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#folia-help
fallow stone
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tribal finch
void elbow
I was sent this in WorldGuard chat
viral stone
It's a fork of folia intended to disable a bunch of the safety mechanisms folia adds to prevent plugins from breaking the server
We do not recommend it, we do not support it, etc, etc
void elbow
Ok, I won't use it)
timid grotto
how to have an unstable server
vast dust
It walks the stack to find privileged callers, then disables ensureTickThread methods
https://github.com/killerprojecte/Folia/blob/ver/1.20/patches/server/0046-Fix-TickThread-bypass.patch
I wonder how many times does it have to walk the stack before it voids the performance gains of multithreading
timid grotto
i love how they call them "fixes" when it actively makes it more unstable
hexed ice
not even a proper paperweight fork smh
tranquil epoch
yeah disabling thread checks is garbage
viral stone
reminds me of when HD was becoming a thing
like, you'd be watching a show in SD, and think, oh, that looks nice
and then a week later, when everything switched over to HD, as you got closer, everything you once found nice was ruined
livid crag
Yatopifolia
ember perch
What is folia
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
livid crag
Take a read @ember perch
vocal shuttle
why would folia be bad for powerful but low core count
prime juniper
because it takes advantege from multi core not single core I think
vocal shuttle
we have an i9-9900k 8 cores
why can't a region tick and then another one ticks in the same core right after
viral stone
Folia is designed for a niche use-case where recommending high core count mid single core performance is fine
Because that literally defeats the point
in all the additional scheduling and safety that folia has to do to prevent data corruption, incurs a sizable cost
vocal shuttle
Because that literally defeats the point
that's just given there are more than 8 regions
viral stone
Not having the cores to actually spread that work out defeats the point
Folia performs worse on a regional basis vs paper
if you don't have the core count to support sufficently ticking stuff in parallel, you lose
Folia will work outside of the high core count specified
it's just harder to argue its worth/justification in those cases
especially with the overheads, etc
livid crag
There is a higher overhead to do the same task as Paper and to actually see performance increase overall, you need additional cores to actually win out in the end
void elbow
Not having the cores to actually spread that work out defeats the point
Make ForgeFolia interesting to look at ๐
or FoliaFabric
vocal shuttle
There is a higher overhead to do the same task as Paper and to actually see perf...
yes but now instead of using 1 core I am using 8, even with the overhead wouldt it give at least 6x the performance
viral stone
No
north hatch
or FoliaFabric
That does not sound like a remotely good idea
viral stone
Because you're completely dismissing the sizable performance hit over the regioniser itself
and the costs on individual regions
prime juniper
well making folia with plugins is already a hard thing
north hatch
Based on my testing, the "players per thread" is basically 50% or 40% in some cases compared to Paper with the same settings, even lower
viral stone
having more regions tick at once means you're flooding the heap with more memory crap
prime juniper
every plugin needs to make their own "folia" version I think
viral stone
which means that you genereally need more GC threads
void elbow
I was thinking of making my own Folia Forge, I was thinking of making a network of BungeeCord/Velocity servers, and when a player reaches the map coordinates x:500, z:500, he will be teleported to the second server, if it reaches x:1000, z:1000, then he will be teleported to the third server and all servers have the same seed))
viral stone
I mean, that's literally been done for years
north hatch
That doesn't have anything to do with Folia at all?
void elbow
I would run as many servers as I have cores on the processor and put 50-60 slots on each, total 8 cores = 8 servers = ~ 400-450 slots
livid crag
I was thinking of making my own Folia Forge, I was thinking of making a network ...
Thatโs not how folia determine region at all
prime juniper
well there is a server software which creates server per core and manages to multithread them
but I forget its name
viral stone
hard regional splits is how stuff like that huge mmo server works
and, it works
just you have to be smart over your region splits unless you wanna deal with much more cross server sync bs
prime juniper
well I'm waiting for folia to create something sandbox mmo
vocal shuttle
is there any documentation about how the region manager works? or am I just limited to compiling Folia and looking for my own?
void elbow
hard regional splits is how stuff like that huge mmo server works
ะก2ME mod = Folia yes?
vocal shuttle
not how regions are created/merged
viral stone
c2me is just changing the chunk system itself
prime juniper
https://modrinth.com/mod/c2me-fabric
it is for chunk generation performance
viral stone
i.e. the thing that loads chunks, etc
prime juniper
not per region threating
like in folia you can create a lag machine
but that lag machine will only lag that "region"
not the whole server
void elbow
but that lag machine will only lag that "region"
this very nice
prime juniper
yeah right?
void elbow
By the way, itโs also interesting if you create a lag machine on a folia - will the entire server lag or just the region where there is a lag machine?
timid grotto
why can't a region tick and then another one ticks in the same core right after
vanilla/paper does all tick work on a single thread. you are limited to how fast a single core on the cpu can process that tick. you cant "just" split a single threaded task between multiple cpu cores. the performance gain of folia literally comes from splitting the tick up across multiple cores. although like cat is saying there is overhead from folia needing a thread to manage those regions, and that doesnt include how vanilla already uses multiple threads for things like networking and paper uses threads to generate chunks. those extra threads still exist on folia so you cant just assume 1 cpu thread = 1 folia region
prime juniper
It will be a very popular software when folia plugins increase
timid grotto
By the way, itโs also interesting if you create a lag machine on a folia - will ...
just the region. thats literally the point of folia
prime juniper
By the way, itโs also interesting if you create a lag machine on a folia - will ...
only the region
because every region threathening itself
think about every region has their own server
and all the servers just became 1 and comunicating with the main server for events
timid grotto
yeah, every region threatens itself
void elbow
Why can't you make Folia Forge, for example, or Folia Fabric, what's stopping you?
prime juniper
that's why mob ai is difficult
viral stone
I mean
prime juniper
Why can't you make Folia Forge, for example, or Folia Fabric, what's stopping yo...
first of all there is not much time for people to make it
second of all
viral stone
nothing is stopping you from doing it
void elbow
If compatibility with mods, then in regular Folia you have already broken compatibility with plugins, the same logic with mods, if the developers want, then I will make support for FoliaForge
viral stone
but, nobody in this space is generally doing large scale stuff in a modded environment
prime juniper
it is already difficult to manage entitiy or mob ai to comminucate with other regions I think
void elbow
hmm
viral stone
these techniques are applicable to literally any vanilla server software assuming you don't care about compat with the existing ecosystem
prime juniper
yeah you can create your own version but, good luck on that
void elbow
That is, your code can be transferred to Forge?
prime juniper
I didn't say that for humiliation but
viral stone
there is only so many hours in the day and nobody is paid to work on this stuff
prime juniper
that is really hard
viral stone
I mean, you can't just copy the code 1:1
void elbow
Could you help port your code to Forge if I point you to someone who can already do it?
viral stone
theres many dozen other considerations between the platforms
timid grotto
Why can't you make Folia Forge, for example, or Folia Fabric, what's stopping yo...
afaik, folia builds on a lot of work thats in paper already. its possible to port this work to forge/fabric (and then the multithreading itself), but youd run into the same issue folia has with plugins, most mods wont work with a multi threaded server
prime juniper
That is, your code can be transferred to Forge?
nah can just copy the "way of working"
viral stone
Leaf has literally put years into foundational work for folia
it's not something you port overnight
and he's already said he has 0 interest in porting it
void elbow
Leaf is the developer of Tuinity?
livid crag
Paper has all Tuinity patch now
void elbow
I remember it was mego productive
void elbow
Paper has all Tuinity patch now
i know yes
livid crag
So technically paper is currently best core
void elbow
So technically paper is currently best core
Paper ???
Folia is now better than paper?
prime juniper
nah
timid grotto
Paper has all Tuinity patch now
except for the one that changes the server brand to Tuinity 
viral stone
Folia is better than paper if you have a niche use-case
prime juniper
when folia finishs it is good for servers who has multicore
viral stone
for 99% of servers, folia would just be a performance hit
prime juniper
but if we are talking about single core
like 4core servers
paper is better I think
viral stone
Folia will probably never be suitable for mass adoption
void elbow
I need a core that can withstand on 1 server about 500 online at 20 tps
void elbow
As I understand it, Paper will not do this.
viral stone
The hardware requirements to "win" vs just paper already makes it pretty unviable and pointless to most servers
livid crag
I need a core that can withstand on 1 server about 500 online at 20 tps
Folia already does this. 2b2t is a good example
runic kayak
Didn't the migration drop the patch where you had to agree that tacos are the best in the eula agreement file?
timid grotto
Folia will probably never be suitable for mass adoption
maybe if the current hardware folia suggests become "low end" (which i doubt will happen)
viral stone
I think that was dropped in the middle of an upstream
void elbow
Folia already does this. 2b2t is a good example
I canโt go there, I donโt have minecraft licenses since 2012, I still havenโt bought it ๐
livid crag
prime juniper
oh god
runic kayak
So paper is clearly not the best server software anymore. ๐ฎ || just joking, I don't even like tacos ||
prime juniper
well he is using cracked software
foggy blaze
CrackedLix makes sense as a username lol
viral stone
We can all just agree that tacos are the best food in spirit
prime juniper
yeah
timid grotto
I canโt go there, I donโt have minecraft licenses since 2012, I still havenโt bo...
foggy blaze
We can all just agree that tacos are the best food in spirit
Yes
prime juniper
Don't tell anyone but I use crack
void elbow
FoliaForge it's real
livid crag
Not our software but you can ask them for help
vast dust
A valuable application of the Folia API, which might be more readily deployed, would be a per-world threaded implementation. The existing scheduler APIs would suit it, it would perform better than a single main thread, and may be more easily adopted into the superstructure of established plugin software. Plugins would still require adaptation, but the migration costs would be fewer.
viral stone
I mean, you'd lose the effort requirements of the regioniser and such
but, to be fair, unless you're piling on a dozen worlds, it never really looked to be worth it
subtle oriole
FoliaForge it's real
Forge ๐
tranquil epoch
per world threading imposes most of the issues folia has with only a small portion of the gains it has
vast dust
The only server that I ever made was created with Skript with a handful of minigames. It ran multiple worlds on the same server rather than a network. For sure multiple worlds are less scalable than multiple server instances, but it serves a purpose.
vast dust
per world threading imposes most of the issues folia has with only a small porti...
You'd gain, for instance, than an intra-world teleport event is a possibility.
viral stone
The thing is that most side worlds take a few ms
like, majority of servers whose timings Ive een, the main world is eating up like 120ms, and nether/end collectively are eating like 5ms
Yes, sure, they'd be a gain if you can avoid piling up overheads to prevent plugins/the server mudering itself
but, you're talking that for the majority of servers, the gains are basically negligable
it's really only the servers which actually fully utilise extra worlds, and those are generally minigame type servers in which just folia anyways
tribal finch
FoliaForge it's real
As i clearly wrote, this was an experiment. Mods compatibility is a nightmare.
covert pumice
where from download compiled Folia for windows?
i'm using Paper, but want to try Folia
paper siren
Compile it yourself
novel lodge
then don't use it
what do you want to try it for anyway, it is not yet ready for production usage
covert pumice
Paper we can download compiled, but Folia not... Why?
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bleak python
it's extremely experimental software 
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covert pumice
/folia-accept
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novel lodge
that aside, it requires more resources than a normal minecraft server to run smoothly as well
there is no dl away, that command just sends a warning
novel lodge
if you do not know how to build it yourself, then you'll have a hard time trying to cope with the issues that may arise from running Folia as of now
novel lodge
there is one, it is called bedrock edition
novel lodge
Folia doesn't as well lol
covert pumice
Folia have a lot of plugins too
novel lodge
Paper/Spigot plugins aren't exactly compatible with Folia and considering that there's no promise on compatibility, you can expect a lot of the plugins you use on Paper to straight out not run on Folia
covert pumice
but all going to make work theyr plugins on Folia now
novel lodge
when it is ready, for sure
viral stone
I mean, it's a niche piece of software for a niche usecase
novel lodge
I mean, this isn't the first attempt to make a multithreaded minecraft server either
viral stone
it's not going to "take over", most servers don't have the hardware, the need, or the dev team for it
bleak python
like you
viral stone
the niche use-case for it it is pretty much going to domiate in
novel lodge
I trust that this will be better than the other attempts since it's being made by people who know the minecraft server source code in and out and not someone who took a try for the fun of it, that said electroniccat is right on the fact that it is rather niche use-case either way
covert pumice
we will be like corporations ๐ after Folia start
if you have your own server - you god with Folia ๐
fair belfry
you god with Folia
unless you wanna use scoreboards, command blocks, load/unload worlds, interact with portals or player spawns/logins, or a bunch of vanilla commands
pale igloo
Hey is there a download link somewhere to test Folia ?
inner swift
There is not
pale igloo
There is not
Only available to be compiled ?
inner swift
Yes
past rapids
hey, any idea idea why i get this?
arctic tapir
close intellij and rename Folia to folia in settings.gradle.kts
err
rename the folder I mean
past rapids
rename the folder I mean
can you be a bit more specific please?
arctic tapir
rename the Folia folder to folia
past rapids
rename the `Folia` folder to `folia`
where?
arctic tapir
the directory that you cloned
past rapids
the directory that you cloned
still have the same issue
arctic tapir
did you close intellij first
past rapids
yes
arctic tapir
show the new error
past rapids
show the new error
no error anymore but don't get the output
arctic tapir
read paper's readme on which command to do
prime juniper
Is folia still being worked on? The last commit was 16 days ago
jagged ether
Yes
void elbow
As i clearly wrote, this was an experiment. Mods compatibility is a nightmare.
yes, but it's still very cool. you were able to make Forge Folia
summer fern
How does one set up a Folia server? I've looked on the website for instructions on hopw to do it but I can't seem to find them if they are there.
lofty magnet
it's just a normal minecraft server, you run the jar
inner swift
The build instructions are in Paper's repo, same steps but you just swap out the repo
summer fern
epic thanks
hollow peak
What is the current state of affairs for Folia + Plugins
Like how far away is it from more plugins being compatible or from being the right ease of adoption or is it time now and just a matter of plugin devs doing it
Because I have an interest in testing the deployment and operations of Folia, it's a very cool concept
livid crag
What is the current state of affairs for Folia + Plugins
Like how far away is it...
It is entirely up to plugin developers to support Folia.
hollow peak
Ok so if a plugin dev wanted to do it today they could
I guess the other part is, are they actually doing it but that's a question that's better for the specific plugin devs ๐
thank you
viral stone
I mean, read the docs
theres a few things missing, but for the most part right now it's on plugins
bearing in mind that folia fits a niche requirement and so the majority of devs are not going to bother spending the days or weeks that would otherwise be required to invest onto supporting folia when it doesn't meet the requirements of 99% of users
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summer fern
What are some of the commands that are added by folia?
bleak scroll
is this the correct command to compile folia? I got it from jar.bat, but it fails if i run it
./gradlew createMojmapPaperclipJar
bleak scroll
i just want a jar i can run to test my plugin. would reobf be the correct task for that?
viral coral
you likely missed a step
bleak scroll
what are the steps?
bleak scroll
ah ok, didnt realize it was the same process as paper
thank you, that appears to have worked
serene rapids
can I use datapacks with folia?
viral coral
a lot of commands used in datapacks do not exist on folia
datapacks work fine for e.g. world generation though
serene rapids
so it's better to only use datapacks that only affect world generation?
scenic sky
realistically anything else you would want to do should be a plugin
shell loom
is this the correct command to compile folia? I got it from `jar.bat`, but it f...
also use createReobfPaperclipJar instead
bleak scroll
also use createReobfPaperclipJar instead
I did. Michael sent me the link to the building instructions
shell loom
ok nice
limpid fable
When a command fails to load a class when being run from the console, it kills that console input handler thread indefinitely. Running commands in-game still works though.
finite hinge
Huh, I thought if/when Folia actually gets jars distributed it was going to be using mojmap
It's a whole new ecosystem so screw Spigot compatibility, go for the one that doesn't suck
viral coral
wouldn't be a great idea
you're not going to find plugins that are specifically built for folia, just plugins that have support for both schedulers
lofty magnet
@mods
ok, that doesn't work anymore xD
apparently one can't ping moderators anymore, sad ;_;
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sudden tusk
Bonk
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zealous sage
sudden tusk
Oops I did it with built in not our bot. And apparently the delete one hour thing didn't delete them...
lyric cipher
excuse me, where do i find a config file for folia? I just see the regular paperfiles
I run: git-Folia-"f6e91e9" (MC: 1.20.1) (Implementing API version 1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT) (Git: f6e91e9), if thats important
arctic tapir
folia doesnโt have its own config
lyric cipher
that means everything should just work out of the box?
i wanted to test my 8 core machine and afaik someone said i should config smth because i dont have those recommended 16 cores :x
but as far as i can say folia runs like a charm :S
like a dream which become true
viral coral
if you don't have the recommended 16 cores, running stock paper is probably the better option in terms of performance
rocky lotus
Oh?
So my server with i7 8700 (6C/12T) won't do any good for folia ๐ค๐
Didn't see the recommended cores
timid grotto
paper already uses multiple threads, just not for ticking
so just because you have 12 cpu threads wont mean the tick will be split into 12 tick threads
viral stone
I mean, folia is intended for large servers with hundreds upon hundreds of players
The general expectation is that if you have a need for folia, you pretty much are going to have the donation stream for top end hardware suited for the task, and a dev team as the community isn't going to back you here too much.
You can ofc run folia on less cores, it's just we have no way to define with the beneficial line is, the extra worker threads that folia needs is why the minimum hardware bar ruses from like 3 cores to like 16
worldly moat
Im gonna be honest I dont know how but folia quite literally made a old xeon proccer with a SAS hard drive & ddr3 ram load extremely fast. And that is with locked cores and not unlimited amount
fair merlin
You want #folia-dev for plugin/dev related stuff.
real tendon
Sorry! Will send the message there and delete the one here
outer loom
hello, does folia make mods and plugins in 1.19.2? with a Velocity proxy.
inner swift
Folia is only compatible with Folia-specific plugins
outer loom
okay
lyric cipher
The paper website has some plugins listed as folia compatible. Like for example FAWE worldedit. But if i place it under plugins, it says deactivated. I didnt found the answer if that plugin really supports folia. Is there a chance that the website informations are inaccurate?
daring nimbus
There's a PR with work-in-progress Folia support for FAWE. The normal release builds don't work yet as far as I know
brazen island
When a player tp/reached the region, they will be kicked and temporarily unable to login until the next server restart. It looks like that thread is dead. This situation often occurs, so I really want to know where it's stuck. Is there anything like a Paper watch dog with folia?
north hatch
You could try attaching a debugger if that's possible?
regal meteor
This is prob a stupid question my apolgies but how big is a folia region?
tall marsh
Dynamic, based on where players are iirc
regal meteor
Dynamic, based on where players are iirc
is there a way to figure out where a region is?
brazen island
grab a jstack, etc
jstack seems to be able to identify the problem. but it print thounds of threads. how can I find which thread stack corresponds to the region?
viral stone
literally all you can do is see if any of the region ticking threads are stuck
you may need to take a few jstacks to compare
or use a profiler
viral coral
When a player tp/reached the region, they will be kicked and temporarily unable ...
what fuckin cpu do you have to get a max utilisation of 25600%
brazen island
set threads of threaded-regions in paper-global.yml can get a max utilization of any size
viral coral
ah you're just unnecessarily overallocating
which doesn't help your situation here since you now have to comb through 256 threads
brazen island
i'm using 2x AMD 7t83, it has 128 cores 256 threads. works well (so far)
viral coral
okay you're not overallocating then
lofty magnet
does folia run on Intel's new 528 trheads RISC CPU? ๐
timid grotto
8 cores is clearly below the recommended specs
jagged ether
528 seems random
timid grotto
its like 66 threads/core i think
lofty magnet
math would dictate that, yes
naive fable
64 multithread threads and 2 single tread threads
lofty magnet
why 66 threads per core is the more interesting question
knotty egret
Why is the class not loading?
lofty magnet
provide the full error
knotty egret
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lofty magnet
I feel like this is a case of the class really just not existing
knotty egret
compile problem?
lofty magnet
more like a "creating the jar" problem
knotty egret
I use gradle
arctic tapir
do you have the shadow plugin
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zealous belfry
Hello, I'm getting back into minecraft and I'd like to know what Folia is?
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zealous belfry
In other words, it replaces paper.jar?
tall marsh
Yes, it's a different server software
zealous belfry
okay, do you need to compile it? if so, with what?
arctic tapir
check papers readme for instructions
zealous belfry
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viral stone
dual CPU setups have a performance hitch in some areas
livid crag
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still plover
still plover
ty, ill try it out โค๏ธ
viral stone
the reobf one
still plover
tyty
fallow stone
No commits for a while
timid grotto
and? its a project maintained by mostly 1 person in their free time
drifting mantle
Might be deploying Folia to a server soon, any live servers currently using it?
inner swift
2b2t
hexed ice
yes but no
inner swift
They're still running Folia, they just reverted the map
drifting mantle
OH, thank you - I wasnโt sure
Thatโs really dope then that they run it
Iโve partially considered going with paper and then upgrading to Folia, but I fear will be a lot of faff. Though thankful because from what I hear thereโs now a universal scheduler?
inner swift
Thatโs really dope then that they run it
It's pretty neat
inner swift
Iโve partially considered going with paper and then upgrading to Folia, but I fe...
Well, not really, I believe you're referring to the API being merged in Paper? Though, plugins will still need to be redesigned to comply with Folia's threading constraints (or, best case scenario if they don't use the scheduler at all, update the plugin.yml)
drifting mantle
Well, not really, I believe you're referring to the API being merged in Paper? ...
Ahh thank you, the reason I wanted to ask is that Iโm working on a server concept that would primarily have custom plug-ins.
I wasnโt sure if I could build the plug-ins with that new API thatโs merged in, which would mean I could launch with Paper, then change later to folia without changes
inner swift
Ah, I see
You can do that, but the plugin's design will have to be Folia-first, with fallbacks to Paper which's possible through the new API
drifting mantle
That makes sense, what designs would need to be put in place with which fallbacks? Iโm assuming itโs just to do with region stuff?
inner swift
Yeah, you'd use the region and entity schedulers when needed for Folia, those will fall back to the scheduler in Paper
drifting mantle
Ahh I see, thank you -so far Iโve planned out a chat and RTP plugin. Unsure with RTP where Iโd have to hit with folia ๐
The TL;DR is Iโm working on a Minecraft server concept that primarily runs from Vanilla mc. As in, <10 plug-ins. No kits, or anything that spoils the experiencd
inner swift
Oh fair enough ๐
arctic tapir
doesn't that require you to have a address there?
drifting mantle
doesn't that require you to have a address there?
Yes
Itโs been 5 years in the making to get it, needed some family there to help with it
wanton ferry
Got a bit of an issue that I can't seem to fix. Players go through a portal into newly generated chunks, then fall through the world and everyone is kicked and can't log in as they get stuck on the encrypting screen. Console also refuses any commands and the only way I can fix it is by restarting the machine.
I'm using ncp btw which used to cause issues with players getting fall damage through portals which I have fixed however this happens
inner swift
Does this happen often?
wanton ferry
Everytime apparently
Couldn't ever find the issue and thought it was just upon entering portals occasionally
But according to players it happens when going into loading a new chunk upon entering a portal
I'm thinking of adding velocity tonight and I'm hoping it should re organize the packets or something in some way that should prevent it
Don't really know where I'm going with that but I'ma hope it does something
proper moon
i wonder what monstor of hardware 2b2t is running with
arctic tapir
probably a intel pentium
devout scroll
Hello, folia is ready to use or still under "dev test"?
I notice he regionized multithreading, but what is other advantages and disadvantages compare to paper?
viral stone
You'll note that there are still no published builds
regionized multithreading is the advantages/disadvantages that folia offers
devout scroll
Is a eta?
viral stone
no
naive fable
Its ready if you know what you are doing
viral stone
I mean, it's still missing chunks of API, etc
so, isn't exaclty what we'd deem as ready
drifting mantle
Any folia compatible RTP plugin?
hexed ice
https://github.com/RonanPlugins/BetterRTP seems to be from a quick look but don't know how good it is
hoary raptor
So what kinds of changes do Paper plugins need to make to support Folia?
hexed ice
read the readme
pseudo ibex
Any folia compatible RTP plugin?
Yea, BetterRTP
drifting mantle
Yea, BetterRTP
Thank you so much both you and @hexed ice
prime juniper
How to make a Folia Build without being a computer expert
arctic tapir
read papers readme
zealous belfry
How do I compile folia?
tacit tartan
read the message prior to yours
arctic tapir
Lire le fichier README de Paper
prime juniper
read papers readme
Where is he?
arctic tapir
prime juniper
Ok, after that?
arctic tapir
you read it and follow the steps
prime juniper
Where should I read?
arctic tapir
"How To (Compiling Jar From Source)"
prime juniper
But can it be done through Replit?
tacit tartan
...why?
prime juniper
I don't have a computer
arctic tapir
how do you plan on running folia
prime juniper
tacit tartan
yeah no, Folia is useless on a free host. Just use paper
arctic tapir
just use paper
subtle oriole
But can it be done through Replit?
If you don't know how to compile Folia, you shouldn't want to use Folia. Just use Paper
frank fox
How good would Folia run on my 12C/24T server ?
viral stone
We can't tell you
frank fox
Well, the pins state that ideally, i need at least 16 cores
Wonder what the impact is if i dont have that, but not far from it
viral stone
you'll be able to have less regions ticking at once
we can't really say how much of a hit that will be as it really more boils down to your players
peak elm
Anyone know how to compile the folia version of UnifiedMetrics?
chrome reef
anyone know how to compile folia ? I just want to host a server using folia
exotic stirrup
Have you readed the readme ?
timid grotto
paper readme
wanton ferry
chrome reef
Have you readed the readme ?
where
chrome reef
paper readme
where can i find that
exotic stirrup
Read the channel description
prime juniper
why does folia server have no commands except for reload and icanhasbucket
not even stop or restart work
and there is no help command even though it says use /help if you need help when i use an "unknown command"
drifting mantle
not even stop or restart work
Once you start Folia, youโre not supposed to stop it 
prime juniper
excellent answer
inner swift
Just a sanity check, you're running /help from inside the game and not from the console, right?
prime juniper
both do the same
i just compiled the jar aswell so i thought i messed up something
jade wasp
Why :D
paper siren
why what
arctic tapir
or the fish
buoyant vapor
How do I use the folia api with nms?
I used to have the paperdevbundle with the paperweight plugin which allowed me to use some nms classes.
To remove the paper api and use only the folia api do I use something other than the paper dev bundle?
Looking through message history someone said there was a pinned comment about this in dev announcements, but there doesnt seem to be anything pinned there.
build.gradle.kts
`plugins {
//id("io.papermc.paperweight.userdev") version "1.3.8"
id("com.github.johnrengelman.shadow") version "7.1.2"
id("xyz.jpenilla.run-paper") version "1.0.6"
}
dependencies {
//paperDevBundle("")
implementation("co.aikar:acf-bukkit:0.5.0-SNAPSHOT")
implementation("com.mojang:datafixerupper:1.0.20")
implementation("com.zaxxer:HikariCP:5.0.1")
implementation("co.aikar:taskchain-bukkit:3.7.2")
implementation("com.github.IPVP-MC:canvas:91ec97f076")
implementation("org.apache.commons:commons-lang3:3.12.0")
implementation("org.apache.commons:commons-collections4:4.4")
implementation("com.google.code.findbugs:jsr305:3.0.2")
//compileOnly("dev.folia:folia-api:1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
compileOnly("it.unimi.dsi:fastutil:8.5.8")
compileOnly("org.projectlombok:lombok:1.18.24")
annotationProcessor ("org.projectlombok:lombok:1.18.24")
testImplementation("org.junit.jupiter:junit-jupiter-api:5.8.2")
testRuntimeOnly("org.junit.jupiter:junit-jupiter-engine:5.8.2")
}`
daring nimbus
paperweight.foliaDevBundle("1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
and remove the folia API, as usual
And you should update your paperweight version. You are on 1.3.8, current is 1.5.5
buoyant vapor
thanks so much, does this look correct now?
it went from red to purple
gradle was just working
thanks so much for your help
plush needle
anyone have a CPU recommendation for this specific server type?
do I buy a CPU with mostly Performance cores?
daring nimbus
would avoid intel CPUs alltogether. You want as many high-performance cores at possible, and Intels E cores are not good. And with only P cores you have too few cores in general
Also hope you want to rent, because buying such a CPU will be very very expensive and not worth it
plush needle
Also hope you want to _rent_, because buying such a CPU will be very very expens...
i still would like to buy my very own server which I will manage myself.
what CPU's do you recommend?
inner swift
At the consumer level your only options that meet the min reqs and are reasonably priced are 7950X or maybe 5950X
plush needle
At the consumer level your only options that meet the min reqs and are reasonabl...
i'm going to assume 7950X has a higher single core performance?
daring nimbus
Yes. Though it will be more expensive, especially if you really want to buy and have to consider DDR5 ram and mainboard prices as well
plush needle
Yes. Though it will be more expensive, especially if you really want to buy and ...
wait i heard DDR5 doesn't make a lot of difference? or am i just stupid xD
daring nimbus
Not sure about that, but the 7950x only supports DDR5
plush needle
oh?
daring nimbus
And generally Minecraft servers tend to benefit from faster RAM and lower latency, and DDR5 is faster. But how much is debatable and pretty much impossible to benchmark
plush needle
And generally Minecraft servers tend to benefit from faster RAM and lower latenc...
if i want like a server PC, i should just get a CPU, RAM, Storage, Cooling, Power Supply and whatnot but skip the GPU right?
or does 7950X not come with integrated graphics that allows me to run a command line based graphics that is ubuntu server?
daring nimbus
I have no idea, I like renting servers
Buying is really not worth it. The hardware will be outdated before your investment pays back
plush needle
huh
daring nimbus
dedicated server with a 7950X3D and 128 GB of RAM at Hetzner is 123โฌ per month. If you factor in power costs as well, it really does not look too good. And you don't want to run it at home, especially not Folia with the higher bandwidth usage of that many players. So you also need to consider colocation costs
inner swift
Also additional headache with ISP networking
daring nimbus
Hetzner is a pretty reputable EU hosting provider. NA prices tend to be more expensive, but even then owned hardware will not be worth it
plush needle
bisect hosting charges like $120 a month for only 24 gigs of ram...? or is bisect just a scam xD
daring nimbus
Those Minecraft/game server hosts will be more expensive than just bare dedicated hardware of course. And Bisect isn't exactly known to be cheap, and they also don't have great hardware 
wouldn't call it a scam, but I'm sure they are making a decent profit
plush needle
bruh there's so many of these damn hosting companies idfk what is the best deal ๐
daring nimbus
Also consider if you really need Folia (e.g. 100% sure you have a lot more than 100 concurrent players). Because if you don't, you can also just go for a decent Minecraft host like Bloom and get a 5950X for less than $50 a month.
Those hosts tend to have low core counts though, which makes them unsuitable for Folia
subtle plinth
bruh there's so many of these damn hosting companies idfk what is the best deal ...
ovh has good deals usually some of the hostings rents dedicated servers fro OVH and then subrent them to you ๐
jade wasp
my server randomly stops, help .-.
torn tendon
Also consider if you really need Folia (e.g. 100% sure you have a lot more than ...
never saw someone talking about sparked host, you can get a 7950x (3 dedicated logical cores) 8gb ddr5 ram with 1btps ddos prot for 30โฌ month, isn't it good?
jade wasp
my server randomly stops, help .-.
fierce knotBOT
latest.log by @jade wasp: https://pastes.dev/w85T0Qy2YI
frank fox
Im guessing the only way to acquire Folia right now is to compile it yourself, right ? If so, i got an error while compiling on mac
slim delta
Is Folia pointless if I have a worldborder with Chunky to pregenerate all chunks on all worlds
timid grotto
depends on how big those worlds are
folia is only creates multiple regions in a world if there is enough space between players
slim delta
Are regions 512x512 areas like normal minecraft?
slim delta
So, Folia will run significantly better at a high thread low GHz CPU
timid grotto
single core performance still matters
you needs lots of powerful cores
more cores means more regions, but if the cores are just all slow, all regions will lag anyways
slim delta
Does this mean Folia can utilize the allocated CPU (say 600%) of a high-end CPU properly, which otherwise wouldn't be utilized properly due to single threaded nature
viral coral
you should still use a high end cpu for folia
not some dinosaur CPU with bad single threaded performance
dense acorn
What the minimum requirements for Folia?
fallow stone
What the minimum requirements for Folia?
None but there are recommended cpu requirements on the readme
inner swift
This is relatively unexplored territory so there's more of a "recommended minimum" than a hard minimum, but 16 cores (not SMT cores or efficiency cores) of a not too bad single threaded perf CPU
fallow stone
This is relatively unexplored territory so there's more of a "recommended minimu...
What this dood said
dense acorn
If i use a CPU with 16 cores + 6 gb ram, will you think it's good enough for 32 render + simulation distance with 20 people?
inner swift
Depends on the CPU and how separated they are
I'm kind of concerned about that amount of RAM for 32 render distance
dense acorn
Oh yeah, + Aikar Flag
dense acorn
I'm kind of concerned about that amount of RAM for 32 render distance
Is 10gb sound promising?
inner swift
Sounds reasonable
dense acorn
Good enough
plush needle
did anyone experiment with a lower end CPU? like one with maybe 4 or 8 cores?
scenic sky
you'd be shooting yourself in the foot doing that
dense acorn
did anyone experiment with a lower end CPU? like one with maybe 4 or 8 cores?
I tried that (I have 8 cores)
dense acorn
Lol
paper siren
those other cores will still have enough to do, GC, compiler threads, file io, netty threads, etc
that's why the recommendation is to have at least 16 cores
blazing bough
If I'm right Paper already uses about 4 cores. So running Folia on 4 is just all the overhead with none of the gains.
Like they said!
fossil vigil
Im guessing the only way to acquire Folia right now is to compile it yourself, r...
error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:
src/main/java/org/bukkit/enchantments/Enchantment.java
src/main/java/org/bukkit/enchantments/EnchantmentWrapper.java
Please commit your changes or stash them before you merge.
looks like you edited some files
frank fox
```
error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by mer...
nope. Not manually at least
fossil vigil
then do a git reset HEAD --hard
and git submodule update --init
should reset everything
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
โ ๏ธ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.
tropic otter
What is the cmd to build folia? I don't remembee
arctic tapir
read paper's readme
tropic otter
Ok
vernal wyvern
arctic tapir
pale igloo
Hey I was wondering how close was folia for a public release if there is a %
hexed ice
there's never an ETA
pale igloo
Ok ๐
keen fable
Hey! someone else got that strange bug where maps get reset ?
daring nimbus
"lower end CPU" as they said
fallow stone
Fast async world edit supports 1.19.4 folia but what about 1.20
rugged current
try it?
viral stone
pretty sure they have a branch or something you can compile
fallow stone
Ok
dense acorn
bruh just 1 player and already???
idk lmao
I'll wait till the host migrate me to better server in the future xD
plush needle
I'll wait till the host migrate me to better server in the future xD
Yea idfk whatโs wrong with ur server Iโm rocking a 7 year old gaming PC with only 4 cores and even that performs better ๐
quartz tapir
there is some reason that causes java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: null when I add Bukkit.getScheduler() in my code
it happens when my server running in folia latest version
is there any way to fix it lol
inner swift
Yes, Folia replaces the scheduler
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
quartz tapir
Yes, Folia replaces the scheduler
What should I replace for "Bukkit.getScheduler()"?
inner swift
This information is available in the first link of the embed I sent. It's recommended to read about Folia's changes to the API before trying to develop for it
quartz tapir
got it ty
potent flame
Is it possible to update from Paper to Folia?, or everything would be lost?,
Would that be recommended with 16 cores?
sly elm
Is it possible to update from Paper to Folia?, or everything would be lost?,
W...
generally a few things to consider:
- are you looking at very high player counts on a single server (e.g. 100+)
- are you able to switch to using only plugins that support folia or make your own
if not, probably still fine using paper, otherwise folia might make sense
potent flame
generally a few things to consider:
- are you looking at very high player counts...
Ouh :'(
Don't tell me Paper plugins aren't compatible with Folia!!!, I fell in love with the idea of Folia when i saw a video on march
quaint ingot
Ouh :'(
Don't tell me Paper plugins aren't compatible with Folia!!!, I fell in ...
Some might, but most theyโll most likely break
tacit tartan
That's not accurate. Folia is explicitly not compatible with Paper plugins by default, plugins must tell the server that they work with folia.
The entire reason folia is a separate project is it's impossible to do it's optimizations without changing some of the core API, breaking damn near every plugin. A very small handful of plugins might just need to add the "works on folia" flag to the plugin and do no code changes, but most plugins will need to do at least a bit of code changes in order to work on Folia.
(The good news is, as far as I know, the non-breaking API changes Folia makes have been pushed back upstream to Paper so it's possible for plugins to be compatible with both folia and paper in a single jar, but don't quote me on that)
devout zephyr
does redstone work on folia? What if different components are on different ticking regions?
jagged ether
does redstone work on folia? What if different components are on different ticki...
Redstone won't cross regions
devout zephyr
gotcha
tall marsh
I mean if the chunks are loaded so they connect, they would be in the same region anyway, right?
jagged ether
I mean if the chunks are loaded so they connect, they would be in the same regio...
Yup
If you'd go close enough for someone loading the redstone hundreds of thousands blocks away it'd merge
sleek sigil
how could I compile folia?
hexed ice
see the paper readme for compile instructions
sleek sigil
see the paper readme for compile instructions
you mean this one?
https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/blob/master/README.md
hexed ice
yes
weary escarp
Does anyone know how to find folia regions and identify them in game without op?
tall marsh
In console do op <your name> /s
coarse prawn
Hello, is there something wrong with running the server on the engine "Folia" on dual xeons E5-2699 V3?
inner swift
Well, their single threaded performance is really weak
That means you would need to keep things in an individual region to a minimum
coarse prawn
Epyc from folia test also have weaker single core
livid crag
They are definitely not on the same tier lol
coarse prawn
Yeah but single core bearly same lol
coarse prawn
Edit. Not bearly, significantly
past dagger
How would one go about finding out if a server is running on folia?
Idk if this is the right place to ask
hexed ice
press f3 and see if it says folia
past dagger
press f3 and see if it says folia
What if the server owner is using velocity?
hexed ice
it will say folia (velocity) then
past dagger
Ok, so it's just running paper then?
livid crag
Who knows... you can just ask server owners
The branding can be changed anyway if one really wish.
past dagger
I guess if it's just velocity that means paper
past dagger
Who knows... you can just ask server owners
The branding can be changed anyway i...
Is there anything specific about a folia server that you can see ingame?
that would differiate it from paper?
livid crag
You can go to issue tab on GH and try to reproduce the bug that only exist in Folia on the say server.
You can also build a confirmed working lag machine and bring the tps down to 1 and see if it affact other regions
You can also just ask the server owner...
past dagger
You can go to issue tab on GH and try to reproduce the bug that only exist in Fo...
I'll give it a try
thx
west lily
Would folia be a good fit for a slower clock speed CPU so it can make full use of all the cores, instead of lag while using 2/3?
tawdry gullBOT
โ ๏ธ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.
half sorrel
Well, thanks โค๏ธ
uneven hound
Hello, does anyone have any idea how many players can handle a dual xeon with 36 cores and 72 threads? (E5-2695 v4) 
plush needle
does folia inherit all the patches that comes from paper? (i.e. item dupe patches, exploits, etc)
viral coral
yes
plush needle
hate to be that guy but is there a known fork that unpatches the dupe patches? I want my server to be more vanilla while still keeping the server crash exploits and performance boosts...
viral coral
probably not
void quiver
hate to be that guy but is there a known fork that unpatches the dupe patches? I...
well you can certainly revert the commits containig the patches
plush needle
well you can certainly revert the commits containig the patches
i kinda expected that... so how should I unpatch whatever I need, and then also turn it into a folia server?
inner swift
You'll need a good knowledge of Java, the patching system and the internals of a MC server and look through the patches to edit/remove the ones you don't want
viral coral
alternatively just run fabric
plush needle
actually, say what, does C2ME do the same thing that folia does but also keeps it vanilla?
viral coral
no
if you're not expecting many players
just run fabric if you value your vanilla mechanics & dupes
plush needle
were there tests to see if paper performs better than fabric with the mainstream performance mods
late shale
Is there any plugin for scripting like Denizen, Skript, or Actions with Folia support available?
void quiver
|| god save us from the funky scripting tools made for minecraft ||
timid grotto
Is there any plugin for scripting like Denizen, Skript, or Actions with Folia su...
learn java and make a plugins. plugins like skript are slow on paper already, so you would be throwing away the performance folia gets you
lavish fjord
Skript has an experimental build in works from limeglass but dont expect anything anytime soon
late shale
learn java and make a plugins. plugins like skript are slow on paper already, so...
Alright, I'll try to learn Kotlin, and I'd like to write a plugin for Folia. Is there a significant difference between writing plugins for Folia and Bukkit? What's the easiest path to learn how to write Folia plugins? As for programming, I only have amateur experience with Go
inner swift
The differences are mostly down to the schedulers and what goes on in which thread (In Bukkit, a lot of things happen in the main thread, in Folia there's not this assumption)
The Folia docs will give you a good start
digital ruin
i wan't compile folia, but got error when use ./gradlew applyPatches
viral stone
see the log file
digital ruin
viral coral
there's your issue ^
digital ruin
my issue is '^'?
arctic tapir
1 player
late shale
still more than 20tps
arctic tapir
catch up
thin snow
Is there any plugin for scripting like Denizen, Skript, or Actions with Folia su...
I mean I could try to make an assembly inspired skripting language but idk how useful that'd bed
viral stone
I mean, doesn't even need to be catch up, computers just kinda suck at maths
formal shuttle
hi does anyone here know a list of plugins that run on folia? I've looked everywhere but haven't found anything. wanted to create a 1.20 SMP server on Pterodactyl with folia. Everything works so far, I just have a few plugin problems
I initially thought that the plugin list was on the folia website. it does more or less
arctic tapir
what kind of hardware do you have
formal shuttle
what kind of hardware do you have
I7 32gb ram
I used purpur Mc before
I did a test yesterday folia is faster for me than purple Mc
A lot btw
The plan is to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 or Intel Xeon soon
formal shuttle
which ryzen
Ryzen 9 7950X3D
formal shuttle
a i7 is not enough for folia youโre better of using paper with that
K
finite hinge
Well, if you configure things so you get more than one region thread Folia might still be an improvement
If you have one annoying player off by themselves dragging the rest of the server down Folia can make them only kill their own experience at the cost of making the rest of the server slightly slower than it would be if you were on Paper and that person didn't exist
tawdry gullBOT
โ ๏ธ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
eternal juniper
i have this problem when i open jar.bat, how can i fix it?
arctic tapir
you need to apply patches
noble flower
I know this isn't super relevant here, but does anyone know where id find dirtyfolia support?
arctic tapir
not here
jagged ether
We have no idea who that even is or who makes it
noble flower
alright, thanks
noble flower
ofc ofc
noble flower
Open an issue on GitHub if you can't find their support place
Where do I find this stuff in actual folia?
Ir is it all startup arg based?
mossy roost
hello im having issues with running my folia build
no main manifest attribute, in server.jar im very lost on where to fix it as this is a clean folia clone
hexed ice
follow the compile instructions in the paper readme
arctic tapir
wrong jar
mossy roost
ok ill try it thanks
applying the patch has an error
`F:\Downloads\Folia-master\Folia-master\Folia>gradlew applyPatches
Task :paper:patchSpigotApi FAILED
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
- What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchSpigotApi'.
io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false fetch upstream --prune`
mossy roost
F:\Downloads\Folia-master\Folia-master\Folia>gradlew applyPatches
Task
patchSpigotApi FAILED
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
- What went wrong:
Execution failed for task 'patchSpigotApi'.
io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false fetch upstream --prune
- Try:
Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.
BUILD FAILED in 1m 8s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed
F:\Downloads\Folia-master\Folia-master\Folia>
mossy roost
i cloned it in a second ago tho?
hexed ice
downloading the zip isn't the same as cloning, as it doesn't include the git repo
mossy roost
clone folia again or paper?
viral stone
Try a shorter path
hexed ice
you'll also want to do it in F: itself
mossy roost
ok ill try clone just in F
damn
`F:\Folia>gradlew applyPatches
Task
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
- What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchSpigotApi'.
io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false fetch upstream --prune
- Try:
Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
Get more help at https://help.gradle.org.
BUILD FAILED in 58s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed
F:\Folia>`
mossy roost
ok ill try wsl rq
hexed ice
or use one of the suggested flags to get more info
mossy roost
Thank you guys very much wsl did work ๐
fallow stone
What's more stable 1.19.4 or 1.20.1?
eternal juniper
does the folia server decrease spawn number of mob and animals?
finite hinge
Folia removes the per-player spawn limit option as that was a bit of a hack and doesn't play well with multiple regions. Instead it has per-region spawn limits which, if you had every player in their own region, would get you more spawns
But if you have multiple players in the same region you get the old behavior of one player being able to suck up all the spawning slots
kind narwhal
But if you have multiple players in the same region you get the old behavior of ...
is there a way to prevent that
viral stone
without basically restoring per-player, not really
spawning on servers really just needs replacing, but 
kind narwhal
Yeah... I'm gonna pray for the spawning
I hope some genius comes and develops a good spawning system
I also hate the new natural spawning after 1.18
livid crag
The issue is the moment it isnโt exactly vanilla, people will whine and complain lol
finite hinge
is there a way to prevent that
Spread out more ๐
kind narwhal
ฤฐs there a stacker, spawner, crate plugin that supports folia?
true ether
So I have a 16 Core 32 thread 5950x cpu is it good enough?
because on the website it says 16 cores recommended
arctic tapir
the cpu will probably work yes, but there are also other factors
true ether
Like the clock?
arctic tapir
i meant how far your players are from each other
and whether youโll only run folia on it etc
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
novel gorge
๐ Hey ! I seem to have issues with my build of folia, as it cant contact authentification servers when it launches, making it unplayable with online-mode activated. I say with folia, cause i tried to launch other server software (purpur & paper on the same machine and with the same ip) and they were working perfectly, so i dont know why folia is the only server software having this issues. Does someone knows why its happening ?
arctic tapir
send logs
novel gorge
sometimes it launches without having the error, but you can connect only once onto the server before having the issues
fierce knotBOT
sometimes it launches without having the error, but you can connect only once on...
latest.log by @novel gorge: https://pastes.dev/vNF9ME304w
novel gorge
can get more logs if needed, tried this morning (1am french time), and got the same issues
viral stone
I mean, it's just a typical network issue; folia has pretty much 0 bearing on that
novel gorge
I mean, it's just a typical network issue; folia has pretty much 0 bearing on th...
The problem with that is that it only happens with folia
viral stone
Folia has 0 bearing on that
novel gorge
The problem with that is that it only happens with folia
Tried with paper and it works
novel gorge
Folia has 0 bearing on that
Then what would be causing the issue ?
viral stone
Mojang opened a connection using the jdks built in APIs, which went through your OSes methods to open a connection and fetch a response
that connection timed out
Idk, idk your setup, but that is not and cannot be a folia issue
stuff like that is generally more being bitten by stale DNS with mojangs services domains
novel gorge
Idk, idk your setup, but that is not and cannot be a folia issue
then if its not a folia issue, what is the problem here ? I'm posting here cause this problem only happens with folia. Launched a paper server right now and it worked perfectly fine, no error with the authentification servers, being able to disconnect and to reconnect more than one time
viral stone
All I can tell you is what the JVM itself is telling you
a connection to mojangs services timed out
novel gorge
a connection to mojangs services timed out
do you have any ideas on what could cause that then ?
viral stone
No idea, depends on the hosting environment
novel gorge
Selfhosted proxmox VM, getting internet from a Router VM which has a network interface plugged into the vm to have it get out on another virtualized router with a different ip
viral stone
People elsewhere are suggesting that the auth servers in general are having issues
novel gorge
why would it work perfectly with paper then ?
That's the thing i cant understand : on the same machine, at the same time, i launched a folia server, who cant connect to authentification servers, i then launched a paper onee and it works perfectly fine
viral stone
No idea, but it's generally 100% our of our remit
novel gorge
remit?
viral stone
folia just relies on mojangs code which makes a call through javas API, something we don't control, to mojangs services, something we don't control, over your hardware/network setup, which we don't control
Basically, we can't really support you with this; all we see is a general network failure
novel gorge
iguess i'll use paper then ๐คท cause it works perfectly x)
thanks for trying to help me
paper scroll
What is currently the max number of players on folia?
livid crag
What do you mean by this
viral stone
probs the player record
Given that we have no way to verify anything, best we could say is "whatever 2b2t did"
azure badge
Do we now if there will be a new public test before the end of the year ?
livid crag
There is nothing planned
Make sure to like and subscribe to #announcements if you donโt want to miss anything
quaint ingot
Make sure to like and subscribe to <#492517675680006144> if you donโt want to mi...
How do you like a channel tho 
neat rampart
Would Folia help we with large Player amount
Like 200 players civilization Events
foggy blaze
Would Folia help we with large Player amount
Like 200 players civilization Even...
if those players are super spread out, then yeah it could possible be a good solution. Make sure you have a server/system powerful enough to host it tho
neat rampart
Yea I'm using Ryzen 7950x3d
And for the civilization event it would be spread out per island
neat rampart
if those players are super spread out, then yeah it could possible be a good sol...
How much of a boost would Folia give?
Like at event start it was rough on paper
But later when players started to die it was more stable
jagged ether
How much of a boost would Folia give?
Regions will have their own main threads
So one region lagging won't lag another
It's all basically try and see
neat rampart
time so summon players and destroy it
inner swift
And for the civilization event it would be spread out per island
Given your hardware and your use case (of course, assuming islands will be more than ~2000 blocks apart), what I can say is that it sounds adequate to use Folia
No promises, though
neat rampart
Hmm 2000 blocks would be quite far
inner swift
If all your players are within 1500 blocks of each other, they're guaranteed to be in the same region, so Folia would perform worse than Paper
neat rampart
Well like ne and sw would not be in the same region
inner swift
I suppose if you have 4/8 groups separated far from each other, could be worth the try
finite hinge
Well like ne and sw would not be in the same region
If the ne corner of the sw region and the sw corner of the ne region are within 1500 blocks of each other they'll merge
And then cascade through any players within 1500 blocks of any of the players in that region and so on
daring nimbus
Might be easier to run each island on its own server and then simply switch servers at the borders. Creates a short dirt screen of course but if that's in the middle of nowhere in the ocean it's probably not a big deal
raven hare
What procesor i need for map size 2mlnX2mln bลocks? (Normal_World + x2Nether + x2The End) + 130Plugins + 200players?
unique quail
I can't build folia for shit I'm stupid or something
If someone could tell me how it would be nice
prime juniper
what is min folia region size?
unique quail
I get this output when doing the command on the last line
viral stone
the compile failed for some reason
make sure that you're running the operations on a sane filesystem, etc
unique quail
make sure that you're running the operations on a sane filesystem, etc
I'm in a drive directory
In this pic
And sorry for the ping I didn't see your name
A lot of things were removed
unique quail
Man this is really frustrating
viral coral
what filesystem are you using
unique quail
Nah that's another hard drive
If I were on windows I'd be in D:/Folia or something
Idk why it adds that to it
viral coral
what exactly is your setup here because aslong as you're on a sane linux setup you should be able to just git clone, ./gradlew applypatches, ./gradlew createReobfBundlerJar
unique quail
I was able to applypatches
That last one no
Lemme see rq
Basic data partition
Raid 0
I have 2 600 gig drives
This is one of em
@viral coral
viral coral
can you not send screenshots with a resolution of 640x480 or whatever it is
unique quail
My bad
viral coral
that also screams NTFS filesystem considering the windows file structure on there
which is the one thing you'd want to avoid on linux
no idea what cursed setup you're running here but don't do that
viral coral
reproduce on a sane ext4 drive and it'd probably be fine
viral coral
"failed to create parent directory"
i once again question your server setup
this isn't a folia issue, this is just gradle breaking because you're presumably running it on some weird setup considering the 640x480 remote desktop screenshots & filesystem paths
either you have no permissions, bad file system or something else is going on
unique quail
either you have no permissions, bad file system or something else is going on
It was no permission
I add sudo at the start and it fixes everything ๐
livid crag
couldโve just run everything as root to begin with (no donโt do this)
unique quail
It worked yippee
opaque mortar
Ive seen the 16c 32t requirement but i just figured id ask.
Im running a Ryzen 3700x which is 8c 16t, with 128GB memory.
My server peaks at around 20 players, spread out around the map, but very many of them heavily build farms, and big ones.
I really dont want to have to limit any vanilla features unless I have to, which is why I am asking if Folia might work my server.
Thanks in advance ๐
On Paper we frequently drop to ~15TPS.
viral stone
I mean, folia will work
as for how well, nobody can say for your specific env, etc, etc
shitting itself on 20 players is not a good sign, however
folia splits stuff up into what are essentially invidiaul servers
but, those individual regions come with a chunk of overheads, etc
opaque mortar
I see. I might just have to give it a go then. ๐
Thanks for your reply
Damn villagers taking up half the tick time sometimes. ๐
livid crag
I see. I might just have to give it a go then. ๐
Thanks for your reply
You can read this blog post if you like to get some insights on things to look out for.
https://cubxity.dev/blog/folia-test-june-2023
opaque mortar
Yup, I read that before posting ๐. A way beefier CPU. I don't think Im investing in a 16 core CPU anytime soon with such low playercounts. Maybe Folia will be better optimized later down the line for less cores?
Either way I will consult the findings from that test while doing my own testing.
Ive been following MultiPaper with high hopes but it seems rather dead.
viral stone
it's not a case of optimising for less cores
livid crag
You can go as beefy as your wallet allows
opaque mortar
No, its a dedicated server, owned hardware.
viral stone
and that's the recommended hardware for the recommdended player counts in which you'd wanna use folia
the recommended specs aren't catering to little rob who wants to run his 2 player server on folia, that's not something anybody cares to test for
opaque mortar
it's not a case of optimising for less cores
I see, well, the future holds cheaper used higher core count CPUs!
opaque mortar
the recommended specs aren't catering to little rob who wants to run his 2 playe...
Yeah I get that. Just for some reason my playerbase they just all want to be making insane farms all over the map lol.
slender island
Yeah I get that. Just for some reason my playerbase they just all want to be mak...
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/farmcontrol.86923/
Would something like this help?
vernal wyvern
Folia is good but it load so much chunk ๐ญ
๐ญ
~ month my drive go over 1400gb on anarchy server with avenger 150-200 players
feral hazel
~ month my drive go over 1400gb on anarchy server with avenger 150-200 players
Are you sure it's Folia? I could imagine that it is more due to the fact that your players move around in the world 
vernal wyvern
Are you sure it's Folia? I could imagine that it is more due to the fact that yo...
yes is it
inner swift
Completely unrelated to server software
vernal wyvern
Are you sure it's Folia? I could imagine that it is more due to the fact that yo...
oh yea
i give them perm fly
no anticheat
feral hazel
Okay, but then Folia can't do anything big expect design a new chunk storage method ๐
vernal wyvern
yep, but idk why how it can be like that
my anarchy server was run for 15 days
and it go over 800-1200gb
avenger per day 50gb-100gb
feral hazel
Almost 1.5 TB is a lot for a minecraft world, but you also have 200 players who are constantly loading new chunks every day. (With fly!)
vernal wyvern
i give them perm fly
not really, they use hack to fly
i set this allow-flight=true
feral hazel
The only solution I see is that you either install a Worldboarder (I think Folia itself disabled the Worldboarder, so you whould have to develop a plugin for it or something else) or that you create a Folia fork in which you design a new method like chunks or the world in general can be saved.
vernal wyvern
The only solution I see is that you either install a Worldboarder (I think Folia...
whyshould i install Worldboarder on anarchy 
viral stone
I mean
feral hazel
whyshould i install Worldboarder on anarchy <a:thinker:551260813848084481>
To keep the world small xD
viral stone
you're running a gamemode in which people are known to do stupid stuff like wizz around the world at stupid rates, etc
and you're surpsied that they generated a fuckton of data
vernal wyvern
i didn't , this is first time i open anarchy with folia
viral stone
maybe see if there are any oversized chunk files around, but, mojangs storage mechanism is not exactly ideal for disk storage space
nothing to do with folia
this is mc in general
vernal wyvern
also does drive affect to tps
i switch from nvme to hdd drive
and my tps run out
feral hazel
The only thing I would really think of is to take it or create a fork in which you rebuild the entire world storage logic. Secondly, of course it would be a lot of work. HDD and mc aren't ecactly the best of friends either.
viral stone
tps runs out
I mean
chunk loading generally doesn't happen on the main thread
and so it shouldn't impact TPS, unless you have stuff inducing IO somewhere it shouldn't be
livid crag
i switch from nvme to hdd drive
Thatโs like switching from a sports car to a bicycleโฆ. Why would you lol
feral hazel
i guess because its cheaper if he assumes that the world size will continue to increase at a constant rate every month. But I still wouldn't make the switch
unique quail
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vernal wyvern
Thatโs like switching from a sports car to a bicycleโฆ. Why would you lol
out of drive ๐
ranout money
unique quail
Mfw
livid crag
You should close the server and rethink your minimization model then if you are running out of money
unique quail
Make a fixed world size...?
vernal wyvern
i have money to run server but don't have money to buy new drive lol
livid crag
Iโd rather have a 20 players server where everyone donate to support the server than a 300 player server where no one donates
vernal wyvern
Iโd rather have a 20 players server where everyone donate to support the server ...
livid crag
A f2p player is just a resource hog. They donโt pay they donโt play 
simple concept
arctic tapir
play?
unique quail
Just make the world size lower
livid crag
The issue is they wanna be 2b clone so they are basically shooting them sleeve in the foot having no border
unique quail
Become a clone after you get money and popularity
unique quail
Gl man
inner swift
Well
I once did something cursed where I'd track player or any possibly player-induced changes to a chunk and, if none, do setSaveChunk(false)
That'd save storage if people fly a lot, but you have to be really careful not to discard actual changes
feral hazel
You have to come up with something like that first. But interesting idea
I could imagine that this could work really well.
Its just more computing power that is required, since the chunk of course always has to be regenerated, but you save storage space. Yes
@vernal wyvern
vernal wyvern
yes
my specs server is
Ryzen 9 7950X, 128GB, 2TB.
I9-13900K, 192GB, 4TB
still not enough to handle it
last time i remmember it take over 2000% of cpu usage
and also
how i disable global event sound
feral hazel
That could be true, but wouldn't it be worth a try? You can try it out for a few hours while there are fewer players and see how it workds in percentage terms.
vernal wyvern
.
inner swift
Yeah, that's another issue
Folia already wants a lot of threads, unnecessarily inducing more gen induces more usage
vernal wyvern
with like 200 players playing
50 players are near spawn
but spawn is like 7 tps
๐
not sure
inner swift
Yeah, not ideal at all to have many players in one region
feral hazel
I don't know how much you can fix the issue with the spawn region (i. e. whether you could do multiple spawns or something), but if you can get the issue to have less going on in one region, then perhaps having a server CPU would be an option less single core power and deactivating the save of chunks (if nothing happens in there). You have to weigh up what is more important to you
As far as I know, the chunks are not immediately written to the hard drive but are first kept in memory. If your players are very spread out and don't come to the same place often, that would be an option. You could also build in a logic that if a chunk as been loaded over 80 times in the last 3 hours, it will still be written to the hard drive even if nothing happens in there.
You could delete these chunks that are stored on the hard drive without making any changes to the chunk every 3 days or something like that if the chunks have not been loaded in the last 24 hours.
Those were just ideas that were in my head. Maybe there is something there that could be expanded further
jagged ether
I mean you can make the spawn radius game rule a lot
Works like multiple spawns ๐
twilit bison
I am still trying to do heavy command scripting for an experimental datapack, and would love to see my function scripts get multithreaded.
So the last time I brought this up I got strong rejection and was told that I was being foolish for using function scripts instead of mods.
Can someone confirm again that Folia does not thread command execution?
inner swift
This will most likely straight up not work in Folia
Some commands don't play nice with the threading model of Folia. Since they can be replaced by faster and more powerful plugins (which is in line with the performance oriented nature of the project), there's just not a lot of concern for making all of them work
twilit bison
Hmm.. Is there a list?
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
inner swift
In the FAQ
twilit bison
Ah, yes. Everything I would want to use.
My issue with depending on plugins is that the maintainers sometimes disappear and we get version locked by plugin dependency.
We've been running a Minecraft server since 2010 and we have been burned by this problem enough times to be wary of plugin dependency.
viral stone
Scripts are designed for global state
like, the entire vanilla commands are designed to run globally
in order to facilate that, you'd basically need to break the entire datapack ecosystem in favour of it
you'd need to rewrite the vanilla commands to be isolationist
or, you'd need to get them to run between all regions can tick, which breaks a good chunk of the reasons to use folia as you bring back the old age problem of somebody going crazy in one region being able to kill the entire server
Like, the reason why the answer is no, is generally because there is no way to fix that without already breaking all of that stuff anyways, or inducing large chunky overheads and dozens of risks in order to permit them to work as-is
Not worth the effort for a system which is stupidly slow in the first place
vast dust
We've been running a Minecraft server since 2010 and we have been burned by this...
With that level of experience, why not learn Java? You'd save a lot of effort and open so many avenues. Unlimited potential.
weak moss
Hey, any insight on why its not building ?
Task
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Omit --global to set the identity only in this repository.
fatal: unable to auto-detect email address (got 'folia@aaaaaaaa.(none)')
*** Please review above details and finish the apply then
*** save the changes with ./gradlew rebuildPatches
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
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arctic tapir
it tells@you why
weak moss
Identity one ?
arctic tapir
2 commands
weak moss
ah ye mb