waterfall-help

[chrome fossil]

yeah, multiproxy is possible. But no support for that here, as me know, at your risk

[nimble ember]

woterfall

proxy in proxy isnt supported

and the specific diagram you sent makes little sense

[tiny robin]

twm

[reef fulcrum]

Your systems file perms are setup wrong

[prime basin]

I am using the latest version and it tells me that it's outdated.

[reef fulcrum]

it's based on the time the jar was built, just ignore it

[prime basin]

okay

Is it normal that it doesn't allow the server to shut down? It says "unknown command."

[reef fulcrum]

end

[prime basin]

oka

[reef fulcrum]

busted config file

[prime basin]

Ty

[torn jay]

hi! how can I choose a motd for a forced host option?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1142785670197284904/1143674026405937372/image.png

for ip pvp.md-5.net, set a motd different

[winged pilot]

what would the point of that even be

[torn jay]

different servers but same proxy

[west chasm]

Hello, since i use waterfall my player get kick for so many differnet message from minecraft i guess how can i fix it? :/

[visual inlet]

can anyone help me with the velocity fowarding secret and how to setup?

[reef fulcrum]

wrong channel, and the docs should generally cover it

[visual inlet]

i dont see a velocity channel

[reef fulcrum]

go to channels and roles and select the velocity one

or tell discord to show all channels

[torn jay]

can someone help me pls?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, if you're using forced hosts + ping passthrough, then it will use the servers motd

otherwise, find a plugin that does that

[torpid minnow]

hey i need help, when i try connecting to my proxy server it says "kicked whilst connecting to lobby: Unable to authenticate" and idk why

[nimble ember]

did you set online-mode to false and enable bungeecord on the backend server?

[obsidian ginkgo]

and is your forwarding secret correct

[nimble ember]

there is no forwarding secret in waterfall

[obsidian ginkgo]

oop

i thought i was in #velocity-help

[nimble ember]

i dont think bungeeguard is built-in to waterfall like it is on velocity

(could be entirely wrong)

[obsidian ginkgo]

i don’t think it is

[nimble ember]

waterfall is the same as using legacy forwarding on velocity

[prime basin]

When I use "end" in the console, the server shuts down and then restarts, and I have to use "end" again, but this time it actually turns off. Is there any way to change this?

[reef fulcrum]

end just closes waterfall

if it's restarting that would suggest that somethings up with whatever you're running the server in

[prime basin]

If I use the server's "stop" command, it says unknown command and it doesn't shut down

[reef fulcrum]

waterfall doesn't have a stop command

it has an end command

the end command shutsdown the proxy

[prime basin]

So, if I want to shut down everything, which command do I use?

[reef fulcrum]

there is no "shut down everything" command

end stops the proxy

stop stops the server

if you wanna shutdown everything, you'd need some form of management software to give you that

[prime basin]

So, if I want to shut down the server, do I use "end" first and then "stop"?

[reef fulcrum]

no?

you need to shut everything down individually

maybe if you have like, 1 server and its slow to shutdown, you can run /stop and then /end and pray they both close

[prime basin]

I mean, to shut down the Waterfall proxy server, the "stop" button doesn't actually stop the server

In the console, it shows "unknown command."

So, I end up using "end" then.

[reef fulcrum]

Which would be down to your control software

[prime basin]

okay

One more question, why isn't the MOTD updating? I've changed it several times and it keeps showing the default one.

[tidal musk]

why is this not firing?

[fresh wren]

have a question. im using waterfall rn and "arclight 1.16.5" as my backend server. But rn i cannot join the server it always says that the fallback server are not reachable or down.

I did anything for the setup. Do bungeecord: true, onlinemode: false
And on waterfall the stuff with server setting up, ip-forwarding etc. But still it wont work. can somebody help me pls?

"Could not connect to a default or fallback server, please try again later: io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException"

[nimble ember]

is there anything in the log of the backend server?

also proxies dont work very well with forge on modern versions

[fresh wren]

he dont even try to connect to the backend server

he stops on the bungeecord server

with the error "Could not connect to a default or fallback server, please try again later: io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AnnotatedConnectException"

[reef fulcrum]

That's generally a network config issue

[fresh wren]

in the config.yml everything should be right. and on my server firewall the ports that a mc server / bungeecord needs are opened.

[reef fulcrum]

generally more routing issues

i.e. trying to host everything on 1 machine, and using the machines public IP to try to connect to the backend servers

if using a host, speak to them

if self hosting ptero, see pins

if self hosting, use a local network adapter

[fresh wren]

its ptero yes.

found it thanks.

[fresh wren]

im using rn waterfall and as spigot fork "arclight" so i can use mods and plugins on my server.

But i cannot join the server rn. It says:

"[14:17:22] [Netty Epoll Server IO #3/ERROR] [forge/NetworkRegistry]: Channels [mineminenomi:main_channel,artifacts:main,lootr:main_network_channel,curios:main] rejected vanilla connections"
[14:17:22] [Netty Epoll Server IO #3/INFO] [forge/ServerLifecycleHooks]: Disconnecting VANILLA connection attempt: This server has mods that require Forge to be installed on the client. Contact your server admin for more details.

Can it maybe be bc I use ip-forwarding and waterfall?

And yes i installed every mod from my server on my client too

unfortunately I can't use velocity because I'm on java 8

[reef fulcrum]

bungee and proxies are generally unsupported

I mean

just use velocity

you can have more than 1 java version installed on your machine

[fresh wren]

never used before 2 java versions at the same time. could it make problems?

[reef fulcrum]

not really

[fresh wren]

should i use java 11 or the newest java 17 for velocity?

[reef fulcrum]

No reason to not use 17

[fresh wren]

ok thanks

[safe ravine]

I have a question about waterfall motd.
1,Is there any way to add pictograms to motd? (and please tell me how to do it)
2,Please tell me how to make motd into two lines.
3,Please let me know if there is a tool to edit motd easily.

[marble kelp]

are you refering to the server list description or an ingame motd?

for the first use ServerListPlus. it should also support the full unicode space (at least the ones that Minecraft supports in their font)

[safe ravine]

I'm refering to server list motd.

[outer briar]

Why is ServerConnectEvent called twice?

[lime river]

Asking again, ever since I switched to waterfall from velocity, players have been reporting authentication issues. Is this something anyone has run into before?

[reef fulcrum]

mojangs services have been messed up all week

outside of that, going to boil down to the actual error

[lime river]

There is nothing on our end

I'm mostly concerned because we had this issue when we used waterfall before

[reef fulcrum]

Well, the only real difference between velocity and waterfall on this front is the netty DNS library

disabling that will fix some peoples issues for some reason, only guess is weird networks but 🤷‍♂️

[lime river]

Ill try that

[tidal musk]

can i use java 17 on waterfall?

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[tidal musk]

oh thx

when i upgrade the version my configs disappear?

[upper stirrup]

That shouldn't happen. Are you sure you didn't delete them yourself when upgrading?

[outer briar]

Started today for us as well has been gone so far

[strong dirge]

heyo, any quick fix to enlargening the packet size limit for waterfall?

[reef fulcrum]

No, if you have something that breaks the protocol spec youd need to modify waterfall yourself

[strong dirge]

could a max packet size option be added?

[reef fulcrum]

Could, maybe, will, probably not

[exotic crypt]

best /hub plugin?

or someredirect plugin if a server restarts/goes off instead of kicking the player

[marble kelp]

afaik there is a setting in the waterfall.yml for versions. Not sure if this is only display though or if it is actually enforced when trying to join

[reef fulcrum]

It's only for display

[exotic crypt]

k

[reef fulcrum]

all the built in modules are enabled by default

spigot never deemed there to be a reason for the proxy to deal with white/blacklisting versions of the protocol, because for th emost part, the backend servers would deal with that

[zenith glade]

updated to latest waterfall and it says "this build is potentially outdated" and I get this error spammed throughout the console

Caused by: java.lang.reflect.InaccessibleObjectException: Unable to make field int java.awt.Color.value accessible: module java.desktop does not "opens java.awt" to unnamed module @6f2fd062
        at java.lang.reflect.AccessibleObject.checkCanSetAccessible(AccessibleObject.java:354) ~[?:?]
        at java.lang.reflect.AccessibleObject.checkCanSetAccessible(AccessibleObject.java:297) ~[?:?]
        at java.lang.reflect.Field.checkCanSetAccessible(Field.java:178) ~[?:?]
        at java.lang.reflect.Field.setAccessible(Field.java:172) ~[?:?]
        at com.google.gson.internal.reflect.ReflectionHelper.makeAccessible(ReflectionHelper.java:35) ~[waterfall-1.20-536.jar:git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:ec41547:536]
        ... 86 more

[reef fulcrum]

message is time based

it's upset because there hasn't been a release in too long, and I don't have the means to do one atm

[zenith glade]

is velocity what is mostly being used now?

[reef fulcrum]

as for the error, can't exactly say without the trace, but, something somewhere is doing something unsupporte on that version of java

[zenith glade]

using java 17

openjdk version "17.0.7" 2023-04-18
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 17.0.7+7-Debian-1deb11u1)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 17.0.7+7-Debian-1deb11u1, mixed mode, sharing)

[reef fulcrum]

We don't have metrics to say how popular velocity is, it generally seems to be gaining slow adoption

[reef fulcrum]

er, bungeechat blowing up like that is odd

missing too much info, i'd be weary on a plugin screwing with stuff, otherwise 🤷‍♂️

[zenith glade]

i think i'm just gonna remake my proxy

because i havent touched it in over 3 years and i'll have done is update it to the latest everytime theres a new update

[tropic snow]

how can i enable this on my server

waterfall

[tropic snow]

hey i need help pls
i am not able to understand how to setup waterfall

[delicate phoenix]

What do you need help with exactly?

The waterfall getting started guide in my opinion is beginner friendly, but if you have any questions, we are happy to help. https://docs.papermc.io/waterfall/getting-started

[tidal musk]

where can i find waterfall velocity or bungeecord for 1.8?

[delicate phoenix]

Both Waterfall and Velocity support versions from 1.8 to 1.20.1, so the latest build should support 1.8 too.

[cyan ibex]

Hi, I want to match bungee commands formatting on Velocity, could someone show me /alert, /find and /send feedback? like I know it's like red [alert] and "attempting to send" but I'd appreciate pictures :)

[cyan ibex]

Please

[nimble ember]

any reason you cant just download and run bungee/waterfall yourself to test it?

[cyan ibex]

how on Chromebook

[marble kelp]

pretty sure chromebooks just use linux. according to a quick google search you can just install java

you need to start in developer mode though to get the shell

[cyan ibex]

I tried, after java what do I do

I just thought it'd be easier to ask you guys

[marble kelp]

just run waterfall the same way you run any java application from a command line

or you know, just read the source code of those commands? feels easier than trying to get other people to do work for you

[cyan ibex]

could you send me the link

sorry i didn't think it was a big deal, that maybe someone had it already setup so could help me

but I can read the docs you are right

like the github page right

[cyan ibex]

source is confusing

can you just tell me if the brackets in alert are gray &7 or dark gray &8 please

that's all

[reef fulcrum]

There are no docs about this

Best you can do is look at the messages file from the bungee record and pray it's in there

[delicate phoenix]

Check the minimotd config for player count related stuff, as it might overwrite it. It's also possible that unless a setting is changed, it doesn't modify the player count, in that case consider looking for the ping_passthrough option in the Waterfall config.

[slow gorge]

oh how do you use a different font for your motd?

oh ty

[reef fulcrum]

you want ping passthrough off if you want it to show the network count, otherwise it will show the count of whatever is the server the player would be connected to by default

outside of that, using stuff like serverutils is unsupported and little garauntee that the plugin would of loaded properly

[delicate phoenix]

Also, just a side note, but your backend serbur should only be reachable thru the proxy. ^^

[rapid trellis]

Okay so I'm trying to have my servers have a different icon when the player puts in a different IP. Kinda like how each server can have its own MOTD defined in the config.yml of waterfall, I want each server to have its own icon also. Is this possible and if so, how?

[reef fulcrum]

basically, either use ping passthrough (will lose the global count)

or, basically, find a plugin

[rapid trellis]

I dont want to lose global count. Any chance you know of a plugin that will do this? Totally fine if you don't, its probably not a common thing

[reef fulcrum]

nope

[rapid trellis]

All good, thanks for your help!

[still wasp]

when i try to do /server NAME it says i cant access the server. what can i do to fix it? or where do i change access

[winged pilot]

is it configured correctly?

without knowing the full error it's impossible to tell

[delicate phoenix]

Yup! Is there anything in the serbur console when you try to join?

[delicate phoenix]

If it started happening when you added TCPShield, then it's likely a miss configuration issue with TCPShield.

I think that since it started happening after you added tcpshield, it's likely a miss configuration.

[reef fulcrum]

you don't set your backend servers into tcpshield

you put your proxy in there, and then use the thing like normal

[twin solstice]

correct

yes

only on the proxy

tcpshield connects you to your proxy

your proxy takes care of the rest of the networking as if it doesn't have tcpshield

[twin solstice]

means tcpshield is working fine, you now probably have a bad plugin or something else misconfigured

reproduce without plugins

that message doesn't sound like something bungeecord/waterfall would print

it's not tcpshield

if it was tcpshield you wouldn't be able to see the connection in console

no because its not tcpshield

[twin solstice]

.

that message does not appear to be printed from bungeecord at all

do you have any other plugins

send the entire log aswell

screenshots are useless and you're very likely hiding useful information

i can tell from the line above it that you're still running plugins

reproduce without any plugins and provide the entire log

in that case, good luck

you know the rules and so do i

was more expecting you to say that the log points out offline mode

eitherway

tcpshield is not your issue here, tons of servers use it across waterfal, velocity, paper, whatever

[lunar meteor]

Any solution?

What was the solution?

[winged pilot]

tcpshield

was the cause

[twin solstice]

if you're getting read timed outs for a bunch of player at the same time

usually a network issue on either your end or your proxy's end e.g. tcpshield

provide logs

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @eternal wolf: https://pastes.dev/DNsMApDbXG

[twin solstice]

make sure the port in your bungeecord config matches the port in your control panel

as bungeecord/waterfall will default to 25577

waterfall is built on bungeecord

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @eternal wolf: https://pastes.dev/KMUFcjdP1L

[twin solstice]

reproduce without plugins on said lobby server

or look for errors there

ensure you have configured the lobby server properly for bungeecord

no

yes

if this is your first time using bungeecord/waterfall or whatever

use velocity instead

okay use velocity

we don't really care that much about waterfall/bungeecord anymore

[tidal musk]

does waterfall work no more

?

[twin solstice]

it functions

[tidal musk]

[23:13:03 INFO]: Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_alert, file=modules/cmd_alert.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [23:13:03 INFO]: Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_find, file=modules/cmd_find.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [23:13:03 INFO]: Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_list, file=modules/cmd_list.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [23:13:03 INFO]: Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_send, file=modules/cmd_send.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [23:13:03 INFO]: Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=cmd_server, file=modules/cmd_server.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [23:13:03 INFO]: Discovered module: ModuleSpec(name=reconnect_yaml, file=modules/reconnect_yaml.jar, provider=JenkinsModuleSource()) [23:13:03 INFO]: Loaded plugin reconnect_yaml version git:reconnect_yaml:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 INFO]: Loaded plugin cmd_find version git:cmd_find:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 INFO]: Loaded plugin cmd_server version git:cmd_server:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 INFO]: Loaded plugin cmd_alert version git:cmd_alert:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 INFO]: Loaded plugin cmd_send version git:cmd_send:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 INFO]: Loaded plugin cmd_list version git:cmd_list:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 WARN]: Forced host server pvp is not defined [23:13:03 INFO]: Enabled plugin reconnect_yaml version git:reconnect_yaml:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 INFO]: Enabled plugin cmd_find version git:cmd_find:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 INFO]: Enabled plugin cmd_server version git:cmd_server:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 INFO]: Enabled plugin cmd_alert version git:cmd_alert:1.19-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:e7490f3:535 by WaterfallMC [23:13:03 INFO]: Listening on /0.0.0.0:25566

errors

[twin solstice]

there are no errors there

[tidal musk]

is it working?

[twin solstice]

yes?

there are no errors

[tidal musk]

how

[twin solstice]

wdym how

[tidal musk]

let me try rq

[twin solstice]

waterfall & bungeecord both work fine in 2023

[tidal musk]

but why its not generating world

[twin solstice]

it's a proxy

[tidal musk]

oh

[twin solstice]

it's not a minecraft server

[tidal musk]

is velocity minecrft server?

too?

[twin solstice]

no

it's a proxy

[tidal musk]

damn

[tidal musk]

so i can only use paper and etc right?

[lunar meteor]

I don't use a plugin like tcp shield

[twin solstice]

if you want a minecraft server, use paper

[lunar meteor]

I have a dedicated server where my backends don't allow non local connections

[twin solstice]

do you have a dedicated server / vps?

cool, rule out it being a network issue on your host's end

[lunar meteor]

Ok, I'll do so, thanks

[tough bramble]

It's just one server too. we have 3 backend servers and only in one is everyone timing out after a few minutes

[twin solstice]

if it's one specific backend server and all 3 backend servers are on the same dedicated server

probably not a network issue then

[tough bramble]

right

[winged pilot]

if it's only one backend then it sounds like you have a plugin doing dumb shit on the main thread

[tough bramble]

yeah it was carbon chat

probably parsing too many placeholders in the chats (we have 8) but idk for sure

[craggy trout]

I think you don't care much on it

I don't see the point of recommending velocity in this case, I am asking something out of scope

[stark sequoia]

Waterfall is on life support

It's really not getting updates other than what upstream does

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, I don't have hardware to work on waterfall in a reasonable manner

The server I'm kinda still doing stuff for here and there still uses it, and so I might be dragged into maintaining it for a bit longer, but, i mean, it's time to just say that it should be considered dead

I've been warning that I don't have the hardware or health capacity to commit to it for a while but people kept seeming to just ignore that so

[twin solstice]

waterfall hasn't received much other than upstream updates in the past few months either

[jovial sedge]

im currently using waterfall as the proxy and for some reason it always shows 1/1 players online. When i login to the server theres could be like 4 people

[reef fulcrum]

that would generally be down to plugins

the only relevant waterfall thing is ping-passthrough in which passes server list pings to the backend servers

[jovial sedge]

could be the MiniMOTD plugin then

[twin solstice]

minimotd can replace your player count if you opt into it

look at it's config

[jovial sedge]

pretty sure its turned off but i will look. Also is it possible to move players to as server without a plugin?

currently setting a command to move all players to Hub when a server restarts 🤔 I just need to know if i can move players without a third-party plugin

[reef fulcrum]

I mean

yea

theres the send command

just if it does it in a useful manner to you is a different thing

[jovial sedge]

whats the command

👀

[reef fulcrum]

/send

[jovial sedge]

😎

[reef fulcrum]

you'd need to consult the bungee docs

[jovial sedge]

link?

[reef fulcrum]

google

am too dizzy

[jovial sedge]

😐 if its on that spigot website 🤣 i can't stand that site

its so messy

[reef fulcrum]

it's on the spigot site

never got around to migrating that stuff, annnnnnnd waterfall is kinda dead, soooooo

[torn quest]

guys why it throws the error: " -> UpstreamBridge has disconnected " when someone try to enter to spigot server?

[frigid kite]

Hi!

Why does my console returns:
*** Hey! This build is potentially outdated 😦 ***
*** Please check for a new build from https://papermc.io/downloads ***
*** Should this build be outdated, you will get NO support for it. ***
Since I'm using latest waterfall build ?

[reef fulcrum]

Because it's time based, and there hasn't been a release in so long

[frigid kite]

I got it , thx

[dark bone]

UpstreamBridge - encountered exception
io.netty.handler.codec.EncoderException: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Cannot get ID for packet class net.md_5.bungee.protocol.packet.Chat in phase GAME with direction TO_CLIENT

[reef fulcrum]

something tried to send a bad packet to a client

i.e. a plugin on the proxy created a chat packet for the wrong version of MC

[plush musk]

i have 2 server a dedicated for minecraft and a root server of 2gb ram can i use the root server to get without port access i don't want lobby or any other server

pls ping me while replying

[lost river]

I don't understand what you want.
What i understand:

• you have 2 servers
• one of them is a minecraft server
• one of them is a root server with 2gb ram
• you want to use the root server to do something
• you don't want a lobby server or similar stuff
  What i don't know but would like to know to help you:
• what minecraft server type (modded, plugins, vanilla) is the minecraft server?
• what do you want to do with the root server?
  Please also ping me when you reply.

[plush musk]

yes i have 2 server one paper (dedicated minecraft don't have access to default port ) and a linux vps
i want to use vps as a proxy server with default port

i just want my player to connect through only ip

i dont want any other server

[lost river]

what mc version (1.20 ?) is the paper server?

[plush musk]

yes

1.20.x

[tidal musk]

will waterfall update upstream?

[lost river]

then you should be able to set up velocity on the root server according to this document and secure it using Velocity modern forwarding
That is most likely the most secure thing to do.

[plush musk]

which one is better

waterfall or velocity ?

[lost river]

velocity is the newer thing and will probably be better for the long term.

[plush musk]

i have used waterfall and bunge

velocity new for me

[plush musk]

it means i can use proxy for one paper server

?

i want to use only ip without port to connect

[tidal musk]

use domain

add srv record

[lost river]

you can use velocity, waterfall, or bungeecord as a proxy.
velocity has modern forwarding wich is more secure than waterfall with bungeeguard. Since you want people to only join via the proxy, use that.

Or use an srv record, that is simpler if you have a domain.

[plush musk]

i have used and i dont think for geyser ( port 19132 ) it will work

[tidal musk]

srv records don't support udp

[plush musk]

pls let me know if i am wrong

[tidal musk]

so ur geyser need to use 19132 port

or u can use proxy or what

[plush musk]

thats why i want to use my vps as a proxy with default port to connect

[plush musk]

yes thats bedrock default port

[tidal musk]

so use the 19132 port :)

[plush musk]

yeah using proxy

[tidal musk]

👍

[plush musk]

@tidal musk and @lost river thanks for clearing doubts 🥹

[open tree]

I have the following problem, I am using a resource pack that was loaded from the server lobby before switching to Waterfall. Now I have the problem, when you port from Server2 to Lobby the Mojang screen comes up. How can I set Waterfall to distribute the resource pack from Waterfall instead of the server (eq Lobby? Or do I have another error?

[reef fulcrum]

you'd use a plugin which handles resource packs on the proxy

[onyx edge]

alright one of the servers i work for uses Travertine and we're in the middle of merging it with some other proxy, which one would you guys recommend?

[wicked tusk]

velocity

[onyx edge]

we would have to rewrite our whole entire network to do velocity

ill look into it

[reef fulcrum]

Bungeecord has been on life support for years now

theres literally no API revolution, heck, their solution for the component update was to just return raw strings in the API

[onyx edge]

rewriting our whole system to velocity is going to be a pain in the ass

[reef fulcrum]

Well, yea, ofc

but in the long term, it would potentially be advised

[onyx edge]

i'll talk to my supervisor and ill see if we want to pay somebody to rewrite our plugins as we both dont have time

[tidal musk]

bungeecord is better than waterfall now?

[reef fulcrum]

In that it's half ass maintained? sure

[exotic crypt]

any plugin of ur knowledge for bungee tp?
like i got a report system on a network
and when someone gets reported it notifies the staff
and the staff is able to tp over

[open tree]

*** Hey! This build is potentially outdated 😦 ***
*** Please check for a new build from https://papermc.io/downloads ***
*** Should this build be outdated, you will get NO support for it. ***
? Can I replace Waterfall with Velocity or? My Plugins doesn't work

[reef fulcrum]

Velocity is an entirely different ecosystem

you would need to replace plugins with velocity alternatives/equivs

[open tree]

is there a newer dev build?

Issue: Your proxy version is not supported by UltraMotd. Please use 1.16 or higher.

same with ultrapermissions....

[reef fulcrum]

No

Waterfall is basically deprecated, and with the state of my health and the lack of hardware able to work on this stuff properly, it's basically dead

i'll try to update it for .2, but, I literally hardly have the means to even test that it will work, so

[open tree]

OK, thank you

[exotic crypt]

;-;

[woven locust]

Hi, is it possible to create a server network on a single machine and therefore a single IPV4?

Sorry for the dodgy translation I use a translator

[marble kelp]

sure

that's what most people do

[woven locust]

Okay then, I must have misconfigured it because it doesn't want to do anything.

Is it possible for me to send a mclo.gs link containing my "config.yml" so that someone can help me?

[marble kelp]

describing your problem would be a better first step

[woven locust]

It tells me it's misconfigured (First time I've used anything other than bungeecord)

PS: Bungeecord was telling me the same thing with the same config. I've changed the config several times with no luck.

[marble kelp]

provide the error message

[woven locust]

Many of us can't find the problem

[woven locust]

Error occurred processing connection for Nallaana AnnotatedConnectException : finishConnect(..) failed: Connection refused: localhost/127.0.0.1:25566
[19:38:29 INFO]: [Nallaana] disconnected with: Could not connect to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall?

[marble kelp]

ok, is the Paper server listening on 127.0.0.1:25566 ?

[woven locust]

Is it only with paper or is spigot compatible?

[marble kelp]

theoretically it is but there is really no reason to use it

[woven locust]

I can't find the options to activate the use bug with the tnt, the portals, the carpets, the rails and to break the bedrock, so I'm only on spigot.

[marble kelp]

well if you want a slow server with tons of exploits and missing features... lol

[woven locust]

Error occurred processing connection for Nallaana ConnectTimeoutException : connection timed out: /142.xxx.xxx.xx:25566
[19:44:57 INFO]: [Nallaana] disconnected with: Could not connect to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall?

(I changed 127.0.0.1 to the machine's ip )

[marble kelp]

set it to the IP the Minecraft server is listening on

if you are on the same machine then that should be a localhost one

[woven locust]

My server runs fine under spigot

[marble kelp]

until it doesn't xD

[woven locust]

A bit like everything

I replace the ip with localhost or 0.0.0.0?

[marble kelp]

well 0.0.0.0 isn't localhost so...

[woven locust]

Error occurred processing connection for Nallaana AnnotatedConnectException : finishConnect(..) failed: Connection refused: localhost/127.0.0.1:25566
[19:51:41 INFO]: [Nallaana] disconnected with: Could not connect to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall?

J'ai mis "localhost:25566"

[tidal musk]

Queria usar mas de 1GB de Ram en las Flags que recomiendan para Waterfall.

java -Xms512M -Xmx512M -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=4M -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -jar server.jar

Si quiero usar por ejemplo 2GB, debo de poner el mismo numero 2048 en los dos campos Xms y Xms?

[twin solstice]

english

[tidal musk]

If I want to use for example 2GB, should I put the same number 2048 in both fields Xms and Xms?

[twin solstice]

correct

you can also just do 2G instead of 2048M

[tidal musk]

okay, ty

[mental star]

Can I find out from what domain was joined?

forced_hosts:
domain.com -> Survival

Can I find out that the player joined via domain.com?

[reef fulcrum]

It’s either in one of the events or stored in the player object

[open tree]

my PermissionsPlugin has a problem with MariaDB and therefore cannot access the database. Is there a way to temporarily create permissions with a permissions.yml or similar?

I just need permission for all players on the servers...

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, no, at least not a WF thing

depends on your perm plugin

[tidal musk]

Waterfall now supports 1.20.2

Faster and better support than Velocity!
I'm considering switching to Waterfall.

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, waterfall is deprecated

[twin solstice]

switching to waterfall is literally the dumbest thing you can do

temporarily if you're able to do so, sure

permanently, questionable considering waterfall won't exist for much longer

[manic agate]

waterfall is deprecated
Uh owkay.... I guess Velocity is the new WF? So basically every plugin would either have to support Velocity or I should run snap and hope there won't be any issues, right?

[twin solstice]

support velocity yes

[tropic atlas]

I heard by some devs like Velocity api isn't there yet (like they can't do things on Velocity compared to Bungge). Some say it's not documented well enough?

[halcyon egret]

Ah shit waterfall is deprecated?

[manic agate]

Electroniccat says so, so apparantly I missed the newsflash.
That being said: I tried Velocity a couple of times over the past few years, asked devs to support it, but all I get is resentment to put effort in developing a velocity variant of their plugin.

[reef fulcrum]

Theres some areas which need some work, i.e. tab stuff

doesn't really change that I don't have the health or the hardware to work on waterfall anymore

[halcyon egret]

velocity is cool and I like and prefer it. Its moreso I have a network on waterfall that isnt particularly easy to update. So i might have to bite the bullet and downgrade it to bungeecord for the time being. No hate toward you though, I wish you the best of luck Electro, my mess I get to fix isnt your fault :p

[grand prairie]

Hi, I have a question about how I can hide a specific server under the /server command in a waterfall setup. I want this command to be available to players, but I need to restrict access to one server (the server will act as a limbo in the login process).

And another thing is, is it possible to add a delay to the /server command (e.g., using it every x seconds)?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, t heres the restricted server setting

and there exists plugins for cooldowns on waterfall afaik

[grand prairie]

Any idea where I can set this up?

[reef fulcrum]

in the config

you just set ti to resticted

if they don't have perm to access it, it won't show in the command

and that option pretty much only affects /server

[grand prairie]

I need change it on proxy server or on that blocked server?

[reef fulcrum]

on the proxy

[grand prairie]

Okay i got it thanks 🙂

[wraith talon]

Is this more likely to be a via or waterfall issue? https://github.com/ViaVersion/ViaVersion/issues/3424

[glass girder]

Am I able to connect a 100% vanilla server and paper servers together with Waterfall?

[reef fulcrum]

"yes"

but, you can't use ip forwarding in that case, so, bye bye player UUIDs + Ips

[glass girder]

Ok, thanks

[glass palm]

we have an issue with recent ViaVersion update

any solutions

[reef fulcrum]

Outside of reproducing without lugins, etc, no

ask them for support

[glass palm]

uh

[reef fulcrum]

machine is stalling, I can't do much

but, something mangled a packet

[glass palm]

proxy or spigot end?

[reef fulcrum]

given that we don't really support protocol hacks, if it's an issue with via, take it to them

otherwise, try without other plugins, etc

I mean

I mean, if theres no message in the proxy logs showing an error, it's probs something on the proxy

[slim beacon]

any update on this error?

is it waterfall or via version?

[tidal musk]

Isn't Waterfall easier to maintain than Velocity?

Waterfall only needs an upstream update to support new Minecraft versions.
Velocity currently has no active developers.

[grim cloud]

Waterfall getting dropped? Damn

Does that mean we have to start using some basic BungeeCord next

[winged pilot]

waterfall is a vibe tbh

it's simple and does what it needs to do

sucks that it's gonna be dropped

[stark sequoia]

Velocity has active developers

People here work on their free time

[old oyster]

Following up on this, this is a bug thats been reported to BungeeCord (ViaVer claim its a Bungee bug, so do other devs)

But there do seem to be BungeeCord/Waterfall bugs for other issues

Errors such as:

java.io.IOException: Packet 0/21 (PacketPlayInLook) was larger than I expected, found 16 bytes extra whilst reading packet 21

More info here: https://github.com/ViaVersion/ViaVersion/issues/3424

[grim cloud]

Is it something that Waterfall can fix?

[spare walrus]

yes and no. Yes that it is a bungee/waterfall issue so it can be fixed by either. No because it is a time issue for people that have both the know-how and time to make it happen.
Once a fix is presented, I can say with confidence it will be merged and released. I couldn't stipulate when that would be though.

[reef fulcrum]

We go back to the, I don’t have the eyes to sit in front of my computer for hours, and the “my computer is so slow anything I do do would take hours”

[leaden stone]

Will there be a 1.20.2 compatible Waterfall jar out today?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, there is one

but

it's kinda broken because bungeecord is broken

and, see previous mentions of waterfall being deprecated because no health/hardware

[leaden stone]

So the latest version of Waterfall is compatible with 1.20.2 by ViaVersion?

[leaden stone]

Would you recommend people to move to velocity instead?

[marble kelp]

of course

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, that has been our recommendation for a good while now

it also needs updating as apparently mojangs release timing was bad for a bunch of us

[leaden stone]

And just to clarify. You did say that the latest Waterfall version is compatible with 1.20.2?

[reef fulcrum]

read my first 3 sentences

[leaden stone]

From here? #waterfall-help message
Are you saying you guys kinda have one but it's not being pushed out yet because it's broken? Or are you saying that you guys have pushed out one and it's kinda broken?

[reef fulcrum]

it's pushed

there are known issue

[leaden stone]

What are the known issues

[reef fulcrum]

The thing completely blows up the client in some cases

[leaden stone]

Bruh

[leaden stone]

On specific clients or all of them?

[reef fulcrum]

See the bungee issue tracker

apparently really just plugin messages, idk

[flint junco]

i've updated waterfall to 1.20.2 but when i log in i see: disconnected, no error message and it doesn't even show that i've logged in, it just shows disconnected

[flint junco]

does anyone have any idea what it is, i enter the server and get a disconnected message, but nothing appears on the console only on my client in 1.20.2 is it a waterfall problem?

[mighty wagon]

If you have any plugins sending plugin messages too early probably related to https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/issues/3519

[marble kelp]

it's not only plugin messages even

it's also normal messages and other stuff

[mighty wagon]

Ok, if your server turns on then it will probably have a problem xD

[leaden stone]

So is this something where it's bungee that needs to fix the issues and Waterfall is just inheriting the issues for the time being

[reef fulcrum]

if it's the bungee issue, yes

if not, no idea

[flint junco]

solved it was a plugin now i have another problem

this only happens in 1.20.2

is there a solution to this?

[reef fulcrum]

We go back to the notion of there being a bungeecord issue which is likely the cause of that

[flint junco]

so should i wait for them to fix it?

[leaden stone]

Is there a discord where people discuss bungeecord with the devs of bungee

[reef fulcrum]

that would be the spigot discord

[flint junco]

there's nothing I can do but wait for them to fix it, right?

[reef fulcrum]

if it's their issue yes

I do not have the harware or the health to care to dig into this

[flint junco]

ok thanks, and sorry to take up your time

🥰

[marble kelp]

well you can write a PR or pay someone to do so ;)

[reef fulcrum]

licks phoenix

[marble kelp]

👀

[winged pilot]

i recieve that error when switching on 1.20.2

not sure if it's related to the above or not.

[native sage]

hi, i receive this error when more then 20 players join my skyblock server, it kicks us out but only happens on skyblock. it kicks a bunch of players out.
link to paste: https://paste.learnspigot.com/lavimabalu.php

[reef fulcrum]

Seemingly a bit of a known bungeecord issue

[native sage]

Any fix?

Sorry if I pinged

[reef fulcrum]

don't have the hardware or the health to look into it

[native sage]

#Ok

Where would I go to get it fixed

Do you have any recommended places I can go get help?

[reef fulcrum]

See if you can reproduce it with bungeecord and report it there

[native sage]

Ok

[reef fulcrum]

if you can't reproduce it with bungee, Id guess it's a waterfall issue in which case, eeer

[native sage]

Okay, thanks!

[tidal musk]

Greetings electroniccat,
did I understand correctly that you are the only one who maintains Waterfall and you have less and less time for it?

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, yes

[wraith talon]

looks like bungee fixed the issue: https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/commit/0509303fd37c2b236c8a3b5f5cea85cada937ad2

[winged pilot]

hell yea

[tropic atlas]

Epic

Also thank you, electronicboy

[winged pilot]

^

ty for updating upstream so quick

[wraith talon]

seems still not fixed for me. just updated and still getting kicked:

Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: java.io.IOException: Packet 0/0 (PacketPlayInTeleportAccept) was larger than I expected, found 34 bytes extra whilst reading packet 0

[old oyster]

Having the same issue

[agile lotus]

Wtf is this

Waterfall 537

Player version 1.20.2

[agile lotus]

Do you have a fix for this ?

Last waterfall fix this ?

[old oyster]

Update your waterfall

[agile lotus]

Okey I take the last version

Are you sure ?

[old oyster]

Yes

[acoustic jetty]

So how to I upgrade Java version I am using falixnode

[gaunt fjord]

I recommend contacting your hosts support as it may not be something you can control

[acoustic jetty]

So it means I may not be able to use it?

[gaunt fjord]

It all depends on what your host supports

[crimson cosmos]

Can you share the entire error tho

include what comes afterwards

just to make sure this was actually the case 😅

[gaunt fjord]

gonna be real awkward if it's too new of a java version 😂

[flint junco]

plugin login

were you able to solve it using the latest version of waterfall?

[agile lotus]

I test this tomorrow i can't restart my server now too much player

[flint junco]

I'm in the same situation, but even so, if I can help you with anything, you can count on me

[winged pilot]

i noticed the error happens way more if you're using a citizens npc to switch

[slim beacon]

does the latest version of waterfall fix this issue with 1.20.2

please ping me if anyone has an answer.

[radiant falcon]

not yet and that issue is also being discuss on the Bungeecord github

[slim beacon]

okay so ill pause on an update and a reboot then

thank you

[radiant falcon]

1.20.1 clients can join fine on the latest btw. I have set up a message telling players to stay on 1.20.1 until a fix is found

[ivory egret]

How do I add a forge server to the network

I tried to just add it like normal but I get an error

[junior holly]

How can I fix it ?

Mine is bungee

[reef fulcrum]

1ac is generally a kick packet which would often be as bungee breaks the vanilla protocol spec, so you'd need a mod on the proxy to support that

and proxy support & forge is generally a heavy level of "glhf"

[junior holly]

What mod I need ?

[reef fulcrum]

back in the day you'd use sponge

[junior holly]

This one ?

[reef fulcrum]

yes

[junior holly]

Okay

Thanks

Let me try to fix it

[wraith talon]

can we get another upstream update ? https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/commit/497c6879e05d168102b3331e55c53ccfd9fef541

[uncut steeple]

+1 for this since 1.20.2 basically is still broken without it ^^
cc: electroniccat

[reef fulcrum]

urgh

well, tehres a patch conflict, and I cant deal with it atm

[reef fulcrum]

merged a pr, and i'm disappearing as my heads spinning

[wraith talon]

is anyone else still having issues?

i'm still getting the same error lol

[winged pilot]

actually?

i dont wanna waste a reboot if it's literally still not working

[wraith talon]

yeah it's still not working for me

md5 does not seem interested in fixing it from the bungee side lol https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/issues/3519#issuecomment-1732435102

[winged pilot]

classic

[slim beacon]

^ still nothing on this error? 1.20.2 can’t join. Viaversion on proxy is ass 😂 trying to avoid that.

[leaden stone]

Waterfall 1.20.2 good yet?

[winged pilot]

no

and no

[leaden stone]

word up

[winged pilot]

sucks im waiting on it too

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, all that error shows is that some packet is being decoded wrongly or something

potentially a plugin sending something in the wrong phase

[wispy geode]

I stuck on joining world

On waterfall proxy

I successfully setup 3 servers

Then this comes

[modest berry]

are there any good methods (similar to spark for spigot based servers) to analyze performance and load on waterfall servers? or any resources on improving waterfall(/bungeecord-based server) performance?

[twin solstice]

spark exists on waterfall too

[modest berry]

damn alright, thanks

[slim beacon]

I mean if you add viaversion backend it fixes that error? so its gotta be waterfall with 1.20.2? and its random some players have it and some dont.

[tidal musk]

I'd like to ask, why am I getting this error. I set everything up corrent? Where can I see whats wrong?

09:48:15 [INFO] [TailiMTO] disconnected with: §cCould not connect to a default or fallback server. Incorrectly configured address/port/firewall? io.netty.channel.ConnectTimeoutException

Im using BungeeCord. Trying to set it up.

Trying to follow this - https://pterodactyl.io/community/games/minecraft.html#network-configuration
but dont know what the ''Firewalls'' are and where and how to set them up.

[reef fulcrum]

Are you using a hosting provider?

If so, speak to them for support

[leaden stone]

Waterfall 1.20.2 good yet?

[slim beacon]

No look up there is one major issue so far.

You can bypass it by installing viaversion on your proxy

[leaden stone]

Is that what you did to bypass it. Also if I installed ViaVersion on the proxy then I should take ViaVersion off the sub-servers, right?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, kinda looks like it's potentially a plugin compat issue over these changes and the general lack of release cadance for anything spigot making it impossible for devs to get ahead of the game

yes, you should only have via on one of the levels

[leaden stone]

Also do you face issues with having ViaVersion on the proxy

[leaden stone]

Right right. I remember being advised that it’s better to have Via on the subservers instead of the proxy

[reef fulcrum]

depends on the versions you care to support

just via practically doesn't matter

[leaden stone]

What do you mean by this

[reef fulcrum]

ViaVersion does small incremental stuff

[slim beacon]

Yes I do. I do not recommend it what so ever. I used to have it.

[leaden stone]

1.18-1.20.2

[reef fulcrum]

it's only when you get to shit like block connections does it become a sizable deal

[slim beacon]

Once I started hitting 50+ I started noticing a bunch of issues. From block lag to much more.

Viaversion on each backend server is the best way to go.

Especially if you use an anti cheat.

[leaden stone]

Ok then

[reef fulcrum]

Basically, on the backends means that it has access to all the stuff it needs to care about, i.e. the world

[slim beacon]

That’s from experience btw

Yap ^

[reef fulcrum]

on the proxy means that you avoid some level of proxy fuckery for 1.20.2

[leaden stone]

What anticheat you use btw. And does it take up much performance?

[reef fulcrum]

for 1.20.1 > .2, it being on the proxy is practically nothing

[slim beacon]

None right now

They are all fucked have had 0 luck with anti cheats.

Most of them bypass bedrock checks anyways and just fucks your server performance.

[leaden stone]

same

[slim beacon]

I got a developer working on a custom one but it’s costing me an arm and a leg.

I still have plugins that limit packets tho. Anyways let’s hope off this isn’t the chat for convo sorry lolz

[leaden stone]

So are you just not letting bedrockers and 1.20.2 clients online for the time being or have you installed Via on the proxy

[slim beacon]

Bedrock and Java are 2 different things.

I have a proxied geyser and that’s up to date. So all bedrock users can connect.

Java wise 1.20.2 can not connect at the moment. Well some can and some can’t. Am I losing a fuck ton of money due to ads yes yes I am. But whatever lol.

[spare oar]

Hey, I'm getting this error on my server and I'm not quite sure what the issue is. Does anyone have any idea?

[reef fulcrum]

that's generally down to mods or something screwing stuff up

[spare oar]

It seems to just be players on Feather Client

[reef fulcrum]

which is a mod

[spare oar]

Yeah I know

Would there be a way to fix it?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, it's likely an issue with the client

if that's the case, only fix is for them to fix it

[open valve]

same problem, waterfall have a problem, with feather or without feather. i deleted all the plugin i installed and have the same error.

[reef fulcrum]

Waterfall doesn’t even touch that, so idk what to tell you

[open valve]

so, the problem is on bungeecord.
i see a lots of reports about that. i am not alone with that problem.

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, i've yet to see that issue inside of a vanilla setup, but idk

if it's a bungee issue you'll have to wait on them to fix it

[open valve]

by the way so that i ping you i forgot to turn that off.

[covert portal]

BungeeTabListPlus needs to be updated to use the new Bungee API and actually do stuff correctly.

[runic fractal]

bungeeTabListPlus works on 1.20.2

[reef fulcrum]

I mean

[covert portal]

Nope. Like, it does load...

[reef fulcrum]

that's a packet from BTLP

[covert portal]

But sends invalid packets.

Which 1.20.2 clients don't like.

[reef fulcrum]

and likely down to the 200 other similar issues reported against bungee due to their handling of the new configuration phase stuff

[covert portal]

So does F3Name.

I think like 4 out of the 9 Bungee plugins that we have, are broken due to that.

[reef fulcrum]

Thank god md releases stuff in a timely manner so that devs can actually look into this stuff

[covert portal]

Yes.

[tidal musk]

Someone help me please, I don't understand why this happens to me, I think I have everything configured correctly 😦

[slim beacon]

It says can not connect to default server. Meaning your hub is not connected right to bungee.

[tidal musk]

In the bungeecord config the hub is set as a server and in the hub the bungeecord is configured in spigot.yml

[slim beacon]

set server to offline mode, get bungee guard, make sure the bungee config has ip address of hub with port.

thats really it.

priorities:

• hub

or lobby whatever you have your server name for hub.

hub:
address:1.123.333.64:24658
motd: '&1Just another BungeeCord - Forced Host'
restricted: false

[tidal musk]

So I have everything and nothing 😦 if you want I will send you the files privately

[slim beacon]

Are the ports opened?

[tidal musk]

Yes, without bungee it allows me to access

[leaden stone]

Waterfall 1.20.2 good yet?

[winged pilot]

i dont think so

because of a lot of plugins causing errors

[spare walrus]

Yeah, still some issues. Our bungee plugin uses the api, and does only the smallest amount of things - still has the issues.
My struggle is that I can't reproduce the issue on my local PC due to low latency + good PC specs. But in production - just can't.

Struggle being with 1.20.1 clients - haven't even got as far as to test 1.20.2 clients with ViaVersion. idk. Short on time to investigate it too much currently.

[tired shuttle]

I get this error when I try to join my lobby server I use waterfall and 2 purpur server

[winged pilot]

which build?

[tired shuttle]

waterfall-1.20-540.jar

I think the issue with the packets

[reef fulcrum]

have you tested without plugins?

[tired shuttle]

Yeah I tested without plugins

I tested with the normal MC launcher and Feather

[reef fulcrum]

so, 0 plugins on the proxy?

[tired shuttle]

Yeah

Only in the proxy had plugins Luckperms and Viaversion

[reef fulcrum]

wat

[tired shuttle]

?

[reef fulcrum]

I said test without plugins

and now you're telling me plugins on your proxy

[tired shuttle]

ok

yeah

ok I test without plugins

[reef fulcrum]

i'm out

[winged pilot]

you shouldn't have via on it anyway

put it on your backends

[tired shuttle]

ok

now it works XD

thx

for the help

[craggy trout]

Dont use víaversion on proxy

[tired shuttle]

ok

[exotic crypt]

a plugin which tp's a player between servers?

[nimble ember]

/server [server]

[true nymph]

Greetings! How to enable ip forwarding on a Fabric server? The login plugin requests this function. Perhaps you should write a question to the fabricy.

[reef fulcrum]

you'd need to find a mod which supports that

i'm not aware of one which supports bungees forwarding thing, however

[true nymph]

That is the problem. only available on velocity.

[reef fulcrum]

nothing we can do

[true nymph]

I found some mod, but it hasn't been updated for 3 years

[exotic crypt]

for like staff related

if a player isnt blatantly hacking but does flag sometimes

and needs a check up

[nimble ember]

/send <player> <server>

[winged pilot]

test without plugins

[craggy trout]

Do you use ViaVersion on the proxy?

[uncut steeple]

Any updates on when next upstream update will happen? Bungee put out a new fix for 1.20.2:
https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/commit/3cb7a12738bcfc1b2b071634f2d10950f8d3c9e8

[velvet hedge]

was just an update from upstream 12m ago, that's probably it

[bitter lark]

it was

then again the also added more debug info so I'm guessing it's sorta #blind commit, time will tell if it's fixed but waterfall was already updated... https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/commit/8d41d21148c7b77463a576e80174123168c50157

[open valve]

someone know about f3name plugin that support to 1.20.2 for waterfall?

[leaden stone]

1.20.2 waterfall good yet?

[reef fulcrum]

See the bungee issue tracker

[marble kelp]

depends on the plugins you use really

[slim beacon]

Yes it’s fixed.

[spare walrus]

Other than restart time, the nice thing about whether your proxy is "good", is that you should be able to try it, and reverting is just putting back the old jar.

Last night when I tried, we still had issues. But I just need time to dig into it. Admittedly, I am trying to avoid spam rebooting.

[flint junco]

waterfall #542

is there a solution to this?

[reef fulcrum]

I mean, that's hardly enough info

but, given the state of upstream, my hardware/health, theres a level of "glhf"

[craggy trout]

Are you using plugins?

It's not likely bungeecord config state fails like that

[flint junco]

yes, I updated from 1.20.1 to 1.20.2 and this happened

[marble kelp]

is that "yes" regarding plugins? if so test without them

[grim cloud]

Would this imply the issue is in a plugin, rather than BungeeCord or ViaVersion anymore? 1.20.2 clients are unable to join, but other supported clients are

I would assume this could be caused by TAB plugin, as it is listing what is shown on it.. yet TAB plugin is waiting for BungeeCord to fix something, it has been quite a mess

[agile lotus]

When my player connect on 1.20.2 in my server this message spam the tchat

[spice dock]

@exotic crypt yo u here too?

[exotic crypt]

yes and dont ping me

[spare walrus]

I will say, that the latest BungeeCord fixes the issue I was having. (So next Waterfall update will have that fix)

I never had really touched our Bungeecord plugin. But was when I discovered we did non-api things. oops

[agile lotus]

It's for me ?

[spare walrus]

I had a different issue than you. So idk

[dusk wyvern]

Hello, i have little problem, i just updated the waterfall, and got couple of errors, this is one of him, any fix?

[reef fulcrum]

congrats, you have malware

[dusk wyvern]

huh?

[winged pilot]

a plugin you downloaded had malware in it

[reef fulcrum]

and that infected likely every other jar file it could find

[dusk wyvern]

Oh, and where should i download the good one without malware?

[winged pilot]

we have no idea which plugin it was

[dusk wyvern]

wdym you have no idea, i have backups for that, so im good

[reef fulcrum]

We're not magicians

We do not know what plugin you downloaded from somewhere on the internet and shoved into the plugins folder

[dusk wyvern]

But like what is the malware in here, its like i have something cracked on the server, or i dont get it.. im not so skilled in this business

[reef fulcrum]

You have a virus

that virus is trying to talk to some server

if you downloaded cracked plugins, it's probably one of those

either way, you need to delete every single jar from your thing

[dusk wyvern]

It's just that I don't have anything like that (atleast i think)

[reef fulcrum]

Once again, idk what you downloaded, but you have a pretty common malware on that server

[dusk wyvern]

well, okay, thanks

[calm trellis]

help, i open the server on minecraft waterfall give me this error

[manic ice]

are you using 1.20.2 i think you need to use 1.20.1

[calm trellis]

nope i'm using the 1.20.1

[bitter lark]

yas! waterfail got updated 😳

[manic ice]

sorry im best asking here not in paper help. so i dont much care about 1.20.2 rn but just wondering what is the last waterfall stable build that can be recommended on a production server & does it support 1.20**.1** servers?

or is 1.20 as a whole just not ready for waterfall yet

[winged pilot]

build #536

that's the last one that only supports 1.20.1

anything after that is still shaky

[manic ice]

by only supports 1.20.1 does that mean it will only support 1.20.1 servers or i can still have my 1.19 servers on this build aswell? 🙂

[winged pilot]

Yes you can it supports 1.8 through 1.20.1

[manic ice]

thank you i will try this now (this build ok for production server)?

[winged pilot]

yes it's the most production ready build

[manic ice]

epic thank you just installed it and seems to work 🙂

[upper badger]

Any fix for this?

[winged pilot]

find out which plugin it is

[lilac hare]

Hey, when i start my waterfall i have this error :

[reef fulcrum]

bad config

[lilac hare]

When I restart the server, something automatically adds this syntax in front of the servers

[reef fulcrum]

[lilac hare]

?

[reef fulcrum]

Waterfall literally has 0 logic to mangle a config file like that

if your file is mangled like that, probs want to speak to your host

oh, I bet waterfall itself is pissed off about the fact that you have the quert port quoted

as for that thing at the top, no idea

[lilac sparrow]

Cannot invoke "net.md_5.bungee.protocol.MinecraftEncoder.getProtocol()" because the return value of "io.netty.channel.ChannelPipeline.get(java.lang.Class)" is null

Happening on first server swap

[craggy trout]

Probably some plugin

[lilac sparrow]

I have tested using 2 different plugins for transfering, asCMD and Citizens

Do you mean a waterfall plugin?

[craggy trout]

Yes

[lilac sparrow]

https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/issues/3519

So it happens when a plugin sends a message

[craggy trout]

https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/commit/0509303fd37c2b236c8a3b5f5cea85cada937ad2

[radiant falcon]

BTLPlus now has a fix and works fine with Waterfall 1.20.2

[craggy trout]

Most of errors now comes from plugins

[radiant falcon]

yeh indeed they do

[lilac sparrow]

What's btl plus?

[radiant falcon]

BungeeTabListPlus

[calm trellis]

hi, how i can resolve this?

[lilac sparrow]

Fixed by updating to the latest waterfall for me 😄

[calm trellis]

i update waterfall and now:

[lilac sparrow]

FallbackServer has this functionality

But only through a /lobby command

[royal plover]

What settings do i need to do for the Player count to work across all servers?

Currently only works in the hub, nothing past that.

[reef fulcrum]

don't use ping passthrough

[royal plover]

So it will collect all people connected?

[reef fulcrum]

the proxy will respond to the ping instgead of the server, and so the proxy can provide info, i.e. the player count

[royal plover]

i have been reading to use it...

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[serene shadow]

I have the following problem when I try to connect to a hybrid from the lobby, the connection immediately breaks off, which is why the error occurs

[19:22:44] [Render thread/WARN]: Unknown custom packet identifier: btm:backtobungee
[19:22:44] [Render thread/ERROR]: Error executing task on Client
java.lang.IllegalStateException: Invalid entity data item type for field 17 on entity LocalPlayer['XXXXJOJOXXXX'/419, l='ClientLevel', x=1.45, y=52.00, z=0.43]: old=0(class java.lang.Integer), new=127(class java.lang.Byte)
...
[19:23:09] [Render thread/ERROR]: Error executing task on Client
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Duplicate handler name: forge:vanilla_filter
...

[reef fulcrum]

modern forge and proxies are generally broken due to the lack of ability to talk early on

best option atm is basically velocity + the ambassador plugin

[serene shadow]

thx

Do I then need an additional plug-in with which I can connect Forge Client 1.20.1 to a neutral lobby without mods?

[reef fulcrum]

not aware of there being such a thing, you can't really do that

[serene shadow]

?

[reef fulcrum]

1. idk if ambassador works to forcefully handshake with forge clients if the lobby server is "vanilla"

2. handshaking with forge is like, 10% of the battle, the client expects that it gets the correct set of info from the backend server for the mods it has, i.e. all the registries, etc

[serene shadow]

I can't find a discord link for velocity on the website

[reef fulcrum]

It's this discord

See the roles and channels button at the top of the channel list if you can't see it

[serene shadow]

Thank you for your help, I completely overlooked it

[spice dock]

water fall is better than bungee

[craggy trout]

Should be, better forge support, higher performance and stability

[cerulean bison]

can waterfall 1.20 let s people join with minecraft version 1.20.2?

Or do I need other waterfall version?

[young arrow]

Why not just test it? it takes 5 minutes

[craggy trout]

Yes, waterfall is a multi-protocol proxy for minecraft, it accepts connection from 1.8 to 1.20.2

But you must install on your backend viaversion and addons for supporting other versions

[white moth]

hello

what can be the cause of high package size?

[cerulean bison]

backend means bungee?

[young arrow]

Waterfall is a Bungeecord fork iirc

[cerulean bison]

what fork iirc means

[craggy trout]

I mean your paper server

[cerulean bison]

Its not working to accept 1.20.2 only 1.20.1, maybe I did something wrong

I have the newest via version put on Lobby and Bungee, I tried by removing it from loby and keeping only on bunge

[delicate phoenix]

Make sure that you are up to date, or install Via on the proxy, and run a 1.20.2 backend serbur.

When you try to connect with 1.20.2, what does it say?

[cerulean bison]

I have Waterfall 1.20 544

[delicate phoenix]

And please note that 1.20.2 is pretty experimental at the moment; Waiting for a stable release and proxy support might be a good idea. :p

[marble kelp]

make sure you don't have plugins installed

[cerulean bison]

installed where?

[cerulean bison]

The thing is I have to make it work for 1.20.2 to get as well on bedrock the newest version for players xd

[daring stirrup]

I have the same issue, except on Velocity lol

so I decided to not give Bedrock support 🥲

[delicate phoenix]

Hm, I see. Installing the newest Via to the proxy, and the backend(s) should solve that issue, and then you can update when stuff is stable.

[cerulean bison]

its still the same

but I put only on proxy and lobby

[delicate phoenix]

Does it still happen on a clean waterfall + via / paper + via install? As phoenix pointed it out, it could be other plugins messing with the "connection".

[daring stirrup]

Well based on the kick message even I might say its a plugin mess

but not sure

[cerulean bison]

I have few plugins but I can try

[marble kelp]

I have no issue with latest waterfall + viaversion on 1.20.1 backends

(well none that aren't plugin-related but not such disconnects that you show)

[cerulean bison]

and you can connect with 1.20.2?

[daring stirrup]

wait how did phoenix turn into a bot? 0.0

[marble kelp]

<@leaden coral074308343436419094> of course, that's what I meant

otherweise why install viaversion? xD

[cerulean bison]

I have few plugins on the proxy: SafeNet, SkinsRestorer, some AntiVPN, EnhacedBungeeCord, Floodate + Geyser, CustomPayloadFixer, AdvancedNMOTD, ultimateantibot-bungeecord, votifier

[marble kelp]

[delicate phoenix]

Could be any of them, but offline mode isn't supported here.

[daring stirrup]

I know like 4 plugins out of these xd

[marble kelp]

start by following Discord ToS and server rules

[daring stirrup]

Determining by having SR installed? 💀

Seriously?

[marble kelp]

and I would imagine that allowing all the piracy-related plugins already fixes your issue lmao

AntiVPN and antibot are also clear tells

none of that is necessary on online-mode

[daring stirrup]

What even is the point of an AntiVPN?

[marble kelp]

preventing people that are IP-banned from joining via a VPN

[daring stirrup]

No sense because most professional VPNs can bypass 'em.

just ban 'em again

[cerulean bison]

or rooter 1 button restart

[daring stirrup]

yep

[marble kelp]

don't tell that to the people with the sunken cost fallacy after they bought some anti vpn plugin

[daring stirrup]

They are just stupid enough to buy a "premium" resource to bypass some skiddos who can easily bypass them 0.0

[marble kelp]

remove the plugin that is sending invalid packets

[manic ice]

Hi just wondering which channel will be posted in when theres a more stable waterfall version that supports 1.20.2 (and latest version of viaversion)

[reef fulcrum]

Waterfall doesn't exactly have a stable marker given we track bungee cord and I no longer care to work on the thing much

[manic ice]

oh ok, does general bungeecord support 1.19-1.20.2 + latest viaversion? if so would it be recommended i switch back to general bungee?

[manic ice]

i did try latest bungee version but it seems that only allows 1.20.2 players to join the server (any other version like 1.20.1, 1.19.x etc you get this kick message)

fixed it by putting via plugins on backend servers not the proxy 🙂

[teal jetty]

[22:13:54 WARN] [Geyser-BungeeCord]: Downstream packet error! Invalid packet id: 104

i need help with that error

The geyser is configured correctly but it gives me that error and I use waterfall 1.20 since the geyser plugin folder is not generated in bungeecord

[winged pilot]

ask geyser?

[teal jetty]

yes i ask

but they don't know anything and I think it could come from the waterfall

[teal jetty]

They tell me what this problem is

Your server is running inside a docker container, please make sure the Geyser port (using UDP) is exported out to the host. If you're using Pterodactyl panel then you need to make sure you have allocated the port to the server.

but no one has the answer

[dire plank]

Are you hosting it in a docker? If you don’t know, you are probbably using a server host side. Contact their support.

[tulip surge]

message.txt by @dense warren: https://pastes.dev/UzOsal1KxA

[dense warren]

https://pastes.dev/bc2i2Gd0GP

[teal jetty]

What does docker mean?

[delicate phoenix]

Report this issue to codecrafter47.bungeetablistplus.

[nimble ember]

If you don’t know, you are probbably using a server host side. Contact their support.

[dusky prairie]

Hey, how can I figure out whether someone's using the latest version of e.g. waterfall?
On bungee the commit number is usually included in the server version, but no idea how it works with waterfall

e.g. I see git:Waterfall-Bootstrap:1.20-R0.2-SNAPSHOT:4d5746a:544 in a Geyser dump, which I'd assume would work to compare it to master via GH (https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/compare/master..4d5746a), but that doesn't work - any idea what would?

[obsidian steeple]

heyo is the latest waterfall version compatible with paper 1.20.2?

[dusky prairie]

yea should be supported

albeit 1.20.2 is quite... buggy atm for most proxies

[craggy trout]

Not anymore, for now mostly plugins break proxy

[teal jetty]

[22:13:54 WARN] [Geyser-BungeeCord]: Downstream packet error! Invalid packet id: 104
i need help with that error
The geyser is configured correctly but it gives me that error and I use waterfall 1.20 since the geyser plugin folder is not generated in bungeecord

[dusky prairie]

You're using an outdated Waterfall version that doesn't have support for 1.20.2 if you're getting that error.. also please, stop reposting your issue, both here and in the Geyser discord. Bumping it a thousand times won't help anyone

[craggy trout]

You need to download latest Waterfall proxy

[teal jetty]

it is already downloaded

[craggy trout]

No

You're downloading from a outdated egg or something

Please, download it from Waterfall page

[opal sigil]

Hello hi i need help with connecting issue or firewall issue im using a host and everything is on the same node i get this issue when i try to join my proxy

Do i need proxy to be on another node or is there a work around or a fix

[ornate dune]

waterfall not starting

[empty spear]

Does the latest version of Waterfall work for 1.20.2?

[twin solstice]

exact same issue as i have mentioned before with velocity

set the port properly in your configuration file

[opal sigil]

I think so cause i heard its 1.20×

[opal sigil]

Hey can you also help me pls

[dusky prairie]

yea

[tight silo]

so basically I'm kind of annoyed by the default config.yml values
disabled_commands, forced_hosts, etc.
removing these fields entirely does nothing, leaving them empty does nothing, setting them to null does nothing
they keep resetting to default
and I don't want md_5 to be admin

also tried setting them to []

also resets to default

[tight silo]

this channel is dead bruh

[twin solstice]

correct, waterfall is practically dead

[reef fulcrum]

{} for an empty map

[tight silo]

seriously

k, thx

[tight silo]

why btw

velocity supports waterfall plugins?

oh well

good that I saw it rn

because I'm currently remaking my servers from scratch

so I will use velocity ig

[reef fulcrum]

velocity doesn't support waterfall plugins, but, generally, I'm done maintaining waterfall

velocity needs a bit more love right now, so there is no ideal situation, but bungee is kinda broken af right now too

[tidal musk]

snap ✅

[craggy trout]

Seems BungeeCord now is stable

[reef fulcrum]

was getting errors from it last night

[onyx carbon]

Hey, currently it sometimes happens that players cannot join a single subserver because they are kicked due to the message "That the game mode has been shut down".

But the mode is online, there are already players on it.

connection-throttle of the sub-server is set to -1

after an undefinied amount of time players can join the subserver again

(other subservers working fine)

[noble ingot]

What Waterfall Version are you using?
Since when does it happen?
Are there any errors in the logs?
Also, what is the difference between the subservers?

[onyx carbon]

this is the current waterfall version

there arent any errors, only the message that the players disconnects cause the subserver is down

there arent any big differences, other port, other amount of ram, but not many others

some plugins are different, but i didnt has any bungee related plugins on subservers.

happens since some weeks, for 5-6 minutes, sometimes longer.
using first bungee, hopped that an switch to waterfall will help

[noble ingot]

537? It isn't a current build ...

[onyx carbon]

updatet them the last time, since that, cause we didnt use 1.20.2, not again

[noble ingot]

Can you update it to the latest version?
Also is something like that in the log:
[19:33:24 WARN]: Error occurred processing connection for byquanton AnnotatedConnectException : finishConnect(..) failed: Connection refused: localhost/127.0.0.1:25565?

[onyx carbon]

jea, will update, but not, there isnt any error like this

[marble crater]

Could someone help this happens when I run /server and switch servers

[reef fulcrum]

We don't support protocol hacks

and you'd generally wanna see the logs, reproduce without plugins, etc

[marble crater]

What you mean protocol hacks

I just need help I don’t know what happening

[tough vale]

That's a bedrock screenshot, waterfall doesn't support bedrock so if you're connecting to waterfall via bedrock, that means a protocol hack i.e. Geyser is involved

[craggy trout]

I think it's likely a plugin issue

[marble crater]

So I can’t use geyser for it

[craggy trout]

You can

[marble crater]

Well then why does that happen

[reef fulcrum]

Something mangled a packet

That's all we know

[marble crater]

You don’t know how I can fix it?

[reef fulcrum]

Reproduce without plugins

make sure that everything is updated

[vocal perch]

Having some issues with waterfall sending a player from a paper server 1.20.2 to paper 1.18.2 using waterfall 1.20, is there any settings that have to be set to have it send to an older version? i have viaversion on the older server and the newer server and not the proxy installed but its not even seeing the connection on the older server

[buoyant spindle]

Hello! One player can't join to my server and this is the error when he trying join. What's wrong?

[winged pilot]

mods?

[buoyant spindle]

The reason was he trying to join from 1.20.2 but we are at 1.20.1

[craggy trout]

Yes, check the login request data seems wrong

[craggy trout]

Waterfall supports all protocols, must be a issue on your backend

[vocal perch]

I figured as much, thinking it's a firewall issue, thank you

[craggy trout]

How about this PR https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/pull/799

Makes sense, also ViaVersion is already broke on bungeecord

[reef fulcrum]

already broke?

I mean, my care for waterfall atm is pretty like, 0

so, idk if I care to lok at such stuff

[craggy trout]

You can't use viaversion on Waterfall

[reef fulcrum]

that's a new one to me

[craggy trout]

BungeeCord broke it on 1.19 i think

I honestly don't see the logic of using it in Waterfall, the main utility of the plugin is to support all protocols, something that already exists. We could skip the copy if the retwrite entity is not enabled as the PR does

[reef fulcrum]

I have no idea what you're going on about of it not working on bungee