folia-help

[main knot]

i need folia

[fair merlin]

Then they will have built it also. Sorry but none of that changes my answers here.

[main knot]

broo

[tacit tartan]

If you need folia, then you should have the expertise (or someone on your team does) to build it

If not, folia probably isn't right for you in it's current state

[fair merlin]

We probbaly don't need to say the same thing at them.

Despite being mostly named the same.

[tacit tartan]

sorry, sometimes I get focused on the chat box and miss messages that go by as I'm typing

[fair merlin]

Also they got kicked.

So may not have seen your message.

[void elbow]

nonono

It is very bad

this is again extra plugins + no display of the visual border of the world

[fair merlin]

Pretty sure you can set particles and stuff on it. Chunky/ChunkyBorder is a pretty lightweight plugin FWIW.

But there's no ETA for when stuff gets changed/added/fixed in Folia. Could be a while. World border is probably pretty low priority.

[void elbow]

😦

She is sorely missed

[livid crag]

Pretty sure you can still have a virtual border

[pseudo ibex]

It works on my server oddly

[pseudo ibex]

Maybe that’s what happening on my server. Although does a virtual boarder mean it is present, but doesn’t work?

[inner swift]

Could also emulate a real worldborder with packets

[pseudo ibex]

That’s probably what chunky border does, but I haven’t looked at the code.

[inner swift]

Nah, ChunkyBorder just sends you a message and sets you back rather than displaying the border

[fair merlin]

I thought they had particle effects for the border also?

[inner swift]

Ah, yeah, that's true, you can use particles

[pseudo ibex]

This is regular mc border, so it looks like it gets displayed at least and blocks you from movint past it.

[livid crag]

Yeah

[inner swift]

That's with ChunkyBorder?

[void elbow]

wthatt

[void elbow]

how did you make it??

What plugin are you using to show the border?

[pseudo ibex]

None lol

[void elbow]

and how did you display the borders of the world on Folia?

[pseudo ibex]

Like regular world border command lol

Maybe my server is just cooler 🤓😎🥸

Hehehhehehe

Jk

[void elbow]

nice trolling

photoshop

[fair merlin]

Are you running 1.20.1?

[pseudo ibex]

Yep

[pseudo ibex]

You can join it if you like lol

[pseudo ibex]

No photoshop

[blazing tree]

cheapest ovh / heztner dedi thats 16+ cores?

[fair merlin]

Just curious. I can't keep track of what's working and what isn't in which version.

[pseudo ibex]

Oh hahahah. Yea I’m also on the latest commit. I’m not sure why others don’t see / have a world border.

[fair merlin]

Could be plugin conflict or who knows.

[fair merlin]

Recommend making sure you're on 1.20.1 and the latest commit since it apparently works for some people.

If you're seeing an error then post the error I guess.

[pseudo ibex]

Oh like others have a plugin conflict? I would assume if that is the case then it would likely be down to one plugin in common with all these people, which I may not have. I’m sure that with the issue tracker it would be easier to narrow it down. Although this is all a guess.

[fair merlin]

No idea.

People are also using weird builds and jars they pass around and stuff which might not be on recent builds. So I dunno.

[inner swift]

Hetzner's 7950x3D, probably

[pseudo ibex]

Hehehehe I’m sure that is definitely the case. I saw one FAWE GitHub for folia PR someone posted lube.jankins.FoliaBuilds or something site. It seems some may be getting it from.

[pseudo ibex]

I could list what the site is, but I’m sure you don’t want that lol

[fair merlin]

Correct.

[pseudo ibex]

Heheheh

[void elbow]

How did you set the border of the world?

[inner swift]

There's no /worldborder command in Folia, you need a plugin

[void elbow]

Which?

i use Chunky and Chunky Border

but the border of the world is not visually shown there

[inner swift]

I don't know if exactly what you want exists

[void elbow]

this

[pseudo ibex]

I don’t have a world border plugin. Here are my plugins - AutoPay, BetterBoard, BetterEconomy, BetterRTP, BisectHosting-Folia, BlueMap, ChatFilter, Chunky, ClansLite, ClientDetector , DeluxeMenus, DisableBreeding, DiscordSRV, ElytraSpeed, EpicHomes, FancyNpcs, FastAsyncWorldEdit, floodgate, Geyser-Spigot, GlobalTrackedMaps , IllegalStack, LuckPerms, NoCheatPlus, PL-Hide, PlaceholderAPI, PlayerBountiesPlus, PlugManX, PosCommands, ProtocolLib, RedLimiterReloaded , ScoreboardChatShop, SilkySpawnersLITE, spark, StormerAntiSpamReloaded, StormerTPAReloaded, StormerWarpsReloaded, TerragenBiomesMockRegistry, Vault, ViaBackwards, ViaRewind , ViaVersion, Votifier, VotingPlugin, WorldGuard.

[inner swift]

Interesting, maybe it's BisectHosting-Folia

[pseudo ibex]

No that just shows me my ram, CPU and entity count using spark on my console panel

[inner swift]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pseudo ibex]

Plus if it was a server jar like paper or etc it wouldn’t even be displayed as a plugin

[pseudo ibex]

I see you are one version behind. I’m sure it wouldn’t make a huge difference, but maybe you should go to the latest commit.

[finite hinge]

Wait are you at 10,000,000 x/z?

Or are you saying you have a /worldborder command and you can change the distance?

The border should definitely get drawn, you just can't change where it is afaik

[quick field]

Hey, I just built and installed Folia. I'm about to use it for an SMP server with my friends. I understand that Folia is still in active development and I have a basic question. Is it known to break mob farms? I understand there's always a risk of breaking mob farms when using anything other than the vanilla mc server, but I'm just wondering if this is a common occurrence.

[inner swift]

Should be at the same level of Paper (occasionally slightly better due to the actually separate mobcaps)

[quick field]

Great! Thank You!

[viral coral]

you're better off using paper for a friend smp server

[pseudo ibex]

Hahaha I think I was at 20k to 10k. It seems a little uneven. So I would like to find out how I can… change that without a world border command lol.

[quick field]

Yea, I've used paper in the past and I had performance issues. (Usually because I have a friend who likes to travel 20,000 blocks away from everyone else) Unfortunatly my server is running on an older generation Xeon with relatively poor single threaded performance. But I have cores to spare. 48 threads across both CPUs. I'd at least like to try Folia. I'm sure other solutions/different hardware is better, though.

[pseudo ibex]

If I could. You think 10 million is a better number?

[viral coral]

you'll still need decent single threaded performance on folia

[finite hinge]

iirc the vanilla default is 10 million

[quick field]

It's decent, just not great. Two Xeon E5-2697 boost up to 3.5 Ghz

[livid crag]

You should look at base clock always

[quick field]

Which I assume is enough for most situations. I'm just trying to alleviate the issue of my friend loading in many chunks that are far away from everyone else causing performance issues. But I'm just testing Folia for now. I may switch back to paper later.

[livid crag]

Your cpu is not going to be on burst mode 24/7

Not very realistic

[pseudo ibex]

Hmm I suppose I should ask at what point do these regions merge? Is it 1k blocks or like 100?

[quick field]

2.7 base, but I should have the cooling capacity for higher clocks. Whether or not the Xeon will boost to those, I'm not sure.

[livid crag]

Just nitpicking there as some cpu manufacture loves to bloat their performance number

[quick field]

No worries. I appreciate the advice from everyone.

[arctic tapir]

iirc it's around 1500 blocks?

could be wrong though

[quick field]

I also have an i5 8400 which I imagine is better for running an MC server. Just based on single threaded performance alone. But I wish I had something better. Might invest later.

[viral coral]

the 8400 will be miles ahead

[quick field]

Currently pregenerating chunks on a paper server using that CPU as we speak. I just like trying out different minecraft server solutions for fun 🙃

Thanks for the input @viral coral @livid crag

[pseudo ibex]

Hmmm interesting. Is this something we can change in the config?

[pseudo ibex]

I guess another question is if not whats the purpose of it being so large?

[livid crag]

No. It cannot be changed

You have to account for player moving very fast into each other + some buffer zone

The region “center” is also not on the player, so there will be case where the play may already be really close to the edge of a region to begin with

[pseudo ibex]

Hmm that is fair. Regarding the world border command. If the worldborder exist and works, why not just implement the command to have it?

[fair merlin]

“Why not just” rarely has an easy answer.

Guessing there’s some issues with it.

It’s on the tracker so it’ll get looked at eventually.

[pseudo ibex]

That is fair. I just find it strange.

[fair merlin]

Most likely anything that had issues that was low priority got punted. Makes a lot of sense if you think about it.

If you don't have much time to spend on stuff and it's a lot of work then you focus on the big/important stuff first.

[pseudo ibex]

Hmmm I wonder if the command was not asynchronous, but the feature was.

Which is why the feature works, but the command is not present

I guess this is all just speculation on my part tho

[viral stone]

Because it's global state, as I keep saying

chances are he just yeeted anything using global state at the time as it's easier to just disable that stuff, start working on stuff, rather than spending a week or two tryna analyse commands which are mostly irrelevant for the type of server this is catering for

the lerping stuff also probably causes some concerns, what do you do when a region is struggling? etc

[pallid plume]

does Null Scape work with folia?

[inner swift]

If it uses command functions it won't work properly

The gen part might work

[void elbow]

hello.

Interest Ask. SimpleVoiceChat with 500-600 online on Folia core won't break ping or TPS?

[viral stone]

We can't really comment on random software on the internet

[scenic sky]

can your network handle the voice connections of 500 players

[viral stone]

like, i'd image it pretty much doesn't matter, all it would maybe tick for is pos updates, etc

but, otherwise, like 🤷‍♂️

[north hatch]

I would host that on a separate server

[violet parcel]

i clone folia using git and build it using "gradle build" what am i suppose to do now? i have no ideal how to proced

[void elbow]

Yees

[violet parcel]

anyway i figure it out myself

[violet parcel]

spark profiler plugin refuse to work im on folia 1.20.1

[arctic tapir]

you need to use the one from the PR

[pseudo ibex]

I think you have to compile it yourself from the spark branch, right? When I tried using the one provided to me on the PR it didn’t work properly.

[arctic tapir]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[static dragon]

How can I speed up the loading and creation of chunks? I have RAID10 4 disk NVME SSD and AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 16-Core Processor. ```
chunk-loading:
autoconfig-send-distance: true
enable-frustum-priority: true
global-max-chunk-load-rate: -1.0
global-max-chunk-send-rate: -1.0
global-max-concurrent-loads: -1.0
max-concurrent-sends: 2
min-load-radius: 2
player-max-chunk-load-rate: -1.0
player-max-concurrent-loads: 100.0
target-player-chunk-send-rate: 100.0
chunk-loading-advanced:
auto-config-send-distance: true
player-max-concurrent-chunk-generates: 0
player-max-concurrent-chunk-loads: 0
chunk-loading-basic:
player-max-chunk-generate-rate: 40.0
player-max-chunk-load-rate: 40.0
player-max-chunk-send-rate: 40.0
chunk-system:
gen-parallelism: enabled
io-threads: 3
worker-threads: 9

Even with 1 person online, that's pretty slow

[livid crag]

Revert your change to default. Idk why you are forcing more worker thread there

Also ensure you are using 1.20.1

Some of the config you posted are no longer used

The only real way to speed up chunk loading is to pregeneate

[static dragon]

I can't do the generation of 30 million blocks

Did I allocate more to the worker to make the chunks create faster or shouldn't I have?

I reset the config and everything became very fast thank you

[drowsy mountain]

what is the optimal java version to use for folia?

[arctic tapir]

17

LTS

[drowsy mountain]

I don't think using OpenJ9 would hurt or Graal

[viral stone]

Openj9 will hurt….

The entire point of j9 is that it reduces memory overheads at the cost of performance

[finite hinge]

graal is likely to help, assuming it doesn't break things

Same with newer OpenJDK versions

[drowsy mountain]

yeah I am running version OpenJDK ver 18

it's running pretty good

[viral coral]

18 is eol fyi

[finite hinge]

Yeah if you aren't running 17 you should be running 20

Everything else is either too old, end of life, or both

[drowsy mountain]

oh

[viral coral]

just stick to 17 until 21 releases next month

[void elbow]

such a question, folia will be 1.20.2?

[drowsy mountain]

foilia is currently 1.20.1

[arctic tapir]

it’s not even out yet

[tawdry gull]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[drowsy mountain]

^^

[void elbow]

Tell me please the characteristics of a dedicated server in order to comfortably keep 500-800 online on Folia for 20 tps.

[inner swift]

Well, at least a 7950x/7950x3D

[naive fable]

Expensive

[inner swift]

Do not know if it's gonna be enough, but it's a starting point

[drowsy mountain]

yeah a ryzen 9 7950x with 64/128gb of DDR5 ram should be enough

[void elbow]

thank

[finite hinge]

Maybe a 7900x if you pregen your world, 7950x can't hurt though

You'd probably be better off with an EPYC 9334 or better though, assuming you can spread your players out enough to make use of the extra cores

A 13900K might be usable but probably not even as good as a 7900x, someone would have to run it and let people know how it does

[void elbow]

How many players can hold 1 region for 20 tps?

1 small square is 1 region, so I'm wondering how much 1 core thread in 1 region can withstand players at 20 tps?

On Forge with mods, the server keeps 100 people for 20 tps stably. Here, as I understand it - 1 region is a separate server +-

[fair merlin]

Depends on the CPU, plugins, what the players are doing, etc.

There’s no like formula to calculate that.

It’s like asking how many people can fit in a car. Depends on the size of the people and the car.

[void elbow]

hmhmh

I saw a streamer with 1000 online, the players suffered a lot of ping.

[fair merlin]

Okay, not sure what you're asking.

[void elbow]

ok, i try and see

[static dragon]

What are the best startup parameters to use and does it make sense to use 100gb RAM?

[drowsy mountain]

I don't know how an epyc would perform in a situation like that

wouldnt mc still benefit from the high clocks of the threads and cores

[finite hinge]

For a single region you want that, sure but the whole point of Folia is to have lots of regions

If you have lots of regions hopefully any individual one doesn't need literally the fastest single core performance in the world to run well

Otherwise you need to split your players up more or smack one of them around a bit 😛

If you have lots of regions you'll perform better with lots of cores (to a point)

[void elbow]

Regions are automatically created depending on the border of the world?

For example, if I want to make a map of 10,000 x 10,000, will the regions on this map be automatically calculated for my core flows?

[inner swift]

No, on player locations

[void elbow]

hmm

Ah, I understood then.

[static dragon]

When I use the flags from aikar the chunks don't load. How can I fix this?

[void elbow]

no using flags Aikar, ez fix

[static dragon]

What flags should I use then?

[void elbow]

sec

-Xmx8G -Xms8G -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+UseShenandoahGC

[static dragon]

I've tried this and it gives less performance than the aikar flags

For example with UseShenandoahGC at online 500 my server hanged, but with Aikar flags not

[void elbow]

500 online??

give me IP

your server

I go to play

and test

performance

I also have a project, though for 5000+ online, but I haven’t set the folia yet, I plan to in the future

[static dragon]

For testing, I used regular bots

[void elbow]

Where do you get bots?

How to get bots on the server, tell me please?

[jagged ether]

Use some software or write your own

There are libraries for connecting to MC server without actual clients rendering the game

[void elbow]

Please share))

[jagged ether]

Use Google

[violet parcel]

does command blocks works on folia?

[jagged ether]

Try and see

If they want to try and affect other regions it'll cause trouble or just not work

[violet parcel]

command blocks seems to not work at all

[inner swift]

They are disabled

[violet parcel]

i set "enable-command-block=" to true but they still dosent work

[fair merlin]

Don't think command blocks are working, no.

[shut gull]

I understand what Folia regions does with their tps each region

[violet parcel]

is thier like a list where i can tell folia load the plugin anyway even if its not supportet?

[hexed ice]

no, the plugin author explicitly mark the plugin as folia supported

[violet parcel]

so i can just download the source code of the pluging i want to add and add a file where it says it suppots folia and compile it?

[hexed ice]

you can do that but your milegae will vary

99.9% of plugins need to be adapted, you can't just do that and expect it to work

[fair merlin]

Yeah definitely gonna depend on the plugin and what it's doing.

[shut gull]

And you have to be sure to use flags

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[narrow bough]

Since I updated folia to the latest version, this problem occurs frequently.

[scenic sky]

what build were you on before

[paper siren]

that's not caused by folia

[viral stone]

that's JVM bug territory

(or, hardware issues territory, i.e. bad ram)

[narrow bough]

When I updated yesterday, I used /paper ver to remind me that I was behind seven versions, and then updated

[narrow bough]

Do you mean that this problem is caused by damage to the physical memory module? It's happened four times

But strangely, other projects run fine with this machine...

[viral stone]

Potentially yes, all it takes is for a block of ram to be bad to cause stuff like that

[finite hinge]

I don't think Folia adds/changes anything that could cause that (would be a native library or certain kinds of sun.misc.Unsafe and similar usage) so that would be an OS, JVM, or hardware issue. Or I suppose it could be a bug in netty that only Folia triggers but I doubt that. Try reinstalling your JVM, installing a different build or version, and/or checking your RAM https://www.howtogeek.com/260813/how-to-test-your-computers-ram-for-problems/

[shut gull]

The flag does not work for me in parallel threads do not work can you help java -Xms128M -Xmx5120M -Dterminal.jline=false -XX:ConcGCThreads=8 -Dterminal.ansi=true -jar server.jar

[finite hinge]

Not sure what you mean, ConcGCThreads is for how many threads G1GC should use to handle garbage collection while your app is running

If you're giving it 8 threads your server must have like 64 cores, right? 😛

[prime juniper]

Yo I have a ryzen 9 5900x now how do i tweak folia for world pregeneration\

Or we good out of the box

[pseudo ibex]

Try and see 😜

[narrow bough]

ok thanks for your suggestion! I'll do a round of testing for the RAM later

[shut gull]

So far I have only 8 cores and then I will increase it to 16.

[shut gull]

If I insert this flag, it will work XX: ConcGCThreads = n

[timid grotto]

you are below the recommended specs to run folia. running folia on that hardware will likely perform worse than paper

[finite hinge]

If your server only has 8 cores you definitely shouldn't give G1GC all of them

[marsh maple]

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[tawdry gull]

https://flags.sh

https://docs.papermc.io/paper/updating

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

https://docs.papermc.io/paper/aikars-flags

[feral hazel]

Is the last build of Folia available for download or do I have to build it myself?

[arctic tapir]

compile yourself

or api

[feral hazel]

okay thanks!

[tulip drum]

You need to install jdk 17 and set your java home so that the build dose not fail.

https://www.baeldung.com/java-home-on-windows-7-8-10-mac-os-x-linux

Then once you have done that you have to go to root of the project and open CMD then in CMD window type gradlew build

Once build is done their will be new folders.

[viral stone]

see the paper readme for build steps

jar will be in the build/libs folder of the parent project

[hot pebble]

Hi i have a 8 core ARM proccessor and 24gb of ram running a folia server in 1.20.1. With 20 players the server gets too laggy. This is my plugins list

[arctic tapir]

8 core ARM

the minimum recommend amount of cores is 16

[livid crag]

Please read Folia readme for hardware recommendation. Your machine is too weak. You will get better result running Paper @hot pebble

[languid saffron]

for some reason my server isnt use more than 1 core

i have 16 cores on my system

and yes i did fly out to try to unload spawn (ik that region is always loaded in)

[inner swift]

16 cores as in 32 threads?

[languid saffron]

i believe so yes

yeah my system has 2 cpu's (running server hardware)
folia is inside a container (using pterodactyl)
i think i might have set something wrong so im looking to see what i did incorrectly

[languid saffron]

alright 400% in pterodactyl indicates 1 core

i solved my issue!

[pseudo ibex]

Lol

[languid saffron]

[23:46:03 INFO]: [io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.TickRegions] Regionised ticking is enabled with 1 tick threads```

its using more than one now idk what i did

[finite hinge]

That says 1 tick thread still

[languid saffron]

well, how would I increase it? im kinda stupid rn its very late 😭

[finite hinge]

If 400% is 1 core then you need to set it to at least 6400%

You should probably just set it to 0, Folia is going to need to use pretty much the whole machine

[languid saffron]

its probably because of the container...

ill try setting it to zero

see what happens

upon setting it to zero this happened:

[23:50:26 INFO]: [io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.TickRegions] Regionised ticking is enabled with 4 tick threads```

i think ptero only allows a server to use 4 cores in total

wish i could increase the amount :(

welp i got it working now

[fair merlin]

How?

[languid saffron]

[00:07:15 INFO]: [io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.TickRegions] Regionised ticking is enabled with 6 tick threads```

honestly i dont know

i increased the amount of tick threads

but i dont think the worker or parallelism threads should be that low... pretty concerning

its my first time tryna get ptero and folia working nicely, sorry if im not the best at this lol thats why im learning

[00:12:51 INFO]: [io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.TickRegions] Regionised ticking is enabled with 6 tick threads```
welp it works now lol

idk if thats good or not tho

[languid saffron]

the only thing that makes me sad is command blocks are gone :(
but i mean its not that bad, people who use folia would most likely not use command blocks

[feral hazel]

Thank you very much, but I had no problems with the build, everything went well. Thank you anyway!

[lyric cipher]

I have a question regarding folia performance/requirements. On the website it says i need multiple cores/threads and on the other website it says folia could be good for small servers too. I have a 6 core epyc 7702p. Can this help getting a better overall performance or is that hardware too weak?

[arctic tapir]

too weak

minimum recommend cores is 16

[lyric cipher]

So using 1 core, 5 on idle would be still better than using all?

[timid grotto]

paper already uses multiple threads

just not for world ticking

[lyric cipher]

Yeah, but i already pre gen chunks and on htop i see that 1 cpu is at 100%

[paper siren]

I mean in the end no one is preventing you from trying out what happens when running folia, but you might not actually benefit from it

[frigid cliff]

why only 1 region work ?

[arctic tapir]

because all your players are in a small area

[golden mica]

too close

[frigid cliff]

I flew away for a large number of blocks and the second region does not appear

[arctic tapir]

how far

[frigid cliff]

4k blocks

[viral stone]

I mean, you need to be like 2k blocks from other players or so

[fair merlin]

Sorry, which website says it’s for small servers?

We recommend 16 cores. At 6 cores and/or on a VM you’re going to see poor performance.

[viral stone]

At the end of the day, folia introduces many sizable overheads on the contention that those will at least be mitigted by essentially having multiple regions ticked at once

if you have very few cores or are running even further under overheads, that's going to hurt, a lot

[languid saffron]

what about servers which only see about 20-30 players where they are all spread out? some players make large farms and it lags the entire server, i would think with folia it would only lag their region
would 8 cores be enough?

[paper siren]

this basically

it's generally hard to say in which cases it works well and in which it won't, because that just involves so many different factors

[languid saffron]

i tested it out on a test server (hence why i was asking questions regarding pterodactyl)
and i could blow up spawn, run a few thousand blocks and play normally
my friend was also out a few blocks and pasted in a farm and he was low tps

[lyric cipher]

https://paper-chan.moe/folia/

[languid saffron]

so yeah i mean it works lol

[inner swift]

It says it might benefit small servers if you have sufficient threads available

[lyric cipher]

thats why i was asking if my current setup could benefit or not

small can be everything

[inner swift]

That is, small servers that have lots of farms and wish to keep vanilla settings will be performance intensive

[languid saffron]

well it works very well with 8 cores (at least in my testing)

it will still depend a lot on your single core performance if regions begin merging

for example, everyone teleporting to spawn

[lyric cipher]

my main problem is, that i can see on "htop" that 1 cpu is almost 100% all the time, it doesnt matter if i use paper, pufferfish or purpur.

[inner swift]

The truth is that there's not enough data on lower end hardware to answer this properly, plus there's variability with player activity, so ultimately try and see™️
Though in my opinion 6 cores is far too little

[tulip drum]

I'm going to test it

[lyric cipher]

if nothing is gonna fit, i upgrade to a dedicated machine with more clock power on 1 core

[tulip drum]

on 4 core mechice

should work

[languid saffron]

yeah 6 is pretty low, i would say 8 is the bare minimum for smaller servers that dont have 100+ player counts

[lyric cipher]

i have 10-20 players 😂

[languid saffron]

oh damn even lower than me? well i mean try using 6 cores then

see how it works for u :)

[lyric cipher]

i wanted first ask and listen to opinions

but from what i read buying another machine would safe more time xd

[languid saffron]

well u should still try it, on lower player counts you wouldnt use more than a certain amount of cores

[lyric cipher]

then i am gonna try that, thanks for your opinion

[languid saffron]

yeah np, tell us how it goes

[lyric cipher]

can you ping me when posting your results?

[viral stone]

that's basically just literally how minecraft works

when it's not ticking, its churning the thread waiting to proess tasks or start the next tick

[lyric cipher]

yeah, but from what i read, doesnt folia exactly "fix" that issue?

or is it "more complex"?

[viral stone]

Literally no

[lyric cipher]

is there something you can recommend for my case? vanilla like gameplay with ~10-20 players, lots of farms, lots of spread people, big map etc

[viral stone]

that's literally just how minecraft works

the utilisation counter is basically useless

unless you're actually having performance issues, it's not an issue

[tulip drum]

can someone give me the batch file

[arctic tapir]

"the batch file"?

[tawdry gull]

https://flags.sh

[tulip drum]

or the flag

for folia

[lyric cipher]

My other machine would be still too low too?
Basic System Information:

Uptime : 5 days, 17 hours, 32 minutes
Processor : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700 CPU @ 3.60GHz
CPU cores : 8 @ 4037.551 MHz
AES-NI : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
RAM : 62.7 GiB

[daring nimbus]

4 Cores is way below the recommended 16 cores, yes

[viral stone]

the advice given is based upon the types of servers folia is cating for

it will work on lesser hardware

but outside of specific cases you're generally just going to overall perform worse or have minimal gains

ofc, ymmv, only way to know is to test it

[lyric cipher]

check, i will compile folia and test all 3 machines now

thanks for all the answers 🙂

any recommendations for stresstesting - or just boot up bots and let them mine?

[finite hinge]

On servers with fewer cores you'll have to override the defaults for how many region threads to have

If you end up with 1 region thread it's guaranteed to be slower than Paper

[tawdry gull]

Community contributed configuration guide for Paper: https://paper-chan.moe/paper-optimization

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[sand zephyr]

When I run the folia on the server and connect, the render distance is limited to 2. Any solution?

[viral stone]

test on a vanilla client and provide a spark report or something

[sand zephyr]

Ok.

[random garnet]

interests in folia 📈

[compact hawk]

I have been looking at folia for a bit, and atm it seems that it is not very suitable for my plans, I am wondering if there is an alternative that focuses just on having multithreaded worlds. So instead of splitting each world in regions (as folia does) and letting each region be its own thread i am wondering if it is possible to have lets say the overworld, nether, end and some other custom worlds each run on their own thread. (hoping this would be a good in between solution, for when you dont benefit from folia yet)

(hoping that this would also mean less overhead for syncing up and determining regions)

[viral stone]

Basically, not really afaik, because there's no real need for that outside of niche servers

[compact hawk]

oke fair unfortunate

[viral stone]

You'd still end up with a lot of the architectural changes, the only thing you'd basically skip is the regioniser stuff

But, for most servers, the mspt of the end/nether is basically marginal, and just not worth the level of plugin break that folia brings for that case

[compact hawk]

the nether and end where more examples, the main function would be multiple overworlds (with different custom terrains)

[viral stone]

Well yea, but servers which go crazy with world's to the degree that it would actually bring benefits are small

[timid grotto]

sounds like something that could better suited for a proxy + multiple server

[viral stone]

That's generally what people have done for years

[compact hawk]

i suppose so, with linking up of inventories somehow

[viral stone]

Like, threading world's isnt too bad, it's just nobody cares to deal with it because it's not worth it for most

Folia covers a muuuuch more sizable, albeit niche, set of use cases

[compact hawk]

i got a question about folia then, what would happen if entities (lets say tnt or falling blocks) were launched with speeds of 20 chunks per gt?

would the regions be fine with that?

[viral stone]

Pretty sure folia wont allow that

[compact hawk]

oke unfortunate

thanks for the help

[timid grotto]

they will unload before nearing the edge of a region

and regions cannot touch. if they would, they get merged

[drowsy mountain]

spark works on folia?

using the latest build I had no success of running it

[runic kayak]

They have a branch, but it's experimental, see the following PR: https://github.com/lucko/spark/pull/312y

[pseudo ibex]

You do need to compile it yourself

[drowsy mountain]

the latest build

alright

[drowsy mountain]

invalid PR

[tacit tartan]

https://github.com/lucko/spark/pull/312

[runic kayak]

Oh yes, sorry, I accidentally inserted a y there while trying to add a >.

[livid crag]

[pseudo ibex]

Of course

[fallow stone]

dead project?

[tall marsh]

no

[livid crag]

The project has no been officially release but the work is being done weekly. In fact, just two days ago, 2bt2 officially updated to 1.19 with this very software.

[distant nexus]

did i just not compile correctly or something? INFO java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: 'io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.scheduler.EntityScheduler org.bukkit.entity.Player.getScheduler()' it shows up fine in my intellij

[jagged forum]

Are there currently any base-level world load/unload resources present for Folia or a simplified method that can do the same in Folia? I've been doing some digging to no avail. I.e. Multiverse-Core alternative

[livid crag]

Nope due to complexity in regard to unloading worlds

it's planned but not a pirority rn.

[tawny roost]

I didn't realize they used folia for the update, thats going to be an amazing testing ground

[jagged forum]

No worries. Appreciate the insight - was just trying to see if I can somehow manage to add my Instance world as a list of loaded worlds on startup. Would this be doable?

[livid crag]

yeah we indirectly verified this during the 2 test they've done publicly.

due to the natural of that server, they are likely never going to say anything about server brand.

[finite hinge]

Err they came right out and said it the other day, no?

[livid crag]

I believe someone has made one that sort of works but it wasnt accepted by leaf (either this channel or #folia-dev ) I largely only lurk here so I dont remember on top of my head.

[jagged forum]

No worries. I'll have a peek and see if it's viable. All I really need is a system that allows me to specify additional worlds on startup. Not necessarily load worlds on the fly

[livid crag]

[jagged forum]

Ah yeah. Managed to get this to work with what I needed: https://github.com/HSGamer/MoreFoWorld

[pseudo ibex]

Oh what is priority?

[livid crag]

you would have to ask the rat king himself! but hes fixing many stuffs

[wooden echo]

what's dirtyfolia?

been reading it a lot lately and I can't find it on google

[next bloom]

idk what that is

a fork or something?

[arctic tapir]

pretty sure it's a fork that removes the requirement for folia-supported in plugin.yml

[next bloom]

oh that's surely not gonna break stuff /s

[scenic sky]

it'll make really simple plugins maybe work

but you could just add that to the plugin.yml yourself

[analog schooner]

Which one is the server file, folia-bundler or folia-paperclip? Or are they both the same thing in different formats?

[arctic tapir]

paperclip is the jar you can distribute

[analog schooner]

All right

[prime juniper]

Yo how many chunks you think Chunky can pre-gen on Folia with a Ryzen 9 5900x

CPS*

[livid crag]

300-400 probably if you config it properly

[wooden echo]

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-scared-glitchy-funny-meme-gif-25728017

[prime juniper]

I'm organizing an event with four separate arenas placed at a distance from each other. There will be hidden players in the audience, so the server shouldn't send their packets to other players. I'm considering using Folia for this event. Could using Folia potentially help increase the number of players on the audience without affecting performance?

[inner swift]

If the four arenas are very far away from each other (2-3k blocks) and there won't be anyone in between arenas, yes

(Assuming good enough hardware)

[pseudo ibex]

While testing it is just a fork that supports more bukkit schedulers. I tested it while I was trying to get mcMMO ported to Folia with a couple of people.

It showed me it could run on folia, but also that we have a lot more schedulers to replace.

Anyways so for DirtyFolia you will still have to do Folia-Supported true

[last gale]

Heyo
Very new to folio but not minecrat server stuffs.
I compiled the folio jar file setup a starter bat. Does the server support 100+ players without any config? Or i would need something to do? chuncky already genereated a lot of chuncks

[pseudo ibex]

Depending on your software sure

[last gale]

software? wdym

[pseudo ibex]

I mean hardware

Like CPU

And Ram

[last gale]

yeah right we have all the cores and ram

16 cores were the recommneded on the readme

not sure about the ram, but we have as much as needed

[pseudo ibex]

Yea you are probably good

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. My server is severally under powered, and everything seems to be working fine

If it isn’t enough just allocate more threads, and get more ram

[last gale]

you mean allocate more cores?

[pseudo ibex]

yea

[noble flower]

Curious to know if anyone has a performance report comparing to paper itself with high volume of traffic.

[fair merlin]

Not that I’m aware of. But it’s not really a direct comparison. They’re sort of aimed at different server types/play styles.

[noble flower]

How so?

Surely an SMP server using paper that transition to folia, wouldn't feel as to much gameplay differences? How would it be a different play style?

[pseudo ibex]

I might have old server reports.

Key word is might if I have it I may share it

[noble flower]

cheers, would be nice.

[fair merlin]

Folia is designed for a lot of cores, with people who are very spread out.

For that particular use case, then a comparison could work.

[pseudo ibex]

Here is my report from Paper, https://spark.lucko.me/WRYLC7xAKR , and here is my report from Folia. Please take note that not all plugins have been ported. Like all mini games had to removed, and game types like mcMMO and Lifesteal. https://spark.lucko.me/3T6gTYzGAW

🗿

[thorny snow]

What would be better for performance, a Paper server with a Ryzen 9 7950X - DDR5 5200MHz or a Folia one with 2x Xeon E5 2690 V4 with DDR4 2133?

[noble flower]

Does your paper report load for you?

[pseudo ibex]

No, it’s probably too old

[noble flower]

Is your server online right now?

[pseudo ibex]

Although I can see

[pseudo ibex]

Yep

Why what’s up?

[noble flower]

Your using folia?

[pseudo ibex]

Yep

[inner swift]

I'd go with 7950x

Oh, nvm, misunderstood

Thought you were comparing Folia vs Folia

[thorny snow]

If I went Folia vs Folia, I woulden't be able to dedicate the entire 7950X to the server, so it could potentially be worse than just Paper

Only about 8 at MAX, and as I've read in here, Folia does not like 8 cores

With the Xeons, there would be 36 cores available

[pseudo ibex]

Try it out

Why not

[wooden fog]

Do I have to compile folia manually

[thorny snow]

I can’t, we are going to buy our dedicated machine

[arctic tapir]

yes

[thorny snow]

If you are running on windows, I recommend WSL, it is way faster

[shrewd agate]

in the case of folia, would it be better to use something modern with high clock speeds but with slightly less cores, e.g an R9 7900 with 12 cores at 5.4ghz or something older with low clock speeds but with more cores, e.g an E7-8880 v4 with 22 cores at 3.3ghz? from my understanding, you still need sufficient clock speeds to actually maintain a good tickrate on each region, similar to vanilla (though the impact is lessened), instead of just going for maximum core count while completely disregarding clock speed.

[pseudo ibex]

Oh ok

[inner swift]

Personally, I'd go with that Xeon in your case and try to spread players as much as possible

Can't guarantee it'll hold many per region

[fair merlin]

The answer is kinda neither. You want 16 cores and a high clock speed. But you can try whatever and see if it works.

[marsh maple]

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Reason: crypto scam

[pseudo ibex]

I have a updated profiler. https://spark.lucko.me/mt7IyIW0TN It is from a couple months ago

[jagged forum]

Apologies for budging in here but where did you get this spark build? I've been havin' trouble getting spark to work on Folia from the Folia PR

[fair merlin]

You have to build it from the branch.

[fair merlin]

Scroll up or search this channel. It’s been mentioned a few times.

[jagged forum]

Ah. Got it. I tried doing a CTRL + F prior to asking but I must've used the wrong search terms. Thanks!

[fair merlin]

Yeah usually have to use the discord search from what I’ve seen.

[last gale]

Does Folia messes with networking stuff? Before folia one of my friends had normal ping and after folia he has like 2000-3000ms

[pseudo ibex]

I don’t think so

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[marsh yew]

Okay

[shrewd agate]

is it possible that in the future, folia will be optimized/changed to work better with systems with fewer than 16 cores?

[viral stone]

Not really

at the end of the day a system like folia will introduce overheads

Not to mention, you're now essentially running multiple smaller servers on 1 server

you need the extra cores to support that.

[shrewd agate]

why does folia remove commands such as worldborder?

[arctic tapir]

they rely on a global state

[shrewd agate]

are they permanently gone or will they be added back in the future?

[timid grotto]

they will be added when someone makes a PR that adds them back in a way that works with regions and it gets merged

[vagrant leaf]

Folia does only disable these commands but not their functionality right?

[rare hare]

Also their functionality iirc

[vagrant leaf]

Why exactly is bossbar disabled?
I cant imagine that the bossbar would affect the chunk moderation or something

[timid grotto]

global state

iirc bossbars can represent the total healh of a group of entities and those entities could be in different regions on folia

and it was easier to just disable the command entirely then just parts that probably would work

if your using folia you can probably figure out how to get a packet-based bossbar though

[vagrant leaf]

Nah I was just curious

[fair merlin]

The answer to "Why is [thing] disabled in Folia?" is because it needs a bit more work to be functional and that work hasn't been completed yet. Just about anything messing with global stuff needs work.

[drowsy mountain]

I love folia

[cosmic pawn]

If I wanna convert a server from being run on a paper jar to one being run on a folia jar, how hard would that be?

[livid crag]

Nothing world format wise is changed. It’s just your plugins

[cosmic pawn]

right right ok cool

[livid crag]

If your server has no plugin, it’s as simple as swapping the jar

[vast dust]

I can make any plugin Folia-compatible by removing all of its code

[fallow stone]

do scoreboards work if you use packets?

[daring nimbus]

yes

[cosmic pawn]

Also if I wanna run a folia server on my Ryzen 9 7950x3d machine, do I have to make sure that it's the only server running on that machine? For example I have 4 other paper servers running on the machine

[fair merlin]

Yes.

You want 16 cores/32 threads just for Folia.

[cosmic pawn]

rip

[fair merlin]

You won’t want to run anything else on that box.

[cosmic pawn]

so you can't even run a proxy server alongside the folia server?

[fallow stone]

It's just not ideal

[fair merlin]

You want 16 cores/32 threads dedicated just to Folia.

If you have 32 cores/64 threads you can run other stuff.

[cosmic pawn]

So I should run the proxy on another machine or have a machine with more than 16c/32t?

[fair merlin]

Pretty much.

[fallow stone]

Is there any high frequency 24c/24t or 32c/32t cpus?

[cosmic pawn]

right right. so the AMD EPYC is the ideal machine for folia

[fair merlin]

Not necessarily.

[fallow stone]

threads for regions would be slower

would be better for a large number of regions

[cosmic pawn]

Out of all machines available to rent

[cosmic pawn]

Tbf if I was running a large survival or anarchy server, its probs better to have more regions than faster regions

[cosmic pawn]

Out of all currently available machines to rent from Hetzner or OVH, what is the best machine to run folia alongside a proxy?

[fallow stone]

Entirely depends on what you want to do

More regions, go for epyc, less regions but faster, go for 7950x

[cosmic pawn]

Ik but surely "more regions" is a better fit for survival and anarchy than the latter

[timid grotto]

the number of regions isnt static

it will create and merge them as needed based on where players are

so just because you have more threads doesnt mean you will have more regions

[spare tendon]

even still, i’d probably use a thread ripper rather than epyc if possible

probably not offered by hosting companies

[drowsy mountain]

what advantages does the threadripper have over epyc

[elder portal]

I think hella more threads?

[spare tendon]

not more threads, just higher clock speeds

although, some of them do have a lot of threads

[drowsy mountain]

I mean amd just released a cpu that has over 258 threads to its name

[drowsy mountain]

I mean for threadripper, it would have to be a custom bujild because most hosting companies just dont offer it due to no demand for it

[scenic sky]

threadripper as a platform is kinda dead

modern epycs are really fast

and ryzen 9's are the new threadripper

[drowsy mountain]

true the highest spec i was talking abt has a clock of 3.1 which is quite impressive for a cpu of this range

[drowsy mountain]

exactly

[spare tendon]

ur ded

[barren forge]

Hey quick question.
I've read to the sticked posts in this channel and through the ReadMe on github.
Why exactly does it take 16 physical cores for Folia to work properly and would not sustain players on lower cores?

[rare hare]

Folia uses many threads. These are only beneficial if you have enough cores such that these threads can actually run simultaneously. If you don't have that, your computer will be constantly switching between which thread is allowed to do some work. This incurs overheads, so not only do you not get a performance improvement from the additional threads, you actually get a performance decrease due to all the overhead. So Folia is only beneficial if you have enough cores to handle all the threads, hence why you need more cores than you'd need for a normal Paper server.

[barren forge]

Thanks for that good explanation! :))

[rare hare]

No problem

[finite hinge]

You have JIT threads, GC threads, netty threads, chunk IO threads, and chunk generation threads (Paper has all of these too) then you have region threads. Making the world tick on independent regions adds overhead which means each individual Folia region is slower than a Paper server so if you don't have enough cores to keep several of them running at once you're better off with Paper. A lot of that number comes from the expectation that Folia will be used on large servers though. If you have a server with 10 players that are like to play singleplayer with massive laggy farms but visit each other sometimes you might be able to get away with less cores and have better performance than Paper but you'll have to manually tune the GC, netty, chunk, and region threads being created as by default it'll decide you should only have 1 region

Oof that turned into a novel

[last gale]

I noticed that command blocks are not working on folia servers. Is there a way to enable it, or currently its not available?

[livid crag]

Nope and likely not.

[last gale]

Bummers. Thanks.
I was just making a worldspawn place for players to join. Players cant destroy block, but mobs, like creepers do. Any idea for it? Maybe any plugin?

[viral stone]

spawn protection?

[last gale]

it only protects from ppl

creeper blow me up, and it blow the sorrundings too

[viral stone]

I mean

vanilla has built in protection for players modifying spawn

the range is set in the server.properties

the thing activates if you have anybody who is op'd

[last gale]

i was at spawn, in survival mode, spawn protection is set to 250 blocks, a creeper came while I was afk and it blow up, and now only I died, but the sorrounding block also broke

i wasnt oped

[viral stone]

you being op'd is irrevant

I think i misread your intent

if you want to prevent mobs from being able to do damage there, you'd need a plugin like worldguard

idk if that supports folia or not

[last gale]

yeah, thats my intention, worldguard fails to load in folia

[livid crag]

Plugin need to be updated to be used on Folia

[floral hawk]

what is the best / easiest way i can convert my 1.12.2 world to 1.19

[fair merlin]

I would load it on Paper first to get it to upgrade. Then load it on Folia. Probably overly cautious but better safe than sorry.

Keep a backup, but tossing it on 1.19 should just upgrade it. Don’t do forceUpgrade

[floral hawk]

yeah i backed up my world already

[pseudo ibex]

There is a PR on WorldGuard Folia. Although it won’t be merged until there is a WorldEdit PR for Folia as well.

[last gale]

so it might work, if I compile it myself?

[pseudo ibex]

Yes

I think there is also a fork of World Edit folia based on the issue reports I have been seeing on Folia GitHub where they list the plugins

I found it

https://github.com/HarvelsX/WorldEdit

[last gale]

https://github.com/EngineHub/WorldEdit/pull/2379
they have PR too, but maybe not proper support yet

also, w/o worldedit WorldGuard doesnt start

[pseudo ibex]

You didn't compile it correctly then

I was able to compile WorldGuard

although the instructions for WorldEdit on https://github.com/EngineHub/WorldEdit/blob/master/COMPILING.md are incorrect as it does not compile with gradlew build.

[last gale]

i didnt complie it yet, used one of the stables for paper for testing rn

[pseudo ibex]

Oh?

try it on Folia

It should work for both as I tested it and from what I recall it loaded

I would send the jar, but I have been told no sending jars on this discord

So you will have to compile it yo self

[last gale]

it shouldnt be that hard

oh well

but WorldGuard needs WorldGuard what

[daring nimbus]

WorldGuard needs WorldEdit

the required plugins are in the [ ]

[pseudo ibex]

Ahhh I managed to build it

I was doing it wrong for WorldEdit

[pseudo ibex]

If you want I could show you a video on how to do it

[last gale]

sure

[last gale]

sup

[pseudo ibex]

Okay when I get back home I will

[floral hawk]

what cpu do you guys recommend for folia

[arctic tapir]

at least 16 cores

[safe birch]

java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot read field "f" because "pos" is null
    at io.papermc.paper.util.CoordinateUtils.getChunkKey(CoordinateUtils.java:29) ~[folia-1.20.1.jar:git-Folia-"c4d50b6"]
    at io.papermc.paper.chunk.system.scheduling.ChunkHolderManager.removeTicketAtLevel(ChunkHolderManager.java:686) ~[folia-1.20.1.jar:git-Folia-"c4d50b6"]
    at net.minecraft.server.level.DistanceManager.removeTicket(DistanceManager.java:97) ~[?:?]
    at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerChunkCache.removeTicketAtLevel(ServerChunkCache.java:119) ~[?:?]
    at io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.RegionizedWorldData.tickConnections(RegionizedWorldData.java:469) ~[folia-1.20.1.jar:git-Folia-"c4d50b6"]
    at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.tickServer(MinecraftServer.java:1502) ~[folia-1.20.1.jar:git-DirtyFolia-"c4d50b6"]
    at io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.TickRegions$ConcreteRegionTickHandle.tickRegion(TickRegions.java:367) ~[folia-1.20.1.jar:git-Folia-"c4d50b6"]
    at io.papermc.paper.threadedregions.TickRegionScheduler$RegionScheduleHandle.runTick(TickRegionScheduler.java:388) ~[folia-1.20.1.jar:git-Folia-"c4d50b6"]
    at ca.spottedleaf.concurrentutil.scheduler.SchedulerThreadPool$TickThreadRunner.run(SchedulerThreadPool.java:525) ~[folia-1.20.1.jar:git-Folia-"c4d50b6"]
    at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:833) ~[?:?]
[12:18:46] [Region shutdown thread/INFO]: [RegionShutdownThread] Awaiting scheduler termination for 60s
[12:18:46] [Region shutdown thread/INFO]: [RegionShutdownThread] Scheduler halted```

help me

[fair merlin]

You're using a fork of Folia. We don't support forks here.

[pseudo ibex]

It does look like there is a build exception with the fork of World Edit

[cosmic pawn]

Someone here told me earlier that if I want to run a server on Folia, I would need to dedicate at least 16 entire cores entirely to it.

To what extent can I have other processes like Waterfall proxy alongside it?

Like is it not possible to dedicate like 12 cores to folia? Has that been done before?

[kind grail]

It's possible, it will work, I did a test run using 7700 with 8 cores and it was normal. My world is fully pregen though. Nothing stops you from trying.

[cosmic pawn]

Did you test with players on? Or like stress test it?

[cosmic pawn]

Yeah i shall try it out

what is the reason devs say “dedicate at least 16 cores to it”

[fluid cradle]

hello, can I ask if there WorldGuard and WorldEdit/FAWE forks for folia? If you have links, it would be fine

[kind grail]

Yes will real players, there were 70 players online, survival server with 100×100 pregen world, lots of mobs as I had big spawn rates. It worked, Paper was near the 50 mspt, Folia had multiple regions, no region was close to 20 mspt

[kind grail]

I think their vision is that folia isn't useful for «small» servers, where «small» is less than 150-200 players, so in order to benefit from using folia you need huge specs to avoid any lags, region logic overhead, etc. My experience is that you can benefit from folia on smaller server too using less powerful CPU than recommended. Especially if you have big world with lots of entities and your tick time is already high because of the amount of entities, this is where it helps for sure. But for now I'm back to regular Paper because I need to make big custom plugins compatible with folia and I don't have time to do it currently

[echo ingot]

hello, how can I fix this ?

[arctic tapir]

you need to clone it

[echo ingot]

how can I clone ?

[arctic tapir]

https://i.imgur.com/b2a1E46.png

[cosmic pawn]

Thanks for the info. My main thing was that my server has never been able to viably push above 150 players. So this is very good to hear. Also what machine did you run it on?

[fluid cradle]

Сan I ask if there WorldGuard and WorldEdit/FAWE forks for folia? If you have links, it would be fine

[viral stone]

use the search, pretty sure people have linked such things

theres also a github repo thingy with links to various plugins which have WIP forks, etc, for folia support

[kind grail]

It was Ryzen 7700, 64 GB of RAM, SSD, fully pregenerated world 100'000 x 100'000, players were well separated (it was normal survival). As always, your mileage may vary, but as you can see 16 cores is not a hard-coded requirement. You can try to check how it works for your server but one should expect that it can actually run worse depending on the hardware config, server config, how your players play etc. Players should be well distributed in the world so it's not guaranteed that you get an improvement. You can have multiple players who live, let's say, 1000 blocks from each other, and they will be placed in one big region, effectively omitting all the folia benefit. So it's not a silver bullet for survival servers. But yeah, worth a try even if you don't have 16 cores.

[cosmic pawn]

how much ram did you dedicate to the folia server on 8 cores?

[kind grail]

48GB. But it was only one test, I just put something "big" relative to the overall amount. I think I could put less. I would like to do more real world tests on such "not recommended configs" in the feature.

[pseudo ibex]

There is a WG PR, and a FAWE PR. Both are also forks.

You have to build it however

[lusty panther]

Would Folia be good for a 200 player survival games server?

[arctic tapir]

if the players are spread out and you have the hardware, maybe

[tribal finch]

8

[worldly moat]

Is there an installation guide or support for install?

[fair merlin]

"Installation" is the same as Paper - simply drop in the jar. But you need to build it from source. The instructions on the Paper repo work for Folia also.

[worldly moat]

I found a video to install with github cli and manual windows download and keeps popping up an installtion error half way through?

[fair merlin]

No idea what that is. I recommend reading the Paper repo cloning it and building it yourself.

[cosmic pawn]

I think you could get away with just using paper for a 200 player survival games server if you optimise it. But yes folia would be good for that too

[cosmic pawn]

Also i'm having trouble building the folia jar. I've cloned the repository onto my pc. How do I build it?

[fair merlin]

Follow the instructions from the Paper repository.

[cosmic pawn]

Does that mean I should clone the paper repo as well? Or are you just saying that I run these commands inside the folia repo?

[fair merlin]

You don't need to clone the Paper repo. Folia is a fork of Paper, so you follow the same instructions for building Paper as you do for building Folia.

[cosmic pawn]

Thanks

Damn the plugin support for folia still lacking i see.

How much does a plugin dev need to change in order for their plugin to support folia

[arctic tapir]

depends on the plugin

[finite hinge]

For some plugins it's a single line of code, for some it's a day of work, for some it's a complete rewrite, and for some it's literally not possible to get the exact same features but only something that is similar enough most of the time

[fossil vigil]

with enough synchronization, anything is possible 😎

[finite hinge]

Sure, locking the entire server is possible 😛

I'm pretty sure you can't properly implement command blocks without risking a deadlock for any non-trivial usage, for example

[fossil vigil]

why command blocks?

whats not synchronizable

[finite hinge]

Command blocks need to return a number the same tick they're triggered, that number is how many entities/blocks/whatever they modified (or something different if the command is special) but running that command requires doing work on multiple regions

So you have to block region A waiting for the result of the command block and it can't continue until the command logic has run on every region (or more than region A, anyway)

What happens if some other region needs to wait until something happens on region A at the same time

[fossil vigil]

then you fail the second command immediately

but yeah thats an interesting scenario

[finite hinge]

The second thing might not be a commandblock, it could be the region merge logic

You'd need a single set of (reentrant?) locks everything cooperates on taking in order to have the thing that is about to deadlock your server have a chance of handling things gracefully

And the most graceful solution might just be "turn the server off"

If command blocks didn't have a return value you can see in redstone they would already be enabled in Folia, I think

Because without that return value you could just run them and they'd split their work across the schedulers for the regions they affect and finish whenever

[viral stone]

Command blocks expect to run in a global state

[fossil vigil]

Command blocks need to return a number the same tick they're triggered
what if we just ignore this?

do they really need to return in the same tick

[finite hinge]

You break datapacks and "adventure maps"

[fossil vigil]

they're broken anyways if commandblocks don't work

[finite hinge]

Well, yeah, but without datapacks and adventure maps why even have them?

[fossil vigil]

but also, what exactly do they break?

im pretty sure most command blocks just trigger some effect for example

or teleport you

[finite hinge]

I think these days you can mostly use scoreboards and their pseudo programming language to get conditional logic but the command block return value is meant to allow you to make a redstone machine to do different things when you get different command results

[viral stone]

commands return an output with a success counter which is basically used for redstone

Like, there comes a level of "for basic ass isolationary stuff, sure, it can work"

but, you can't tell that that is the case cleanly

all of this stuff expects to run in a global state to be able to do much

[fossil vigil]

you mean because it could become a potential race condition in a redstone circuit?

[finite hinge]

Anyway, we're getting caught up on command blocks when they were just an example of how not everything can be implemented on Folia, no matter how much locking you throw at the problem

[fossil vigil]

a single global lock to modify any global state "would" fix the problem... but then theres no point to folia

[finite hinge]

No it would just break the circuit if that circuit depended on timing

[vast dust]

It's entirely possible to use command blocks without making use of the return value, though

[finite hinge]

You've also missed the point

[vast dust]

So maybe some users may benefit from a switch to turn on partial command block features. Not that it's very important, but could be nice for some people

[viral stone]

We don't know that you're not using that

and vanilla commands don't entirely expect to run in such an isolationary state

like, yea, you could store some trivial aspect of them to execute commands

[finite hinge]

Again, it was an example of how some things are going to be insanely hard or outright impossible to implement on a Folia server

[vast dust]

It was a good example, yes

[tall marsh]

datapacks + functions for example are fully global

[finite hinge]

That reminds me, I should look at the WG port

I wonder if they just tossed a lock on the PRTree and config or added a per-region cache

[viral stone]

apparently their stuff there is already designed to work threaded

but, idk the entire story

biggest blocker is WE

at least to my understanding

[fossil vigil]

idea for the command block problem:

what if every region stored an immutable snapshot of the state up to the last tick. If another region requests data from this region, you keep that snapshot alive long enough for data to be collected and then it gets deleted.
You would need to synchronize access to the latest "immutable state"

although im guessing the overhead of creating these immutable snapshots would be great

[viral stone]

except that's irrelevant

idek what that "state" would be

you have people running pretty far reaching commands on command blocks

i.e. teleporation

[fossil vigil]

entity positions at least

maybe some data on blocks, but then you're getting into big data

[tall marsh]

you need lots for commands
minecraft:execute as @e in minecraft:the_end positioned as @s run fill ~-5 ~-5 ~-5 ~5 ~5 ~5 glass

[fossil vigil]

oh i seem to also have completely blacked out the part where commands can modify the global state

[tall marsh]

or even just kill @e

[fossil vigil]

you can schedule stuff like that

[tall marsh]

even though it returns the number of entities killed?

in the next tick

[fossil vigil]

add it to each region's task

well it wouldn't return in the next tick

i think thats the most problematic requirement

but oh well

[viral stone]

you'd basically need to rewrite all those commands to be able to basically either get ahold of the entire world state somehow, introducing many dozen other concerns, or basically rewrite the commands to be "smert", which is just an entire headache in and of itself

[tranquil lintel]

i have a question

Why is there only 1 region lag and not other regions?

[viral stone]

because your players are probably too close

[tranquil lintel]

And can someone help me see why I'm stunted

https://paste.helpch.at/onaxufaqez.php

[viral stone]

We don't provide support for software that isn't ours

[tranquil lintel]

i thought it was due to folia but it's not?

[viral stone]

We don't know

We have no idea what changes random software on the internet makes to our software

We can't provide support for it

[paper siren]

most likely there's going on a lot in that one region

[tranquil lintel]

So is this a software problem?

hmm

[fathom hawk]

What is folia?

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[fluid cradle]

Hello! Is there a way to create separate "spawn" world

[viral stone]

only supported way to load a world atm is using a datapack

[tropic otter]

Is folia on it's way to be released soon or development is slow?

[tawdry gull]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[mossy belfry]

Could Folia theoretically trade more than 800+ players on a server realistically?

[frozen harbor]

can someone help me fix this error ?
https://paste.helpch.at/hukobumuje.php?fbclid=IwAR00_at2PXBwdtpLoMbwuCPfP9uGrr-ZuQzz1QSBhBzFg0P8v0tuHAIGR_8

[viral stone]

file a bug report

[frozen harbor]

what do u mean?

[viral stone]

from the looks of it, it's a bug

so go file a bug report

[frozen harbor]

ok, thank bro

[worldly moat]

Does anyone else have trouble using gradle applypatches and get a build error when building the jar?

every single time I watch people do it fails

[fair merlin]

Post the error.

[viral stone]

I'm guessing you failed the first step

clone the git repo

[worldly moat]

ya I did from the beginning gh repo clone PaperMC/Folia

[viral stone]

Oh, you're inside a folder nside a folder, misread

try a shoter path

i.e. do it directly on the C drive rather than multiple layers deep

[paper siren]

or enable long paths

[viral stone]

outside of that, run with the flags there

[worldly moat]

alright I restarting it inside c:\

this is what I got

[tacit tartan]

rerun with --stacktrace

[worldly moat]

https://scans.gradle.com/s/n3ytovmolbgrc - Here is a gradle scan if this helps anymore?

[viral stone]

Run the clean caches task

You have a busted file somewhere, but am too dead

[worldly moat]

what do u mean?

[tacit tartan]

I assume cat means the clean task

[worldly moat]

.\gradlew applypatches --clean?

[tacit tartan]

no, gradle clean

[worldly moat]

ok and just for the fun of it I tried the same with paper and it worked just fine

and gradle clean didnt work

[viral stone]

cleanCaches

Or whatever the task was

[feral hazel]

800 players is a lot, but if the hardware is right and the players are all in different regions, you can think about it. But I think with 800 players on a Folia server, the plugins and everything around them must know exactly what they are doing. Also don't forget the bandwidth with so many players!

[feral hazel]

@mossy belfry but if you only make comparatively few chunks in your world available for players at all, then it will look like this in the end. If you only use one region anyway, you should use Paper instead of Folia. But if you have a huge world where players split up sensibly, it should work with reasonable hardware.
Folia recommends 16 cores (not threads!) for a Folia server.

Maybe look here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36488461

[tranquil lintel]

my server dedicated have 22 cores

[feral hazel]

Yes, but your players are all in the same region, so Folia can't do anything about that. The difference between Paper and Folia is that the regions all tick individually instead of the while server ticking individually. If you only have all players in one region, then only one region ticks and you have a similar effect as with Paper.

If your players are divided into different regions, then everything would work perfectly if each region only had 20 players, for example. Maybe take a look here: https://docs.papermc.io/folia/reference/region-logic

Folia is for servers where players split up in a big world. If your players are all close together, meaning in one region, then you should be more likely to use Paper. As Folia also describes in the FAQ, SMP and SkyBlock Server will probably benefit the most from Folia.

[random garnet]

i have a doubt if i switch my server to folia can i revert it back to papermc later???

[fluid cradle]

I have a question, the usual PaperMC, will give better performance if all players are in the same place? Because I have survival server, and when I have wipe event, all players are in the one area, during few hours

[feral hazel]

How do you mean switch? The plugins all have to be reprogrammed and offer support for Folia. This is no small thing on larger servers, but if we leave that out, Folia won't care if you delete the Folia server and import the backup where you used Paper.

[random garnet]

dnt include plugins I'm talking about worlds

[feral hazel]

If you only use one region, then Paper is probably a better choice.

[feral hazel]

As far as I know it doesn't matter so you can do worlds from Folia servers to Paper servers and vice versa. Someone please corret me if I'm wrong.

[fluid cradle]

I just don't quite know how the power distribution works, but do you think it will lag more on Folia, from the number of players in one place?

[random garnet]

okay I just wanna test folia in my.private server

[feral hazel]

Read this: https://docs.papermc.io/folia/reference/region-logic

[fluid cradle]

Or globally it will not get worse, that on paper

[feral hazel]

Make a backup beforehand and then be on the safe side.

[random garnet]

okay I'll test

so players can build giga farms without affecting others

[feral hazel]

If everything happens on one region, then Paper is a better choice. If you have your big farms all in the same region then the Folia region lags just like Paper

[random garnet]

no players are spread out like bases are frm millions

to spawn

[feral hazel]

Folia isn't about how many players are within X chunks. Folia creates new regions based on the loaded chunks, Folia doesn't care about the players in the region.

[fluid cradle]

What type of CPU is better for folia?
Server CPU's like Xeons and Epycs?
I just have AMD Ryzen 9 7950x, is it good for folia?

[feral hazel]

Folia likes a lot of cores, I thnik that sums it up nicely. Of course, you must not forget the single core clock when a lot is happening in a region. I would prefer the Ryzen 7950x.

[fluid cradle]

Thank you

[azure badge]

Will Folia fix the redstone and farms mechanics lag + lots of mob spawning lag issues?

[inner swift]

Folia regionizes things

[finite hinge]

If you have a single region with too much stuff it'll still slowdown but other regions will be fine

[inner swift]

So if lag happens, it's going to be contained in that region as long as you have enough somewhat strong cores and players are actually spread far from each other to form more regions

[worldly moat]

Sorry for the reply ping but I did the same thing on my server tower with pterodactyland I got it to build

[near harness]

Hey guys! I just stumbled upon folia a few days ago and got into it today a bit more. I have a very simple "gamemode" plugin in which players are being spread thousands of blocks apart and need to find each other etc. etc. PvP style.

But due to some hardware issues and especially the single core usage of a default server I had the player amount extremly limited to reduce the lag. (Most of the time at 25 to 35 players)

Folia sounds too good to be true and I'd love to recreate the plugin for a folia server. I don't have a server of my own that would fit the (16 core) bill so I would go for a VPS for the actual production system.

2 TB of of storage should be enough with a pregenerated map/calculated max size of the map through a force field.

So naturally what I'm the most concerned with is the ram. In your example/test run with the 350 players I saw that you had a server with 500GB of allocated Ram. Is such a large amount normal? I couldn't find any info about the render distance/cached chunk settings.
The vps i would use for a test run would have 60GB of ram would it be possible to give an estimate for how many players that would actually be enough for? Or can someone provide me with a way of how I would go about calculating the player to ram relation myself?

[quaint ingot]

Depends on how much players you have, 60G would be more than plenty for 35 players

500G was purely for demonstration purposes

[feral hazel]

As far as I know, the ram that Folia needs not differ much from the ram requirements of Paper. Nobody can tell you how much ram you have to reckon with per player because we don't know that mischief your plugins are up to.
But with your 60GB ram you will certainly not have any problems by 50 players.

[quaint ingot]

https://paper-chan.moe/folia/#records

Do I need a spec like this to drive Folia?

No, this was purely done as a proof of concept. The hardware we acquired for the public test is a complete overkill, and every aspect of it was just ridiculous. I hope it makes a drastic first impression!

Do I need 500GB of RAM and Shenandoah GC to run Folia?

No, it was just a rare chance for us to test Shenandoah GC as this is the perfect environment it is made for. G1GC with Aikar's flag is still recommended and the most suitable GC for the majority of Minecraft servers.

[near harness]

Okay thank you so much for the info I guess I will try to rewrite the plug-in then, let’s see how far I can get with 60gb 💪🏻! And sorry I seem to have missed this section somehow you just posted…

[quaint ingot]

Expect somewhere around 80-100

[near harness]

That would be more than plenty thank you!

[feral hazel]

But keep in mind that with Folia, just like with Paper, the RAM is not important for performance! It's still about the CPU and especially the cores. A high single-core clock is only important when a lot is happening in a region. But if all your players are in other regions and not much is happening in the individual regions, then make sure you get more cores.
If you have few cores that tick multiple regions on the same croe, then a higher single core clock would make a lot of sense.

If I were you, if the players are all so far away, I would see that I get more cores instead of trying to increase the ram or single core clock.

[near harness]

Yes I will keep that in mind. I guess I should play around and see what the most efficient map size will be in terms of performance/to keep them grouped. Or maybe just give them a new incentive in the game mode to play in teams, that could already help, even if only slightly. This system just opens a ton of new possibilities, I’m exited to see how it’ll turn out 💪🏻

[north hatch]

60G is also overkill for 35 players

Depending on the GC used, 60G may actually make your GC cycles take longer times

[quaint ingot]

Well, notice I said more than plenty, not suitable.

[quaint ingot]

And also this

[feral hazel]

Yes very cool! If you have a report on your experience, please write it here or maybe write to me privately. I'm always interested in something like that.

[north hatch]

Also you may be interested in some statistics and metrics from my Folia tests: https://cubxity.dev/blog

[feral hazel]

Cool, thanks!

[near harness]

Will do that once I have some results. My first major issue is probably going to be to get more than 50 players but TikTok and YT Shorts have been such a nice way for advertising in short bursts/trends that I don’t think it’ll actually be a problem

[feral hazel]

I am excited

[near harness]

This is very interesting to read thank you so much for sharing!

[worldly moat]

So in reality with folia u want the opposite of a normal sever. U want more cores than high clock speeds or does that still matter in some cases. And does folia automatically grab new cores or do you set it some how?

[viral stone]

I mean

a region is basically a ticking server

the singe thread performance is still relevant to those individual servers

[north hatch]

larger regions -> higher clock speed
more regions -> higher core count

[viral stone]

it's really all going to boil down to how your players spread, etc

[north hatch]

so, both? depending on your use case

And you have to configure the thread count manually, it has a default automatic value but I would change it manually

[worldly moat]

So like for an example 2b2t with more chunks registered with 1-300 players u want more cores?

[random garnet]

./gradlew applyPatches '.' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.

how do i solve this

windows

[north hatch]

What?

[north hatch]

Use gradlew.bat

[viral stone]

the number of chunks is irrelevant

what matters is the player spread

[worldly moat]

Ur basically saying more chunks registered u want more cores right?

[viral stone]

as that determines how regions will form

[worldly moat]

Oh

[random garnet]

can u elaborate

ok

worked

[north hatch]

Use gradlew.bat instead of ./gradlew since you're on windows

[worldly moat]

.\gradlew applypatches for windows

[random garnet]

okay

[worldly moat]

./gradlew for Linux

[tall marsh]

No, CMD doesn't do local stuff like that

[worldly moat]

It worked for me but I guess do what cubixity said

[tall marsh]

That might work if you use git bash actually. But probably using the .bat is that way to got

[random garnet]

so what do i use instead of this in windows?
./gradlew createReobfBundlerJar

or gradlew.bat covered both?

[next bloom]

gradlew.bat is for windows, gradlew is for other superior oses

[random garnet]

okay

xD

[random garnet]

C:\Users\he_ad_hunt_er\Desktop\folia compiled\Folia>gradlew.bat
Downloading https://services.gradle.org/distributions/gradle-8.0.2-bin.zip
...........10%............20%............30%............40%............50%............60%...........70%............80%............90%............100%

Welcome to Gradle 8.0.2!

Here are the highlights of this release:
 - Improvements to the Kotlin DSL
 - Fine-grained parallelism from the first build with configuration cache
 - Configurable Gradle user home cache cleanup

For more details see https://docs.gradle.org/8.0.2/release-notes.html

Starting a Gradle Daemon (subsequent builds will be faster)

> Task :help

Welcome to Gradle 8.0.2.

To run a build, run gradlew <task> ...

To see a list of available tasks, run gradlew tasks

To see more detail about a task, run gradlew help --task <task>

To see a list of command-line options, run gradlew --help

For more detail on using Gradle, see https://docs.gradle.org/8.0.2/userguide/command_line_interface.html

For troubleshooting, visit https://help.gradle.org

BUILD SUCCESSFUL in 10m 41s
1 actionable task: 1 executed``` is this correct is there more steps for building folia

[next bloom]

well you just ran the script, you need to specify a task

[random garnet]

ic

gradle.bat applyPatches

right

[random garnet]

C:\Users\he_ad_hunt_er\Desktop\folia compiled\Folia>gradle.bat applyPatches
'gradle.bat' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\he_ad_hunt_er\Desktop\folia compiled\Folia>
``` doesnt work can u elaborate

[next bloom]

well you spelled the script wrong

you had it right the first time you ran it, you just needed to add the task after it

gradlew.bat vs gradle.bat

[random garnet]

oh ok ok

ok it works

[random garnet]

somehow it failed

C:\Users\he_ad_hunt_er\Desktop\folia compiled\Folia>gradle.bat applyPatches
'gradle.bat' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

> Task :paper:patchCraftBukkit FAILED
> Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchCraftBukkit'.
> io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false clone --no-hardlinks 'C:\Users\he_ad_hunt_er\Desktop\folia compiled\Folia\.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper\work\CraftBukkit' 'C:\Users\he_ad_hunt_er\Desktop\folia compiled\Folia\.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper\.gradle\caches\paperweight\taskCache\patchCraftBukkit.repo'

* Try:
> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
> Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
> Run with --scan to get full insights.

* Get more help at https://help.gradle.org

BUILD FAILED in 35m 40s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed
<-------------> 0% WAITING
> IDLE
> IDLE
> IDLE
> IDLE```

how do i fix this

[finite hinge]

Move it to C:\Folia

[random garnet]

okay I'll try that

[azure badge]

So basically with Folia lags can occur only on the lag-causing regions and not the whole regions/server.

[inner swift]

Assuming enough CPU cores yes

[azure badge]

BAN

[runic kayak]

<@&748618676189528155> Please see above.

[scenic sky]

aw man i was about to join

[near harness]

Quick question is folia currently only availabel for maven plugins and not for gradle? I tried interpreting the maven syntax to gradle but it doesent work. Should I setup a maven project to be safe?

repositories {
    mavenCentral()
    maven("https://repo.papermc.io/repository/maven-public/")
}

dependencies {
    compileOnly("dev.foli:folia-api:1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
    implementation("com.mysql:mysql-connector-j:8.0.31")
}

java {
    toolchain.languageVersion.set(JavaLanguageVersion.of(17))
}

[scenic sky]

try spelling folia correctly

[near harness]

I'm so sorry this is so embarrassing....

Thank you 🫶

[coarse vapor]

Is it possible to split Folia into multiple servers? I've only seen MultiPaper do this, but I was wondering if Folia could do it?

[arctic tapir]

no

[timid grotto]

just making ticks multi-threaded is a headache, let alone mutli-threaded on multiple systems

[finite hinge]

multipaper made things harder on itself by letting multiple servers modify the same part of the world rather than sharding it like folia does

iirc that made it scale badly enough that you ended up needing a server per 2 players if they got too close to each other

[prime juniper]

What's better for Folia?:
a) Ryzen 9 3950X 16c/32t 4,4Ghz All Core Turbo OC
cinebench R20 Multicore 10,103 score
b) Dual Xeon E5-2696 v3 38c/72t 3,1Ghz All Core Turbo
cinebench R20 Multicore 11,570 score

[worldly moat]

How come I cant get essentialsx, vault, worldedit, world guard plugins to work on 1.20.1 folia

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[livid crag]

Plugins have to be updated to work for Folia, please read more on the links above.

[worldly moat]

ya essentialsx is built for 1.20.1 stated in their change log and dev test for 1.20.1 paper. Folia is fork of paper

[hexed ice]

That doesn't mean any paper plugin will run on folia

Essentials is still working on folia support, you'd need to compile their branch yourself

[worldly moat]

ah

[feral hazel]

If you have many regions and relatively little happens in the individual regions, the Dual Xeon system. If you have fewer regions but more in each region then the Ryzen happens.

[acoustic trench]

Hey, when is Folia updating to the latest Paper commit? I use some new Paper api and would love if it also works with Folia.

[fair merlin]

There’s no ETA for when Folia pulls from upstream. Leaf typically waits for a bunch of changes before upstreaming AFAIK

[acoustic trench]

Alright, thank you

[somber belfry]

just curious

why don’t spigot plugins work on folia

like what needs to be added for plugins to support folia

[livid crag]

Depends on plugin, it could be as easy as a toggle or a complete rewrite @somber belfry

[tacit tartan]

Folia completely replaces the Scheduler, a class that damn near every plugin uses for something or other. There;s other things too, but that's the main one

[livid crag]

Any plugin using bukkit scheduler will need to be changed

Which is a good majority of them

[somber belfry]

and folia doesn’t plan to make it so that doesn’t need to be replaced

so every plugin will work

[livid crag]

It is impossible

[somber belfry]

oh

[livid crag]

Most popular plugins do have branch for Folia. You may just need to compile the branch for a jar

[hexed ice]

Plugins need to be able to handle stuff running in parallel, they cant expect that only one thing happens at a time since theres no main thread

[somber belfry]

yea i’d love to use folia but less then half the plugins i use support it

[viral stone]

plugins make assumptions that folia flat out breaks

many plugins will probably work as-is assuming you can try to keep within the new rules naturally

[somber belfry]

oh

i wish it was added to paper so people would be forced to update

it would be really good if every plugin supported it

[livid crag]

You can ask for a feature request

[viral stone]

just, no

[livid crag]

But the need for folia is niche, you can’t just force everyone to

[viral stone]

Folia adds a lot of overhead for the check/assurances it needs, etc

folia itself will never be merged into paper

i think a good number of people tryna jump onto folia would be better off sticking to paper, for various reasons

especially as the usecases which folia aligns with are generally the servers in which can afford, if not already need, an entire dev team

[near harness]

Hey guys I have some questions, code wise, about some stuff that needs to be updated/changed. I already know what needs to happen but its a code question. Should I post/ask here in the channel or in #folia-dev about code questions relating to plugin development?

[tacit tartan]

#folia-dev for any dev-related stuff, yes

[near harness]

Okay thank you!

[arctic tapir]

see here

[viral stone]

Because if you want to do that properly, you'd more just want to rewrite chunks of the server to have a single source of truth

except it's not sharded

that was one of the big things with MP is that you'd basically have cross region stuff fairly close together is my understanding

Because minecraft has a lot of shared state

i.e. the world

that's why they have a master server which is basically what deals with loading chunks, etc, which is what ends up being sent to the other servers

which is where you induce a lot of headaches because you basically have a few servers all mirroring chunks of the world more or less

and so you have a lot of headaches

what MP ideally wants to do an be done, but would be better done as an actual from the top solution rather than tryna butcher somebody elses butchered codebase

[thorn grove]

Can I use folia in 10v core VPS??

[timid grotto]

the minimum recommended is 16c/32t

[inner swift]

You probably don't want to run this in a VPS

[thorn grove]

16 core CPU is quite expensive in my country. My dedicated pc has only 8Cores

[scenic sky]

then you just dont use folia

[harsh spoke]

Folia not started on 8vCPU? Or it working werry bad on 8 cores?

[scenic sky]

better off just using paper if you dont have the hardware to properly run folia

it will run but wont have any benefit, and will probably perform worse than paper

[harsh spoke]

Okay. Minimum 16. 32 is best for folia, right?

[scenic sky]

that is what the documentation says, so id assume so

[harsh spoke]

on 16 cores its working really good? Or its minimum just for some working?

[scenic sky]

at 16 cores it will be able to have a benefit over paper

it all depends on your cpu though

[harsh spoke]

Okay, thx

[harsh spoke]

How nice currently Folia working on 32 and 64 cores? It give better performance? Have some options for machines with 32/64? I just trying to understand hot to get maximum from folia. Have a guides or recommendations for machines with this cores?

[inner swift]

7950x, 7950x3D, certain EPYCs

[void elbow]

DirtyFolia good core?

https://github.com/killerprojecte/Folia

[viral stone]

Nothing to do with us

[fallow stone]

public folia downloads?