folia-help

[primal oyster]

But only for a small moment

It depends on your entire setup

[prime juniper]

that sounds fine considering on a regular paper server it would probably end up affecting everyone for the entire duration the farms are running

[keen carbon]

I manage a server that is completely free to farm and hasn't left vanilla. There are huge mega farms there, some chunks can see 2000 entities, there can be times when the tps drops to 10-15 in that region, but no other region where the tps drops below 20 and it is not affected. This probably depends entirely on your processor.

and players should be as far away from each other as possible

[chilly wasp]

oh, that would be a nice patch

[young burrow]

netty io is in what config file

spigot.yml ?

[fair merlin]

Where is this from?

Netty threads are in spigot.yml but I haven’t heard anyone call it “netty IO” before.

[solar relic]

it is from folia github https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia?tab=readme-ov-file#how-to-best-configure-folia

[faint crown]

where can i find this line? c:

[young burrow]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia?tab=readme-ov-file#how-to-best-configure-folia

in what file

[young burrow]

anyway cant find that anywhere i used find in files search and im not gonna mess with the source code of folia cause i dont need to i think the optimizations i did today are good enough im over due for a hardware upgrade at this point it was planned for end of august anyway so im just gonna buy a new server getting a 28 core this time with higher clock speeds just a maxed out R730XD should do fine if i need to go that deep ill get my developers to look into it

it ran alright considering i was using default configs and over allocated something by WAY to much

and elytras atm are the source of my lag i can just nerf them

fire works only or a very strict speed limit

[faint crown]

could u tell the package where its located, pleaes? c:

[young burrow]

ya probably

why it not commented out on yours

quad core for this is not a good choice

ima assume this is the same line just on a different version and see

//this.broadcast.accept(new ClientboundSetEntityMotionPacket(this.entity.getId(), this.ap));

:sus:

ok

well if you put it on github and i can go thru it then ya ill try it out

sounds like itll make a huge difference

what does that even do

[ripe crest]

hello, what are the diverences between theese versions

[wicked mantle]

Bundler is Paper + Minecraft in 1 jar, paperclip is just the patches and it'll download Minecraft and patch it. Mojmap vs reobj is just Mojang mappings vs Spigot mappings (I believe).

You can only distribute the paperclip jar publicly.

[ripe crest]

thank you

[hexed ice]

mojmap is the default now though, the remapping prevents plugins from breaking

[livid crag]

@primal quail ^ -.- in case you missed it

[delicate lichen]

there will be a performance hit if run mojmap bundler

[arctic tapir]

no

[viral coral]

there is no performance hit

[delicate lichen]

ok thx

[slate osprey]

hello which processor is better for folia server?

1. AMD Ryzen™ 7 7700X
2. AMD EPYC™ 9634

folia adds multithreading so i thought which one is better because AMD EPYC has more cores but lower clock speeds then Ryzen 7

yeah ik

lol

maybe it isn't good

[inner swift]

You're not getting a dedi with that epyc

Is this an hypothetical question, or

[slate osprey]

yeah something like that

i'm not very into minecraft technical stuff so i was just asking if a processor like that is good for folia

for sure

yeah i'll probably won't be

[livid crag]

Nah donut gets better shit from AMD

[primal oyster]

:))))))))))))))

[primal oyster]

you will

[calm fable]

trying to build folia from master, getting this error, error: release version 21 not supported

i assume that master is still 1.20.6 eh?

and the 1.21 dev branch is gone i assume in favor of 1.21.1

actually i just did branch 1.21.1 and i still cant compile with version 21

am i doing something wrong?

[calm fable]

ok i find it odd, i cant compile it with java21 but i need java 21 to run it

[obtuse basin]

Is gradle using Java21?

[calm fable]

it did originally for 1.21

but then the dev/1.21 branch disappeared on me

now i just tried to compile 1.21.1 and it makes me switch to a lower version but to run the jar, i need to upgrade again

[runic eagle]

im using folia for a long time and i updated yestarday to 1.21.1 but im having a bug, i cant craft anything and im getting this error

[fierce knot]

error.txt by @runic eagle: https://pastes.dev/RjnT9aObZe

[runic eagle]

what im noticing in minecraft: for eg i put a oak log in crafting table then oak planks appear, i try to get it out but once i click on it everything goes back and server log says that long error. i also tried in the lastest Paper server but there worked fine

i tried to complie whit patch but im getting this error:

Patch failed at 0006 Fix issues with recipe API
error: invalid object 100644 1b7b07715067014bf3d35002ae1655793248b426 for 'src/main/java/org/bukkit/inventory/CraftingRecipe.java'
error: Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
hint: Use 'git am --show-current-patch=diff' to see the failed patch
hint: When you have resolved this problem, run "git am --continue".
hint: If you prefer to skip this patch, run "git am --skip" instead.
hint: To restore the original branch and stop patching, run "git am --abort".
hint: Disable this message with "git config advice.mergeConflict false"
***   Please review above details and finish the apply then
***   save the changes with `./gradlew rebuildPatches`
Deprecated Gradle features were used in this build, making it incompatible with Gradle 9.0.
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':applyApiPatches'.
> io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Failed to apply patches
* Try:
> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
> Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
> Run with --scan to get full insights.
> Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.
BUILD FAILED in 4m 44s
You can use '--warning-mode all' to show the individual deprecation warnings and determine if they come from your own scripts or plugins.
For more on this, please refer to https://docs.gradle.org/8.7/userguide/command_line_interface.html#sec:command_line_warnings in the Gradle documentation.
3 actionable tasks: 3 executed
Error: Process completed with exit code 1.

[prime juniper]

does folia have the features of purpur?!

[inner swift]

No, as it's a Paper fork

[prime juniper]

yeah thought so

[tidal bay]

quick question, is it possible to decrease the 1k - 1.5k block requirement before region merging to something like 500 blocks or 800 blocks?

[primal oyster]

in tech almost everything is possible

it's not something you can change on the config

[wet arch]

isn't that controlled by grid-exponent

specifically referencing this commit message https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/commit/6928284a5652eb66040166c4ce9ea8f87034bc49

[fair merlin]

Minimum is 900. You could theoretically fork Folia and make changes but it would not be easy. It also would not make any sense because regions would merge too quickly and negate the entire point of using Folia.

[tidal bay]

gotcha. the reason im asking is because i want to host a large scale manhunt with ~200 players and was wondering if i could have smaller regions to allow for better load dispersal

[livid crag]

Folia isnt going to be suitable for manhunt server as your player will eventually get together. @tidal bay

[tidal bay]

Eventually yeah, but that'd be like way further down the line. The runners will have a big head start and the players won't really be together too often. I'm hoping to implement some specific measures to ensure that doesn't happen, but I'm fully expecting it to happen. What would you recommend in place of Folia? Just a super-optimized Paper server?

[livid crag]

I mean it's manhunt right? Paper can easily do it. I take you dont really need most of the mobs etc etc

also is this manhunt I am thinking off...? just a few players trying to hunt down 1 person?

[tidal bay]

well, more of a “protect the president” where a team of like ten people is trying to protect one tanked “vip” from dying to the hunters. it’s on a pretty large scale so

[tidal bay]

So primarily lower mobcaps and view distance then if going for paper?

[livid crag]

Yeah it should really just work

[silver geyser]

[bootstrap]: Running Java 21 (OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 21.0.4+7-LTS; Eclipse Adoptium Temurin-21.0.4+7) on Linux 6.1.0-23-amd64 (amd64)
[bootstrap]: Loading Folia 1.21-DEV-dev/1.21@2b8c879 (2024-08-04T14:43:11Z) for Minecraft 1.21

[jagged ether]

Please don't send jars

[silver geyser]

I have the source

Still cloned

[tall marsh]

So does anyone with the git repo

[silver geyser]

I can Fork it and send him the repo to build

[silver geyser]

Yea my server should have it

[tall marsh]

Anyone can checkout an older version

From github

[silver geyser]

I know you can do git check or revert to older version, was just going to do it for EOA

since the dev-1.21 is very stable (from my testing)

[tall marsh]

Ease of access is not the goal with folia

[silver geyser]

true ig

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[silver geyser]

Will Folia upon release provide older MC Versions aswell or will it be from that version point on?

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[silver geyser]

@tacit tartan thanks

[jagged ether]

I mean yeah

once released the old builds would be in the build explorer

but not below ^

[silver geyser]

Folia will:
NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4

Yea thats what I meant

[tacit tartan]

But I mean, I expect it'll be just like Paper in that updates to newer versions won't be backported to older versions (even if they are past that cutoff)

[silver geyser]

Cant wait for full release

[manic quarry]

60-70C idling?

yikes

[silver geyser]

its 40C here :(

no AC

And its in the rack right below my PC

[delicate lichen]

Don't you think that your server is easily DDoS attacked? There is no protection against this at home

[manic quarry]

just have an off-site proxy

[ashen meteor]

Hi I am getting this error while starting the server: ```
[0.001s][warning][pagesize] UseLargePages disabled, no large pages configured and available on the system.
Error occurred during initialization of VM
Unknown -XX:ShenandoahGCMode option

Flags:
 `java -Xms60192M -Xmx60192M -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+UnlockDiagnosticVMOptions -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+HeapDumpOnOutOfMemoryError -XX:+UseLargePages -XX:LargePageSizeInBytes=2M -XX:+UseShenandoahGC -XX:ShenandoahGCMode=generational -XX:-ShenandoahPacing -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:ShenandoahGCHeuristics=adaptive -XX:ShenandoahInitFreeThreshold=55 -XX:ShenandoahGarbageThreshold=30 -XX:ShenandoahMinFreeThreshold=20 -XX:ShenandoahAllocSpikeFactor=10 -XX:ParallelGCThreads=10 -XX:ConcGCThreads=3 -jar folia-*.jar --nogui`

I am using Corretto-21

[viral stone]

Well

it says that you're using an invalid value

GC mode to use. Among other things, this defines which
barriers are in in use. Possible values are:
satb - snapshot-at-the-beginning concurrent GC (three pass mark-evac-update);
iu - incremental-update concurrent GC (three pass mark-evac-update);
passive - stop the world GC only (either degenerated or full)

[ashen meteor]

Which value should I use?

[viral stone]

idk

[ashen meteor]

Why I cant use "generational"?

[viral stone]

Because it's not a valid mode?

[ashen meteor]

https://cubxity.dev/blog/folia-test-june-2023

[viral stone]

Java: 21-testing

generational shen didn't make the release window

might have been in their testing branch but, it's not in the release

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2338620/java-21-to-drop-generational-shenandoah-gc-feature.html

[livid crag]

You should just get generational zgc

[ashen meteor]

Hi is below-zero-generation-in-existing-chunks: false works on folia?

[tall marsh]

I believe so, but as it says, it's only for existing chunks: i.e. upgrading a world from < 1.18 or whatever

[oak python]

hello am running a smp with folia server and its been the best ever so far i just wanna know if there is any plugin that i can use to give perms to players

[tall marsh]

as a personal opinion (of most people here iirc), luckperms is the gold standard for permissions
its currently got experimental support for folia https://github.com/LuckPerms/LuckPerms/pull/3615

[dense pivot]

i built folia 1.21 dev without issues

i tried running the built jar as if it were a standard jar, it created a libraries and versions folder but doesnt open a cmd window or anything further

am i missing something?

sorry if im breaking any specific rules

[hexed ice]

did it also happen to create a eula.txt file

[dense pivot]

it did not.

[hexed ice]

try opening cmd first, cd to the jar's location and start it from there

[dense pivot]

👍

that... worked lol

i wonder what was wrong with my .bat script

[hexed ice]

oh, I assumed you were just double clicking it at first

[dense pivot]

that also did not work

[hexed ice]

add a line at the bottom of your script that says pause if you want to see whats wrong with it

[dense pivot]

Unrecognized option: -XX+UseG1GC
Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.

i simply borrowed these startup options from an older start.bat i had

maybe not the smartest idea 🤔

Thanks!

[hexed ice]

-XX:+ is the correct one

[golden mica]

why so many region

my cpu is 7950x

[golden mica]

this is plugin list

[golden mica]

nope

[daring nimbus]

thats the "no forceloaded chunks" message.
best guess would be a plugin causing this, don't think there are any nice ways of debugging this though

[golden mica]

chunky casue this

[livid crag]

I mean if you are generating -.-

[humble mesa]

Is the Utilization in this SS all the threads added together? So in this specific instance you are using 15 cores, hence the 1500%. Am i understanding that right?

[cold igloo]

Guys, I have some questions. I'm going to test Folia on my server. It would be good to remove the barriers from the world and remove the mob stacks?

[onyx oracle]

What is the best alternative for Essentials/CMI for Folia?

[little sable]

https://github.com/Maxlego08/zEssentials but not tested

[fair merlin]

@static heron We do not allow advertising in this server.

[static heron]

this does not really make sense because in the github link there is information to buy the plugin, fin bref....

[onyx oracle]

Yeah but it has a lot of bugs

[little sable]

After setting aside the forks, I don't have any other suggestions.

[onyx oracle]

Okay

[little sable]

Otherwise, I've made an updated version of EssentialsX for Folia, but I can't guarantee its stability: https://github.com/Euphillya/Essentials-Folia

[static heron]

I'd like to know if there are any bugs, because if nobody reports them to me, I can't fix them.

[fair merlin]

This really is a conversation for your own Discord server, not here.

[static heron]

I'm not asking him to tell me the bugs here, just to add them to the GitHub. I don't understand your messages.

[little sable]

why ?

Just don't give permission to /plugins

set perm * to false

And then you just choose which permissions you choose to put.

with * to false, he can not tab with just /

[livid crag]

The one that’s still showing is their impl issue.

[gloomy vault]

Every time a villager passes through an nether portal in a minecart it disappears and this error is displayed on the console, any solution?

[fierce knot]

message.txt by @gloomy vault: https://pastes.dev/tv3IIMs90Y

[fair merlin]

@arctic bear We'd rather not have people link random forks in here, since this is a Folia help channel.

[arctic bear]

Oh sorry

[woeful oxide]

Where is the folia download button?

Guys

Help me

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[faint crown]

@woeful oxide

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[warm hedge]

Maybe related:
https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/issues/278

[wide shale]

/gamerule randomtickspeed 0 command not working properly in folia?

[muted sphinx]

hey guys, where do I get the paperclip jar?

[tacit tartan]

If you're looking for a folia download:

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[tacit tartan]

If you're looking for normal paper, https://papermc.io/downloads/paper, and this should be in #paper-help

[muted sphinx]

ive compiled folia and all already

is it just the standard paper server jar file?

[viral stone]

folias build system works the exact same as papers, see papers readme

[muted sphinx]

yeah i figured it out it was a brain fart on my end

thank you though

[cold igloo]

Guys, what flags do you use in the launcher? I'm doing some stress tests here, with 14 cores and 16 RAM, the image test has the flags I used in the paper, and it's without any optimization.

[cold igloo]

Thanks

[charred flicker]

How can I have multi world in Folia?

[cold igloo]

yep with MoreFoWorld plugin

[wide shale]

My TPS is stable 20 but chunk generation is so slow when flying with elytra. Is there a way to fix that? I have good cpu and i use 20 gb ram

its pregenerated world

[daring nimbus]

try increasing the loading limits in the global config: https://docs.papermc.io/paper/reference/global-configuration

just be a bit careful, they are intentionally that low to not overwhelm players on less powerful hardware with chunks

[wide shale]

these are ?

There are no players on my server, I'm alone and the chunks are very slow

[daring nimbus]

yeah, especially the load/send rate

[wide shale]

Is it a good idea to make it -1? Will this solve the problem?

[daring nimbus]

That will overwhelm players on slower hardware, you probably don't want that

[wide shale]

I did it this way and I'll see what happens.

Still not fixed. Almost chunks are not loading. TPS is 20 but why are chunks not loading?

[daring nimbus]

chunks aren't loaded on the main thread, so tps are pretty meaningless there

how many chunk loading threads did you assign?

[wide shale]

I did a tps region and saw that the tps dropped, but why? I have a 7950x3d processor and 20 gb ram, why is this happening?

[wide shale]

It was too slow at -1, I changed it to 5 but nothing changed

[daring nimbus]

no idea then

[wide shale]

I found the problem. Damn pterodactyl I accidentally selected 0 on the CPU pin and that's why the cpu ptero is not using the cpu more than 100% load

Now everything loads at jet speed

[livid crag]

Default should be unlimited

For chunk loading

Any of these apply to you? @wide shale

Oh I just saw the last message nvm

[tulip swift]

why cannot i use teleportAsync()

[arctic tapir]

make sure you don't have bukkit or spigot on your classpath

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[proven hazel]

well how i can increase utilization from 200% to 3200%
i have I9 14900K

[viral coral]

you do not want to set the threaded region count to 32 on a 14900k

stick to like 12 or 16

can be adjusted in paper-global.yml

[proven hazel]

yeah ik just tesing some stress things
but im saying utilisation

[viral coral]

it'll utilise more when it needs to

you can raise the threaded-region count as mentioned above

[proven hazel]

ahh working like that?

okay

[proven hazel]

well not working like that

[viral coral]

you have not raised threaded-regions

like i said, raise it

your utilisation will use more when it needs to

the fact that it is limited to 200% however is up to your threaded-region setting

[proven hazel]

1min

[proven hazel]

well fixed and what is grid-exponent

[delicate lichen]

if you distance 8 chunks, to them added 2 chunks for sync barier for merge

if you have 2 players coming from different sides they need 8+2+8+2 chunks so that they merge into 1 region, approximately

2 is standart value in this property

if they run away, folia split again

[queen solstice]

How much RAM do I need to allocate for Folia?

Will 10gb might be enough?

SMP

Maybe I just didn't understand you because I don't know English and I use a translator. I've already experienced lags at 50+ online, that's why I paid attention to Folia

Suppose I have a SMP server with 100-150 online. I have a R9 7950x processor. will I have 10gb of dedicated memory for Folia. Previously I have allocated so much on paper

I use Deepl

I don't have 90gb. I'm considering a VDS with 32vCore and 16gb of RAM, that's why I'm asking if 10gb will be enough for me

[manic quarry]

do you want more than 200 players on one server?

will you get over 200 players on one server?

[trim ridge]

so your server lags when you got even like 50 players?

isnt that a optimization issue

that doesnt seem normal for me

[manic quarry]

the question here is, why do you think folia is for you

because it's not in 99.9% of cases

[queen solstice]

There's one in Russia

[viral stone]

Well

them offering that many cores ^

[trim ridge]

aee you sure your getting dedi cores?

[viral stone]

you're going to likely be on overprovisioned to heck hardware

offering that many cores with that little ram makes 0 sense, generally hosts dealing with hardware like that lie to tie ram and cores together as nice little slots

[trim ridge]

doesnt R9 7900x got some decent processor speed?

like in terms of single core

[manic quarry]

by itself, sure.
if split to multiple vms, depends.

[trim ridge]

yeah not like making a vm with more thread counts then the logical thread count

[queen solstice]

We've gotten away from the question, so will 10gb be enough for me?

[manic quarry]

we can't answer if you don't answer first

why folia

[trim ridge]

i think ram isnt the issue right here

your hosting provider is sus

[queen solstice]

I think it's pretty clear why people use Folia

[manic quarry]

I'm not asking why people use folia

I'm asking thy YOU want to use it

and I'm asking, because it's not justifiable in vast majority of cases

[trim ridge]

well people often forget that Folia isnt Paper+

[manic quarry]

^

you sacrifice a lot from plugin support

[tepid bronze]

Being a native English speaker and knowing Java are two conpletely different things. Please keep things professional and don't attack him verbally like that

[swift ether]

Hi guys, does folia treat intel's efficiency and performance cores the same?

[viral stone]

a core is a core

that is 100% on your OS to manage

[fair merlin]

Best to leave this sort of thing to the mods. Feel free to report posts that are breaking rules or whatever.

But yeah this isn’t a great message. Try not to assume / be a bit nicer.

[tepid bronze]

That one just made me mad a bit on the personal level, sorry

[fair merlin]

If you’re replying to messages when you’re mad, you just as likely to do the same thing that the person you’re mad at is doing. Reporting the message and stepping away from the keyboard for a bit is a good thing to try.

[tepid bronze]

Did I sound somehow unprofessional? I just wanted to defend him a bit. Well it does not really matter now anyways, thank you for giving me the heads up

Also I wasn't really 'mad', that was bad wording on my part hehe

[keen carbon]

So in grid exponent 2, does the player get a region after 900 blocks? But if we set grid exponent to 1, will the player get the region drop to 400-500?

[finite hinge]

Pretty sure 1 just breaks

And folia is more aggressive about merging than splitting so no, you probably won't get a new region until you're well past 900

[prime juniper]

does anyone know if there are any invsee++ alternatives for folia?
they do have a folia branch on their github but it has a major bug and is outdated

[tulip swift]

when I build my plugin, the folia-supported: true gets removed from paper-plugin.yml , i dont know why its happening and theres also no errors

[fierce knot]

pomfile.txt by @tulip swift: https://pastes.dev/OBOl3SqPJI

[tulip swift]

oh found solution

[velvet radish]

Is it possible to change how far players have to be before Folia creates new regions?

I don't run folia myself, but i'm just curious

im assuming folia has it's own config where this is can be changed, right?

it probably doesn't take that many regions to see performance improvements though i'd imagine? a single paper server can handle 50-90 players with 100+ plugins iirc . If you have 300 or so players, you'd only need 3-4 regions to see improvements

[inland stream]

folia also gets paper updates right?

[inner swift]

Yes

It pulls the updates every once in a while

[inland stream]

ok

[mighty osprey]

Hello, is there a folia with version 1.21.1?

[inner swift]

Yes, in the dev/1.21.1 branch

[mighty osprey]

Do you recommend it to open a server?

[inner swift]

Well, it depends on whether you have the hardware, adequate player spread and dev resources to fix issues, similarly to the other versions of Folia

[mighty osprey]

I have a dedicated server with Ubuntu, Ryzen 5 5600 and 64GB of ram, is it okay or do you recommend I continue with paper?

[inner swift]

You probably want to settle with Paper

[mighty osprey]

So far paper has been good for me, but too short, I will have to open a network but I would like to try folia more

Before, 50 players connected to my paper server, but now almost 120 log in daily, so they fight for the server slots.

What would you recommend we do?

[inner swift]

Multiple Paper servers, maybe

Depending on your network setup I can see a 5600 being kinda cramped

[mighty osprey]

Sorry, I don't understand, do you recommend the network or folia? Do you think the 5600 is too small for the network or for the folia? In that case you almost recommend that I buy an Intel xeon Silver 4214R 2.4GHz, 12C/24T, 16.5Mb, 100W, like that processor because in many hosting they have a dedicated server plan with r5 5600

[inner swift]

I'm definitely not recommending that, that CPU is really bad

Hefty downgrade from what you have right now

[inner swift]

Would not risk that on a 120 player network

[mighty osprey]

AMD Ryzen™ 9 5950X

[mighty osprey]

I really don't understand what is most important in a server processor, whether the cores or the speed of the processor, and even how much RAM is recommended, what I have been told is that spending 28GB of RAM per paper server is useless. , is lost...

The game mode is survival multiplayer, I keep it as vanilla as possible, although it does have several plugins, including advanced enchanted and skills, protectionstone.

Before we used slimefun which causes a lot of lag, although now it doesn't cause lag, except when they are doing things at the same time, I haven't set the tps

28gb

I understand, I'm just not an expert in hosting much less making servers, I don't even know how I got here, it was interest and taste I guess... I also plan to keep this server a little more vanilla although I would like it to be able to transfer all the textures from itemadder and guis

It is a Ryzen 9, I would have to change the board, ram and ventilation, if I could sell the current parts and add something, I will take it into account in the future, although I can't find the R9 5950x in Chile, I was already asking the price, but only They give it to me in the USA, not in Chile.

I am willing to try new plugins that are supporting folia or leave some, it is more to see this option and not make a network

the minimum I have seen is 10 tps

[mighty osprey]

It's okay, I'll arrive a few hours, I'll get home and I'll see how to get a report from the SV.

[wide shale]

When I check ram dump in Folia 1.21.1, some things are still kept in memory by ram and they are not cleared. Why are these not cleared from memory in Folia 1.21.1? Farming villagers and zombies to spawn iron golems causes the server to load ram, but these are not cleared in any way. And they remain there until the server is reset.

[daring nimbus]

You should be able to see what holds a reference to them in the same heapdump viewer

usually its just bad plugins keeping references to entities instead of UUIDs

[wide shale]

I can't find any evidence that a plugin does this. Either the folia itself is actually storing them in memory or I'm making a mistake somewhere.

Since there are too many iron farms on the server, this iron golem memory retention causes a memory leak after 15-16 hours and the server starts to drop. And the biggest reason for this seems to be the iron golem farm made with zombies and villagers.

[wide shale]

I did some experiments, I will share the results again soon, I want to be sure of this. If you make an iron golem farm with zombies and villagers and activate it with the chunk loader system, I am talking about the portal and minecart chunk loader that players make. This is never cleaned and definitely causes memory leaks in long-term situations.

Yes, I definitely have to reboot the server every 8 or 10 hours right now. I will continue my research on this too.

I'm going to do this soon I'm just going to do a few more tests and I want to be absolutely sure about it

This is what I'm talking about. Think bigger than this and leave that chunk active all the time. Ram cleaners will never clean it and will cause memory leaks. I think it's not necessary to have a chunk loader, just staying afk there will be enough.

It can be any iron golem and villager farm, the ones in this picture are just examples.

[small mauve]

The hundreds of Gradle tasks doesn't make this any less confusing lol.

where jar download?! ||/s p.s. I never learned gradle... shocking||

[arctic tapir]

see paper readme

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[arctic tapir]

You've been here long enough to know that we don't make it easy for people

If they can't figure out what "see paper readme", "same steps as paper" then Folia is not for them

[small mauve]

I honestly don't get how setting the barrier to entry as "You must understand gradle" makes any sense but whatever.

[arctic tapir]

It's not?

You just need to read the paper readme

We're not going to spoonfeed people on how to build it

[small mauve]

Which tells you how to build it in gradle does it not?

Oh you get an error, good luck figuring it out gradle expert.

[tepid bronze]

If you don't have devs capable of using gradle, folia is not for you.

You will need devs if you want a folia server

[arctic tapir]

A clean clone will not give any errors unless you have a broken/wrong setup system, if you get errors you can ask

[small mauve]

I feel like I am a good example. I am well versed in Java. Spent a ton of hours working on PRs for big plugins to bring some Folia Support. Provided tons of helpful feedback. I main maven all day. I do not understand gradle very well.

So the fact I do not understand gradle at the moment is the barrier to entry for Folia, where I have already contributed a lot of value and feedback.

[pale lagoon]

I've never done it before, and even I get it after reading the readme once (literally now)

[tepid bronze]

Honestly, you should switch to gradle

[small mauve]

That's what I'm picking up lmfao

[tepid bronze]

Gradle is preferred when working with paper

You even have the paperweight userdev gradle plugin

for easy NMS access

[inner swift]

Well, but what would be the alternative, if not the gradle barrier?

[small mauve]

I am not kidding it's like the only project I have that has gradle.

[tepid bronze]

Bro has never used NMS before 😭

[small mauve]

Still thinking about that lmfao

[tepid bronze]

No way you did the spigot decompiling step thingy

[small mauve]

I figured it out eventually. The paper steps kinda helped but I had some other issues I had to resolve out to get it going.

[inner swift]

A bit ago, there was a yes/no quiz over a small paragraph of info to download older Paper builds, so that people wouldn't ask for support. It was high enough of a barrier to entry that people would ask how to solve the quiz about as often as the support questions

[tepid bronze]

💀

[small mauve]

Maven > Gradle

This is a hill I chose to die on.

[tepid bronze]

Just wondering, why?

Gradle has cleaner syntax, way less indenting, is more readable, you can actually add more logic and you can have gradle plugins (like the paperweight one)

[small mauve]

I think the format of it just comes to me easier than gradle. Plus it's what I know.

[tepid bronze]

Is this hard?

[small mauve]

I definitely need to pickup gradle if I am gonna be doing folia servers.

[tepid bronze]

Btw I say we stop the discussion here. Or if you want to add anything, ping me in #general

This is very off-topic for folia-help

[arctic tapir]

that’s just a skill issue

[cosmic pawn]

Whats the progress on folia 1.21.1

[arctic tapir]

dev branch

[cosmic pawn]

Crazy how it's pretty much only SpottedLeaf working on it.

[outer bolt]

Where can I download Folia?

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[pale lagoon]

You can't. You have to build it yourself.

[arctic tapir]

basically only leaf

leaf is the one working on folia correct

not sure why you’d count some random fork that some random person may also work on

[remote grotto]

how could the "Paper" discord keep track of every fork out there

[cosmic pawn]

I mean at the end of the day any project is just ran by some random guy

Better to have more people understanding the inner-workings of the project even if it is a fork

[small mauve]

I am using the dev branch, seems pretty good so far

I can say from the last 2 months of using Folia. It works pretty well.

[livid crag]

We prefer people who are using forks seek help from the fork support discord. It’s not much to ask.

Paper is actually very fork friendly as we build and provide tools to make forking and apply your own patch easier so I don’t see how you think we ain’t friendly

There are not many project provides tooling like this.

[naive fable]

The what discord?

[inner swift]

The respective fork's Discord

<@&748618676189528155>

[marsh maple]

(66ccfd426ed5010734cf18d7) // @deep falcon (@hy5tr1x / 928416998285787156) has been banned by @jagged ether (451779815415218177)
Reason: compromised

[rancid seal]

You don't

[tulip swift]

any suggestions for tab plugins for folia?

[rancid seal]

TAB supports folia as far as I know

I don't remember ngl.

[tulip swift]

private void loadWorld(String worldName) {
World world = Bukkit.getWorld(worldName);
if (world == null) {
world = Bukkit.createWorld(new WorldCreator(worldName));
}
}
Can i use this to load my singleplayer world?

[inner swift]

No, there's no API for loading worlds in Folia

[tulip swift]

then how do I load a world other than the default worlds?

[inner swift]

The only supported way currently is to make the world be a datapack dimension. Or, there's plugins like MoreFoWorld, but it's not officially supported so I can't say whether it'll work/keep working in the future

[static fulcrum]

Hallo bang

Bang

[tulip swift]

can it load worlds? i only see these commands

[inner swift]

Idk, never used it myself

[tulip swift]

if i use datapack can my world load like normal world does? will there be performance issues?

[misty matrix]

You add worlds to its config

[pallid radish]

is there a 1.21 Folia version?

the one on github is 1.20.6

[viral stone]

Yes, it's a on a different branch

[pallid radish]

show me

[viral stone]

no

[pallid radish]

there is no branch for it.

[viral stone]

Yes, there is

[pallid radish]

i compiled 1.21.1 and it says 1.20.6

[viral stone]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/branches

then you compiled the wrong thing

[pallid radish]

git clone the repository

gradlew.bat applypatches

[viral stone]

Yes, and that checks out the default branch

you need to checkout a different branch if you want to perform operations on that branch

[pallid radish]

oh. and how do i do that?

i cloned the 1.21.1

[viral stone]

you cloned the repository

[pallid radish]

yes

[viral stone]

the default branch is for 1.20.6

[pallid radish]

mh

[viral stone]

so, you need to switch branch with git checkout

[pallid radish]

thanks man

[fierce knot]

message.txt by @tulip swift: https://pastes.dev/NPn4FqIkCw

[tulip swift]

https://pastebin.com/Wa1szXAP

[viral stone]

your connection to mojangs servers failed

generally network issues or just periodic mojang service issues

[tulip swift]

what permission plugin should i use since luckperms and permEX dont support folia

[viral coral]

luckperms works fine on folia

just need to use the folia branch as goes with many public plugins

[peak elm]

Not sure if this is something anyone here can help with, but im trying to run a Spring application inside my Folia plugin, however, when i try to run the plugin, i keep getting this error:
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No auto configuration classes found in META-INF/spring/org.springframework.boot.autoconfigure.AutoConfiguration.imports. If you are using a custom packaging, make sure that file is correct.
Full log:
blob:https://paste.sh/5d027b23-fd6d-487b-8549-88d5bc753201

[wet arch]

#folia-dev for dev stuff

[peak elm]

thanks

[tulip swift]

is 1.21.1 available

[idle furnace]

If you compile its branch

[pale lagoon]

Technically, yes. If you download the 1.21.1 brach and then put it together xD

[wide shale]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/issues/283 I guess this confirms my problem.

[dire star]

Please tell me what the problem might be, the server on folia began to increase the number of regions uncontrollably until it reached 305, the server almost completely stopped, there were only 12 people on the server

 - Online Players: 10
 - Total regions: 312
 - Utilisation: 202,4% / 400,0%
 - Load rate: 9,40, Gen rate: 1,07
 - Lowest Region TPS: 0,92
 - Median Region TPS: 1,12
 - Highest Region TPS: 1,51
Highest 3 utilisation regions
 - Region around block [w:'world',-4281,80,3127]:
    83,2% util at 908,64 MSPT at 0,92 TPS
    Chunks: 4 386 Players: 5 Entities: 1 366
 - Region around block [w:'world',3303,80,3239]:
    25,5% util at 175,41 MSPT at 1,33 TPS
    Chunks: 2 070 Players: 1 Entities: 818
 - Region around block [w:'world',231,80,55]:
    17,1% util at 122,94 MSPT at 1,27 TPS
    Chunks: 987 Players: 1 Entities: 135```

[fair merlin]

What's the output of /version?

[dire star]

This server is running Folia version 1.21.1-DEV-dev/1.21.1@9203a7a (2024-08-18T13:49:42Z) (Implementing API version 1.21.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT)
You are 3 version(s) behind
Download the new version at: https://papermc.io/downloads/paper
Previous version: git-Kaiiju-"aacf7f4" (MC: 1.20.1)

[opal spoke]

my server region file corrupt please is there any possible way to recover i will pay any cost

is there any way to recover from this crruption

[livid crag]

You can recover from the latest backup you made.

[opal spoke]

is there any possibleway to recover from region file its self

[wet arch]

it's quite important to take regular backups of important stuff
(including your server)

[opal spoke]

iknow its too big...

are there any region expert that can help ill pay anycost

[inner swift]

Well, can't help you recovering the files, but consider incremental backups for this reason

[chrome loom]

long live borg

[dire star]

No force loaded chunks were found in minecraft:overworld

plugin list, EnderGrief, LightBlock and sleepcancel is my simple plugins (disable ender dragon and enderman grief, craftable lightblock, press button to wakeup everyone from beds)
could the latest plugin interfere with the server in any way? https://github.com/AndreyKrasnov06/SleepCancel

[dire star]

I know it's asking too much, but could you please take a look at the code for my plugin at the link above? There are only three small files. I'm new to creating plugins, especially with the folia async scheduler. Maybe I made a mistake and this plugin causes a problem

[dire star]

This error only happened once, on the day the chunky plugin was used. It seems I finally found the reason) Folia still has quite a lot of errors, the cause of which is sometimes very difficult to identify:)

[hexed ice]

to use chunkyborder

[dire star]

1. chunky border
2. We used a mod for custom structures and reterraforged generation, pregen map on fabric and then placed this world on the server. We did this for the first time and did not take into account that the server would start issuing warnings "Found reference to unknown structure 'betterdungeons:zombie_dungeon' in chunk [394, 233], discarding" and freezing (100% cpu load for 1-5 seconds) so we re-initialized all the chunks on the server using chunky

[karmic sundial]

Does Folia's world generation work the same as paper? Like if I took a vanilla paper server and did a drop-in replacement of Folia on the same world seed will it work or will I have issues?

[livid crag]

It will be the same.

[young burrow]

hows the dev version of folia rn

Stable enough to not crash with 40 to 90 players ?

[little sable]

For 90 players, you can use Paper

[thorny ivy]

It's stable enough to never crash no matter how much players are on. If something goes wrong, it's probably a plugin fault, and usually it didn't cause crash.

[errant ravine]

it's really stable, I've ran it on prod with 100 players and the tps was always 20, the only downside is I had to fork folia to fix some dumb crash issues

[karmic sundial]

hope you did a PR so the rest of us can benefit from your work

[young burrow]

alr what sort of crashes

[young burrow]

performance benefits with folia my server would lag to death without it

although im considering it for the update for now

since summers over my servers a bit smaller now

[errant ravine]

Won't get accepted into folia, I'm basically folia to "don't crash for a simple exception and let me see it and fix it in my way"

[gaunt terrace]

is it possible to use the 1.21.1 branch in paperweight userdev?

sorry, i mean paperweight userdev

[prime juniper]

probably yes

try and see

[gaunt terrace]

i've tried doing it the "normal" way; changing the api version to "1.21.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT". it is not available in the repo. i was just wondering if avoiding maven local was possible (via a gradle task that produces the dev bundle within the plugin project, or similar).

[prime juniper]

well, the API is probably compatible 1.21.1 so there is no need for separate ones

1.21.1 isnt big update

1.21.2 will be tho

[gaunt terrace]

1.21 -> .1 isn't a big update; 1.20.6 -> 1.21.1 is

[prime juniper]

yeah

for 1.21.1 use 1.21 api

[gaunt terrace]

i mentioned 1.20.6, because that's the latest api version (for folia) (https://repo.papermc.io/#browse/browse:maven-snapshots:dev%2Ffolia%2Fdev-bundle)

[prime juniper]

then you need to use 1.20.6

[gaunt terrace]

yes, if i wanted to work against the main branch. i want to work against the 1.21.1 dev branch.

[lethal igloo]

does folia support 1.21.1 now?

[lofty magnet]

there is a branch

[chrome loom]

build the devBundle yourself and use that with paperweight userdev

iirc gradle task devBundle but im on my phone so I cant double check

[silver sierra]

./gradlew pTML -PpublishDevBundle should do it

at least on linux

[young burrow]

give me access to said fork

what crash where you seeing was it related to folia itself

[mild fog]

tf

why the hell do i need to do dat

but anyway

woah my paper plugin just worked on foila nothing to do

well that kinda makes sense it doesn't use anything but spigot's api and NBTAPI

i do have git

that's the only time i have ever seen that error

[gentle raven]

how tf were you able to use git without running those commands

[daring nimbus]

If you use git in IJ you don't need to iirc

[gentle raven]

what credentials does it use then? some random one provided by IJ?

you get what i mean

[daring nimbus]

if you login with GitHub in IJ you probably use that with some @github.com email

[gentle raven]

have never actually used the git integration in intellij before

[daring nimbus]

its really good imo

[gentle raven]

have to try it out then

[mild fog]

idk

[mild fog]

i do but i also use git without using IJ

[west plover]

Hi! Having an issue, on Pterodactyl it shows 100% maximum possible utilization.

On my PC 400%

It looks like Folia does not detect how much CPU it can use on the Pterodactyl one

[tall marsh]

I believe in some cases got defaults to hostname+ username

[west plover]

It's my own machine 😄

E5-2690 v4 (yes I know I will get many boos about the single-core perf now, kind of why I switched to Folia)

Alright

Seems like it yeah

I mean yeah good solution for 1 server or so, but might wanna host some for friends too and so on

Docker/Ptero makes it easier

Haha I don't like it either really but the panel uses it

Kubernetes

Ah

Trying that

Now we talking 😄

(Ignore 600%, changed it but just have not refreshed the page yet)

300% now

Alrighty

- Utilisation: 18.9% / 1,000.0%

Does Aikar's Flags work well with Folia?

Alrighty

Is that great for Folia? Because I know for normal servers people on Reddit generally say to not put more RAM than needed.

Apparently bad for performance

True

I hope Folia takes off and more plugin devs add support for it later on

Because no one (or at least not me) wants to buy a CPU for $800 or more for a block game

Would this work?
java -Xms$(({{SERVER_MEMORY}}-1024))M -Xmx$(({{SERVER_MEMORY}}-1024))M -XX:+UseZGC -XX:AllocatePrefetchStyle=1 -XX:-ZProactive -XX:MaxRAMPercentage=95.0 -Dterminal.jline=false -Dterminal.ansi=true -jar {{SERVER_JARFILE}}

(-1024 because need some overhead room)

[west plover]

Shouldn't it split this load more than just 1 region?

And this too

[wet arch]

regions are based around distance
if the players are too close then they'll all be in one region

[west plover]

Ah fair

Yeah this scenario is not realistic, was just testing with bots which aren't really spread out.

[finite hinge]

Make sure it's generational zgc

java -Xms10G -Xmx10G -XX:+UseZGC -XX:+ZGenerational -jar folia.jar

[west plover]

How much do ya recommend?

[finite hinge]

30% is a good guess

[west plover]

512 GB, around 20-30, SMP

Fair

[onyx oracle]

do anyone have a working Vault plugin? because i used 2 forks and they didnt work well, for example if i did buy smth from shop my balance didnt change.

Or is there maybe an good alternative?

[west plover]

So java -Xms$(({{SERVER_MEMORY}}*0.7))M -Xmx$(({{SERVER_MEMORY}}*0.7))M -XX:+UseZGC -XX:+ZGenerational -jar {{SERVER_JARFILE}} would be a good start command?

30% overhead

It will be used for several servers, not all may have the same specs

I will put it in the Ptero egg

Trying to port a plugin to Folia

It throws exception Thread Server thread failed main thread check: Scheduling chunk load off-main on this line

Nope that is the physical machine I meant has 512 GB

Ah alrighty

Doesn't appear to be that much dealing with chunks in the code

Just this and maybe some more

Anyone here that wants to help me port it perhaps?
Plugin is https://github.com/Clickism/ClickVillagers

[open flume]

io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false clone --no-hardlinks 'C:\Users\JimmyNeutron\Documents\mc paper\Folia-master\Folia.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper\work\CraftBukkit' 'C:\Users\JimmyNeutron\Documents\mc paper\Folia-master\Folia.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper.gradle\caches\paperweight\taskCache\patchCraftBukkit.repo'

[arctic tapir]

you need to clone it

[open flume]

i did

[viral stone]

use a shorter path

[open flume]

trying that now

still configuring paper, it's getting past that point fine now, thanks

yep, seeing progress. thanks

jippyyy!!

[tulip swift]

would folia load different chunks using one thread

[inner swift]

Wdym? Chunk loading is multithreaded in Paper, I assume you mean something else than loading

[tulip swift]

Then what are loaded by a singlethread in paper?

[inner swift]

I'm not really understanding your questions, the tick look uses a single thread in Paper while it can be multiple in Folia depending on player spread. Not sure if it answers the question

[tulip swift]

so, will ticks in different chunks load in the same thread in folia, if other threads are busy?

[inner swift]

Basically, yes, there's a limit on the maximum amount of ticking threads

[rancid seal]

looks good to me

[novel briar]

quick question, is the region thread count on folia pre-set, or does it dynamically add threads as needed?

[silver sierra]

        int tickThreads;
        if (config.threads <= 0) {
            tickThreads = Runtime.getRuntime().availableProcessors() / 2;
            if (tickThreads <= 4) {
                tickThreads = 1;
            } else {
                tickThreads =  tickThreads / 4;
            }
        } else {
            tickThreads = config.threads;
        }
``` it uses a fixed size thread pool

the default value is -1

[novel briar]

alright thanks

[primal dock]

hi, i just tried to compile folia, and i cant build the project, because it says that release version 21 is not supported, i used install.bat then patch.bat, and when using jar.bat, i have that problem, when first running i have java-21, but it tried to change version to 17, it didnt help
this is jar.bat with --info: https://pastebin.com/nSd0WWYC
my gradlew version: https://pastebin.com/1nJhDSzB
my java version: https://pastebin.com/QxLjPjWG

[viral stone]

error: release version 21 not supported

They're running on ubuntu in the log I see, and something is upset because it doesn't support targeting java 21

[primal dock]

yes, i am using linux mint

[tall marsh]

distro installs aren't the best for java

[tawdry gull]

https://docs.papermc.io/java-install-update

[primal dock]

thanks, it worked!

[mild fog]

All I do to install Java versions is sudo pacman -S jdk{java version}-openjdk and it works fine

Ofc apt and pacman aren't the same but still

[viral stone]

arch moves fast and is willing to serve jdk packages fast

distros like debian and downstream are generally much slower at releasing updates, hence why people tend to use alternative forms of managing java SDKs

[spare moon]

hehe just curious how well would folia perform on a 96 core arm ampere cpu

[rancid seal]

Try it and see (Idk)

[manic quarry]

isn't ampere absolute garbage for single thread performance?

and you still want relatively high single core performance to not get regions with 5 tps

[daring nimbus]

its okayish, at least the ones oracle cloud uses

[tender solar]

In terms of folia, how will it use threads? am a bit confused. at first glance it looks like you're moving the process over to the cpu but I don't see the positive trade in that? at last not in terms of cost effective servers? 😮

[viral stone]

this is generally all covered in the spattering of info

it splits up worlds into regions it can tick individually

[tender solar]

ah, but its not so expensive we all need threadripper cpus I hope 😛

[viral stone]

it's basically running many dozen individual servers

there is a bit of a "it can work better for the lower end if you have the core count, but, that's not really what it's targeted for"

[tender solar]

ok, I'll try setup one and see how it looks on my servers relative to what I use now in terms of taxing.

[cold igloo]

Guys, I have a question, is there any plugin compatible with the latest version, to check metrics?, for example an alternative unifiedmetrics with prometheus.

[chrome loom]

Unified metric’s folia branch should work fine if you build it

Do keep in mind you that you gotta seperate out each region and do tps calculations on each region. Else you’re gonna end up tps in the clouds.

[craggy fog]

XD

[craggy fog]

WTF?

haha

[craggy fog]

You need to configure that

[onyx oracle]

does anyone have an world manager plugin for folia? like Multiverse-core

[young burrow]

so i can update to 1.21.1 and its stable rn other than plugins ?

that flying with elytras really lagging the server is gone now ?

[tawdry gull]

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[manic quarry]

if loading chunks fast is lagging your server, you probably don't have adequate hardware for folia

[young burrow]

24 core server 🤦

it was an obvious bug in early dev builds that led to crashing the server

[young burrow]

xymb you run 6b6t

the biggest cracked anarchy server

[daring nimbus]

yes. but he isn't asking for support here

[young burrow]

im not asking for support im asking a question related to a version of the software support is like getting support configuring it i dont need help doing that ive been running paper servers for like 8 years

and my server isnt cracked

i run 6b6t.ca

a premium anarchy server

meaning you need a minecraft account to join it

so gimmie support and dont listen to the dude who rips off my server from 5 years ago

[young burrow]

^ do i need to send you a youtube video of cracked accounts being unable to join my server

[daring nimbus]

no, I don't care. I just found your remark about Xymb wrong

[young burrow]

ive been running anarchy servers

for 8 years

6b6t.org

is a rip off of 6b6t i ran in 2019

ive been running the SAME server since 2016

under different names

his server is a COPY of my experience i created in 2016

so dont bullshit me buddy

[daring nimbus]

okay. But how does is that relevant to your original question?

[daring nimbus]

^ you already got your answer

[young burrow]

its not but he has it out for me him and his co owner who i have evidence botting and ddosing my server

over the past 2 years their server has existed

because they view me as their competator

thats their own words bro

[daring nimbus]

okay. But this is not the place for server drama

[young burrow]

he did that offline mode stuff on purpose my server isnt offline mode

its online mode

hes a hater and cant stand my servers existence and constantly attacks and bogarts me in this discord for asking for support

[young burrow]

its not my hardware it was an obvious bug where some dude was making the server run out of memory by constantly flying with an elytra and crashing the server

i have 128 gigs of ram in my server machine

64 is allocated

[daring nimbus]

what kind of CPU do you have?

[viral stone]

There was a memory leak that has since been fixed

[young burrow]

thank you

[young burrow]

old yes works fine on 1.20.6 right now ALSO yes

ive seen it run flawlessly with 188 players online

im gonna be updating my old 1.12.2 paper server to 1.21.1 folia

[daring nimbus]

11 years old though, so I wouldn't be surprised if performance isn't stellar

[young burrow]

its perfectly fine for the player counts that i see i bet it can do 300 players just fine at that point i will upgrade to a Dell R750

this is my thing optimizing for old worse hardware to save a buck

[livid crag]

Except you ain’t really saving a buck though. You are sacrificing your player experience.

[young burrow]

im not tho runs really well with solid 20 tps

i have an ssd raid and chunks load great

sometimes spawn can lag a bit with loads of entities but i got a entity limiter

https://github.com/XeraPlugins/8b8tCore/

i paid for this to be made so anyone can make a folia server with common features easily

[daring nimbus]

thats pretty nice tbh

[young burrow]

i make absolutely nothing from my server as all the donations go right back into the server

[livid crag]

I was more referring to the config side of things. Did you keep 10/10 view and simulation distance for player, mob caps etc

TPS is not the only thing that affect gameplay experience

[young burrow]

so on my server donations gets your higher render distance so default is 4 voting gets you 6 and im gonna be making it so if you just keep voting you'll gain 1 view distance per day people vote alot and most people have 6 render distance 4 simulation atm i make simulation 2 less than view distance because elytra hacks are enabled and the storage costs are insane per SSD its like 350 bucks US for 4tb and i upgrade in 4TB increments im sure that one of those folia forks with compression would help me there but i dont like using forks i like to be able to just update with folia and not rely on other peoples code as much as possible mob caps are from the paper chan optimization guide but i have adjusted them based upon what i notice im not gonna lie mostly just following main stream optimization guides has worked i usually have no lag at all unless someone is REALLY TRYING to and my server basically never crashes i do restarts every 24 hours

the highest render distance people have is 16 with 14 simulation

you can notice that fact its sata ssd's at that point a little bit but one day im gonna get some nvme pcie cards and raid them with zfs that way

and with each addiontial ssd chunks load faster they arent slow by any means but with very high view distances and fresh chunks itll take a few seconds

and for map size i just clear empty chunks with mca

i went from 9TB to 5TB with mca

this works great https://paper-chan.moe/paper-optimization/ i made tiny adjustments specifcally for my server like lowering the mob spawn rate cause people pvp at nether spawn and too many piglins is really annoying

you can apply most of it to folia just fine

and i can give people higher render distances default was 6 im just trying to get people to donate so i can fund future upgrades

for a while i had it at 8

it ran fine then aswell

you can tell it uses more cpu but its not like too much for the server i run it on

im gonna be getting a 28 core Dell R730XD soon

moving into the ddr4 era lol

fyi i ran servers on my paper 1.12.2 configs on a dell optiplex with over 200 players just fine

for like most of my servers life

i only updated last year once folia came out i went to pufferfish first and the player count went up so i went to folia around new years

i5 6500 Optiplex 7050

before that it was i5 4570 older model optiplex

and even 3rd gen i5 3470 for a bit

[livid crag]

hmm I like the ideal of donor getting higher view distane. I've seem many server using it with success. Thanks for providing more insights.

[open flume]

i can't start folia nor paper with -nogui tag since typing within console on powershell is very buggy with it. if i type /reload confirm i'd get /rld crm

i've tried in windows powershell 7.2 and in standard windows powershell but the only way it seems to be bug free is if i use git bash with winpty tag in front of it (ai told me to do so) but i'd like to have it work in regular old powershell

i'm running jdk 22 and server has 4gb ram

[arctic tapir]

try java 21

[fast dawn]

Hello!
I have an anarchy server running Folia 1.20.4 in a Velocity proxy. The problem I'm facing is that the chunk generation runs slowly even stopping loading it. It happens on preloaded and new chunks.

I tried editing paper-global.yml and server.properties but without any results

Idk if it's about being the proxy and the server on 2 different machines or network related issues

The server is running on stable 20TPS

[manic quarry]

isn't 1.20.4 still affected by the recent dupe?

and at least one crash?

[fast dawn]

Yea, ik that im outdated xd. I have increased the io and worker treads to 5 without results

From -1

And using 1 o or 2

[fast dawn]

:/

[golden elm]

Which jar file do I run the server with?

[fast dawn]

Paperclip

Second one

[bold osprey]

use the one you consider has a prettier name

[rancid roost]

@tranquil epoch (i hope its a valid reason)
just wanted to say thanks you for your work !

[manic quarry]

not a valid reason.
your skin will be removed now.

[rancid roost]

damn

[solar shard]

Is it recommended to use Folia dev build 1.21.1 for normal server purposes? or i should just use paper for it?

Like an 10 or less people smp

[inner swift]

We'd usually recommend Paper in this case

[solar shard]

I see

[inner swift]

For 10 players it gets harder to justify Folia. It is harder to reach the required player spread, it's a lot of dev time for that small amount of players, and when it comes to the hardware requirements, it makes more sense to spend the money on a better CPU for Paper, as 10 players aren't normally too demanding

[glossy narwhal]

Does it make sense to run a Folia server on a system with 8 threads?

[arctic tapir]

no

[glossy narwhal]

Why

[arctic tapir]

because we recommend at least 16 cores

[glossy narwhal]

Why

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[arctic tapir]

go read the readme and faq

[glossy narwhal]

Ideally, at least 16 cores (not threads).
Well, now i understand EVERYTHING

Why and how

[arctic tapir]

now go and read the rest

you can run it on 4 cores all you want

We do not recommend it

It will not work great

[glossy narwhal]

Thanks for the adequate response!
I'm going to test it soon

[finite hinge]

The 16 core thing is a simple cutoff

Below 16 cores whether it's worth it gets highly situational

Although whether Folia is ever worth it is situational anyway those cases are even worse

[strong kelp]

oh yeah speaking of cores and ram
what is the wecommended amount of dedonated wam i should add to a folia server

https://tenor.com/view/superkai64-wam-superkai-minecraft-convention-gif-14234976

is 16 enough or should it be bumped up way higher

[west lily]

yes the devs don’t know what they’re talking about they don’t know their software!!!

[west lily]

comparing planes to folia is ridiculous when considering that pilots have had formal training in order to fly that aircraft properly - have you had formal training on folia? Where can I get that?

If he's planning on running a server that small, it is EXTREMELY likely he will see worse performance from folia

and folia absolutely does not magically turn your 13tps into 20 like you quoted above

[primal oyster]

Yap

[pearl cloud]

All I did was to add synchronized to all Bukkit calls
Well you clearly still don't understand its implications if the patch looks the same as it did a year ago 😄

[primal oyster]

Well the issue you will have is bottleneck in performance

[primal oyster]

Formal training is thread safety knowledge

[warm hedge]

Senior Folia Operator

[primal oyster]

well

if you run it then you very likely have more experience than people who just knows in the "flat" what folia does

and about this. yeah, I mean technically what kind of matters the most is some API. but if you think about it, in terms of bottleneck, event locking per plugin would trully only be an issue if the plugin itself is a bottleneck already

so it's not that bad of an idea if you want to just have plugins support the basic,
specially if you know it doesnt use executors etc

[pearl cloud]

That ignores the existence of already asynchronous events

forcefully synchronizing db lookups in async events with world events

[primal oyster]

just don't?

[stiff lantern]

where could i download folia ?

[timid grotto]

you must compile it from source

refer to the paper readme for instructions

[stiff lantern]

thanks

[wheat ginkgo]

is folia 1.21.1 already released?

[wheat ginkgo]

I have problems compiling folia

I have windows

and java 21

ok

[limber scaffold]

Our Anarchy server has AMD Threadripper Pro 7995WX / 256 Ram running folia

[primal oyster]

yooooooooooo

can i see some profilers

thats a crazy cpu

[limber scaffold]

Rent for month ❓

[limber scaffold]

But works slowly when upgrading to new version

100 Tb raid of 5 it took 1 and half months to complete to get 1.20.6 and now players can join from 1.21

Too much costly

You run a server

❓

[finite hinge]

You know you don't have to --forceUpgrade, right?

And Paper says you should never do so

[primal oyster]

theres no poiint in force upgraidng your world if you can do it run time

[rugged nest]

in prod? isn't there some missing stuff still? like world managment etc?

[primal oyster]

why would anyone care about that

there's a patch available that actually works to load/unload world, of course it requires you to run into some stuff

everyone that uses folia currently has the capacity to modify the code to their needs

[rugged nest]

anyone? like skyblock servers?

[primal oyster]

there's a patch that adds up the support for world loading

it's not fully safe and you use it at your own risk

it used to be a pr, but due to not covering up full safety spotted closed it

[rugged nest]

interesting, ty 🙂

[small mauve]

@primal oyster back from where I was in #folia-dev, nothing shows the region going down or missing. It was one particular area between 4 region borders that was causing it. Rolling back the regions to a backup restored the functionality. But seemingly at random, whoever teleported there would disconnect from the server and be stuck not in the world but on the server. It was weird

[primal oyster]

they still show up in /list

and if you try to kick them, it means they're still on the region

you should add debugs to the jar

usually that's plugin faulty, you should double check your log about it.

[small mauve]

I did the base minecraft:kick

While in their region too

I also did /execute at player run kick player

[primal oyster]

no

you didnt

because they're not in a region

how can you kick them in their region if they are not in a region

just because you teleported to them, does not mean you're in the same region as they are

their location is yes, on the region you're at, but no, they may not be exactly on the region you're at.

it's a transitive state

Something ahppened in between them leaving one region, and joining another, or, they were never added to one

There should be errors about it.

[small mauve]

There is zero errors about it

That I'm sure of.

[mild fog]

where?

[livid crag]

it would be on closed PR on folia repo.

[young burrow]

anyone else seeing an issue where accounts that are logged off to even velocity can still be seen as online but you cannot tp to them

cause they are technically offline

[small mauve]

Yes yes yes yes

I replied to you in #folia-dev

[arctic bear]

I have no idea why the tickregion gets stuck frequency, this are the thread stack dumps when it got stuck

[primal oyster]

i think its an issue with sort of how folia works

I was getting that too

that seems to be a change on 1.21.1 causing it

try gathering teh code for manageBlock

that is on the 99 but not 103

[arctic bear]

I agree

I looked the source code up several hours ago

[primal oyster]

yea, I have a Thread.dumpStack() on that method

it almost never gets reached

so thats probably why

[arctic bear]

It seems that when it is trying pushing a task into the queue, and there is not a such tickregion which is expected and then it failed to get the queue and then returned false and the load task didn't get scheduled

[arctic bear]

I guess there is something wrong with this method

which made the target tick region which runs the task don't be created or computed into the section list

And it failed to get the queue in the following steps

Also because the tickregion didn't get created or computed

The async checks failed in the waiting of the load task

And then it fall back to use completablefuture.join() to wait for the unreachable task and then it got stuck here

[fierce knot]

message.txt by @tulip swift: https://pastes.dev/LTc6I2ghYk

[tulip swift]

i imported my old world and this happened when i leave the server

[tulip swift]

caused by Bukkit.getOfflinePlayer(event.getPlayer().getUniqueId()).getPlayer().teleportAsync(loc);

whats wrong with it

[bold osprey]

did you run this from the player's scheduler?

[viral stone]

that type of thing is generally down to teleporting a player in an area that doing so causes a desync

that often creates trivial issues upstream, but, in folia where state is more of a sancity, it becomes a real issue

[tulip swift]

so theres no way to tp offline players? :((

[obtuse basin]

did you read the javadoc for OfflinePlayer#getPlayer()?

you cant TP a offlinePlayer regardless of Folia or Paper

[lucid swallow]

Quick question, which version is the most stable for Folia 1.20.6 (master) or 1.21.1 ?

[livid crag]

1.21.1

[fair merlin]

@shrewd delta please don’t post random memes/spam to help channels.

[jaunty cliff]

Experiencing region crashes / pauses randomly, can't seem to find a cause, here are the only errors I get from watchdog (can't locate any plugins in these traces)
https://pastes.dev/ufPkJXrmGP
https://pastes.dev/DCKWmgRFqB

Should be running the latest folia ver on 1.21.1 branch

[idle furnace]

That makes no sence to me. You should do it on join instead

[manic quarry]

you technically can just edit their position in their save data

[tulip swift]

but how

[manic quarry]

if you don't know how, then you probably shouldn't

you need to modify their data files while the server is running, and that comes with a few caveats

for ex. a possibility of the player logging in while their data is being saved

[hidden turtle]

What is ShreddedPaper?

Is it a fork of Folia?

[viral coral]

no

clearly says it's a fork of purpur

not supported here

[hidden turtle]

Ah was just wondering

Thank you

[proud atlas]

I am considering trying Folia, is world generation asynchronous?

Will players in world 1 lag when world 2 is being generated and deleted repeatedly?
Thanks!

[hybrid shore]

It's async even on paper

[inner swift]

You cannot create/delete worlds at runtime in Folia at all

[proud atlas]

Interesting, thank you

[terse dock]

how do I use the lastest 1.21.1 folia version for my server?

[terse dock]

tbh true

i follow the instructions on paper readme and get bugs out of nowhere

[terse dock]

now how to disable the moonrise plugin

it keeps making errors in my console

huh

nvm, it stopped

[arctic tapir]

it’s not a plugin

[terse dock]

well i see

[terse dock]

but i comes with folia right?

[arctic tapir]

and paper iirc

[unique veldt]

it is a part of paper/folia

you cant just turn it off

[terse dock]

where

[arctic tapir]

show the errors

[terse dock]

well, i said the problem goes away

but i still want to know where to disable the plugin

[unique veldt]

huh sorry, I mean can't

[chrome loom]

thanks for the new copy pasta

[inner swift]

You can't disable Moonrise, it's not a plugin

[manic quarry]

just use https://xyproblem.info

[tawdry gull]

http://xyproblem.info/

[tulip swift]

is there any plugin that can let player respawn in a safe place within a specific radius

[keen carbon]

betterrtp

[prime juniper]

[proper coyote]

Would a 12 core server work well for Folia, or do I need more cores?

4.3 GHz max

10k by 10k area or should I go bigger?

[inner swift]

We can't infer the performance from clock speed and core amount, we need the exact CPU model

But 10k x 10k is definitely not enough, as players less than ~1000 blocks apart will always be in the same region, thus will not split the tick threads

[proper coyote]

alr, hold on one sec

[proper coyote]

hmmm, okay

[proper coyote]

Should I go for higher single-core performance then since there'll be more stress on each region?

Or is 10k by 10k just not a possibility

[inner swift]

Unless you have a very specific gamemode where every player will be confined at the corners of the map and can't move much, you will only get 1 region

Which will perform slightly worse than Paper on Folia

[proper coyote]

Alright, what do you think about 20k by 20k?

Btw, if a player travels between regions does it merge those regions?

And do regions ever un-merge?

[bold osprey]

yes

[proper coyote]

So, wouldn't that mean that eventually the entire world no matter how large would become one region?

[bold osprey]

yes, if the chunks are far away from each other

[inner swift]

Regions are not fixed in size/location, imagine they're a bubble that walks around together with a player, and if they come in contact with another player's bubble, they merge

[proper coyote]

Thank you, that's helpful

[proper coyote]

oh, alr

How far away do the chunks have to be to split?

[inner swift]

That I honestly don't know, but they do merge more easiily than they unmerge

[bold osprey]

basically it will unmerge when this can still be kept as true https://docs.papermc.io/folia/reference/region-logic#region-section-merge-radius

[proper coyote]

Alright, I'm going to start with

• 16 Cores (High single-core performance)
• 20k by 20k world
• ~100 GB RAM

Then I'll test it and work from there

[proper coyote]

Actually maybe 12 core high performance or 16 core low performance

[proper coyote]

event

1k player event

192gb ddr5 ram with a 7950x3d 16c 32t

I'm just going to try it out with 20k by 20k and work from there

We'll see how it does and make corrections

I have a question btw

Does changing the server view/simulation distance change how easily regions can split?

I would think a lower view and sim distance would mean that regions can split easier

but I'm not very familiar with Folia

[proper coyote]

Is there a reason they do that instead of taking the server render distance?

[opaque rose]

Anyone have plugins for folia in 1.21 about invsee or advancedban?

[keen carbon]

Litebans supports it but it is paid.

[idle furnace]

You dont have enough cpu power for 1k players, m8.

[slender island]

Libertybans
https://github.com/A248/LibertyBans

[warm quarry]

Is there any way to load plugins even if they don't officially support folia?

Reffering to this:

[00:56:58 ERROR]: [DirectoryProviderSource] Error loading plugin: Could not load plugin 'XXX vX' as it is not marked as supporting Folia!

[bold osprey]

that's not supported as it most definitely will break or crash the server

[warm quarry]

alright thank you!

[abstract pulsar]

I think you should reconsider whether folias concept is working for your environment...I recommend to read the doc again

[timid grotto]

you could manually edit the plugin.yml of a plugin you want to load, however 99.9% of plugins without explicit support for folia will just break something if you do load it on folia. you can try it but its probably not even worth your time

[tacit tartan]

Put another way, it's very intentional that plugins must explicitly, deliberately opt in to Folia. Folia is not compatible with the normal Paper APIs without code changes in the plugins

[chilly hornet]

Hey I know Folia doesn't do releases yet - how can I find the latest supported version? Trying to use jmp's run-task but keep getting Unknown Folia Version: 1.21, same for 1.21.1

ah nvm, I think from the project gradle.props it's 1.20.6...

that sucks there were a lot of changes in 1.21

would a 1.21 plugin still work there?

[idle furnace]

it must be marked as supporting folia

the rest dependes on the implementation

[silver sierra]

only master pushes builds that are resolvable by run-task

same with folia-api on maven

[warm quarry]

Thank you very helpful

[vernal wyvern]

Hey, what version folia i should use for now?

1.20.4 or master ver?

[dry scaffold]

1.21.1 or master (1.20.5)

[lost sonnet]

Hey man!

do you guys think Folia it's stable at the moment? to be in a production server made for a survival style gamemode ?

[naive fable]

i think so

[peak rapids]

does using the async scheduler create a new thread every single time or does it use a thread pool?

[viral stone]

pool

[peak rapids]

cheers

[manic quarry]

one with water in it or the table for a game

[young burrow]

theres bugs

for example have you noticed some peoples accounts get stuck online even tho they are disconnected

too folia they are still online but to velocity they arent

[little sable]

I haven't noticed anything personally, but the best is always to report the bug on github

[young burrow]

how to report a bug with no errors

[wide shale]

[chrome loom]

I have found it happening when we (players and I) block updated ~3-4K long line of powered rails that were all unpowered but needed a block update to the unpowered state.

(watchdog did give a stacktrace for that tho)

[manic quarry]

same way as the ones with errors. describe an easiest way to reproduce the issue

[grim patrol]

hello
can someone tell me which are flags to be used for folia?

can i use still aikar flags?

[tawdry gull]

https://docs.papermc.io/misc/tools/start-script-gen

[livid crag]

@grim patrol aikars flag works fine

[grim patrol]

thanks

[grim patrol]

What is folia bundler jar for?
I ran paperclip and it works fine

[deft storm]

Hello! I pulled the repo of the ver/1.20.4 branch, but when I'm trying to build a runnable task (such as :createMojmapPaperclipJar), I get this error: ```> ./gradlew.bat :createMojmapPaperclipJar

Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.5.15 (running on 'Windows 11')

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

• What went wrong:
  Could not determine the dependencies of task ':createMojmapPaperclipJar'.

Failed to read upstream data.

• Try:

Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.

BUILD FAILED in 680ms```

Could someone help me please?

It seems that a dependency is missing. When I run the gradle dependencies command, I get this output: ```> gradle dependencies

Configure project :
paperweight-patcher v1.5.15 (running on 'Windows 11')

Task :dependencies

---

Root project 'folia'

annotationProcessor - Annotation processors and their dependencies for source set 'main'.
No dependencies

(...some hidden output...)

runtimeOnly - Runtime-only dependencies for the 'main' feature. (n)
No dependencies

serverRuntimeClasspath
--- project :folia-server FAILED

(...some hidden output...)```
Is it possible to fix that by myself? If so, how?

[grim patrol]

any good permission manager plugins for Folia?

[little sable]

Luckperms

https://github.com/LuckPerms/LuckPerms/pull/3615