waterfall-help

[reef fulcrum]

So, the server is decoding a packet it was sent

[compact portal]

oh

can like some plugin fix this or should i start removeing all and add em 1 by 1 so that i can check which plugin was doing that?

[reef fulcrum]

no, yes

[compact portal]

oohkayy

one more thing and i am gone uuh this only happens to several people

not for everyone

[compact portal]

why on latest Waterfall this still exists smh

[09:28:05 INFO]: _DeathNote lost connection: Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: java.io.IOException: Bad packet id 49

[zinc lily]

_DeathNote sent a bad packet?

that's not a waterfall issue

that's something with their client

[compact portal]

they use Vanilla client

and the thing i this only happens on 1 server

nowhere else

[tidal trellis]

hi guys

WARNING Forced host server pvp is not defined

what can i do ?

[tidal musk]

you have a forced host pointing to a non-existent server

it's probably the default, remove the forced host pvp.md-5.net: pvp

[tidal trellis]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/864bbad6320c46dfb280061d519f3348

[tidal musk]

you have a formatting error

put a space between address: and the ip

[tidal trellis]

can you explain yourself better please?

[tidal musk]

line 49

address:<ip>:25565

put a space between address: and the ip

[tidal trellis]

hi

Look this

[tough vale]

Please read the message.

side note, online-mode=true pls

[tidal trellis]

Is offline server

For sp player and premium player

[tidal musk]

offline mode isn't supported here

glhf

[tidal trellis]

?

[tough vale]

but also read the message, it tells you how to fix it.

[tidal trellis]

How can i join with 1.17.1

[marble kelp]

use a 1.17.1 compatible build

[tidal trellis]

I use viacersion

Why another player cant move ?

[nocturne fog]

You still need a waterfall version that supports 1.17

Waterfall supports 1.8-1.17

Just update it

[tidal trellis]

Link?

[nocturne fog]

.downloads

[marble kelp]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[tidal trellis]

how can i configurate waterfall?

[nocturne fog]

.docs

[marble kelp]

https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

[nocturne fog]

There is a meager waterfall section, else the bungee docs. They're mostly the same

[tidal trellis]

how can i alow the 1.17?

[tidal trellis]

?

[zinc lily]

automatically does that, and viaversion config

[tidal trellis]

How can i config vivaversion?

i upload paper…. And vivaversion?

[tidal musk]

sorry but youve already said you're running an offline mode server which is a nightmare so

use google and the BungeeCord docs to set it up

good luck

[tidal trellis]

Ty

[tidal musk]

can you change the message that says if you wish to use ip forwarding use please enable it in your bungeecord as well

i am using waterfall and paper

[reef fulcrum]

No

nor should you be changing that

[tidal musk]

i was thinking maybe to change it to join with new_ip not old_ip

[reef fulcrum]

That message is literally "You have left an exploit vector" open

No

ideally you shove the proxy on your old IP, move the server over to the new IP

[tidal musk]

okay thanks

[waxen sorrel]

I have a few raspberry pis. One of them is a pi zero w, now would that run a waterfall proxy? I doubt it could handle a paper server

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, probably, it's not gonna be a high player count beast but it will work

[waxen sorrel]

Is it possible to run the proxy with 256mb of allocated ram?

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[waxen sorrel]

Awesome thanks

[reef verge]

Hey what are the commands on waterfall for restart and closing?

[nocturne fog]

/end

[shut cape]

you cant restart it afaik

[reef verge]

but if I want to start it again if it is closed?

start?

thanks anyways

[shut cape]

yes

[reef verge]

Last Question what are these Modules by Waterfall and where I can see what of modules are existing

[reef fulcrum]

they're basically just pre-bundled plugins

(or, well, default downloaded)

[reef verge]

ok thanks

Gives a Auto Updater for Waterfall Out there?

[reef fulcrum]

not hard to do if you can write script files but not something we support, the downloads API makes it doable

[reef verge]

ok thanks

What are the pixel for are Server Image. My Image that I am Using in Velocity are now in the lift top and not over all in waterfall.

How I can center them and make them larger. standard Image like minecraft it likes

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, it's a standard png file

the client has been known for years to have random stupid issues rendering that stuff in the server list

beyond that, I have no idea what you're going on about

[reef verge]

What I mean is this why do Waterfall that?

Thats not cool I want it full and that image have 64x64 pixel have waterfall a other format?

[surreal stream]

No, waterfall uses a size of 64x64 pixel, a image type of png and it's called "server-icon.png".

[surreal stream]

but u can also write german, if u want. I'm german too. xD

[reef fulcrum]

This is an english discord

Issues like that have been long standing issues with the client, waterfall has no control over what the client does with it

all it does is serialise the png in the exact same way the vanilla server does

[surreal stream]

oh didn't knew

oops ping

sorry :(

[reef verge]

This is an exact 64x64 png the backend serves are under Pupur. And it works under Verlocity without problems.. Can make waterfall that?

Or Have i do something false?

[reef fulcrum]

The vanilla server can create such issues too

We have no idea what causes it

[reef verge]

@surreal stream Thanks I am German too but you see we can´t write here in that langue cause rules of that discord.

Ha damn thanks anyways

[royal hawk]

Change the color palette/encoding and slightly change at least one pixel
This is a known bug with the OpenGL renderer used here. It’s stupid but I don’t think it’ll be fixed anytime soon

[reef fulcrum]

gg

[tribal creek]

on bungeecord
you have the same uuid on all servers?

and if its offline?

how verify what uuid i have?

[royal hawk]

Only if you use ip-forwarding and online-mode enabled on bungeecord
Anything else really is unsupported and may or may not produce mixed results

[tribal creek]

hmm i think the bungeecord saves your uuid

as long as you have the same bungeecord

the uuid never change

[royal hawk]

Yes, but that UUID may not make it to the server if you don’t have forwarding enabled

[tribal creek]

yeah that too

so the answer is the uuid dosent change if this thinks are respected

[royal hawk]

But, and this is where it gets confusing, if you don’t forward the UUID its inconsistent because bungeecord hacks the protocol to fix skins

To prevent that disable tablist-rewriting and disable entity-meta-rewriting in the waterfall.yml

[tribal creek]

how luckperms work with skinrestorer?

[royal hawk]

Probably like any other plug-in that needs permissions?

[tribal creek]

noted

[reef fulcrum]

!ban @stiff wasp scam

[kindred parrot]

:raised_hands: Banned TheLeerName#4126 (scam) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.

[naive sky]

Hey, when I start the proxy server, it spams this:

encountered exception: net.md_5.bungee.util.QuietException: Unexpected packet received during login process! 4f5354202f20485454502f312e310d0a

[royal hawk]

Full log please

.paste

[marble kelp]

Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg

[fallen tundra]

Hello from what It looking like to be I have everything setup correctly for my Creative server. However, when ever starting up the proxy it does not seem to register the server. I have tried a few worlds with the same result, It seems like no matter what I do it doesnt want to notice I added the second server in. The first server on this list always works, no matter what I change it too. Its just that second+ slot that I cant get to work.

Here is a pastebin of my log and config. https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/c6b75ba2b75c40b8a9ea801ed3402128

[royal hawk]

You sure it isn’t multicraft undoing your changes? Start the proxy, change the config and then /greload
If that works then it’s most likely multicraft

[fallen tundra]

Thank you I will try that right now.

[fallen tundra]

That did it, I did get a warning.

The only other issue I am having is I am not able to use the /server command even as an OP, It just says this command does not exists. I have been trying to use this on my Hub to attach to Citizens NPC's to send the player to the correct realm.

For more details, The console is registering the command /server creative as /serverCreative but nothing triggers. In game it says the command /server does not exists.

Actually I notice none of the Waterfall/Bungee commands work on my Hub is there another plugin I am suppose to have on each server?

[royal hawk]

Yea you’d need a plug-in for that. The commands are only available to players connected through the proxy normally

[fallen tundra]

Any suggestions? The goal is simply to have players be able to access the /server command on the Server Hub, so they can go to to proper server when it is ran from a Citizens NPC? Everything I am finding is very out of date. I am running Paper 1.17.1.

[storm token]

Why does the bat file not do anything?

it just immediately pauses

[tidal musk]

No error message or anything?

[storm token]

nope.

I will post the cmd line

literally just that.

[royal hawk]

I recommend you reinstall Java https://adoptium.net
Use java 16/17 and download the .msi version. Also while installing take extra care to select advanced options and enable set JAVA_HOME
That should fix it

[storm token]

ok I'll try that

[storm token]

that actually fixed it

I was skeptical but dang, thanks a lot

[royal hawk]

[hazy compass]

Q: I am dumb, have never touched bungeecord/waterfall before. Is there an extensive guide on how to set it all up for a first time user?

Not unfamiliar with Paper or MC servers in general, but i've never set up a bungeecord/waterfall serverset before.

Looking for some basic pointers.

[zinc lily]

bungeecord's setup guide is good enough

[rough warren]

Yes and DO NOT skip any steps

Specially the firewall one

[remote pawn]

unexpected packet received during login process when trying to connect to latest snapshot server?

[marble kelp]

pretty sure there is no real snapshot support

[reef fulcrum]

upstream added support for it

[marble kelp]

isn't that more of a "we hope this works" kind of support though? xD

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, you can't use ip forwarding with it unless you use vanillacord

probs

[remote pawn]

now i get multiplayer.disconnect.incompatible when connecting

[rugged turret]

uhh

soo waterfall is broken

bungee loads

but

players cant connect

[nocturne fog]

what happens when they try?

[rugged turret]

java.io.ioException

forcibly closed by remote host

[nocturne fog]

check waterfall's log, but, more than likely not a waterfall configuration issue. Check your firewall

[reef fulcrum]

closed by remote host means that something closed the connection in an unexpected manner, generally after it was established in some form, check logs of proxy and server, etc

[steep topaz]

Hi, so i added the ip and ports of the servers i want Waterfall to redirect me to when i join the Waterfall Server.
This is Waterfall's Congif.yml: https://paste.lucko.me/T2Iu57B4lB
I enabled BungeeCord in both servers files too

[zealous wagon]

Hey, how can I change these messages

[odd hatch]

Modify the Waterfall source code, I don't think there's an easy way to change that one.

[zealous wagon]

What about this, I have it set up so my SMP sends everyone to a holding server when its down, but when i join on my bedrock account, it does this

19.10 00:01:36 [Server] INFO [floodgate]: Floodgate player logged in as B_RbxAtimoss disconnected
19.10 00:01:36 [Server] INFO [Geyser-BungeeCord]: RbxAtimoss has disconnected from the Java server because of Read timed out.
19.10 00:01:36 [Server] INFO [/76.18.121.138:0|B_RbxAtimoss] -> UpstreamBridge has disconnected
19.10 00:01:36 [Server] ERROR io.netty.handler.timeout.ReadTimeoutException
19.10 00:01:37 [Server] INFO [Geyser-BungeeCord]: Bedrock user with ip: /76.18.121.138 has disconnected for reason CLOSED_BY_REMOTE_PEER

[zinc lily]

connection issue on client end

[shut cape]

maybe ask geyser? or that^

[celest tide]

tab_list: GLOBAL_PING is only showing players on the local server for me

[calm ether]

this option doesn't work afaik

[celest tide]

What are my options then?

And why did I get it by default if it's no longer active?

[calm ether]

because it has never been changed, but i'm 99% sure it doesnt work for years

maybe some plugins like bungeetablistplus does implement that

[celest tide]

Okay thank you

[tidal musk]

this has your public ip fyi

might wanna edit that out

[marble kelp]

don't worry, IRC never forgets

[tidal musk]

the amount of people leaking their ips or their servers' unprotected ips here is funny

but in pterodactyl discord

stg every other support request has someones public facing ip in it

[zealous wagon]

Das not mi ip :p

[tidal musk]

well its someone's

🤷

[zealous wagon]

Its my account but it aint my ip

But anyway having someones ip out isn’t that big of a deal honestly

[tidal musk]

well seems to be a residential ip anyway so

[tidal musk]

probably not here but yes it is, opens you up to all kinds of stuff

[zealous wagon]

Realistically if you only have a ip, you can’t do jack shert

[tidal musk]

i mean you can find where someone lives (roughly), false report them for abuse to isp, and all sorts of other stuff

not to mention it opens up an attack surface

best idea is not to leak any public facing ips if possible

[zealous wagon]

Possible, but quite unlikely unless you piss off some random anarchy player

[zealous wagon]

Its not real

[tidal musk]

its way more likely than you think

vulnerabilities such as nat traversal are pretty common in equipment that's not up to date, especially older routers and the such

some very basic explanation

just fyi

[zealous wagon]

Ik, I used to play a lot of 2b2t, and honestly it isn’t super often, but it can happen

[wise patio]

If I have for example 2 proxies, player A conencts to proxy 1 and player B connects to proxy 2, is it possible to create /gtp or /gmsg plugin across 2 proxies?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean

at the end of the day, it all boils down to data; if you can get the two proxy instances to talk to each other in a way that allows for the data for that type of stuff to work, yes, 100%

[marble kelp]

I totally didn't finish a plugin recently which simplifies that by a lot 👀

[marble wraith]

is there aany easy tutorial or way of setting up DNS switcher for minecraft?
i want multiple bungees and DNS switcher based on ip/ping...

i looked at kong gatewawy and i dont see a way to make it work with geolocation/ping...

aany ideas?

[tidal musk]

dns switcher?

[marble wraith]

dns load balancer or whatever
i want people from EU to be pushed to EU bungee...

[marsh dagger]

Hello,

Why when I try to modify the global MOTD which is located at the bottom, my server takes into account the MOTD of my first server "lobby-1" list? Isn't there a way to completely remove all these MOTD and keep only the one at the bottom?

...
servers:
  lobby-1:
    address: mc-lobby-1.int.domain:20101
    restricted: false
    motd: '&1Just another  - Forced Host'
  lobby-2:
    address: mc-lobby-2.int.domain:20102
    restricted: false
    motd: '&1Just another  - Forced Host'
  faction-1:
    address: mc-faction-1.int.domain:20201
    restricted: false
    motd: '&1Just another  - Forced Host'
  hungergames-1:
    address: localhost:20202
    restricted: false
    motd: '&1Just another  - Forced Host'
  survival-1:
    address: localhost:20203
    restricted: false
    motd: '&1Just another  - Forced Host'
  hcf-1:
    address: 192.168.1.174:20204
    restricted: false
    motd: '&1Just another  - Forced Host'
  mc-bedwars-map-matheo:
    address: mc-test-1.int.domain:20402
    restricted: false
    motd: '&1Just another  - Forced Host'
listeners:
- query_port: 25577
  tab_list: GLOBAL_PING
  query_enabled: false
  proxy_protocol: false
  forced_hosts:
    pvp.md-5.net: pvp
  ping_passthrough: false
  priorities:
  - lobby-1
  - lobby-2
  bind_local_address: true
  host: 0.0.0.0:25565
  max_players: 500
  tab_size: 60
  force_default_server: true
  motd: '&6&l⋙ &edomain &6&l⋙ &5&oPvp/Factions &6 &dHCF &6[&b1.7&6-&b1.16&6] &fhttps://domain'
...

[primal steppe]

Hey, I get this "java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Team 970Wi8ca7b1911 already exists in this scoreboard" error. Only when I'm using bungeecord (waterfall)

[nocturne fog]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/issues/318

[primal steppe]

but on the lobby server is no scoreboard

lobby -> gameserver (error is here)

[primal steppe]

whats the scoreboard remove packet in 1.17?

maybe this works

[royal hawk]

I’d be very happy if you could archive a copy of your setup, upload it to mega/dropbox/onedrive/google drive and send me a link to [e-mail]
I can’t for the life of me create a setup that produces this error reliably or I would already have made attempts to fix it

[primal steppe]

It’s 200GB and cloudnet

But I can send you my packet system

The error happens when I send two times the same scoreboard team

[marble kelp]

you don't want to send the same team multiple times

either remove the previous team or use random names

[primal steppe]

        final PacketPlayOutScoreboardTeam createTeam = PacketPlayOutScoreboardTeam.a(team, false);
        final PacketPlayOutScoreboardTeam removeTeam = PacketPlayOutScoreboardTeam.a(team, true);

       ((CraftPlayer)toPlayer).getHandle().b.sendPacket(removeTeam);
        ((CraftPlayer)toPlayer).getHandle().b.sendPacket(createTeam);
  

I already did that

But I think the removeTeam packet doesnt work

for bungee

[reef fulcrum]

The switching logic around scoreboards is basically broken as shit, but, I have no idea of a good solution for that outside of basically buffering the new servers scoreboards until the switch fully occurs, or, storing a copy of the old teams to restore them if the transfer fails, but, it's the horrors of state shuffling \o/

[marble wraith]

still require help

[marble kelp]

I suggest reading the documentation of whatever platform you use for your nameserver

[reef fulcrum]

DNS servers don't know about your "ping"

best they can do is geo based services, which requires that you're using a DNS registrar which supports that, and will likely be paying a premium for it

bearing in mind that traffic still needs to go from the proxy to the actual servers, so, there is generally very little actual gain in such a setup, especially for MC

[marble wraith]

well, i want bungee and servers in another country, all with same domain name

i know dns load balancer can split 50/50 across multiple servers

this would allow me to host way way way more players, but ping would be an issue
imagine you play in austrialia. bungee is in germany and the server is in australia.... thats like 200+ ping

so i want my DNS to push you to a bungee close to you, you play in US, have you to connect in US country

i need multiple bungees anyways, so spacing them out in countries is better for ping
tho i have no idea how to anything but split it 50/50 or 33/33/33 with dns load baalancer....

[reef fulcrum]

please don't mention

ping is still gonna be from the backend servers, so, you'd need to be running bungee and it's adjacent servers in the same place, otherwise you'd just be in the same state

best you'd save is maybe a milli or two if you manage to get a better route otherwise

and for stuff like that, it's generally better to just use seperate subdomains so people can chose where they wanna be if they wanna play with their friends

otherwise, if you actually wanted regional balancing, you'd need geodns, as I already said, which does come with some costs

[marble wraith]

i will be doing that

how wont that fix the ping if my server will relay it elsewhere?

does a dns load balancer contribute to ping?

i thought it only lets the host know like dns "look here for ip"

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, it does

[marble wraith]

so if im in europe, and my dns load balancer is in us and it pushes me to eu

i will have US ping?

[reef fulcrum]

what am saying is is that even with your aus setup, if you have somebody in NY and you had a bungee instance around there, they'd still be traveling the same distance to connect to the actual servers

[marble wraith]

well, worse

[reef fulcrum]

if your proxy is in the EU and your server is in the US, you'll still have the ping from connecting to the US

DNS is just use for mapping the domain name to the servers

it doesn't impact the ping

[marble wraith]

i want servers in us and eu, asia, idc about aussies...

oh then im good

i want bungee in us and server in us

problem is, using main domain they connect to EU

and doing us.example.com suuuucks tbh

[reef fulcrum]

Well, yea, but having those subdomains allows people to decide that they're happy to deal with the latency to say, play with their mates

So, either way I'd recommend having those even if you do go the geodns route

[marble wraith]

well obviously

but i want the main one to be geodns

problem is, how?

[reef fulcrum]

find a DNS provider which offers GeoDNS

[marble wraith]

do you know smth that's free?
so far i paid 0$ in this whole project and dont want to rise the buget

[reef fulcrum]

Not really

I mean, it's not an essential thing so it's pretty much ringfenced as a paid service unless you went the route of hosting your own DNS servers

[marble wraith]

well that shouldnt be hard tbh

no idea how but i have lots of server that i dont mind using for that

https://github.com/abh/geodns

hmm no idea if this is what im looking for

[marble wraith]

im going the rabbit hole... i found free service but i have to list countries and do php-alike script...
well worst case i got that

imma download some software this week aand try.... maybe i gotta run my own dns... 🙄 but this aint bad tbh
https://www.geoscaling.com/dns2/wiki/what_is_geoscaling_dns2
here it is incaase someone is interested, havent tried with mc but works excellet with websites

[unreal stag]

No, it's not going to be.

[marble wraith]

Why?

[unreal stag]

In the end all the data must route to your backend server in the end. That's why "spacing them out" doesn't work very well, unless in very specialized use cases (CDN for instance).

[marble wraith]

Backend server? Well in mc there is only bungee and actual server ypu play on

[unreal stag]

“Backend server” is a generic term meaning any server behind a proxy

[marble wraith]

well they all will be in the same country
so bungee and server pairs...

[celest tide]

When multiple people try to join at the same time they get throtling errors

How to do fix this?

My server is small and will likely never get a wave of players trying to join

[reef fulcrum]

the throttle is per-ip

if the backend servers are shouting, that means that they're misconfigured, i.e. bungee mode not enabled, or you have some other plugin causing issues

if it's the proxy, er, check that the IPs aren't the same

[celest tide]

I think it's the proxy

Do you mean client ips?

[reef fulcrum]

yes, if it's the proxy

[celest tide]

Well I just want to decrease whaterver limit there is

Maybe it's worse when starting?

[celest tide]

What do I do about this?

I haven't changed my server config, it has worked before, and everything is up

[reef fulcrum]

bungeejoin apparently did a dum

[celest tide]

Oh I see you're right

Maybe it's a broken update

[astral basin]

Hey, I'm somewhat new to the whole idea of server proxies and I'm wondering if like a Forge/Fabric server would work with a WaterFall proxy?

[zinc lily]

forge before 1.13 will work, not sure about fabric

[marble kelp]

@night templetBlox there is fabric mod that allows ip/uuid forwarding to work (FabricProxy)

[zinc lily]

@astral basin ^

bridge pinged the wrong person, sadly

[marble kelp]

how are there more than one person with that name in here smh

also what happened to using and wanting a unique usernames... :(

[zinc lily]

bridge pinged Wes, while i pinged the right person

[marble kelp]

wtf

how

[zinc lily]

just write your own client phoenix :p

[marble kelp]

Z just needs to accept my damn PR

[zinc lily]

yeah

[marble kelp]

also this is clearly not "Wes" https://i.moep.tv/ga6G8MtC.png

[zinc lily]

just send him a >:c with a link to your pr

[marble kelp]

wow

actually the code seems to already try to take care of this, odd

at least if I understand this kotlin right: https://github.com/zachbr/Dis4IRC/blob/b207d99fd461ffaae8b9003e76389740ffcc99b2/src/main/kotlin/io/zachbr/dis4irc/util/StringUtil.kt#L31

oh wait, it doesn't pass requireSeparation -.-

[astral basin]

Oh alright

Thanks 👍

[snow jolt]

Hello my Waterfall as soon as a player connects it sends this "error" in the console how can I solve?

"https://justpaste.it/3s711"

please help me

[reef fulcrum]

com.jakub.premium

1. Please use paste.gg in the future, random unknown paste sites are sus

2. No idea what that plugin is, but, speak to the plugin author

[snow jolt]

ok sorry

the only plugin inside the proxy is Jpremium a login plugin

[reef fulcrum]

yea, had a feeling it was that, glhf

[snow jolt]

so it is not an error of waterfall confirm me?

[royal hawk]

Yes this is not a waterfall error. As for that plugin, paper doesn’t support piracy and that includes plugins of that nature. You’re on your own

[marble kelp]

1. wrong channel, 2. the jvm will do that automatically, 3. you can adjust the jvm behaviour using flags, the recommended ones work out best for most people

[celest tide]

Oh I'm so sorry. Will move

[torpid garnet]

Waterfall or bungeecord, which is better

[severe badger]

You're asking this in the waterfall channel, the answer may be obvious

Tho, you should consider Velocity

[torpid garnet]

Oh

[fallen tundra]

Hello I have been having issues since setting up waterfall with players randomly being kicked off the proxy. I am not sure what is going on. Here is the crash log https://pastebin.com/R91p2Km0 Any help is much appreciated.

[reef fulcrum]

randomly being kicked off the proxy

random kick would generally imply a bit more randomness than the enter JVM crashing

You had a segmentation fault, i.e. bad memory access

either a JVM bug, or, you have hardware issues

[shell sparrow]

Hey!

i'm getting this error when trying to join waterfall

[marble kelp]

fix your network/firewall

[shell sparrow]

wdym?

[marble kelp]

something is blocking you from connecting to the port of your waterfall proxy, most likely the firewall or you have some other (network) setup issue

[shell sparrow]

maybe bungeeguard?

is a plugin like authme

[marble kelp]

it's not a plugin like authme lol

[shell sparrow]

hmm

idk

so, maybe is the token?

[marble kelp]

and no, BungeeGuard does not block you from logging into your proxy, it blocks you from connecting directly to the backend servers

[shell sparrow]

i had bungeeAuthme but didn't have bungee in the lobby

[marble kelp]

(and usually isn't necessary if have a proper network setup, only really on shared hosts)

[shell sparrow]

maybe it was that?

listeners:
- query_port: 25577
  motd: '&1Another Bungee server'
  tab_list: GLOBAL_PING
  query_enabled: false
  proxy_protocol: false
  forced_hosts:
    pvp.md-5.net: pvp
  ping_passthrough: false
  priorities:
  - lobby
  bind_local_address: true
  host: 0.0.0.0:25577```

is that port correct?

[marble kelp]

if that's the port you want to use to connect to your proxy? sure

you can use whatever port that you have open for it

[shell sparrow]

so still sending that error

[marble kelp]

most will just use the default port so that players don't have to type the port or that you don't need SRV records

[shell sparrow]

what is the default port?

[marble kelp]

25565

[shell sparrow]

will try

well, maybe is this? xD

[tidal musk]

Pretty sure there isn't a new build

a newer build*

[severe badger]

"potentially" is the keyword, md projects' update checker check for build date instead of versioning

[marble kelp]

I mean the message is pretty clear

[shell sparrow]

ok, the same problem is happening

[reef fulcrum]

That message will prevent the server starting up for 10 seconds

[shell sparrow]

no, this thing

[reef fulcrum]

It won't prevent things connecting to it after it does

[shell sparrow]

i updated the build

and still that problem

[marble kelp]

please read and understand the message

it clearly says "potentially"

[reef fulcrum]

Yes, and we literally explained that the message, i.e. the fact that you're outdated, won't cause that issue

[shell sparrow]

ik

but, i don't know how to solve that

and i would like some help

[reef fulcrum]

Check IP, firewall, port forward, make sure you're using the correct port, ideally wanna use 25565 given that's default for the client

[shell sparrow]

can i send my config.yml so you check if it is bad or good?

[reef fulcrum]

no

[marble kelp]

your config has nothing to do with that

you need to setup your network and firewall of your system properly

[shell sparrow]

in the lobby server you mean?

[marble kelp]

wat

your issue is that you can't connect to your proxy, the error lies somewhere in the network between your client and your proxy

[shell sparrow]

ok

[reef fulcrum]

You want to configure bungee to listen on 25565, see the listeners section; You want the servers to listen on some other port

[shell sparrow]

it's in 25565

[reef fulcrum]

make sure that when you or somebody in your house tests, use "localhost" for the same computer, or the LAN IP

stop mentioning

[shell sparrow]

sorry

[reef fulcrum]

that's just the query port

see the host line

[shell sparrow]

both are like that

[reef fulcrum]

okay, so, start the proxy, test localhost, assuming same pc

[shell sparrow]

not same pc

[reef fulcrum]

so, ref back to my last few comments

[shell sparrow]

maybe is the plugin nLogin from the lobby?

is a security plugin

[reef fulcrum]

glhf

[shell sparrow]

uh

[marble kelp]

if you think that it's a plugin just test with all of them removed

(and this is obviously not "random plugin support" ;))

[shell sparrow]

ik

well, when i try to join it doesn't send any message to the console

so i don't think that the problem is for that

[shell sparrow]

the bungee one

[marble kelp]

well if the connection request doesn't reach the proxy (which the error indicates) then it's most likely a network setup issue as said before (or you simply connect to the wrong address/port)

[shell sparrow]

i'm coping the ip

so don't think so

[reef fulcrum]

copying the IP from where

[shell sparrow]

bungee ip

[reef fulcrum]

er, wtf is that

[shell sparrow]

a host

[marble kelp]

talk to your host lmao

[shell sparrow]

uuh

[marble kelp]

we have zero idea what kind of cursed setup they have

and you pay them to support you

just fyi for the future: leading with information about how and where you run your server can help not waste tons of time

[shell sparrow]

nah it's free

[reef fulcrum]

I mean

the panel clearly states that it's using some different port than what you configured in bungee

beyond that, speak to the host, we can't help you here

[shell sparrow]

ok, ty

[marble kelp]

that seems like the ptero external port though, the one in the config would be the one interally to the docker container

you would basically need to make sure that the port matches whatever ptero expects (the one they configure by default for the waterfall/bungee egg would be the correct one there)

[frail cedar]

why i cant do /server?

[reef fulcrum]

Generally, either you didn't connect to the proxy but an actual server, or, the modules failed to download for some reason, check the proxy logs, should say if it saw a connection, etc

[frail cedar]

it says unkown command

[frail cedar]

can it by protocolib?

[reef fulcrum]

Don't mention

No, because PL is behind the proxy, it can't intercept stuff which the proxy intercepts as it won't even get there

[frail cedar]

im connected to that server but that command doesnt exist

[frail cedar]

no logs

[reef fulcrum]

Stop mentioning.

[frail cedar]

bruh

sorry

i forgot

[royal hawk]

Check the folder called modules. Are there files inside?

[frail cedar]

proxy or?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, "no logs" is like, what

I mean, there should be logs saying that you connected

[royal hawk]

well the folder should be in the same folder where your config.yml for bungeecord is

[frail cedar]

yes theay are there

[royal hawk]

So when you connect via bungeecord

[frail cedar]

oh

that kinda explain

[royal hawk]

it’s missing cmd_server if these are all

[frail cedar]

where i can get it?

[reef fulcrum]

provide your log file

[frail cedar]

lateest?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, assuming it has the startup info in there, yes

[tulip surge]

latest.log by @frail cedar: https://paste.gg/d10de66b070e475abb376a77fd04f264

[royal hawk]

That’d also work tho

[reef fulcrum]

see the modules.yml file

the fact that it doesn't even try suggests that you disabled it or something

[royal hawk]

Wait wrong link

[reef fulcrum]

shouldn't download them manually anyways

[reef fulcrum]

So, yea, somebody removed that module

[royal hawk]

Delete that file or add jenkins://cmd_server and restart the bungeecord

[frail cedar]

k

yeah thx

xd

im dumb asf

[proper creek]

😕

i've just got the vps, so some stuff may not be setted up idk

[reef fulcrum]

install the non-headless jdk

or, jre

[proper creek]

done thx

[frail cedar]

Player can but console says unknown command ehat

[tidal musk]

Which console are you referring to? It obviously won’t work in the Minecraft server console, only in the Waterfall console

[frail cedar]

Yeah ik but when I set to autjme to send command after player join autjme didn't know either

[tidal musk]

Because AuthMe doesn’t provide support for Bungeecord out of the box, in fact, it has no idea that there’s even a proxy in between you and the Minecraft server

[royal hawk]

Yes luzea is right, you’ll need a plug-in to provide those kinds of commands on the server side

The server doesn’t know the player is even connected through a proxy by default so it couldn’t do anything with that out of the box

[frail cedar]

Skript?

[tidal musk]

what about skript

skript is terrible and you should never use it

[frail cedar]

Xd

Ok

[spare lake]

I'm trying to set up my first Waterfall server + forge on top of AMP but I want to use 1.16.5 and can't seem to find the corresponding Waterfall version

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[shut cape]

Latest Waterfall version would work for 1.8-1.17

oh and Forge 1.12+ doesn't work IIRC

[spare lake]

Ah I see, so there is no way to do a Forge 1.16 server with Waterfall? 😦

[royal hawk]

No. Not as of now

[sleek tide]

Hey there, I am trying to set up a waterfall network to connect my RLcraft server to a network with other Paper servers.

Everything seems to be set up fine in the network, but when players try to join to the RLcraft server it provides a 'Read Time Out' and doesn't allow connection. It does let me connect to Paper servers tho.

Does anyone have any ideas on how I could fix this. I contacted Apex and they said to ask here.

[shut cape]

Send the full log?

[north bear]

Hi, does waterfall have the command /glist ? Can I disable that?

[tidal musk]

Set the permission bungeecord.command.glist to false

(or remove it from the default group in config.yml)

[north bear]

Is the waterfall better than bungeecord? I mean im using viaversion is it compatible?

[ionic kelp]

Im getting this issue

🤦🏼‍♂️ anyone

[wraith hornet]

you have not configured a server?

[ionic kelp]

So it’s not bungee?

[royal hawk]

You either don’t have any servers in your config.yml or a plug-in is preventing a server from being picked

[royal hawk]

Waterfall has a few improvements over Bungeecord, that also includes better support for ViaVersion (in newer Java releases mainly)

[dawn umbra]

Yo is there any plugin that I can use to auto update server status to a specific channel on all servers connected to the waterfall proxy note I am on sponge and paper spigot?

[marble kelp]

what kind of status are you talking about? Also what do you mean by "specific channel"?

if you just mean if they respond to pings and have a list + notification about servers going online/offline ingame then check out https://github.com/Phoenix616/ServerStatus

[hushed osprey]

Question

Can a forge server link with a paper server?
So bungeecord >hub(paper) then survival (paper) >mod server (

[reef fulcrum]

not really

I mean, not if the modded server has required mods, nor does 1.13+ work for forge

[hushed osprey]

so it does work assuming that we fulfill the requirements u mention?

[reef fulcrum]

basically, yes

[dawn umbra]

That does not look like it is sending messages to discord.

[dawn umbra]

Looking for one that shows players online to ip like smp.mydomain.com to offline/online

And I know of discordsrv but that I am using on my servers to connect chats but I want one plugin that tells all the stuff like information into a channel on discord.

[marble kelp]

well you didn't mention discord which is why I asked for more details ;)

[dawn umbra]

Oh my bad

I just read my message again

[naive sky]

Hey, I wanted to reset everyone's location on the proxy, I tried deleting the locations file and deleting everything but the {} but it didn't work

[reef fulcrum]

did you stop the proxy?

define "didn't work"

[tidal musk]

Can someone help me? I just changed my proxy from Velocity to Waterfall and i can't get anything work. There is my latest logfile and Waterfall config file

[tulip surge]

latest.log by @rugged garnet: https://paste.gg/43559ef409f64db1b521768049ebf3de

[reef fulcrum]

make sure that the server is configured for bungee mode and not velocity mode, etc

all we can say from that is that the server trying to be connected to said bye

[tidal musk]

Hi, who can i talk to from the dev team?

My proxy has crashed for an unknown reason

I would like to send the logs but it contains a lot of IP Addresses

So I don't want to send it here

[zinc lily]

mclo.gs removes IP addresses

just paste your log in there

[tidal musk]

thank you

https://mclo.gs/DOBoZ0k

[reef fulcrum]

LuckPerms started throwing errors

[tidal musk]

ah ok thanks

[near geyser]

someone can tell how i can compile the waterfall bungee?

[reef fulcrum]

clone, ./waterfall p, mvn clean package

[near geyser]

Sorry if i bother you but you can explain me on detail how i can do it?

[reef fulcrum]

Don't mention

No

[near geyser]

sorry

[reef fulcrum]

Those are the basic outlined steps, do that stuff in git bash

[near geyser]

sorry if i'm retarded, but this is the first time i use git, do you know if there is any guide on what to do step by step?

[reef fulcrum]

suggest dropping the r word

Most guides are based around the exectation that you understand basic git and basic bash

you need to clone the waterfall repo with git bash, not using the download button, then cd into the cloned repo and ./waterfall can be used for doing the build stuff, etc

[near geyser]

./waterfall p first right?

[reef fulcrum]

Well, that applies the patches

now you have the patch applied source tree, if you wanna build, I think the waterfall command had a build thing, otherwise just use maven

[near geyser]

Thank you very much for your patience and help seriously ❤️

[hot wave]

This message is waterfall? https://i.gyazo.com/ec5700476180a25bc759dc317a981d94.png

[reef fulcrum]

"kicked whist", yes

The denied message, no

[hot wave]

wtf

[naive sky]

I restarted it, yes, but it still takes players to where they were last online and not the default server

[reef fulcrum]

don't mention

use the "force-default" or whatever it was in config.yml

[naive sky]

But I don't want to force them to join the default server each time, I am trying to remove their location so for once, they are sent to the default server, and then the next time they join, it just sends them where they were

[reef fulcrum]

You mean, where they where in the world on that server?

if so, use a spawn join plugin

[naive sky]

Okay, let me make it easier to understand, players right now, who have joined the server at least once, are in the survival server, but I want all player's locations to be deleted so they are sent to the hub server for once, and then they can choose, because if not, then they would be stuck in the whitelist thing, and they won't even be able to join the hub server

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, if you stop the proxy, and then delete the locations file, and then start it, that data will be gone, unless you have some plugin doing it, in which case it won't have somewhere to rejoin them to as it won't have that data

[naive sky]

Yeah, I deleted the locations file but it just came back, I will try again though

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, the file will be recreated, empty, as it will start saving the locations back in there once they join

[proud lodge]

Hello, how can I make my waterfall proxy redirect me on another server if one is shut down? I read that I just had to put the server in the "priorities" list in my config.yml file but it's apparently not working (i just get kicked with a "server closed" message)

Thanks in advance

[marble kelp]

do you mean when the server is offline and you try to join or if you are connected and they kick you? priorities solves the first scenario, a plugin is required for the second

[proud lodge]

second option

i have "server-a" as my priority server, i have "server-b" as the server i'm connected on, and which is shut down

[marble kelp]

there are several plugins that can do that e.g. this one https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/hubkick.2/ or my own as

https://github.com/Minebench/KickInfo/

[proud lodge]

okk thanks

is it easy to code that? i'm trying to code everything myself so I can learn

[marble kelp]

fairly easy, yeah

[proud lodge]

okay thanks 🙂

[dawn umbra]

Does anyone have an update for me on this?

[proven spindle]

Hey!

Is there an issue with latest build?

I can't uh..

I keep getting forced to the lobby

On login

this never happened before updating

Oooh

priorities:

• lobby

Keeps setting that by itself

i set it to

priorities:

and it keeps adding lobby lol

[hushed osprey]

what culd be causing this issue for some user?
Unable to authenticate - no data was forwarded by the proxy

[reef fulcrum]

That's from a plugin, not paper/waterfall

if bungeeguard, make sure that they actually joined through the proxy

[thick vector]

Ok so I just setup a bungee cord server, I know java code, made a few hacked clients, made a few plugins. I know mc client code in and out and am expanding my knowledge towards servers.

Can a dev, without being an asshole for my ignorance, explain the advantages to waterfall over a default bungee cord server without stating the obvious from their GitHub desc

Like waterfall seems cool and all but is it for me? I’m aiming to create a server with a decent player base and bring back old hcf and pvp minus the pay to win and cheating aspect.

I have a good server and an anticheat incapable to be disabled by clients, detecting most cheats. So cheating won’t be an issue.
Can waterfall provide the same reliability, uptime, as bungee

Whilst having reduced usage?

[young rampart]

Short answer: Use Velocity
Long answer:
Waterfall builds on top of Bungeecord. This means that the base is gnerally the same, and waterfall just has a few things on top of that. The big advantage of that means we can add new features and fix bugs in Bungeecord while still keeping compatibility with plugins build for bungeecord. The huge disadvantage is that we can't really improve or change too much. Waterfall is pretty much dead at this point, the existing patches are still updated if something goes wrong/on version changes, but no one is really developing new things for waterfall annymore.
Velocity on the other hand is something completely new. It is a proxy, same a bungeecord, but it's different from the ground up. This means it allows for modern stuff and is probably what you should be using for anything new you make, however this means that plugins written for bungeecord are not compatible with velocity, and have to be changed

[thick vector]

Girly did u srsly kick me because I had jihtler in my pfp. It’s a south Florida joke that does not actually involve Hitler 💀

But thank you for the response

[young rampart]

haha funny joke

[thick vector]

Ok so basically

Lemme get this straight

Water fall

Is essential

Skidded bungee cord that just works better

So bungee cord re arranged without bugs

[young rampart]

Waterfall to Bungeecord is like Paper to Spigot

[thick vector]

Massive fork n fix

Got it

However I’m looking for the most efficient bungee alternative @young rampart , what would your suggestion to that be. Is velocity better at speed and efficiency whilst maintaining reliability.

[reef fulcrum]

Velocity is an alternative proxy but doesn't work with bungee plugins

[thick vector]

Ok so

If I coded my own plugins

[young rampart]

Then velocity

[thick vector]

Mind you I am capable of

To work with velocity

Would it be an upper

In terms of speed and efficiency

[young rampart]

Yes

[thick vector]

Or is the speed and efficiency the same as per say waterfall, but is just a smaller file size due to coding improvements with shit reliability

Because if it’s the same with different plug-in reliability, it would just be a time waster

[young rampart]

The only real reason in my opinion to stay on Bungee/waterfall is plugin compatibility. If you don't care about that, go for Velocity

[thick vector]

Yeah but is velocity actually any faster

[young rampart]

Yes

[thick vector]

At processing

Or having a reduced load?

[young rampart]

I'd recommend asking in the velocity discord for specifics, its linked in #community-guilds

[thick vector]

Ight bet

Basically I accidentally fooled u into taking about a better alternative to waterfall in its help section, and now u need to change the topic so you don’t get in troubie wubbies for not moderating

[young rampart]

No

We recommend Velocity over Waterfall

Even if we still somewhat maintain Waterfall

[thick vector]

Now I’m dumb founded

Because most devs pride their product over others despite its lacks

Anyways Imma dip and go look into that alternative

[tawny cargo]

hello i need help. when adding a new server in the "waterfall" engine. this one sends errors [15:59:38 ERROR]: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassCastException: class java.lang.Double cannot be cast to class java.lang.String (java.lang.Double and java.lang.String are in module java.base of loader 'bootstrap') [15:59:38 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.conf.YamlConfig.getServers(YamlConfig.java:228 [15:59:38 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.conf.Configuration.load(Configuration.java:113 [15:59:38 ERROR]: at io.github.waterfallmc.waterfall.conf.WaterfallConfiguration.load(WaterfallConfiguration.java:50) [15:59:38 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCord.start(BungeeCord.java:279 [15:59:38 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCordLauncher.main(BungeeCordLauncher.java:67) [15:59:38 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:15)

[reef fulcrum]

you borked the config

[tawny cargo]

how?

[reef fulcrum]

idk

[tawny cargo]

when there is one server servers:
lobby:
mod: lobby
address: ip
restricted: false this one does not send errors. if I add more servers. these send default errors is it possible to fix the error?

[reef fulcrum]

We'd need to see the actual config

We're not magicians here

best guess is that you set something in there like a number when it needs to be a string

i.e. if you put like, 1.16 in the motd, that would cause an error, would need to be "1.16"

[tawny cargo]

https://paste.helpch.at/ifupojiyuk.makefile

[reef fulcrum]

don't have .'s in server names

otherwise on the surface, that looks fine

[tawny cargo]

this is the current code that gives bugs

[tawny cargo]

what do you mean? the translator does not fully provide a good translation :/

[reef fulcrum]

Do not put a . in the name of the server

[tawny cargo]

ok

still getting a bug

[reef fulcrum]

(also, make sure that the server name isn't a number, give it a real name to save headaches; having a . in the server name can cause issues with plugins, and a number just breaks the config parsing(

[tawny cargo]

ok

[tawny cargo]

well thanks for your help, the setup started working

[hot wave]

Are flags used for Waterfall? Which ones are recommended?

[reef fulcrum]

see pins

[hot wave]

Thanks 🙂

[tidal musk]

hi, im new to bungee api, is there a way to send a command like through a plugin, like dispatchCommand() on spigot?

[marble kelp]

iirc the PluginManager has a method for that

[vivid vapor]

is this a proxy thing (and if so how can i disable it)

[royal hawk]

That is most likely a proxy thing but we don’t know anything about your setup, please provide more information like logs or we cant help

[vivid vapor]

https://paste.gg/p/JasonHorkles/f0344658b4f346f1b07b889e587cf4ea
this message occurs before the proxy even recognizes that i'm connecting it seems

[unreal stag]

so what client are you using?

and what mods/mod loader?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, that sounds like the forge one

and modern forge doesn't work with any of the proxies

[unreal stag]

^^^

[vivid vapor]

yeah its forge 1.17.1

do no forge clients work on proxies anymore or something?

[reef fulcrum]

forge broke the means of handshaking across servers

[unreal stag]

yeah, so Forge 1.13+ isn't supported by any proxy if the mods expect mods to be installed server side

[reef fulcrum]

thus proxies haven't cared to bother ensuring that forge can connect in the first place

[vivid vapor]

dang

cuz all my mods should be client side anyways

[unreal stag]

the problem is less technical and more of a political one

[vivid vapor]

well rip

[unreal stag]

sorry

go use Fabric

[vivid vapor]

unfortunately the mod i mainly want is only for forge 😔

[royal hawk]

To add insult to injury, almost all of the progress I made towards a modern proxy protocol is presently going flying out the window for other reasons I can’t discuss here

[reef fulcrum]

accidently sets off the party confetti

[royal hawk]

You’re dark cat

[marble kelp]

so mojang is bringing bedrock's re-connect packet to java?

runs

[tidal musk]

👀

[marble kelp]

or even "better" they just merge the two network systems into one to allow real cross platform 👀

[woven plaza]

they're wayyy too different for that

[marble kelp]

I mean, parity is one of their goals so...

[woven plaza]

even the endianness is different

[royal hawk]

I wish

[severe rampart]

could that potentially help adding forge 1.13+ support to waterfall or is the issue deeper than that?

[reef fulcrum]

Well, the big issue is that we can't get forge to resync across connections

So, having a reconnect packet would allow the client to just reconnect, ideally pass some token, and jump back to where it was going

[royal hawk]

I had a cleaner solution

But the reconnect packet seems to be likely the only option now going forward

[reef fulcrum]

yea, I mean, it's not ideal, just, seemed like the best overall solution for it which could be more universally applied

[royal hawk]

I’ve had someone vehemently demand that it could just force the client to authenticate again

But that just screams bad idea

[reef fulcrum]

[marble kelp]

I mean, couldn't someone just create a forge mod which essentially offers the reconnect functionality then just have that inside any mod pack which is used with a proxy?

I mean I have almost zero experience with the client modding scene but that seems kinda liek a no-brainer?

[reef fulcrum]

Well, yes, but then you've gotta get clients to install it

[marble kelp]

of course but that could be up to the server owner to include in their modpack or to tell people to put it into their mod folder if they want to play there

also it wouldn't even need proxy support, a simple plugin could cancel the server switch event, send the reconnect message and set a reconnect handler to automatically connect to the original target server once the client rejoined

this approach could also mention the mod itself in the message and say something like "if you want to switch servers you need to install this mod"

(for those that try to switch without the mod ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

[royal hawk]

Forge is a lot less flexible than that. That would work with fabric no problem but not with forge

Thus we are back full circle

[unreal stag]

again, a lot of the problems are political in nature

[reef fulcrum]

I vote that we set Five on fire as a tribute/sacrifice

[royal hawk]

Considering that I’m already charred and somewhat still radiating heat from the last time being sacrificed I’d say we already have that covered

[marble kelp]

what do you mean by "resets"? like after a restart?

or in the config file after starting it?

[celest tide]

Any way to put in a temporary motd?

I have a map render thing that eats memory and I'd like to shut down the server while displaying some message in the list about what is happening

I have access to the bungee cli from the place where I start the map

[marble kelp]

ServerListPlus has a standalone server

or just edit your proxy MOTD while the minecraft server is down I guess

[celest tide]

How?

[celest tide]

What does that mean. Why would it?

[marble kelp]

which part of it isn't clear?

[celest tide]

Edit where?

The file?

And then reload the proxy?

Or edit in some other way?

[marble kelp]

wat

the message you replied to has nothing to do with editing any files on the proxy

[celest tide]

So what is it about?

You just said edit and I don't know where?

[marble kelp]

so you mean the other message you convienently didn't reply to? if so the motd of the listener in your proxy config

and no idea if that is updated on reload, restarting is always the suggested way of applying setting changes

[celest tide]

I replied to both messages

[celest tide]

Okay, so it was editing files on the proxy then.

[celest tide]

I want it to show without the proxy being down

[marble kelp]

well you replied to the same one twice which is why I was confused

also no need to reply to them all the time...

[celest tide]

Oh, my bad.

So is there a way to change the MOTD in the proxy without restarting?

[marble kelp]

well it might work on reload

most people just use plugins for that though (like ServerListPlus)

[celest tide]

Ok

I was hoping not to have to edit a file via my script

Do you know of any in-mem solutions?

[marble kelp]

just use a plugin, lol

[celest tide]

Yeah, a plugin

But I can't find one that has a command to change the motd

I don't need all that other stuff

[marble kelp]

I mean if anything you could just copy the config file from a pre-set other file and reload

(be it the proxy config or plugin config)

but writing an MOTD plugin that has such a command is dead simple and I'm 100% sure there are some out there already which can do that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next mason]

hello I have a problem, when I start my server on a vps with an ssh terminal I leave the console on, but then I close the console the server closes too how do I fix this

[marble kelp]

use tmux or screen

[next mason]

what is that

I have screen stuff but how do I detach without terminating

[tidal musk]

ctrl + a + d

ctrl + a, then ctrl +d *

[next mason]

doesnt work

[tidal musk]

Are you pressing that inside a screen session?

[next mason]

yeah I think id

idk

id cd server/bungee

and then sh start.bat

or same thing with server/lobby

[marble kelp]

you need to start it inside the screen

[next mason]

how do I do that

[next mason]

how do I start it in a screen?

OH I MADE IT

[celest tide]

Doesn't seem to be any 😦

[pulsar python]

hi

how many ram i need?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, depends

[pulsar python]

50 users

or 100

[reef fulcrum]

probs 512MB

[pulsar python]

ok, thanks

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, there was a formula somewhere, i forgots it, the proxy doesn't use much memory

[pulsar python]

and disk in mb?

[pulsar python]

ah ok, thanks

One question, if the bungecord goes down, all the servers or just the connection between them goes down?

[reef fulcrum]

it's a proxy, if the proxy dies all the proxied connections will die

[pulsar python]

but i mean

only de conections or all?

i mean, all the users in diferent servers

[reef fulcrum]

what?

"all the users in different servers"

It's a proxy

if the users are conencting through the proxy, which they will be in a network, if the proxy dies, all of the connections will die

[pulsar python]

If the servers go down or only the connection between them, that is, if Pepito is playing in survival, if the bungecord falls, will the server expel Pepito?

[reef fulcrum]

i.e. every user will be disconnected from the network

[pulsar python]

ah

ok, thanks

[reef fulcrum]

If the servers go down, that's not the proxy

[pulsar python]

soo..

mabye is better to use 1 gb of ram

[reef fulcrum]

if an individual server dies, then the players on that server will be disconnected

[pulsar python]

i have 16

and i dont know how to divide it

[reef fulcrum]

ram is highly irrelevant, most of the memory usage of waterfall, etc, is off-heap buffers

i.e. outside of Xmx controls

[pulsar python]

so, the important is the procesator?

[reef fulcrum]

don't mention

I have no idea what you're asking there

[pulsar python]

ah sorry

[white yarrow]

How much RAM is required for a proxy with only one plugin installed (in this situation https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/automatic-server-reconnect-bungee-reconnect.84395/), if, for example, 50 players will use it?
This is the first time I use a proxy, so I apologize for such stupid questions. Will the consumption of RAM and processor depend on the number of players?

That is, the player connects directly to the server, without a lobby, and if a restart occurs, he continues to hang on the proxy

[royal hawk]

Yes it depends on how many players you have. For 50 players you probably need somewhere around ~700mb ram max

While we are at it you should look into bungeeguard to secure your setup since it’s your first time using it

[torpid garnet]

Is 1 player slot fine for proxy server?

Ping me if you answer

[prisma whale]

if you only want 1 player to be able to play at a time? yes

[white yarrow]

But if i am using Waterfall as a proxy and Fabric as a server, i cant install this plugin than. Can i simply reject all incoming packets to my server's port and allow to my proxy's port?

[royal hawk]

Yes. That’s always preferable

[severe rampart]

That's probably what Lightfall does, idk about the specifics but i recall that fork requiring a client mod too at least

So yeah

[marble kelp]

I see. Not sure why they would need to fork the proxy for that though

I guess there are more incompatibilities than just the reconnecting?

[violet hound]

How do I go from here

To here

Detaching from the server

[reef fulcrum]

see the manual for screen?

think it was ctrl-a d

[severe badger]

b

[violet hound]

ctrl + a + d?

that didn't work

neither did ctrl + b

[severe badger]

The latter is standalone

[violet hound]

oh ok

so ctrl + a, and then b?

ctrl a does nothing, and typing b or d just types it

hmm

[marble kelp]

ctrl + a, b

[violet hound]

does nothing

[marble kelp]

wait, ctrl + a, d

lmao

[violet hound]

same thing

[marble kelp]

no, it's not the same thing

it's a d vs a b

d = detach

[violet hound]

no i mean, it does the same thing

no response

[marble kelp]

hold ctrl down, press a, release ctrl

press d

[violet hound]

thats what I'm doing

[marble kelp]

make sure you don't have capslock enables I guess

[severe badger]

tmux takes the b first, like I said.

[marble kelp]

and that you are actually using screen

[violet hound]

I've installed screen yup

[reef fulcrum]

press ctrl-c, you're in some weird prompt mode

or, wait, no

er

[severe badger]

mfw screen

[violet hound]

well ctrl c shuts it down

[severe badger]

Yeah, screen would be a c then

[marble kelp]

wat

[reef fulcrum]

Yea, I misread what the terminal was showing, thought that you was in a weird environment thing

as I waid, "or, wait, no"

[severe badger]

Rumors said you can just close the window and spin up new sessions everytime

[violet hound]

lol I had already done ctrl c by then

how do I check if screen is installed?

[reef fulcrum]

literally just run screen

if it's installed it will start screen

[unreal stag]

using screen in 2021

what a mood

[marble kelp]

at least it's GPL

runs

[pulsar python]

[19:31:10 INFO]: [anchelthe] disconnected with: Could not connect to a default or fallback server, please try again later: io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException

[mint cedar]

is there water fall for 1.12.2

[reef fulcrum]

use latest, supports 1.8+, no need to use outdated versions

[mint cedar]

ok dope

[jolly wren]

How can i solve this

[plucky cedar]

Isn't it hold Ctrl a+d

[fierce summit]

Does anyone know if there's a plugin out there that can track which IPs incoming players are using to connect?

As in, if a player uses XXX.myminecraftserver.org vs YYY.myminecraftserver.org? I'd rather not make one if there's something that exists already

[white yarrow]

Can I somehow change all the messages that the proxy sends. For example, connection errors, old version, etc. without changing the proxy's core code, and then building it again

[severe badger]

[white yarrow]

oh, lol, thank you)

[little pewter]

Where can i access 1.12.x versions of waterfall?

[tidal musk]

Latest version should support 1.12

[little pewter]

I wanna run this:p

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/modpacks/skyfactory-4/download/3012800

never touched waterfall, just plain paper servers etc

i can make the latest .jar work with that ye?

[reef fulcrum]

.

[tidal musk]

Connection failed. Please try again or contract an administator can someone help me?

[zinc lily]

logs? info?

[tidal musk]

theres no errors in the logs

lost connection: Connection failed. Please try again or contract an administrator

[zinc lily]

have you checked clientside logs?

[tidal musk]

wdym clientside

[zinc lily]

the logs your client makes

[tidal musk]

nope

im not sure how either

[zinc lily]

there's an option in the launcher, keep logs open after startup

i think

[tidal musk]

im using lunar let me check

[tidal musk]

i have a feeling its a backend issue on the server im trying to join im not sure what though since i have configured it all correctly

cause i can connect to the hub just fine

[zinc lily]

then you'd have to check the backend server's logs

[reef fulcrum]

Issues like that are often wrong IP, network misconfiguration, firewalls, or weird hosts

[tidal musk]

hmm

all it says on the backend server is
[01:56:08 INFO]: / lost connection: Connection failed. Please try again or contract an administrator.

[reef fulcrum]

on the backend server

that would scream a plugin is kicking them but with just that, can't say

[tidal musk]

i can send you my bungee config file to you if you want

[blazing pilot]

player getting kicked, while joining from phone network(hotspot)
error is you are already connected to proxy :/

[tidal musk]

Can you add support for C&B?

And other Custom tags?

I want to join with mods that uses Custom tags but it seems that Waterfall does not support it.

[rigid nebula]

How do i get a normal server's motd back on the server list when the server is proxied behind waterfall?

[prisma whale]

set the motd on the proxy

[royal hawk]

If that uses login plugin channels to exchange tags then no

Aka forge 1.13 or newer

[warped kestrel]

maybe stupid question, but if i have LuckPerms on my waterfall server, do i still need to install LuckPerms on my paper servers to set the non-waterfall perms (World Edit, EssentialsX etc.)

[tidal musk]

yes

yes

[warped kestrel]

Ok thanks. You don't need to answer, but do you know if you can sync the player groups from Waterfall LP with Paper LP?

[tidal musk]

Yes, use the same database

[warped kestrel]

Ok thx allot!

[rigid nebula]

I have it on the proxy

It's not showing up tho

[junior brook]

hi, could not find it anywhere. the waterfall does not remember which server the player was last connected to. How to fix it?

[tidal musk]

iirc there's something like force_default_server in the waterfall config

make sure that's set to false

[rigid nebula]

How do i make the hub a fallback server instead of having everyone kicked entirely if their current server shuts down?

[reef fulcrum]

that's not a fallback server

use a plugin

[rigid nebula]

Which plugin tho, one that tps on kick or..

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, i got no idea what people recommend these days, pheonix has one called hubkick or something, and there are about several dozen others out there

[rigid nebula]

I tried phoenix's but it kinda interferred with a plugin's kick command ;-;

Idk what to try tbh I've been experimenting with bungee stuff for days now

[reef fulcrum]

Because it requires proper config.

There is literally 0 difference to the proxy from a /kick command and the server kicking players as it's just shit the bed and is stopping

[rigid nebula]

Yep

I guess for syncing stuff between hub and the other servers like network bans i should first get the redis thing working..

[soft forge]

Hellou! I'm getting this error and I'm not sure whats causing it: https://paste.itaqui.to/k46e3kJ_eT.properties

[marble kelp]

you should put a ban plugin on the proxy, it makes zero sense to have that on the minecraft server

(especially as you can cancel logins way better on the proxy with the intend system of async events)

itaquito: well the error is pretty clear, add more memory (or remove the shitty Minecadamy plugin with a memory leak)

[junior brook]

it was installed that way.

[reef fulcrum]

force default is set to false by default, if that's set to true, that's the issue

[rigid nebula]

I wish it worked tbh, the friend of mine who's used (and paid) for aquacore, which handles bans and such doesn't want to get rid of it

[marble kelp]

sunken cost fallacy is stupid af

just get proper plugins

[rigid nebula]

Yep..

All i'm wondering now is which plugins

[marble kelp]

anything that is open source will give you the ability to at least get issues easily fixed without jumping through hoops

[rigid nebula]

Hmm..

[marble kelp]

so checking the license should be the first you do when buying/testing plugins

[rigid nebula]

I know

The issue is i haven't found a replacement plugin that has aquacore's /alts /check /blacklist functionality either, as well as aquacore doing much more than just banning is not easy to find

[marble kelp]

just replace the functions one after another

you don't have to replace the whole plugin

[rigid nebula]

Wait how am i supposed to replace the functions without replacing the plugin, doesn't it like conflict

[marble kelp]

no? you just use the correct command

(e.g. by not granting permissions to the plugin commands you don't want to, using the commands.yml to define the plugin to use or in the case of running a plugin on bungee not doing anything as the bungee will handle the commands anyways)

of course you should always disable permissions of plugins/commands you don't want to be used by anyone

[rigid nebula]

Ah

I see

How would i make viaversion load faster?

Or is this more of a paper-help question

[reef fulcrum]

Er, well, that's more of a viaversion question

[rigid nebula]

But like, the way plugins load, how do i change the order so viaversion actually loads as priority

[marble kelp]

that's not how that works

nor should you care about startup times

[rigid nebula]

Oh it's just it shows my version isnt supported like 3 times before the "fallback" plugin i use reconnects the player

[marble kelp]

connect to the right server then? this sounds like a setup issue, not anything to do with the proxy startup?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, initial loading order depends on how the OS returns the file list

move out all jars, copy via in there, copy everything else, pray that it loads first, otherwise 🤷‍♂️

[marble kelp]

I don't think their problem is actually related to startup plugin loads though

[rigid nebula]

Hmm yeah i guess it loads late then, oh well

[tidal musk]

Could not connect to a default or fallback server, please try again later: io.netty.channel.ConnectTimeoutException

help?

[royal hawk]

network issue on your end. the proxy cant reach the server

[tidal musk]

mhm

so

can i fix it some how?

[royal hawk]

check your firewall settings and check route to the server

[tidal musk]

i have done that

[royal hawk]

if youre using something like pterodactyl seek help in their support forum. That networking there is very convoluted

[tidal musk]

i use pterodactyl yea

[tidal musk]

support forum?

[royal hawk]

If that doesnt help then read up on docker-container networking

[reef fulcrum]

they have a wiki page on how to setup a network on their panel