waterfall-help

[meager dagger]

That is already set up:
https://www.codepile.net/pile/qJQKyEev

Like, lobby and server1 are working normally, waterfall is enabled and allows me to go from server to server.
I can access it through my dedicated IP outside of my local network. But I want to access it not for domain.name:port or ip:port. I' dlike to have something like play.domain.name. Because on the clear domain.name I have a webpage and other stuff that works on other ports. I can't just bind all the domain.name to my Minecraft server.
So the stack is working.

[reef fulcrum]

Please stop pinging

You just point everything to bungee then

Once everything is pointed to bungee, you have bungee deal with connecting people to actual servers, then the port is not needed as everything connects through the proxy

[meager dagger]

well

You don't get me at all as I see 😟

[reef fulcrum]

once again

either you point all of the IPs to bungee and then have it do the magic to tell them where to go

or, you use SRV records which allow you to specify the port for the service, but, SRV records can be unreliable

your play. domain just needs to point to the proxy

[meager dagger]

How to access the bungee then?
Right now I have the main server launched on domain.name.25565

I'm trying to set up a new set of test servers with a bungee on domain.name.25501
So by domain.name.25501 I can access the bungee which allows me to jump between lobby and server1

your play. domain just needs to point to the proxy
How to do that? Where to point that play.**** should be redirected to proxy launched on domain.name.25501 ?

[reef fulcrum]

You'd need to use an SRV record if you want to run on a non-standard port

Or, throw everything behind bungee, including your main server

[meager dagger]

Well, I guess I got the point and the possibilities
thanks for your time!

[tidal musk]

.

[delicate phoenix]

AjQueue is decent

[paper umbra]

How can i protect waterfall from bot attacks, fake pinging server in server list, vpn, proxy, exploits, cheats etc

[tidal musk]

TCP shield

[delicate phoenix]

1, Online mode
2, A ddos mitigation service like tcpshield
3, A proper setup.
4, egg's antivpn

[bitter knoll]

Will we need Java 16 for Waterfall to work with 1.17?

[calm ether]

No

[round ocean]

It just makes no sense to run it not with Java 16

[fathom prawn]

does anyone know how to make all their servers show up in one dynamap port?

seems like there is a way to show all the servers behind waterfall but im not finding the correct mojo

[grim umbra]

java 16 has its limits

java 15 plugins might not work with java 16

[noble pike]

Heya so I'm currently on bungee, and have been looking at waterfall a bit
I currently have load balancing (so 2 bungee nodes) which makes the tablist break, would waterfall happen to have handling for that built in by any chance?

(also idk if my plugins will not work on waterfall :T

[digital nimbus]

if you not have dedicated port (25565) you have to play with SRV records

[fathom prawn]

do you mean your running two instances of waterfall?

[round ocean]

Then fix your shit. Illegal reflection can be avoided.

[tidal musk]

players keep disconnect form the server
[21:45:10 WARN]: [/42.74.119.37:32667] <-> InitialHandler - read timed out

will this affect the connection?
[21:13:42 WARN]: Event PluginMessageEvent(super=TargetedEvent(sender=net.md_5.bungee.ServerConnection@7a079d22, receiver=aj9314), cancelled=false, tag=BungeeCord) took 1,242ms to process!

[marble kelp]

one of your plugins is doing dumb stuff

[tidal musk]

it may increase the ping of player?

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[tidal musk]

🤦‍♂️

https://pastebin.com/4WK34svc

[reef fulcrum]

.318

.312

.318

[marble kelp]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/issues/318

[tidal musk]

so its about scoreboard on paper server?

[reef fulcrum]

you have two servers with the same scoreboard team and bungee does not handle switching between two servers where that is the case

[tidal musk]

i dont really understand what is scoreboard team

sry about that 😦

[reef fulcrum]

scoreboard teams

[tidal musk]

https://pastebin.com/CXqDYm1f

is this affect connetion either?

[exotic remnant]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/pull/650

Do I just put ViaVersion on my backend servers?

To allow 1.17 connections

[marble kelp]

you probably need a ViaVersion build which supports it but generally speaking, yes

[exotic remnant]

Alright, thanks

[paper cloak]

waterfall version 1.16-427 is giving this error when client pings the server https://paste.inferworld.co.uk/eqimawufik.yaml

[reef fulcrum]

in general you have a plugin using gson which is apparently not happy with the version of java you're using

latest waterfall build might help

[maiden fox]

did waterfall support java 16

[reef fulcrum]

afaik it works fine

[maiden fox]

good because im planning to switch my dedi on j16

all my servers are able but i was not sure about waterfall

[tough island]

I've got mine running on Java 16 with no dramas

[maiden fox]

but did you have soime plugins on it ?

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall and plugins are two seperate matters

[maiden fox]

yeah but plugin may be not compatible with j16 iirc

[tough island]

Just a few Luckperms, advanced portals and BungeeChat

I should really add banmanager to waterfall at some stage...

[maiden fox]

i have this acutally

[tough island]

All I can suggest is spin up a duplicate instance running on Java 16 and test it.

Core waterfall won't be your problem

[maiden fox]

ok it works

well, time to update to JDK 16

[exotic remnant]

I put it on my backend servers and it still says this

Won't let me connect on 1.17

Do I have to change something in the Waterfall config or?

[reef fulcrum]

do you have a version of via which supports 1.17?

[exotic remnant]

Yes, I got the latest dev build from https://ci.viaversion.com/

[reef fulcrum]

version?

I mean, latest via commit -is rc1, not the release version

[exotic remnant]

I'm on 1.17-rc1

Which is the same one the latest ViaVersion dev build supports

[reef fulcrum]

the release build of waterfall supports the release protocol

not the rc

[exotic remnant]

Oh, so it'll work once 1.17 comes out?

[reef fulcrum]

Or, well, what we're expecting to be the release protocol

yes

[exotic remnant]

Gotcha, would I have to change anything in the config or it'll automatically start working?

[reef fulcrum]

no changes needed

[exotic remnant]

Alright, thanks

[hard jay]

Any recommendations for plugins to setting up portals for crossing worlds connected with waterfall?
And a random teleport option too for wild worlds

[tough island]

I use Advanced Portals for cross server portals. As for random teleporting... Can't help you there.

[bitter knoll]

You can make it work with rc1.
Change the protocol version from the 1.17 (755) to the ID of the rc1 ;)

[hollow prawn]

How do I delete userdata?

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall doesn't store data of players outside of the "last server" file which was called location or something iirc

[hollow prawn]

locations.yml?

if that's correct, that doesn't help as it just has {}

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

Well, that means it's already empty

[hollow prawn]

darn, thanks anyway

[reef fulcrum]

And outside of plugins, that's the only data relating to players that the proxy stores

[hollow prawn]

alright, thank you

[tidal musk]

my server have 80 players

and random 20 players lost connection

it occur several times a day

https://pastebin.com/vXt8w75T

any guess of reason?

[reef fulcrum]

all we can tell you is that the proxy didn't recieve any packets in 30 seconds

[tidal musk]

😿

any way can find the reason?

[fathom prawn]

@tidal musk is your debug showing excessive ticks?

sorry looking at your log it looks like your simply timiing out

peronally what i would do is open a terminal when you see people getting kicked and check your ping to see if its getting slow

i do mean ping your connection url not the server locally

its also possable if you have ssl enabled its seeing it as potentual ddos and closing the connection

[exotic remnant]

How do I do that?

[royal hawk]

SSL? The minecraft protocol uses encryption alright but not SSL

[fathom prawn]

My Google domain had issues fowarding with ssl enabled

Just an idea seems like lagging out in some way is his issue

[junior locust]

how do I make it so that if I fail to connect to one server in priorities list due to whitelist, it autoredirects me to the next server in priorities list

[zinc lily]

forced-hosts

[junior locust]

kk

[junior locust]

in config.yml?

got it

something like this?

[zinc lily]

yes

actually im stupid, it's under the priorities

you just add a server in the servers section and point it to that :P

[royal hawk]

Just that this only works with dns names like hub.server.com or pvp.server.com

[exotic remnant]

Try the priorities section

[zinc lily]

already said that

[exotic remnant]

Sorry, was just replying off my notifications

[exotic remnant]

I keep getting this error in console when trying to join my server on 1.8
Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: java.io.IOException: Packet 0/45 (PacketPlayInSpectate) was larger than I expected, found 4 bytes extra whilst reading packet 45

[exotic remnant]

Sometimes it lets me join and other times, it says this

[digital dirge]

Use 1.16 and use like ViaRewind/ViaBackwards for people to join the server on 1.8

[exotic remnant]

But no other networks I played on had the same issue as me

[exotic remnant]

That's what I've been using

[opaque locust]

I am trying to install waterfall into my 1.16.5 modded server hosted on apexmc can anyone help me

[exotic remnant]

That's not how it works...

[opaque locust]

doesnt waterfall have forge support tho

[exotic remnant]

It does iirc, but you need a separate server for Waterfall

[opaque locust]

ohhh ok

[royal hawk]

1.13 forge and newer isn’t properly supported by any proxy

[forest hazel]

Hi, in build 428 there is an update "Enable 1.17 Release-protocol" - updated and it does not work on the latest snapshot of 1.17 - is there a way to enable it?

[zinc lily]

paper doesnt support snapshots :)

use viaversion

[reef fulcrum]

latest snapshot is not a release

[royal hawk]

That’s not gonna magically change that

[green sequoia]

I know someone is gonna kill me over the this but pros/cons waterfall vs. bungeecord?

[zinc lily]

https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/waterfall/getting-started.html

[green sequoia]

what does this mean/include: Features: Waterfall aims to include more features than canonical BungeeCord.

and thx

[reef fulcrum]

We don't maintain a pretty list of features

most features are API based or config options for stuff, biggest thing for a typical end user is the performance tweaks and various fixes

[green sequoia]

cool

anything like a top 5 list of coolest features or is it all ||secret||

[reef fulcrum]

Nobody generally cares to maintain pretty lists of this stuff

[green sequoia]

Shame

[royal hawk]

Mainly Waterfall: Streamlines some code, adds better modded support, and provides better protection from a few DoS attack vectors

If you want to through all the changes in waterfall go look through the patches

see https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/tree/master/BungeeCord-Patches

[green sequoia]

thx

[azure girder]

Is it somehow possible to connect to Waterfall using 1.17-rc1 or do I need to wait for a full release?

[reef fulcrum]

release

[azure girder]

k thx 😉

[honest cedar]

Is the message "[main/WARN]: Forced host server example is not defined" critical?

[reef fulcrum]

no

[zinc lily]

just means that you misconfigured your forced host

[marble kelp]

try without plugins, you might have some that block it or you are missing the permissions for one

[tidal musk]

Why is my server icon not showing up? It's 64*64, it's named server-icon.png, it's in the right place.

[tough island]

permissions set correctly? 644? set to the right user/group? Restarted the server since you uploaded it?

[tidal musk]

I've restarted the server, yes. What do you mean by the other 3?

I recently changed the logo and it showed that one fine

[tough island]

ok in the folder where you have the image run ls -al and pate the output

[tidal musk]

How? I'm using a pterodactyl panel that a friend setup for me lol

[tough island]

are you uploading the file through the panel?

[tidal musk]

With FTP

[tough island]

managed by the panel?

[tidal musk]

Yes

[tough island]

Ok.. That should be fine...

[tidal musk]

ok

Sooo??

What then?

[tough island]

Is it on your waterfall server or your paper server?

[tidal musk]

Waterfall

[tough island]

what's your server address?

It should be working

[tidal musk]

play.alurin.net

[tough island]

And you're sure it's in the root folder for waterfall

Working fine for me

[tidal musk]

That's the old one

I got a new one

[tough island]

delete the file and restart the server? I want to see if it goes back to the default MC icon

[tidal musk]

Sure

Done

Still there . _.

Where did you put the server-icon.png file

in the same folder as the jar

[tough island]

Can you show us a screenshot of where it is?

[reef fulcrum]

if using ping passthrough it needs to be in the server itself, otherwise, the proxies folder

that screen has been buggy as all shit for years and it not dealing with logos properly is basically just, the defacto for it

[tough island]

That would make sense... Yeah if they nuked it from the proxy it should have died... and it didn't... So they must be using ping passthrough.

[tough island]

Yeah ok cool. Are you using ping passthrough like zzzCat mentioned?

[tidal musk]

Yes

[tough island]

Put the new file on the server then

[fluid ermine]

So all my bungee setup was working, servers connected and everything. I didnt change anything except use waterfall and now 2 of my 3 backend servers cant connect, getting this error

[reef fulcrum]

all that tells us is that we didn't get any packets from the server in 30 seconds

[fluid ermine]

yeah

but like, its all set up correctly

And it all worked before

now it.. just doesnt

[reef fulcrum]

check the server logs, see if there is anything in there

[fluid ermine]

nothing appears when a connection is attempted

yes its the right ip and port and in offline mode

literally worked before

[calm ether]

Then your networking is not properly setup

[fluid ermine]

Well considering it worked perfectly and now it doesnt without any changes..

oh damn

I updated my software for the server and fixed it

sorry to bother you guys with my crap

[tidal musk]

I have

[full kettle]

Recently on multiple occasions players are just timed out. For no reason and the bungee server shows No errors or anything. Just that they timed out. It fixes itself or if i restart the waterfall its fixed instantly.
Any ideas?

[ripe zealot]

does waterfall support forced hosts

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[ripe zealot]

how

[reef fulcrum]

config.yml, there is a section for that

myprettyhost.na.me: serverhere

[odd hatch]

There's an example already in there iirc

[ripe zealot]

can someone help me with why when I enable IP-forwarding in the config.yml it still comes up saying if you wish to use ip-fowarding enable it in the bungee config

[odd hatch]

Make sure your minecraft servers are online-mode: false (server.properties) and bungeecord: true (spigot.yml)

[ripe zealot]

both have that

Because waterfall was working and then it just randomly started doing this

im using paper 1.16.5 servers

[ripe zealot]

this is my config

[tulip surge]

config.yml

https://paste.gg/Pencil/ad624d81bca441909aaf0399867de845

Requested by JT122406#6777 · Jun 8, 2021, 3:12 AM

[spiral merlin]

waterfall doesn't support release candidates right?

[royal hawk]

No

[manic dove]

Using waterfall connection, the network transmission traffic is abnormally high
What could be the problem? The traffic is normal without waterfall

[marble kelp]

did you change the compression threshold?

[manic dove]

NO

[ripe zealot]

Can someone help me with my waterfall issues, with It saying that IP fowarding needs to be enables here are all the configs along with the log: for my papermc server Spigot.wml: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/f805dfc36eca4654beb15c2d9270c47b
paper.yml: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/9f501b4f223d4b5c82ded3ab7036200a
For my waterfall server
config: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/72c3da6533b44781b0f5488c934bba61
Log: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/79dc1bfae64c45da9372dd45abe86147
Thank you

[quartz mauve]

'Make sure your minecraft servers are online-mode: false (server.properties) and bungeecord: true (spigot.yml)'

[ripe zealot]

They have online-mode: false

Here is my Server.properties: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/75d6ebb92b4f4006a5cd5abcf64a52e2

[marble kelp]

are you connecting to your proxy port?

oh wait, your log shows that

make sure you restarted the paper server

(and your proxy)

[ripe zealot]

everything has been restarted a bunch

[barren wind]

Let's say I have my proxy server, a lobby server and a survival server and John is connected to the survival server, suddenly the survival server closes. Is there a way to make John immediately be sent to the lobby server instead of getting disconnected from the entire network?

[marble kelp]

with a plugin, yes

I wrote this simple one for my server: https://github.com/Minebench/KickInfo/

[barren wind]

Thank you! <3

[marble kelp]

on the build server which is linked on the page

[barren wind]

yeah, I found it. Thanks again

[empty merlin]

what is the difrence between bungee and waterfall? i was just curious

[marble kelp]

waterfall is a bungeecord fork which changes and adds some stuff

see the patches on github

[empty merlin]

Ok thx

[empty merlin]

and what is the difrence between waterfall and travertine?

[marble kelp]

travertine was a waterfall fork with 1.7 support, it is no longer developed

[empty merlin]

ok so not recommended?

[marble kelp]

no

[empty merlin]

ok thx

[loud tendon]

Hello there

Sorry for my ignorance, but using the lastest version of does support 1.17. Is there any issue using it?

of waterfall #431

[reef fulcrum]

.try

[marble kelp]

https://tryitands.ee/

[normal anvil]

Does latest waterfall version support 1.17?

[reef fulcrum]

"yes"

[normal anvil]

Why "? xD

[reef fulcrum]

See above

1.17 has just released, we've not tested it, it should work, but 🤷‍♂️

[tawny igloo]

I've an older waterfall fork (just plain waterfall but some custom patches), how can merge to the latest waterfall (and bungeecord)?

[royal hawk]

tested, working

also, sorry, was too late to disable ping on that message

[reef fulcrum]

WOW

Gonna have to fite u

[royal hawk]

Waterfall core dev vs Velocity core dev

[royal hawk]

the patches have an update command if you went from Travertine, otherwise just rebase to upstream

[austere mantle]

In the latest version of waterfall there is no compatibility with ipwhitelist or securednetwork fix pls

[reef fulcrum]

1. nothing to do with us

ipwhitelist was also trash

use bungeeguard

[austere mantle]

I use securednetwork

[royal hawk]

Use bungeeguard.

It’s better and more secure

[austere mantle]

Well, I'll try it

[austere mantle]

Can you put an ipwhitelist in bungenguard?

[reef fulcrum]

No

it uses tokens instead of relying on IPs

checking IPs is massively flawed

[tidal musk]

what happens if I dont have the latest java version when 1.17 comes?

[tulip surge]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 225 hours...

[austere mantle]

The securednetwork also has tokens and ipwhitelist

[tidal musk]

bruh

[serene tide]

If you don't have Java 16 or higher then you will be unable to start the server

[tidal musk]

aha, oki

[austere mantle]

But well I'll see if it works with bungenguard

[serene tide]

Although I'm not certain if the Java update applies to Waterfall as well?

[tidal musk]

ah ok

do you know how I update the version?

[royal hawk]

Waterfall will be Java 11+ going forward, but I am not sure, currently probably still runs on java 8

[elder steppe]

Whenever i try to join any 1.17 server from waterfall, no matter if its fabric or vanilla i get a protocol error

[tulip surge]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 237 hours...

[young rampart]

Waterfall does not support 1.17 yet

[elder steppe]

:p

[royal hawk]

[royal hawk]

Output of /bungee please

[young rampart]

smh

[reef fulcrum]

99% chance, the server intentionally kicked you

you can't use ip forwarding with vanilla

[elder steppe]

even with fabric?

[reef fulcrum]

think there is a mod for that

[royal hawk]

If you took FabricProxy (not the lite version) and updated it then it would work

[elder steppe]

Ill give that a go

thanks

[royal hawk]

But the not lite bungeecord version is discontinued

[elder steppe]

Wait u mean if someone updated the discontinued FabricProxy?

@royal hawk

[reef fulcrum]

yes, as he said

[royal hawk]

[elder steppe]

So at the given moment you cant join vanilla or fabric servers without ip forwarding on?

[reef fulcrum]

with vanilla there is a magical tool to patch the server somewhere

[royal hawk]

That took broke with java 16

[reef fulcrum]

oof

[royal hawk]

Time for my XXX-Add-Modern-Forwarding.patch

[reef fulcrum]

Been wanting to do that, been debating on removing waterfall.yml too and just taking over config.yml so we can keep stuff in one place, mainly as I wanted moern forwarding to be per-server

[royal hawk]

That isn’t as simple

forwarding-mode:”velocity”

The issue is that bungeeguard is a plugin on waterfall

I’d have to account for that and other plugins of the sort

[gloomy sundial]

I have ViaVersion and its addons on my fallback server so when I try to join with an outdated client I'm sent to the fallback server just fine. However, when I join with a newer client like 1.17 I get kicked from the first server saying the server's outdated
Is there a way to make it so I don't get kicked from the server for that and just transferred instead?

[tulip surge]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 243 hours...

[gloomy sundial]

nope didn't ask bout that thx

[wise gazelle]

hey guys

have an issue where /server doesn't work

[royal hawk]

You’ll probably need a plugin for that

[royal hawk]

Startup log?

[wise gazelle]

i have luckperms synced to the server and waterfall

[royal hawk]

use https://paste.gg

[gloomy sundial]

wonder why it works differently with outdated clients vs outdated servers

[royal hawk]

Kick is not unable to connect

[wise gazelle]

@royal hawk https://mclo.gs/QgKyEOs

[reef fulcrum]

well, nobody connected to the proxy

[wise gazelle]

i did

he asked for the startup logs

so i cut it off

[reef fulcrum]

run /bungee

[royal hawk]

What happens when you do /send

It’s build 431

[wise gazelle]

https://i.imgur.com/HRsauMD.png

[wise gazelle]

./send ./server etc all pull up this https://i.imgur.com/2OYirgs.png

[reef fulcrum]

debug your perms

[royal hawk]

Yup

[wise gazelle]

i have all bungeecord perms on luckperms tho

[reef fulcrum]

Please don't ping

check with lpb

[wise gazelle]

sorry mb

[wise gazelle]

https://i.imgur.com/A5RbMaZ.png

luckperms working fine for tags etc

[royal hawk]

/lpb verbose on

[reef fulcrum]

tags are handled on the server itself generally, not the proxy

that screams that you've not setup sync properly or something

[wise gazelle]

yeah i have, sync works too

tested as well

[reef fulcrum]

then, check the user info in lpb

[royal hawk]

what does verbose tell you when you run /server

[wise gazelle]

synced

[royal hawk]

.

[wise gazelle]

given myself that perm as well https://i.imgur.com/N9alG7E.png

[reef fulcrum]

that just says that it got the network message

not that the database is setup properly

it's said that the perm isn't set

[wise gazelle]

i toggled verbose on my console and did ./server

the command was on mc

[wise gazelle]

proxy console

[reef fulcrum]

it's telling you that the perm is not set for that user

[wise gazelle]

hmm...

[reef fulcrum]

check the user info through lpb

[wise gazelle]

i opened an editor window from the proxy and it's synced with my server fine, all bungee perms there
turns out im an idiot and i was putting bukkit.command.server the entire time 🤦‍♂️ lmao im sorry for wasting your time ❤️

[crystal minnow]

Waterfall mentions being compatible with the new minecraft version however i'm getting:

Any thoughts ?

[reef fulcrum]

can't use ip forwarding with vanilla

[naive sky]

So ViaVersion has updated itself to work with 1.17, I assume that I just replace the old .jar files with updated .jar files and it should work? but I am a little confused on how Waterfall would already be compatible even if there hasn't been an update for it.

[calm ether]

There has been updates 3 days ago

[reef fulcrum]

because we don't care about mojang, just the protocol

given that we knew it was unlikely they where gonna change the protocol last minute, we supported it before release.

[naive sky]

Oh, that makes sense, lol

Thank you

[sharp flare]

Is it like fine to remove all permissions: entries from waterfall config and just manage all via a plugin like Luckperms

[reef fulcrum]

if you install a perm plugin the config is basically ignored

[sharp flare]

Aa okay cool, thx

[full kettle]

Could not connect to a default or fallback server, please try again later: io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException

What is this error caused by

[royal hawk]

can be a lot of things

most of the time its a network issue

[undone siren]

anybody else getting "connected you to fallback server" with 1.17 client? but its a straight up disconnect

running viaversion on both main server and lobby and latest waterfall

just this everytime with no errors in any of the 2 server consoles or the proxy https://gyazo.com/f58ac63b54f0ea10f1fd2c3a53969ee1

consoles show me logging in and out of the server i was connected to then the lobby

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[random idol]

https://youtu.be/rhv-W6_y5nI

[undone siren]

i got something

 <-> DownstreamBridge <-> [survival] - overflow in packet detected! A string had more data than allowed. For more information, launch Waterfall with -Dwaterfall.packet-decode-logging=true

[marble kelp]

well there was a too big packet, set the mentioned system property and find out which

[undone siren]

I don't use geyser

[sharp heath]

Oh maybe not then.

[undone siren]

maybe its because I didn't update to your latest forceresourcepacks version on my waterfall

yep that was it

[blazing surge]

hi would someone be able to help me

so i am trying to set up my server so that i can have different versions playing on my 1.16 world but it won't work

idk what to do

[undone siren]

is it possible to use waterfall with a vanilla serv?

[marble kelp]

yes but you might need a server mod like FabricProxy to get it working properly

[undone siren]

isn't that for forge

[reef fulcrum]

No, it's for fabric, as per the name

[undone siren]

aight ill have to look into what fabric is about

[rancid knoll]

so waterfall 1.17 isn't out yet?

[tidal musk]

Warerfall 1.17 Is out

[full kettle]

[22:45:05 INFO]: [pilko_b] disconnected with: Could not connect to a default or fallback server, please try again l
ater: io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException

Was also getting this error

Im getting no other errors when peoppe suddenly cant join anymore ;P. But have to keep restarting

A serious Intermittent problem without obvious errors

Great

[undone siren]

lame

cant use fabric anymore because they only support velocity

[tidal musk]

hey what is waterfall exactly

[reef fulcrum]

it's a proxy which allows players to hop between servers, (fork of bungeecord)

[paper falcon]

Hi, I've updated Waterfall to latest build (431) and ViaVersion (4.0.0) and I can't connect to my lobby by Waterfall. Getting this error (attached image). My lobby is running 1.16.3 but I can easly direct connect there but not while using Waterfall :/

[full kettle]

Thats bungeetablistPlus

Remove it

Only way around it

[paper falcon]

Oh my god thank you! 😄

[full kettle]

Yea i had same issue xD

[glossy yacht]

hiya! is it possible to stop these messages from spamming my console?

[reef fulcrum]

think that there are config options for that but be warned having those settings disabled voids support

[glossy yacht]

oh?

May be a good idea for me to not turn that off then

[jade marten]

a fix for this error?

[austere mantle]

We tested a bot attack with bungenguard and they still come in instead with securednetwork nop, since it has token and IPwhitelist

[marble kelp]

those have nothing to do with bot attacks? wat

[reef fulcrum]

already connected generally implies either a server issue or you have the proxy connecting to itself

[jade marten]

anyone?> fix?
[23:00:22 INFO]: [velesapp] disconnected with: Could not connect to a default or fallback server, please try again later: io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException

[reef fulcrum]

that's a network setup issue

the proxy can't connect to the server

[jade marten]

how can i fix it?

cus im using pterodactyl since i couldnt set it up on vps

[fathom prawn]

@jade marten hi

go check your conf in waterfall i just got that eroor a few days ago when i was setting up my default server settings were incorrect

[jade marten]

@fathom prawn still the same thing

[fathom prawn]

check the host section at the top it needs the local ip and the port

then check the server list at the bottom and make sure the first ones pointed to your lobby

even thou i used the default port i had to call it out host: 192.168.1.24:25565

also if you watch the debug window for waterfall when you start your lobby it should say something i dont remember what but it told me it saw it

[jade marten]

nah bro

its still the same

[fathom prawn]

ok one other thing

did you remember to turn your lobby server to offline mode?

[jade marten]

yes

[quasi coyote]

Hey... is it just me, or does motd under Servers literally do nothing? in Waterfalls Config file

[fathom prawn]

looking at mine

its working for me

[jade marten]

can u send ur config? ill just change it to my ips and everything

[fathom prawn]

for waterfall or my server server

[jade marten]

waterfall bro

[fathom prawn]

i can link you to the guide i used?

[jade marten]

sure

[fathom prawn]

ok sec ill send it in pm

[quasi coyote]

Does anyone know what the motd value under servers actually does? Cos there's nothing documented on it and it seems to not affect anything?

[prisma whale]

Its the same as the MOTD for Paper/Spigot/Vanilla

[quasi coyote]

Waterfall Config.yml ```
servers:
lobby:
address: 10.0.0.23:25501
restricted: false
motd: 'this literally does nothing :)'

[prisma whale]

oh

[quasi coyote]

I change it, and it doesn't affect anything

[prisma whale]

yeah it doesn't do anything

[quasi coyote]

Cool. Wonder why they've put it there... I thought maybe ping_passthrough* had to be on, but no...

[prisma whale]

Not entirely sure tbh

[quasi coyote]

Strange... Also - is it perfectly normal under a correct setup to have the "If you wish to use IP Forwarding, please enable it in your BungeeCord config aswell" error when connecting directly to the lobby, as opposed to connecting to the Waterfall server and having it route you to the lobby?

[fathom prawn]

mines showing but maybe its pulling from the lobby

[quasi coyote]

yours is showing? Assuming you were responding to me? 🙂

[austere mantle]

So the securednetwork is better ps, if you have ipwhitelist and so no bots enter

[marble kelp]

ipwhitelist is trash, use BungeeGuard or a proper firewall

[austere mantle]

But with securednetwork in 1.17 it does not recognize the ip that is in the white list that is a domain

If it is so good because when testing with bots they entered the server, instead with securednetwork not, since it has token and ipwhitelist

[marble kelp]

why are you not just properly configuring your firewall?

also I hope your bungee doesn't run on a VPS/shared host

[austere mantle]

fix the waterfall ps safe is the protocol, since # 428 does not recognize the ip of the securednetwork

[marble kelp]

whatever you are trying to say, it's not really understandable

[austere mantle]

:c

[lean zenith]

R.I.P Travertine 😢 Guess we have to move onto Velocity, as that seems complicated with bungeecord plugins.

[marble kelp]

or... how about not using 7 years old software?

[primal sluice]

What exactly is waterfall?

[lean zenith]

7 year old software that was still kept up to date?

Funny of you to say that

Was good until it lasted

[marble kelp]

wat

1.7.10 has not been updated in 7 years

or well, 6 maybe

[lean zenith]

But Travertine was still up-to-date

[marble kelp]

that doesn't matter?

wat

[lean zenith]

People still used 1.7 for forged modes

Thats why it mattered

[marble kelp]

forge isn't even properly supported by bungee-based proxies anyways

you'll want Velocity for that

[lean zenith]

Why I also mentioned, why we got to move onto that complicated software now

[marble kelp]

not really complicated tbh, a proxy doesn't have that much functionality to begin with

[lean zenith]

Then how come it barely supports bungeecord plugins?

That was the big issue with it

[marble kelp]

because it's a different API?

[lean zenith]

Well thats going to be fun 🙂

[marble kelp]

also for all plugins that only use the plugin channel there is BungeeQuack

(and for the adventereus people out there I made Snap 👀 )

but porting any bungee plugin to velocity is pretty easy

(and the api has more functionality than bungee's in some places 👀 )

[lean zenith]

Well if snap does the job, I'll use that, if I cant manage to figure out how to work Velocity

[ripe zealot]

Do you need IP-forwarding on to use waterfall with forge 1.12.2

Or just forge = true

[undone fulcrum]

anyone know how to fix this

[delicate ermine]

has waterfall updated to support 1.17, or is that a comming soon thing? 🙂

[unreal stag]

this is because you're on a Forge modded server that's >=1.13, which isn't supported

[ripe zealot]

is there a page just on how to properly set up waterfall depending on the different server types you have?

[spark latch]

.flags

[marble kelp]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[twilit oxide]

Hi everyone,
My server SSD filled up today, has caused quite a few issues. I've been restoring files on one of the server.
Some of the waterfall stuff seems to have been messed up. Currently if you login to the server, you join on a different UUID to what the actual account is.
I remember having this issue a long time ago but can't remember what i did to fix it. Would anyone have any ideas? 🙂

[gritty umbra]

What backend server are you using ? Paper ?

[twilit oxide]

yeah 🙂

[gritty umbra]

Did you change the config file to tell paper that you are using bungeecord ?

[twilit oxide]

bungee-online-mode: true

that is in the paper.yml currently

[gritty umbra]

Hum and on your bungee/waterfall are you using online mod ?

[twilit oxide]

Well the server wouldn't let me connect without it being in offline mode.

[gritty umbra]

Not the paper server

The proxy

[twilit oxide]

I have no specific issues joining the hub or whatever, is only the server that the SSD filled up on.

[gritty umbra]

Did you try to start your server else where to make sure that the issue is comming from the ssd ?

[twilit oxide]

Ah I think I might have it.

thank you for your help antbig, really appreciate it.

[gritty umbra]

What was the issue ?

[twilit oxide]

the old spigot.yml file which I didn't have a backup of had it set to false for bungee

[gritty umbra]

ok

[buoyant spindle]

Hi, is waterfall allow to connect to spigot servers too?

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[buoyant spindle]

Wow! I dont expect that

[reef fulcrum]

it's a fork of bungee

[buoyant spindle]

So I can Just run a spigot 1.17 server on my Network and after few weeks, when Paper will be ready I will just replace jar file to paper and thats it?

[reef fulcrum]

Yes, we don't recommend doing that and waiting for stuff to actually be stable first, but, yes, you can

[buoyant spindle]

Ok, thanks a lot. I will think about it... Maybe I will just wait becouse of performance... Paper is better optimized and I know there will be a lot of players in the first few days on my server so prob spigot would not handle it

[reef fulcrum]

first builds of everything are generally unstable

[buoyant spindle]

At 1.15 and 1.16 (first builds) paper handled 3 x 60 players (on 3 subservers = 180 players) without any problems so I think now will be the same

[zealous steppe]

any german dev that can help me to fix an error?

on my Waterfall or Bungeecord server

[young rampart]

.ask

[marble kelp]

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.

[compact yarrow]

can someone help me on how can i add a logo on my minecraft server?

[gritty umbra]

put your logo in the proxy folder with the name server-icon.png

64x64

[zinc lily]

and if that doesnt work put it in the folder of the servers behind the proxy :)

[marble kelp]

no, you disable ping-passhtrough and use the bungee motd/icon

[zinc lily]

or that ^

[jade coyote]

I need for waterflow java16?

[marble kelp]

no? does it say that anywhere?

[jade coyote]

I just think with logic
If BungeeCord from spigot need java16, so maybe waterflow too need?

[marble kelp]

again, where does it say that?

[zinc lily]

"requires java 8 or above"

• waterfall github

nothing on bungeecord github

[round ocean]

md_5 will never update Java if it isn't necessary. He only updated to Java 8 on Spigot-API and BungeeCoord because Java 7 wasn't supported anymore
There was a time where Spigot-API was compiled against Java 7 and Spigot itself against Java 8 because mc was Java 8.

[marble kelp]

imo that makes sense to a point, if you don't want to use the new features then why update the java level that you compile against?

people can still choose to run it on a newever versions just fine

[round ocean]

Yeah sure, except the J1.7 API, J1.8 Impl.

[frail vessel]

Note: restricted prevents players from joining the server unless they have the bungeecord.server.[servername] permission - does the above permission apply to waterfall? Or is it a different node?

[scenic pebble]

Pretty sure that's the same.

[reef fulcrum]

same

[frail vessel]

Cheers 👍

[wise gazelle]

hey, getting this error right now, not sure the cause https://mclo.gs/D14aMwK

[reef fulcrum]

the connection timed out as it says

[wise gazelle]

it gets as far as joining world

[reef fulcrum]

generally network misconfiguration

[wise gazelle]

yeah, already redid config

[wise gazelle]

hey, just reset my entire config and redid it again, any ideas? still showing error pinging server

[reef fulcrum]

are you using a hosting provider?

[wise gazelle]

yep

[reef fulcrum]

speak to your host

make sure that you got the correct IPs, etc

[inner wagon]

does the current latest build of waterfall (the one from today) adds support for 1.17 clients?

[reef fulcrum]

We've had 1.17 for a good few days

[inner wagon]

o

ty

[copper thistle]

any recommended startup flags for waterfall?

[severe badger]

There are some pinned

[copper thistle]

ty

[rough saddle]

out of quriosity, is it possible to run waterfall on heroku?

[tough island]

I've never tried it but have you looked at this? https://elements.heroku.com/buildpacks/jcleary/minecraft-on-heroku

[rough saddle]

lemme see

one thing: i need UDP too so ngrock wont work

this is running a server

i actually need waterfall

[manic dove]

Is there a command to reload plugins? in waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

no

[tidal musk]

So basicly

these guys cant see eachother

but can hit eachother

what went wrong

[gritty crescent]

Can I connect the vanilla 1.17 server to waterfall normally?

[reef fulcrum]

not with ip forwarding unless you mod vanilla

[gritty crescent]

Thank You, have a nice day / night

[little terrace]

This error keeps spamming my console

Task BungeeTask(sched=net.md_5.bungee.scheduler.BungeeScheduler@4eb30d44, id=33, owner=us.ajg0702.queue.Main@6a278584, task=us.ajg0702.queue.Manager$6@603f4e3e, delay=0, period=10000, running=true) encountered an exception
Console15:06:19
java.util.ConcurrentModificationException: null
at java.util.ArrayList$Itr.checkForComodification(ArrayList.java:1043) ~[?:?]
at java.util.ArrayList$Itr.next(ArrayList.java:997) ~[?:?]
at us.ajg0702.queue.Manager.sendMessages(Manager.java:352) ~[?:?]
at us.ajg0702.queue.Manager$6.run(Manager.java:146) ~[?:?]
at net.md_5.bungee.scheduler.BungeeTask.run(BungeeTask.java:66) ~[waterfall-1.16-431.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.16-R0.5-SNAPSHOT:47fa16d:431]
at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1128) ~[?:?]
at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:628) ~[?:?]
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:829) [?:?]

[young rampart]

us.ajg0702.queue.Manager.sendMessages

Tell the dev of that plugin that issue

[little terrace]

Okay, thanks

[tight river]

For some reason my server is saying Bungee cord 1.8.x-1.16.x and when i join It says outdated server Im still on {0}
I have tried updating waterfall and I haven't even logged on with 1.17 i am still using 1.16.4

[tulip surge]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 358 hours...

[tight river]

Not on about 1.17 since i am still using 1.16.4

[reef fulcrum]

version?

server version? logs?

[tight river]

waterfall is build#435 the hub is 1.13.2 with via version and survival is 1.16.5 with via rewind

What logs do you want?

[reef fulcrum]

We don't support protocol hacks

best guess would be make sure that you have via installed properly, i.e. not on the proxy, otherwise, given that it's version related, I'd speak to them

[tight river]

I don't think that's really the issue to be fair cause its not even receiving a error to the hub it fails at the bungeecord side

[reef fulcrum]

'an error'

[tight river]

Like normally if theres a version mismatch it will said that in the console for the hub or survival but it doesn't even get that far

or even a connecting for that matter

all i see is a ping on waterfalls side

[tight river]

Figured out the issue for some random reason my panel changed from waterfall.jar to bungeecord and was it causing issues

[soft forge]

Hello! I'm getting this error only when some players join: https://paste.itaqui.to/DnBBHaKkPY.lua
I'm running build 535.

It is interesting because the error doesn't happen on Bungeecord #1579, only on waterfall.

[royal hawk]

That link seems broken

[soft forge]

Maybe its for the .to tld, some antivirus doesn't seem to like it.
https://hastebin.com/ivevubufos.lua

[royal hawk]

Hmm that error log is very inconclusive

[soft forge]

Huum, its really all that shows up.

[royal hawk]

That’s likely not your fault

Anyway- what are the plugins you’re using

[soft forge]

The users see on their screen as the kicked reason: "EncoderException : java.lang.NullPointerException @ io.netty.handler.codec.MessageToByteEncoder:125"

[royal hawk]

As clearly visible by the stacktrace

Though there is a bevy of things that can invoke that statement

Are you using titles by any chance?

[soft forge]

Yes! A plugin shows titles when a player joins.

Also! I'm using ViaVersion and the player is joining with 1.17

important to say

[royal hawk]

Remove it the title plugin. If that fixes it then it’s related to a known bug I’m not sure is fixed yet

[soft forge]

okey! I'll try.

Yep! The issue is fixed.

#435 is still the latest version, so I'll just wait. Thanks for your support!

[barren wind]

main difference between waterfall and bungeecord?

[reef fulcrum]

performance improvements, exploit mitigation, etc

[barren wind]

why do people still use bungeecord then? lol

[surreal stump]

either they dont know about waterfall or they're dump

absolutely no reason for bungee

[barren wind]

interesting

[zinc lily]

or they're md_5 fans

[exotic remnant]

Is there any way to connect a server using a vanilla jar to a waterfall server?

because I want to have a 1.17 server but at the moment, only the vanilla jar for it is available

and it says this in waterfall console when I try connecting to it
encountered exception: net.md_5.bungee.util.QuietException: Unexpected packet received during server login process!

[young rampart]

No, that's not possible

[exotic remnant]

Alright

[reef fulcrum]

https://github.com/ME1312/VanillaCord/releases

https://github.com/ME1312/VanillaCord

[barren wind]

I know this probably isn't the right place to ask but since tebex's support is dogshit I'd like to ask if tebex bungee is supported

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/buycraftx-bungeecord.25191/updates they haven't updated since 2018

[quartz mauve]

All bungeecord plugins should work on waterfall if not it's a shitty plugin

[unreal stag]

download the plugin from the panel

[barren wind]

do I also need buycraft on my paper servers or nah?

[unreal stag]

yes

since the plugin just runs commands on the proxy

I know this because I wrote the thing late 2015/early 2016

[barren wind]

I just use it for ranks and I have luckperms bungee

[quartz mauve]

Luckyperms only on waterfall and not installed on paper ?

[barren wind]

and the groups share a database that is also connected with the proxy so just running commands on the proxy isn't that bad, right?

[barren wind]

both, they share the same database

[quartz mauve]

A good nice

[real hollow]

How would I get waterfall to show the combined player count of the whole network?

[quartz mauve]

Do you have a tablist plugin?

[real hollow]

on paper or waterfall?

[barren wind]

This is probably what you're looking for.

[quartz mauve]

Waterfall if you want show players on there from multiple server connected to the proxy

[barren wind]

this setting can be found in bungeecord's config.yml

[real hollow]

tyty

oh wait

I already have it on global ping

I dont know if I explained this correctly, by player count I meant the multiplayer server list player count

[quartz mauve]

Before you login to the server the number of online players ?

[real hollow]

yep

[quartz mauve]

Not sure anymore ping_passthrough true maybe

[tidal musk]

these flags correct?

or do i put illegal access warn after -jar

got it

[tidal musk]

Can I make it so if 1 of my paper servers goes down instead of kicking the players, it sends them to a different server?

[prisma whale]

It looks like RedisBungee is no longer supported, is there anything else recommended for keeping two waterfall instances in sync? I need one in Cyprus cause one of my admins has poor connection issues

[nova plume]

You have to use a plugin for that, try redirectPlus

[warped stream]

Randomly every player trying to join my server is now getting an error authenticating with minecraft.net and nobody can join, but other servers seem to be working fine?

Anyone know what's wrong?

[Netty Worker IO Thread #28/ERROR]: Error authenticating donkeykong2323 with minecraft.net
io.netty.resolver.dns.DnsResolveContext$SearchDomainUnknownHostException: Search domain query failed. Original hostname: 'sessionserver.mojang.com' failed to resolve 'sessionserver.mojang.com'

nvm I realized this has been discussed many times in here lol

[tulip surge]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 361 hours...

[soft wing]

Hello
Does the Waterfall 1.17 version need Java16?

[past scaffold]

does waterfall suppor 1.17?

when I switch servers with waterfall 1.17 i get an error that says the server is offline

[tulip surge]

(See #❗-1-17) Paper updates have no ETA, ever. See the following for more information: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5785. In the meantime, every time you ask, we postpone it by an hour, so I believe this makes it 364 hours...

[royal hawk]

No, but 11 or later is recommended

[royal hawk]

Yes and has had support for it even before 1.17 was released

[royal hawk]

That’s an issue on your end

[royal hawk]

Did you change the resolver config- check your DNS settings

[novel vector]

I have a question, when players switch Servers things like the fishing pole suddenly stop working.

They make the noise and all but no line appears and its not actually doing anything besides make a quick noise.

[sick tangle]

Is flamecord really good? does it work well? is it worth switching to the waterfall?

[young rampart]

I wouldnt use flamecord

[novel vector]

I really need some help with that...

[royal hawk]

Disable entity meta rewriting in the waterfall.yml

That should fix it

[novel vector]

It worked, oh my god it worked! Thank you so much!!

[royal hawk]

I know for a fact that the index for the fishing bobber is wrong in the entire version range from 1.14-1.16.5 but md_5 is always refused to listen to my concern. Since you actually had this issue, would you agree to test a fix later?

[novel vector]

My Network is running a 1.12.2 Modpack though, if thats relevant? Sorry, I am pretty new to this.

[royal hawk]

Oh. No- Then the fix is really just to disable that feature. Here is to me overthinking

[novel vector]

Welp, onto the next issue to solve..

[dawn umbra]

hello
can someone tell me how i can use java 8 instead of java 16 cause i both on my pc, i want to use it in a .bat file but i am getting little brain dead when i try to figure it out.

cls
echo This script will keep your server running even after crashing!
title Minecraft WatchDog
:StartServer
start /wait java -Xmx1024M -jar waterfall-1.16-431.jar nogui
echo (%time%) Server closed/crashed... restarting!
goto StartServer``` here is my .bat file code, and IDK if i am on the right place to ask for this help.

[tough island]

Why are you using Java 8!!!!!

[marble kelp]

if you really need it just put the full path to the java.exe instead of just "java"

[tough island]

Also instead of just using java use something like C:\Program Files\Java\openjdk8\bin\Java -jar

[dawn umbra]

i have to use it cause betterstaffchat does not like java 16

all the other plugins for works its just the betterstafchat that does not want to work

will send error it gives now

[tough island]

So why not use Java 11 or Java 14??

[dawn umbra]

https://mcpaste.io/5a2e4bfa38422271

here is it

[tough island]

Pretty sure the issue you're going to have is with a deprecation in 14 that was removed in 15

[dawn umbra]

and i did try that but could it be that the -xmx1024MB might cause an error between it if i do use the path

i still use java 8 cause it is still little reliable for me

[marble kelp]

they need to update asm to 8

contact the plugin dev

(not sure why they even need asm but ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

or well, actually the error would need to be fixed differently too. they either need to use some supported jar loading method or the libraries loading from the plugin/bungee.yml file

[dawn umbra]

what staffchat plugin a can you provide me that would work with discord ?

[tough island]

There are a few out there.. There's even an addon for discordsrv that will do it but it doesn't run from the proxy.. Just the server

[dawn umbra]

ya i want proxy

cause not all my servers is spigot

or bukkit

[white moth]

Is everything ok?

[reef fulcrum]

floodgate?

[white moth]

Hmm?

[reef fulcrum]

Are you using floodgate?

[white moth]

No

[reef fulcrum]

in that case, if you're having issues, use the flag it says and see the real exception

[white moth]

Where i need to put the flag? In config or waterfall yml?

[prisma whale]

in java command line

[digital dirge]

basically the way you'd start the server with a start script. Somewhere in there

[prisma whale]

where you have -jar waterfall.jar

[digital dirge]

What @prisma whale said

[white moth]

Ok, thanx

[urban kindle]

betterstaffchat
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/betterstaffchat-2-way-discord-support-bungeecord-and-spigot.91991/

[tough island]

I think that's what he is using...

[urban kindle]

oh ur right, that's weird then cuz im using it on java 16 just fine

at least on proxy ^

[soft forge]

Yesterday I had this issue, luckily a new version of Waterfall came out so I tried it out. The error now appears a lot less (I think it only happens when the player first joins after a restart), however now I'm getting another error that I was not getting on build 535
https://hastebin.com/moyamoxifu.properties
First you see the new error and then the error from yesterday which I believe its the same one.

[reef fulcrum]

Something tried to send a packet with a null title

[soft forge]

Oh! okey. I'm also talking with the plugin author. Thanks.

[tidal musk]

Hi!

I running 1.16.5 paper-470 java 8 on newest waterfall and I seem to be having issues with players being invisible

this is an issue i would like to resolve soon

[raw mica]

Well that's 300 builds behind so maybe try a simple update first 🙃

[tidal musk]

what would you reccomend?

[raw mica]

latest

[tidal musk]

I can't use lastest paper, it breaks one of my biggest plugins

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall.yml, try disabling tablist rewriting

beyond that, seems a few odd people have got it but no idea of their setups and such

[tidal musk]

I'll try that and get back to you

umm

it was already disabled?

[reef fulcrum]

no

true to disable

[tidal musk]

sorry 😅 i'm frustrated and trying to pay attention

thanks

dang it

it's breaking player skins again

I can see them now

any thoughts?

[tidal musk]

hello?

[reef fulcrum]

online mode or?

[tidal musk]

where would I find that

[reef fulcrum]

is your proxy in online mode or offline mode?

[tidal musk]

yes

[tulip surge]

config.yml

https://paste.gg/Pencil/9d75cd1e6d474b6e9fb7133d2f9e6417

Requested by UwU_letsplay#1405 · Jun 12, 2021, 2:27 AM

[tidal musk]

I reset the config but online mode is on

[reef fulcrum]

you have ip forward disabled

[tidal musk]

It was on before

but i will double check

[reef fulcrum]

and it's disabled in there

which means that your servers aren't gonna get the real UUID of the player

[tidal musk]

that file isn't right

thats not what it is rn

[tulip surge]

uwuconfig.txt

https://paste.gg/Pencil/368b8a4db06f4ed3911587a4581c7e3c

Requested by UwU_letsplay#1405 · Jun 12, 2021, 2:31 AM

[slim lark]

i oh a problem with version 1.17 and no i'm part

if please give me a link of a video tutorial thank you !!

[tidal musk]

Your explanation is very vague

[slim lark]

you know patch up here

[tidal musk]

what

[gritty umbra]

Hello, how can we help you ? In what language ?

[zinc lily]

from the looks of it, spanish

or italian

[slim lark]

i understand talian them

[gritty umbra]

Sorry I don't speak italian 😕

Can you try to use deepl to translate ?

[slim lark]

pull trope no i know what things

[tidal musk]

https://deepl.com

[slim lark]

meanwhile thank you!! and then I knotty the problem for this I thought of you

pull too much I have to go

[glossy lark]

Does Waterfalls have a limit for the maximum number of servers in connection with cloudnet ?

[prisma whale]

you mean the number of backend servers? I dunno what cloudnet is

[glossy lark]

cloudnet is a virtualization software where I can automatically start and stop servers

and yes the maximum number of fallback servers

is there a limit of so 300 servers ? or is that unlimited

[tough island]

No, there's no limit to the number of servers you can connect however if you're getting to that stage you really should be looking at a more complex set up with load balancers and such.

@glossy lark

[glossy lark]

well i want to run over 500 servers

I also have 3 proxy servers

[marble kelp]

you should also know something about the tech at that stage, the proxy does not have any connections unless a player is connected

and while there is no real technical limit there of course is one from a performance viewpoint so with a couple thousand players you will want to load balance and probably use velocity anyways

[glossy lark]

why , I have 128 threads and 1TB Ram is not enough ?

[marble kelp]

try and see I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

but having a single point of failure is dumb anyways

[tough island]

This ^^

What happens if someone accidentally pulls the plug.

It's all good and well for having one beefy server to run the lot but you'll be in a whole world of hurt should ANYTHING go wrong.

[glossy lark]

1. this is my own server that belongs to myself

2. no one but myself will be able to unplug it !

[marble kelp]

don't worry, we wont tell you how to run your business :)

[tough island]

But yes... Going back to the original question there are no limits on how many servers you can connect to waterfall.

[glossy lark]

thank you for the answer

[fervent flume]

what waterfall

[tough island]

???

[dawn umbra]

What would cause the player to be sent back to there previous server they was connected too?

[zinc lily]

the server the player is being sent to being down

[dawn umbra]

no

if all servers are up he gets send to last connected server

ah force_default_server: false

found it

[shut sphinx]

wat is waterfall?

[tulip surge]

PaperMC/Waterfall: BungeeCord fork that aims to improve - GitHub

https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall
Waterfall was forked because of the fact that upstream does not accept many contributions that are intended to better the ecosystem. Simply put, Waterfall aims to

Requested by naom e [not very smart] - papermc waterfall - result 1 of 10

[shut sphinx]

spigot -> paper
bungeecord -> waterfall

[young rampart]

yea

[exotic remnant]

It won't let me access this page

[zinc lily]

wrong link

https://papermc.io/javadocs/waterfall/1.16/

[exotic remnant]

I just clicked the link on the GitHub page

[zinc lily]

then the link is wrong

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[exotic remnant]

Yeah

[reef fulcrum]

something is tryn aconnect to the proxy

can't really say what

[wintry cobalt]

Something strange is happening and I am not sure what. I know what this error means and why I am getting it, but I never got this error before as it just started happening. I have 5 HUBS and they are listed in the priority. So I.E. I have HUB01 down right now and only have HUB02 online and when you join the server I get that message. I use to not get that message because it would check the priority list and then just go to the next in line.

So why am I all of a sudden getting this message when I use to not to and how can I suppress it?

[noble geyser]

Hey folks, I'm working on setting up a couple of paper servers behind bungeecord and I just learned about waterfall. I'm planning on using Geyser for crossplay. Is waterfall stable? Is it compatible with Geyser? (Also looking for recommendations for a good 'portal' mod so I can set up portals to the servers from the lobby)

[marble kelp]

yes and should be

[noble geyser]

Thanks. Are the config files identical?

[marble kelp]

there is an additional waterfal.yml

*waterfall

[noble geyser]

Cool, appreciate the heads up.

[limpid tulip]

I use geyser with waterfall. Works great and you only need it installed on the proxy. If you use floodgate put those on the servers also, but not geyser

[twin solstice]

lol

[white tundra]

Im trying to connect my 1.17 waterfall -> 1.17 spigot server and getting this error

Any idea how to fix it ?

is it client side problem

[zinc lily]

looks like some packet exceeded the size limit

[zinc lily]

is it necessary to port forward all of your connected servers as well, or does waterfall automatically handle that

[white tundra]

is it because my lobby have plugins ?

cause it have tablist and bossbar message

[zinc lily]

thanks for clearing that up^^

appreciate it

[prisma whale]

you need to port forward if you backend and waterfall are on different datacenters or locations

fyi port forwarding =/= opening a port on the firewall

theres a lot of setups here where people use waterfall to mask their home mc server by buying a cheap vps for the proxy, in those situations you need to port forward so when the proxy forwards to the backend server, it knows how to traverse NAT

[zinc lily]

i dont vps, it's all locally hosted :)

[tidal musk]

what is this

im using waterfall

and connecting to 1.17 server

viaversions is on bungee

[calm ether]

update waterfall

[tidal musk]

okay

[zinc lily]

https://google.it

[gritty umbra]

Waterfall is a fork of bungeecord

[royal hawk]

It’s the software this support channel is for….

[zinc lily]

wrong message reply

w

[gritty umbra]

Sorry

[royal hawk]

[gritty umbra]

Same as bungeecord but wih optimisation and with a repo more open to external modifications

[acoustic jewel]

does someone have some nice iptables rules for spam protection /ddos?

[marble kelp]

pure firewall rules will most likely not protect you from that

depending on what you want to block you could use fail2ban: https://gist.github.com/Phoenix616/e43a14f1eadcdc62f3f6b1f7b840cd48

[acoustic jewel]

I only know that iptables were pinned here by zzzCat and they helped. but i cant find them.

[marble kelp]

really depends on what you are up against

[acoustic jewel]

There were TCP / connection limiters for bungee cords. Also spam protection, etc.

[zinc lily]

#waterfall-help message

i think

[acoustic jewel]

thanks i will try

[marble kelp]

why would you need both?

as far as I can tell one just rejects while the other one logs too?

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall is irrelevant there

that's all down to stuff like geyser and what they support

[manic agate]

Can't get WF build 437 to work.
Something about Index 24 out of bounds for length 5 :/

[zinc lily]

post logs

[manic agate]

That the odd thing: there is no error or other strange lines. I just can't join.

[marble kelp]

how does it say that message then if there is no error or strange line?

[manic agate]

When I join, it displays this. Idk. I'll just skip this build. np

[marble kelp]

oh on the client

check if the error happens with bungeecord build 1584 too and not with build 1581 maybe?

[manic agate]

It seems to be a conflict with viaversion/bungeeguard. I'll test futher with bc as well.
Edit. bc has it too.
Edit2: found a working combination. Thx all

[barren wind]

Is it possible to connect a vanilla server to the proxy?

[reef fulcrum]

with vanillacord, yes

[barren wind]

and what's that?

[reef fulcrum]

it's a magical tool

[winged light]

Is there any way to add a new server to a proxy without restarting it? I know of /greload but that seems like it's almost as bad as running /reload on a backend.

[left finch]

google didn't help for this error, i was hoping papermc could

my plugins

[left finch]

After removing viaversion it's just giving me a timeout error now..

ok with absolutely no plugins it has to be some sort of misconfiguration error right?

[winged light]

please @ me if you respond :)

[left finch]

On my backend servers i have it set to offline mode, spigot.yml has bungeecord true and bukkit.yml has connection-throttle as -1, when i try to directly connect i get if you wish to use ip forwarding enable it blah blah, that, it's enabled on the proxy, but when i try to connect on the proxy, it reads timed out

And sometimes it just says couldn't connect to default or fallback server.. literally everything is correct, all ips, all ports, everything

[calm ether]

1- you should not directly connect to this server and should apply some networking rules to make it not accessible to prevent hacks of your server (impersonating)
2- you probably not set the rigth ip:port to your waterfall config

are the waterfall and the server on the same host (machine) ?

[severe badger]

This is not a spam channel.

!kick 802079015984562217 This is not a spam channel.

[kindred parrot]

:raised_hands: Kicked weedisbadkids#2110 (This is not a spam channel.) [1 total infraction] -- NotMyFault#3732.

[left finch]

they are on the same machine. and yes i'm aware i'm not supposed to let people directly cnnect

[calm ether]

if they are on the same machine you can use 127.0.0.1:port in your waterfall config

[left finch]

alr, give me a sec

Just getting timed out,

https://pastebin.com/YeJeVXts

my conif

[tidal musk]

Will bungeecord plugins work on waterfall

[severe badger]

Yes

[left finch]

I've tried a lot, setting localhost, 0.0.0.0, 127.0.0.1, toggled so many settings, but i still always get this timeout issue

[calm ether]

hum, do you join any of these ?

cause it looks like you cant even join your waterfall

[left finch]

Yes I can join them

I mean, if i disable bungeecord on the backend server, I can ( at spigot.yml )

if i enable it, then get the ip forward error

[calm ether]

but can you join any of these through the waterfall ?

[left finch]

nope

[calm ether]

if you shutdown your waterfall and change one of your servers to use port 25565, can you direct join it ?

[left finch]

Yeah, that def works

Some servers get this error while connecting through waterfall

Changed the prioirites so I could connect to a different server to show u

Also I'm on pterodactyl and i'm hosting on a vps

[calm ether]

Ah

Thats an important piece of information lol

I don't know ptero but i'm pretty sure its normal that it doesnt work

Find some waterfall pterodactyl guide on google

I cna't help you more

[left finch]

It's a game panel, and i set it to auto-config ufw as well as allocate correctly, connections are open through both TCP and UDP

[calm ether]

not sayin its bad, i just dont know it

[left finch]

https://pterodactyl.io/community/games/minecraft.html#configuring-a-server-network-bungeecord-waterfall-hexacord-etc didn't know there's so much more configuration to do here, damn

[next kestrel]

What I do is to just set it to the servers local ip inatead of for example localhost oe 127.0.0.1, maybe try to do that

[left finch]

Lol I tried all possible combos even changed the backend ips to 127.0.0.1 localhost etc. I need to do some configuration on the panel, as that guide says ^

[white tundra]

Have u found the solution for it ?

Im also facing the same problem like urs

[reef fulcrum]

you just need to bind the backend servers to ports on the ptero network interface and connect over that

localhost is the containers local host, which is isolated from everything else

[left finch]

yes i did i followed ptero's configuration requirements

[left finch]

and apparently also open ports in the pterodactyl network adapter on your dedicated server/vps so that they can interact with other servers

[left finch]

https://pterodactyl.io/community/games/minecraft.html#network-configuration just follow this first then everything will be fine

[reef fulcrum]

I got no idea WTF that guide is doing

You literally just bind the servers to the ptero0 interfaces IP, configure the proxy to connect to the ptero0 interface

[left finch]

well... don't know myself about ptero and their weird network things, but oh well

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next kestrel]

I meant the server machines like local ip for the networkm for example 10.10.235.4 or 192.168.1.5 or something

[dry osprey]

Hey, I guess you guys have to answer this questions a hundred times per day but I cant find a answer anywhere... Does the current Waterfall version work with spigot 1.17?

[delicate phoenix]

Yes

[brazen fractal]

is it possible to use hex colors in the motd? 🙂

[zinc lily]

i think so

you have to use some special syntax for it though

[brazen fractal]

which syntax?

[zinc lily]

im not sure, probably says somewhere on the minecraft wiki

[tidal musk]

How do I download waterfall to 1.8

[severe badger]

Click download

[reef fulcrum]

latest supports 1.8-1.17

[tidal musk]

it only has for 1.16

[zinc lily]

waterfall supports all versions from 1.8-1.17

[severe badger]

Read one message above

[brazen fractal]

Build #437

[tidal musk]

ok