hangar-contrib

[lofty comet]

Although I clicked some and they were working for me...

[knotty verge]

Did you click on the downloads?

For some of them specific platforms work and others don’t

[jovial lintel]

thats really strange

hehe I can see you trying to fetch them in my logs but nothing else

(looking at the first one rn)

stuff should be in a transaction, mmh

[jovial lintel]

interestingly we have a health report that covers this

its just disabled 😄

issue is that its really slow to do, maybe I can make it async somehow

like I could trigger a new report, get an id, run the queries in background and have the frontend poll for the id

altho that gets funny since we have many instances

sounds like a for tomorrow problem

oh, well, no, not tomorrow 😂

[jovial lintel]

https://i.imgur.com/ORJBPkc.gif

yey

(this uses a thread.sleep, lol)

but on prod its slow

[lofty comet]

what exactly are stale projects?

[jovial lintel]

stuff that hasnt been updated in a while

[lofty comet]

how is that determined?

[jovial lintel]

wdym

like this, lol

[lofty comet]

I meant what interval you consider them stale

6 months?

[jovial lintel]

idk, doesnt matter

its sorted

default config is 28 it seems

all this was inherited from ore btw

[lofty comet]

28 months? damn

[jovial lintel]

days

[lofty comet]

oh

well that's kinda an useless amount lol

not every project needs to be updated every month lol

I'd only consider a project stale at 6-9 months

[jovial lintel]

Feels bad man

Idk what's up with that or how to even look into this

[lofty comet]

you know

these times are the times when I am happy I am just doing frontend stuff

xD

[jovial lintel]

Idk why my number is so much higher than Julian's but I guess he can't see deleted versions and that's a big part maybe?

[lofty comet]

By missing file does that mean a file was not provided or (I assume it's this) the file is corrupted or got somehow deleted?

[jovial lintel]

Idk

[lofty comet]

Oh...

yeah, good luck xD

🤞 for ya

[knotty verge]

That would also make sense if the files go missing some time after the version is published. I didn’t try downloading every version again

[outer kettle]

That looks more like a bad scan

not accounting for shared files across platforms

[jovial lintel]

oh, mhh

I didnt touch the scans, just actually made them work for once, lol

but ye, should have cross checked, was already on my couch yesterday

[jovial lintel]

Targeted ads are insane nowadays

[lofty comet]

Wtf 😂

Send me that, I need those tips

[jovial lintel]

Its just ai assistant shit

[lofty comet]

Oh okay yeah

No thanks indeed xd

[timid briar]

glad my advertisement profile is as clean as it can be
i even roll my advertisement id from time to time
i clear everything i can clear from those data hungry fckers and never traverse the internet without adblocker

if a site blocks adblockers (and succeeds unlike youtube) i am not using that site

[lofty comet]

Show me your ways

[jovial lintel]

Sir that is not an ads and i am subscribed to that youtube channel

[lofty comet]

Outplayed

So the YouTube channel knows about hangar uh

[jovial lintel]

I did a thing

idk why but I had that thought at like 3 am randomly this night and wrote it down, lol

any guesses for prod?

[mental fern]

Oh that's a nice idea

[lofty comet]

Sooo, it displays the file sizes of projects?

I am confused, what's the use case? or am I missing smt out?

[jovial lintel]

big number cool

[knotty verge]

that's total file size of the entire project, right? Largest individual versions would also be interesting

[lofty comet]

at that point you gotta add a bunch of graphs to make it even cooler

[jovial lintel]

its sum of jars, ye

ok first one is via, thats not surprising, but the rest is fun

you will receive my next b2 bill @outer kettle

oh I dont even display file count, but thats 701 for via, 332 for betterhud and 436 for better model.

via is highest file size count, but sayanvanish is close escond with 668

in total its 16127 files and 28.6gb

largest jars are solarsystem by onelitefeather at 10mb each, but others follow closely

[timid briar]

i was curious why that is and compiled it myself
there are soooo many redundant and even unused artifacts shaded into the plugin
i got the file size down to 8mb by simply not shading the examples
enabling shadow minimize got it down to 200kb but not sure if it still works like that
also the biggest part are just kotlin things at 11mb uncompressed

[jovial lintel]

heh

[nova vessel]

PaperMC could solve a lot of problems (and create a lot of new ones) by bundling a specific kotlin version with Paper!

[timid briar]

i am in favor of banning kotlin all together

would solve a lot more problems

[timid briar]

i would have expected my plugin with the most versions (91) very far up there but i just checked and there are only ~42MB of artifacts
(i take minimizing jar sizes very serious)
the very first 4 versions actually arent well optimized and have a total size of 6.3MB (i didnt exclude gson, jackson and auth0 jwt (no idea why that was even in there))
all versions after that are ~400kb each

[jovial lintel]

good boi

[knotty verge]

Ok, 10mb isn’t that large

[jovial lintel]

dont we limit to 15?

I think so

[knotty verge]

Ah

[lofty comet]

wish I could do this, sadly it doesn't help with kotlin, my plugin gets like 7mb from kotlin alone xD

[knotty verge]

For plugins that’s probably fine (looking at the 300MB pixelmon jars)

[timid briar]

stop using kotlin then?

[lofty comet]

why would I want to suffer?

[timid briar]

i once misconfigured a dependency and ended up with an 80mb jar 🙂

only noticed after trying to send the jar to a friend via discord and it didnt let me

[lofty comet]

I did think of using paper loaders for runtime dependency downloading but kotlin doesn't like being downloaded like that xD

(or is it kotlin-reflect? idk anymore)

either way, I never really saw the appeal to "very small sized plugins"

I prefer including everything needed in a plugin than having users download dependencies themselves. Hence why I shade PE

[timid briar]

the internet would be a better place if everyone started to overoptimize on everything
especially bundle sizes

[mental fern]

I basically always use the plugin loader for runtime dependency resolution

[lofty comet]

with kotlin?

[mental fern]

My jar sizes are always in the kilobytes

[mental fern]

You can do that yeah ofc

[lofty comet]

well hence my point

I was doing that a while ago

and ran into issues

[mental fern]

Write your loader in Java, make it load the kotlin stdlib, and it works

[lofty comet]

specially with both kotlin and PE which didn't like being ran like that

[lofty comet]

ik, that's what I used to do xD

[timid briar]

write your plugin in java
dont have to load kotlin
everything faster, smaller, better

[jovial lintel]

not having to ship resources is nice, ye 😄

[lofty comet]

or just bundle kotlin into paper

what could go wrong?

isn't mysql or smt already bundled for some reason?

why not bundle something people would actually use...

[timid briar]

jdbc is

[mental fern]

sqlite

[timid briar]

i am still in favor of bundling jdbc drivers into velocity

[lofty comet]

I have yet to see a person that uses the bundled sqlite or whatever

they all add their own

[mental fern]

I have used it plenty when I used to use sqlite

I just use h2 nowadays lol

[lofty comet]

gud

also isn't this whole conversation kinda offtopic

[mental fern]

But sqlite is bundled because of historical reasons

Bundling kotlin now would not be beneficial seeing as nothing in paper or minecraft uses kotlin

Just write a plugin which includes the stdlib and make your plugins depend on it

[timid briar]

i have a good plugin name for that

kotling language fabric paper

if a plugin would require me to put that on my server i would rewrite it in java 🙂

i actually go out of my way and avoid mods that require kotlin as it brings up startup times by an insane amount

[lofty comet]

does anything on paper use jdbc?

or sqlite?

[lofty comet]

that would mean people need to download an extra plugin for my plugin to work

[mental fern]

No, but iirc it was a bukkit/spigot decision to bundle sqlite, in order to simplify plugins doing database stuff

[lofty comet]

making it be "Plug, download dependency, plug and play"

[mental fern]

So not a Paper decision, they just kept it in to not break compat

[lofty comet]

why this forced kotlin hate? XD

[timid briar]

i dont hate kotlin as a language

i just avoid it at all costs

[lofty comet]

[timid briar]

on android it has its place now
but apart from that it is just annoying

[mental fern]

I don't really understand the kotlin push though, Paper and Minecraft both are written with Java, why would we go ahead and officially support a language which is not used here?

[lofty comet]

isn't paperweight in kotlin btw xD?

[mental fern]

That's like people asking for paperweight support on Maven, Paper tooling doesn't use it, so why would it be provided

[mental fern]

paperweight is tooling, nothing to do with the actual server

[lofty comet]

I guess I see your point, but on the other hand, why should people be limited by java just because paper is in java?

[hollow edge]

This isn't really on-topic for the channel anymore, could you move the conversation to #general

[timid briar]

#hangar-projects message
This looks like it breaks the rules
Made for offline servers

[past path]

also looks like a security nightmare!

[timid briar]

That sums up offline mode pretty good

[past path]

and that's why we have floodgate (and not... this)

[lofty comet]

many things do

[nova vessel]

Feel free to send them to me and I'll handle them, like I did with this one.

[lofty comet]

whenever I see one, I'll let ya know

[pallid tulip]

in your DMs or modmail?

[nova vessel]

Whichever makes you happier. If you're going to be dumping a pile I'm fine for my inbox to take the hit.

[jovial lintel]

Or you know, use the report function hangar has, lol

[nova vessel]

A report function?

https://tenor.com/phk2.gif

-# (yeah, could do that too)

[lofty comet]

overrated feature

should be removed

[lofty comet]

ew

bad guy

@mental fern one for ya

guess not anymore

[mental fern]

Sorry, I was in the theater

[lofty comet]

expected more from you ngl

[jovial lintel]

Just ping @ mods

[rapid jacinth]

as this was rather painful to research I suggest the following to potentially be put here: https://docs.papermc.io/misc/hangar-publishing/ (or somewhere else users can find it)...I don't know if these docs can be contributed to anywhere so feel free to guide me if thats the case

It is possible to automatically update the "Resource Page" (with the gradle plugin)
I quickly found out that the gradle part was to put this: pages.resourcePage(README) in

hangarPublish {
    publications.register("plugin") {
        //here
    }
}```
while defining `README` like this: `val README: String = project.file("README.md").readText(Charsets.UTF_8)`

but the detail that I couldn't find anywhere is that in the workflow you need to put in the `syncAllPagesToHangar` like this:
```      - name: Publish
        env:
          HANGAR_API_TOKEN: ${{ secrets.HANGAR_API_TOKEN }}
        run: ./gradlew build publishPluginPublicationToHangar syncAllPagesToHangar --stacktrace```

[outer kettle]

Oh sorry about that; you can contribute to docs via https://github.com/PaperMC/docs

[rapid jacinth]

okay I'll do that thx

[timid briar]

[this](#hangar-projects message) seems rather sketchy
i cant even open the jars

maybe a hangar mod wants to take a look at that

[mental fern]

That's very interesting indeed

It does seem like they tried to make some sort of plugin though

Seems to just be a broken jar though, I cannot exactly see anything malicious apart from that. I would still rid of it from Hangar, since it doesn't exactly seem to work

Oh it's a text file

I was overcomplicating it

That's... weird

[timid briar]

funny
probably broken publishing

[lofty comet]

Random as hell but is there a reason why Nuxt isn't being used as the backend? Was it due to hangar being originally a port of ORE? Familiarity with Java/Spring? Or was Nuxt simply not viable performance wise?

[jovial lintel]

Kenny would murder me

And I am not convinced typescript nicely scales to big apps organization wise

[fathom girder]

Every paper backend is using spring

At least the ones I know

Hangar, fill, javaduck

Proofreader

[lofty comet]

yeah that's fair tbh.

I am looking into possibly using ktor for a uni project of mine, not the biggest fan of spring personally, was just wondering about tech stack

[jovial lintel]

we love typescript, 85 type errors after dep updates 😄

I guess I should have read more of the vue router 5 migration page

[lofty comet]

Rookie mistake smh

/s

[jovial lintel]

It's most likely a bug in nuxt

[jovial lintel]

as expected, two weeks later just updating the deps fixed it

for some dum reason they still having fixed local builds on windows taking fucking ages

[jovial lintel]

fuck this i18n shit, I am ripping it out

how can such a simple thing as translating a few texts always cause so many issues

[lofty comet]

????

Context?

[pallid tulip]

anger

[mental fern]

Average "Discord didn't delete the messages"-moment

[jovial lintel]

Staging returns a blank page because i18n broke, again

It's at least the 4th time updating that shit breaks stuff and wastes hours of my time, I am done, I am creating my own

[lofty comet]

Most developer thing ever

"I don't like it, I will create my own"

Xd

Hey, have fun, tbf shouldn't be THAT hard

[jovial lintel]

No clue when I have time tho, this week is move week and I'll be without proper Internet for a bit ^^

Vue i18n is overly complicated for our use anyways, all the hooks into routing and storing language selection themselves and stuff

[fathom girder]

Sorting might be broken

Notice the sort by dropdown on the second image and the download count on the first

-# sorry if it’s already known I don’t really have time to double check

[lofty comet]

Hmmm

Interesting

[inner hull]

I had the same thing

[jovial lintel]

sad, updating shit didnt fix staging

guess ill really have to redo i18n

[jovial lintel]

ok fixed

for some reason text color is all messed up

[jovial lintel]

I finally have a chance to take a look

so think its not broken, it might be a "hey this is more relevant" kinda thing in meili?

lemme see if I can login in prod meili dashboard

hey @flat cape iirc you use meili too for stuff, did you utilize user defined sorting? did you tune the sort rules?

"rankingRules": [
        "words",
        "sort",
        "typo",
        "proximity",
        "attribute",
        "exactness",
        "stats.downloads:desc"
    ]

turns into

urg this is hard

[flat cape]

no idea anymore we very recently moved to typesense

[jovial lintel]

haha

I have been toying with that at work

whats your experience?

[flat cape]

ye i think we have tuned it

[jovial lintel]

oh thats smart

[flat cape]

it is certainly easier than elastic but i think deployment / operation is questionable

better than meili at load though

gave us a way better algo than meili

[jovial lintel]

mmmh

I think ill try that double index thing first, moving search engine sounds like work

[flat cape]

yeah not worth switching at hangar's phase

meili worked fine for us for years

[jovial lintel]

I find it funny that nobody complained till now that sorting is basically broken

tbh your hack also doesnt work, since it so heavily depriorizes your query. or maybe our searchable attributes need different order.
like if I put sort really high, any project that has "claim" on their project page gets put high because they have downloads, even tho project title or project description should count higher

meh this is a non trivial problem

I think Ill just try typesense on a copy of the prod data tomorrow to see if I like the results more, lol

[fathom girder]

realistically you only need plugins that are on the first page

[lofty comet]

this gonna sound stupid, but hear me out, use postgres search

[jovial lintel]

that was a mess too

[lofty comet]

really?

I'd assume at hangar' scale that the postgres search would work fine

From what I have seen it is faster than I intially thought

[jovial lintel]

meili is waaaayyy better at full text search, is typo resistance, has good metrics for relevancy etc

[lofty comet]

yeah fairs

tbh the only other ones I have heard of are typesense, apache solr, manticore search and zincsearch (which I have heard is ultra fast)

[jovial lintel]

solr is meh

we use yext at work which is just stupid expensive

[lofty comet]

never heard of

must be an enterprise thing

[jovial lintel]

I wasnt involved in the pitches

I wish I was

but I was busy with something else at the time

[lofty comet]

Also, FYI, for some reason when switching language in prod, it flickers and goes back to the old language. AKA doesn't change language.

[fathom girder]

i think mini disabled i18n

[lofty comet]

Well problem is I am stuck in Portuguese lol

Not that I dont understand it but just weird

[jovial lintel]

I didn't

[jovial lintel]

I'll take a look in a bit

[jovial lintel]

idk seems to work fine for me

can you check your browser console @lofty comet?

[outer kettle]

download numbers still broken

[jovial lintel]

ye will look at that, its on my list

[jovial lintel]

fun I dont remember how this works at all

mmmh, its not broken in itself

I clicked download, saw the track request, saw the entry in the individual page, saw it being processed into the day table and then saw the count updated in the frontend

so I think for some reason not enough track requests are being send

[jovial lintel]

ok seems like the track requests get a 403 response, fun

ah its not logged in users I think, urg

[fathom girder]

I’d just ask Claude at this point

don’t hit me with /gptcode pls

[jovial lintel]

its fixed ^^

[fathom girder]

Great 😄