trout]

Just remove that from BungeeCordLauncher

[proven flax]

😄

there is should be here a more easy way

[craggy trout]

https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/blob/master/proxy/src/main/java/net/md_5/bungee/BungeeCordLauncher.java

[craggy trout]

Nah, is good having that log

[craggy trout]

Because for example last time with the log4j exploit

[proven flax]

oh i found

[craggy trout]

yes well is really easy to remove

From here to here

[proven flax]

but i am not developing any bungee fork

[craggy trout]

Remove and re-compile

[craggy trout]

Just clone Waterfall, remove it and build it

[proven flax]

i want only close this cooldown from starting

[craggy trout]

lmao

[proven flax]

IReallyKnowWhatIAmDoingISwear is this will not work ?

lets test

[craggy trout]

nah

i can do it for you btw

if you want, idc

[proven flax]

clone and build ?

oh no thanks

[craggy trout]

Remove the 10s cooldown

[proven flax]

i only searching this flag

[craggy trout]

bruh

Is just removing this

       if ( BungeeCord.class.getPackage().getSpecificationVersion() != null && System.getProperty( "IReallyKnowWhatIAmDoingISwear" ) == null )
        {
            Date buildDate = new SimpleDateFormat( "yyyyMMdd" ).parse( BungeeCord.class.getPackage().getSpecificationVersion() );

            Calendar deadline = Calendar.getInstance();
            deadline.add( Calendar.WEEK_OF_YEAR, -8 );
            if ( buildDate.before( deadline.getTime() ) )
            {
                System.err.println( "*** Warning, this build is outdated ***" );
                System.err.println( "*** Please download a new build from http://ci.md-5.net/job/BungeeCord ***" );
                System.err.println( "*** You will get NO support regarding this build ***" );
                System.err.println( "*** Server will start in 10 seconds ***" );
                Thread.sleep( TimeUnit.SECONDS.toMillis( 10 ) );
            }
        }

[proven flax]

i know its easy but dont needed for this

[craggy trout]

Wym

You want to skeep it

Any ways, if is updated, Waterfall would start without cooldown

[proven flax]

its worked with that

more easy

[proven flax]

this flag did helped me

[craggy trout]

But why you just don't update Waterfall lmao

[proven flax]

the developers have already added a solution for this, why update it?

[reef fulcrum]

only reason for that flag still existing is because we thing the timer is stupid and doesn't fix people being too lazy to update

Ofc, the solution here is to update, much less effort/time

[solid dew]

hi, i have this problem, any1 can help me?
Could not connect to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall?

[craggy trout]

Well read what is saying

Missconfig

[solid dew]

?

[craggy trout]

You did wrong config

Like bad address, bad port or just your firewall

[brisk fox]

Using two waterfall proxies over different country locations pointing to same lobby, could improve player latency? I have users from different continents, and, as servers works on high bandwidth, i though this could be a solution.

Am I worng?

[prisma whale]

bandwidth has nothing to do with latency

[surreal stump]

It wouldn't gain fewer latency. The lobby servers still have to send the packages to the proxy and then to the player. And may you need a custom domain that a player connects to exactly that server instance because Minecraft doesn't send location packages. May Plugins can fetch the geoip and send you to a proxy but then you need a multi layer proxy but with vpns you still have a problem.
All in all it wouldn't gain fewer latency and is only a complex thing. Might electroniccat prove me wrong but from my view: useless

[prisma whale]

and would do more damage than anything, if you have a UK player going to germany to play on your US based backends thats slower than going to your US proxy

[brisk fox]

No exactly what i meant, I'm sorry, maybe i did not explain myself correctly.

I was thinking about two proxy servers, one on its own IP/domain, each one on different parts of world, connected to the same lobby, so a player can pick its nearest proxy.

mc1.domain.com (EU)  ------                   - Server2 (EU)
                             > Lobby (EU)  >  - Server3 (EU)
mc2.domain.com (US ) -----                    - Server4 (EU)

As the servers are interconnected on high bandwidth, and, the player may pick its nearest proxy, i though this will be able to help with PING issues on client side.

[prisma whale]

Where is the lobby and backend servers located?

everything I am pretty sure I said above still applies

[brisk fox]

Same location as MC1, EU.

[prisma whale]

wheres the US location based

[brisk fox]

Its hypothetical, it may be in Dallas, or Miami.

This is just a though about aiding US, users to lower its latency. Maybe its a complete nonsense.

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, 100% depends on the routing

Who knows, maybe the route between the players and the proxy, and the proxy to the server, is better than the player directly to the servers network

But, generally, you're talking minimal improvements at best, like, a few ms either way generally within the mean error rates

[prisma whale]

yeah no

your player has to go through ISP -> US (Miami) -> Lobby EU -> Server

If you are in NY thats absolutely backwards

instead of NY -> Dallas/Miami -> Back to NY to leave the country -> EU Lobby

the only way that works in practice is if you have a proxy server near every potential player

like Cloudflare Spectrum

[royal hawk]

Or you have your own very low latency global network you can route through- also like spectrum

[reef fulcrum]

Yea

don't do that

Check your network setup

if hosting on same machine, use loopback or if ptero, see their guides (may be pinned in here or velocity halp)

[brisk fox]

Thank you.

[idle holly]

No, that's kinda the whole point of bungee...

What are you trying to do?

[pine timber]

server is not crashed

[pine timber]

help?

[craggy trout]

Then is wrongly configured

[pine timber]

tablist was the problem

wow

[craggy trout]

Uh, you need to see your logs of your backends before nothing

Because if the connections fails, will trow an debug so just read it and send if you don't understand.

[split jungle]

How can i check version of my waterfall?

I checked by doin ver in console didn't work

[reef fulcrum]

bungee

[mystic sky]

When one of my bungeecord server is offline the ip is leaked via error message that comes up in the chat. How can I make it so it stops showing

[reef fulcrum]

update

[tidal musk]

Does anyone know of a cross sever messaging plugin?

And a friends plugin?

[astral spade]

Hello

I'm having problem so bassicly I can connect to server a, server b, server c, but can't connect to server x

I've enabled bungeecord in spigot and added it correctly in the config.yml (proxy side)

[reef fulcrum]

logs? errors?

[craggy trout]

nice debug

🥵

[astral spade]

There's nothing

I'm not joking my main question is is there anyone who has had a similiar problem.

It looks like everything is okay, but doesn't work

[astral spade]

Will sending bungee config help?

[astral spade]

the server itself is running fine it's a problem on the proxy

started when I updated waterfall

[fathom jetty]

Offline mode

[final rapids]

Does anyone know why when a user leaves my server for some reason the waterfall tries to connect them to the priority server (Lobby) No client pending for pending server and this obviously throws an error of:

Lost connection: Internal Exception: java.io.IOException: Error while write(...): Broken pipe

This happens with all users who leave the server, when they disconnect from the lobby server this does not happen.

[marble kelp]

do you have any plugins?

[final rapids]

yes, advancedban, 2ls antibot, authmebungee, cleanmotd, fastlogin, liteannouncer, lobbysystem, movemenow, skinstestorer

with bungeecord it doesn't happen

[marble kelp]

you are using multiple plugins that mess with internals (and are also pointless) so that doesn't say much

test without them

[final rapids]

okay

[final rapids]

@fathom jetty ?

[craggy trout]

What plugins?

I would just change AdvancedBan for LibertyBans, and use native motd instead cleanmotd.

[final rapids]

yeh what plugins bro?

[fathom jetty]

Are you in offline mode?🤔

Well, piracy is not supported here

[craggy trout]

Im sure that is lobbysystem or movemenow

Other plugins are frecuently updated

[final rapids]

i will try without them thx

[craggy trout]

Btw AdvancedBans < LibertyBans

[jolly kite]

someone can help me with this bug?
An sponge dev told me that the problem is my waterfall.Someone can told me what is wrong

here a video of the bug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB4MEHOfwFA

[royal hawk]

my guess is issue with your mods

[jolly kite]

do you know an common one that have issues?

[craggy trout]

Is just your mod

Any ways, what version is the server native?

[jolly kite]

1.12.2

forge

[jolly kite]

i'm using spongeforge

[craggy trout]

My friend is running pixelmon server tho on 1.12.2 with 500 on, and had 0 issues.

Waterfall-fork based

[jolly kite]

yes

the problem is

[craggy trout]

Just change that mod, we can't fix your mod.

[jolly kite]

what mod

pixelmon?

[craggy trout]

Nah, others

[jolly kite]

ok

do u know a way to find what mod have problems

or i need to test one by one

[craggy trout]

Just use the logic

Remove mods, that you don't know what are really handling

Or 1 x1, just is spent of time and will work!

[jolly kite]

ok

thanks for the help

[reef fulcrum]

Try disabling entity metadata rewriting, but, for the most part any deeper would require pulling apart mods

[reef fulcrum]

The connection timed out

Most issues like that are down to network configuration, if using a hosting provider, ask them for support, if ptero, configure stuff using the ptero network interface

(if self hosting without docker, etc, use localhost)

[rare forum]

[17:06:59 WARN]: Error occurred processing connection for Dacaly AnnotatedConnectException : finishConnect(..) failed: Connection refused: /0.0.0.0:25572
[17:06:59 INFO]: [Dacaly] disconnected with: Could not connect to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall?

The ip and port are fine, cuz if you direct connect, it does actually tell you to connect trough bungee. Is it a firewall issue?

[craggy trout]

im sure is your spigot

[reef fulcrum]

0.0.0.0 is not a valid IP address to connect to

[craggy trout]

bind_local_Address: true i guess

[reef fulcrum]

some OSes try to manage it but it's generally not a reliable thing to try to use, but, whatever you tried to connect to was invalid

Nothing to do with that, they blatently configured the server IP improperly

if using ptero, see the pins

otherwise, use the loopback interface or, if using a shared host, public IP/ask them for support

[craggy trout]

brug

[rare forum]

Wdym? Should I use 127.0.0.1?

[tidal musk]

Does anyone know where I can find a global msg plugin?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean what I said, don't use 0.0.0.0

I already said generally what to use but it depends on your environment

[rare forum]

Ok but like, everything doesn't work

[reef fulcrum]

Okay, and how are you hosting the server?

because as I said, everything boils down towards that

[rare forum]

On a private vps on pterodactyl

I feel like it's firewalls tho

[reef fulcrum]

Nothing to do with the firewall

[reef fulcrum]

you misconfigured it

See the pin, as I said.

[rare forum]

Thanks I just noticed my friend did it the wrong way lmao

[tidal musk]

hey, velocity is not compatible with 1.18.2 ?

[marble kelp]

it is, what makes you think that it doesn't support it!

*?

[tidal musk]

i can't join it

[marble kelp]

which version are you running?

[tidal musk]

server or client ?

[marble kelp]

(also pretty sure there is a dedicated velocity channel on the discord)

the velocity version

[tidal musk]

3.1.1-98

[marble kelp]

well that's outdated

[tidal musk]

oh, because i click on download the last stable version from velocitypowered

no matter, thanks

[surreal stream]

next time you ask in #velocity-help :)

and download the latest versions from the papermc site

[grave portal]

/127.0.0.1:58321] <-> InitialHandler - overflow in packet detected! A string had more data than allowed. For more information, launch Waterfall with -Dwaterfall.packet-decode-logging=true

completly vanilla waterfall setup just moved from bungee

[reef fulcrum]

all we can tell you is all the thing says

[grave portal]

launched with the reccomended flag did the exact same thing

client times out with ReadTimeoutException : null

[reef fulcrum]

the flag it shows in there is not "recommended"

the flag, assuming you added it properly, just makes the thing show stack traces

[grave portal]

well if its not reccomended what am i supposed to do

[young rampart]

The flag in that error message only enables more precise error messages you could use to analyse the issue

[reef fulcrum]

if you add the flag, it will print a message with the actual error

[grave portal]

where is that message

[reef fulcrum]

"read timed out" just says that the connection timed out

If you caused that error again, in the logs

timed out would generally suggest network or other issues, i.e. bad plugins

[wise kite]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/895#issuecomment-372175216

[grave portal]

right but its obviously making it to waterfall since it gives a error i just dont know what to do about the error

im not using any plugins

gives a server side error*

[reef fulcrum]

right, but you've not given anything for us to go off

the only error you've provided so far are generic messages which have no info

[grave portal]

so where do i find the non generic message

[reef fulcrum]

all I can see thus far is that something sent some oversized data in a packet, and your client timed out

I mean, if you can reproduce the InitialHandler one, the flag mentioned will show the actual real error

noting that that flag goes before -jar

[grave portal]

[13:41:35 WARN]: [/127.0.0.1:37969] <-> InitialHandler - overflow in packet detected! Cannot receive string longer than 1020 (got 1420 bytes)
now gives this error

[reef fulcrum]

That would be the hostname

[grave portal]

?

not using a domain if thats what you mean

just testing locally since still setting things up

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, 1020/4 = 255

Only thing I can see using 255 is the hostname field in the handshake

so, either your client is sending too much data in there, or, something is mangling packets

you're not using a hacked client and tryna use a bungee bypass or some crap, are you?

[grave portal]

no

ive tried with sodium/fabric clients and vanilla

[reef fulcrum]

what are you connecting to in the client?

[grave portal]

192.168.0.xx

[reef fulcrum]

I got no idea then

only packet which uses 255 as a limit is the handshake packet

reproduce without plugins, etc

outside of that 🤷‍♂️

[grave portal]

aight well thanks for the help

[reef fulcrum]

make sure that you've not got the proxy tryna connect to itself either

[grave portal]

made that mistake before lol

[jagged burrow]

does papermc patch bedrock breaking exploits by default? how can i re-enable them?

I see the link in the /dupe command, but I don't know what file I'm supposed to edit

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3854

what file is this talking about?

AH

nevermind. I found it

it's line 100 in the default paper.yml

[royal hawk]

Wrong channel for this

[jagged burrow]

oh oops

my bad

[pine timber]

how do i make so that everytime the player joins he gets sent to the hub?

[reef fulcrum]

force-default or something in the config

[pine timber]

thanks

[reef fulcrum]

generally, same instructions as is pinned, communicate over the ptero interface

[finite grail]

Hi
I know this is kind of a dumb question but I think it only sounds that way on paper(figuratively speaking not the server). I am trying to learn about waterfall but there doesn't seem to be much documentation. Should I be looking at the bungeecord documentation?

Also does anyone know of any white hat guys that do MC server pen testing?

[prisma whale]

yes, use bungeecord docs

[finite grail]

Ok. Thanks. I didn't want to go reading a ton of stuff and find out I was missing something

[craggy trout]

You can ask for help btw, if you still not really understanding the work.

[royal hawk]

disable netty dns resolver, that should fix it

otherwise your system dns is broken

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, if you disabled netty DNS, the things now using your servers DNS stack through java as opposed to nettys

if both of them are having issues resolving mojangs domain names, you should probs work out what is killing your DNS lookups

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, both errors point towards something wrong with your network

How are you running the server?

[fierce summit]

Any chance you're using OVH?

[royal hawk]

curl https://sessionserver.mojang.com/session/minecraft/profile/069a79f4-44e9-4726-a5be-fca90e38aaf5
If that works then the proxy will be able to authenticate you. If not then you need to figure out how to make it work

If that works then you’re banned or blacklisted from the authentication endpoint https://sessionserver.mojang.com/session/minecraft/hasJoined

yea bans are per ip/hostname of the server
That’s highly unlikely though unless you’ve had mail from mojang/Microsoft regarding EULA violations
Something is preventing the JVM from accessing the internet it seems like

[royal hawk]

Again smells like DNS

run nslookup
Does it default to server 127.0.0.1? If yes check your resolveconf or the equivalent for systemd-resolved
If you’re using something else like dnsmasq you need to check there

No, no it’s doesn’t

[reef fulcrum]

Try reinstalling java

Something is clearly wrong with your setup if you're having so many network issues in java

[vast solstice]

hi how fix that

[reef fulcrum]

the connection was closed improperly, basically

generally, make sure that you have the correct IP address and that the firewall isn't blocking stuff, etc

[vast solstice]

You think is dns ? Because i try connect without firewall and IP is correct

[reef fulcrum]

well, an IP address has literally nothing to do with DNS

[vast solstice]

Okey

[royal hawk]

you’ll have to use ldd to check which system library is broken missing or incorrectly linked

the system isn’t providing the requirements for the natives

so that needs to be fixed to resolve this

[reef fulcrum]

Your system is missing a library

either work out what that library is, or ignore it

I mean, it should work without it

it even says that it's falling back

[tall sorrel]

my Waterfall works for most servers, but I have a forge 1.18.2 server that gets an error "Unexpected packet received during server login process! 1ac7017n227472616e736c617465223a" There are no mods on the forge server

[reef fulcrum]

modern forge is unsupported

1ac, that byte sequence sounds like a kick

or maybe not, no idea what that is, either way, waterfall got a packet it wasn't expecting from the server

[tall sorrel]

is it supported on velocity or bungee?

[tall sorrel]

"Exception Connecting:QuietException : Unexpected packet received during server login process! 1ac7017n227472616e736c617465223a" is what it said exactly

[reef fulcrum]

No, modern forge is not supported by any proxy, bar 1 fork of waterfall but that requires a client mod

[tall sorrel]

will it ever be supported?

[reef fulcrum]

maybe

[craggy trout]

If forge protocol

[random oriole]

Hey,
What is the best way to get the name of the Server that the player has connected to when they join the proxy, I am using the PostLoginEvent with player.getServer().getInfo().getName(); but it's resolving to null.

[royal hawk]

Yea obviously, the proxy hasn’t decided on a server yet- this event is called just after authentication is complete and the player is created on the proxy
You need something later if you want that info

I think the earliest this can be done in bungee is the ServerConnectEvent

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @pallid pier: https://paste.gg/1f04ef8476d0458d85d3a4c764f4d363

[marble kelp]

@tidal musk are you connecting to the correct address?

[reef fulcrum]

"auto redirection"?

if you mean for an auth plugin as you're tryna show, ask the plugin author

I quoted that because it makes literally 0 sense towards what you're actually asking

[final trail]

hello
how i can use hex (any color) in waterfall config for motd?

[reef fulcrum]

xRRBBGG, with an & before each one, maybe

otherwise, use an motd plugin

[final trail]

thanks

[iron wren]

Uh

I just came back to my project and everything is broken?

Tried: mvn -U clean
any ideas?

[reef fulcrum]

file > repair IDE, assuming you can build with maven manually

[iron wren]

yh its still screwed after that

[reef fulcrum]

you went through all 6 steps?

[iron wren]

yeah

[reef fulcrum]

invalidate and restart, I guess

[iron wren]

what does invalidate mean?

[reef fulcrum]

in the file menu

[iron wren]

oh

[reef fulcrum]

Like, the IDE is clearly upset about the state of something

[iron wren]

yh

[reef fulcrum]

Either the project is bork or the caches are bork

[iron wren]

Still screwed

Could it be a problem with the dependency?

        <dependency>
            <groupId>io.github.waterfallmc</groupId>
            <artifactId>waterfall-api</artifactId>
            <version>1.18-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
            <scope>provided</scope>
        </dependency>

[reef fulcrum]

no

that's fine, you're the only person having issues and if you see, it's not just waterfall it's upset with

[iron wren]

ah fixed it

i removed oshi

thanks for the help

[gaunt breach]

How to proxy chain waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

unsupported

assuming you mean waterfall in waterfall, bungee added logic to prevent that which we've not had a compelling reason to remove

and, theres generally 0 sane reason to waterfall in waterfall

haproxy is generally a better decision for an external dumb proxy

[marble kelp]

if they aren't hardcoded then they could be in the message file (inside the jar, extract it and place it next to the jar to modify the messages)

[woeful canopy]

Hi

how can I change the messages that are displayed by waterfall?

[craggy trout]

What messages, you mean "messages.properties" or console logs.

[quick locust]

[09:33:36] [Server console handler/ERROR]: Caught previously unhandled exception :
java.io.IOError: java.io.IOException: Input/output error
    at org.jline.keymap.BindingReader.readCharacter(BindingReader.java:170) ~[jline-reader-3.20.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.keymap.BindingReader.readBinding(BindingReader.java:110) ~[jline-reader-3.20.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.keymap.BindingReader.readBinding(BindingReader.java:61) ~[jline-reader-3.20.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.reader.impl.LineReaderImpl.doReadBinding(LineReaderImpl.java:923) ~[jline-reader-3.20.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.reader.impl.LineReaderImpl.readBinding(LineReaderImpl.java:956) ~[jline-reader-3.20.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.reader.impl.LineReaderImpl.readLine(LineReaderImpl.java:651) ~[jline-reader-3.20.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.reader.impl.LineReaderImpl.readLine(LineReaderImpl.java:468) ~[jline-reader-3.20.0.jar:?]
    at net.minecrell.terminalconsole.SimpleTerminalConsole.readCommands(SimpleTerminalConsole.java:158) ~[terminalconsoleappender-1.3.0.jar:?]
    at net.minecrell.terminalconsole.SimpleTerminalConsole.start(SimpleTerminalConsole.java:141) ~[terminalconsoleappender-1.3.0.jar:?]
    at net.minecraft.server.dedicated.DedicatedServer$1.run(DedicatedServer.java:114) ~[purpur-1.18.2.jar:git-Purpur-1626]
Caused by: java.io.IOException: Input/output error
    at java.io.FileInputStream.read0(Native Method) ~[?:?]
    at java.io.FileInputStream.read(FileInputStream.java:228) ~[?:?]
    at org.jline.terminal.impl.AbstractPty$PtyInputStream.read(AbstractPty.java:73) ~[jline-terminal-3.21.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.utils.NonBlockingInputStream.read(NonBlockingInputStream.java:62) ~[jline-terminal-3.21.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.utils.NonBlocking$NonBlockingInputStreamReader.read(NonBlocking.java:168) ~[jline-terminal-3.21.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.utils.NonBlockingReader.read(NonBlockingReader.java:57) ~[jline-terminal-3.21.0.jar:?]
    at org.jline.keymap.BindingReader.readCharacter(BindingReader.java:160) ~[jline-reader-3.20.0.jar:?]
    ... 9 more

Any ideas?

[marble kelp]

@quick locust you input a wrong chracter into the terminal

or hm, potentially some other issue with the terminal input

[quick locust]

Had the Terminal opend via Putty, but was afk. 😮

[marble kelp]

maybe some connection issue sending random data or just aborting resulting in that error

[quick locust]

Idk what happend there, was just confused af to be honest, cause its the first time seeing this

[gray temple]

does waterfall support bungeecord plugins?

idk ive never used proxies, i want cross-server chat. is HuskChat good for this

[cyan skiff]

Waterfall is a BungeeCord fork

Anything that works on BungeeCord should work here.

[gray temple]

ok thanks

[woeful canopy]

all the messages that are displayed, like kick messages or messages like "you are already connected to the server"

[craggy trout]

Those are messages.properties logs, just copy them from upstream and edit them as you like

[craggy trout]

That error happens to me when i do control + c updating the proxy

[woeful canopy]

how do i do that?

[quick locust]

still got this message, even if i closed the terminal

Does anyone else had this error?

[reef fulcrum]

That's not waterfall (or paper)

The terminal basically disappeared

make sure that you're running the server in some form of multiplexer, otherwise, work out why the terminal derp

[quick locust]

I run it via screen

usually this works.

and ye sorry i know that its not waterfall, but was hoping for help anyway. 😄

[reef fulcrum]

best guess, use tmux

otherwise, work out why the pty died

[proud pollen]

can i send kyori components using waterfall?

[reef fulcrum]

built in, no; using the adventure platform sstuff, yes

[proud pollen]

how would i do that? im not familiar with doing adventure stuff besides built in

[reef fulcrum]

You would need to shade adventure into your own plugin on bungee, basically

[wise kite]

https://docs.adventure.kyori.net/

[nova cosmos]

Hi, where are the settings in forge server to allow waterfall? I cant find them and get unexpected packet message when trying to swap from lobby to forge server .

[reef fulcrum]

for 1.12 and below, you need sponge

[nova cosmos]

right now the test is on forge 1.18.2

lobby is on paper 1.18.2

[reef fulcrum]

modern forge doesn't work with any proxies

[nova cosmos]

boooo ok

lol

sponge 1.12 here i come!

That you for your rapid response 🙂

Does sponge run the same mods that forge does? Noob question i know 🙈

[reef fulcrum]

sponge is basically a mod

you install it on forge and it adds support for the bungee info forwarding stuff

[nova cosmos]

ohhhh

thank you!

So there isn't a way to put a forge 1.16.5 server in the network with waterfall?

[reef fulcrum]

no supported way

there was a fork of waterfall called lightfall but it needed a client mod

There is currently some work in progress to try to get proxy support for forge, but, is fun

[nova cosmos]

Ok awesome. Thank you for the info! First time setting up a proxy for mc 🙈

i wish there was a way to push the forge mod pack to people 😅 would make life so much more simple!

[little flax]

when i log out i come back in am in the same server, how do i disable this

i want it to send to the forced server

[royal hawk]

There’s a config option to force default server

[tidal musk]

I can’t join my server. Can someone help me? Here are the logs: https://mclo.gs/VECcQpQ

[solar kraken]

Hi how many cores can I use with Waterfall for each server?

Some say 1 core / 2 threats

The others say 2 cores or 3 even 4 I heard....

what is right?

[craggy trout]

Tmux is more epic for MC

[craggy trout]

Deppends on the network you have. + Players + usage you need.

[solar kraken]

1Gbit - 200 Player+ ?

[craggy trout]

What you mean 1gbit

[solar kraken]

network^^

[craggy trout]

BW usage?

[solar kraken]

BW?

[craggy trout]

bandwich usage

If you mean that, even 40 players use more than 1tb of traffic per month.

[solar kraken]

Why is this important? It doesn't matter if you use 1GB or 1TB per month (I have 30TB of traffic and probably won't use more than 200GB per month) 🙂

Or? 🤔

[craggy trout]

If you mean ram per player i would say that 0.6mb/player is good if you don't have heavy plugins on bungeecord.

So basicly 2.4gb > 200 players if you handle good the proxy plugins

[solar kraken]

If you mean ram per player, I'd say 0.6mb/player is good if you don't have heavy plugins on bungeecord.

Internet speed? Volume? Ram? Disk space

So basically 2.4gb > 200 players if you handle the proxy plugins well

2.4gb internet speed? Volume? Ram? Disk space

🥲 i dont understand sorry for all this questions 😦

[solar kraken]

again.... Maybe a other user know the answer here the Server Specs:
DEDICATED
AMD Ryzen ™️ 7 5700G
AMD Ryzen ™ 7 5700G @ 3.8GHz - 4.6GHz
(8 cores 16 threads)
64GB DDR4 RAM 2666MHz May also be 3200MHz don't know how to check this
2x 500GB NVMe and backup server
1Gbit/s uplink
30TB traffic
DDoS protection is also there

And here the type of Server:

Box Mining: Players can mine various blocks and exchange them for better armor/weapons/tools in the admin store

Players/mods/admin cannot build (map does not change).
Player/Mods/Admin cannot expand the world or edit it in any other way.
12 plugins are used which together consume as much as Dynamp.
Player/Mods/Admin can play PVP and PVE and mine 20 different types of blocks - that's it.

[craggy trout]

I mean RAM

Disk deppends on your plugins tho.

[craggy trout]

Spigot handles better for me the plugins, you can use it as cross-server with Mongo and redis so you don't load Waterfall. But is epic if you have 1gb/s of port, and a epic ryzen with 64gb of ram

Will work so good, and i hope your networks goes up

[solar kraken]

Thanks 🙂

[dry steeple]

Hi there, I’ve had a request from my network to run a fabric mod server on my network. Currently using waterfall and paper servers. Can I run a fabric server in the same network, using luckperms and securing it with bungee guard or equivalent?

[royal hawk]

I’m not aware of any mods that implement bungeeguard on fabric
If you’re able I’d recommend you to use Velocity which enjoys a lot higher level of fabric support

[pallid trellis]

Hiya, could anyone tell me how much bandwidth would waterfall need ?
If used "before" two servers needing 500 mbps each, would waterfall need 1000 mbps ?

(I read previous messages, and it says 1Gbit/s for 200 players, is it accurate ?)

[royal hawk]

Theoretically yes it’d need that, but I can hardly see one Waterfall instance able to handle that
Also those numbers are very unrealistic
That would require the server to constantly send a ton of chunk or entity data
It’s usually a lot less

[pallid trellis]

Oh I see, thank you
In my case, a player uses between 0.5 and 2 mbps in normal use (5 mbps when loading the map)
So if I had 20 servers, each 128 players (for a total of 20x128x2=5120 mbps)
How would I avoid waterfall lagging, would I have to use multiple waterfalls, with an IP redirection ?

[reef fulcrum]

RR DNS with multiple instances spread across various machines

[pallid trellis]

I see thank you
What good RR DNS solution would you recommend ? (cloudflare seems adequate)

[reef fulcrum]

RR DNS is a concept, you just have multiple DNS records for the same name entry

CF is generally my recommendation for a DNS provider but you don't need to switch

[pallid trellis]

I don't need to implement it, I just need to specify it in the DNS record ? (I'm rephrasing to be sure)

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

you just have multiple records for say, play.myprettyserver.com

A 123.123.123.123
A 123.123.123.124

[pallid trellis]

Yep yep, I read the wiki about it, but thought I had to implement it on a vps, didn't know the dns provider could load balance for me ahah

Thank you very much for the explanations !

Oh last question, what would be the threshold for one waterfall server ?
500 players, 1000, 2000 ?

[reef fulcrum]

honestly varies, especially on VPSes as they're not ultra amazing

you probs just wanna deploy a proxy or two and see where you end up, bonus points if you can setup a template to ez get stuff up and running or smth

[pallid trellis]

Yep thanks !
(for the templates I thought about docker, but it may be a little too heavy, I have to look into it)

[royal hawk]

Might be worth it to have dedis with multiple instances and HAProxy in front

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pallid trellis]

I mean my main concern is about bandwidth, that's why I thought about multiple VPS
But if waterfall player threshold is quite low I might have to put multiple instances on the same machine

yeah I'm mainly concerned about not having enough mbps

Anyway, thank you both (for your help and waterfall) Have a good day/night

[dry steeple]

Thanks. I suppose I have some testing to do. Cheers!

[nocturne kestrel]

Hi guys, I always get this error when I try to connect to my Bungee

I'm in 1.16.5 !

[hardy estuary]

generic error. make sure you're using the correct IP, and Port. Make sure the server is online

[nocturne kestrel]

Here's my Hub IP.

45.140.164.238:25567

Here's my complete config:

`server_connect_timeout: 5000
listeners:

• bind_local_address: true
  force_default_server: false
  forced_hosts:
  pvp.md-5.net: pvp
  host: 0.0.0.0:25565
  max_players: 1
  motd: '&1Another Bungee server'
  ping_passthrough: false
  priorities:
  • lobby
    proxy_protocol: false
    query_enabled: false
    query_port: 25565
    tab_list: GLOBAL_PING
    tab_size: 60
    remote_ping_cache: -1
    network_compression_threshold: 256
    permissions:
    admin:
  • bungeecord.command.alert
  • bungeecord.command.end
  • bungeecord.command.ip
  • bungeecord.command.reload
    default:
  • bungeecord.command.server
  • bungeecord.command.list
    log_pings: true
    connection_throttle_limit: 3
    prevent_proxy_connections: false
    timeout: 30000
    player_limit: -1
    ip_forward: true
    groups:
    md_5:
  • admin
    remote_ping_timeout: 5000
    connection_throttle: 4000
    log_commands: false
    stats: ea8ae091-d452-4b7f-8744-d9a9ff6a52f1
    online_mode: true
    forge_support: true
    disabled_commands:
• disabledcommandhere
  servers:
  lobby:
  address: 45.140.164.238:25567
  motd: '&1This server has super lightfall power - Forced Host'
  restricted: false
  `

[nocturne kestrel]

**up ! ** (please)

[reef fulcrum]

your config is mostly irrelevant

you're not even connecting to the proxy itself

also, lightfall, sus

check network setup, make sure that you have the correct port, if home hosting, check port fowarding, otherwise, check firewall, etc

[nocturne kestrel]

It's hosted on my VPS

https://www.ouiheberg.com/fr/

Lightfall is because I use Magma and Mohist

Network setup is ok

[reef fulcrum]

lightfall is not waterfall

if you're using a host and getting a connection refused, generally, speak to your host

if that's a self installed panel, er

[nocturne kestrel]

Yeah but I mean

I can still enter my servers..

Without passing by the bungee you know..

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, connection refused means that the thing you tried to connect to denied the connection

irrelevant

[nocturne kestrel]

The servers are all setup..

spawns... lobby... etc...

[reef fulcrum]

Which is irrelevant

you literally can't even connect to the proxy itself

so you're not even at the stage where anything behind that is relevant

either there is somethin blocking the connection, i.e. firewall; the network is configured, which, with docker, maybe try rebooting the thing, or, otherwise, misconfigured something somewhere

as said, you're literally not even sucessfully connecting to the proxy itself

[nocturne kestrel]

I really appreciate the help - I will talk about this with my helpers

Thanks a lot electro !!

[misty fern]

Hello who knows how I get that in the bungeecord that players are connected to lobby01 and lobby02? and not only with lobby01? So that also fallback server can go properly with us?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, you can put multiple servers in the priorites list and they'll "spill over", or, get a plugin which can load balance

[misty fern]

Do you know of a plugin?

[reef fulcrum]

no

[tidal musk]

**i am having a problem i cannot run the waterfall **
*Waterfall5.0>java -Xms1G -Xmx1G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=4 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=5 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=8M -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=15 -Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs/ -Daikars.new.flags=true -jar waterfall nogui

Error: Unable to access jarfile waterfall*
[processo terminato con codice 1 (0x00000001)]

[reef fulcrum]

Well, is your jar file called waterfall, or, waterfall.jar?

[tidal musk]

.jar

im a idiot

I did not notice that

query_port: 25577

??

[reef fulcrum]

what?

[tidal musk]

server_connect_timeout: 5000
remote_ping_cache: -1
forge_support: true
player_limit: -1
permissions:
default:

• bungeecord.command.server
• bungeecord.command.list
  admin:
• bungeecord.command.alert
• bungeecord.command.end
• bungeecord.command.ip
• bungeecord.command.reload
  timeout: 30000
  log_commands: false
  network_compression_threshold: 256
  online_mode: true
  disabled_commands:
• disabledcommandhere
  servers:
  lobby:
  motd: '&1Just another Waterfall - Forced Host'
  address: localhost:25565
  restricted: false
  listeners:

**- query_port: 25577**
motd: '&1Another Bungee server'
tab_list: GLOBAL_PING
query_enabled: false
proxy_protocol: false
forced_hosts:
pvp.md-5.net: pvp
ping_passthrough: false
priorities:

• lobby
  bind_local_address: true
  host: 0.0.0.0:25577
  max_players: 1
  tab_size: 60
  force_default_server: false
  ip_forward: false
  remote_ping_timeout: 5000
  prevent_proxy_connections: false
  groups:
  md_5:
• admin
  connection_throttle: 4000
  stats: 427b5697-3037-4f7f-96df-a81b1ce067cc
  connection_throttle_limit: 3
  log_pings: true

[reef fulcrum]

Okay, but, like

what about it?

[tidal musk]

What is the query port?

[reef fulcrum]

the port exposed for the query protocol

[tidal musk]

Do I leave it as it is?

[royal hawk]

It doesn’t matter since you have query disabled

So yes keep as is

[tidal musk]

What would "Query port" be what it is for

[reef fulcrum]

it would be for the query protocol

[tidal musk]

and what's the use?

[reef fulcrum]

querying the server

idk what all can be said, it's the query protocol which exposes some info, i.e. player counts, etc

[tidal musk]

uh, ok

I have a couple of questions.

1. The motd of the server what will be the one of the lobby?

[royal hawk]

No unless you enable ping pass through
You should really read the bungee config guide from spigotmc

[tidal musk]

2. In the line where it says "address: localhost: 25566" do I have to leave local host or do I put the server's ip?

[tidal musk]

help

[reef fulcrum]

it's the address of the server it's connecting to

as said, you should probably actually go read the docs on spigots website.

[tidal musk]

the waterfall doesn't work for me

[amber prairie]

[12:56:35 ERROR]:       at net.md_5.bungee.api.Favicon.create(Favicon.java:63)
[12:56:35 ERROR]:       at net.md_5.bungee.conf.Configuration.load(Configuration.java:85)
[12:56:35 ERROR]:       at io.github.waterfallmc.waterfall.conf.WaterfallConfiguration.load(WaterfallConfiguration.java:67)
[12:56:35 ERROR]:       at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCord.start(BungeeCord.java:279)
[12:56:35 ERROR]:       at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCordLauncher.main(BungeeCordLauncher.java:67)
[12:56:35 ERROR]:       at net.md_5.bungee.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:15)```

i am unable to start my proxy

[royal hawk]

Your server-icon.png is an incorrect file

[tidal musk]

help

/server

[tidal musk]

this respoce

[marble kelp]

well how did you grant yourself the permission?

[tidal musk]

From where?

[marble kelp]

ok well technically that permission should be granted by default. either you modified your config and removed it from the default permissions group or you installed a permissions plugin and didn't grant it (as most override the default perms from the config)

[tidal musk]

groups:
myname:

• admin

do you mean this?

[marble kelp]

just share your config and log please

[tidal musk]

i have luck perms

[marble kelp]

well then the second part of my sentence applies

[tidal musk]

that is?

[marble kelp]

"or you installed a permissions

plugin and didn't grant it (as most override the default perms from the config)"

[tidal musk]

and how can I give myself permission?

[marble kelp]

the luckperms docs go over that

I personally would recommend using the editor website

[tidal musk]

yes yes, but what is the name of the permit?

[calm ether]

as said eariler, read the manual on the spigotmc website

[tidal musk]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/spigot-plugin-development/

this?

[calm ether]

Are you developping a spigot plugin ?

[tidal musk]

no

i want the permission waterfall

[calm ether]

then search for the bungeecord wiki

[tidal musk]

default:

• bungeecord.command.server
• bungeecord.command.list
  admin:
• bungeecord.command.alert
• bungeecord.command.end
• bungeecord.command.ip
• bungeecord.command.reload

I found the permissions but it doesn't work D:

[calm ether]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/bungeecord/

[tidal musk]

not working

):

[marble kelp]

make sure you don't have some other plugin overriding that command

also luckperms has a verbose mode which lists all permission checks that were done while it was active

[gaunt breach]

I need my server Network split up over multiple Physical Machines in different Locations and i dont want to open all of the Sub-Server ports just one for a waterfall

I have 3 creative and 2 survival servers on Seperate Root Servers

[gaunt breach]

I don't have the option to run BungeeGuard or something similiar on some of them.

eg. really old version and one really new version, modloaders etc. etc.

Some other Ideas for my Case then maybe ?

[marble kelp]

@Luka setup a vpn

e.g. via tinc (if you want a very simple one)

[gaunt breach]

thats quite an idea..
but wont that kill my bandwidth / ping ?

how much overhead would that add

[marble kelp]

not any more than running them on multiple different servers to begin with

[young rampart]

I've tried that in the past and it honestly wasn't too bad

[marble kelp]

tinc and I would assume most vpns hook directly into linux' network rediraction capabalities. the overhead is the same as with any other network router (or even lower)

hell even container services like docker use that internally and I doubt anyone has ever noticed the overhead there

you will prodice more overhead by the physical connection between your different servers than by running a vpn

[tidal musk]

nop

i have this problem

[tidal musk]

help please

waterfall permission not working

[marble kelp]

provide your luckperms verbose output or contact their support if you need more help with luckperms itself

[grizzled sleet]

hi excuse me someone can tell me what I did wrong I use waterfall on the sponge server

[marble kelp]

take a look at/provide your log

you most likely have some network setup issue or an error on the target server itself which prevented the connection

[grizzled sleet]

this is my config

[tulip surge]

config.yml by @grizzled sleet: https://paste.gg/22a9393ced12451ead0a0cf260d58b0f

[tidal musk]

i want to ask something, cloaks appear on my server after 1-2 months, why shouldn't they appear instantly? i don't understand what is the problem

[young rampart]

what do you mean with cloaks?

[tidal musk]

cape are not showing on my server, loading too late

[marble kelp]

what does this have to do with waterfall and what do you mean by "cloak"?

[grizzled sleet]

?

[craggy trout]

epic and understandable chat

[terse cosmos]

Is it possible to link waterfall proxy to a fabric server in 1.18.2 ?

i tried to connect to the server but it won't connect me

[marble kelp]

there is a fabric mod that allows that, FabricProxy iirc

[terse cosmos]

ill retry but it didn't worked

[marble kelp]

what error are you getting?

[royal hawk]

fabricproxy has been discontinued

fabricproxy-lite exists but that only supports velocity (or velocity forwarding mode)

[thorn cypress]

so:
I have a "ghost" server. I have never created and cannot connect.
I think it's because of this config element. Can I somehow delete it?

(please ping me on response as i will answer very delayed if not done)

[royal hawk]

You can delete it
Just make sure the config line it was on stays empty

[thorn cypress]

It get's regenerated if I do it like this. Is that wrong?

[royal hawk]

Yes it will regenerate it
Leave at least one line empty after the : and make sure the empty line has no spaces or tabs

This is a bug that stems from the wrong line endings being used internally in the bungee configuration library
Sadly touching it breaks too many plugins so this bug is here to stay

[thorn cypress]

It still does it. I have double checked it if I understand the message right
(no spaces in the line on image)

[royal hawk]

I might be confusing this with configurate
Does it still happen if you leave the same amount of spaces on the empty line as were here before the word lobby?

[thorn cypress]

so del everything exept this marked area but not worked

[royal hawk]

I assume it keeps regenerating because you have lobby defined in the listener priorities

[thorn cypress]

here?

[royal hawk]

Yes

[thorn cypress]

can I delete that line to completely?

[royal hawk]

Yes but I’m not sure if bungee is capable of working without at least one server defined in the config

You can try

[thorn cypress]

again regenerated. Could it be something with the spacing?

[royal hawk]

One more thing you can try before I’m out of ideas
Put servers: at the top of the config with no empty lines separating it from the rest below

[thorn cypress]

like this? And leave the priorities untouched?

(it deleted the server at top and regenerated normally)

[royal hawk]

No, remove the line

• lobby
  And make sure the line after priorities: is not empty

[thorn cypress]

like this ( and the one space at priorities)

[royal hawk]

At this point you may as well upload your config

[wise kite]

Please send large files/logs to a pastebin

[thorn cypress]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/82fc585ed34349efb4a9eee63a8c00fa

[royal hawk]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/0d09362805dc4a8eaf90f788f3ec6461 try this

[thorn cypress]

still doesn't work

[royal hawk]

Then I’m out of ideas

[thorn cypress]

hm i'l try around a little. Thanks a lot for youre time

[teal kernel]

Hey, is there any way to change the shutdown/restart message for waterfall?

[reef fulcrum]

yes, grab the messages.properties file from the jar and place it in the folder where you run the proxy

then you can modify it

[teal kernel]

grab the file from the jar?

how do I do that?

[reef fulcrum]

unzip the jar

or open it with an archive utility, 7zip, winrar, etc

[teal kernel]

got it, thanks!

another question, is there a way to add multiple lines to a message?

[reef fulcrum]

either \n works or it doesn't, basically

[teal kernel]

lemme try

working! thanks

[misty fern]

Hello how does it work exactly with the lobbies? That I have Lobby01 and Lobby02 and that the players are connected without problems on any of the servers? Because the way we had it now is always a problem appeared

[marble kelp]

@misty fern what kind of problems?

[keen ridge]

On my server the command suggestions appear only in the lobby, when they go to other servers only the ones from bungeecord appear
How do I enable command suggestions on other servers?

[misty fern]

So when a player connects everything works but with some players he tries to connect them somehow to Lobby01 and Lobby02 or only Lobby01.

[reef fulcrum]

Command suggestions are sourced from the server themselves, so, check that

[dapper quail]

Could not connect to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall? io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException

what could be the problem?

I set up everything

[reef fulcrum]

All we can really tell you is that it failed to connect, as the message says

if ptero, see the pins

if hosting a hosting provider, ask them for support

[dapper quail]

thanks

[dapper quail]

I just hadn't put the correct port

sorry

[craggy trout]

Yeah, as the error said

I don't think Waterfall is going to fail otherwise given that case, without that being the case.

[polar gate]

I can't join my server because sessionserver.mojang.com is no longer in use? Is there a new sessionserver?

[reef fulcrum]

That is the session server

[polar gate]

But somehow the server can't reach it? (network is working fine)

[01.06 20:26:38.752] INFO: [Proxy-1] Caused by: io.netty.channel.unix.Errors$NativeIoException: sendToAddress(..) failed: Das Netzwerk ist nicht erreichbar

[reef fulcrum]

stale DNS?

if you keep having issues, disable netty dns in waterfall.yml

[polar gate]

The address resolves to 52.222.251.216 is this right?

[reef fulcrum]

the IP changes

[polar gate]

yes but is it the right ip for today?

[reef fulcrum]

It changes

regionally

periodically

[polar gate]

oh

[reef fulcrum]

https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/sessionserver.mojang.com

[polar gate]

This worked. Thanks 👍

[dusk perch]

Can you change the messages and/or the colors of Waterfall responses possibly?

[reef fulcrum]

whatever is in the messages file

(grab a copy of it from the jar or something)

[dusk perch]

Ah, okay, thank you!

One more thing, can you disable the /bungee command somehow?

[reef fulcrum]

If there isn't a perm, without a plugin to forcefully unregister it, no

[dusk perch]

Darn, okay. Thanks :)

[ancient aurora]

why don`t startup waterfall server???

[young rampart]

you are missing -jar before the jar

so java -Xmx1G -Xmx1G -jar waterfall-1.18-486.jar nogui

[ancient aurora]

i tryed running so other directory... sorry (I`m Japanese,and Linux beginner).

[craggy trout]

bruh

[young rampart]

No problem :)

[clever copper]

Latest waterfall version does not load

[marble kelp]

well according to the log it loaded

check if it's crashed in your panel

(also there is no need to give the procy 1.5GB of memory

[silk bane]

Is there a way to display tab completion of commands only if the player has the permission for the command? I know how to do this for bukkit commands but no idea if this is even possible with bungee commands

[reef fulcrum]

that should be the default behavior?

[silk bane]

Oh, I'll mess around with my configuration then

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, do note that we can't hide commands which have already been sent, so that entire thing will only be updated when the backend server sends the command list to the client

[peak hedge]

I just installed waterfall 1.12 and i have these errors

[20:32:09 WARN]: Could not load plugin from file modules/cmd_find.jar
java.lang.NullPointerException: Plugin must have a plugin.yml or bungee.yml
        at com.google.common.base.Preconditions.checkNotNull(Preconditions.java:787) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]
        at net.md_5.bungee.api.plugin.PluginManager.detectPlugins(PluginManager.java:379) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]
        at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCord.start(BungeeCord.java:267) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]
        at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCordLauncher.main(BungeeCordLauncher.java:56) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]
        at net.md_5.bungee.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:15) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]
[20:32:09 WARN]: Could not load plugin from file modules/reconnect_yaml.jar
java.lang.NullPointerException: Plugin must have a plugin.yml or bungee.yml
        at com.google.common.base.Preconditions.checkNotNull(Preconditions.java:787) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]
        at net.md_5.bungee.api.plugin.PluginManager.detectPlugins(PluginManager.java:379) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]
        at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCord.start(BungeeCord.java:267) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]
        at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCordLauncher.main(BungeeCordLauncher.java:56) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]
        at net.md_5.bungee.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:15) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.12-SNAPSHOT:5d7d07e:185]

Any idea ?

[reef fulcrum]

Update waterfall

pretty much 0 reason to use such an old build

[peak hedge]

1.18 versions work for every versions or ?

(Kinda new to bungeecord stuff)

I got my response

Thanks sorry for the dumb questions

[upper yacht]

I just changed out bungeecord for waterfall as I was told it supports forge servers. I have a issue when trying to connect to the lobby server through pixelmon client.
disconnected with:
The lobby server was not available, so you have been kicked from the network
UpstreamBridge has disconnected
Any idea on how I could fix this or?

[marble kelp]

depends on your actual setup and issue

but forge aboe 1.12 is not really supported

velocity might work better, not sure

[reef fulcrum]

do note that if you came from bungee you'll need to enable forge support in config.yml as bungee disables that by default, also ^

pretty much no proxy supports 1.13+ forge, only lightfall which requires a client mod

1.12.2 and below really boils down on the mods, some work, not all do

disabling entity metadata rewriting in waterfall.yml can help fix some stuff

[royal hawk]

The servermod and plugin combination adde made for velocity has my “approval”
It works- and is probably the only real working measure you can reasonably consider

[mortal scaffold]

You can keep tabs of https://github.com/PaperMC/Velocity/pull/690 if you need it for Pixelmon

I updated that thread recently since we know there's proxy usage cases above 1.13+

[mortal scaffold]

and it does work for Pixelmon proxies with that Velocity

If you haven't seen my comment yet, thought I'd mention so you know

You can always forward them to discord.gg/pixelmon if they have any further Pixelmon-related questions, but proxies from that PR will work

[upper yacht]

I found out I had Viaforward and not along with Viabackward plugin on my lobby server so it wouldn't connect. Installed Viabackward and it allowed me to log onto the lobby & pixelmon server

[mortal scaffold]

Yep, though that likely won't work with clients on 9.0.1 (our latest)

[craggy trout]

https://github.com/ArclightPowered/lightfall

Needs a mod on client side, but still cool.

[mortal scaffold]

It's the same thing essentially, any fix will need a client side component. I personally don't think we should be settling for a universal mod to fix proxying, but at least Lightfall offers an alternative

[craggy trout]

Well, is cool if you use Waterfall and you need it!

[gaunt breach]

How to change the default proxy restarting message

[craggy trout]

messages.properties of BungeeCord.

Copy them from the upstream, and just create the file

[gaunt breach]

thx

[vernal arch]

bruh. Im using waterfall latest version and using petrodactyl panel when i try to stop the server using the button it says "this command does not exist" i need to kill the server to stop/restart it

Figured it out by reading the past chats-!

[iron wren]

Hey, is there any way to run waterfall without any servers in the config? Like just wait for a plugin to send the player somewhere? Thanks

[royal hawk]

No; there is not. I checked a few days ago. But plugins should be more than capable of unregistering any servers set by the config and then registering the ones it wants itself

[iron wren]

Yeah, its just for the original login

[royal hawk]

Wdym original login?

[iron wren]

I think what I will do is have a hypixel limbo type thing running locally on the server and the proxy points to that as the only server and you should only ever be there a fraction of a second

[iron wren]

So that the server can start

[royal hawk]

Unless you modify the proxy it will not work

[iron wren]

it cant start without any servers right

[royal hawk]

It can start without any but it will generate the default lobby server and address if you do

[iron wren]

Yeah

[craggy trout]

That thing that detects if you're afk? and sends you to an limbo for some time

They are some plugins that do that, but is better to integrate natively on proxy

[dusk perch]

How can I stop these messages from appearing? https://fwoostyhub.com/🚀📀🏹🐥

[turbid vapor]

Could anyone help me understand the differences between Waterfall, Velocity and Bungee? I'm currently using Bungeecord and just noticed that there was a fork!

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall is a fork of bungee

velocity is a new proxy based on the lessons of bungee/maintaining waterfall

[turbid vapor]

I have some custom written plugins for Bungee, would they still work on Velocity?

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

Wait

no

brain short circuit

[civic garnet]

😂

[reef fulcrum]

Velocity is an entirely new ecosystem

compat with bungees API would be dumb

[civic garnet]

In simple words velocity seems to be the best proxy for you to have

[reef fulcrum]

There is a plugin for velocity called snap which can kiiiinda bridge the gap, but, misses out a chunk of functionaility/is experimental

[civic garnet]

Its mostly rewritten and has no suppot for bungee plugins by default

so your custom plugins would not work at all, unless u make the dev recode them

pay the dev!!!!

[turbid vapor]

I wrote it myself, but it's pretty simple, it just connects to my websites websocket and sends events so perhaps its worth remaking it so that it works on Velocity

[craggy trout]

Seems a DDoS/dos

Add a logfilter or compile waterfall avoiding that log of handlerboss of bungeecord

I can help you to solve the attack if you want i guess

[dusk perch]

No chance it’s a ddos since it’s just running off a dedicated for a few devs… erm

The ping is fine too, nothing similar to a ddos… how would I just remove the log overall?

[tidal musk]

good evening, I need a hand, I have waterfall, I am doing a community I try to open a server spigot 1.8.8 but it does not let me open it is this normal?

waterfall support spigot version 1.8.8?

i know i need to do a bedwars

only when I start the server 1.8.8 starts, when I try to log in, many errors start

the error exit me on the console server 1.8.8 however the server is installed correctly

i have java 8

openjdk-8-jdk is already the newest version (8u312-b07-0ubuntu1~20.04).
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
libutempter0 openjdk-11-jdk-headless openjdk-11-jre
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 166 not upgraded.
root@vps-zap935923-1:~#

yes 2s

there are many strings now I send them all to you

@tidal musk i send all logs

why exit me this?

yes

i have installed java 8 con my linux

openjdk version "11.0.15" 2022-04-19

I get out like this but if I do this command sudo apt-get install openjdk-8-jdk

it tells me that java 8 is installed

ok thy don't worry

[dusk perch]

@tidal musk are you running this on your local pc?

[tidal musk]

Hi, would you like to support the waterfall server?

[wise kite]

Don't ask to ask.

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.

[tidal musk]

sorry

I'm using a waterfall server, but I can't connect
(Even if you connect with localhost)
When I asked other people, it was said that the settings were correct.
So I was able to start and connect with another person's computer
What should I do now?

[reef fulcrum]

Make sure that the host in the waterfall listener is set to 0.0.0.0

otherwise, need more info, "can't connect", why not?

[tidal musk]

ok

[tidal musk]

It was impossible
When I try to connect, it says "connection refused no further information"

I was able to connect to the server when I started it on another person's computer

I tried various things, but it was impossible.

[reef fulcrum]

connection refused either generally means that nothing was running on the thing you tried to connect to (bad config/wrong IP), or, firewall

[tidal musk]

The firewall has been set

[reef fulcrum]

I mean

thus far I've said 4 things

you've answered to 2 of them

[tidal musk]

The server configuration is correct
Because it was made on another person's computer

I've answered four questions with this
What question are you not answering?

[reef fulcrum]

Well, what's your waterfall config, what did you set the host config to?

the server config is correct

How am I to know that?

it was made on another person's computer

Literally irrelevant to anything I've said

I've seen people configure stuff in stupid manners which it breaks when moved, or their router reboots, etc

"it worked on another machine" means literally nothing, glhf

[tidal musk]

Should I show you config.yml?

It is the setting I made

and server

[tidal musk]

I restarted the router but couldn't connect to the server.
The same message as before comes out

Even if I asked someone who is familiar with the minecraft server, it was said that the settings were correct.

[unkempt girder]

No one here can help you unless you provide more information

Saying that "something is correct" is meaningless

[reef fulcrum]

I never said to restart the router

Like, clearly what I'm saying at this point is either being lost in translation or misread

"X a person said my config was correct" - gives me literally nothing to go off, many issues "it's configured right", the issue was it wasn't configured right

My heads killing me and I'm not feeling all that inclined to try and drag info out

[clear wraith]

Hi 👋 Can anyone tell me why waterfall disables proxy autocompletion of plugins? I realy need the plugin-autocompletion

[royal hawk]

Proxy what? You need to be a bit more clear

[clear wraith]

I mean if I have a plugin on the Waterfall proxy, I can't tab this in-game

For example, the Modularbungee system. I can't tab the commands.

[royal hawk]

The plugin has to support tab-completion

Other than that I’m not sure what you mean

[clear wraith]

The plugin supports autocompletion

Otherwise I wouldn't ask xD

That's the problem

[royal hawk]

Which plugin are we talking about

Since bungee doesn’t support normal brigadier this is a lot harder to wrap my head around

[clear wraith]

modularbungee

and other plugins*

The autocompletion has usually always worked before, but I have not used waterfall for about half a year

[royal hawk]

I can’t check that since it’s a paid plugin.
Waterfall doesn’t interfere with any of this out of the box so I assume it’s due to other plugins

Also to note

Tab completion of playernames is usually not am indicator of a plugin supporting tab completion

[clear wraith]

I only have ViaVersion, ViaBackwards, Luckperms and Modularbungee on my proxy

I don't mean player names, the whole commands can't even be tabbed

[royal hawk]

And your server version is 1.12.2 or older?

[clear wraith]

1.16-1.18

[royal hawk]

If that’s a yes then you have an issue with ViaVersion

[clear wraith]

but lobby is 1.18.2

[royal hawk]

Then I assume that plugin never supported tab completion

Tab completion on newer versions requires the command to be a brigadier command

[clear wraith]

The plugin Supports that!!!

Btw

Read the plugin desc

[royal hawk]

I have an idea then
Remove the other plugins form waterfall and see if it still happens
If yes try the same on normal bungeecord.
If it doesn’t happen then please open an issue on GitHub

[clear wraith]

Ok

Thanks^^

[tidal musk]

Sorry,I uploaded the data on my server to Google Drive.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ONeyF_5DJCc45IHD8J7CvRyBCrMtrh_c?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ONeyF_5DJCc45IHD8J7CvRyBCrMtrh_c?usp=sharing
This is a server for paperMC and waterfall.

[tidal musk]

My current situation is that I have two paperMC and waterfall servers, and when paperMC is running by itself, I can connect, and when I have a waterfall server, I can't connect to the paperMC server. "Connection refused no" "further information" will appear.
I was told not to install the plug-in, so I didn't install it.
I haven't set anything other than the required settings on the waterfall server.

[tidal musk]

I made a mistake in reading
For the port settings, I set the firewall and other than that, I set the security software.
Also, there is server data on the Google drive, so please check confing.yml.

I will confirm it for the time being.
The setting to connect to waterfall
paperMC
■ server.properties: online-mode = false
■ server.properties: server-port = 20000
■ spigot.yml: bungeecord: true
■ paper.yml: bungee-online-mode: true
waterfall
■ config.yml: ip_forward: true
It ’s just
Also servers: in config.yml, right?

[tidal musk]

I don't know what server information I need, so can you tell me?

[marble kelp]

if it can't connect and your IPs and ports are configured correctly then there is a networking setup issue

[tidal musk]

You can connect with other paperMC servers

[vernal arch]

So im new to these proxy stuffs.
Idk why my console getting spammed by
(random ips) -> initial handler has pinged

also if install geyser in my proxy and i dont need to install it on my backened servers right?

[hollow dock]

Is there a good waterfall guide online anywhere? (a good start: https://docs.papermc.io/waterfall)

[reef fulcrum]

Not that I'm aware of

Like, for the most part, you just configure the host, add the servers you want, setup the servers themselves, and generally use a sane perm plugin on it

[hollow dock]

Thanks electro! I'll figure it out 🙂

[tidal musk]

I will elaborate on my settings etc.

1. [paperMC side]
   ■ server.properties: online-mode = false
   ■ server.properties: server-port = 20000
   ■ spigot.yml: bungeecord: true
   ■ paper.yml: bungee-online-mode: true

[Waterfall side]
■ config.yml: ip_forward: true
■ config.yml: Enter the required information in servers:

2. I set the firewall and security software to open port TCP 25565.

3. Verify that you have an IPv4 address in PowerShell.

4. I checked the specs again.
   CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
   RAM: 32GB

I confirmed that again.
Is my machine bad?

Even with this setting, I cannot connect to the server and it comes out like this "Connection refused: no further information"
This connects to the server by typing localhost: 25565, but the same thing happens.

[final bloom]

hey! Do you know how I can disable the complete tab in waterfall? I tried putting tab_complete: -1 or: 0 but it doesn't seem to work. (waterfall 488)

[reef fulcrum]

That's basically not supported these days

1. the command structure is sent to clients, so, outside of not sending the command (which, is automatically done if they don't have perms to run it), they're gonna see it

2. don't punish your players, it's just shitty UX

[final bloom]

I need the opposite. I would like to remove some commands from the tab suggestions because players can't use them anyway. Should I perhaps set the permissions (which currently aren't there) to false?

[craggy trout]

Basicly. A bungee stresser or a joinbot idk, if did not Crash youre good with disabling pings