waterfall-help

[wraith stirrup]

The addresses?

[junior lodge]

check youyr version and your mods

[wraith stirrup]

1.20

[junior lodge]

im not completey smart with this

but i looked it up

[wraith stirrup]

Me either lol

[junior lodge]

has something to do with mods and stuff

if u want u can dm me and i can help

[wraith stirrup]

Do you know where to find mods?

Okk

[junior lodge]

just download lunarclient

[untold gazelle]

hey, so i downloaded waterfall in hopes to get some kind of connection between my three servers, but im running an error that i cant seem to find a fix to...
the error in question is

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "java.util.Map.get(Object)" because "submap" is null
and all i did was add the servers in the config and changed the ip for waterfall

any help on thiswould go a long way

[reef fulcrum]

We'd need to see the full exception

[untold gazelle]

[02:09:29] [main/ERROR]: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "java.util.Map.get(Object)" because "submap" is null
[02:09:29] [main/ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.conf.YamlConfig.get(YamlConfig.java:131)
[02:09:29] [main/ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.conf.YamlConfig.getServers(YamlConfig.java:229)
[02:09:29] [main/ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.conf.Configuration.load(Configuration.java:118)
[02:09:29] [main/ERROR]: at io.github.waterfallmc.waterfall.conf.WaterfallConfiguration.load(WaterfallConfiguration.java:67)
[02:09:29] [main/ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCord.start(BungeeCord.java:291)
[02:09:29] [main/ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCordLauncher.main(BungeeCordLauncher.java:67)
[02:09:29] [main/ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:15)
like this?

[reef fulcrum]

so, busted config

[untold gazelle]

ah

its adding "null" in the "servers:" and i dont know why

does it have to match the folder name of the server?

[reef fulcrum]

it doesn't know or care about the servers folder name

[untold gazelle]

okay...

should i share the config file to see if you guys can see the error in this file? cuz either im blind or im not seeing it at all

[reef fulcrum]

if you want us to look at it you'd need to share it

[dry thunder]

Please send large files/logs to a pastebin

[untold gazelle]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/de2dfa1762874c83b84c255800710907

[reef fulcrum]

pretty sure that the servers section is supposed to be a map list

oh, no

that config is fine, bar the servers: null thing

[untold gazelle]

it automatically adds "null" in there for whatever reason

[reef fulcrum]

do you have plugins on the proxy?

[untold gazelle]

i do not

[reef fulcrum]

Are you using a control panel or something?

[untold gazelle]

windows terminal preview for the tabs and to keep things organized

otherwise, no

[reef fulcrum]

if I delete line 49 from your config file it loads fine

[untold gazelle]

oh

[untold gazelle]

oh it works now

that was it

so simple yet overlooked

thank you so much

[untold gazelle]

heres another question, is waterfall compaitbilty with quilt servers? or am i being stupid here

asking cuz i switch between the paper servers, just not into my main quilt nor its testing server at all

[reef fulcrum]

it's compatible with vanilla

mod support and proxies is generally down to the mods themselves on the fabric-esque platform

[shut summit]

When I do /server survival It doesnt send me to survival. It just kicks me to the next available server

If im on lobby and do /server survival it kicks me to creative. vice versa

[16:17:28 INFO]: [ARR4NN|/IP] <-> ServerConnector [creative] has connected
[16:17:38 INFO]: [ARR4NN|/IP] <-> ServerConnector [survival] has connected
[16:17:38 INFO]: [ARR4NN|/IP] <-> ServerConnector [survival] has disconnected
[16:17:38 INFO]: [ARR4NN|/IP] <-> ServerConnector [lobby] has connected
[16:17:39 INFO]: [/IP|ARR4NN] <-> DownstreamBridge <-> [creative] has disconnected

servers:
  creative:
    address: IP:25569
    motd: '&1Creative Server'
    restricted: false
  lobby:
    address: IP:25596
    motd: '&1Lobby Server'
    restricted: false
  survival:
    address: IP:25579
    motd: '&1Survival Server'
    restricted: false

creative and lobby work. Survival doesnt

[reef fulcrum]

you would need to work out why survival is kicking you

[shut summit]

Survival serever console doesnt even say i tried to join

Yeah. Nothing in survival console

Any ideas?

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, none

outside of "reproduce without plugins", I got no idea, you'd need to work out why it's being disconnected

[shut summit]

I tried to change firewall things.
[16:53:31 INFO]: [ARR4NN] disconnected with: Could not connect to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall?

servers:
  creative:
    address: 172.18.0.1:25569
    motd: '&1Creative Server'
    restricted: false
  lobby:
    address: 172.18.0.1:25596
    motd: '&1Lobby Server'
    restricted: false
  survival:
    address: 172.18.0.1:25579
    motd: '&1Survival Server'
    restricted: false

I use pterodactyl panel

This is one of the servers network

[outer magnet]

Hi! We've set up a waterfall server with multiple minecraft servers connected to it. Jumping between the worlds with the "/server" command works fine, but how to execute normal commands like "/tp" on the currently connected server?

[steep prairie]

Can i use domain for connect the server?

[ivory onyx]

why not?

[lost river]

you can use the normal tp command as a player, since waterfall will forward any commands it does not recognize.
if you want to use these commands from the console, you have to use the console of the minecraft server you are on.

[meager dagger]

Hello there guys!

I wonder if there any way to make what I'm thinking about:
At the moment I have one "server": waterfall and 5 subservers: survival, creative, games, etc.
But I'm planning to detach minigames servers from my main network, and place them under another IP/domain (with another waterfall proxy).

Is there a way to make sort of a "bridge" between them?
Like, player will connect to play.server1.com and go survival, but via gui/npc/whatwer he could easily jump to play.server2.com and via-versa.

So basically I'd like to my both networks accessible via different IPs, but in the same time players could connect between them without "leaving/quitting/disconnecting".

Or am I understanding that completely wrong? I'm not sure that's why actually asking here not just googling for whatewer I do not understand completely.
Hope for your understanding and looking forward for any advices. Thanks ❤️

[reef fulcrum]

proxy in proxy is unsupported

you could just used forced hosts so that the different domain defaults them to a different server in your proxies list

otherwise, no, there is no manner to make a client join another server/proxy, not until 1.20.5

[meager dagger]

the different domain defaults them to a different server in your proxies list
hmm, that seems like what I really need

So.. in listeners: setting up the forced_hosts: with play.server1.com: survival and myminigamesdomain.com: games would force* players which connecting with listed domains to correspond server?

*|| I guess that's why it is named like that ||

If so, I'm.. surprised that this is THAT easy, lol

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[reef fulcrum]

It's pretty much all the exact same logic

[tidal musk]

hey im trying this now and i keep getting this error saying public key request failed

[dry thunder]

Please send large files/logs to a pastebin

[tidal musk]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/be49db6c47db48e08af1cb5871e9f719

the channel name is playertransfer:dataholder

[reef fulcrum]

looks like nothing to do with waterfall

[tidal musk]

is it a mojang problem or something to do with me doing something wrong somewhere else?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, your error happened on your backend server

and happened due to connection to mojangs services timing out

[opal cove]

how can i make a fork of Waterfall with paperweight

[reef fulcrum]

you don't

[weary leaf]

So I had my waterfall servers all set up and working and I decided to test the load on my hardware by attempting to join with my alt account (not cracked). When I tried joining with my alt I got disconnected with the message "java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException @ io.netty.handler.codec.MessageToMessageDecoder:98" and "UpstreamBridge - could not decode packet!
io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException" in the console. Afterward I couldn't join with the original account either. I tried removing all the plugins on each server but to no avail. Also tried removing the usercache but that didn't work.

Client version is release 1.20.4; Waterfall 1.20-562; Paper 1.20.4-423

[weary leaf]

Ok I actually just found a tentative fix. I've been using the Minekube Connect plugin instead of port-forwarding, which has worked well, and I enabled the setting to allow offline mode players to join in its config file (only in the waterfall server though). Added a skinrestorer to fix the default skin and now I can join with both accounts. My accounts aren't cracked so I'm not sure why that worked but whatever

[crystal ocean]

Anyone know how I can get waterfall to run in a docker compose container? Can the image be java? How can I get it to use the VM's network and not it's own?

[crystal ocean]

Nvm, got it

[silent ridge]

Why my waterfall cannot bind to port?

https://pastes.dev/9e4HTpQlFb

[reef fulcrum]

Because that ip address you set is not available in whatever environment it’s running

[silent ridge]

.

Ok

[tidal musk]

Are the messages in Waterfall translatable, such as "The Proxy is restarting"? I also have another question: can the protocol version be changed so that "Waterfall 1.8.x 1.9.x 1.10.x 1.11.x ...." does not appear? and finally, is there an option in Waterfall to redirect players in case a server goes down, which is done by the RedirectPlus plugin?

[meager dagger]

Hello.

One of my players continiously being kicked with this error in Waterfall console:
https://pastebin.com/AVfkxMmH

Error occurs when player trying to send something in chat.
He is the only one who get kicked, wtf 🤯

waterfall: 1.20-558
paper: pufferfish 1.19.3

player tried with a lot of clients: vanilla 1.20.4, 1.20.3, fabric 1.20.2, fabric 1.20.4.
Me, with 1.20.2 playing fine.

Would be happy for any advice! Thanks

[reef fulcrum]

Known bungee issues

[tidal musk]

Are the messages in Waterfall translatable, such as "The Proxy is restarting"? I also have another question: can the protocol version be changed so that "Waterfall 1.8.x 1.9.x 1.10.x 1.11.x ...." does not appear? and finally, is there an option in Waterfall to redirect players in case a server goes down, which is done by the RedirectPlus plugin?

[reef fulcrum]

1. yes, you can extract the messages file from the jar and place it in the folder of the proxy
2. yes, you cn change the version numbers in waterfall.yml with a string, we don't support removing he attribution, however
3. No, use a plugin

[deep notch]

Hey, what I do wrong?

[reef fulcrum]

generally would suggest you failed to setup ip forwarding

[deep notch]

Where do I have to activate/set this?

[reef fulcrum]

generally, in he proxys config file and in spigot.yml on the backend server for bungee mode

[deep notch]

I have now set "ip-forwarding" to true in the config.yml for waterfall, but I can't find the location on my paper server. The point was neither in the spigot.yml nor in the bukkit.yml and server.properties.

[reef fulcrum]

it's called bungee in spigot.yml

[deep notch]

Oh okay, thank you for your very fast help!

[remote sky]

I have set my lobby server to offline mode, went into spigot.yml and set bungeecord to true

but I get the error saying my sub-server is in online mode (which it isn't)

can someone help?

[reef fulcrum]

that error only shows when the proxy is sent a packet which is only sent in online mode

generally that would be down to the thing you connected to is in online mode, janky plugins, etc

[remote sky]

I can send both configs from waterfall and paper server so you can see for yourself

[remote sky]

this is all fresh installs bro

shit

pinged my bad

here's all 4 of the configs

[tulip surge]

server.properties by @remote sky: https://pastes.dev/ySQaChXCQV

[tulip surge]

config.yml by @remote sky: https://pastes.dev/eJsjpIMzBs

[tulip surge]

bukkit.yml by @remote sky: https://pastes.dev/3ZHSdeNNnU

[tulip surge]

spigot.yml by @remote sky: https://pastes.dev/dUaBqk3LcP

[remote sky]

getting this error now.

[charred coral]

Enable:
ip_forward: true

[charred coral]

In here

[meager dagger]

Hello there!

Got a problem with 1.20.4 clients on only one from the few servers I have.
Waterfall error stack trace: https://pastebin.com/XZDxFtPj
Paper console: just fine, no any errors/warns.

Issue: player got kicked out of the server when someone writing to the chat.

Issue is resolvable, I just need to disable the chat plugin 🙂
So my guesses is that the root of the issue are the JSON messages that the plugin is using.

But the problem is that.. my other server uses literally the same jar file of the chat plugin and everything works fine.
And obviously, servers are under the same waterfall network.

Would be happy to hear any suggestions. Thanks in advance.

VentureChat 3.7.1
paper-1.20.1-196
waterfall-1.20-558
Not sure what else could I share?

[reef fulcrum]

known bungee issue

I forgot who looked into it and worked out what it was, but, bungees chat handling is basically not properly compatible with vanillas formatting allowances and so it blow up in cases which mojang is happy with

[meager dagger]

Oh, so.. I wonder now is it possible to.. resolve?
Because, again, the most annoying thing is that one server works fine (same 1.20.1 version, and same plugin), and the other - don't. lol

Anyway, that's good that this is a known issue

[reef fulcrum]

Waterfall is EOL

idk if anybody has reported the issue to upstream

[meager dagger]

Waterfall is EOL
wdym? End-of-life?

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

[meager dagger]

so, now it's time to finally switch to velocity?

[tulip vortex]

yes

[visual steeple]

Hello, a few days ago we've updated our waterfall from #536 to the newest #562, but ever since our proxy freezes after about 12h. The only thing we updated with this move is bungeetablistplus as it required it. The error states possibly out of memory or process/resource limits reached, which is weird as the proxy in ptero only used 5-8% cpu usage at max and is only using 700-900mb/2000mb, so it is nowhere near. I alrdy increased the pid limit for something else once which helped with a similar error, but I doubt the proxy uses that much pid threads that I would need to increase this limit again, especially when other subservers which use like 8x the resources, run just fine, it is just an issue on the proxy. Is there anything I could do or is adding a higher pid limit in ptero and more ram the only option?

[winged pilot]

figure out which plugin is spamming threads or increase the pid limit again

more ram isnt gonna help

[visual steeple]

I see, is there any specific way to track down which one it is which is recommended?

[olive skiff]

Hey folks,
Any solutions for Waterfall Issue #841 (https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/issues/841) with HAProxy 2.0+? If you've got a fix or workaround, I'd love to hear it.

[reef fulcrum]

test with bungeecord, if you can reproduce it there, report to them

[olive skiff]

Someone else has already reported a related issue (https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/issues/3608), so no need for a duplicate report.

[pseudo forge]

So it is a problem in their side.

[reef fulcrum]

For various reasons I do not provide network support

but, that's a timeout, which would generally suggest that it fialed to connect within that timeframe, or the connection was generally lost alltogether

general first thing would be checking the VPN itself, what is the connection between the two like latency wise? (try doing something like sending a 1G file or something)

it should work

Just, I mean, after many years of "oh, btwm when I plug into this other router it all works", I, eeer....

flips a table just remembering

[ancient quartz]

How come skins don't work in my waterfall network?

The servers are in offline mode, though I thought it was a requirement for bungeecord

[reef fulcrum]

make sure that waterfall itself is in online mode and that you've setup bungee mode properly

[ancient quartz]

Yeah okay I think I got it

[magic estuary]

is there a list of compatibility in versions between waterfall and paper ?

[reef fulcrum]

what?

[acoustic spear]

Hi, I have a big memory leak after updating waterfall from 1.20.2 to 1.20.4. I thought it was my tab plugin issue so I replaced it (unless both are faulty, but I don't think so), but it still occurs. IO and JSON threads can be seen in spark. Someone know what can it be?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, that'snot showing a memory leak

that's just showing that the thing that your tab list plugin is doing over that period of runtime is producing a lot of memory allocations

[acoustic spear]

what about this screen, 3 TB in 2 hours

two different plugins tho

[reef fulcrum]

The way spigot handles components now is generally just bad

Waterfall is EOL

[acoustic spear]

damn

[pseudo sail]

Hello! i would like to ask if theres a plugin for firewall protection?

[winged pilot]

bungeeguard

[magic estuary]

can i run this kind of configuration? Or do i get weird behaviour due to version mismatches ?

[reef fulcrum]

Well, yes, but only 1.20.4 clients can connect to 1.20.4 unless you use protocol hacks

[magic estuary]

using viaversion works so far, but sometimes some of my clienst get random kicks and network disconnects, im trying to debug the issue but logs show not much usefull information. So i thought maybe it could be waterfall <--> paper version mismatches, but that doesnt seem to be the issue, maybe viaversion, ill go check there discord 😄

[marble kelp]

network disconnects should have nothing to do with the software used but your network setup

[charred wind]

new "transfer" add do waterfall

what is it

?

cookies too

new protocol

before is 1 for ping and 2 for login

now 3 for transfer

how it works and how to use

transfer for "ip and port" connect to other server like a proxy do?

the difference

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, case 2 was using the same logic as case 3, see the additional checks

I don't really keep up with what spigot is doing, however

outside of that, see mojangs release threads

[tidal musk]

hello, i am getting this error when a bedrock player using geysermc proxy connects to my waterfall server

06:47:51 WARN]: [/106.193.129.102:0|.zChinmay] <-> DownstreamBridge <-> [hct] - could not decode packet!
io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: com.google.gson.JsonSyntaxException: java.lang.IllegalStateException: Not a JSON Object: ["Update Vault at: "]
        at ier.channelRead(ByteToMessageDecoder.java:318) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:e07197d:564]
        at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannelHandlerContext.invokeChannelRead(AbstractChannelHandlerContext.java:444) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:e07197d:564]
        at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannelHandlerContext.invokeChannelRead(AbstractChannelHandlerContext.java:420) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:e07197d:564]
        at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannelHandlerContext.fireChannelRead(AbstractChannelHandlerContext.java:412) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:e07197d:564]
        at io.netty.channel.DefaultChannelPipeline$HeadContext.channelRead(DefaultChannelPipeline.java:1410) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:e07197d:564]
        at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannelHandlerContext.invokeChannelRead(AbstractChannelHandlerContext.java:440) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:e07197d:564]
        at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannelHandlerContext.invokeChannelRead(AbstractChannelHandlerContext.java:420) ~[waterfall.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:e07197d:564]

it is also happenning when a java edition player is trying to connect

[reef fulcrum]

Known bungeecord issue

updating vault will kinda mitigate it, but, yea...

[marble kelp]

how do they manage to send such a packet? Oo

[reef fulcrum]

the server is sending nbt

bungee tries to convert it into json

[tawny dirge]

I currently have a bungeecord proxy. Is it possible to upgrade to waterfall without losing settings?

[marble kelp]

it's basically a drop-in replacement

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

Just note that the software is EOL

[tidal musk]

vault isnt updated since like 4 years and i already have the latest version on my serv, yk anything else that can fix it

[marble kelp]

last update was 2 years ago so wrong

[reef fulcrum]

1. Vault is saying that it has an update, so, it probably has an update

2. This is a bungeecord issue, and waterfall is EOL

[tidal musk]

mhm

[tidal musk]

alright, thank you

[marble kelp]

https://i.phoenix616.dev/hfJIjKor.png

[tawny dirge]

To change from bungeecord to waterfall I just have to replace the bungeecord.jar with the waterfall.jar file, I'm confused, who can help me?

[marble kelp]

you just replace it, yes

[reef fulcrum]

Yes, you should just be able to replace the jar

[upper bane]

hi

i get this error

[marble kelp]

something, most likely an outdated plugin, is sending malformed packets

[tulip vortex]

lol

[charred wind]

it's not a vault problem..

ViaVersion related

or SkinRestorer

i don't remember

[charred wind]

it seems to be something to connect the player to another IP:PORT by sending a "transfer" packet to the client, and the client itself will change the player server, I believe it is possible to make a loadbalance with this, that new "cookie" can be used to store a token to authenticate the player on the sub servers

i like it

@tidal muskupdate your plugins and the Waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

I never said it was a vault problem

[reef fulcrum]

Yes, this is all covered in mojangs thing; the token is just a way to pass arbitrary data between sessions

If via is a factor, it’s probably via producing an nbt component which is perfectly valid in vanilla which spigots backwards “convert the nbt to json” is blowing up

[olive steeple]

Everything is correct

The ip is correct

Installed bungeeguard on all backend servers

I even tried using localhost:[port]

[lost river]

@olive steeple

1. does the waterfall server run on the same host as the backend servers?
2. is the server-ip field in the backend servers blank or the ip you use in the bungeecord config?
3. is there a firewall? If yes, could it be blocking the connection?

[olive steeple]

Fixed it

[bitter birch]

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Reason: Quick-banned for sending a message in #waterfall-help

[wraith cliff]

Help ple

I have a waterfall proxy

But when I connect to my survival it says "kicked while connecting to Survival... Unknown data in login host name did you forgot to enable bungeecord in spigot.yml?

I have it enabled

And restarted the server too

Also In Bukit.yml I have connection throttle set to -1

Pls help

[wraith cliff]

Bro why noone helps

I had this isuee for over 23days already

Nvm I'm switching to normal bungeecord

[wicked tusk]

because everyone has switched over to velocity

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, you have had the issue for so long, but, this is your first time showing up here, waterfall is also EOL, so starting a new project with it would be dumb

(and, at least in paper, that message can only be triggered when you don't have the proxy logic enabled, i.e. bungeecord mode)

[wet cradle]

Why is my bungee crashing whenever I put the xms/xmx higher

If I allocate 4gb for the bungee server, how much can I put at the Xms and Xmx?

[reef fulcrum]

Most memory is off-heap

i.e. outside of what Xmx controls, and so if you don't leave enough space for the JVM and the native buffers, etc, it will run out of memory

[wet cradle]

So what should i put at Xms and Xmx?

with 4gb allocated

[reef fulcrum]

1G

depending on your needs, but there is generally little need for waterfall to have too much memory allocated to it

[wet cradle]

java -Xms128M -XX:MaxRAMPercentage=95.0 -Dterminal.jline=false -Dterminal.ansi=true -jar {{SERVER_JARFILE}}

thats the default

[reef fulcrum]

Outside of that, it's worth noting that waterfall is EOL

Yes, and that does not consider that most of waterfalls memory usage is off heap unless you have heavy plugins

[wet cradle]

Ah, so thats why the Xms and Xmx should be the same?

[reef fulcrum]

No, Xmx == Xms is recommended due to how heap expansion works, it's not as critical these days but you might as well

[wet cradle]

Ah ok im starting to understand, I was just worried when seeing my Memory always being at almost max whenever using Xmx == Xms

So just wanted to know that im safe with that

[reef fulcrum]

Well, the heap won't expand past Xmx, and so, outside of native buffers, that memory amount should generally be fairly stable

[wet cradle]

But putting it at 6gb with 8gb allocated is alright?

java -Xms2048M -Xmx2048M -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=4M -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -jar {{SERVER_JARFILE}}

So my flags like this for waterfall with 4gb ram allocated is the way to go?

[reef fulcrum]

ddepends on your needs, but, that generally looks fine

[wraith cliff]

Idk how to setup that

[marble kelp]

same way as waterfall basically

[wicked tusk]

there's good docs

[wraith cliff]

I already have data for waterfall

[wicked tusk]

waterfall itself doesn't save any data. I don't know what you mean

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, you are more than welcome to use whatever software you want, but, waterfall is EOL and won't be supported for much longer

[wraith cliff]

Plugin config.yml

[wraith cliff]

Yes but that happens only to one of my servers

[reef fulcrum]

Which would scream that that one server is misconfigured

[wraith cliff]

No bro

How

Proxy says I don't have Bungeecord enablrd

But I have it

[reef fulcrum]

No

[wraith cliff]

And restarted the whole node

[reef fulcrum]

the backend server says that you don't have bungee mode enabled

[wraith cliff]

Yes

In it's console

[reef fulcrum]

provide a timings report from that server

[wraith cliff]

How

[reef fulcrum]

timings report

[wraith cliff]

K

[wraith cliff]

It says spark has removed timings report

[reef fulcrum]

The command still works

[wraith cliff]

Wait

[reef fulcrum]

Or, wait, you're probably not using paper

provide a spark report then, I guess

[wraith cliff]

How

[reef fulcrum]

I don't remember the command off by heart

or, heck

[dry thunder]

Please send large files/logs to a pastebin

[reef fulcrum]

the spigot.yml from that server

[wraith cliff]

K

[wraith cliff]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/bd9231d6a07a48abb30654ebe7eba8d8

[reef fulcrum]

Well, that generally makes 0 sense

You would need to ask your software vender for support

[wraith cliff]

Why?

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/bd9231d6a07a48abb30654ebe7eba8d8

[reef fulcrum]

Because you have bungeecord enabled

[wraith cliff]

Ye

[reef fulcrum]

yet the error you're seeing literally cannot occur when bungee mode is enabled, unless you have a plugin messing with stuff

[wraith cliff]

Here how it shows

[wraith cliff]

What plugin could it be?

[reef fulcrum]

idk your setup

[wraith cliff]

I have some plugins for bungee

But other ganemodes work

[reef fulcrum]

outside of suggesting the typical "test without plugins", I can't provide support for your setup

[wraith cliff]

Wait

Lemme try

[wraith cliff]

Also I seen that people could connect directly to it

Using the same IP shown in config.yml for the proxy

[reef fulcrum]

1. bungeecord mode is not a security mechanism
2. people directly connecting would generally scream that bungeecord mode is disabled in the config

[wraith cliff]

Yes bro but it is enabled

You saw

[reef fulcrum]

No idea

[wraith cliff]

From bedrock I can't directly connect

But some guy managed

And he's not using a proxy or smt

Only 1 guy managed

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, bedrock doesn't connect to java edition at all

[wraith cliff]

...

Geyser

[reef fulcrum]

Which is a proxy or something you installed

however, at this point, assuming that the config you showed is from the server having issues, I have no idea

you would need to contact your software vender for support

[wraith cliff]

K

Lemme try the plugin thing

[surreal nebula]

Was it officially announced that waterfall is eol

[reef fulcrum]

it's been mentioned several dozen times without an actual announcement post, but, that is coming soon

[worthy swan]

been working at it for a bit now but i am getting a few errors where i cannot swap between the diffrent servers running on my waterfall server even though both show in the /server command

The error:

encountered exception: net.md_5.bungee.util.QuietException: Unexpected packet received during server login process!
19c6017b227472616e736c617465223a

[shadow geyser]

java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Team SLOT_7 already exists in this scoreboard

[17:47:57 ERROR]: [/212.252.136.200:9360|qwiuxmkq] <-> DownstreamBridge <-> [Hub] - encountered exception
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Team SLOT_7 already exists in this scoreboard
at com.google.common.base.Preconditions.checkArgument(Preconditions.java:218) ~[bungeecord.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:c5fd43a:565]
at net.md_5.bungee.api.score.Scoreboard.addTeam(Scoreboard.java:73) ~[bungeecord.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:c5fd43a:565]
at net.md_5.bungee.connection.DownstreamBridge.handle(DownstreamBridge.java:281) ~[bungeecord.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:c5fd43a:565]
at net.md_5.bungee.protocol.packet.Team.handle(Team.java:129) ~[bungeecord.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:c5fd43a:565]
at net.md_5.bungee.netty.HandlerBoss.channelRead(HandlerBoss.java:124) ~[bungeecord.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.3-SNAPSHOT:c5fd43a:565]

[tawny dirge]

Who can help me, I have this error in the waterfall console and it also expels the players with the same message:
[.xXReyPekkaX] disconnected with: The server you were previously on went down, you have been connected to a fallback server

[shadow geyser]

Same issue

I also asked in other servers ppl didn't know or didn't want to help

Can we share some server info like plugins we use to find what causes this?

[viscid silo]

Well, the message is clear, your backend server crashed most likely

[shadow geyser]

nah it doesn't crash

it's just an error that things server crashed but didn't

And kicks u out

For absolutely no dam reason

[reef fulcrum]

All we can tell you is that the connection was lost

and your scoreboard one is a well known bungeecord issue

[wraith cliff]

Help

I am using a paper sercer

Server

And waterfall proxy

It won't let me connect to survival

But to other ganemodes works

[worthy swan]

I am still dealing with the issue on bungee connections to my other servers. The error I get leads me to the posts about ip-forwarding being turned off instead of on. However changing these settings do not fix it

[tawny moon]

help pls

[cinder valve]

How can I make it so if one backend server is turned off it will direct you to the next one on the priority?

[reef fulcrum]

That is how the priorities list works by default

[cinder valve]

no? I close my server and it just sends this ``` priorities:

• survival
• lifesteal
• lobby```

Lemme restart the proxy and try again

[reef fulcrum]

oh, you mean existing connections

you'd need a plugin for that

[cinder valve]

Do you happen to know of any?

[reef fulcrum]

Best I know of was MoveMeNow, but that only took 1 server

[cinder valve]

So that wouldnt work for me?

[reef fulcrum]

well, it redirects you to another server when you run /stop

and iirc had a bit of a race condition

[cinder valve]

Ok ill try it

Thanks

[cinder valve]

I believe this is outdated.

[reef fulcrum]

it's a trivial plugin

using mechanisms which generally hasn't changed in 10+ years bar mojang changing something (which spigot hacked around anyways)

[cinder valve]

Alright

[reef fulcrum]

use bungeeguard

Yes, it works fine

I mean, the more obvious solution is to migrate away from waterfall towards velocity, this software is EOL

like, if they're able to join even when you have plugins which are supposed to prevent such joins, then either you've got it misconfigured or something installed on your network let them in

waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

because it's effectively a dead project, and any effort to work on stuff was generally thwarded by the stale ecosystem and nobody generally desiring to work with me

I can't fix architectual issues in the software, of which most of the big issues I wanted to waste time on are, when I can't touch too much because the ecosystem hasn't moved in 10 years

it makes more sense to put my effort that I can into projects like velocity, and paper, rather than spending months fighting plugin compat issues with waterfall

[vestal nymph]

official eol announcement when

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, I'm not 100% sure, there is still somebody who I'm paid to make builds for and it makes sense just to push it to the normal repo, but, you should look towards migrating

[viscid silo]

Basically, don't bet on it

[worthy swan]

could I get help with a bungee network issue?

[reef fulcrum]

same job, entirely different software

i.e. you'll need to find replacement plugins, etc

ofc not

paper plugins run on paper, bungee plugins run on bungee

velocity needs velocity plugins

velocity is a proxy

Yes

[ornate quest]

hi there,
i'm trying to set up a waterfall server with a forge server (and later with fabric too) alongside some vanilla servers
now, despite setting forge_support: true, when trying to connect to a listener that forwards me directly to the according forge server, i get a message saying "this server has mods that require forge on the client"
the backend server is up, running and healthy on the correct port

[reef fulcrum]

modern forge support is generally not a thing

and mods + proxies is heavily "glhf"

velocity + the ambassador plugin is basically your best bet right now

[ornate quest]

i will try that, thanks for the warning!

i would be already surprised if this setup works at all because this is basically just a huge frankenstein monster

[unkempt briar]

Hello everyone, may I ask. How can a Fabric server of 1.20.4 be linked to WaterFall?

[tawny dirge]

help me
i have in proxy console
[00:43:50 WARN]: [/193.35.18.50:60006] <-> InitialHandler - A decoder exception has been thrown:
net.md_5.bungee.protocol.FastDecoderException: Error decoding packet class Handshake with contents:
+-------------------------------------------------+
| 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f |
+--------+-------------------------------------------------+----------------+
|00000000| 00 00 0e 32 30 37 2e 32 33 31 2e 31 30 38 2e 31 |...207.231.108.1|
|00000010| 30 63 dd 01 00 |0c... |
+--------+-------------------------------------------------+----------------+
Caused by: net.md_5.bungee.protocol.BadPacketException: Packet HANDSHAKE:TO_SERVER/0 (Handshake) larger than expected, extra bytes: 1

[hazy bane]

Delete plugin viaversion

[ripe steeple]

Is there any version of water fall for 1.8 ?

[reef fulcrum]

Waterfall is EOL

but supports 1.8-1.20.4

[reef fulcrum]

use the latest version

[ripe steeple]

So if i download the last version of 1.20 it should work

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[ripe steeple]

kappa

[tawny dirge]

I have a network, viaversion is only installed on the proxy or on all servers

[hazy bane]

Delete it on proxy

[tawny dirge]

Now I have this other warning
[13:57:23 WARN]: [/155.248.209.22:61000] <-> InitialHandler - A decoder exception has been thrown:
net.md_5.bungee.protocol.FastDecoderException: Error decoding packet class LoginRequest with contents:
+---------------------------------------------------------------- +
| 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f |
+--------+---------------------------------------- ---------+----------------+
|00000000| 00 00 00 00 |.... |
+--------+---------------------------------------- ---------+----------------+
Caused by: net.md_5.bungee.protocol.BadPacketException: Packet LOGIN:TO_SERVER/0 (LoginRequest) larger than expected, extra bytes: 2

[reef fulcrum]

Something in your setup is apparently mangling packets

reproduce without plugins, etc

make sure that you're using a supported (i.e. vanilla) client

[tawny dirge]

How do I verify that?

[reef fulcrum]

verify what?

[tawny dirge]

How can I determine if I am using a standard client?

[reef fulcrum]

You use the standard mojang launcher and launch the vanilla client from there?

[tawny dirge]

I'm not entirely sure. There's no evidence suggesting that a player is attempting to connect. However, I did link a domain from Namecheap. Could that be the reason?

[crystal flicker]

yp

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @crystal flicker: https://pastes.dev/vB97Wlnvid

[crystal flicker]

heyy

[crystal flicker]

@crimson cosmos any ideas i can't fix it ..

[crimson cosmos]

why was I pinged

[crystal flicker]

this :((

any ideas?

[crimson cosmos]

Please don't randomly ping staff

[crystal flicker]

well you know someonethat can help?

[crimson cosmos]

Cat is the only one that really cares to maintain waterfall, it is rather sunset.

[crystal flicker]

uhdam

[crimson cosmos]

cat isn't on tho so, ehhh

actually @crystal flicker update pls?

build 556 is rather old

december 2023 old

[crystal flicker]

sec

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @crystal flicker: https://pastes.dev/MFrw2ZEnn9

[crimson cosmos]

?

[crystal flicker]

its using Xcord

but its a fork of waterfall

nah?

[crimson cosmos]

oh

lmao

we don't support whatever fork that is

gl have fun 👍

[crystal flicker]

[crimson cosmos]

I mean, its a paid thing no? xD

I presume they'd have a support o.O

[crystal flicker]

yeay ea

i just asked will see

[crimson cosmos]

gl

[crystal flicker]

acctualy

that server is running waterfall

not xcord

i updated waterfall t ho

[crystal flicker]

now that error is gone , but
[19:46:29 WARN]: fiskylicious was kicked due to keepalive timeout!
[19:46:29 INFO]: fiskylicious lost connection: Timed out

[crimson cosmos]

/shrug

[crystal flicker]

?

mh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

ohh dam

xd...

[crimson cosmos]

I mean, timeouts can have a variety of reason

[crystal flicker]

ok

[crimson cosmos]

might be plugin related, might be waterfall, might be the server. eh

[crystal flicker]

mhmhm

[dry thunder]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/895#issuecomment-372175216

[reef fulcrum]

outside of that, waterfall is EOL

[idle glen]

Where do I get waterfall for 1.4.7? the oldest I can find is 1.11 😦

[reef fulcrum]

I don't think waterfall went that far back, but, idk

[idle glen]

oh 😦

[reef fulcrum]

if it does you'd have to build it yourself, all that is on the API is all we have to offer

[idle glen]

Thank you anyway.

[slim iris]

i need help

[16 11 23 ERROR]: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassCastException: class java.lang.String cannot be cast to class java.lang.Boolean (java.lang.String and java.lang.Boolean are in module java.base of loader 'bootstrap')
[16 11 23 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.conf.YamlConfig.getServers(YamlConfig.java:231)
[16 11 23 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.conf.Configuration.load(Configuration.java:118)
[16 11 23 ERROR]: at io.github.waterfallmc.waterfall.conf.WaterfallConfiguration.load(WaterfallConfiguration.java:67)
[16 11 23 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCord.start(BungeeCord.java:288)
[16 11 23 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.BungeeCordLauncher.main(BungeeCordLauncher.java:67)
[16 11 23 ERROR]: at net.md_5.bungee.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:15)

@strong blade

what fuck is that

he show me

error

in bungee

@crimson cosmos

@pulsar pewter

[bitter birch]

(6600543b2d5bd6481a0648e2) // @slim iris (@robloksplay / 964595015638724670) has been warned by @crimson cosmos (202850073812402177)
Reason: Please do not randomly ping staff members

[crimson cosmos]

the double warn

Beyond that, your config is messed up

[slim iris]

AND HOW TO FIX?

[reef fulcrum]

Look at your config

something that is supposed to be set to true/false is not set properly, probably the restricted setting

[slim iris]

i think

i delete 1 collon of server like

and i might

forget to like fix it

smt

yea.

i'm dumb

[warm raven]

what does a proxy actually do

u see this one
why doesnt alice directly ask bob for the time
instead of having the proxy act as a middleman

[twin solstice]

because bob cannot send you to another server

hence the middleman exists so you can connect to different servers all while staying on the same IP / network

[warm raven]

oh is bob the server?

[twin solstice]

yes

[midnight bobcat]

You usually have multiple servers (bobs) and you talk to the proxy which can control what server you are talking to while always connecting to the same person.

[shy sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-sobbing-pain-goodbye-gif-8487568

[viscid silo]

🫡

[frank coral]

How the waters have fallen

[lusty oasis]

Lots of rewriting I guess 😫

[rancid igloo]

🫡

[torpid fable]

mfw our migration to velocity project started over a year ago: 😌

[past carbon]

o7 waterfall

[near aurora]

I do understand the decision to EOL Waterfall, and it is of course the paper team’s decision to make.

I would like to voice that from a user perspective, the abruptness, and the uncertainty with this EOL is more painful than it might need to be. For the record, I must add that I am a part of a minority here as someone who is running an old server that has a good degree of legacy to it, but we are also users of the software.

Now before you fire away when I say "abrupt" even though waterfall has been dormant; With abruptness I mean that the EOL is published and in immediate effect. We have all seen that Waterfall is just receiving maintenance updates and no/few new features. How ever, the sudden end is experienced as abrupt.

The uncertainty comes with the blog post: “You also shouldn't count on updates to new Minecraft versions, although we aren't ruling that out at this time.”

Are we getting the same as before with version support and no new features, or is waterfall dead? Will there be updates, or not?
At this moment this feels very uncertain. Do we have to turn around and do a massive proxy upgrade before 1.20.5/1.21, or will there be added support, and we will have a few more months?

Is this an EOL or a heads up for an EOL?
If it is an EOL and that Waterfall is dead I would have liked that there was at least a period beforehand where we knew that the date for a full EOL was coming, instead of having it show up out of nowhere during easter. I do of course hope that there will be
support for 1.20.5/1.21 to give us a bit more runway for the upgrade.

I hope my opinions here can be food for thought for the paper team for similar situations in the future, or make room for some clarifications in the original post.

I would like to add that I am very thankful for all the work that the Paper team + contributors have added to the software. It is always sad to say goodbye, but it is understandable 🫡

[twin solstice]

cat said he might do a few more upstreams

you might also be fine to just switch to bungeecord instead depending on your needs

and we have actually kept in mind situations like your response while discussing the EOL announcement

it basically comes down to that there is only a single waterfall maintainer in the team who's only really doing upstream patches here and there for a project they work on, meaning there may be a few more upstream patches even after the EOL announcement but 0 guarantee

and from paper's end we lack statistics on waterfall users since bstats was never implemented for it but considering velocity's adoption rate over the years (bigger than bungeecord now) and how inactive the discord channels are, it seems like a pretty reasonable thing to just mark it as EOL immediately

considering you've seen waterfall has only been receiving maintenance updates and no updates for the past few months, you could probably have expected that it would stop sooner or later aswell

[viscid silo]

It's basically just officially announcing what has been the status quo for quite some time now

[twin solstice]

yeah and we've mentioned that it's EOL here and there in the discord too

which is fair to miss if you're not active in the discord hence the announcement now

[serene falcon]

yeah the last semi-real bug fix was back in 6 months ago

[sinful skiff]

[tough vale]

Let's maybe try to keep the "rip waterfall" and similar non-constructive messages to either #general or #gifs-and-memes, and leave this channel for folks who need help migrating away or have questions regarding the EOL.

[errant dew]

[near aurora]

Thank you all for your replies! If Cat does this, then that would be fantastic!
The issue here is as you said Michael, “might”. It is the uncertainty that is the core issue for me.

I am not arguing against that Waterfall has been dormant for a long time.
How ever, only receiving updates for new versions of Minecraft is not the same as EOL. This is a huge deal for the software and us who still use it.
I am not arguing against the EOL in any way. It is understandable. My points are regarding the way I experience this EOL as a user who have used Waterfall for more years than I can remember.

It is on my cape that I have not picked up the discussion of the EOL of waterfall if it was discussed in the Discord. I am usually here only when there are issues (and that is gladly a very rare occurrence).

Sad to hear that you do not have stats regarding the userbase of Waterfall. That would have been interesting to know. I do believe that there are a lot more like me that’s lurking around without speaking out in the Discord, but it would also be interesting to be proven wrong.

Thanks for the tip of downgrading to BungeeCord. We would love to keep using PaperMCs software, so we do need to look into how much work is required to migrate to Velocity, and how painful it will be. Some certainty of Waterfalls status regarding the next Minecraft updates would therefore be great to know, and give us a better base on how to handle this situation.

[twin solstice]

keep in mind that it has been in that uncertainty phase for months now

there is only one person, voluntarily, working on it

but yes for most waterfall users i'd probably say that bungeecord would be a drop-in replacement

[viscid silo]

I tried to express that in the post, basically nothing is changing, if anything you have more certainty now, because it's clear that waterfall will die out

[serene falcon]

Yeah if cat get hit by a bus tomorrow, Waterfall is for sure not getting an update.

[near aurora]

I was unaware of this regarding the lack of people maintaining the project, and I am of course not here to demand or expect anything from someone working voluntarily. I am very thankful for all the work that has been contributed to the software for many years.

I see your point MiniDigger. From my perspective, this is still a huge deal and a little “shock” even though it (now obviously when its explained) has been on the steps for some time. This is also why I am reacting regarding the uncertainty that I have expressed above. For me, this feels even more uncertain, instead of the intention of sealing the fate of Waterfall.

As stated above I do believe and is also aware that I am part of a minority of papers userbase. How ever I do doubt that I am alone in feeling this way. I do believe there are a lot of servers that will be affected. This is a big deal for us.

I must add that I do believe we are a dormant group of people. So the real wave will probably first appear when the version update really stops and the EOL is really in effect.

[twin solstice]

@reef fulcrum can perhaps reveal what his personal plans are

[reef fulcrum]

I've generally pushed off the deprecation of waterfall a few times, in part because I know it was still used, and right now, my general reluctance and the hanging state is somewhat of a "I was still doing a bit of work here and there for somebody and sometimes I got a few bucks for updating waterfall", and now that server is in a weird state where idk if they could afford to migrate away from waterfall, and so I semi planned to keep it updated for them, and at that point, I might as well just push what I do to the repo

2019 was a weird year, I was working on getting out of a bad mental health slump, I got entity metadata rewriting out, and then spent weeks tweaking it because random plugins would just break it, and ngl, I was kinda bummed by that, because it generally just confirmed my stale theory, combined with a few attempts to reach out over the years to plugin devs, kinda put me off any big effort, and then towards late 2019, I got a flu or something and I'm still in a weird recovery state; during the pandemic my vision had gotten worse, just assumed, I need new glasses, but then I went through a period and thought I had an eye infection, only to end up getting a diagnosis for keratoconus last year, next month I have an appointment to see if I need to have a procedure done to my right eye to halt progression, and for my left eye, I'm on the waiting list for a corneal transplant

[halcyon egret]

Wish you the best of luck. Thanks for the work

[steep dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-papu-gif-18312146088668761893

[near aurora]

Thank you for your honesty and insight Cat. I am sad to hear regarding your health situation.
I can somewhat relate to small parts of your situation, and it sounds awful for you. I hope things better for you and that you can get the treatment you need. Health first, always.

On behalf of my team, I want to thank you for the effort you have put an keep putting into Waterfall as well as other projects. You have made a tremendous impact on the Minecraft scene.
One example is saving the National Day of Norway for the kids during the pandemic. The event was powered by paper and waterfalls optimizations, and would not have been possible without your contributions. Your work has really mattered for a lot of people! (https://www.dagsavisen.no/moss/nyheter/2021/05/18/over-37-000-personer-deltok-i-17-mai-feiring-i-minecraft/ needs auto translate)
Thank you so much! Hoping things will go your way 🙏

[hasty harbor]

Thank god this died

[spark path]

this project made bungeecord better

welp i moved to velocity 1 year ago

so i am fine

[queen obsidian]

Too real 😭

[livid sun]

RIP Waterfall. 🫡

[snow moss]

Hello i saw that Waterfall has reached end of life today and it's recommended to switch to Velocity. But is that so easy like that? Can i just switch from waterfall.jar to velocity.jar? Does the plugins still work with Velocity and stuff like that?

[twin solstice]

no and no

you'll have to create a new proxy from scratch and find replacement plugins for those that aren't available on velocity

[snow moss]

damn that will be a hard work for me 😄

[proud olive]

Firstly, congratulations to the developers who have worked on Waterfall for so many years.

I understand that there aren't many people working on the Waterfall project currently but that's not why people don't use it. I'm sure there are hundreds of other servers that use Waterfall and were surprised by this announcement on the sidelines of the 1.21 release.

I've been using Waterfall for over 4 years and yes, it's an excellent fork of BungeeCord and, in my opinion, more optimized. I don't have any problems with it but I still continue updating with each available patch, no matter how small it may be. I make a point of keeping it updated.

Migrating to Velocity is not that easy. Many Bungeecord plugins do not work with Velocity. In a Network with BungeeCord, many plugins work by sending information to other backend servers. Once you switch to Velocity, in addition to having to change one or many plugins in the Proxy, you will have to change plugins in the Backends as well.

So, I only see one alternative: go back to BungeeCord.

And the question remains: will 1.21 be supported or not?

But congratulations to the developers, it was an excellent fork and still serves many servers today.

[twin solstice]

And the question remains: will 1.21 be supported or not?
no guarantee

cat may do a few more upstream updates but realistically don't expect any updates

[hushed verge]

Thank you to the devs for maintaining Waterfall

[main dock]

Which plugins you use on Waterfall don't work on Velocity?

If you're using 10 year old outdated plugins then you should look into alternatives...

[twin solstice]

^ the plugin ecosystem on velocity has matured enough over the years that migrating shouldn't be a huge pain

except if you're using unmaintained century old plugins

[main dock]

I love how people blame Velocity for not having plugin support but that's just a lie.
If you're still on unmaintained mess look into actually fixing that and don't blame it on velocity

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, it's an ecosystem thing, and probably like 90-odd% of servers don't have any devs to write alternatives

hopefully I can keep upstreaming for a short while longer to allow people to try to address any caps they identify

[twin solstice]

would suggest reading #waterfall-help message aswell

[proud olive]

Advancedban, BungeeSystem

[twin solstice]

both plugins have been unmaintained for 4 years

[main dock]

Oct 27, 2020
OUTDATED

Move on.

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, this goes back to "stale theory"

[main dock]

What's that?

[reef fulcrum]

The ecosystem is basically dead, kept alive by the fact that md refuses to break anything, ever

The only plugins that are really maintained in the ecosystem are those which break due to protocol changes

[vestal nymph]

the only "maintained" plugin that will be a pain for us to migrate from is BungeeTabListPlus
through there are a few velocity alternatives that look promising

[quick acorn]

I think it would be good just at least this version to give us time to migrate to Velocity

But thank you so much for taking the time to contribute to Waterfall!

[twin solstice]

most people can downgrade to bungeecord

[quick acorn]

Less stable

[twin solstice]

wouldn't be surpried to see a waterfall 1.20.5 either and after that you'd have more than enough time to migrate

[reef fulcrum]

assuming that I'm not blind by then, there should be a .5 release

[quick acorn]

I wasn't even aware that a .5 was going to come out 😅

[inner sky]

What should I do now? I have plugins that are not Velocity compatible and there are no versions for them, and my own plugins don't work in Velocity either, and I don't know how to program in Velocity plugins.

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, look towards migrating to bungee

look for alternative plugins compatible with velocity

where none exist, see if you can find somebody who can make one

[hasty harbor]

wippity woppity ur code is my property

if u dont know how to do velocity pls

also

Github Copilot is good for some basic stuff

[viscid silo]

If you figured out how to write bungee plugins you are gonna figure out how to write velocity plugins too

[inner sky]

And what should I do with all the other plugins that I haven't programmed? I wouldn't like to replace them because they work well.

[viscid silo]

Then ask the devs

But generally velocity has plugins for everything

[marble kelp]

[citiation needed]

runs

the major one still missing is probably a tab plugin with the same features as BungeeTabListPlus

[inner sky]

I found a velocity plugin that loads bungee plugins

[viscid silo]

I found the person that wrote it ^^

[spiral hearth]

is that stable? is it advisable to use?

[reef fulcrum]

It’s not a complete solution, and plug-in that depends upon bungee implementation details may blow up, etc

[inner sky]

Yes, it actually works quite well, but it relies on creating a bungee instance. I'm currently only using it for 2 plugins as a transition until they are perhaps available in velocity. Otherwise, I have now read through the developer docs for velocity plugins and have already rewritten the first plugins and have to say that it works really well.

[spiral hearth]

that's good to hear. Ever since I migrated, I haven't been able to get my network back to feature parity with waterfall. Join/leave/switch messages are completely broken (mostly chatcontrol's fault, they have worse velocity support), and reconnection to the same server after logout (with plugins) gets reset back to lobby every time the proxy restarts.

Also, will the modded server support of waterfall be making its way into velocity ever?

[reef fulcrum]

what modded server support of waterfall?

Like, we have some tweaks to fix some bungee issues, and afaik they're already inside of velocity

most of the breakages are just modern platformisms

(and velocity has cross-stitch, for fixing a propblem or two on velocity which won't ever exist in bungeecord et al)

[vestal nymph]

TAB works well enough with additional plugin code via their api for me

[spark path]

tab exist

[past brook]

Is it possible to set port of Velocity by argument in command line? We need this because pterodactyl cannot change port in config before velocity starts, so it wont work and a lot of people will ask why it dont work.

[ashen burrow]

yes

[past brook]

Ty

[bright atlas]

hi

i need help with my velocity server because i cant connect to my other server

[marble kelp]

this is waterfall help

use #velocity-help

[bitter birch]

(660aa7c02d5bd6481a064909) // @cinder yew (@iviicha3lw33zy4421 / 962861911337230378) has been banned by @reef fulcrum (126975485493248000)
Reason: Quick-banned for sending a message in #waterfall-help

[dusk wyvern]

Hey, does anyone know what it is and how it could be fixed? https://pastebin.com/75BJa3i5

[reef fulcrum]

basically, the way spigot handles the deserilisation of components is generally broken

something between the component being sent and bungees deserisliaser parsing it is flawed

ideally somebody would actually decode that stuff properly instead of what md tries to do, but, yea

(idk how you'd fix that on waterfalls side without replacing the deserialiser properly)

[lunar dragon]

hi, I'm looking for a plugin that when my server crashes redirects me to the limbo server and when it comes back online it redirects the players back to the primary server, do you have any advice? if so, ping me

[urban plover]

dont use waterfall now use velocity

it is better to much

[grim ledge]

@reef fulcrum Can you me send the latest SRC of Waterfall (GitHub)

[reef fulcrum]

no

just literally go to github and clone it?

[grim ledge]

Was Deleted? LUL

[reef fulcrum]

it's literally still there

[grim ledge]

This latest is from Oct 29, 2018?

[reef fulcrum]

no?

[grim ledge]

Yes

[reef fulcrum]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall

[grim ledge]

Can you send me the latest build as a link so I can download it directly when I click on the link thanks

[reef fulcrum]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[grim ledge]

Yes, of course, but the one from GitHub

[reef fulcrum]

if you want the source then you need to clone it from git

[vocal gust]

hello its on still erro

and a log

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @vocal gust: https://pastes.dev/BWj1cHOzrs

[vocal gust]

No support

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, waterfall is EOL

I also generally don't respond to people pinging me at 6am

The error screams that you're not connecting to waterfall

[vocal gust]

Yup I was trying to join backend

Is any way to fix that?

[vocal gust]

Sorry I don't know your timezone

[vocal gust]

/:

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, the fix is simple, join the proxy, not the backend

[grim cloud]

Are these anything to worry about?
[org.cloudburstmc.netty.handler.codec.raknet.server.RakServerOfflineHandler]: [/xxx.xx.xxx.xx:54311] Sent too many packets per second
Seem to come from somewhat shady IPs. None are players.

[reef fulcrum]

There is a known active DoS exploit in geyser

afaik if you're seeing that message it's being mitigated, but, you'd need to go ask them any further questions

[grim cloud]

Ah okay, yea we had an issue earlier where all Bedrock players lost connection, then authentication with Mojang failed and console was spammed with out of memory stuff. Switched the use_netty_dns_resolver to false and now just getting these occasionally

[serene falcon]

If it happens consistently, I’d say so.

[barren tulip]

Where can i find Waterfall Forge support for 1.16.5

[serene falcon]

The project has reaching EOL, it’s important that you use Velocity from now on. https://forums.papermc.io/threads/1088/

[barren tulip]

My host is mc-host24 and there is Velocity not, here is only Fabric, Forge, Paper, Purpur and Waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

We can't comment on random hosts

Proxy + forge support is shaky at best

your best option is going to be velocity + the ambassador plugin, but, idk what versions they actually support

[barren tulip]

ok thx for the help

[neat shadow]

Hello can i add a Forge Server into Waterfall config.yml to connect to it through the proxy?

[tulip vortex]

No, use Velocity

[proud olive]

[22:50:43 WARN] [org.cloudburstmc.netty.handler.codec.raknet.server.RakServerRateLimiter]: [{}] Blocked because packet limit was reached
[23:06]

Does anyone know what causes this? This message kicks the players in my network.

[viscid silo]

It's a rate limit added by geyser

Maybe they have a config option

Should ask them

[proud olive]

The problem is simply that they ignore my messages on the Support Channel.

[reef fulcrum]

We can't really provide support for random software on the internet

all we can tell you is what it says, you hit a packet limit; probs a reflective DDoS attempt, but

[tidal musk]

"Could not connet to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured adress/port/firewall"

can somebody help with that

i own waterfall server but it wont connect

[reef fulcrum]

This software is EOL

outside of that, see logs, etc

[marble kelp]

as I already said: It's an issue with how your network is set up

[tidal musk]

but my other servers is working perfectly

this is why i dont understand

[marble kelp]

well something is different, figure out what

[reef fulcrum]

pissing in the wind, are the working servers on a different IP, and the non-working server on the same IP as the proxy?

[tidal musk]

all the servers are on the same ip

[reef fulcrum]

well, with the info I've got here, no idea

[tidal musk]

i can send configs here

[marble kelp]

(btw. I strongly suggest running the servers on localhost if they are on the same server as the proxy, there is zero reason to expose them to the internet)

[tidal musk]

so i have to change the ips to localhost ?

[marble kelp]

that was a suggestion

[tidal musk]

i will try thanks.

Waterfall Config.yml | https://pastebin.com/UbpNrTHe
Auth Server.properties | https://pastebin.com/zjFBKbAa
Lobby Server.properties | https://pastebin.com/Pt6wEe03

still geting the same error with this

[marble kelp]

looks correct. also I just noticed you allow piracy so glhf ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal musk]

do i have to change offline mode to true ?

i wathing youtube tutorial where it says it have to be false to work

[marble kelp]

you are clearly trying to run a network which allows non-boughta counts to join

[tidal musk]

auth is for mobile players

[marble kelp]

well whatever you have to tell yourself to justify breaking the TOS

[tidal musk]

someone can help me?

[reef fulcrum]

See logs.

[tidal musk]

wait

do you can help me fix this?

[reef fulcrum]

Are you using a hosting provider for support?

[tidal musk]

What do you mean?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, for your server

How are you hosting the server?

[tidal musk]

I'll ask my friend for a moment because he actually has a problem and I'm helping him, but I don't know how to fix this error because it's my first time using Waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

I don't provide MITM support

[tidal musk]

do you mean hosting? where hosting and etc

?

if you mean where, go to titanaxe

[reef fulcrum]

Speak to your hosting provider for support

[tidal musk]

eh

and how can it be otherwise?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, it's a network configuration issue

the IP address you put in the config is nonroutable

[tidal musk]

aaaa

[reef fulcrum]

I don't provide networking support, and that is generally on your hosting provider to figure out a solution for

[proud olive]

Yes I apologize. I already imagined it was related to Geyser. I was out of ideas and tried to find help from someone who understood the subject.

They finally responded to my third attempt to seek support. Apparently Geyser has some Java Flags packet limits, I increased the limit now and I still haven't had any disconnections.

Waterfall is working perfectly.

[prime folio]

Waterfall - How much memory does it need? Is 1 GB enough?

[heavy warren]

512MB is actually enough, for many players 1GB is more than enough

But I would recommend using Velocity anyway.

Faster, safer, more stable and uses the same or less ram

[warped niche]

mhh back to bungeecord -.-

[upbeat wave]

I know waterfall has been depreciated, but do we know whether it will support 1.20.5? assuming it is not a protocol update 😅
The struggle of needing more time to upgrade plugins to velocity..

[reef fulcrum]

They literally redid itemstack storage, there will be a protocol update

As for waterfall, idk; there is a pr for the current thing which is blocked by my lack of ability to easily test some of this stuff which needs to be merged as it’s an upstream update

[upbeat wave]

what do you need in order to test properly?

[reef fulcrum]

well, it adds epoll

[upbeat wave]

I thought this was first in 1.21? O.o

[reef fulcrum]

not epoll, the new one

No, that's a 1.20.5 change

[upbeat wave]

christ

plugins will die lol

[reef fulcrum]

Well, I mean, that's what API is for

They've moved into a new versioning system which gives them the means to do more tech churn

chances are they have a whole btch of stuff lined up, combined with spigots refusal to move the API forward, we're likely in for a bit of a ride especially with how much the cans been dinged up (from kicking it)

[upbeat wave]

Great... i feel like it is like hell breaks lose with every update

[reef fulcrum]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/pull/850
need to know if the thing works in general, and need to know of io_uring works

Well, that's what the API is for

if you want less breakages, we need to work on future proof API

software moves forward all the time, especially when it's somebody elses complex codebase

outside of that, I'm about to disappear as my eye is hurting; was at the hospital this morning as they wanted to do their routine prodding and poking

[upbeat wave]

Ouch :/ hope the pain quickly goes away

[fast merlin]

hi guys.

I get this error when trying to connect to my server:
[21:44:12 INFO]: [MeMarv] disconnected with: Could not connect to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall?
[21:44:12 INFO]: [/91.141.57.21:21073|MeMarv] -> UpstreamBridge has disconnected

(the fallback servers i used are splited servers from the proxy)

also version 1.20.4

[somber patrol]

Don’t ping staff for answers.

Definitely don’t ping staff and then delete the pings.

[gaunt breach]

Is there a way to forward fabric modded traffic on 1.20.1 im using some legacy waterfall plugins i need to keep so i can't move to velocity

the repos / projects i found dont seem to work

[solid walrus]

I am getting this when trying to join my waterfall server on java, but I can join in while using geyser

[near aurora]

Seems like Mojangs autentication service was down. It happens occasionally. Nothing you can do about it (given that you have been able to login with Java beforehand).
Usually resolves itself within minutes 😊

[solid walrus]

I can join other Java servers no problem, like Hypixel and 2b2t, just not my server

[reef fulcrum]

see logs, etc

[bitter lark]

ik this is probably no the right channel and that waterfall is about to be retired... but does anyone has ideas on what could cause...

io.netty.handler.codec.EncoderException: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Cannot get ID for packet class net.md_5.bungee.protocol.packet.PlayerListItemRemove in phase CONFIGURATION with direction TO_CLIENT
    at io.netty.handler.codec.MessageToByteEncoder.write(MessageToByteEncoder.java:125)
    at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannelHandlerContext.invokeWrite0(AbstractChannelHandlerContext.java:893)
    at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannelHandlerContext.invokeWriteAndFlush(AbstractChannelHandlerContext.java:956)
    at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannelHandlerContext$WriteTask.run(AbstractChannelHandlerContext.java:1263)
    at io.netty.util.concurrent.AbstractEventExecutor.runTask(AbstractEventExecutor.java:173)
    at io.netty.util.concurrent.AbstractEventExecutor.safeExecute(AbstractEventExecutor.java:166)
    at io.netty.util.concurrent.SingleThreadEventExecutor.runAllTasks(SingleThreadEventExecutor.java:470)
    at io.netty.channel.epoll.EpollEventLoop.run(EpollEventLoop.java:405)
    at io.netty.util.concurrent.SingleThreadEventExecutor$4.run(SingleThreadEventExecutor.java:997)
    at io.netty.util.internal.ThreadExecutorMap$2.run(ThreadExecutorMap.java:74)
    at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:1583)
Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Cannot get ID for packet class net.md_5.bungee.protocol.packet.PlayerListItemRemove in phase CONFIGURATION with direction TO_CLIENT

any hints would be much appreciated 🙂

[reef fulcrum]

Something tried to send a packet to the client in the wrong network phase, generally a plug-in

[bitter lark]

does it have to be on bungee or is it possible it's from spigot?

[reef fulcrum]

On the proxy, generally, otherwise there would be a pretty hefty state desync somewhere

[slim iris]

anyone here/

@reef fulcrum

[tough vale]

Don't ping people.

[slim iris]

oh ok

[slim iris]

can u help me?

[tough vale]

Don't reply to ping, especially to a message whos content is "don't ping people"

[viscid silo]

You haven't even asked a fucking question, lmao

[lost river]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[fast merlin]

Kicked whilst connecting to test: If you wish to use IP forwarding, please enable it in your BungeeCord config as well! How do i fix this? (for java it works fine for bedrock comes this error message (i use geyser))

[reef fulcrum]

We don't support bedrock

that error would generally mean that you don't have ip forwarding enabled in the proxies config.yml, if that's breaking with geyser, probably something messing with the hostname or something

[fast merlin]

ok

[reef fulcrum]

Do note that as it stands right now, I cannot do an upstream merge due to the pending (untested) PR

[near aurora]

Do you need help testing? Anything we can do to help you out? :)

[reef fulcrum]

My understanding is that epoll and io_uring both need testing over standard tcp and unix sockets

[serene tide]

Do you have a question?

[fair spoke]

One of our servers (part of a waterfall proxy) has been grieved, even though we have protection, so we are looking through our logs to hopefully find the culprit. We noticed one really weird thing: one of our staff members, connected at a really weird time (while he was at work), and gave someone (who has never joined our network) OP. We also noticed that his IP was 127.0.0.1 (localhost) for some reason, instead of his normal IP. What does his IP being localhost mean?

We luckily have back-ups and everything, but we are scared this will happen again if we cannot find out what is happening here. We know for sure the staff member didn't do it, and it wasn't him who connected to our server, but that doesn't explain his IP being 127.0.0.1

[winged pilot]

are you using a firewall or bungeeguard?

it sounds like you got bungee'd

[fair spoke]

Nope, we don't use either

[winged pilot]

thats why, somebody logged in under your staffs username to the backend directly

install bungeeguard on your backends (and on waterfall)

bungeecord and waterfall are unsecure

[marble kelp]

(or make your servers only run on localhost/inside a vpn)

[winged pilot]

that works too

[fair spoke]

Thanks, it looks like we indeed suffered from the attack BungeeGuard defends against, we are going to install it and monitor the situation

[near aurora]

Have been running #574 of waterfall for a few hours now and it seems to work just as intended 👍 Thanks for the update Cat! 👏

[dusty scaffold]

One random question: This can't happen on Velocity, right?

[winged pilot]

no it can't

velocity is secure

[tough vale]

Well, assuming you're using the modern forwarding anyways. Velocity does support the same forwarding method that bungee uses, but you'd need to explicitly switch to that

[timid solstice]

I only have a few waterfall plugins but almost none are supported. Anyone know the odds of 1.20.5 being supported by waterfall?

[reef fulcrum]

I already updated it

But, I mean, I might be calling it dead before the end of the year given that the person I was maintaining it for has moved on

[timid solstice]

You are a legend, thanks for that. Im hoping by 1.21 the couple waterfall plugins i use will be ported to velocity due to the eol. Thanks again for supporting this community! Much love

[tulip vortex]

Out of curiosity, which plugins do you have that do not support velocity yet?

[timid solstice]

Bungeetablistplus, room4u, multichat and antipopup

Bungeetablistplus and multichat are essentials for me.

[tulip vortex]

Bungeetablistplus -> TAB or Velocitab
multichat -> Carbon or message
Antipopup -> SignedVelocity + FreedomChat

room4u -> justonemore?

[timid solstice]

You deserve a long prosperous life. thank you!

[agile lotus]

Seriously waterfall die ?

And for our plugins which are not compatible, what do we do?

No more versions of waterfall will be released?

[marble kelp]

either use BungeeCord, use plugins compatible with Velocity (a lot are) or try to use some experimental translation layer like Snap which randomly breaks at times 👀

[agile lotus]

[14:18:39] [main/ERROR] [com.velocitypowered.proxy.plugin.VelocityPluginManager]: Unable to load plugin plugins/LuckPerms-Bungee-5.4.79.jar
com.velocitypowered.api.plugin.InvalidPluginException: The plugin file LuckPerms-Bungee-5.4.79.jar appears to be a Bukkit or BungeeCord plugin. Velocity does not support Bukkit or BungeeCord plugins.
at com.velocitypowered.proxy.plugin.loader.java.JavaPluginLoader.getSerializedPluginInfo(JavaPluginLoader.java:164) ~[waterfalljava17.jar:3.3.0-SNAPSHOT (git-7e45c17b-b383)]
at com.velocitypowered.proxy.plugin.loader.java.JavaPluginLoader.loadCandidate(JavaPluginLoader.java:64) ~[waterfalljava17.jar:3.3.0-SNAPSHOT (git-7e45c17b-b383)]
at com.velocitypowered.proxy.plugin.VelocityPluginManager.loadPlugins(VelocityPluginManager.java:96) ~[waterfalljava17.jar:3.3.0-SNAPSHOT (git-7e45c17b-b383)]
at com.velocitypowered.proxy.VelocityServer.loadPlugins(VelocityServer.java:364) ~[waterfalljava17.jar:3.3.0-SNAPSHOT (git-7e45c17b-b383)]
at com.velocitypowered.proxy.VelocityServer.start(VelocityServer.java:241) ~[waterfalljava17.jar:3.3.0-SNAPSHOT (git-7e45c17b-b383)]
at com.velocitypowered.proxy.Velocity.main(Velocity.java:71) ~[waterfalljava17.jar:3.3.0-SNAPSHOT (git-7e45c17b-b383)]

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Even LuckPermBungee is not compatible?
It is not possible

[marble kelp]

why are you trying to use the Bungee version of LuckPerms on Velocity?

They have a Velocity version...

also this isn't #velocity-help

[agile lotus]

20 of my plugins don't launch...

Not possible for me to go to Velocity

[marble kelp]

ok, so start converting them to Velocity or replacing them with plugins that do support it? That process seems really straight forward if your goal is to run Velocity...

I fail to see the issue lol

[agile lotus]

I'm not a developer and I don't plan to change all of my bungeecord plugins...

[marble kelp]

so use BungeeCord?

[agile lotus]

BungeeCord is still much less effective and older, right?

[marble kelp]

and? seeing as you don't seem to run a professional setup where you have teh resource to change platforms it shouldn't really matter what you run anyways

[agile lotus]

Ok lol

[reef fulcrum]

Okay, soooo

I have some really fun news, which I posted in #spicy-general but, I figure I should mirror here, considering

Next month, on the 15th, I'm going for preop; and then on the 6th of june, I'm going for a corneal transplant

Whiiiich, considering that most of mojangs "summer" updates have dropped in June, means that I'm likely not going to be around for the release of 1.21

[pine ferry]

After updating to 1.20.5 waterfall https://pastebin.com/raw/zLVHwtF8 i understand that velocity is a way to go now, just wanted to stay with waterfall for a few more weeks before moving.

[glass palm]

#rip

[near aurora]

Good luck Cat! 🙏

[finite wing]

Hey, did something changed regarding secure profile in the latest waterfall versions (since 1.20.5 support)? Some players can't connect because of "invalid profile public key" and when I downgrade to the latest 1.20.4 waterfall version they can connect again.

These players are premium and are using the official launcher apparently. Pretty weird is that they are kicked from the Paper server but updating Waterfall is what's causing the issue

[16:18:37] [Netty Worker IO Thread #4/INFO]: [TimWolf] disconnected with: multiplayer.disconnect.invalid_public_key_signature.new
[16:18:37] [Netty Worker IO Thread #4/INFO]: [/XXXXX|TimWolf] -> UpstreamBridge has disconnected
[16:18:37] [Netty Worker IO Thread #4/INFO]: [/XXXXX|TimWolf] <-> DownstreamBridge <-> [survival1] has disconnected

[grim cloud]

Does it work at all or what?

[grim cloud]

Are those that can't join on 1.20.5 or a lower version or something?

[half aspen]

just wait md_5 to fix it

then waterfall update upstream

[finite wing]

those with 1.20.5 cannot join at all yet but it's because our paper servers are not ready for it. It's the players who are supposed to be able to connect (so 1.20 to 1.20.4 version)

I would say it happens to like 10% of players, I downgraded waterfall again in the meantime

on waterfall enforce_secure_profile is false, ip_forward is true. On every paper servers bungeecord is true and enforce-secure-profile is false

[upbeat wave]

Maybe use viaversion and viabackwards on backend (paper servers)?

[finite wing]

I identified the issue and it's because of a plugin, it's not directly a waterfall issue. Something just broke in this plugin with waterfall update

[upbeat wave]

I see, because until now i don't have any issues besides some packet translation errors

[ruby plover]

so I saw where waterfall is no longer going to be supported or developed? So I am looking at changing to Velocity where do I get support for this since I am still running 1.20.2 and need to know what SNAPSHOT and build to download in this case.

Does it matter or do I go with latest update version?

[reef fulcrum]

Go with the latest build

Soon we’ll get stuck back into a proper release cycle

[ruby plover]

ok thanks

[ruby plover]

so when I switch over from waterfall to velocity do I need to delete the old config file? I did the update and I changed geyser and floodgate too and set configs as were before but for some reason now I just get a can not connect to the server message

ok and now my hosting is telling me this is a know issue players and I have to disable my firewall or change the settings for it to work. I do not feel this is safer or more realiable

[reef fulcrum]

Velocity works no different to waterfall in terms of connecting to backend servers, other than offering a more secure player info forwarding mechanism. If you grab the IPs from your old config, they should work in velocity unless your host has some weird setup

[ruby plover]

Ok I have everything setup and went through the instructions on Getting Started and I am on a loop of this message. The forwarding.secert file is on the server and I used the password/key in it. https://pastebin.com/B50H1HyA

[ruby plover]

Found the issue with better hosting support 🙂 But one question do I have to use these forced-host configs? I want players to join for the first time on the Lobby type server or not be able to join at all. After they join for the first time it would be nice for them to join the next time where ever they left the game.

[serene falcon]

A plugin can handle that for the last request

[ruby plover]

So I need to use the forced-host configs and then get a plugin to have player rejoin where they leftoff?

[serene falcon]

By default, people should already going into the first server in try list.

just make your first server your hub

[ruby plover]

I get that part but I really do not want 1st time players popping into the other servers say if the hub/lobby server goes down for some reason.

[ruby plover]

Also I use to have SAFENet setup on my waterfall server to protect backend offline servers is that what this forwarding secert does in Velocity keeps players from directly coming into or through the backend servers? Making sure I understand my new setup and have the security I want still.

I did read the options in the getting started info but most of them all were not workable with hosted servers.

[reef fulcrum]

Velocities modern forwarding protects against that using a secret

[ruby plover]

ahh good to know thanks

but what goes on the backend servers themself to protect them. Like SAFENet is actually on them all and the proxy. Some things I want to ask here but not sure if should but how does this protect each backend server is it because they are listed with their IP's in the congif that it is able to do this without a plugin on each one?

[reef fulcrum]

Well, your backend servers need to support modern forwarding

no plugins needed if they have native support

[ruby plover]

ok I will talk to hosting to check on that then

[agile lotus]

No error on sever or proxy but some people was kick with this message
" internal excepion: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: Received unexpected null component "

It's a waterfall problem ?

[reef fulcrum]

Doesn't look like a waterfall message

[reef fulcrum]

Just got a whole bunch of paperwork through the door concerning this, 6th of june I will be disappearing for a short while

[agile lotus]

Take care

[radiant hearth]

Trying to debug/sort out an issue but just trying to learn more about how bungee/waterfall work:
What is the upstream bridge?
is upstream the client or the server

[reef fulcrum]

I wasn't directing you to this channel

I pointed you to a pinned message, because I pinned that info

[radiant hearth]

oh what

my bad

LOL i see now thanks

so Upstream bridge: Read timeout would be proxy losing connection to player's client then?

[reef fulcrum]

Yes

[manic ice]

Hi ik waterfall has been end of life but just wondering if anyone knows if bungeecord is stable for 1.20.5/1.20.6

[reef fulcrum]

as far as the proxy is concerned, 1.20.5/6 was a trivial update

[dark flax]

at the moment i am using waterfall and i just enabled ip forwarding because before when i try to directly connect to the backend server it says that i need to enable ip forwarding and now when i do it just wont let me ping the server

and also i can't connect to the proxy anymore

[reef fulcrum]

You're not supposed to be able to connect to the backend server

you connect to the proxy and the proxy connects you to the backend servers

[dark flax]

so i can't directly connect to the backend server?

[reef fulcrum]

exposing backend servers to the public network is a huge security risk if you don't have stuff like bungeeguard to prevent people connecting directly to them

Correct

your backend servers are not doing authentication at all

[dark flax]

ahh ok

[reef fulcrum]

and are now even configured in a mode that allows literally anybody to tell them "hey, this is my IP and my UUID and my name"

[dark flax]

so why when i try to connect to my backend server it says that i need to enable the ip forwarding

?

[reef fulcrum]

Because your client doesn't do bungee IP forwarding

there are many hacked clients which will pretend to be bungee in order to allow people to connect as an OP, etc

[dark flax]

ahh ok thank you so much for the info

what is this error translate to?

[reef fulcrum]

something is sending bad data

[dark flax]

does this help? or its still the same?

[reef fulcrum]

I'm not sure what you're asking

We got illegal data during login

[dark flax]

from what?

[reef fulcrum]

from whatever that network client was

[dark flax]

what would happend if we both have the proxy connected to the same backend server and both of them are running and a player try to connect what would happend?

[reef fulcrum]

if you have 2 seperate proxy pointing to the same minecraft server with 0 security mechanism, and a player connected to each, then you'd have 2 players on that server

[dark flax]

with the same accounts?

[reef fulcrum]

you can only have 1 person online on a backend server with the same name

idk who it will kick, but, only 1 of them will be sitting around

[dark flax]

and what if i have 2 different network version like waterfall and velocity that are connected to the same backend server what would happend?

[reef fulcrum]

depends

if you configure the network for that, then the exact same thing

[dark flax]

ahh ok

[reef fulcrum]

if you configured the server to use modern forwarding, which is secure, then the bungeecord proxy wouldn't even be able to connect

[dark flax]

oh no not bungee, i will use waterfall wait is bungee the same with watefall or something is different?

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall is a (dead) fork of bungee

[dark flax]

fork?

[reef fulcrum]

we modify bungeecord

[dark flax]

ok

[dark flax]

what if im using waterfall waht would happend?

sorry if i ping you

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall is the exact same as bungee in that regard

[dark flax]

ok

[dark flax]

would be possible if the sub domain would be pinging it or sending bad data?

[reef fulcrum]

DNS is literally irrelevant

[dark flax]

ok

what it could be then? or is it a plugin?

[reef fulcrum]

No

I can't help you

[dark flax]

what could it be? like common things?

[reef fulcrum]

You expsoed an application to the internet

Somebody on the internet is sending garbage data to the thing you exposed to the internet

unless you're the one trying to connect to it and its failing, there is generally no issue here

[dark flax]

im the only 1

[reef fulcrum]

(you might want to take advantage of your firewall, if you have access to one)

[dark flax]

ok

[ruby plover]

Ok so did I get it right? With velocity I need to use a plugin for servers to remember where a player was last and return them to that spot when they log back in?

and for the proxy to remember what server the player left from

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[ruby plover]

any good suggestions?

[reef fulcrum]

velocity reconnect

[ruby plover]

perfect thank you

[novel hill]

hey, I'm not asking for help so much as advice. I like to host a bunch of modded servers not just some vanilla ones and I'd simply like to have it setup so that my modded servers can be connect to via a proxy as I'd just like to make connecting to my servers simple and easy with one IP and would like to know the advantages of going with waterfall are over velocity or vise versa

(posted this in both channels)

[proud olive]

Hi, is Waterfall working on 1.20.6?

[reef fulcrum]

Velocity has a bit more ecosystem related to modding support, cross stitch, ambassador, etc; and, waterfall is dead

[serene falcon]

As you may see from the website, the project is reaching its end of life. Please consider switch to Velocity where Paper team continues their works.

[marble kelp]

?

[dry star]

Is Travertine really better than Waterfall for 1.7.10?

[viscid silo]

waterfall doesnt support 1.7.10, does it? lol

also, nothing is good when you look at 1.7.10, lmao

[dry star]

It seems like I used to launch my 1.7 with Waterfall ><

[reef fulcrum]

Well, yea, maybe

back when 1.7.10 was the latest version, bungee, etc, supported it

[dry star]

Yeah maybe, but thanks 🙂

[thick rover]

I rely on an ecosystem of plugins built for Bungee/Waterfall. Most notably, SubServers 2.
Is there another fork to switch to, or should I go back to standard Bungee now that Waterfall is no more?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, recommending a fork generally implies a level of vouching for them and their quality, and that I generally cannot do

I'd generally recommend on looking into seeing if you can migrate to velocity, but, I know that is kinda hard, especially when you have fairly niche plugins and don't have the capacity to just hire a dev, currently situation the server I was doing stuff for is in

[thick rover]

yeah like from what it looks like our chat plugin and our entire server manager don't have Velocity versions

[thick rover]

why did the team create/push Velocity instead of improving Waterfall? is there some major internal incompatibility with Bungee that makes a big difference to the goals of the project?

[reef fulcrum]

Because improving waterfall is generally a dead end when people are tied to supporting a project which generally doesn't want to move forward

Nobody generally wanted to work with me on much whenever I reached out to people to aid with stuff, and the few that did generally found more fun and engagement working on a new project which allowed them to actually solve core fundimental issues in velocity that I could not fix in waterfall as being a fork

I resisted the deprecation/death of waterfall from the team a few dozen times, but, I have to accept that I do not have the resources required to maintain waterfall in a manner which isn't just stringing it along

[thick rover]

It may be quite annoying, but I'll be honest I don't blame you or anyone else for it

[reef fulcrum]

and, I'm likely going to be recovering from surgery on the day that 1.21 is released

[thick rover]

I'll take it you got a fair share of people pissed pissed about it though

[thick rover]

Well, whatever it is I wish you a speedy recovery

[reef fulcrum]

https://docs.papermc.io/velocity/comparisons-to-other-proxies

[serene falcon]

Nah most people are positive about it on our EOL announcement and not to mention most big server se using velocity nowadays like some of the big names like minehut and 2b2t etc..

[reef fulcrum]

I had a few complaints, but complaints don't pay the bills, etc

[thick rover]

I'm not thrilled but I understand, it's the nature of projects like these and I still respect all the work this team does

[serene falcon]

The “team” is just electronicCat for waterfall lately

[thick rover]

I mean the Paper team/project in its whole!

[thick rover]

So if we cannot, ... go back to Bungee?

[twin solstice]

yes

[thick rover]

Just discovered our niche plugin supports Velocity if you use a slightly different architecture!

[lilac topaz]

hELP?

[craggy trout]

Maybe Nullcordx.

[thick rover]

I've seen tons of decoder exceptions lately on Waterfall, no idea why

[craggy trout]

Maybe caused by new plugins, BungeeCord modified UUID rewriting

[bitter birch]

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[ashen grove]

Nice

[north raptor]

is there someone that can help me with this problem i updated my server to 1.20.4 and now i have this problem

[craggy trout]

Do you have a premium account?

[north raptor]

yeah

[reef fulcrum]

that's the "mojang did not give us a response"

generally, either need to restart the client, or, disable the prevent-proxy-connections option in config.yml

[craggy trout]

I have seen this error when some plugins reach the limit of requests to the mojang API.

[north raptor]

did a restart already did not fix it so i will look at the proxy now thanks

[north raptor]

thanks i turned proxy on false now the problem is fixed

[tight latch]

why is waterfall not supported longer?

[reef fulcrum]

Becaose nobody on the team wants to or has the desire to maintain it, I prevented it being deprecated multiple times and did intend to keep it updated for a short while as the person I was doing stuff for was using it, but

1. now he's not
2. I was going to keep it maintained maybe until the end of the year, but, I'm not going to be around when 1.21 releases, so

[tight latch]

what is the alternatives then

[craggy trout]

And if we do PR?

[craggy trout]

Use BungeeCord, or some fork of Waterfall that just upstreams

[reef fulcrum]

it's low priority, and I'm not going to be around when 1.21 releases

waterfall and the state of upstream generally just burned me out from desiring to work on a project which has such an investment requirement in order to do much with it

[viscid silo]

velocity

[craggy trout]

How about bungeecord tho.

[viscid silo]

velocity is waterfall - bungeecord

[craggy trout]

I don't think he wants to change ecosystems, he can use the Waterfall base project.

[viscid silo]

they should tho

[craggy trout]

Well that's everyone's opinion, but BungeeCord has updates too, usually Minecraft versions are usually updated faster

If he wants to change, he should do it, it is not a bad option

[reef fulcrum]

basically, as I've said, look towards migrating back towards bungee or look towards velocity

I've been semi planning to do like a blog post or something summing it up in a nicer manner, me generally burning out of waterfall was a huge thing, especially after I got ill right after I spent weeks getting entity metadata rewriting into the project

or how md still doesn't properly support components

(There was an adventure PR for waterfall, but, there was an ABI break in it that I needed to investigate, and the person behind it ended up getting org banned for various behaviors)

[craggy trout]

I have tried to make several pull requests that are good, but because he does not like them he may not accept them.