folia-help

[viral coral]

donutsmp does it well but not seamlessly though

horizontaly scaling folia is the same as people have been doing with paper for years

there's always a border to transfer the user between servers

[timber igloo]

I mean like yeah, one could get rid of that, but the chances of a player accidentally stumbling upon them are somewhat low

happens sometimes, but isnt really something that degrades playing experience

making it completely seamless would be quite cool tho

[eager bluff]

i got curious myself and googled it.. i guess this is it https://old.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/1ky97nu/weird_border_i_found_on_donutsmp/

[umbral vault]

sharded world

i was thought about this too much lol

it should not possible with nfs

and they are alr using linear storage

maaybe they are using nosql like mongo for storaging the world

[umbral vault]

and afaik, pedro solved this with smooth teleport

i guess, i found how he managed to make this

@primal quail can u come dm?

[eager bluff]

what is smooth teleport?

[umbral vault]

afaik, If you are at the same coordinates when moving from one world to another, you can switch without seeing the world loading screen.

its like hack(?)

[eager bluff]

Oh skip the world switching, I have implemented that before

[umbral vault]

yep

[viral coral]

yeah that's a classic but still not seamless

[eager bluff]

How seamless do you want it?

[viral coral]

entities passing through, seeing players/entities and buildings on the other side, building against the border

bonuspoints if you figure out redstone cross border but i can ignore that

[umbral vault]

ur wanting too much

[viral coral]

i don't think those 3 are too unrealistic lol

[umbral vault]

:3

yeah its possible

but needs different thought

a different perspective

[viral coral]

yes and in the 10 years of doing minecraft i don't think i've seen any server pull off a near seamless sharding experience

donut i'd still have high hopes for because in the end they're probably the ones who can spend most of their time figuring this out

[umbral vault]

heavy i/o taks blocking the system

[viral coral]

add pvp to the list

[umbral vault]

anyone who had the knowledge about k3s, minIO and how minecraft determines the world chunks handle

can do this system

[viral coral]

kubernetes is not relevant here

[umbral vault]

for making the shards active if they going maintain

so crazy complex

[viral coral]

in the end donutsmp still runs off of a basic pterodactyl setup at 20k players

[umbral vault]

i guess in future only donut can achieve this, too much complicated and expensive

[viral coral]

the shards are merely just regions off of a larger map

[umbral vault]

yeah

this is not near to real shard system or we understanding wrong about sharding the world in minecraft terms

[viral coral]

it's still sharding

[umbral vault]

but different method

[viral coral]

just not the most efficient method no

but the easiest and most maintainable

[umbral vault]

ur saying what I think rn xd

this level of scale needs really too much reseources, money, time and teams

[viral coral]

which is exactly what donutsmp has

if someone is figuring it out it'll be them

[umbral vault]

Does it make sense, I think uh...

i mean, not everyone can access this tech

The only place that actually implements the smp definition is donut for now.

if someone can tweak or change the heavy i/o tasks from scratch and handling the world in nfs or different system, this dream can be real, my thoughts about this.

In short, everything has to be done completely from scratch.

[manic quarry]

it's not on a single server

it's split in a grid between multiple servers

[primal oyster]

I'm pretty sure he knows that

[warm rock]

if dev-imports is exclusively for libraries now, what is the process for patching an ignored file, specifically trying to patch Beardifier atm

[flat epoch]

when is folia going to be available for 1.21.7 or 1.21.8 (and especially with the Dialog API)?

[subtle wasp]

It's available, go ahead and build it.

[wet arch]

ver/1.21.8

y'know, the current default branch

[hushed hamlet]

Can Ryzen 7 5700X handle 400-500 players?

[dim merlin]

I highly doubt it

[umbral vault]

probably yes

[wraith geode]

Is folia good for a skyblock server setup where you have one world per Island?

[timber igloo]

Yes. Each world will be ticked independently. In theory it would be slightly more efficient to use 1 world and space islands apart far enough, but one world per player should work

[coral ember]

correct me if i'm wrong here, but iirc folia doesn't currently support loading/unloading worlds during runtime

[timber igloo]

Yes, this can only be done using data packs(?). https://canvasmc.io has a proper world loading / unloading api implemented, but you obviously won't be getting support for that here

[umbral vault]

you should not except for fork support in not related discord server. especially in papermc discord server 😄

[timber igloo]

yes, as i said in my original message. however i think its still fair to mention that this fork properly implements this API, for someone who very evidently wants to use it

[umbral vault]

yeah they implemented it at that api

[stark kiln]

https://i.lvkas.de/CuYU3/rEREnuNU81.png/raw

Hey, is there a reason why this code is running on bukkit and on folia it throws an IllegalArgumentException: Unsupported custom inventory size 43

[timber igloo]

when are you running this code? it should never be posisble to open an inventory of the size 43

[viral stone]

player invs are bigger now

need updated paper

[stark kiln]

What do you mean?

On the latest version?

[viral stone]

There was an issue in paper

folia is based over paper

the folia base needs updating

Make sure that you're using the latest build of whatever you're using

idk when exactly this was fixed or if folia has pulled in what into what branch

[stark kiln]

Ah alright, thank you. Do you have a link to the issue?

[viral stone]

Nope

[next crater]

how to set up folia launch flags so that the GC does not load the processor so much

Flags:

java -Xms80G -Xmx80G --add-modules=jdk.incubator.vector -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+UnlockDiagnosticVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=16M -XX:G1ReservePercent=15 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=6 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=40 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:+AlwaysActAsServerClassMachine -XX:+UseTransparentHugePages -XX:LargePageSizeInBytes=2M -XX:+UseLargePages -XX:ReservedCodeCacheSize=512M -XX:+SegmentedCodeCache -XX:+UseStringDeduplication -XX:+UseCriticalJavaThreadPriority -XX:AllocatePrefetchStyle=3 -XX:+UseAES -XX:+UseAESIntrinsics -XX:+UseFMA -XX:+UseLoopPredicate -XX:+OptimizeStringConcat -XX:+UseCompressedOops -XX:+UseInlineCaches -XX:+UseFastJNIAccessors -XX:+EliminateLocks -XX:+DoEscapeAnalysis -XX:+UseXmmI2F -XX:+UseXmmLoadAndClearUpper -XX:+UseXmmRegToRegMoveAll -XX:+UseFPUForSpilling -XX:+UseFastStosb -XX:+UseVectorCmov -XX:+UseNewLongLShift -XX:+EnableVectorSupport -XX:+AlignVector -XX:+UseCharacterCompareIntrinsics -XX:+UseVectorStubs -XX:UseAVX=3 -XX:UseSSE=4 -XX:+EnableJVMCIProduct -XX:+UseJVMCICompiler -XX:+EagerJVMCI -Dgraal.UsePriorityInlining=true -Dgraal.Vectorization=true -Dgraal.OptDuplication=true -Dgraal.VectorizeHashes=true -Dgraal.EnterprisePartialUnroll=true -Dgraal.VectorizeSIMD=true -Dgraal.CompilerConfiguration=enterprise -Djdk.nio.maxCachedBufferSize=524288 -Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs/ -Daikars.new.flags=true -jar {{SERVER_JARFILE}} --nogui

this is the picture with online ~ 70 players
and already globally there are TPS drops during cleaning

[paper siren]

adding as much as possible flags doesn't fix your problem. I'd recommend to get rid of almost all of them and just set Xms, Xmx, and use generational zgc

as an example, UseStringDeduplication will definitely add overhead to your garbage collector, so unless you see significant benefits there, don't use it

[timber igloo]

1. Use zgc
2. You have 80gb of ram. Are you sure that is required for your use case with 80 players? (e.g. I can run 120 on around 35gb)

[night minnow]

Hello,

Does anyone know how to resolve the following issue? I compiled the Folia .jar from https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/tree/ver/1.21.7, but when I run it, I get the following error:

Downloading mojang_1.21.7.jar
Applying patches
Starting org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main
Exception in thread "ServerMain" java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main
        at java.base/java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:445)
        at java.base/java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:593)
        at java.base/java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:526)
        at java.base/java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
        at java.base/java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:534)
        at java.base/java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:513)
        at io.papermc.paperclip.Paperclip.lambda$main$0(Paperclip.java:38)
        at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:1583)```

I would appreciate any assistance you can provide. Sorry if I am dumb

[next crater]

GraalVM + ZGC

java -Xms40G -Xmx40G --add-modules=jdk.incubator.vector -XX:+UseZGC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:ZAllocationSpikeTolerance=5 -XX:ZCollectionInterval=10 -XX:+UnlockDiagnosticVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+UseTransparentHugePages -XX:LargePageSizeInBytes=2M -XX:+UseLargePages -XX:+EnableJVMCIProduct -XX:+UseJVMCICompiler -XX:+EagerJVMCI -XX:+UseStringDeduplication -Dgraal.UsePriorityInlining=true -Dgraal.Vectorization=true -Dgraal.OptDuplication=true -Dgraal.VectorizeHashes=true -Dgraal.EnterprisePartialUnroll=true -Dgraal.VectorizeSIMD=true -Dgraal.CompilerConfiguration=enterprise -Djdk.nio.maxCachedBufferSize=524288 -Dusing.aikars.flags=https://mcflags.emc.gs/ -Daikars.new.flags=true -jar {{SERVER_JARFILE}} --nogui

I had experience with them, but the load is not much less, if I have incorrect ones, then where can I get stable ones?

[paper siren]

did you read what I wrote

I'd recommend to get rid of almost all of them and just set Xms, Xmx, and use generational zgc

[timber igloo]

What gradle task did you use for building? Which output jar did you use?

[next crater]

I realized that you don't need a lot of RAM
where to get normal zgc flags????

[paper siren]

-XX:+UseZGC -XX:+ZGenerational

[next crater]

java -Xms30G -Xmx30G -XX:+UseZGC -XX:+ZGenerational -jar {{SERVER_JARFILE}} --nogui

as far as I know it adjusts itself, but the previous server owner configured a bunch of things

[paper siren]

yeah that should be fine

[next crater]

Is it possible to set more maximum RAM in case of a sudden jump in players?

[paper siren]

a sudden jump in players won't necessarily require more memory, but you can set a soft heap size and increase the maximum

[night minnow]

I used the runPaperclip Gradle task to build the server

[next crater]

does graalvm give any gain?

[paper siren]

maybe, maybe not. But most likely not enough to be worth the potential problems

[timber igloo]

That's not the correct task, there should be a set of tasks under "bundling", iirc the name of the task is something like "create Paperclip Jar"

[umbral vault]

u should use generational zgc

[hexed ice]

they've already been recommended to use that by two other people

[umbral vault]

yeah i was late to say

[next crater]

java -Xms40G -Xmx40G
-XX:+UseZGC
-XX:+ZGenerational
-XX:+UseContainerSupport
-XX:ConcGCThreads=4
-XX:ParallelGCThreads=4
-XX:ZUncommitDelay=300
-XX:SoftMaxHeapSize=24G
-XX:+AlwaysPreTouch
-jar {{SERVER_JARFILE}} --nogui

Will this work as I intended?

the situation has become better, but I strive for more

[umbral vault]

what about -XX:+ZProActive

[next crater]

I haven't heard about this, I'll try it

[umbral vault]

nice

[umbral vault]

+ZProactive

its like this

[paper siren]

you don't need that

but setting Xms > SoftMaxHeapSize doesn't make much sense

and configuring concurrent/parallel threads neither

[next crater]

Got it, thanks
It's just that in my understanding, limiting the flows can save the situation with the load from the GC a little

java -Xms50G -Xmx50G
-XX:+UseZGC
-XX:+ZGenerational
-XX:+ZProActive
-XX:+AlwaysPreTouch
-XX:ZUncommitDelay=300
-XX:MaxMetaspaceSize=2G
-XX:MetaspaceSize=256M
-XX:+UseContainerSupport
-jar {{SERVER_JARFILE}} --nogui

This is the perfect option for 200+ players.

I just have doubts about
-XX:MaxMetaspaceSize=2G
-XX:MetaspaceSize=256M \

In the case of other servers where there are sometimes 300 and sometimes 50 players.

after all, there is a large amount of RAM and this did not interfere

I just want to be sure that there will be no crashes in case of shortage
for example during a peaceful raid when there are a lot of players

[livid crag]

Server will not crash with a properly setup flags. Player count does not matter

[faint crown]

but the folia docs page recommends configuring those?

[livid crag]

You missed the context on top and bottom of that page.

[paper siren]

there is a reason why there are 4 ?, and in contrast to some other GCs, ZGC dynamically creates and discards threads as needed to adapt to the load

[umbral vault]

netty io is important on high player amounts

[faint crown]

I saw that. But i still found it confusing to state you completely don't need to configure those threads.
However "ZGC dynamically creates and discards threads as needed to adapt to the load." seems to be a valid point. (Didn't know/thought about that. I was Just wondering... 😅)

[peak adder]

CPU AMD EPYC 7551 is good for Folia?

I found in shopping app only 70 usd

[umbral vault]

uh...

[peak adder]

I am choosing a cheap CPU, I am looking at other options, there are only 2xcpu

But I think Folia not fully support duel cpu

[umbral vault]

idk

[strong nimbus]

Low click speed

Clock

And is old

[umbral vault]

^

[peak adder]

I think the ridge can be tested with a higher core count.

At least it should be better E5-2699Av4

I found out that they cost the same.

[umbral vault]

💀

please dont use e5s

on folia

😭

[livid crag]

@peak adder you have been told many times for what type of cpu is good for folia. (I’ve checked your chat history)

If you do not have budget for a proper cpu (ryzen etc) you should stick with using Paper and get a shared plan with as much thread as possible.

[finite hinge]

I mean, EPYC 7551 would probably be fine for like skyblock or something

A setup where you can ensure each region only has a couple players in it

Each region is like its own Paper server and is limited by how fast a single core on your CPU is so however many players you could fit on a Paper server on that hardware is your limit for a Folia region

For that hardware I would assume if you have more than 5-10 players in a region and/or if they're doing expensive farms you'll have problems

[prime juniper]

how do i handle permissions in folia?

[livid crag]

Luckperm

[prime juniper]

i just added it and it doesnt work

[livid crag]

You have to use the one built for Folia

[prime juniper]

can you link it?

please

[umbral vault]

just download the latest version

of luckperms

it should work

@prime juniper

[coral ember]

There don't seem to be builds for folia available on their downloads page, only their jenkins https://ci.lucko.me/job/LuckPerms-Folia/

[umbral vault]

dude, i guess u didnt see the builds at luckperms github repo

the latest jar at luckperms.net is also working

the downloads at jenkins is really old afaik

[prime juniper]

master branch?

ye

thanks

[coral ember]

the last jenkins build is the same as the one you're showing on gh. And the pr is not merged yet, so I assume that it's not included in the downloads on luckperms.net

looking at the latest jar from luckperms.net shows no folia-supported: true in their plugin.yml, so in theory it shouldn't load

[peak adder]

I used cloud dedicated or bate sometimes but not I have plan to rent cheap home server

[modern sundial]

Does each entity run on its own tick thread

Since it has its own scheduler

So for example; if a region is running at 15 tps, an entity could be ticking in parallel at 20 TPS?

[livid crag]

Your answer depends on where the entity is

[timber igloo]

There are a bunch of tick threads. In essence, each tick thread ticks a part of the world, and also the entity schedulers for all entities within that region of the world. If there's 2 entities in 2 different regions of the world, their schedulers can run at different TPS

[modern sundial]

If the entity is within a region at 15 TPS

would it tick at that speed?

[livid crag]

Yes

[modern sundial]

Why does it have its own scheduler then

[livid crag]

See Jan’s paragraph above

[modern sundial]

Where is that?

Oh

Nvm

[livid crag]

Like right above you lol

[umbral vault]

.

read this.

[modern sundial]

If it ticking at the same speed as the region, then why would it need its own scheduler? Wouldn’t you be able to use the region scheduler to modify the entity?

[timber igloo]

each entity 'scheduler' is just a list of tasks

that is being polled by the tick thread the entity is on

[modern sundial]

Oh I see

[white laurel]

by design I think this is the best, since a player can change region and the task would be fired in the region where player is not.

[next crater]

java -Xms50G -Xmx50G \ -XX:+UseZGC \ -XX:+ZGenerational \ -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch \ -XX:ZUncommitDelay=300 \ -XX:MaxMetaspaceSize=2G \ -XX:MetaspaceSize=256M \ -XX:+UseContainerSupport \ -jar folia.jar --nogui

Are these normal indicators?

GC

[umbral vault]

add

-XX:+ZProactive

[next crater]

with it I couldn't start it, it said it didn't exist

[umbral vault]

which

jdk r u using

[next crater]

maybe I wrote it wrong at that time

[umbral vault]

hmmm

it should work

can u repull?

or try this

[next crater]

I'll try later, there are too many people now

[umbral vault]

ghcr.io/yunuservices/java:open-jdk_21

alr

[next crater]

I had one capital letter (-XX:+ZProActive)
Thanks for helping
I hope it will work adequately

[paper siren]

why ZUncommitDelay?

[jade canyon]

is there a good folia replacement for essentialsx?

[dim merlin]

there are forks of it that work on folia

also a lot of alternatives
but if you want essx just use a folia compatible fork

https://github.com/Euphillya/Essentials-Folia

[jade canyon]

Ok ty :)

How to start up folia? Like just with the paper startup script but i switch the jar to folia one?

Cuz im tryna upgrade from paper to folia

[timber igloo]

Yes

But I'm wondering if it's the right choice for your use case, given that you don't sound like you have a lot of experience

[jade canyon]

Nah dw im good ik what im doing its just that i didnt find documentation

[jade canyon]

ok so

how do i display server performance stats well or like what is it i should display? like local tps and what else?

[jade canyon]

How do i disable coordinates showing in /tps in folia and is there a configuration file specifically for folia options?

[jade canyon]

ok so how do i make a patch

[umbral vault]

do you want to disable f3 coords?

[timber igloo]

i think its easier to just make your own custom tps command that gives you an average of all regoins

[timber igloo]

the /tps in folia gives you a lits of the 3 regions wiht the highest usage and where they are located at

[jade canyon]

ok i figured it out in luckperms u can disable it

[umbral vault]

he can disable the /tps command via CommandWhitelist plugin

or disable the permission at luckperms

[timber igloo]

he sounded like his goal was to make a command that displays performance informatoin but does not leak potential base *positions

altho his latest statement kinda defies that idea

[umbral vault]

oh

[unkempt arrow]

Hi, how could I make cross-servering between dimensions with portals? I have 3 servers, one for each world. Is there a plugin or something to connect the portals with the world?

[livid crag]

You will need to find a plugin yes

[plucky compass]

wow

[wanton star]

Hello, does folia allow to do horizontal scaling ?

[paper siren]

it doesn't provide anything in that regard that isn't already covered by paper

[timber igloo]

It supports it to extent paper does. It doesn't implement it and you will basically have to do everything yourself

[lost vessel]

Custom World generation works on Folia??

i dont thinks so bec multiverse-core said its impossible

https://hangar.papermc.io/TheNextLvl/Worlds

[inner swift]

It works natively through datapacks

World loading can work if a plugin hacks around Folia's internal code in a way to allow this to happen, but this is considered unsupported

[lost vessel]

Can you recommend something for me?

[fair merlin]

You can do custom terrain on Paper and then move the world over to Folia also.

[prime juniper]

Is this plugin safe to use on a server with many players and many plugins?

[inner swift]

We don't support it

[prime juniper]

Okay 👍

So there is no good world manager plugin for folia?

[inner swift]

Well, Folia doesn't offer a way to load and unload worlds at runtime, the supported way is to define your worlds as dimensions in datapacks

[prime juniper]

Okay

[umbral vault]

Worlds, PhantomWorlds plugins can handle your job for world management.

[dim merlin]

Phantom worlds doesn't work on folia
Their folia support is just setting folia in the plugin yml to true

[umbral vault]

[dim merlin]

Look at the diff

[dim merlin]

The plugin does work on folia but only through a lot of hacks around internals
i would consider it stable

[umbral vault]

yeah lol

[dim merlin]

But every folia update has the chance to brick something so...
Datapacks are probably more stable

[umbral vault]

🤣

[dim merlin]

Not wanna bash on the plugin but I doubt there was any testing involved

[umbral vault]

i tested this plugin

on luminol/canvas/raw folia

[dim merlin]

Added folia support

+folia-supported=true

[umbral vault]

and didnt got any exception

[dim merlin]

Which one?

[umbral vault]

its using folia library?

i guess, but still idk

[umbral vault]

these 3

[dim merlin]

No which plugin

[umbral vault]

phantomworlds

[umbral vault]

ah 😄

this explains my feelings to whole folia community

[timber igloo]

Canvas implements world loading / unloading api

[umbral vault]

UnsupportedOperationException

[umbral vault]

yeah

canvas api fixed this and i be able to used it

otherwise managing worlds in folia is funny

im not gonna manage the worlds over datapacks/dimensions

[timber igloo]

But I mean I'm guessing there's some caveats to it

Since if it's actually fully stable, why not merge into folia

[scarlet ginkgo]

the dev hasn’t had the time yet to do it i assume

he wants to pr his fixes to folia

[timber igloo]

I see

[lunar linden]

I'm entering version 1.21.4 of folia, but only paper versions are visible.

[viral stone]

scroll down the software list

[lunar linden]

It would be much better if it automatically scrolled down when we clicked.

[viral stone]

We know

[wicked mantle]

It used to, but that broke with the Next update

[timber igloo]

That sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea and will not cause region ticking threads to wait for one another

Not necessarily, but doing this is most defenetly not a good idea. The core problem isn't that some data structures will break with folia, but that folia just doesn't implement the bukkit word loading api

[marble sentinel]

Hi guys! Please tell me the optimal flags for Folia on this VM:

VM: 18 cores, 42GB RAM (maybe too weak for Folia?)
Java: open-jdk21

Host: 2x Xeon E5-2687W (16c/32t), 192GB RAM
ESXi 7.0

Server on 1.21.7 and online +-30 people

[modest kestrel]

it would probably be worth mentioning that since he is using java 21, Generational ZGC is not enabled by default, I'm not sure how good non-generational ZGC is

[umbral vault]

GraalVM 24 with generational ZGC, Probably Folia fork can handle your job.

with these specs

[paper siren]

I wouldn't recommend GraalVM without very strong reasons

[marble sentinel]

We use Folia because it's interesting to test it.

Thanks for the information, I'll try your advice.

[paper tangle]

Is folia faster then paper for chunk generation

[lofty magnet]

in a 1:1 comparison probably not

[paper tangle]

Hmm I see

[orchid spire]

question any way to turn on or enable the team command on folia or its just broken at the moment?

[hexed ice]

it's not possible to enable it

[quasi imp]

I swear it was 1.21.6 like 2 days ago

[umbral vault]

it got updated!

[next crater]

Does anyone know how to show global or local TPS in the tab?

[timber igloo]

there isn't really 'global' TPS anymore, theres the global tick thread, but its TPS arent really meaningful to players im guessing. We use https://github.com/Winds-Studio/Folia-Expansion as a PAPI expansion, it allows you to get TPS in a players current region aswell as 'global' tps

[timber igloo]

8 cores is a little little perhaps

yeah

[next crater]

[PluginRemapper] Done remapping plugin 'plugins/Folia-Expansion-1.0.0-dev.jar' in 149ms. [22 [15]57 ERROR]: [DirectoryProviderSource] Error loading plugin: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Directory 'plugins/.paper-remapped/Folia-Expansion-1.0.0-dev.jar' does not contain a paper-plugin.yml or plugin.yml! Could not determine plugin type, cannot load a plugin from it!

it's for an old version, so it's possible to make your own plugin only based on it?

there are no other options?

[daring nimbus]

that is a PAPI expansion, not a plugin

[modest kestrel]

this goes into PlaceholderAPI/expansions

[next crater]

hmm, so I assembled it, so where should I put it?

[daring nimbus]

see the message above

[next crater]

Understood

[umbral vault]

pterodactyl mentioned

[jade canyon]

Yo is there a pluginn for folia thst increases max speed of minecart?

Or some otjer way to do it

[swift flicker]

Can't you just "merge" so much regions that it just crashes due to watchdog or reaches a limit?

[inner swift]

Not really

[viral stone]

Watchdog doesn't really exist for regions afaik

but, yea, you could theoretically create an uber region so much so that you defeat the entire point of using folia, that's why the picture and many discussions try to make it clear of the limitation that exists

[jade canyon]

How to put datapack in server?

[wet arch]

the minecart speed thing is a part of the experimental minecart datapack thing

it isn't something you put in the datapack folder

[real tendon]

watchdog exists, just wont stop the server if something is deadlocked for too long

[umbral vault]

while server exit from deadlock, watchdog just sending a 500 line of death message

into console 😊

[gray sapphire]

Hi, can I benefit from Folia on Ryzen 5 3600?

Thanks. For now I don't have a large number of players, but in the near future I expect to have to handle more than 200 people. If I understand correctly this CPU is enough to run the game for 50 people, and later just move my setup to better hardware and it should increase the server's capacity (ofc if I increase the region thread count first in the config)?

sorry for typos, I'm on mobile rn

200 with a better hw

realistically how many players can a r5 3600 handle?

my proxy is already outsourced on a separate machine

what do you mean by 💀?

Well, I manage it, but it's on a separate machine

I expressed it incorrectly

[gray sapphire]

how about this with folia being the only resource-hungry app on the server?

[timber igloo]

With 6 cores you're not really taking advantage of folias capabilities

[gray sapphire]

Even with region thread count manually increased?

And how does Folia (or Java) handle servers with multiple physical cpus on the MOBO? Does it just work like more cores?

[timber igloo]

Well then you just have a bunch of virtual threads on the same core

[viral stone]

Folia runs with the expectation that you have extra threads for dealing with stuff like chunk loading and management outside of the region threads ticking; There is a pretty sizable resource usage increase mitigated by the fact that it can take advantage of more CPU threads (i.e. pipelines)

increasing the number of pipelines the game is trying to use (region threads) without increasing the number of CPU threads you have, just means that you stand closer to a risk of overloading the pipeline; where the numbers need to sit for your game play, etc, can vary drastically

The stats/recommendations for folia are generally around a level of assumption that if you're using folia, you should have or be a dev able to patch stuff, and have the income to splash out as needed, not be trying to squeeze as much as you can out of older hardware; Not that you can't, it's just not a situation that the general usecase is tailored for

[gray sapphire]

Well, I am experienced enough to create most of the plugins for Folia on my own. I have also ported several public (incompatible) ones to Folia. So the first recomnendation is already fulfilled. The "income" part is a bit more conplicated 😆

iirc Folia is backward compatible, so if I already have a server fully compatible with Folia, I can start with Paper, collect the required funds and later on better hardware just replace the server's JAR file?

[gray sapphire]

but that way, when I notice Paper can't keep up, I can easily migrate to Folia anytime without worrying about plugin compatibility

[timber igloo]

Yes, true

[umbral vault]

it will, but the gamemode affecting the performance directly.

[umbral vault]

may i ask for the gamemode?

[gray sapphire]

it's SMP, so players will be spread all over the world.

[umbral vault]

oh.

i dont think raw folia can do the things that u need. my thoughts

u can look on canvas and other forks, just an suggestion not recommendation.

i would still avoid at this point for using r5 3600 for folia.

[jade canyon]

Is there a working worldedit for 1.21.8 folia

[maiden musk]

im using a fork and it does work but i have no clue where i got it make some research on github

[little sable]

A Google search, and it's there in a few clicks.

[jade canyon]

How to allocate more threads as tick threads? Currently it only is using 4 threads i think and i have a 16 core cpu

[umbral vault]

paper/paper-global.yml

you will find threads on downside of page

give it more.

[modern spade]

Wait is folia already released?

[fair merlin]

There are downloads on the website, yes, but it's still at the same level of "release" as it's been for quite a while.

[calm fable]

whats the gradlew command to create a mojmapped jar?

[scarlet ginkgo]

the output of ./gradlew tasks has all the answers

[calm fable]

ahh thank you!

[calm fable]

does the 1.21.8 version of folia have the change that all loaded chunks are randomticked regardless of player distance?

[timber igloo]

Isn't that vanilla behaviour?

[gritty ocean]

Does Folia have any known issues with Java 24 or GraalVM? I am getting failed main thread checks on a brand new and bare server while it tries to do the initial world generation

[little sable]

no this happens from time to time, you have to delete your world and try again

[gritty ocean]

Hm, it appears to be consistent, but I can try again

Looks like you are right. It took quite a few tries, but it eventually managed to start normally

[little sable]

This is an error I get from time to time on the first installations of Folia when I use run-dev during my tests.

[gritty ocean]

It might have been exaggerated by the fact that I'm booting 3 new servers in parallel

so every time I upped my container stack, at least one server crashed

[viral stone]

There is a loosely known race condition or something weird there, no idea if anybody has ever actually reported it

Yeeting the worlds and trying a few times might help

[little sable]

I've noticed this happens when the player's spawn chunk in the world isn't actually in the center of the world, but I haven't done any more research than that.

[viral stone]

The thing hits a random pos and then scans from there

I wonder if folia makes some assumptions around where spawn is

[ionic kelp]

repo down repo down

[chilly kernel]

yes

[calm fable]

sorry 1 more question but does ender pearl chunk loading work?

about to start a new season and would just like to know, if so how would one prevent that

[ruby spire]

Folia has shutdown thread and it should have a generation or loading thread and only when world is fully generated/loaded switch to region scheduler

[tardy elm]

hello friends

is it a bad idea to fork folia & force each world to be 1 region for a skyblock server?

currently ChunkAccess#fillBiomesFromNoise is omega killing the server, but I figure I'd ask so I stop before I go too deep down the rabbit hole

[little sable]

It's mainly that it would be extremely heavy if there are more players, and unloading world is not supported.

[tardy elm]

well the main goal was to use folia to be able to support a lot of players

estimate of 500+-

unloading world we can figure something out about that, we just figured each world ticking in a separate thread would be better than plain paper for this

[little sable]

after you can put a very large distance which separates the islands

[tardy elm]

well actually

[tardy elm]

this would technically split each island into its own region, right

[little sable]

Yes

This is what we did on our server, each island has 5 distance region files for 1 island per region folia

[tardy elm]

mind if I ask how many players you held?

all entities we would handle ourselves so they wouldn't need to be ticked, we will probably strip the jar down quite a bit

I'm just not sure if it's a better idea than just using plain paper

but i think it is

[little sable]

We reached 500 players at the start of the server, we had to upgrade our server to a 224 core CPU.

[tardy elm]

224 core for 500 players

hmm

[little sable]

In fact, we had 64 cores which was not enough, so we upgraded and everything is fine, I think we can hold 1000 players

[tardy elm]

where does one even find a provider with 224 core cpus

[little sable]

I don't know, on my server, we bought the machines and put them in a data center

[tardy elm]

okay well

thank you for the insightful information kind person on the internet

[little sable]

Np

[fair merlin]

This wouldn't really make sense. Making it "one region" would basically make it a Paper server.

So you'd be better off using an instance of Paper.

[viral stone]

I mean, each world would literally already be a single region jsut due to how the regioniser works

You'd have the advantage of parallisation of world ticking but some level of overhead for each world, and would need to figure out a solution for the whole un/loading worlds thing

[tardy elm]

we have already figured out unloading

[viral stone]

smells arm'y maybe?

[tardy elm]

well our main goal was to avoid having to shard

& to maintain 2 versions of each module

since we already have an ongoing prison server

[viral stone]

oh, no, I forgot x86 was there with dual CPUs

[tardy elm]

figured going for single-world would be smarter since world unloading wasn't supported but

                            FeatureHooks.closeEntityManager(handle, false);
                            handle.levelStorageAccess.close();```

this seems to do the trick at a first glance at least

[viral stone]

I saw some people having some issues where it looked deceptively easy but led to stalling out the system on actual servers, so much so that it needed actual patches to folia, but

[tardy elm]

uhhhh

I'm gonna pretend like I didn't read that

[tardy elm]

are there any known issues with cactus growing on folia?

[timber igloo]

BTW it's often better to describe your actual problem rather than asking questions like this. I'm guessing you're not asking about this just to be safe that cactus works properly but rather to figure out your issue

[livid sun]

Hi, is it possible to create a plugin for Folia that generates empty worlds?
I want to create a minigame plugin for Folia.

[inner swift]

Is this your issue?
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/8544

[umbral vault]

colocation explained

[maiden musk]

https://mcpaste.io/bf00fc976c447eb2

is this because the player teleported to another world too soon?

[viral stone]

Probably

The server is highly sensitive to where you teleport players, in a single threaded server you can mostly rely on nothing too bad happening to pretend you didn't just cause some oddball side-effects, on something like Folia, it becomes a whole lot more fun

[maiden musk]

i see ty

[modern heart]

hey is there a list of plugins that currently work or is every trial and error

[hexed ice]

plugin authors can choose to mark their plugin as supporting folia on hangar/modrinth

[modern heart]

oh okay

dang essentialx still doesn't

[maiden musk]

https://github.com/Euphillya/Essentials-Folia/releases/tag/build-folia-patches-70

[modern heart]

for a skyblock public server estimate play count around 100-200 is folia or loofah a better server jar?

[rare hare]

I have never heard of loofah, but considering this is the Folia channel, people will probably recommend you Folia.

[modern heart]

it's a modded with plugins

[rare hare]

Then I'd definitely recommend Folia

Server jars that attempt to allow for both plugins and mods have never worked well

[modern heart]

true

[umbral vault]

mohist aah solution went wrong last time

[strong nimbus]

Why is this

[rare hare]

The API design of the server is not very extensible in many areas, so once you try to add new blocks, items, entities, or even modify existing ones, it becomes very hard to also maintain plugin compatibility. So you run into the issue that either plugins work correctly, but many mods don't work, or mods work correctly, but then many plugins break.

[modern heart]

https://github.com/LoofahMC/Loofah

opinon on this then

[daring nimbus]

Sponge was made with the idea of mod compatibility in mind

so that likely works better than any Bukkit-based attempt at it

[rare hare]

Loofah is still newly started and HEAVILY WORK IN PROGRESS. At this point the game launches on both client and the dedicated server but opening worlds on clients crashes and players can't join the dedicated server.

[torpid citrus]

Hello everyone, i have question. How i can check right clicked on player?

[strong nimbus]

#paper-dev PlayerInteractEvent

[torpid citrus]

PlayerInteract haven't func for this, or I don't find it

[daring nimbus]

PlayerInteractEntityEvent

for that special case

[torpid citrus]

Ty, I will see it

[gritty ocean]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that PlayerPortalEvent is broken on Folia. Did I dream that?

Looks like it's in the readme

Any workaround to catching a player about to teleport to a different world?

[modest kestrel]

EntityPortalEnterEvent

but its executed even when an entity touches the nether portal

so you have to add throttling or otherwise the method will be executed every tick you are touching the portal

[gritty ocean]

Ah, okay cool. That's doable. I was imagining scanning all player positions on a timer as a backup, but this is cleaner

[proper coyote]

Want to use Folia for my upcoming SMP just so that when we have events on the SMP and get a lot of players (100-200) the server doesn't crash or anything. Should I used Folia for this case or no and just stick with purpur?

map probably 20k by 20k

[fierce fern]

wrong message

[proper coyote]

ty

Probably will start with no folia

and expand to folia if we get too big

[sterile crag]

I know that folia needs a lot of threads to work well, but what does it actually do with all those threads? A paper server is happy with just two threads (given reasonable player loads and plugins), but afaik a folia server with three regions would need more than 6 threads.

[paper siren]

there just isn't much benefit if you use only a few threads

[timber igloo]

Well it needs threads for ticking the world, plus all of the threads paper would need, I.e the chunk workers and netty threads. You could have 3 regions with 6 tick threads it's just not that anyone Is expecting you to run folia with 3 regions

[modern heart]

On the foila website it asked for 16 cores so what server host allows you that many

[lofty magnet]

pretty much any host that gives you a dedicated/root server

[tawdry shoal]

can i make a test server for folia only 1 person if i have 6 cores?

[modern heart]

I am doing sky block with multiple worlds

[tawdry shoal]

where to download folia 1.21.1?

i need folia for minecraft 1.21.1

[modern heart]

So if I get 16 threads that should be enough?

[lofty magnet]

if you really need it for 1.21.1 then you can just build it yourself but don't expect it to be stable

[tawdry shoal]

how

on github only 1.21.8

[lofty magnet]

there is a branch

[tawdry shoal]

thx

[maiden musk]

https://papermc.io/downloads/all?project=folia

[tawdry shoal]

this is paper

[lofty magnet]

I mean that page literally doesn't list folia 1.21.1 so...

[maiden musk]

oh yeah my bad.

idk why would you use 1.21.1 though especially on folia

use latest unless you gonna fork that version

[modern heart]

Well it says online 16 threads doesn't equal cores but server hoster isn't telling me how many cores 16 threads is

[lofty magnet]

then you might want to use a better host

[modern heart]

Ok

[soft patio]

has to be at least 8 cores for 16 cpu threads

But that doesn't really mean anything

if you have 16 dedicated CPU threads, that's all you have to worry about

[worldly spruce]

Hey there, apologies if this question has been answered a few times already. However, is there a chance to make Folia generate more regions?

As of now, it appears we're locked to around 3-5 regions despite me lowering the grid-exponent. For context, we are on a 8x8k pre-generated map.

[viral coral]

8x8k is pretty small

[worldly spruce]

What would a recommend map size be, for reference?

I assume it's time to go big or go home next time

[maiden musk]

167 players but only 3 regions

you have spread players more and 8x8k map isnt enough at all

[worldly spruce]

Yeah, I'm aware

[fair merlin]

Then the answer is no - if players are too close the regions will merge. You can’t force more. Folia wants large maps and player spread.

[worldly spruce]

Thanks alot

[strong nimbus]

How are the regions decided

[timber igloo]

https://docs.papermc.io/folia/reference/region-logic/

[north lake]

We are experiencing intermittent issues with certain regions not responding.
We are using Folia 1.21.8, and we know that this is caused by some kind of plugin.
However, it is difficult to investigate because the error does not specify which plugin is causing the problem, and we do not know when the error occurs.
https://pastebin.com/raw/UCxu2zwU

Does anyone know of a good way to investigate this?

[unkempt arrow]

can i increase the stack size

of some items dropped?

[wet arch]

datapacks can't modify the default components of items, if that's what you're suggesting

a plugin would more suited to modifying items like that

[tiny scroll]

when mspt>50, does it change behaviour of entities? will minecarts move differently?

[timber igloo]

They will move slower

[tiny scroll]

i mean slower per each tick, not per second

[tiny scroll]

thank

[cunning cradle]

Hey guys, I’m testing Folia (build 3 for 1.21.8) and noticed something strange.
I split my server into 3 regions. In the first region I spawned a ton of villagers. What’s odd is that when I check CPU usage, only 1 core is fully loaded (sometimes 2-3 cores spike for a second or two, then go idle again). I tested this on both my 8-core server and my 12-core PC same result.

Is this normal behavior for Folia right now, or is something wrong? Shouldn’t the load be separated between regions/cores instead of sticking to one?

[wet arch]

iirc on sub-16 core cpus the default allocation for tick threads is only 1

[cunning cradle]

Yeah, you’re right I checked my paper-global.yml and it had threads: -1 so it was defaulting low. After setting it manually my regions actually started spreading across cores.
Pretty sure it wasn’t GC the load was stuck on 1 core the whole time until I fixed the config. Now it looks way more balanced. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction 👍

[wintry granite]

does sand duper work on folia 1.21.8?

@dim merlin i enabled the setting

and still it doesn't dupe the sand

[dim merlin]

it is an unsupported setting so ...

[wintry granite]

ok don't help if you don't want

[livid crag]

Don’t randomly ping people asking for support. The config is provided as is as NonSwag already told you.

[wintry granite]

i didn't ping randomly

he responded me in another channel and told him here so i don't crosspost

[finite hinge]

iirc some machines still just don't work but some do?

Or you might not have actually changed the setting, depending on when you did it and what hosting solution you're using it might have been changed back or ignored

[modern spade]

Is this normal in folia?

Server works fine actually, but the main server thread is at 100%

[velvet oracle]

yes

[strong nimbus]

Would folia be good for a practice / 1v1 duel gamemode where all arenas are in separate worlds

[velvet oracle]

if you want to load and unload said worlds on the fly, no. otherwise yes

[strong nimbus]

What if the arena have a distance between each other

[velvet oracle]

so long as the distance is enough, sure

[strong nimbus]

Okay

[tardy elm]

im a bit late to this but yeah this was the issue

i just made a patch to fire a CactusGrowEvent and not actually make the cactus itself grow though

as my goal was to implement chunk hoppers, so problem solved:P

[hexed ice]

if you hover over the i circles you'd also see an explanation for that

[maiden musk]

Yeah i do run a practice server on folia but arenas are in the same world with a enough distance to have their own region

[strong nimbus]

Any improvements over paper?

[maiden musk]

we still havent launched for everyone its under beta and we are testing with 20 to 30 players and so far everything is going well the main goal is most likely to handle more players so if you dont have a high player count i dont think its necessary to use folia but if you do i would suggest to build your server on folia

[strong nimbus]

I work on a practice core and wanted to know if it’s worth adding folia support

[maiden musk]

at first i made arenas and spawn in a different worlds and had issues like this ^ so i moved everything into same world + made 5 spawns so players could spread between them

[hollow raven]

What's the best host for running a Folia server? Considering THE POWER OF MULTI-THREADING, obvious choices like PebbleHost go down the drain

[maiden musk]

if you have enough customer base for that sure

[strong nimbus]

Yeah some want it but I was unsure if folia would even be a great choice for duel servers

[maiden musk]

i was looking for a folia supported practice but theres none so had to make one from scratch

[strong nimbus]

Damn

[maiden musk]

if they have more than 200 players i would say yes also how does your core regenerates arena?

[strong nimbus]

Right now I don’t even regenerate arenas as I generate a copy of the arena on match start

[maiden musk]

pebblehost has dedicated servers just get 9 7950x

[strong nimbus]

The code is open source

[maiden musk]

oh you are the dev of neptune lol

[strong nimbus]

Yeah

[hollow raven]

It's 140$ for a month

[maiden musk]

https://github.com/TitanPowered/Gaia

im using that open source plugin to regenerate arenas. had to fork it though since it had issues with folia but you could check it out

[maiden musk]

i mean you could get a lower cpu but for folia atleast 16cores are recommended

[strong nimbus]

Thanks I will check this out

[hollow raven]

I want to experiment first, build a foundation to then host to a lot of people (200 players max). Will it be simple to upgrade hardware when I finish the setup of the server itself on a budget plan of PebbleHost?

[livid crag]

Try to build a community and ensure you actually can sustain and have the income for big machine first. 99% of server don’t survive first few months

[quaint panther]

A 200 player max can run at paper or kind of forks of it, you should use folia if you are having 200 above players

Pebblehost is a bit expensive, find a cheapest host with the same specs and trusted/registered company.

[timber igloo]

That depends. E.G we were only running about 100 players but with many players having massive villager farms and even more massive farms, which often brought us above 50mspt during peak hours, and hence got a great advantage from switching tonfoliab

[quaint panther]

it can be optimized in paper, but no one will stop you using folia as long as you are using it right, paper have more plugins compatibility.

and i suggest him to run paper because he doesn't have enough funds to run a good machine for it.

[hollow raven]

Keep in mind that all of those 200 players will be exploring the world and making a lot of farms, so that's why I want to make my next server a Folia server. Paper just didn't cut it

[quaint panther]

that's why I tell kind of forks of it, not a normal paper without optimization can handle it but yeah it will lag

but keep in mind you will need a good machine if you ever will use folia so make a good decision

it depends, a default will look like that, you need to adjust it since he doesn't have enough budget, that's the only way he have

if you have good enough money for machine, go for folia

if you dont, then stay at paper

[hollow raven]

Doesn't multi-threading help in normal machines too? Like, 8 cores and such?

[livid crag]

In general sense yes, in Minecraft context, if your machine is below spec, running folia is just adding extra overhead.

[hollow raven]

Then I am definitely going with Folia! Thanks!

[acoustic monolith]

Hey

Someone have alternative of multiverse for folia ?

[peak adder]

Who can upstream Folia to latest Folia

[strong nimbus]

PhantomWorlds

[acoustic monolith]

PhantomWorlds vs Worlds ?

[strong nimbus]

Never heard of Worlds

[acoustic monolith]

okey thanks you dude

[stray aurora]

MoreFoWorld

[acoustic monolith]

Cant import and load world

[velvet oracle]

do you actually need MV or are you using it just because you think that's the only way to add worlds

cus I'm pretty sure you can just do it with datapacks

[maiden musk]

im using Worlds and never had a issue

[acoustic monolith]

ye im using this

[umbral vault]

PhantomWorlds is not working with stock folia.

Worlds is workable with stock folia.

[lime heart]

Does anyone know if there's a workaround for this: https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/issues/372

Since save-all is disabled I can't force map data to save. For reference this is seemingly still an issue in the latest folia release, but my current version is 1.20.4.

[jade canyon]

yo anyone got the link for luckperms folia build?

[strong nimbus]

https://ci.lucko.me/job/LuckPerms-Folia/

[flat epoch]

what would be the better CPU for folia?

1. Ryzen 9 7950X3D
2. Ryzen 9 9950X

2 would have more "raw" performance, while 1 has 3D-Cache. Is 3D-Cache good for folia?

[modest kestrel]

3d is pretty much useless in mc

9950X would be a much better option

[velvet oracle]

yea either the 9950X or possibly going into epyc/threadripper territory

[flat epoch]

but isn't it better to use a Ryzen 9 because of the single core performance? or is that not as important on folia?

[velvet oracle]

on Paper single core performance is everything, as everything is ticked on that one single core

on Folia multicore performance is everything, as provided your game world is optimal for Folia (if it's not, go use Paper lol) then the ticking is spread across multiple threads

[modest kestrel]

what would you rather

32 threads

or 64 threads (but each thread is 25% slower)

the 64 threads for folia are MUCH better

[velvet oracle]

if Paper, 32 threads; if Folia, 64 threads.

[timber igloo]

I think he was more so making a point on what choice you would make for folia, rather than asking for help on which is better. for paper 32 threads would be overkill, no?

[velvet oracle]

ehhh depends

if you get that on a CPU that's high single thread anyway, won't hurt

and it's useful for things that are async such as chunk loading

[timber igloo]

yeah

netty threads

chunk workers

[velvet oracle]

as well as some plugins that may be able to take advantage of multithreading

also you don't necessarily need to give Paper all of those threads, you can use them for side services which may be needed

such as a database, redis, proxy, website, wiki, etc

[finite hinge]

Single core performance still matters, if you never have more than 1 player in a region why bother making them all play on the same server so you're going to need to care about the performance of single regions too

It's less important because you might only need to care about regions having up to 20 players (really past that your game design has failed to take advantage of Folia) but you still shouldn't run Folia on one of those Atom-based Xeons

[flat epoch]

Sound sound = Registry.SOUND_EVENT.get(new NamespacedKey(NamespacedKey.MINECRAFT, soundName.toLowerCase()));
``` why is this null when "soundName" is "ENTITY_ENDERMAN_TELEPORT"?

[paper siren]

because it is entity.enderman.teleport

[flat epoch]

bruh

[lost vessel]

Hello i need quickly help i cant start my server and this error is from folia

[lost vessel]

i use the latest version but its also doesnt work

[little sable]

1.21.5 is not the latest version

[lost vessel]

So is the version buggy?

or what can i do

[hexed ice]

provide logs of it happening on the latest version

[lost vessel]

The problem is also on 1.21.8-5

[hexed ice]

what happens when you try starting your server without plugins like Worlds

[lost vessel]

the same problem i remove any plugins

[lost vessel]

one thing i do before idk 1h i delete world file bec i need to reset, is this maybe a problem?

[hexed ice]

the plugin itself tells you that it's highly experimental, because folia does not support loading worlds outside of using a datapack to do so

[lost vessel]

but it works the last 3 weeks

[hexed ice]

if you could get a log of it happening without any plugins then that'd be useful

[lost vessel]

my friend created a new world on 1.21.5 and we paste it in my other server

it works now

[north shale]

Are there any plans to support it?

[timber igloo]

i would be guessing so. especially if you want to create worlds on the fly, a datapack is usually not the nicest option, curently you have to rely on forks for properly implemented apis

[dim merlin]

i dont even know why i put that warning there
people dont read anyway 😄

[forest copper]

Is it really recommended to use 16 threads? Or it can work with like 6 too but not as good? Or it would have issues?

[paper siren]

it will work but might be slower than paper, or generally just not worth the additional complexity and limitations (e.g. regarding plugins)

[forest copper]

Thanks!

[white laurel]

By experience I can say even in folia, single thread performance should be keep in consideration, there may be situations were players while moving causes region mergings and in that case a single thread performant cpu will save the region tps. Predicting players is difficult.

[lost vessel]

Where exactly can I set the utilization higher, i.e., allocate more power to Minecraft?Where exactly can I set the utilization higher, i.e., allocate more power to Minecraft?

[prime juniper]

he means that

[prime juniper]

ok nvm we have already fixxed it 👍

[white laurel]

config folder / paper global

threaded-regions: threads: X

[lost vessel]

How can I make that Folia use less RAM?

[livid crag]

By allocate less ram via your JVM flag

It is governed by the Xmx flag

[lost vessel]

Thanks!

[prime juniper]

okay, and how much would ram you recomend to use?

[fair merlin]

It depends on the server. Especially with Folia there’s no great answer easy for that.

[prime juniper]

Alright

[lost vessel]

Folia is really hard to configure. We’re running it on a Ryzen 9 7900 with 120GB RAM and a 1TB disk, and we need help setting up the server YMLs, like IO and Worker threads, and other performance-related settings from Paper.yml.

Our current startup command is:

java -Xms2G -Xmx4G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=200 -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1HeapRegionSize=8M -XX:G1ReservePercent=20 -XX:G1HeapWastePercent=5 -XX:G1MixedGCCountTarget=4 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=15 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=90 -XX:G1RSetUpdatingPauseTimePercent=5 -XX:SurvivorRatio=32 -XX:+PerfDisableSharedMem -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=1 -Dterminal.jline=false -Dterminal.ansi=true -jar server.jar nogui

If anyone can provide guidance or recommend better settings, we’d really appreciate it.

[fierce knot]

paper-global.txt by @lost vessel: https://pastes.dev/9jSNtU07wy

paper-worlds-default.yml by @lost vessel: https://pastes.dev/I0QCEd5pN8

[lost vessel]

is that a better configuration

[timber igloo]

no, its just an uploaded version of your file for easier view

[lost vessel]

ok thanks!

[timber igloo]

also in regards to io and worker threads, there isnt really a big difference between folia and paper. but folia is pretty new and there isnt a lot of public resources regarding configuration, you will most defenelty have to play around with it yourself. also id recommend using ZGC over G1GC, especially with 120GB ram (what server are you running?)

[lost vessel]

Ryzen 9 7900 or what you mean?

[timber igloo]

from looking it up, that thing has 12 cores, which is okayy, but not optimal for folia

[timber igloo]

i didnt mention hardware in that message at all

[lost vessel]

Sorry, I misunderstood that.

[timber igloo]

no worries

but in any case you are probably going to have to try around a bit. if you have a question regarding a specific part of the config or how it will affect a folia server people will likely be able to help you, but i doubt someone wants to look at your entire server config, without knowing the details of your server type, and look for potential issues

[lost vessel]

Yes, I think so too, but it doesn't hurt to ask. But thank you very much for this helpful tip!

[timber igloo]

Np

yeah most defenetly

or well

again really depends on your specific use case and configuratin

but as a general rule of thumb, probably

[maiden musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1409932354339999794/1412939367626051815/09041.mp4?ex=68bebb14&is=68bd6994&hm=2ec0188273a1522f36d1c9e4abfb68a6abe93f9997760060349a6c64ce81615d&

The arrow doesnt hit the target sometimes while the target is moving on the latest folia. 0 plugins btw.

[split depot]

I think it's this issue (Paper too):
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/12200

It's affecting every server that uses Paper currently and is pretty annoying

I don't really know where to look for a fix

[maiden musk]

yeah especially on my practice server

[calm fable]

does "Utilisation: 130.9% / 400.0%" this mean i only have 4 threads going?

[viral stone]

yes

[calm fable]

my system has far more cores, how would i increase this?

[inner swift]

Paper global config, do note that it's intentional for the the tick thread count to be far lower than the total core count, because there's way, wayy more potential threads that'll be used

[calm fable]

right but i have 16 cores, i want to use at least 8

paper global, got it

do you know the keyword?

[inner swift]

Not sure, probably has "thread" somewhere

[calm fable]

  grid-exponent: 2
  threads: -1
``` this is the only part that i see that has that

[viral stone]

yes

[calm fable]

i assume i change -1 to 8?

[viral stone]

Yes

[calm fable]

thanks so much!

[faint crown]

Hey, how can i enable the spark-profiler for my folia server?

[viral stone]

You need to grab the folia build from their CI server

[faint crown]

ohh, so the bundled one that comes with paper doesn't work on folia? I was wondering a lot, since i didn't disable it but it didn't work 😅

[modest kestrel]

https://ci.lucko.me/job/spark-extra-platforms/

just grab the folia one and you should be good to go

[radiant juniper]

Is it possible to reduce the merge region size/radius ?

[finite hinge]

Not really, the smaller the regions the more locking overhead and they can't get smaller than the range of MC features

[radiant juniper]

Implementation variables: The implementation variables control how aggressively the regionizer will maintain regions and merge regions.

[viral stone]

There is a grid exponent configuration option which is exposed

[radiant juniper]

That's what I'm looking to experiment with, there is no easy way to modify thos implementation variables ?

[viral stone]

Well, they're implementation aspects, you would need to modify the implementation

[radiant juniper]

Ok, thanks

[finite hinge]

The grid-exponent setting is either already as small as you can go or almost as small as you can go

[viral stone]

if vanilla features access outside of the region, stuff iwll blow up; that is generally why the min region size is what it is

[finite hinge]

You certainly won't be getting regions down to like 400 blocks or something

[radiant juniper]

So if I get that right, the default int gridExponent value is 4, which means a default region would be 16x16 chunks ?

And lowering that is not feasable ?

[viral stone]

I've not done the maths, I have no idea how that works

[radiant juniper]

Just seen it was changed from 2 before to 4 in recent versions, wonder what caused this.

[wet arch]

2023
recent

[north shale]

So Folia says it recommends 16 cores, what happens if you run it on hardware with less?

[viral stone]

The recommendation is partially set based upon the economical expectations of using Folia

you could run it on 1 core, you'd just have less resources to gain from

(and with the overheads, it might even run a fair bit slower than paper)

[north shale]

What would you say about an 8 core cpu where each core has one thread?

So 8 cores and 8 threads

[viral stone]

nothing changes in what I've said

[north shale]

Do you think that would benefit from it? In my opinion, it's worth it even if it only benefits a little bit

[viral stone]

How much value you get out of said hardware is going to depend on your server setup, can't really provide much more than the genric plataitudes we've provided for the past few years over this topic

[north shale]

We'll it's a survival server where everyone is thousands of blocks apart. So I know folia is the right pick for it, I just don't know if the cpu would be good for it

[viral stone]

The number of cores is only one factor

Chances are it will be better than paper in those cases, that just ignores the other half of the equation there

[north shale]

What is the other half of the equation?

[viral stone]

The expectation that if you're dealing with folia you have the resources to throw around on suitable hardware and some devs

[north shale]

I just do all of the developing myself and the cpu is already prepaid for more than another year. It's just a side project

[primal oyster]

How much usage each region has, how many packets they produce in general, if you'll run other things on the machine, the memory usage which then causes possible considerably gc overhead, etc etc

[north shale]

Well I run the proxy on the same machine and one small other server that only catches people when the main server restarts

[primal oyster]

I'll be honest. In donutsmp our experience has mostly been:
You will experience real improvement if your region has lots of players(like our rtp zones)
But you will have more cpu power if there are lots of farms that use a good amount of cpu so here more cpus are better

But then if your machine has more cores with slower core frequencies you end up with a higher latency for netty pipeline in general

[north shale]

Yes it's a vanilla server that has high mob rates, spread out players, afk alts at large farms, etc

[primal oyster]

It's more of a depends on your workload and what you find acceptable

But generally pvp performance is a one way road so

[north shale]

What do you mean?

[primal oyster]

Vanilla server with high mob rates and large farms

Or very good pvp latency

Usually you won't achieve both on the same cpu

At the finest level possible

There'll be a mid term

You can fit lots of spread out players with massive farms on a high core count box

But you'll have small but extra latency on lot of operations so you won't have massive player count areas on low latency or (mspt) if you want to call it

Fast cpus usually not have too many cores so

If you have 16-32 farms that are using a lot of resources and all on different regions, you see where you're getting?

Capping cpu

[north shale]

I think so

I'm not too knowledgable in this topic

How would that cap CPU?

[fluid hinge]

Hey, is there a folia version of vault?

[subtle wasp]

Yes.

[scarlet stream]

wonder if anyone actually working on this its a big issue on practice servers.

[ruby carbon]

I'm trying to compile a simple test plugin, but every time I try I get something along the lines of

   > Could not find dev.folia:folia-api:1.21.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.
     Searched in the following locations:
       - https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/dev/folia/folia-api/1.21.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/maven-metadata.xml
       - https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/dev/folia/folia-api/1.21.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/folia-api-1.21.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.pom```

I'm at a loss for where I'm supposed to grab the folia version from

Also this is my very first attempt at minecraft plugin development (im a software dev for work though)

[viral stone]

You would grab it from the paper repo

(There was no 1.21.2 published, however)

[ruby carbon]

So in the gradel build, in the dependencies, compileOnly 'dev.folia:folia-api:1.21.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT' This isn't needed?

[ruby carbon]

I've tried with every version I can think of past 1.21

[viral stone]

I mean, you need that, you also need to add the paper repo to your project

[tiny scroll]

why doesnt command blocks do anything on folia server?
there is enable-command-block=true is server.proterties
but when i try to use command block, it literally does nothing

it doesnt say "command blocks are disabled on server"

https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/issues/387#issuecomment-3168217593 ok turns ok they are disabled

[prime juniper]

Hey all, i'm trying to setup a test server with folia, but it seems only one out of the 2 cpus is being utilized, ive tried changing some things in the .yml without avail

[quaint panther]

go in paper global and in threads

change the value

to what you desire

[prime juniper]

Thanks, i will try

[rich python]

how do i get folia 1.21.4

[quaint panther]

by downloading it in paper website

[coral ember]

it's really not recommended to run outdated versions on folia, but if you insist

[coral ember]

oops, ignore this one

[rich python]

tha jar name is paper

[coral ember]

you need to scroll down on the left to folia

[rich python]

okay thx

[quaint panther]

1.21.4 was not that old

[fair merlin]

It has less to do with Minecraft version and more to do with Folia improvements and bug fixes.

You don’t want to run an older version of Folia.

[topaz grove]

How can I use placeholderapi on folia?

[rare hare]

I don't believe PlaceholderAPI supports Folia, so you can't.

[hexed ice]

they do support it nowadays (since July) but haven't made a new release for it, you can get it from https://ci.extendedclip.com/job/PlaceholderAPI/

[verbal magnet]

hey, i was wondering if anyone knows an alternative of spark for folia?

[viral stone]

spark

they have an extra platforms page on their build server

[viral coral]

any good folia supported prometheus exporters in 2025?

[umbral vault]

"and Michael decided to learn his server stats in a cool way."

https://github.com/TheShyDolphin/folia-minecraft-prometheus-exporter

Test this thingy.

[umbral vault]

If there is a issue with it, i will look further away.

[radiant needle]

anyone had issues with mobs not despawning at all

[fair merlin]

Please post a link to the spark report, not a screenshot.

[acoustic garden]

Hi, when my Folia server has a lot of players (+1100), it doesn't let anyone in and instakicks. Is this due to something wrong with the Folia/Paper configuration that I need to adapt?

[viral stone]

You would need to work out what packet that is

I would be surprised if the tab list stuff just wasn't designed to handle that

[acoustic garden]

How can I find that? No errors appear in the client, proxy, or server logs.

[viral stone]

There is no trivial way to find that out

[acoustic garden]

protocollib listener?

[viral stone]

I mean, it would probably more require modifying the server software itself to inject that information

or some other form of hackery to pull off

Oh, could probably slip something into the packet encoder

[acoustic garden]

it would be great

[viral stone]

I mean, I'm not going to do that

[acoustic garden]

yeah yeah, I know haha

[elder maple]

how to use Folia NMS? I just want to know the MSPT of a certain region. I think ServerWorld.regioniser can help me with this somehow, but it is only available in Folia NMS.

[hexed ice]

instead of paperweight.paperDevBundle you use paperweight.foliaDevBundle

https://docs.papermc.io/paper/dev/userdev/#adding-the-plugin

[open agate]

hi, have you solved that?

[elder maple]

I have this happening on the Paper server as well. The trouble is with your big ping

[maiden musk]

it happens with all players and the average ping for players is 20. its not ping related

[maiden musk]

Nah

[little patrol]

Is enable-jmx-monitoring=true broken/disabled for Folia? https://docs.papermc.io/paper/reference/server-properties/#enable_jmx_monitoring I am only seeing averageTickTime and it is stuck at 0 consistently, and tickTimes don't appear present at all.

[scarlet ginkgo]

thats very much possible given there is no main thread to be profiled for tick times

each region has its own tps

[little patrol]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/blob/7a1c5c7c7c86a0071654e03d7bf82120d113ef38/folia-server/minecraft-patches/features/0001-Region-Threading-Base.patch#L8724 Yep it was removed. It would be neat to have the different regions' TPS be exposed as individual tick time metrics. Alternatively, documenting that the JMX ticktimes and averageTickTime are both disabled on Folia would be helpful for future folks I'm sure

[little patrol]

I've added a ticket for updating or at least removing the exposed JMX monitoring metrics https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/issues/398

[azure wadi]

Hello! I have a question regarding tnt behaviour when pushed through nether portals.

I dont know if its the servers specific plugins/config that change that, or what. But tnt loses its momentum when pushed with a piston and slime block (thus breaking farms like portal based obby farm)

[rich python]

How do i folia compile plugins

[arctic tapir]

don’t crosspost

[elder maple]

Could not HEAD 'https://repo.papermc.io/repository/maven-public/dev/folia/dev-bundle/1.21.6-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/maven-metadata.xml'. Received status code 500 from server: Internal Server Error
I use paperweight-userdev. This happens when the plugin is compile with paperweight.foliaDevBundle. Am I the only one with this problem?

[frail swan]

I'm in the same bug. I have a release at 6 p.m. CEST today, and I need to be able to compile my project by then. Both my CI/CD and my PC are showing the error. Could you please restart your repo server or look into the problem?

Could not HEAD 'https://repo.papermc.io/repository/maven-public/dev/folia/dev-bundle/1.21.8-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/maven-metadata.xml'. Received status code 500 from server: Internal Server Error

[elder maple]

So I'm not the only one

[elder maple]

use gradle build --offline. It helped me

[livid crag]

#dev-announcements message

[unique gale]

soo paper repo still down?

[arctic tapir]

yes

[slim flint]

Hey, is it recommended or required to set a fixed number of threads for the different tasks in the config manually, or does the default -1 generally do a good job at managing it automatically as a baseline?

Apart from that, any other basic recommendations? As launch args, I currently simply have matching xms and xmg as well as generational ZGC.

[viral stone]

@acoustic garden I don't provide 1:1 support

[acoustic garden]

oh sorry

Do you think you could help me configure Folia correctly?

I think I have too many chunks in each region.

[viral stone]

You have 134 players in a region

[acoustic garden]

I know, my survival world is 50k x 50k and the spawns are separated into different servers. The problem is that there's a streamer with a lot of viewers who are concentrated in specific chunks and are lagging that region. Having 14k chunks in a single region seems excessive to me. Do you think I could lower the grid in the Paper config? Does it affect CPU usage a lot?

[viral stone]

It's nothing to do with chunks

it's all to do with how close players are together

there is the grid exponent setting but it's not going to help if all of your players are close together

[acoustic garden]

So I understand that this region is doomed to lag, right?

[viral stone]

Correct

[acoustic garden]

Hmmm, interesting. Thanks!

[swift night]

9k entities seems like alot for 134 players as well

[timber igloo]

its not really out of the ordinary. we have 20k+ entities with 120 players

[timber igloo]

iirc one of the main problems with that was that if you have players within a tick region, entity update packets, players pushing each other etc. will rise with the square of the amount of players in that region, and the ticking thread will quickly get overwhelmed. You can split your spawn into multiple 'virtual' regions, where each regions keeps some players and spawns fake players for all other players, that gives every player the visuals of having all other players there. comes with the disadvantage that you basically have to disallow most interactions between players within the 'spawn' area, or put a lot of effort into making that work properly without dupes

[swift night]

20000 entities in one region is insane lol

[broken umbra]

Is it normal for my Folia server to crash with 400 players?
How should I set it up so it stays at 700 players?

I wanted to use Folia for a custom survival

[lofty magnet]

show the crash report

[timber igloo]

with no doubt

[broken umbra]

mspts reach 2000 lol

[timber igloo]

what hardware are you using? any spark profiler?

[broken umbra]

AMD RYZEN 9 9950X - 16 c / 32 t - 4,3 GHz / 5,7 GHz
RAM
128 GB DDR5

[broken umbra]

https://spark.lucko.me/PhJfZjjFss

[quaint panther]

use zgc flags

[broken umbra]

which?

[quaint panther]

in jvm startup

[quaint panther]

looks like your struggling in gc

[dim merlin]

outdated an offline mode lol

[quaint panther]

oh yeah update to latest

[fair merlin]

We don't support offline mode servers here.

And yeah, you don't want to run 1.21.4

[quaint panther]

mb i didn't see offline mode

[vocal helm]

OPSSSS

[broken umbra]

why not :(

[fair merlin]

. . . what?

[vocal helm]

nothing

[quaint panther]

well you would need to ask support in another server because paper doesn't support offline mode server

you gotta follow the rules

[fair merlin]

See rule #7 in #welcome

[somber fog]

hey, can someone help me get configurate-core to install? i keep getting this error:

Could not find org.spongepowered:configurate-core:4.2.0-20250225.064233-204.
Searched in the following locations:
  - https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/spongepowered/configurate-core/4.2.0-SNAPSHOT/configurate-core-4.2.0-20250225.064233-204.pom
  - https://repo.papermc.io/repository/maven-public/org/spongepowered/configurate-core/4.2.0-SNAPSHOT/configurate-core-4.2.0-20250225.064233-204.pom
  - https://oss.sonatype.org/content/groups/public/'/org/spongepowered/configurate-core/4.2.0-SNAPSHOT/configurate-core-4.2.0-20250225.064233-204.pom
  - https://jitpack.io/org/spongepowered/configurate-core/4.2.0-SNAPSHOT/configurate-core-4.2.0-20250225.064233-204.pom
Required by:
    root project : > dev.folia:dev-bundle:1.21.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT:20250613.215508-3

[viral stone]

That snapshot version was lost during the repo migration

[somber fog]

wdym lost?

[viral stone]

gone

the asset is no longer there

[somber fog]

can i get it back?

[viral stone]

you should be able to add an exclusion to your project to not pull that dependency in

jmp said about it somewhere iirc

[somber fog]

so i should add an exclusion for that library specifically?

[viral stone]

yes

[somber fog]

jmp said --refresh-dependencies might work?

[viral stone]

For paper

[somber fog]

ah

[viral stone]

folia would need updating to pick up that fix

[somber fog]

if i get the dependency sent to me by someone who has it, would that fix it?

[viral stone]

I mean, you would need it in a maven repo where it can resolve it

[somber fog]

i'm pretty new to maven and repositories in general, but can't i just put it in the directory it's expected in and gradle will pick it up as cached?

[viral stone]

it's expected in a maven repo, idk how you'd manually slap it into the gradle cache structure

[somber fog]

ok yeah i couldn't get this to work

how would i add an exclusion?

[viral stone]

not sure exactly

the exclusion needs to be applied to a specific configuration so you'd need to get that and add it to that

[somber fog]

can you provide an example of that

oh i think i got it to work

[somber fog]

is /data disabled in folia?

[daring nimbus]

yes

see https://docs.papermc.io/folia/faq/#what-commands-does-folia-disable

[somber fog]

why?

[daring nimbus]

probably because it allows modifying state across regions and its more trouble implementing that than its worth. Especially given that is something used mostly by datapacks anyways

[somber fog]

oh alr

[rare steppe]

It didn’t actually exist in our old repo, I assume it came from some random other repository that we used to proxy

[rancid swift]

Can someone edit the ClickVillager plugin so it works on Folia for me?

The owner needs it for a large earth smp that wont be starting in that long

[fair merlin]

This isn't really the place for that kind of thing. You may want to check out like HelpChat or something to see if you can find someone who'd do that. It's linked in #community-guilds

[rancid swift]

Oh ok sorry

Which server do i join

[fleet rock]

hello, monster not spawn for me

in all worlds

the monsters not spawn

[fair merlin]

Post a spark report please

[wet arch]

you can lower the delay from 300 to 11 since the spark is just for configs

[rancid swift]

Yeah that server is so inactive I wont get any help anytime soon

I kinda need it converted asap

[timber igloo]

I wouldnt rely on hoping to find someone in some random support chat. if you are making a 'large earth smp' (especially on folia!), you should probably have dedicated developers that can do this sort of thing

[rancid swift]

Im not the one hosting it

But the owner wants me to find a way to get it on Folia

And its also not a large large server

It has like 300 people

Its a revival of a dead smp

[fair merlin]

Like I said - this isn't the place for that.

[rancid swift]

...

[viral stone]

We don't want people hiring services inside of our discord because then we have to moderate it and we would rather not do that; we ask that you take such requests to a place which has said that they're willing to do that

[fair merlin]

To which you were already directed.

[cosmic pawn]

Are all datapacks disabled in folia? Because apparently there’s a distinction between datapacks that use .mcfunction and datapacks that just alter the registry. Registry datapacks are only processed on init, which doesn’t seem to be in contradiction with folia, as far as I can tell

But I only learned about registry datapacks today so idk

[viral stone]

Command functions are disabled because global state

[cosmic pawn]

So are you saying datapacks with command functions in them are disabled?
Or are you saying all datapacks are disabled because command functions are in datapacks?
Or are you saying that only command functions in datapacks are disabled and otherwise datapacks should work fine?

#general message

#general message

[viral stone]

I'm saying that command functions inside of datapacks will not work

[ebon sage]

what is mean by compile Folia to version 1.21.8

[deep basin]

guys im pretty new to folia, is there any way of doability to trigger portals to another server in folia? im trying to proxy nether, end and overlord in folia to each have its own server

[livid crag]

Yes but can I ask why you need nether and the end in different machine?

[deep basin]

im going to manage a scaled anarchy server for 250+ online players and wanted it to resource friendly option

[livid crag]

A single beefy machine would just do the trick.

Your end and nether ain’t going to be populated enough to justify the complexity to use 3 physical machines to do the work when one is just ok assuming you are using Folia properly.

If a player is in nether, that player would have a region dedicated to him/her already on Folia.

There is almost zero gain and all the extra works/potential dupes/exploits by introducing complexity.

[deep basin]

I see, I'm using I9-12900k + 128g ddr5 in debian with velocity, as I'm new to Folia would it be ok if i only run one folia for all 3 worlds then?

[livid crag]

Yes

[deep basin]

Thanks you're the best!

[umbral vault]

folia 1.21.9 when 😭

[umbral vault]

well well

[fair merlin]

Hm?

[umbral vault]

i finally found a way to divide the overworld into two pieces

[umbral vault]

i was meaning of sharding...

now all i need to setup postgres and redis

[strong nimbus]

How are you doing it?

[ebon sage]

PS C:\Users\RajathRejesh\Auctions> ./gradlew build -x test
WARNING: A restricted method in java.lang.System has been called
WARNING: java.lang.System::load has been called by net.rubygrapefruit.platform.internal.NativeLibraryLoader in an unnamed module (file:/C:/Users/RajathRejesh/.gradle/wrapper/dists/gradle-8.13-bin/5xuhj0ry160q40clulazy9h7d/gradle-8.13/lib/native-platform-0.22-milestone-28.jar)
WARNING: Use --enable-native-access=ALL-UNNAMED to avoid a warning for callers in this module
WARNING: Restricted methods will be blocked in a future release unless native access is enabled

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

What went wrong:
Could not determine the dependencies of task ':check'.
Could not create task ':test'.
Could not create task of type 'Test'.
Could not create an instance of type org.gradle.api.internal.tasks.testing.DefaultTestTaskReports.
Could not create an instance of type org.gradle.api.reporting.internal.DefaultReportContainer.
Type T not present

Try:
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BUILD FAILED in 1s

why it failed?

[umbral vault]

keyword: seed

😃

managed to run 4 shards successfully

maybe i can increase it

its even enough rn in this condition to handle 5-7k players?

if i handle 1500 player per shard

[viral stone]

probably that version of gradle doesn't support the version of java you're using

[ebon sage]

i am using java 24 uh

[viral stone]

which is basically not considered supported yet by their matrix

[vernal thorn]

how does folia handle mob spawn, is there a difference to paper,?

[acoustic garden]

Hi

Are there any flags recommended only for folia?