do you have any errors?
#folia-help
viral coral
lofty magnet
probably because something is wrong
viral stone
C:\Users\Clxud\Folia\Folia-Server\src\main\java\org\bukkit\craftbukkit\util\CraftMagicNumbers.java:377: error: cannot find symbol
if (!pdf.isFoliaSupported()) {
I mean, that would suggest that you didn't have the patche appied properly or something
arctic tapir
what commands did you do
viral stone
rerun applyPatches?
dapper aspen
what commands did you do
literally it should just be
.\gradlew.bat applypatches and then .\gradlew.bat createMojmapPaperclipJar
viral stone
like, some folia specific method is missing, so all one can assume is that they failed for some reason
dapper aspen
rerun applyPatches?
still the same thing
hold on im gonna reclone the repo and try a fresh build
gradles unpredictability never fails to surprise me
https://img.clxud.dev/5WwymffHQX2u
marble escarp
when i build it there is a bunch of errors. is there a guide anywhere on how to do so?
arctic tapir
what commands did you do
pseudo ibex
Is there an auto restart plugin for folia?
Like a reloader?
spring patio
Like a reloader?
/restart
spring patio
I just need to turn the server on and off on a schedule
arctic tapir
I think you misunderstood what they meant lol
spring patio
In general, is there any point in restarting the server or can I run it once and forget?
pseudo ibex
I think you misunderstood what they meant lol
Hahhaha my bad
viral stone
auto restarting was pretty much only ever a thing due to older versions of java using garbage collectors which had some big issues
leaking plugins
and a few small leaks in the server
for the most part, auto restarts are a waste of everybodies time
daring nimbus
just make your start script start the server again once stopped, and then use /stop
steady zephyr
auto restarting was pretty much only ever a thing due to older versions of java ...
Bold to assume plugin devs have any consideration for memory
spring patio
Thank you for the explanation
fair merlin
Plugman X supports folia in its beta builds
Also not a plugin we recommend using
marble escarp
what commands did you do
.\gradlew.bat applypatches and then .\gradlew.bat createMojmapPaperclipJar
This is the error:
`
Task
patchCraftBukkit FAILED
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
- What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':paper:patchCraftBukkit'.
io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Command finished with 128 exit code: git -c commit.gpgsign=false -c core.safecrlf=false apply --ignore-whitespace --directory=src/main/java
--BUILD_DIRECTORY--\Folia.gradle\caches\paperweight\upstreams\paper.gradle\caches\paperweight\taskCache\patchCraftBukkitPatches.zip-1791796128\net\minecraft\world\level\storage\loot\predicates\LootItemConditionRandomChanceWithLooting.patch`I am going to try installing the latest version of Java
modest mist
can i get old version build?
hexed ice
you can checkout a specific commit and then build that
but, why would you even do that?
hexed ice
.\gradlew.bat applypatches and then .\gradlew.bat createMojmapPaperclipJar
This...
if you're running on windows then you're probably hitting the path length limit
marble escarp
if you're running on windows then you're probably hitting the path length limit
ohh ok. Il move it to another place then. Thanks
hexed ice
clone folia directly into C: and try again
marble escarp
clone folia directly into C: and try again
Ok Thanks!
marble escarp
./gradlew.bat applypatches has NOT given any errors but is currently 82% done at 41 minutes in
is that normal?
jagged ether
./gradlew.bat applypatches has NOT given any errors but is currently 82% done at...
at what part
also 41 minutes is way too much
jagged ether
Welcome to Windows
Building using Linux or Windows' WSL will generally be way faster
or well, excluding the directory from Windows Defender should help too
jagged ether
always does.
marble escarp
I have built it and is this the server? : folia-server-1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-mojang-mapped.jar
jagged ether
createReobfBundlerJar
jagged ether
whatever that spit out
marble escarp
folia-server-1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT-reobf.jar?
jagged ether
yes
manic basin
Linux only 1m
livid crag
Looks like your seed was changed
timid grotto
I just started the folia server and this terrain generated:
did you generate a new world or use a world that you already had?
arctic tapir
..?
proper moon
asyncschedule?
arctic tapir
what about it
proper moon
It was a assumption for the person above
sand rapids
Hello, I did not find the necessary information about per-player-mob-spawns in the Paper config, it is not there by default when creating the Folia server, does this mean that it is not supported?
sand rapids
ok, I got it, because when playing, it was noticed that the spawn rate of mobs began to seem noticeably smaller compared to paper
thanks for the answer
finite hinge
If you can tell the difference you probably either have other problems or too many people in a region
pseudo ibex
Someone told me “ Don't try to make it safe for stupid, just make it fail for stupid” and that “It's the current philosophy of Folia. Catch stupidity but don't try to fix it” is this all true and does folia even have a philosophy?
It is 3:12 so maybe I should sleep
But I’m curious
jagged ether
Knowledge of what you're doing is expected
Catching calls from invalid threads is just a fail-fast precaution, everyone makes mistakes
even Spigot does that
vast dust
Someone told me “ Don't try to make it safe for stupid, just make it fail for st...
It is the one and only true and beautiful philosophy of the ether that incorrect code should fail.
That it should fail sooner, rather than later, is a natural application of the principle; that preconditions be applied explicitly without dependence on circumstance, another.
marble escarp
did you generate a new world or use a world that you already had?
I started a Folia server and joined. That was the world it generated
flint gulch
whic plugins currently supports folia is there a any list?
livid crag
whic plugins currently supports folia is there a any list?
https://modrinth.com/plugins?g=categories:'folia'
https://hangar.papermc.io/?page=0&tag=SUPPORTS_FOLIA
most platform has a sorter
flint gulch
ty
flint gulch
does skript supports folia?
desert shale
does skript supports folia?
not sure but i think they added it in the latest beta
nvm thats was on matrix, skript doesnt support foila as it seems but you can try it
flint gulch
yea skript doesnt support yet
itemsadder also
skript is okey but I want itemsadderrrr
desert shale
items adder is op
paper granite
Hi all. I found a duplicate issue on the Folia GitHub https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/issues/19 that wasn't resolved there. Someone who goes by the username 'lynxplay' on GitHub claimed that the person of who submitted the issue, was hitting the path limit on Windows. However, I am having the same problem but my machine isn't hitting the windows path limit.
arctic tapir
try building it in wsl or directly on the C: drive
paper granite
Okay I will relocate the folder and try again
I relocated to the root directory of the C drive on Windows and it appears to have been resolved.
"D:\GrindMC\PracticeArena\Folia" was the original location of the clone
arctic tapir
then you were hitting the limit
paper granite
That is outrageous honestly.
paper granite
I had previously tried it in just "D:\GrindMC\Folia"
And also failed there too
Thank you for the assistance.
Trillion dollar company can't get anything right lol
fossil vigil
Trillion dollar company can't get anything right lol
sums it about up - use linux
paper granite
sums it about up - use linux
Can't. I play certain games that cannot be made to work on Linux.
Unfortunately
arctic tapir
use WSL
paper granite
I prefer to not dual boot to be honest.
fossil vigil
okay well thats your choice
paper granite
Yeah :/
fossil vigil
but its a possibility that would fix your dev environment
you're just not considering it
bleak python
wsl works fine
paper granite
If it gets on my nerve enough, I'll switch.
bleak python
well that's your choice
fossil vigil
yep
paper granite
WSL was good
But had to cut it as I was getting low on storage space.
I have a second drive now so I could reinstall a WSL distribution again
edgy obsidian
What would happen if a website offered a download link to a folia jar which is from the paper api?
is that allowed or-
arctic tapir
nothing can be done, but you really shouldn't advertise it
edgy obsidian
okay thank you
tawdry gullBOT
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arctic tapir
this biacally
full egret
Why the TPS vary a lot and fall down to 16-17 while the MSPT say very low??
Except the chunk gen what would be the reason
daring nimbus
Folia doesn't have tps catchup so the numbers will look a bit different. This looks very much fine
full egret
(and there are not a lot of mob)
full egret
Folia doesn't have tps catchup so the numbers will look a bit different. This lo...
Oh ok, also if you have 12 threads instead of 32, why folia isn't able to multi-thread like it normally does on my 64thread CPU? Meaning if you do something very intensive like blowing up 10 000 Minecraft TNT at spawn, everyone will lag even if you are millions blocks far away
daring nimbus
Have a look at the readme.md for how you can configure the threads it uses for different things
fair merlin
Oh ok, also if you have 12 threads instead of 32, why folia isn't able to multi-...
Sounds mostly like you’re bogging down the entire server. Not good enough hardware maybe?
full egret
Sounds mostly like you’re bogging down the entire server. Not good enough hardwa...
Most probably bad hard hardware yes, i7 9750H at 4.5GHz (6cores,12 threads)
daring nimbus
yeah thats below the minimum recommended for Folia by a large margin
fair merlin
Most probably bad hard hardware yes, i7 9750H at 4.5GHz (6cores,12 threads)
Oh yeah that’s very slow hardware for Folia.
full egret
Oh yeah that’s very slow hardware for Folia.
In that config better use something like pufferfish or gale paper fork I would guess ?
bleak python
We're gonna recommend Paper :^)
fair merlin
In that config better use something like pufferfish or gale paper fork I would g...
Would recommend Paper, yes.
regal atlas
hi guys, im getting the following errors when im trying to build folia
Task
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILEDcan anyone help me?
arctic tapir
show full log
regal atlas
regal atlas
i did that many times
arctic tapir
scroll up
regal atlas
that's all i have on cmd
regal atlas
after cloning and applying patches thats what i get
git clone https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia.git
gradlew applypatches
arctic tapir
do it directly on your C drive
regal atlas
ok ill try now
arctic tapir
or use WSL
arctic tapir
yes
regal atlas
what's actually needed on the os of the VPS?
arctic tapir
git
regal atlas
gradlew, git and java?
arctic tapir
bascially
tawdry gullBOT
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regal atlas
Starting a Gradle Daemon (subsequent builds will be faster)
Task :getPaperUpstreamData
Invalid Java installation found at '/usr/lib/jvm/openjdk-17' (Common Linux Locations). It will be re-checked in the next build. This might have performance impact if it keeps failing. Run the 'javaToolchains' task for more details.
Invalid Java installation found at '/usr/lib/jvm/openjdk-11' (Common Linux Locations). It will be re-checked in the next build. This might have performance impact if it keeps failing. Run the 'javaToolchains' task for more details.
Task
Task :getPaperUpstreamData FAILED
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
- What went wrong:
Execution failed for task 'decompileJar'.
io.papermc.paperweight.PaperweightException: Execution of 'org.jetbrains.java.decompiler.main.decompiler.ConsoleDecompiler' failed with exit code 137. Log file: /root/Folia/.gradle/caches/paperweight/upstreams/paper/.gradle/caches/paperweight/taskCache/decompileJar.log Classpath: /root/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/net.minecraftforge/forgeflower/2.0.627.2/e7434db4306e8dd6cc81c2a72a5d700caefca09/forgeflower-2.0.627.2.jar:/root/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/org.jetbrains/annotations/20.1.0/2fcd1f3225bca0c4a7bc931142076f8c1e80993f/annotations-20.1.0.jar
- Try:
Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace.
Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output.
Run with --scan to get full insights.
- Get more help at https://help.gradle.org
BUILD FAILED in 11m 22s
2 actionable tasks: 2 executed
i don't understand what im doing wrong...
austere tartan
It is litterly telling u what the problem is
Invalid Java installation found at '/usr/lib/jvm/openjdk-17'
regal atlas
ive seen that but java is installed
openjdk version "17.0.7" 2023-04-18
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 17.0.7+7-Ubuntu-0ubuntu122.04.2)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 17.0.7+7-Ubuntu-0ubuntu122.04.2, mixed mode, sharing)
jagged ether
It is litterly telling u what the problem is
It's not
check the log at the path that's mentioned
/root/Folia/.gradle/...
austere tartan
also that. prob still good to fix the invalid java installations as well
viral stone
137 means you ram out of memory
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
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⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
regal atlas
Some help?
viral stone
make srure that you don't have something else messing with the files
try running applyPatches again
maybe try a clean repo clone
regal atlas
hmm
the first command was
git clone https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia.git
it should download everything right?
viral stone
yes
viral stone
No idea
regal atlas
any other suggestions at least?
viral stone
The one that it says is a canidate
regal atlas
it got BUILD SUCCESSFUL with cleanCache
viral stone
failing that, might need to go purge the gradle folder manually, otherwise, idk
regal atlas
its done with same errors
where's that folder youre talking about?
.gradle or gradle
viral stone
eeer
generally it's a .gradle folder in the home folder
if you recloned the project and got the same error, it's pretty much unlikely to matter about the one in your own folder
like, all I can guess is that the thing pulled a bad copy of some mojang thingy
viral stone
basically, yes
if you're a dev you might wanna save the gradle proeprties file in there if you have one
otherwise, should be safe to just delete and rerun it
might also want to ensure that git is updated, ik windows loves to break git
regal atlas
i tried this thing on a VPS and i think you said i got the error code 137 and i ran out of memory
im trying it on windows now
viral stone
well, yea, the decompiler and stuff blows through a good bunch of memory
regal atlas
how much would be enough?
viral stone
I mean, a vm with 4G is generally pushing it
viral stone
depends what else is all running on there, all I could see is that you got the kill code
regal atlas
my pc is quite faster than any vps i have
viral stone
linux is generally more friendly with this stuff
regal atlas
i agree on this too
viral stone
I mean, everybody on the team bar like 1 person uses *nix based environments
that 1 person is probs the only reason paperweight even works on windows
regal atlas
:))
yeah just finished and got same error now after manually deleting gradle
imma try it on wsl and ill come back if any errors occur
but anyway what versions are needed of java and gradle?
i mean the suggested one
viral stone
just need java 11+ or something
we use the gradle wrapper, so it will fetch gradle and the needed jre itself
ofc, if you use java 17, it will just use that
gradle, woo
regal atlas
so the only thing ill have to install on wsl would be java
on vps i installed gradle too but was a old version like 4.5 or something
regal atlas
hooray it finally got builded on WSL
arctic tapir
that 1 person is probs the only reason paperweight even works on windows
leaf?
viral stone
Mini
pseudo ibex
i use /worldborder and command no found
Use chunky
void elbow
Um, that's not convenient. Where is the normal visual boundary of the world?
Please return the /worldborder command
void elbow
((
fair merlin
Um, that's not convenient. Where is the normal visual boundary of the world?
Folia is new and in active development. A lot of it isn’t “convenient”
Chunky works great though.
finite hinge
so the only thing ill have to install on wsl would be java
I think the only thing you need is git and a shell, the gradlew command will bootstrap from there
void elbow
Folia is new and in active development. A lot of it isn’t “convenient”
I wish Folia good luck in promotions, a very interesting project, I think you will succeed
void elbow
Do with such Forge or Fabric optimization it will be something.
fair merlin
Pretty sure that got fixed at some point. Make sure you’ve pulled the latest code from the repo?
void elbow
Pretty sure that got fixed at some point. Make sure you’ve pulled the latest cod...
4 juli
build
latest build no gradlew
error
unkempt aurora
Try join with vanilla Minecraft
north hatch
(Ignore the first few lines)
fierce knotBOT
(Ignore the first few lines)
errors.txt by @north hatch: https://pastes.dev/GtnHza3uWS
proper moon
(satire but:)
Its quite obvious, the villagers trying to explore
livid crag
can you provide the seed?
Seed and coords of the screenshot @prime juniper you can use /modmail referring to this message if you do not wish to share in public.
void elbow
Why doesn't LuckPerms work?
https://modrinth.com/plugin/tsetspawn/versions
And TSpawn doesn't work
viral stone
"doesn't work" gives us literally nothing to go off
void elbow
north hatch
How is a villager trigger chunk loads?
Unsure how those errors happened, I collected the stacktraces from my previous 500 player event
viral stone
Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: Could not load plugin 'TSetSpawn v1.3' as it is not marked as supporting Folia!
viral stone
I mean
We can literally only say what we can see
all one can guess is that the dev ticked all the boxes without actually caring what anything was
void elbow
Understood. Why doesn't LuckPerms work?
void elbow
sec
https://github.com/LuckPerms/LuckPerms/actions/runs/5370010771 this repo, support folia
use bukkit?
arctic tapir
yes
void elbow
\
arctic tapir
void elbow
96 ?
i use 97
o lol
worked
Strange it didn't run the first time or I used the wrong .jar
Well, I partially figured out the plugins, now we are waiting for the /worldborder command
scenic sky
you wont get that for a long time probably
void elbow
(
void elbow
WorldGuard support Folia?
arctic tapir
ask them
scenic sky
better yet, you as a folia user should be skilled enough to find out yourself!
pseudo ibex
WorldGuard support Folia?
Not officially yet
livid crag
it's folia
Just a follow up for those following the channel. I’ve triaged the issue and cannot reproduce it. I suspect that the world was reset but without deleting entity folders. 
bleak python
thanks
arctic tapir
no problem
tribal walrus
Hi there.
jagged ether
Please ask your question (https://nohello.net/)
tribal walrus
I have a question 😦
It looks like CoreProtect plugin supports folia
btw I can not find where
jagged ether
You either need a development version or just ask them directly
tribal walrus
Ok. Thanks. I'll try.
void elbow
If I give myself items /give @p minecraft:stick 6400 - then the items that fall to the ground do not disappear and cannot be picked up.
fair merlin
Can you reproduce that without any plugins installed?
brazen island
CPU usage is not high, but some regions have high MSPT than usual. It seems that the synchronized random number generator is causing performance problems while getting random position for mob spawn?
paper siren
you should avoid using swap memory, but I'm not sure how much this is related to your issue
brazen island
I forgot to remove the swap that was automatically added when installing Ubuntu. But 2GB swap is unlikely to cause the impact, especially when there is sufficient memory.
fair merlin
CPU usage is not high, but some regions have high MSPT than usual. It seems that...
Are you on a VPS or a dedicated server?
paper siren
oh yeah that too, atomic operations across multiple CPUs doesn't sound great
viral stone
That call shouldn’t be too expensive but it’s a hot area
If that logic is running it generally means that you’ve not hit the mob spawn cap
brazen island
That will also be continuously called in Mushroom/Void biome where never reach the spawn cap. But normally random.next() will not have such high CPU time terribly over 20% of total
Perhaps it is indeed due to the issue of multiple CPUs. I'll try using only one CPU later
viral stone
We've got a plan to at least make the mob spawning stuff a loooot less hurty in paper
subtle trail
How would Folia handle a region crashing? If that was to happen. I'm mostly looking for what would happen to the players in those specific regions & any other info that could be useful.
livid crag
They will no longer be able to perform anything; chat may likely still works as it is on its own thread.
subtle trail
They will no longer be able to perform anything; chat may likely still works as ...
Would the region ever be fixed/what do you need to repair it?
livid crag
You will have to shut down the server completely and start again.
proper moon
so from what ive seen above. folia doesnt like 2 physical cpu's?
viral stone
nothing which doesn't cater towards multiple CPUs likes multiple CPUs
numa is a bitch
viral stone
theres no access to the things relevant
novel pollen
How do i use the folia server?
Do i need to download papermc too?
vivid tinsel
Foila doesn’t need Paper to work
jagged ether
You need to build it yourself
vivid tinsel
Read the pinned message
novel pollen
I just ran the install.bat
jagged ether
Folia is still in development and not intended for wide use
novel pollen
ah thanks
proper moon
are there any dupes that i should look out for? currently messing around with folia,
pseudo ibex
No
pseudo ibex
how do you build folia?
Same way you build paper pretty much
Paper has instructions on how to build it
sterile swan
Same way you build paper pretty much
i did that
i got Invalid Java installation found at "diectory"
pseudo ibex
I would provide more information, like the command, and video and such, but they probably wouldn’t want me doing that
So for now
tawdry gullBOT
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'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
sterile swan
okay i managed to build it
but
i get
no main manifest attribute, in "diectory"
when i try to run it
arctic tapir
wrong jar
white laurel
I was reading Folia Docs, but I have some things I have not understand about hardware requirements.
Right now I have a dedicated server ryzen 5 5600X (12 threads)
On this server I will run 1 Proxy, 1 Hub, 1 Folia, 1 Paper (I have 64GB Ram)
I have not understand the requirements and how it scales in terms of threads used.
Plus I was looking at development, but when clicking the page doesn't redirect to anything
https://docs.papermc.io/folia/dev (When clicking Development guide)
inner swift
Minimum recommended is 16C/32T for just Folia alone
Could potentially be lower on a fully pregenned world
white laurel
Just for a single instance?
So basically to run 5 folia instances I would need 5 dedicated servers?
white laurel
Might be an extreme case, since basically I see that Folia has sense over 200/300 players on an instance
white laurel
https://docs.papermc.io/folia/dev (When clicking Development guide)
what about this? doesn't redirect to anything when clicked
inner swift
Uh, same here, actually
fair merlin
So basically to run 5 folia instances I would need 5 dedicated servers?
Correct. Folia is designed for very high core counts and high player counts with players that are spread far apart. I can’t imagine anyone running 5 instances of Folia right now. Most people should just be using Paper.
long canyon
Folia could be very useful on creative servers, with hundreds of players using worldedit, spreaded on a single world. Can be the threaded regions defined through the API or is the chunks allocation decided fully automatically?
jagged ether
Folia could be very useful on creative servers, with hundreds of players using w...
They are automatic
long canyon
Ah ok, tanks. Are the regions based only on players/entities count or are other criterias used?
unkempt aurora
Were there any thoughts about "manually defining region", that would be there all the time?
arctic tapir
no
unkempt aurora
this was meant if it will be added in API (I guess I should switch to #folia-dev ?)
viral stone
No, regions are too transient to be even considered to exposed in the api
keen hare
is it possible to use the Spark plugin on Folia?
fair merlin
There's a build for it.
lusty panther
Can someone give me a quick explanation of what’s the difference between Paper and Folia?
tawdry gullBOT
'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
fair merlin
Can someone give me a quick explanation of what’s the difference between Paper a...
Probably best to read the pins in this channel/readme/FAQ/etc
Thanks other me.
lusty panther
Alr thanks
runic spire
does folia have built-in xray prevention
sly elm
does folia have built-in xray prevention
not more than paper already does
runic spire
not more than paper already does
does that mean it has basic stuff or what?
sly elm
does that mean it has basic stuff or what?
you should check paper's guide on how to configure anti-xray https://docs.papermc.io/paper/anti-xray
folia is built on top of paper so that should be relevant
runic spire
oh so it has the same config? Okay thanks im good with that :)
narrow bough
Is this because I'm running with low memory settings?
-Xms50G -Xmx50G
I gave it 50G
jagged ether
Please read the server requirements to run Folia
trail kernel
fierce knotBOT
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trail kernel
This error happens only if the player is not in playerdata, I deleted myself and now I can't log in
fair merlin
Why did you delete yourself?
fair merlin
Why did you delete it?
trail kernel
Why did you delete it?
To check, because if the player has already played in this world, then there is no problem for him to enter, but if he has never played in it, so there was not created .dat file, it displays this error and he can not log in
This error only by first joined players
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fair merlin
This error only by first joined players
No plugins or datapacks installed?
trail kernel
Is this with a brand new fresh world you created?
No, it's the world my players are playing in, I would realize it's my problem if the world is completely broken, but if you run it with a paper then everything works fine
I really don't know why this is happening
fair merlin
Can you make a new world and see if that happens also?
trail kernel
Can you make a new world and see if that happens also?
no
trail kernel
Using the same Folia jar
The new world is working fine
Can I somehow save players' buildings and their inventory when creating another world?
fair merlin
Was the world created on an older version that you upgraded?
trail kernel
Was the world created on an older version that you upgraded?
No, he created on 1.20.1
fair merlin
Created on 1.20.1 using Paper?
trail kernel
Created on 1.20.1 using Paper?
No
fair merlin
With vanilla worldgen or using some sort of plugin/datapack?
trail kernel
With vanilla worldgen or using some sort of plugin/datapack?
vanilla
trail kernel
What was used to create the world?
Kaiju, but I don't think that's the problem, since this world doesn't work on Kaiju or Folia, only on paper.
But if you create a new world on Kaiju and use Folia it works fine
fair merlin
I don't know anything about that fork. I guess it's possible it made a funky world. Probably gonna have to wait for Leaf to look at this, but it'll probably be a while.
Can you make a Github issue with the log you posted here, along with a bit of info?
trail kernel
I don't know anything about that fork. I guess it's possible it made a funky wor...
ok
harsh umbra
does protocollib work with folia?
i assume not by default, probably missing that compatibility option, but if i were to set it myself....
trail kernel
does protocollib work with folia?
yes
harsh umbra
cool and good
arctic tapir
offline mode is not supported
lofty magnet
none?
native igloo
Ah I see
native igloo
offline mode is not supported
Is there a reson for it?
fiery vessel
Yes, Hello, How shit would folia run with 16 threads (say 60ish players)? I'm pretty sure recommended is 32 although you state it in cores but its just a hypothetical for a debate I'm having with a friend.
daring nimbus
there is a difference between threads and cores. 16 threads sounds like 8 cores, which is not great
with 60 players just run paper
daring nimbus
it likely is not. Folia will only perform better with the right hardware. The threading checks and scheduling add some significant overhead, so on suboptimal hardware like that it will very likely perform worse than Paper
fiery vessel
That about matches my understanding of it, I did some testing on my personal hardware which has the same specs (although not same enviroment), and the chunk generation was very slow
solar ledge
You can assign more threads for chunk generation with paper incase of rendering the map
You really don't want to run a map without pregeneration
prime juniper
When I try to run the .jar file, I get the error: no main manifest attribute, in folia-1.20.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
fair merlin
How are you building it?
prime juniper
./gradlew build
fair merlin
^
prime juniper
Okay, I read it and from what I see I should use the command ./gradlew applyPatches, right?
inner swift
It tells you what to do on the first screenshot
wind aspen
I hope to once live in an alternate universe where people read what programs tell them
fair merlin
I hope to once live in an alternate universe where people read what programs tel...
No need to say this kind of stuff.
Not everyone know what they're doing.
We don't have to be jerks to people.
wind aspen
Whatever
fair merlin
Someone is trying to build the thing for the first time. Everyone learns once. Yes, they should be reading and interpreting the error. But scoffing that they don't know what they're doing isn't remotely helpful.
keen fable
no enemies
vivid kindle
Approximately, when did "folia" come out officially to the public?
fair merlin
Approximately, when did "folia" come out officially to the public?
It's still in active development, but yes this channel and the project was made public around March 29th
prime juniper
How can I make a Folia Build
pseudo ibex
How can I make a Folia Build
Same way to build paper
prime juniper
And how do you do it?
arctic tapir
read papers readme
topaz bobcat
Where i can download folia core?
wise epoch
Is the region merging based on view distance or a fixed distance?
viral stone
fixed iirc
bearing in mind that people can have different vds, it's dynamically changable, is an entire hell of a problem
wise epoch
ah right
forgot that can be dynamic
do you happen to know where I can find the distance?
I remember someone saying it was something large like 2k blocks during one of the large scale tests
foggy blaze
do you happen to know where I can find the distance?
I don't think there's a "distance" isn't it completly and totally up to Folia to decide when to make a region?
viral stone
it was something like that
Well, the "distance" is a derivative of how folia creates regions
players need to be far enough away that their regions don't end up """intersecting""" as far as the maths is concerned
wise epoch
intersection is probably based on players view distance + a margin, right?
I think cub's tests had the vd quite high
viral stone
it's fixed maths
it's based on what the ticket propagation incurrs plus some margin for safety and maths
muted stirrup
players need to be far enough away that their regions don't end up """intersecti...
Is there a good rule on how far away "enough" is? Are regions like 1k-1k, or something insane more like 10k-10k or just more variable?
viral stone
No idea what the number was
somebody above quoted around 2k blocks of distance
which, is basically about 4 regions away
(chunk regions, not tick regions)
sharp thunder
just gonna use folia-dl for a screenshot sorry
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timid grotto
#bot-spam exists
vivid kindle
It's still in active development, but yes this channel and the project was made ...
And how can I test it?
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inner swift
You'll need to compile Folia, following the instructions in Paper's repo
vivid kindle
You'll need to compile Folia, following the instructions in Paper's repo
Is there a guide to carry out the compilation?
a tutorial on youtube or something...
timid grotto
instructions in Paper's repo
if you cant manage to follow those, you probably shouldnt be using folia
vivid kindle
if you cant manage to follow those, you probably shouldnt be using folia
It's that I'm curious, but I don't know that detail of compiling 😅, Well, I ask if you know anything that I can use as a reference to compile it 🤔 .
livid crag
yeah it's the instructions in paper's repo
timid grotto
again,
instructions in Paper's repo
vivid kindle
Am yes but I literally can't see the guide 😅
timid grotto
well if you are unable to find that, then you really shouldnt be using folia
fair merlin
Am yes but I literally can't see the guide 😅
Look on the Paper repo, not the Folia repo. It's a fork of Paper so the build instructions are the same.
vivid kindle
Look on the Paper repo, not the Folia repo. It's a fork of Paper so the build in...
oh well, thanks 😄
frigid sleet
How can i restart server with folia?
i can't find command like /restart
jagged ether
Stop the server, start the server
Some stuff won't exist in Folia or hasn't been implemented, assuming /restart is one of those things
prime juniper
Can you confirm if I did the Build right?
livid crag
Can you confirm if I did the Build right?
I’ve removed your message. Let’s not share files here.
chilly edge
does sb know why the anti xray does not work in nether?
inner swift
What y height are you at?
chilly edge
idk (got the screenshot from a player)
scenic sky
what's your config
chilly edge
_version: 30
anticheat:
anti-xray:
enabled: true
engine-mode: 3
hidden-blocks:
- copper_ore
- deepslate_copper_ore
- gold_ore
- deepslate_gold_ore
- iron_ore
- deepslate_iron_ore
- coal_ore
- deepslate_coal_ore
- lapis_ore
- deepslate_lapis_ore
- mossy_cobblestone
- obsidian
- chest
- diamond_ore
- deepslate_diamond_ore
- redstone_ore
- deepslate_redstone_ore
- clay
- emerald_ore
- deepslate_emerald_ore
- ender_chest
- air
lava-obscures: true
max-block-height: 128
replacement-blocks:
- stone
- oak_planks
- deepslate
update-radius: 2
use-permission: false
obfuscation:
items:
hide-durability: false
hide-itemmeta: false
hide-itemmeta-with-visual-effects: false
next bloom
you have to also enable it in the nether afaik. the docs cover this
tawdry gullBOT
visual falcon
what is Found no spawn in radius for player?
fair merlin
Sounds like a plugin thing
naive fable
Is faster chunk generation with more cores planned? Rn chunk generation is limited to ~15 threads, which is kinda low for Folia
viral stone
You can change the number of worker threads, but theres not too much you can really do with world gen in a sense
naive fable
I sat work threads at 128, and it used 15 on those, are there some impossible limits in the code?
viral stone
Well, yes
you can only generate a chunk up to the next level when X chunks around you are at a specific level
many phases rely on different regions, etc
the entire system is a highly dependent chain of operations in which require a bunch of stuff to work, and that's before you get into the hedaches of trying to manage and schedule that stuff
livid crag
400-500 cps is around the current hardware limit. Are you already hitting this number..?
naive fable
Just ages to pregen, and i can imagine it would be a problem
viral stone
See, I do wonder if chunky could maybe split up more
i..e start running 2 different gen streams
play ghostbusters and meet in the middle or something
idk if the system would get any benefits from that
livid crag
I think pop just tell you to spawn up more instances 
livid crag
Coz technically yup can just spawn up 4 servers and each pregen from 5000 blocks away from each other and then just put all world files back
CC: @sly elm 
naive fable
I suggested that Chunky should set up multible world and stich them together as the generating progresses (as a joke) he did not think it was smart
sly elm
whats up
sly elm
I mean you can kind of do it, the problem is going to be random features and stuff not aligning and any blending / etc
theres things that aren't 1:1 with the seed
iirc
viral stone
yea, things like trees, etc
naive fable
Who needs trees anyway? we can disable those
viral stone
Like, theres probs some stuff you can do if you really cared to invest the tech effort into
certain phases are trivial to highly make parallel, like, bring the chunks up to a level where it doesn't matter about that stuff and then give them a finishing pass, etc
but 🤷♂️
sly elm
yeah pretty much
I mean nothing you can't do well enough by just spinning up a couple of servers
fair merlin
Just ages to pregen, and i can imagine it would be a problem
Big worlds just take a long time. If you're seeing high cps then you're good. If you're seeing super low (like 10) then you have an issue.
north hatch
Tweaking -Dchunky.maxWorkingCount should work though
bleak python
until you start flooding the system but yeah
runic spire
can i change paper world to folia one
lament ravine
can i change paper world to folia one
If you just run the same world file it will convert for you, however going from folia back to paper does require actual effort
Not much effort, but some
runic spire
tysm all
pseudo ibex
Just out of curiosity how many players would you think a server like this be able to handle? https://spark.lucko.me/w9F8wAX9Aq
I know it’s not up to the specs, but I’m curious
I plan on testing this out
On a good day it could handle 20 players. Im curious how many players could play on it on Folia. Maybe 40 or 60?
fair merlin
If it has 32 threads that’s within recommendations for Folia.
If it’s a VM and/or thread limited then it probably won’t run very well.
pseudo ibex
If it’s a VM and/or thread limited then it probably won’t run very well.
It’s not from what I know of. I think it’s more like 8 threads allocated to this server.
naive fable
Tweaking -Dchunky.maxWorkingCount should work though
wth
slow cosmos
Is Folia stable and ready to be used on public servers yet?
viral stone
No
royal iris
Hello, does folia support 1.8 servers?
scenic sky
no. never has, never will
royal iris
no. never has, never will
woah, why? is this a minecraft limitation or just lack of support?
jagged ether
because nobody cares about 1.8
scenic sky
people use 1.8 for the performance and pvp
why do you need additional performance now?
just use an up to date version
royal iris
because nobody cares about 1.8
so a lack of support, I am a bit ignorant in minecraft dev honestly, but would it be that hard to do the same done for the latest version for a lower one?
jagged ether
as a matter of fact, yes
scenic sky
you would practically need a complete rewrite of the 1.8 server to do something similar
royal iris
why do you need additional performance now?
more than performance, probably player count in 1 server
royal iris
you would practically need a complete rewrite of the 1.8 server to do something ...
oh damn
scenic sky
folia is more for smp's and such anyways, dont see why you would ever want something similar on 1.8
1.8 survival is dead
royal iris
1.8 survival is dead
fair enough
north hatch
That's also possible ^
Probably the most probable though since I don't know how else you would get 22k cps
This was my personal record by just tweaking things around unscientifically: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/914100620577878057/1134239480577015922/image.png
naive fable
What cpu?
64 core zen 4. The log was really wierd, it was either generating 0.5 to 5, 500-2000 or 100k to 200k cps, Think it was 20-50k average with 100GB of ram. I sat -Dchunky.maxWorkingCount at 1000, 100 worker chunk threads, 28 io, and 10 gc. The area was new. What does that option do?
And why doesnt the people at chunky know about the setting?
bleak python
i'm sure they do know about their own software
north hatch
64 core zen 4. The log was really wierd, it was either generating 0.5 to 5, 500-...
Overworld?
naive fable
Yes
naive fable
Just ran a 13 minute test and got a massive 70391 cps average. Seems impossible. Im not going to use the server for a while, so if you want to run tests on it DM me
The world was new, so they were actually generated
north hatch
🤨 70k does sound overly high
I got 1.5k cps max on 96 core EPYC Genoa, but the node was running many other things at that time
naive fable
That was what the log told me. The mod at chunky told me to go away when i shared the log : (
north hatch
If you want to, I can take a look at it, feel free to DM me
viral stone
Because it's region based
Like, at the end of the day, you can't have overlapping regions
so, if your players are too close together, they'll be in 1 region
remote sedge
so, if your players are too close together, they'll be in 1 region
4000x4000
foggy blaze
And it’s ultimately up to Folia to decide if it wants to make a region
viral stone
Yea, that's too small
remote sedge
and there's no way to make them smaller regions right?
viral stone
No
remote sedge
...
viral stone
It's simply down to how the game works
and the complexity of the region logic
All of this info is public and much of it is in the readmes you where told to read
thick zenith
Sorry to intrude but I was considering using Folia and I read this issue. So I can have even 1k players in a world radius of 2500 blocks would they all end up in the same "region"? So in an SMP it's worth having Folia, right?
viral stone
as said, players need to be spread out
like, you have to contain the expected world interactions into one region, otherwise stuff would blow up; before you get into the horrors of making the math even more complex to deal with variable region sizes, etc, etc
so, if your server is too small, as per the docs, etc, folia will do little to help you
in fact, that overheads of folia will make it worse
thick zenith
Ok, so basically, if I use Paper is it better than Folia? (same world same people)
viral stone
if you're players aren't spread out enough to create regions, yes
thick zenith
Okay, thanks for the clarification
pure fjord
also if you dont have a crazy ass computer
vocal mist
Is Folia worth having on a 4000 radius world with 100 players spread across
Or should I stick to Paper
vocal mist
Alright
Will it be better if I make the world border smaller to 2500 on Paper
I will be having alot of players since it will be a civ event
north hatch
Is Folia worth having on a 4000 radius world with 100 players spread across
No, as the players will eventually merge and become one region, which will bring more overhead and no benefits over Paper
finite hinge
You need at least 1500 blocks between players to have multiple regions. With a 4000x4000 world even if your players are trying to keep away from each other it won't take many players before there is never that much room between them. If PlayerA is 2500 blocks from PlayerB but then PlayerC moves in in between them all 3 will be in the same region and so on across the whole world until any independent regions collapse into one massive one.
north hatch
The figure can increase depending on where the player is positioned in the region section
exotic stirrup
Can folia already nether and end support for vanilla Minecraft ?
arctic tapir
yes
exotic stirrup
Means i can play the hole minecraft survival stuff with folia
arctic tapir
yes
exotic stirrup
Portals also Working ?
arctic tapir
yes
exotic stirrup
xD
keen fable
Like Redstone etc ?
No redstone issues for me
exotic stirrup
Thats cool. Thanks for that info
timid grotto
redstone shouldnt have any folia-specific issues as redstone cannot go between 2 regions. it should be equal to paper (which is not always the same as vanilla)
prime pivot
Does folia break with terrain generation datapacks too?
pseudo ibex
Does folia break with terrain generation datapacks too?
Only one way to know
Test it
uneven barn
is there a worldedit on Folia?
plucky compass
is there a worldedit on Folia?
fastasyncworldedit supports it it looks like
uneven barn
fastasyncworldedit supports it it looks like
on version 1.20.1 does not work : /
exotic stirrup
on version 1.20.1 does not work : /
Still wip on m fork.
scenic sky
that build is made by him
pseudo ibex
Hahahha welp.
exotic stirrup
I do the folia mainly stuff
severe veldt
i was able to build folia from github
i applied patches first, then built shadow jar
i am using folia-paperclip jar now
how to configure threads here for various sections described?
https://docs.papermc.io/folia/faq
also is ryzen 7900 with 64 GB DDR5, 500 gb ssd nvme, good for folia server to support 300 players?
lofty magnet
entirely depends on your setup and how players behave
severe veldt
just vanilla setup with 20k x 20k overworld
plugins: luckyperms, smputils (my own plugin), coreprotect
thats it for now
severe veldt
entirely depends on your setup and how players behave
players are normally decent mostly, not like factions, little bit pvp, no grief, tnts disabled, hoppers limits are there
lofty magnet
20k*20k is probably still not big enough to properly spread 300 players
severe veldt
20k*20k is probably still not big enough to properly spread 300 players
how much would u recommend here? also players can travel so they might come close
lofty magnet
well you need to make sure that the different regions don't merge into one large or very few big ones. hence you need to somehow ensure that player groups are small enough and far away enough from each other for that to not happen
of course if you are unlucky then players can still manage to chain together all regions into one big one if they are unfortunately spaced out 👀
inner swift
Players will be in the same region if they're less than about ~1500 blocks from each other, I guess a rule of thumb could be starting with them ~5000 blocks away from each other to give them some room to move, that'd be about 90k x 90k
lofty magnet
if your gamemode relies on groups of players interacting with other groups often then folia is most likely not for you
(or at least with the same caveats of paper in most regions. I guess the hermits 100k out would benefit from it xD)
especially in a pvp environment folia opens up some interesting tactics: like have a lag machine running in one region, then start a fight, connect the lag machine region to the region the fight is in with some well placed players and overwhelm the defener that way 👀
severe veldt
i mean its an SMP
not factions
but i won't be able to stop a group of player interacting with other players
or players coming together as groups
forming a town or something
inner swift
You'll be fine as long as you have enough regions
severe veldt
how to make sure regions don't merge?
lofty magnet
put players far away from each other
severe veldt
what happens if i teleport all players at a single place?
severe veldt
if your gamemode relies on groups of players interacting with other groups often...
what else would u recommend then here?
multipaper is not working for 1.20.1
hexed ice
multipaper will also not work for you there
lofty magnet
not have that many players on one point?
add incentives for players to not congrate on one poin?
spreakd them over multiple servers?
lots of ways tbh
lofty magnet
or go the EVE online router and add time dilation Kappa
severe veldt
or go the EVE online router and add time dilation Kappa
how to do that?
lofty magnet
(hint: this is a joke, time dilation sucks)
severe veldt
we did that last season like we split players into teams in multipaper, put borders for teams and split chunks in workers, players mostly fight among each other died (the ones who die get banned) and the numbers fell, then we opened borders and reduced workers (did restarts), for people interactions
muted stirrup
multipaper can handle several hundred people in the same area
muted stirrup
Yeah thats reasonable unless you have insane hardware
If your regularly dealing with 1000+ players you should probably just drop the money for your own solution
severe veldt
they are civilization events (SMP based)
but with folia we had selected only 300
i think even thats not possible after the discussion here
thanks
lofty magnet
I mean, there is no way to know without trying ¯_(ツ)_/¯
but you shouldn't expect magic, especially if players behave in (for the system) dumb ways
inner swift
what happens if i teleport all players at a single place?
Your server will have 1 region doing stuff, which's potentially going to be worse than Paper
north hatch
^
lusty panther
Guys for my server i'll need to ask each one of you to rate Folia from 1-10
arctic tapir
what
daring nimbus
I hate that I actually did the work for you and looked up your server, but you average 20 players. Folia makes zero sense for you.
lusty panther
I hate that I actually did the work for you and looked up your server, but you a...
just rate it
daring nimbus
Well 1 then. Will run worse than Paper
arctic tapir
define big
lusty panther
600 average
livid crag
@lusty panther please actually read the readme of Folia before making weird and question that does not make sense here
lusty panther
<@296311008085934080> please actually read the readme of Folia before making wei...
Sorry eternal sniffer
arctic tapir
for that amount folia would most likely work yes
depending on hardware & distance between players
pseudo ibex
One of the things I found when I finally switched to Folia, was that bedrock players always had extreme lag through Geyser. If anyone else can second this I would appreciate it.
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pseudo ibex
Still wip on m fork.
One thing I did find with it is that when you load a big structure, then when it is fully loaded and you do /undo. Sometimes it only partly unloads a structure. Then like half of it would be gone, or sometimes 1/4.
keen fable
One of the things I found when I finally switched to Folia, was that bedrock pla...
Use geyser standalone. It works fine!
pseudo ibex
Use geyser standalone. It works fine!
What’s the difference between standalone vs geyser-spigot
keen fable
geyser standalone run as a separate program
viral stone
standalone is a raw proxy
or, well, not raw; but, it serves as a proxy, vs the built in solution which is probably not as ideal but doesn't rely on the server impl as much
pseudo ibex
geyser standalone run as a separate program
Oh okay. Do I have to do anything extra to use this standalone, or it is just plug and play?
keen fable
You'll have to run it as a service or something. I don't remember changing the config file
pseudo ibex
You'll have to run it as a service or something. I don't remember changing the c...
Oh can I join your server and see what’s it’s like on bedrock? If so, send me a dm.
pseudo ibex
geyser standalone run as a separate program
Hahhaha even though you said that I had no idea that is what you meant. Well I now understand. You cannot run Geyser standalone on Folia.
Hahahah spent like 3 hours figuring it out lol
exotic stirrup
One thing I did find with it is that when you load a big structure, then when it...
Scaling issues
wintry terrace
.distance
finite hinge
iirc the plan going forward is to replace that format with getting the server to split out mojangson and shoving that in a yaml string
sharp thunder
Just wondering if a Ryzen 9 7900 is good enough for folia.
fair merlin
Just wondering if a Ryzen 9 7900 is good enough for folia.
Does it meet the minimum core/thread requirements?
sharp thunder
12c/24t, I’ll look to see if I can find them right now
fair merlin
Pins in this channel and the readme/FAQ are helpful.
finite hinge
16/32 is what the readme says, iirc leaf said 12/24 should be fine if you pregen your world though
red lintel
How's Folia guys? Has anyone use it for production yet?
arctic tapir
yes
indigo atlas
H
Hi everyone can you help me about folia build? I need it for my server i got error when try to build
jagged ether
What error
jagged ether
Gradle ran out of memory
jagged ether
indigo atlas
Thank you so much
steady zephyr
based Termius
shut gull
Folia I have a core region does not make one region for each world and that's it.
shut gull
My regions are not created new 3 regions and that's it at most
Maybe I didn't set it up right
arctic tapir
send a screenshot of /tps
shut gull
scenic sky
you have a single player online
viral stone
Please actually read the readme, etc
sounds like you've not read what it actually does
shut gull
Can I have a link
viral stone
see the pins
shut gull
What's GC I don't see that setting on this app.
severe veldt
it has one player it won't create regions on start...
shut gull
it has one player it won't create regions on start...
I've read how the kernel works already and I'm going to make my father-in-law.
scenic sky
i dont think your translator is working very well
shut gull
It's a translator DeepL
random garnet
😅
jaunty jackal
based Termius
ah Termius, where you can't change your PW without a subscription 
jaunty jackal
It's a translator DeepL
DeepL can be weird for Russian. Maybe yandex/dzen is better for RU<->EN?
livid crag
You can try chatGPT, I've found it really good with translation @jaunty jackal @shut gull
subtle oriole
DeepL is quite good if you are learning a language, because as you learn you can correct the result it gives with the correct context. But for translating from 0, no translator is perfect
wheat forge
How to make my plugin support folia
jaunty jackal
You can try chatGPT, I've found it really good with translation <@26503851537557...
or that
fair merlin
How to make my plugin support folia
Check the pins / scrollback in #folia-dev for tips.
wheat forge
Check the pins / scrollback in <#1090729705222721637> for tips.
ok,thank you.
tawdry gullBOT
Having problems with TNT Duping, Bedrock Breaking or Sand Duping Vanilla Exploits? See: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/3854 for information.
north hatch
Is there an explanation for the CPU usage consumption by chunk worker threads? Is this due to saving? (The world was pregenerated)
void elbow
hello.
A question. If I keep the server on Windows Server 2019, will there be anything wrong?
For example Folia for 500-600 online.
daring nimbus
Windows servers usually aren't recommended in general, Folia or Paper
viral stone
We cannot tell you how a piece of software will work in your mystical environment
void elbow
We cannot tell you how a piece of software will work in your mystical environmen...
What can you recommend?
Ubuntu 20 ?
inner swift
Your CPU is way below the recommended minimum for folia
You have 8C/16T (performance cores), recommended minimum is 16/32
void elbow
ok
tawdry gullBOT
⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.
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deep pond
https://spark.lucko.me/w52sXhUYUd
the swap memory is scaring me
arctic tapir
indows Server
arctic tapir
well no I meant that it says indows and not windows
but yes, I belive it does
not sure about the exact percentage though
formal burrow
---------- Detected server process in a crashed state! ----------
[Pterodactyl Daemon]: Exit code: 1
[Pterodactyl Daemon]: Out of memory: false
[Pterodactyl Daemon]: Aborting automatic restart, last crash occurred less than 60 seconds ago.
server wont start with the argument
java -Xms128M -XX:MaxRAMPercentage=95.0 -XX:ConcGCThreads=76 -Dterminal.jline=false -Dfolia.force-load-all-plugins=true -Dterminal.ansi=true -jar server.jar
timid grotto
well youd have to share more than the fact that ptero is killing it
timid grotto
why are you setting it to 76
formal burrow
because i have 96 threads
formal burrow
so what do i do
timid grotto
you dont need 3 quarters of your threads to be GC
viral stone
- don't set that many
- see what the JVM is saying
like, the process exited
i'd doubt that it said nothing
formal burrow
ConcGCThreads (76) must be less than or equal to ParallelGCThreads (63)
so im guessing max is 63
what should i set it to
it boots up when i set to 63
timid grotto
imo, if you dont understand what they do, you sholdnt change them
formal burrow
can u kinda summerize it
viral stone
not really
formal burrow
just dont set it then?
viral stone
i don't have any recs for that, it's generally going to boil down to several factors, no point pegging the CPU with GC threads
See the docs
any recommendations are there
we cannot provide magical figures for your environment we know nothing about
viral stone
that tells me very little
well, multiple CPUs are not recommended, at the very least
formal burrow
for folia?
livid crag
that sounds like a nightmare lol
livid crag
uhhhh you can probably run Folia on a smart fridge if it's just 1 player...
formal burrow
ya atm
okay so can i set it to 63 or should i set it for less
it says that it should be 80% of max
pulsar talon
How will you utilize four CPUs for Folia?????
north hatch
only when i add XX:ConcGCThreads=76
You absolutely don't need that many GC threads
If you have a large heap, try shen or zgc, but even so they don't need 76 gc threads
void elbow
You can ask, on VDS (Intel Core i9-12900K) 8/16 core, 64 gb ram, 1 tb nvme, 1gb network how much online can the Folia core withstand at 20 tps without a single lag?
Approximately at least, I want to know how much +-
arctic tapir
clone folia directly to the root of your C drive
arctic tapir
now try it
arctic tapir
no
look at Paper's README
it tells you what command to do
can't remember on top of my head
arctic tapir
yes
void elbow
thank!
viral stone
Outside of diagnosing the issue that's causing it and fixing it, all you can generally do is wait
I mean, there is a reason why we're not shipping it yet
And it's effectively maintained mostly by 1 man in his free time when he can
I mean, there's already been a commit or two trying to resolve it
tranquil epoch
fair merlin
Plugin conflict?
viral stone
I mean, could be
Also could just be some weird edge case relating to the angle your tongue dangles when you click respawn
keen fable
maybe because 2b2t was on 1.19.4
fair merlin
That would probably explain it. IIRC those patches didn’t make it to 1.19.
void elbow
Can I find out what java arguments were used on Folia in tests?
inner swift
north hatch
<https://website-git-feat-next-13-cubxity.vercel.app/blog/folia-test-june-2023>,...
why are you using the staging url 🤨
livid crag
north hatch
https://cubxity.dev/blog/folia-test-june-2023 should be more updated
fair merlin
I don’t remember the JVM flags from our test. Lemme see if I can find them. Thought we had it pinned but I guess not.
void elbow
I wonder if the /worldborder command will be returned in Folia? without it, it is very inconvenient to track the boundaries of the world for players
fair merlin
I wonder if the /worldborder command will be returned in Folia? without it, it i...
IIRC Chunky has a border that may work.
main knot
where i can dowload folia?
fair merlin
where i can dowload folia?
You have to build it yourself. Downloads are not available.
tawdry gullBOT
⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.
main knot
wtf?
main knot
You have to build it yourself. Downloads are not available.
2b2t have folia
fair merlin
2b2t have folia
It's still in active development.
They will have built it from source.
Just like you can.
main knot
you can send me folia?
fair merlin
you can send me folia?
No, you have to clone the repo and build it yourself.
Jars are not currently available to download. It's still in active development.
main knot
No, you have to clone the repo and build it yourself.
bro 6b6t.org have server on folia
fair merlin
There are things missing, broken, bugs still need to be reported, etc.
tacit tartan
Yes, those who have the technical expertise can build Folia from source - this is gating to ensure they well and truly understand it's in active development. There is intentionally no builds avaliable, if you don't know how to build folia, that's a sign it's not right for you to be using at this state
main knot
There are things missing, broken, bugs still need to be reported, etc.
its ok