folia-help

[pseudo ibex]

Lmaoo

👀

Hahaha or nah

[prime glen]

quite a simple page for someone that works on CSS

[celest forum]

i prefer it to some portfolio sites where it loads in with 90000 transitions and animations

i click the link and everything i need to know is there with hyperlinks if i need more in depth information

i am bothered by the fact that the left and right padding is not the same

[karmic urchin]

Hey, could a berry bush that spawns infinite berries on a newly generated chunk be related to Folia?

it won't stop spawning

[arctic tapir]

does it happen on paper

[karmic urchin]

I guess that bug would be a hard one to reproduce

it happened randomly

[arctic tapir]

open a issue ig

[karmic urchin]

Ok I found out it happens very frequently on folia, I will try again on the latest folia and on paper and will open an issue if still necessary

[keen fable]

👍 i can reproduce. just spawn a bunch of foxes near a berry

hey! can you guys reproduce this ?

Step 1: Set time to night so enemies can spawn /time set night
Step 2: Set gamemode to survival /gamemode survival
Step 3: Invincibility, for testing purposes: /effect give @s resistance infinite 255
Step 4: TP far away, so you can generate chunks /tp 100000 100 0
Step 5: Walk till you encounter a hostile mob with no AI (~5min)

Note: It is very random

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_aZN9N9nQs
After few tries

I'm going to open an issue

[idle furnace]

Loved it!

[prime juniper]

Is there a place where I can see a list of all plugins that support Folia?

[arctic tapir]

.

here are some

[blissful basin]

https://github.com/BlockhostOfficial/folia-plugins

[copper raptor]

Hey all! I am wondering if my friend and I can stream on a server while using folia? Is that fine if we don't give out the jar file?

[blissful basin]

Of course you can

[copper raptor]

Oop, i mean a server running folia

sounds good!

tysm

[jagged ether]

You can do whatever you want with the software as long as you follow the license, i.e. yes

[blazing bough]

Is there anyone running a for-test-and-abuse server? Where randoms like myself can help log hours and find bugs?

[sudden tusk]

Considering how expensive it is to run such a server I'd be surprised (but happy) to discover someone was just running a server for the sake of abusing it to break stuff.

[blazing bough]

If only I had tons of disposable income .... let me check ... uh. Nope. Anybody? It was a long-shot but the development is exciting so I'd love so see it in action.

[sudden tusk]

I believe this was the server we used for our biggest test

(paid hourly, not whole month)

[blazing bough]

All right! I'm in! I just need 1,099 other people to commit $5/month.

Who's with me?

[sudden tusk]

😂

[thorny snow]

1098 remaining

[inner swift]

No promises (I'd wait until some tests are out), but if you're really looking for something financially viable, this looks ok - Dedi Epyc 7502p (32C/64T)
https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax161

[sudden tusk]

Oh much better!

[blazing bough]

Well geez .. now we only need 148 or more people. That's some progress!

[sudden tusk]

With that server you need like 30 people

[fossil hollow]

you can also rob someone

[blazing bough]

Oh! Not bad @fossil hollow! Lets go!
Seriously though, we'll need more than 30 people. Otherwise we wouldn't actually need Folia.

Ok. I'm going to go make some devious plans to acquire tons of cash.

[tranquil epoch]

I would host a server but the bigger problem is moderation

[livid crag]

Paper SMP

[pine needle]

Goddamn that's multiple of my mortgage a month

I'll never be able to run it but I'm excited for the people who can

[fossil hollow]

folia anarchy server!
easy fix to that problem
:)

jokes aside, I'm sure enough people would be happy to volunteer, just to see folia in action over a longer period of time.

[half vault]

disable chat
anarchy
ezpz

[thorny snow]

How to use more cores?

I have 8 cores available at Pterodactyl

[sudden tusk]

When you ask are you referring to there being 3 regions?

[livid crag]

I do not understand your question...? yeah

[thorny snow]

The utilisation is out of 100%

Shouldn't it be out of 800%?

[sudden tusk]

I do not know 🙂

[livid crag]

well Folia determined that you only have 1 spare really. 8 cores cant all be used for regioniser only... your server also need it...? also other stuffs...? readme has a config to overwrite but that's just how the default amount of config'd

There is a reason why the 16 PHYSICAL core is recommended.

[thorny snow]

It is just a test server for now

Having trouble running more than 100 players

so I thought Folia would be cool

[livid crag]

you do not have even the minimum recommended core to run Folia so I doubt you will have good time.

[thorny snow]

Our production server has 16 cores, Ryzen 9 5950x

[livid crag]

so barely minimum

[inner swift]

You can change that in global config, threaded-regions.threads for testing
Just note that your test is likely to be slower than Paper due the lack of cores

[thorny snow]

Thanks

[dreamy dirge]

https://papermc.io/downloads

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[finite hinge]

The readme and FAQ give some numbers of threads used for things

You can tune most/all of those I think but it gives you some idea of why you'd only end up with 1 available for region ticking

[brittle summit]

Hello does forge work with foliia so i can disable chat reporting

[obsidian veldt]

Definitely don't need forge for that

[brittle summit]

how do i do it am

[viral coral]

freedomchat

[ivory dust]

can anyone gimme their compiled jar?

[viral coral]

no

[ivory dust]

I don’t wanna compile it rn

[viral coral]

then folia probably isn't something you want yet

[livid crag]

well guess you aint getting a jar

[brittle summit]

does that work with folia ?

[viral coral]

try it

[thorny snow]

Why is there only a region?

[viral coral]

how far away is every player

[brittle summit]

huh downloaded the latest version and it seems to be out of date

[thorny snow]

about 5k

[viral coral]

heh

[thorny snow]

but i'm extremely far

[viral coral]

does seem a bit off, perhaps @tranquil epoch has an idea

[thorny snow]

Sorry, there was an error with my random tp implementation

it is working as intended

[brittle summit]

do you guys know how i can get help with this freedomchat plugin

[viral coral]

why not fix it yourself

you're expected to be a developer using folia after all

[brittle summit]

I’m not sure what’s wrong with it

[viral coral]

probably not using the right folia jar

[brittle summit]

i straight up downloaded it the 2 days ago

[viral coral]

build a reobfuscated bundler jar

[brittle summit]

i have the bundler should i use that instead of the normal jar

[viral coral]

depends on what you think the normal jar is

[brittle summit]

i have the folia-bundler 1.19.4 jar and the folia-paperclip jar

[viral coral]

that doesn't say much

build a reobfuscated bundler jar and use it

[brittle summit]

ok i will try

ok is there some documentation i can follow on making the reobfuscated bundler?

[viral coral]

yes

the documentation you've been sent like 4 times before yesterday

the 3 lines of text you had to read

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/README.md#how-to-compiling-jar-from-source

[livid crag]

btw FreedomChat works fine. I was bored and tested

[blazing bough]

I actually have an old 24 core machine that I could run it on. But it's not going to be pretty and certainly wouldn't stand up to any abuse.

[brittle summit]

Folia works wonders wow

i have some ai bots just straight up mining on level 100 insta nuking and the server tps is not even budging

i had like 60k entities on the map

part of the map crashed when i teleported all the eentities to myself though

i have fortune 120 on too

thats everywhere lol

[inner swift]

What hardware are you on? 👀 out of curiosity

[wooden echo]

i3 2100

[brittle summit]

Well i have an ibm X3690 with 200+ gigs of ram some 2X xeon E5's with fibre

and its all immersion cooled

[finite hinge]

You mean like mineral oil or the fancy stuff?

[brittle summit]

its some type of synthetic oil

dielectric oil

[verbal remnant]

Fancy immersion cooled servers are pretty rad.

[spring comet]

that probably cost a fair bit to buy are you expecting a lot of players to join I am guessing?

[brittle summit]

nah i do this for fun

[verbal remnant]

I do enjoy overkill server equipment I will never use 100 percent just to toy around with it.

[prime juniper]

compiling folia throws this error

anyone knows a fix ?

[uneven trench]

hello

I have a problem with git, apparently when I install it uses as default address my C disk, but I want everything to go to disk D, what do I have to do to change the path where everything is downloaded and compiled?

[arctic tapir]

not enough ram

[prime juniper]

got it, thanks ! :D

[arctic tapir]

more of a question for #build-tooling-help or #general

you can just clone Folia to your D drive

[prime juniper]

think ive built it correctly

[prime glen]

bro just get it thru the api

👹

[ivory dust]

are we allowed to distribute jars?

[finite hinge]

Legally you were never allowed to distribute jars, that's why paperclip exists 😛

You are especially not allowed to link to any of them in here though

[subtle adder]

if i fork folia and distribute the paperclip jar of the fork then everything is fine right o.0?

||(i dont plan to do so, i just read your conversation here)||

[finite hinge]

Yeah, paperclip is a binary patch and a tool that downloads the vanilla jar and applies the patch to it so that's just covered by the GPL

Means anyone you give your paperclip jar to you have to provide the source to your fork as well

Distributing the bundler jar though is just outright illegal

?

If you mean how to add Folia support to your plugin you can ask for help in #folia-dev

[lime lintel]

put the server.jar into your server directory

figure out how to compile it on your own

[finite hinge]

If you mean how to add Folia to your server it is not ready for that yet and you probably don't want it

[fiery temple]

How to install Folia?

[dreamy dirge]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[jagged ether]

tldr build yourself

[finite hinge]

You need 16+ CPU cores, all your plugins have to explicitly support Folia (none for Spigot/Paper work), then you have to build Folia from source yourself

[lime lintel]

While you're here, just wondering how long would a product like this take before it's stable. I know it's basically impossible to tell but from experience do you have any idea

[jagged ether]

No ETA georgee

as always

[lime lintel]

yeah ofc, I was just wondering whether there was similar projects and how long they've taken in the past

[naive elm]

we have time to rewrite our plugins at least

[finite hinge]

I'm still doubtful this will ever be stable enough and have enough public plugins for it to make sense for a random server to try to use

[naive elm]

every project that attempted to implement multithreading

was a failure

or a scam

[lime lintel]

as I'm in a bit of a predicament where we've begun development for our custom RPG but I'm wondering whether to hold of on development and wait for Folia or not

[lime lintel]

all our stuff is custom coded other than a few things

[viral coral]

none have tried to implement it in a way like folia

[lime lintel]

like luckperms, essentials

[viral coral]

i don't see why you'd need folia for an RPG server

[naive elm]

thats true

[finite hinge]

Folia is usable today if you can write your own plugins, are aware of and accept the limitations, and know how to debug MC server issues and multithreading issues

[jagged ether]

I mean if the map is huge

[naive elm]

folia could be beneficial only to survival smps , hardcore , factions or anarchy

[lime lintel]

because it's going to be across a massive area where players are very spread put

across an open world of about 100kx100k

[naive elm]

fair enough

[jagged ether]

If that's the case then generally yes it can help you

[lime lintel]

we've already put $xx,xxx into it and we're only 3 months into development, folia is definitely useful for our use case

[finite hinge]

Things generally work

[naive elm]

i haven't tested it myself but i would assume that things might break rarely

[jagged ether]

Aside from half the API

[lime lintel]

im just wondering whether it's worth waiting for an official stable release first and delaying the project until then and continuing to run just our normal mc server

suppose it's impossible to say

just depends case by case

[naive elm]

i would suggest to perform tests on the side

while waiting for a stable release

[lime lintel]

yeah

[naive elm]

meanwhile the production server remains as is

[lime lintel]

we currently have your normal skyblock server etc running on paper and I don't plan on changing that until there's an official stable version, but I'm just trying to decide whether to develop the new RPG for Folia or pretend it doesn't exist until there's a stable version and slowly mitigate after

I have plenty of money but I don't want to essentially put money down the drain into deving it for paper and then converting to folia

so it's hard to say what to do

[finite hinge]

If you're waiting for an "official stable version" check back in 2 years 😛

[viral coral]

i don't see why you can't develop for paper and convert to folia after

there is not that much api breakage

[lime lintel]

this would be the ideal

[lime lintel]

and this is what I meant when I said my original question

I won't put off developing something for two years obviously that's stupid

[finite hinge]

I don't think there will be one in 2 years either, btw

There isn't an official stable version of Paper

[lime lintel]

maybe "official stable version" is the wrong way to word it

[naive elm]

somewhat stable versions

[finite hinge]

Those are today

[lime lintel]

maybe a version which can be frequently used across large servers who develop specifically for it is a better way to word it

[finite hinge]

Today

[viral coral]

i mean you're free to gamble on it and use folia in it's current state

by the time you finish your project it'll probably be out in public

[finite hinge]

Anyone who can make use of Folia can also fix or at least identify any bugs with it they run in to

So if you can look at the limitations it has today and work with them it's ready

[lime lintel]

i see, that makes sense

well i suppose ill have to write some proper documentation (for our use case) and see what the rest of our team thinks about it, thanks for your help

[finite hinge]

I still think there are only about 10 servers that will actually get any benefit from Folia, assuming they're willing to put in the work to use it

But maybe there are a bunch of large servers I haven't heard of

[ivory dust]

is there a list of current plugins that supports folia?

[finite hinge]

Not yours 😛

[ivory dust]

I'm making plugins that support it

[finite hinge]

I mean, someone has a list, but there are only like 15 things on it and it counts in progress PRs as "supports"

[ivory dust]

I see

thx

[lime lintel]

Yeah itll definitely be something to consider. But I think for the scope and size of our RPG product it could be useful

but pros and cons for everything need to be considered first

[finite hinge]

If you put this question in to the search bar you'll probably find the list

[urban stag]

How stable is folia rn?

[wicked mantle]

If you used this crazy thing called a scrollbar and read the convo that happened all of 40 minutes ago

[urban stag]

sorry

[tawdry merlin]

Well, that's the best way to get log to improve the project since players will mess with the server a lot

[urban stag]

Is it possible to just have an entire map loaded at all times?

Instead of it being loaded in and out by players?

I guess it wouldn't really be hard at all to add

just a performance issue

[inner swift]

Not sure if you mean pregeneration or if you want every chunk to stay loaded, latter would be a bad idea

[urban stag]

I meant keeping every chunk loaded, why would it be a bad idea?

[viral stone]

The size of the world is like 30m blocks in each direction

that's a whole metric fuckton of chunks, which would pollute the data struture used to keep chunks loaded, and generally like, you know, eat up a good chunk of ram in the process

[urban stag]

Oh, I don't mean like that, I mean for like a small world with a limited world border.

[inner swift]

There's not much to gain from doing that

[viral stone]

I mean, sure, you can already do that

just, there is generally little in terms of payoff if the region is already generated, etc

[urban stag]

Well if for example you have redstone farms that break if the world is unloaded

[viral stone]

Well, several dozen things are more predicated on a player being nearby as opposed to "loaded"

[keen fable]

Isn't that Slime region file format ?

[urban stag]

idk what that is

[finite hinge]

A small world wouldn't work with Folia

So this question is kind of nonsense

If you don't have a giant world with very spread out players Folia will be slower than Paper. If you do then you can't have the whole thing loaded at once

[urban stag]

ok

[finite hinge]

Only servers with lots of players who are spread out

I thought the spread was view-distance plus a buffer but apparently it's 1500 radius

So if you have players less than 1500 blocks from each other they're in the same region

Which means if player A and player B are 2500 blocks from each other but player C runs through in between them all 3 get merged in to the same region

I am surprised there were so many servers willing to throw hundreds of dollars a month at running mulitpaper though

I guess scamming children pays more than I thought

[inner swift]

Is that documented somewhere or would one need to go through the patch for this detail?

[finite hinge]

It's just what people keep repeating whenever someone asks why they don't have more regions

view-distance plus a buffer is how I thought leaf explained it to me in voice chat during the last public test but I guess that was just aspirational or I misunderstood

[strong vector]

are there plans to make a library to make it easier to work with folia?

for example when making spigot (but folia compatible) plugins

[hexed ice]

see the api plans part of the readme

[strong vector]

only mentions paper compability

dont see anything about spigot + folia compability

[viral stone]

Literally nothing we can do about spigot

afaik, somebody was already working on a library, but, we're not super inclined to have another "paperlib" esque thing here

[strong vector]

yeah i was thinking about paperlib-like library

[finite hinge]

If/when the API goes in to Paper it would then make sense to add it to PaperLib to shim Spigot use

Although at that point hopefully Paper has split off from Spigot and doesn't care about compatibility

[prime juniper]

How many players can Folia hold?

[timid grotto]

a lot

[inner swift]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timid grotto]

i dont think the upper limit has been reached in any tests yet

[inner swift]

Depends on hardware and well, not sure if anyone's determined the breakdown point

[timid grotto]

but it depends on hardware too

[livid crag]

Currently record with organic player is 600+ on one machine. But you can possible do more.

[prime juniper]

on an i9 12900k?

[daring nimbus]

no

that doesn't have enough cores

[prime juniper]

"enough cores"

It has 16 cores smfh

[daring nimbus]

yeah, thats the minimum requirement for folia

[sudden tusk]

Only 8 performance cores which are all that matter.

[viral coral]

and half of them are useless and should be disabled for minecraft

[sudden tusk]

It's a powerful 8 core cpu with a bonus 8 cores that you could use to run a website or something.

[prime juniper]

so what processor should I use?

[viral coral]

folia has been tested on e.g. the amd epyc 7502p

processors you normally do not get for minecraft

it'd probably run ok on a 7950x/5950x

probably runs ok on e.g. the ampere ultra cpus

[timid grotto]

what makes a cpu good for paper and what makes a cpu good for folia are entirely different

[sudden tusk]

Obviously to compensate for fewer cores you should do dual 7950x right? 😄

[finite hinge]

Not entirely different, a 128 core CPU that was all Intel Efficiency/Atom cores would still be bad for Folia

It would work better for Folia than Paper but still

[languid elm]

where can i download the folia?

[dreamy dirge]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[finite hinge]

Usually more cores means lower single core perf though which is where the difference for Paper and Folia is, you want more cores for Folia you aren't looking for peak single core perf like you would with Paper

But you're still looking for the highest single core perf you can get with 16+ cores

Unless you are using it for skyblock, then 128 atom cores might actually be fine 😄

[prime juniper]

Can we build folia for legacy versions like 1.8.9?

[timid grotto]

no

[viral coral]

no

[dreamy dirge]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[sudden tusk]

First item under "Folia will" above

[prime juniper]

alright? no need to cry about it smfh

[languid elm]

Can you please upload build 1.19.4?

[viral coral]

no

[finite hinge]

The lack of builds is meant to give you an idea of how unusable this is for the general public

You probably can't use Folia or don't want to use it even if you can

Not yet anyway

[sudden tusk]

!warn 404539470394949633 Be respectful.

[brave blaze]

:raised_hands: Warned Kalcor#0001 (Be respectful.) [1 total infraction] -- mbaxter#1592.

[prime juniper]

Is Folia fully multithreaded or just partially? I am asking this because I read it does regionized multithreading

[finite hinge]

That's not really a question with an answer

It doesn't run every entity on its own thread or something

[languid elm]

I tried to build but something goes wrong and it weighs 1 kilobyte.

[finite hinge]

And if all your players are close together you'll only have one region so only one thread for ticking

[languid elm]

Is it possible to download the kernel or build it myself, or is it still for closed use?

[livid crag]

Build it yourself

Follow instruction on how to build paper

[languid elm]

ok

[sudden tusk]

Paper should start distributing their own kernel, that would be fun!

[livid crag]

Oh yes Paper kernel

[sudden tusk]

Papux? Paperux? Liner!

[timid grotto]

PaperOS

[sudden tusk]

Ooh yeah, distribute PaperOS running on the Paper kernel

"async linux kernel fork" 🤔

[timid grotto]

make it single threaded, and then have FoliaOS be the multithreaded fork of PaperOS

[sudden tusk]

Did you clone it or just download it

[finite hinge]

You need to have git setup (your name and email), clone to the root of a drive due to long paths, and make your anti-virus ignore the directory you clone to

[subtle adder]

folia should not be used for production servers so why should you need a home system?

[sudden tusk]

For testing? 😆

[urban stag]

Why does folia need so much more powerful hardware?

[viral stone]

because distributed work is heavy

[ivory dust]

I have an 8c/16t system dedicated to the server, why does it only pick up 1c/2t?

[jovial helm]

You have one player online, it scales up

[ivory dust]

ok thx

[livid crag]

Looks normal for 8 core. Your MC server takes a few already. Do not forget.

[urban stag]

How much more demanding is folia though?

[livid crag]

Looking at his screenshot

He only has 1 additional thread

So it won’t benefit him that much

[viral stone]

depends on the use, its splitting up the server into tickable chunks

that requires a chunk of work to do that splitting properly

[livid crag]

As soon as 3rd 4th regions came into play for him / he will actually suffer.

[viral stone]

and then you've got all of the extra chunk gen/loading, etc, going on

[sudden tusk]

Incredibly

[tranquil epoch]

please see readme for tuning, at defaults it is made for servers that are not on pre-generated worlds

[pseudo ibex]

Are structure blocks broken as well?

[tranquil epoch]

idk

[pseudo ibex]

Ah ok

[celest forum]

you need to allocate threads

what spottedleaf said

[urban stag]

didn't 2b2t use folia?

[brittle summit]

Yes

it would have never done that without the ability to disable chat reporting

@urban stag

[urban stag]

lol

[ivory dust]

is this in the yaml configs? or maybe startup arguments? Or is it just dedicated server settings?

all 16 threads allocated

[celest forum]

i think its in one of the paper configs

in the config folder

region threading

just server "thread"

[ivory dust]

ok

[celest forum]

search

[ivory dust]

in global config

[viral coral]

not it

[livid crag]

Please actually read the readme

[ivory dust]

I did

[livid crag]

read harder

[ivory dust]

ok

[weary ruin]

grep -r threads *

[wise vale]

Command blocks are disabled right? I dont see it documented somewhere

correct me if i am wrong

[livid crag]

Yes. Command block will not work. It’s mentioned on the issue that’s closed

[ivory dust]

Worldborder command is disabled, I think i know why but can someone explain it to me?

I assume its cuz the parallel threads wouldnt be in sync to do it

[finite hinge]

That one is probably fixable but I can imagine it needs some work

It's a global thing but it applies to multiple regions and can be changed at any time

And can change every tick if you make it expand/shrink

[glossy locust]

base it on real time like the client...

[pseudo ibex]

Use Chunky

[livid crag]

Chunkyborder should work irrc.

[ivory dust]

Does essentialsx support folia yet?

[near crater]

It's a work in progress

[livid crag]

80% of essentials supports Folia - JRoy

[frank flare]

so 100% in Utilization is only single thread?

[tranquil epoch]

yes

[frank flare]

and, does folia make datapack multithread?

so other threads won't kick in until more players join? despite super heavy load on the world? such as worldgen, spawner farm

[tranquil epoch]

they're statically allocated at the start of the server

I think if you have 8 vcpus or less it will only allocate 1 thread

[frank flare]

I have 8

[pseudo ibex]

[frank flare]

damn too bad, we really need 16+

[tranquil epoch]

folia assumes 8vcpus is 4 real cores

in which case 1 is a really the only allocation that you can make before you overprovision the system

you can read the readme for a guide about core allocation to see why I sort of set the number at 16

[subtle adder]

(solved in #folia-dev)

[strange nymph]

NoCheatPlus now supports Folia. 🥂

[blissful basin]

😳

Grim better

👍

I mean I understand that people use NoCheatPlus for anarchy because it allows some level of cheats but doesnt block them completelly

[prime glen]

Has Grim become the gold standard for anticheats now? :))

[blissful basin]

No

I think vulcan still is for modern versions

[prime glen]

Vulcan is ok, not great not bad

[blissful basin]

Yeah gold standard

[prime glen]

Glad that Grim is foss

[arctic tapir]

this means..?

[blissful basin]

Vulcan is still more used

[strong vector]

vulcan achieved that in 3 years tho

while grim in only one

on those bstats i wonder how many % are legit copies of vulcan lol

[blissful basin]

No at all

Grim is old too

At least march 2021

[strong vector]

im talking when it was released on spigot

same for vulkan

[blissful basin]

Well Grim Was widely used before spigot

Vulcan was only released on spigot

Unfair comparison

Grim was published on spigotmc and bstats with 2.0 release

[foggy blaze]

Check to see if NEZAMY’s TAB is ported yet

Or if there are plans to port

[carmine brook]

As scoreboards are broken rn, I don't think you would even be able to port it at the current state of Folia

[keen fable]

Kyori Adventure isn't broken

[arctic tapir]

they didnt say that adventure was broken

scoreboards are broken

[keen fable]

Mb, i thought we talked about tab plugins in general

[subtle oriole]

Scoreboard API is broken, but TAB uses packets, I think it should work

[slim bolt]

Is there any way i can make a prefix for a player without scoreboards?

[viral stone]

no but yes

you'd basically need to use a packet based scoreboard

[frank flare]

well, I don't have hyperthreading, although I do have 8 physical cores, I get it, folia is towards actual server cpus

[carmine brook]

Ohhhh, I thought everything scoreboard was broken

[blissful basin]

Well server can't break client code

[carmine brook]

That is true

[wicked mantle]

Iirc it’s the scoreboard commands. Not the actual ui element

[blissful basin]

?

[wicked mantle]

Those are the commands that are disabled

All of them are on the faq

[blissful basin]

The API is broken too

[viral stone]

API is yeeted too because global state go brr

[wicked mantle]

Yer

[vast dust]

Okay, if anyone needs a punishment / ban plugin for Folia, LibertyBans supports it now

[carmine brook]

TAB plugin actually works (the things I have tested so far) with Folia with the folia-supported added (Although the %sync:placeholder% placeholders are using the bukkit scheduler so they won't work)

[tranquil epoch]

FX processor?

for a couple of reasons those FX cores aren't real cores but are also not hyper threading

they're in a weird inbetween land

[frank flare]

no, I was testing on my SBC

haven't tried my ryzen yet

maybe I should

[tranquil epoch]

oh

[frank flare]

yeah, 8 cores but arm, prob would perform like FX (just how bad FX is)

[blissful basin]

Shouldnt matter much right?

[viral stone]

it does matter, because CPU pipelines are fun

[tranquil epoch]

FX shared the FPU between cores for example

A lot of old amd stuff did the same

I believe they also shared an L2 cache and an I-Cache

[finite hinge]

Shared FPU means for chunk gen and entity ticking those may as well be one core

Altough bulldozer is also just old enough you shouldn't run a MC server on it anyway

[stiff lantern]

@finite hingecan anyone tell me how to install and run folia server?

[dreamy dirge]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[acoustic marten]

if you want to test you need to build it yourself

[foggy blaze]

If you’re asking this you prolly shouldn’t be running one to begin with

[stiff lantern]

I already tried but failed

[acoustic marten]

make sure you actually git clone instead of downloading

[stiff lantern]

yes i used git clone

and I use this command ./gradlew jar

[acoustic marten]

sounds like you need to read the docs

that is not the gradle command

[blissful basin]

Jar is not the task you want

[finite hinge]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper#how-to-compiling-jar-from-source

[stiff lantern]

ohh thank you

[stiff lantern]

this is what i was looking for

[stiff lantern]

than you all guys it worked for me

[ivory dust]

I was thinking about making a tutorial for all the noobs but then I realized this chat would get flooded by abnoxous questions

[red lintel]

How's folia? Is it still buggy?

[arctic tapir]

depends on your definition of buggy

[red lintel]

Well I'm sure you know what I mean.

Anyhow, I'm asking if it can be used on prod server or if it still needs more develot

[ivory dust]

most plugins dont have support yet

[arctic tapir]

if you have the hardware for it sure

take backups

[red lintel]

I see so the plugins are the only reason why it is still not released with public builds?

[arctic tapir]

it’s still in development and there are a few issues

[arctic tapir]

no

[red lintel]

From the recent exchanges here. It looks like Folia will be very pricey to run. As you'll need tons of cores to have it running.
It might be a little bit more challenging I suppose as most plugins will not work yet so you'll either have to wait or develop your own plugin which again adds up to your expenses if you don't know how to make your own plugin.

[scenic sky]

yes but you'll also run a server that can cover those costs

if your server doesnt make enough money to cover folia hosting, you probably dont need folia or need to rethink monetization

[red lintel]

I mean with a server that has tons of members I couldn't agree less.

[scenic sky]

and those are the servers that do need folia

[red lintel]

Aight. Just checking up here. Thanks for the updates. I've noticed they removed or privatized folia-github channel so idk. Just silently watching here and will study plugin development soon.

[scenic sky]

?

[red lintel]

Oh? I think I need to grab a role

Hold on

[scenic sky]

its one of the new amazing discord features that hides random channels

[red lintel]

Ok found it gahaah

Yes.

[ivory dust]

I use an 8c/16t cpu

thinking about upgrading to 14c/28t

[scenic sky]

what cpu do you currently have and what are you upgrading to?

[ivory dust]

i7-6900k currently

[scenic sky]

what are you upgrading to?

[ivory dust]

e5-2695 v3

xeon ofc

[scenic sky]

that is a downgrade most likely

[ivory dust]

due to slower clock speeds?

[scenic sky]

its a cpu from 2014

[ivory dust]

true

[scenic sky]

soon to be a decade old chip

[ivory dust]

2 years newer

and 14 nm over 22 nm tech

[viral coral]

still slow

[urban stag]

would folia be benificial for a 20k by 20k worldborder sized world with a lot of players?

or is that too small of a world?

[finite hinge]

Apparently players have to be 1500 blocks from each other for a separate region to be created

Depending on how your players are spread through that world you should get a few regions

[tranquil epoch]

No set block count

[finite hinge]

I've been telling people it's more or less view-distance + a buffer because I thought that's what you said in voice chat but enough other people have been saying 1500 that I figured I was just wrong

Or, well, I guess 2x view-distance plus a buffer

[tranquil epoch]

Let's say you got a vd of 10

Then the chunk system will bring chunks in radius 11 to full loaded

[finite hinge]

Right, have to have neighbors loaded so you can populate, right?

[tranquil epoch]

At ticket level 33, that will create chunk holders up to 45, so an extra 13

So 24 radius chunk holders

Current region section size is 16x16

So that's 2 sections

But the regioniser always creates an empty section 1 rad around non empty for buffer

[finite hinge]

I lost you at ticket level 😛

the lack of units on all of these numbers hurts

[tranquil epoch]

So it's 3 sections, or 48 chunks, or 700 blocks

Regions do not split eagerly, rather lazily

[finite hinge]

So the 16x16 is chunks, 256x256 blocks

How did 33 turn in to 45 turn in to 24?

[tranquil epoch]

Ticket levels go from 0 to 45

They are complicated to describe briefly

[finite hinge]

Wait if I load a chunk with ticket level 1 it'll flood fill load chunks 44 out from it?

[tranquil epoch]

No

Yes

It's backwards as hell

Doesn't help that my ticket propagator works in the opposite direction

[blissful basin]

Btw how do you handle entities/redstone crossing regions?

[tranquil epoch]

But 33 is full loaded, anything higher is protochunk

32 is block ticking, 31 is ticking

And anything lower is just more chunks

[prime juniper]

guys do you think i can share my test server ip address so that people can join and grief to test performance ?

[finite hinge]

So normal chunks load with ticket level 33, the system apparently loads neighbors until it gets to 45, 1 is always added to view-distance so it can fully load the ones in your view, so vd 10 ends up actually loading chunks in a 24x24 around the player, got it

[blissful basin]

?

[finite hinge]

They don't cross regions

The regions merged before they could even think about crossing

[blissful basin]

How do you prevent for example a creeper crossing region

[finite hinge]

region != mca file

You cannot have two regions touching, they would be one region before that happened

[blissful basin]

There needs to be a line between regions somewhere

Or is it like when they touch they merge

[finite hinge]

That line is a big gap of unloaded chunks

So they don't matter, they aren't loaded

When they get close to each other they merge, before they touch

[blissful basin]

Oh I see

[finite hinge]

Although there is some protoregion thing that happens that is technically touching before the merge happens

[tranquil epoch]

A region is a unique set of chunks in a world

[finite hinge]

Nothing is ticking while that happens though, afaik

[blissful basin]

That removes the need to sync data between them

[finite hinge]

Yes, that's how it was possible to make it multithreaded

[blissful basin]

Eliminates the issue of multipaper

[finite hinge]

Otherwise you end up with multipaper where you need 1 CPU core per player to sync everything 😛

[blissful basin]

That's not true

The overhead ain't that big

[finite hinge]

Ok, I think it might have been 0.5 CPU cores

[blissful basin]

It works just like every other server

The overhead of syncing isn't high

[blissful basin]

Yeah there was big overallocation for that event

Just to be sure

Also depends on what cores they were

Usually like 4 cores of 5950x could handle 50 players

[finite hinge]

That's called Paper

[blissful basin]

With multipaper

[idle furnace]

yep, have seen comments of someone starting a multifolia in that discord server

wwoo 🙂

that teck to keep in sync with one world must be quite a charm to keep

only someone with big "ones" has the courage to start a challenge like that and make it run

• it was a compliment

[ivory dust]

is it possible to load worlds at the start?

[idle furnace]

? why?

[ivory dust]

i need to load another world

[idle furnace]

you need a plugin to manage it, not sure is there is already one for Folia

[daring nimbus]

Pretty sure the world loading API isn't working currently

[idle furnace]

true

1000 seems quite a lot, but 500 seem doable

time will tell

[ivory dust]

why don't they just try replicating the load process when the server starts up?

[sudden tusk]

You are encouraged to submit code implementing this.

[ivory dust]

I'll try lmao

gimme a sec

[finite hinge]

Nothing is ticking yet when the server starts up

[ivory dust]

Apologies for some potential misunderstandings as I am new to this concept...

If the regions in a world had their own threads and everything, why are they affected by loading worlds?

[finite hinge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

That's the difference from startup to later though and world loading obviously works at startup

[ivory dust]

If it works at startup, why havent we implemented it yet? Have the devs not had enough time to do so yet or is there a reason?

[finite hinge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory dust]

ok

[ivory dust]

download?

@finite hinge they should "allow" the loading of worlds before initializing the world regions

[finite hinge]

PR welcome, I guess

Although I doubt they'd go with a halfway fix like that

[ivory dust]

it could be a temporary solution

[finite hinge]

Although since everyone who likely has a use for Folia also likely has their own custom Paper fork I suppose they could just put that in their fork or put in loading the extra worlds they care about in with the vanilla ones

[ivory dust]

yeah

true

[daring nimbus]

World loading while the server is running would still be somewhat important imo

but thats something that can wait until Folia is really stable

[ivory dust]

for now we should just allow loading worlds at startup

[ivory dust]

So I’m going to put the settings for worlds on startup in worlds.yml

I don’t want to add to existing configs since this solution will become redundant in the future

[prime juniper]

Floodgate is not working for me

I have compiled latest folia code from github

[inner swift]

Well, is the plugin explicitly marked as compatible with Folia? What's not working?

[prime juniper]

Yes

Is from the compatible plugins list

[finite hinge]

Pretty sure that list includes plugins that have an in progress branch or PR

Or ones that have committed Folia support but haven't done a release with it

[sudden tusk]

Maybe we could start with some clarification of what "is not working for me" means

[celest forum]

seems like something to report to floodgate devs

[ivory dust]

Ran 400 test players at 16.5 tps all in one region

[finite hinge]

All in one reason shouldn't be any faster than Paper

Probably slower really

[fading trout]

ayo

what's the point of this???

like for specific server type shit?

I really dont understand why Folia isn't better than Paper for overall servers

like what's the point of doing this

[fossil hollow]

Meant for larger servers with spread out players.
Each region is separate, so when one player/group lags, the rest don't.

[jagged ether]

Because if all your players are next to each other they're in the same region and you get no improvements

[fossil hollow]

does it say anything when they disconnect?

[fading trout]

Like 2b2t one?

[fading trout]

tbh with optimization Paper dont lag at all

do you try purpur?

ppl wont stop talking about it

dont like it

there's at least 1000 spigot project existing

as it seems ppl are active here I know why you wanna use it ^^

[jagged ether]

Basically servers with hundreds of players that are very far away from each other, then Folia can actually tick the regions separately

[fading trout]

paper too

[jagged ether]

Hmm?

[fading trout]

at least you can do it with paper

just dont tick chunk if there's no players in it?

[jagged ether]

Paper can't handle more than ~80 players

[jagged ether]

That's not what it does

Regions are ticked on separate threads

[fading trout]

nop

[jagged ether]

So each region has their own 50ms to tick or only that region starts to lag

[fading trout]

I use 100mb with 50 players and 10% cpu use with paper

i got 10$ ovh server

4go

ram

[jagged ether]

Keep the channel on topic

[fading trout]

my bad

budget server

that'S what it is

prolly because if you'd have read the project github readme.md

you'd have seen that it need more than 2gb

of ram

What server types can benefit from Folia?
Server types that naturally spread players out, like skyblock or SMP, will benefit the most from Folia. The server should have a sizeable player count, too.

What hardware will Folia run best on?
Ideally, at least 16 cores (not threads).

oh my bad

[fading trout]

need a good CPU

prolly a connection holding bug

wont dev on something completely useless imo

could know tho

no lmao

yw

[tranquil epoch]

Folia can scale regular servers, provided your players are not in a single area of the world

each region will have its own tick loop that is maintained in parallel with the other regions

so if you have some 10 player smp with like 3-4 players per area in the world it can scale to 3 threads ish

if they're all in one area it scales to only 1

so even for small player counts it can function very well but it depends

[idle furnace]

Would recommend start without plugins and start again with the players

My believe is that one of the plugins isn't yet perfect handling the player join event

Been testing the server for quite some time and never had join problems

[fading trout]

ok I understand, but why didn't you do something similar but in Paper?

[tranquil epoch]

this work is applied on top of paper?

[fading trout]

didnt understand

[idle furnace]

it is a statment

it is like Paper with steroids 🙂

[fading trout]

some steroid that make peepee little

[tranquil epoch]

I don't understand either

do you mean why isn't this work in paper?

[idle furnace]

paper multi-threaded by region so one region don't compromise others and you can use more cpu cores and threads

[tranquil epoch]

if so, then it's because of plugin compatibility

[fading trout]

no

I was wondering why this exist

[tranquil epoch]

I suspect most servers with more than a few players could take some advantage of it

[half vault]

paper has other async stuff, not anything like folia tho

might be what he is confused about

[idle furnace]

it is a solution that will provide more stability and performance, because of better resource usage, and the region isolation, so lag machines will not have the wanted impact, for example

more or less resumes my idea

[long kraken]

Where can I download Folia?

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[urban stag]

You have to compile it yourself

[vast dust]

You can download development builds of LibertyBans as mentioned on the website: https://libertybans.org/

[red lintel]

since it's like this. Aren't you gonna have the same performance with Paper server where all players are in the same region?

[scenic sky]

yes

[red lintel]

which means, If I want a single region to still handle tons of players, I'd have to use a strong CPU with good single thread speed.

[finite hinge]

You'd also just want to use Paper, it'll be (slightly) faster

And not have all the compatibility issues

[red lintel]

Yeah, but I mean I'll still go with something that can scale 😄

[magic stirrup]

im trying to provide my dev with a folia server. But he didn't have time to compile it himself, it's ages ago since i have done it myself. Is there a guide to where i can see what i need to compile it. Been trying to use GIT bash. But it keeps putting out an error

[worthy zenith]

I personally did it all in VSC using the provided scripts w/Powershell. But YMMV.

[magic stirrup]

Mh, haven't tried powershell yet

[worthy zenith]

It's all sequential, so make sure you do it in order.

[magic stirrup]

yeah, that is what i am worried about. i ran the install and then gradlow. But i think i needed to run patch before gradlew

[worthy zenith]

Also, as several people in here have noted, make sure you have the appropriate hardware on-hand before attempting a test-run.

I did it with a VM that has 8c/16t and it handled it like a champ, but again, YMMV.

[magic stirrup]

I have a 64 core cpu on hand, where we would like to try and preload a world and see how much we can push it

[worthy zenith]

There ya go

[magic stirrup]

This is what i keep getting, hmm

[worthy zenith]

iirc that sounds right, I did this last Monday and haven't touched it since.

[magic stirrup]

Yeah, it was from when i mined monero haha

[inner swift]

What CPU was it and how did you test? Just out of curiosity

[worthy zenith]

I've got a Hyve Zeus v1 box, loaded with 2x e5-2650v2's and 128GB of DDR3 ECC RDIMMs, connected to DC SSDs in another server over 10GB, nothing wild, but I had a good time and didn't see too many hiccups with my buddies.

If I decide to scale up, I might swap those out for e5-2680/90v2's for the 10c/20t upgrade, my only complaint is TDP and the boost clock drop.

[magic stirrup]

Nice

could be fun and try and run this in a cluster

[worthy zenith]

Clustering tends to lean more towards other solutions, this seems to be more of a bare-metal type deal from my perspective unless I'm not seeing it right.

[magic stirrup]

i once had a 2x xeon gold. but that was for school use haha

finally its compiling, fresh files worked like a charm

[worthy zenith]

[magic stirrup]

also have 1200 USD on vultr. could be fun to try their services haha

[worthy zenith]

jesus christ

I like Vultr for what they are, I used them alot in HS.

But, then I started buying my own equipment and got rid of it.

[magic stirrup]

yeah, i have it due to a sponsor deal with em

Arrg it ran the patch, but now it wont run the builder

Hmm, i am quite confused

[arctic tapir]

show the whole message

[magic stirrup]

Yep, will do. doing fresh patch run, to see if that was the issue

what i am getting, when trying to make the server file after applying patches

[sudden tusk]

Looks like you didn't clone it

[arctic tapir]

might be an idea to add back the error that paper also has when you try to build w/o cloning it?

[magic stirrup]

Ah, i simply just downloaded the zip haha

Its like 3 year ago i have compiled on my own

[finite hinge]

You have to clone it so you get the submodules for the API and server as actual git repos because the build process is basically adding commits to those repos

[arctic tapir]

thoughts on this?

[finite hinge]

In theory it could apply the patches and such without going through git and would work but then you'd have a different flow for building as a user and building as a developer

[magic stirrup]

yeah, i cloned it using visual code now. It's applying patches now

[finite hinge]

So the user one would just break all the time because the devs wouldn't notice 😛

[finite hinge]

Network dropout ate my reply, that sounds like something in paper's gradle setup that should migrate to paperweight

[arctic tapir]

ill give it a try

nvm https://i.imgur.com/7iAo6H9.png

[prime juniper]

is this utilisation normal ?

[livid crag]

Click on those region to see what’s goin on there

Answer: we don’t know

[wicked mantle]

859 players 👀

[prime juniper]

im talking about this

[wicked mantle]

yeah that's normal

[prime juniper]

we set the threads to 32 but it caps at 100 per region

[livid crag]

If your players are grouped together that can happen

[wicked mantle]

Each region can only use 1 thread out of the pool at a time lol

[prime juniper]

i see

[wicked mantle]

Basically all regions share a pool and will pull a thread out, do their "main" thread stuff, and then throw it back to the pool

[finite hinge]

Your players are too close together, you only have 3 regions (one per world)

[wicked mantle]

That too

[prime juniper]

i see

[finite hinge]

You need to turn down your view-distance or spread them out more

At view-distance 10 every player is in the center of a ~700 block radius (not actually radius but whatever) for their minimum region size. That means if two players are within ~1400 blocks of each other their areas will overlap and just be one region

Then if that's player A and player B if player C is more than 1400 blocks from A but not more than 1400 blocks from B they'll get sucked in too and now all 3 are in the same region

And so on until your world is one giant region

[wicked mantle]

so that's where the 1500 blocks came from

and also why 2b ran their test with a VD of like 4

[livid crag]

Coz their players are used to the shitty view distance /s

But it is likely to ensure players are still getting some chunk loading <serious>

[prime juniper]

would world-pregen help it ?

[livid crag]

It’s insane too to think about since you can bet a large portion of those 620+ players are using hack clients.

[wicked mantle]

yes

You 100% wanna pregen on Folia

[prime juniper]

i see

[wicked mantle]

It still won't help though if all your players are real close to each other or in the same region tho lol

[prime juniper]

i expect all smp's in the future to use folia and use a lot of RTP plugins

[finite hinge]

Leaf described it as view-distance 10 means chunks in a radius of 11 around a player will be brought to full loaded which is ticket level 33. The system will create chunk holders up to ticket level 45 (apparently in a flood fill manner) so it touches an extra 13 radius out from there for a total of a 24 chunk radius. Current region section size is 16x16 chunks so that fits in 2 sections. Then the regionizer creates an empty section around non-empty for buffer so you get 3 sections, 48 chunks, or 768 blocks

[prime juniper]

so the players are very spread out

[wicked mantle]

Eh just set the spawn to 0,0 and then set the spawnRadius gamerule to like 50k

[prime juniper]

thats also a clever way of accomplishing it

[wicked mantle]

Def should pin this btw

[finite hinge]

If you set the view-distance to 5 you'd get a 6 fully loaded radius or a 19 chunk holder radius. That would still be 2 sections though so you'd have the same 700 block radius in the end

That chunk holder bit really kills it

You'd have to use a view-distance of 3 to get a smaller minimum region size

Or wait no, 2

[wicked mantle]

so basically just make sure your players are spread the fuck out no matter what

[finite hinge]

They don't have to all be spread out from each other, they just need to group up in areas that are far away from other groups

[wicked mantle]

Folia would probably be decent for faction servers then too

[finite hinge]

I wonder how much it'd hurt things to make the section size smaller

Or if something can be done about the ticket stuff

Oh and Folia apparently eagerly merges regions (it has to or things explode) but doesn't split them back up right away

Or at all, not sure on that

It might not split again until the region as a whole unloads

You wouldn't want to eagerly split or you'd flap when someone was wandering around the edge

Waiting until they get a whole extra 16x16 section separated would kind of suck too, that's quite a long distance

So you'd want the splitting to be based on something finer grained than sections or you'd want to make the sections smaller

[blissful basin]

You can set really low view distance and use this to compensate for it

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/fartherviewdistance.84950/

[finite hinge]

No

[daring nimbus]

It might work. It reads the chunk data from disk and sends it to players. It doesn't actually load chunks

[finite hinge]

I'm surprised that doesn't blow up on Paper as-is, it'll definitely explode if you try it with Folia 😛

[daring nimbus]

its a lot better than its spigot page makes it look like in my experience

[finite hinge]

Even with a view-distance of 2 you'd have a 512 block radius

[livid crag]

I thought that ain’t updated for Folia

I talked to the plugin author and he said he was busy for the time being

[finite hinge]

Although that does mean so long as that plugin actually works and you don't set it to more than 32 chunks you'd be okay?

The plugin would need to ensure it follows the Folia regionizer logic and never tries to access something that another region cares about

[daring nimbus]

yeah its not updated yet

[livid crag]

Yeah just found the discussion #1018368926494769314 message

[finite hinge]

So in practice for sane view-distance settings players have to be 1536 blocks from each other to be in different regions, I guess the 1500 was right 😄

It's not right 100% of the time but unless something in Folia changes or you set your view-distance to 2 or larger than 18 it's the right answer

Being 1536 blocks from each other doesn't guarantee they are in different regions but if they're closer than that they definitely aren't

[daring nimbus]

Kinda hoping for that to get lower in the future, thats a lot of "empty" space between players needed

[inner swift]

I assume it's somewhat plausible to port FVD for Folia

It's relatively non intrusive, operates on the region files themselves

Unsure about NMS bit though

[chilly edge]

Is there a way to multithread forge?

[daring nimbus]

maybe? But Folia isn't related to Forge at all

[chilly edge]

ok

[weary ruin]

How does folia split the world into regions, exactly? Does it split into multiple only when people are far enough away from each other?

[finite hinge]

https://docs.papermc.io/folia/reference/region-logic

In general players have to be more than 1,536 blocks from each other to have a chance of being in different regions but if they started together then player B walked away from player A they'll have to go much further than that to actually get a second region to split off

[weary ruin]

Oh interesting, thanks.

[runic burrow]

why folia?

[livid crag]

Read the readme page @runic burrow

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[vestal meadow]

hello

[shell violet]

Hi

[vestal meadow]

I added the folia and created a plugin

[shell violet]

Okay

[shell violet]

Oh no

[vestal meadow]

still added

[shell violet]

You need to add folia-supported: true to plugin.yml

[vestal meadow]

No other plugins support it, do I need to add to all of them?

[viral stone]

plugins need to define that they support folia

and, well, they actually need to support running inside of folia

[livid crag]

You need to contact plugin developers, you cannot just add that to make a plugin work

[viral stone]

^^

[vestal meadow]

i know, i will rewrite the whole server, i just want the simple stuff to work

world edit/guard etc

[ivory dust]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/issues/45
@tranquil epoch
I run latest folia and this issue still occurs.

To reproduce:

• Set world spawn far away (Enough to make its own region) during heavy load.

[rancid pendant]

leaf gets emails with github issues

you don't need to ping him

[ivory dust]

Sorry bout that

[tranquil epoch]

need new stacktrace

[finite hinge]

I know this looks random but we've been talking about P core vs E core for Folia when people say "my 13th Intel has 14 cores!" so I thought it would be interesting to see how others are dealing with it https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mesa-GLThread-Disable-Small

[half vault]

less than 4 p cores is definitely some low end 13th gen cpu

[keen fable]

Can reproduce. I'll send a new stacktrace

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[tropic otter]

well, that was long

[tawdry gull]

https://docs.papermc.io/paper/aikars-flags

[tropic otter]

do you know if there is a compatible skinrestorer version?

[sudden tusk]

We don't really support piracy here 🤔

[tropic otter]

piracy? that's me compiling folia to test it ;-;

[livid crag]

Mbaxter is referring to this message. 99.999% of the time skinrestorer is used on cracked server which we do not support.

[tropic otter]

ohhhhhhhh ok my bad

in the future, will a folia.yml file be added?

[paper stone]

You might want to join SkinRestorer discord to get help from there

[strange nymph]

It's in the works.

[ivory dust]

Nice, make sure to ping me next time cuz I almost missed this message

[tropic otter]

[keen fable]

Added the new stacktrace
https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia/issues/45

[tawdry merlin]

Hi all,

I had a little glitch with Dogs but don't know if it's related to Folia or just Minecraft.

After one dog TP to me on top of some water, the dog walked in the "air" blocks like those blocks were solid instead of falling down (on multiple air block, same Y level). I don't know if it's a Minecraft glitch directly or Folia specific. Did someone also had that behaviour?

[tawdry gull]

Folia

Folia is a fork of Paper that adds multi-threaded region support. Many plugins will require updating to support Folia. There is no ETA for publicly available builds.

For more information:

• Readme
• FAQ
• Regionising logic
• Detailed overview
• Javadocs

Folia will:

• NOT be backported to older versions <1.19.4
• NOT be merged into Paper
• NOT be ported to Fabric nor Forge

Stay tuned to #announcements for any further info about releases.

'ETA' means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[keen fable]

Can you make a step by step replication guide ?

I'll try ASAP

[tawdry merlin]

Basically, it was:

1. Tame one or more dogs (two in my case).
2. walk away, the dogs will TP often to you when they are far enough.
3. if you make them teleport near "air" (like above those little pit with some water), the dog will "walk" on the air after teleporting like there's solid block under them

It may be the teleporting that put the dogs at the same Y as the player, even if there air block below them.

[bold osprey]

why folia is spawning camels?

[livid crag]

Same as Paper, as Camel isnt release yet but Vanilla still call for it in dessert center biome

[tawdry merlin]

Seem like they go through some block as well after TP like they aren't there

[bold osprey]

cool decision from vanilla 👍

[tawdry merlin]

It seem to happen pretty rarely, when the TP kinda mess up and put the dogs either inside a block (where the dog can "noclip" through multiple block without taking damage) or on "air", where the dog can walk (levitate) freely.

It reset that the moment the dog left that situation (either by going out of the block he's noclipping in or by touching a solid block when it levitate)

[keen fable]

I can't reproduce, the dog only teleport on land 🤔 but I think i saw something similar when using Entity#teleportAsync, armor stands going through blocks, not teleporting at the right location

[tawdry merlin]

The occurence were after a teleportation.

Was kinda funny to see my dog just walking onto air

(teleportation from the dogs because too far when I walked, not me teleporting)

[keen fable]

So it teleport on land, then float in the air ?

[tawdry merlin]

No

Teleport in the air

And walk like it's solid block and keep walking into the air

For the first case

And the second is: teleport INTO a block and goes noclip into other block until is outside solid block

(without having suffocation damange)

Both after the dog TP

[autumn garnet]

i no find .jar for download :/

[tawdry merlin]

which is intended

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[bold osprey]

is /worldborder disabled?

[jagged ether]

Many commands don't work yeah, if it says unknown command or sth then likely yes

[wicked mantle]

There's also a list of disabled commands in the FAQ

[ivory dust]

Yes

[shadow iris]

Hello Im curious about folia because Im running a server with duel xeon cpus with slower but more cores. would it work better for me other than something like paper? also what plugins run well with it?

[inner swift]

Depends on how slow the cores are (that is, the exact CPU model)

Very few plugins currently have support for it

https://github.com/BlockhostOfficial/folia-plugins (Includes some plugins that are in progress to support it)

[shadow iris]

Xeon(r) CPU x5675 @ 3.07 GHz

[inner swift]

Unfortunately I don't think that'd be good for either Paper or Folia

[shadow iris]

why not either? is there a better solution because currently Im having alot of issues.

sorry Im very new to running minecraft servers

[inner swift]

Its single core performance is too low, and that's the main thing for a Paper server
For a Folia server, a bit less, since work can be offloaded to different regions, but a single region still needs a reasonable amount of single threaded performance to work with

Also, the recommended minimum amount of physical cores is 16 for Folia, you have just 6 physical cores per CPU

[shadow iris]

ah I see

not sure what I should run then or should I just consider upgrading?

[inner swift]

I would just upgrade tbh or find some cheap shared host

[viral coral]

you're running on a CPU older than most of minecraft's playerbase

and presumably you're running on that CPU because it's a cheap dell r210 or something and it's somewhat power efficient

[shadow iris]

im not entirely sure its an old windows server I think?

[viral coral]

regardless of what it was or is

not great

folia is not designed for taking old hardware and breathing new life into it

you're gonna have a bad time running paper on that and if that's the case you'll have a worse time running folia

[shadow iris]

okay thanks for the info

[tawdry mural]

does Citizens has Folia support or any Citizens fork with Folia support?

[sudden tusk]

That's a great question for citizens folks 😂

[fallow meadow]

Personally I am running a Dell PowerEdge R620 with dual E5-2650 v2 and 64 GB RAM xD

@sudden tusk I just ran the command again that I shows in #general but I am still getting the same issue after I cloned the repo using Git Clone

(sorry for the ping btw)

[sudden tusk]

You got two of those CPUs? Otherwise you're only 8 cores and that's not much for the insanity that is folia 😂

[fallow meadow]

yeah I got 2

[sudden tusk]

Try the stacktrace thing it suggested in that error

[fallow meadow]

Dual CPU sustem

[viral coral]

also not great

[sudden tusk]

Oh look the word "dual" I failed to read

[fallow meadow]

well for 150 bucks total its dope

It came with 4 x 500 GB SSDs too xD

[viral coral]

have you factored in electricity costs

[fallow meadow]

I don't pay for power

Its included in my lease

[viral coral]

very fair

but not great hardware for folia

[fallow meadow]

Yeah I am fully aware of that. I am not going to run Folia in publication I just wanna see what it can do and have some fun

[sudden tusk]

🥳

[fierce knot]

message.txt by @fallow meadow: https://pastes.dev/rSGCNyJeUq

[viral coral]

as mentioned in the the readme

use java 17

[fallow meadow]

omfg it used Java 8 by default

f my life inside out

[fallow meadow]

Might have compiled it this time

when JAVA IS IN THE CORRECT PATH!

[finite hinge]

Holy cow that's not even based on the Sandy Bridge lineage, that's the older stuff that started life as Pentium M

Oh I was scrolled up...

[sudden tusk]

No it's good to acknowledge that again

[finite hinge]

That's basically the last hurrah of a CPU design that you can actually trace the lineage of back to like 1996

[loud perch]

will there ever be much hope for non-paper servers really benefiting from folia?

[sudden tusk]

What do you mean?

[finite hinge]

Paper forks could rebase on top of Folia I guess

[sudden tusk]

How would a non-paper server benefit from... paper with changes?

[finite hinge]

Fabric, Forge, Spigot, etc no

[loud perch]

ye i mean like fabric and forge

[finite hinge]

Someone would have to rewrite the lighting engine (ok leaf already makes starlight for others), the chunk system, and then all the folia logic on top of whatever other server setup they were using

You'd basically have to port half of Paper to Fabric

And all the parts most likely to have bugs and most likely to wreck mods

It's not impossible but I don't see it happening

[loud perch]

Yeah, makes sense

[finite hinge]

Even if it did happen you'd have the same situation as we have with Folia where all the mods have to be ported to it

But even harder because of how deep a lot of those mods go, they'd probably just have to rewrite and some things they do might just be outright impossible

[inner swift]

The system requirements would be ... Interesting for a heavily modded FoliaForge server due to the high single threaded performance requirement

[finite hinge]

I suspect even if you did get it to work all the craziness some modpacks get up to would end up resulting in things mostly being one region eventually anyway

At least you'd still have one per-world though

[loud perch]

Sponge would also be similarly hard like Fabric, too...

[daring nimbus]

Well, MCMT existed for forge and did work somewhat similar. But I believe it has been abandoned

And it's far less refined and advanced than Folia for sure

[finite hinge]

I don't know what MCMT was doing exactly but it wasn't like Folia, it was claiming 20% perf gains for a single player

I seem to remember it also causing a lot of random bugs with other mods

I might be thinking of an older attempt though

[silk remnant]

How can i download folia ?

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[obsidian cedar]

hmm?

[sudden tusk]

Gotta clone it

[obsidian cedar]

oh

let me see

[obsidian cedar]

that makes sense, thank you:)

[green fox]

how to join folia server?

[livid crag]

same way you join a Paper server or a Vanilla server...?

[silk remnant]

How to download folia?

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[tawdry gull]

⚠️ Please do not share any links to builds of Folia at this time. We are intentionally not providing easy to find/obtain downloads right now - when the time is right, everything will be available through official PaperMC distributions.

[sonic kayak]

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':compileJava'.
> Could not resolve all files for configuration ':compileClasspath'.
   > Could not find dev.folia:folia-api:1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.
     Searched in the following locations:
       - https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/maven-metadata.xml
       - https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/folia-api-1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.pom
       - https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/maven-metadata.xml
       - https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/folia-api-1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.pom
       - file:/C:/Users/Min/.m2/repository/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/maven-metadata.xml
       - file:/C:/Users/Min/.m2/repository/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/folia-api-1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.pom
       - https://repo.codemc.org/repository/maven-public/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/maven-metadata.xml
       - https://repo.codemc.org/repository/maven-public/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/folia-api-1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.pom
       - https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/repositories/snapshots/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/maven-metadata.xml
       - https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/repositories/snapshots/dev/folia/folia-api/1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT/folia-api-1.19.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.pom