#Wake Up Deadman

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lament jolt
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by U2 on the album Pop

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eternal dust
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it's already out ?

lament jolt
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I invite any and all speculation though I can't say much

eternal dust
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or did you go to a screening in advance

lament jolt
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I saw it early a few weeks ago at a screening but regular showings start in the next couple of days so I figured people would want to start talking about it now

eternal dust
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ah i'll have to wait 'til december then, netflix doesn't do theatre showing here.

lament jolt
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that's a shame. they only do them here because they're obligated by contracts and oscar regulations. if they didn't have to, they'd really rather not

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it's only in theaters for a week

eternal dust
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well here they don't because if they did they'd have to wait 28 month before showing it on netflix itself

lament jolt
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but also, I invite everyone to please call their shots on what they think is going to happen. I'd love to see who's right and wrong

eternal dust
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ah wait no 17 month since they contribute to french cinema

lament jolt
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what I can say without spoiling is that Rian got a standing ovation when he came out after the movie

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it was fantastic

fervent vale
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Ok so, what a fucking banger?

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I really love that it subverts the classic mystery trope of ||faking a death|| which is what I thought it was going to do from the very beginning only for the ||reveal that it was Samuel in the tomb instead of Wicks|| which was a delight

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I thought that every performance was very good

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Even the two that I thought were only Fine (Renner and McCormack) worked very well for the characters they were playing

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I also really love the fakeout from the beginning about why Father Jud was writing the story

lament jolt
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it's really funny you say it subverts the classic mystery tropes because this is actually the most traditionally structured mystery movie in the series yet

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the detectives don't usually show up until the second act

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though now knowing that's the usual, I find it really funny Rian put a quick shot of Daniel at the very beginning just to assure us that Benoit is in it

fervent vale
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Just that one

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Like, there were shots that I knew were going to be in the movie

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But they didnt mean what I thought they would

lament jolt
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I did think the lighting and cinematography were absolutely outstanding

fervent vale
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The final sting of Tom Waits hits hard

lament jolt
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oh. I actually didn't hear much of the credits when I saw it

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they were kinda interrupted

fervent vale
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its not in the credits

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I meant sting in the movie

lament jolt
fervent vale
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its the song that plays when he makes the cross

lament jolt
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oh. that one! yeah. that hit hard

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I don't actually know tom waits aside from improv commedians doing impressions of him

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but yeah. Rian at the Q&A after was great

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btw, what was that book referenced in the movie? I've been meaning to put it on my reading list and couldn't ask anyone

fervent vale
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The Hollow Man by John Dickson Carr

lament jolt
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thanks.

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heh. something about seeing my picture of Rian right below supervising plasterers is funny to me

fervent vale
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lol

lament jolt
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oh yeah. that song hits so hard

fervent vale
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I heard the voice and knew who it was w/o knowing the song

lament jolt
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this is my only reference for him

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which now comparing is actually a shockingly good impression

stray cargo
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I have now wokened the deadm'n

nimble leaf
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Anyone but me think ||Nats ex-wife|| was gonna turn out to be ||Cys mother||? Give ||Nat|| a more personal reason to want to ||kill Wicks||, a reason above everyone else, while also giving a bigger point to his whole ||sadsack divorced wife guy|| thing.

lament jolt
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I always had Glen Close pegged as the person behind it

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she just knew him the longest

nimble leaf
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That kinda doesn't really track with ||Cy's skin color||.

hasty pawn
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third act ran a little long imo, but i had a good time

fossil pewter
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I only just saw this but I’m an old impossible crime junkie. I will say, Hollow Man is great, but it’s also not the perfect first Carr, you want something more introductory before the one where the main character drops that he can break the fourth wall and that normal reality no longer applies.

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You may find one like He Who Whispers or The Eight of Swords is a better first one.

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Also my favorite joke is that Andrew Scott who as a genre author with real talent and imagination who became a sad Conservative crank is just another Carr reference

ember saddle
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so, just saw it - it is still in cinemas in at least parts of Australia

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And it was good but I enjoyed it a decent amount less than the first two, i think

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The end dragged somewhat, and I just didn't find the solve as fun.

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It was clever, to be sure, and a few bits very much eluded me. That it was about the fortune was clear from the start, and that someone would be coming out of that tomb was also very clear - extremely checkovs judas door

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I also thought that Benoit was a lot less...Benoit in this one

ember saddle
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I think it also annoys me that the villains kind of win? Like...yes, the actually killers die, but the shitheel son gets to go on making himself famous and lots of people believe Wicks rose from the dead as some kind of holy figure.

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Whereas the previous two you have very sold sections of "no, the bad people get pretty soundly fucked"

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yes, in glass onion a lot of them get to keep on going, I guess, but only the less bad of the bad people

steel pasture
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I mean it's very clearly saying something about the modern information ecosystem

ebon oracle
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I'd also say that if you're upset that the bad people aren't punished, "and Grace"

ember saddle
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i'm not upset, just slightly less satisfied

ebon oracle
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And Grace

ember saddle
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?

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I am unsure what point you are trying to make, sorry

ebon oracle
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So this is absolutely my favorite of the Blanc films, hands down. The solve and the minor plot niggles are the furthest thing from my mind as I experienced Father Jud's struggle to keep faith, the most important thing in his life, a force for healing instead of a force of hatred and division.

final hearth
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I mean, the climax of the film is the protagonist literally forgiving the woman who murdered the victim. I think perhaps the movie is not interested in seeing "the bad people" get treated badly.

ebon oracle
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Blanc is even the one who intentionally creates the video that allows people to believe Wicks rose from the dead, because he was inspired by Jud's compassion

ember saddle
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Sure, I just think that sucks

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Forgiving the killer - i mean, sure, shes dying anyway and he's a priest

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And to be clear I did mostly like it.

nimble leaf
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Also, Cy didnt really get any of what he wanted. He wanted the jewel and Wicks authenticity to propel him from being an online troll into gaining actual power. He ended up with neither.

ember saddle
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Yea fair. As I said that was a minor thing but w/e

hidden tangle
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finally woke up to some dead dude. banger. real solid vibes great character work and some interesting camera work. garth_marengi.gif /pos. the back like forty five minutes dragged a little bit and the solve felt a bit contrived but i would easily consider this the best of the three

brazen notch
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Dan Murrell's spoiler review notes a few clues that are actually there in the movie that I didn't notice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLDeBIVPjmo

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crisp thistle
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I have also Awakened a Dead Person (though I was somewhat distracted by work). I still think the first Knives Out is my favorite but I think Wake Up Dead Man will end up topping Glass Onion for me

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Mostly as I found Jud a much more compelling protagonist than Helen though I think that's a personal taste thing.

wooden kelp
# ebon oracle So this is absolutely my favorite of the Blanc films, hands down. The solve and ...

I feel like a huge underlying plot line of the film is the invisible work of women forming the backbone of the church and allowing it to function (raising the illegitimate son, funding the church by donations, doing all the paperwork and filing and washing and cleaning and polishing and organizing and and and…) while Grace is punished for the same crime her son then commits and gets away with

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Not to mention the misogyny underlying Dr. Nat’s motivation to comply with the resurrection plot

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And the way that Martha is pitted against her sister Grace, the idea of Eve’s sin…

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And how this is a catholic church with no imagery of Mary!

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The narrative and space is literally and figuratively haunted by the absence of grace

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I believe it is noteworthy that Jud differentiates himself as a priest on the phone with Louise, a woman preemptively mourning the death of her mother and the end of their relationship. And he tells her “I’m here. I will pray for you”

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If I’m not wrong, this is the first time we see a man (or any other character) center the concerns of a women in the film in a selfless manner

final hearth
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You don't even need to dig that deep.

crisp thistle
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But how will we wake up the dead man? Kappa

final hearth
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A film in which the antagonists repeatedly refer to a female character as "the harlot whore" isn't exactly being subtle in its gender politics.

ebon oracle
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Yeah, Rian Johnson isn't a subtle guy

ebon oracle
final hearth
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And specifically without imagery of Jesus because instead they worship at the altar of hating women.

ebon oracle
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Not just women! But yes, primarily women

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Mgr. Wicks is capable of many types of hate

wooden kelp
ebon oracle
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Interestingly the little fake resurrection myth is all put together by Martha

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There are definitely meaningful names in WUDM but I haven't been able to figure out Jud's, I can't see a good reading of Jud as a Judas

wooden kelp
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It feels very much like an intentional inversion

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I do think that having the one character who has a romantic relationship with a woman and who is then killed in a mission on her behalf be named “Samson” is very good

ebon oracle
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I suppose he is Wicks' Judas in a Jesus Christ Superstar kind of way but that doesn't feel right to me, Jud's faith is treated as too real and too compassionate for Jud to be associated with the Judas of the gospels

ebon oracle
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Martha is also a good one

wooden kelp
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I think is Msr Wicks’ Judas, in that Msr Wicks places himself as Jesus

ebon oracle
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Right

wooden kelp
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From the very beginning when he enters the sanctuary and his shadow fills the form of Jesus on the missing cross

ebon oracle
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Something I noticed - I think there are three times someone's shadow is cast over the place of the missing cross, and I think they roughly align with each act

wooden kelp
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Yep

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(I also think that the whole forbidden fruit wealth angle is very sharp, and someone pointed out the French on the Faberge box has nothing to do with Eve’s Apple at all, it just looks that way to an English speaker)

ebon oracle
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Act 1 - Mgr. Wicks' shadow is cast on the cross, and the first act is overshadowed with Wicks' control and hatred
Act 2 - Blanc's shadow right when he enters the story to interrupt Father Jud's despairing moment at the altar, and act two is also driven by Blanc pushing Jud to solve the mystery
Act 3 - Father Jud's shadow finally is cast, and this is the act where he finally takes control of the narrative and starts being the priest he has needed to be the whole time

wooden kelp
ebon oracle
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Yeah I noticed that too

wooden kelp
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The whole point being of course that not everything is at it seems

ebon oracle
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Well, I didn't know what it meant in French but I could tell it wasn't translated correctly

wooden kelp
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Very nice

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I also think that it’s very nice how they’ve laid a sufficient trail of breadcrumbs to establish why Mr. Blanc might be uncomfortable in churches

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In the previous two films

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But you don’t need to have watched those films to get this one

ebon oracle
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Yeah there's a kind of sketch of his background that gives us enough

wooden kelp
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And I think that’s the right amount for this sort of genre piece and his character archetype of The Detective

ebon oracle
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(because I really like this piece)

wooden kelp
stray cargo
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Jud's last name is Duplencity... what the dealio Rian?

ebon oracle
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If we wanted to go the Judas direction, Duplenticy is in the same realm as "duplicitous", but again it just doesn't quite work because that's perhaps what he was to Wicks but certainly not to us, the audience

high sphinx
ebon oracle
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true! but again, I don't see much of ALW's Judas in Father Jud

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I did wonder if Blanc has seen Jesus Christ Superstar

high sphinx
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Also, just finished, and I'm pissed. I locked in my guess right at the 50 minute mark and was so close:
||It was the old lady, using hidden tunnels, probably with the Groundskeepers help.
(I forgot Martha's name when locking it in)||

I was convinced the "more Disneyland than Notre Dame" comment and the Lazarus door were hinting at hidden tunnels.

stray cargo
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BTW, List of books are:
The Hollow Man by John Dickson Carr
Whose Body? by Dorothy L. Sayers
The Murders In The Rue Morgue by Edgar Allan Poe
The Murder of Roger Ackroyd by Agatha Christie
The Murder at the Vicarage by Agatha Christie

high sphinx
ebon oracle
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it turns out the Lazarus door was an even more straightforward thing

high sphinx
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Yeah

crisp thistle
high sphinx
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Still, I was close enough that my wife gave me the point, so I'm up one, and we've only got A Haunting in Venice to go before we gotta find another whodunnit series.

high sphinx
ebon oracle
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you've already cleaned up the Knives Outses?

high sphinx
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Yeah, she got the first two, which is why I was surprised I got so close on this one

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I absolutely nailed "Death on the Nile" though. I think I got almost every piece before the body even dropped.

lament jolt
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I warn you that you may not want this info and I'll also spoil it but Rian at the screening mentioned that there's an old addage Agatha Christie used to say that the murderer is always || the character it'd be most dramatically satisfying for||

lament jolt
ebon oracle
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I was going to ask if you had any other little tidbits from the Q&A

lament jolt
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I have many but at this point, I don't think they're going to come naturally but do feel free to ask specifics. chances are I'll have something

ebon oracle
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did anyone ask Rian about his personal motives for making a movie about religion? because this movie is very much about religion

lament jolt
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He talked about how he was going through his own crisis of faith and had been talking to priests before writing and this movie is mostly him working through his own feelings on the matter

ebon oracle
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that is exactly the kind of thing I had been wondering

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it feels like someone working through their feelings

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ooh, speaking of Rian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98ArZ8w5K9s

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Rian Johnson Breaks Down a Scene From 'Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives O...

'Knives Out' director Rian Johnson takes us through the investigation scene where Father Jud is being brought along by Detective Benoit Blanc, accompanied by the local chief of police Geraldine. Johnson explains all of the different quirks Daniel Craig, Josh O'Connor, and the rest of the cast brought to their performances and how this scene set ...

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he's done one of these for each of the Blanc films, I was looking forward to this coming out

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ember saddle
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See I usually go for ||which ever actors is most famous|| and it usually gets there

lament jolt
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I mean, you're correct but you gotta remember there aren't usually actors when you're reading

ember saddle
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Oh indeed

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But for me for knives out I picked basically as soon as he was on screen it would be Evans. How and why no idea

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I think glass onion i got deeper into the film; it was much less obvious for longer who would even be dead

ebon oracle
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the true murder in that one was the Mona Lisa

high sphinx
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Rian is having a really fun time playing with the conventions of the genre, moving things around each movie.

ember saddle
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Oh look I've enjoyed all of them

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I'd go so far as saying if you can't get close to guessing before the reveal its maybe less well designed a mystery

high sphinx
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Absolutely. And Glass Onion hid it really well

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I really like how this movie did so many fun things. They not only literally painted the tomb white, but then drove it home again with a "whited sepulchres" reference, which is just a biblical turn of phrase calling out hypocrites, which Wicks was.

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Probably a lot of little layers in the writing doing similar things.

ebon oracle
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if you want some more you can check out that reactor magazine article I posted earlier

high sphinx
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Oh, cool, I'll hit that

ebon oracle
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but I also have many many personal thoughts

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if you want unambiguously meaningful names, you can look to Grace (obviously), Martha, and Samson

fervent vale
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The scene w/ Louise and ||Father Jud forgiving Martha in her death|| are two scenes that just kinda triggered my trauma from ||losing both of my parents in the last 24 months|| but like... in a cathartic way?

high sphinx
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That Reactor article was real good. I expected to check out at some point but just read the whole thing.

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And the author of that article said they cried at those two points as well

ebon oracle
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I did too! just for other reasons

high sphinx
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I was too locked into the game of solving it, lol

nimble leaf
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With the mention of Murders in the Rue Morgue, I would have been immensely satisfied if somehow, a monkey did it.

finite rune
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to quote a famous tumblr post: WE! DO NOT! TALK ABOUT! THE ORANGUTAN!

ember saddle
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look if you write enough mysteries not all your solves can be corkers

lament jolt
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Benoit Blanc is in marvel confirmed

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wooden kelp
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ebon oracle
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Yep

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And he's strong

wooden kelp
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Yep

nimble leaf
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Was he that strong?

high sphinx
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Knocked out a professional boxer in one hit, I'll say yes.

wooden kelp
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And he’s a one-man groundskeeper

glass egret
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I would say that when watching I was kinda scared that when we went into Dr. Nat's basement we'd walk ||into finding his wife and family deceased on the opposite side of the basement. Very happy we didn't but it was in my mind||

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very good, the scene with lousie was super strong in helping to frame the movie was not blanc fixated like the others have been

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ebon oracle
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that's a good question, and I too can't think of any evidence that led to that conclusion though I don't remember what exactly Blanc says to her when he first shows up

glass egret
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My only real thought is that ||she is a young professional in a very traditionally masculine role, but that's a not really super specific cause||

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Also, ||I can't seperate Mila Kunis easily in my head from her role in that 70s show, although this movie has prob been one of the best at it I've seen of any performance by her since||

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One last specific thing - if you want some more context on the baseball game - https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-thrilling-win-over-d-backs-featured-in-wake-up-dead-man

MLB.com
Cubs game featured in new 'Knives Out' movie was a low-key classic

It's hard to know what viewers might consider a genuine spoiler for a mystery movie as meticulously crafted as "Wake Up Dead Man," the third and latest installment in director Rian Johnson's "Knives Out" series. The murder mystery franchise features intricately plotted puzzles rife with red herrings, locked rooms and

shell sand
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We really liked it!

lavish willow
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I was reading a thread on bsky talking about Wake Up Deadman from the perspective of a catholic and one of the things that came up is that Jud's name might be intended to a reference to Jude the Apostle instead of/in addition to Judas.

wooden kelp
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||iirc something like “are you really entertaining this meshugas?||

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||I wasn’t sure if the implication was that she was Jewish or a New Yorker (city), though, since the movie takes place in Upstate NY||

ebon oracle
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ohh yeah that's right

shell sand
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I noticed she slightly code-switched when she was talking to her subordinates vs talking to the suspects or to Blanc. A bit more of an accent.

ebon oracle
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I don't think this is necessary for the movie to work, but it helps give Geraldine a solid separation from the church. A reason she knows Wicks and his congregation only by reputation in what appears to be a smaller town

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twilit lantern
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Finally had a chance to watch this. I adore these movies so much

quasi gust
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Watching this for the first time a few hours before Christmas Eve does give it a certain extra flair

hidden tangle
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i made my family watch it so i got a second viewing in and yeah it's kind of a banger. i think it's the weakest of the mysteries from a structural perspective but almost everything else about it whips

twilit lantern
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I think Knives Out still holds my #1, but this is a VERY close #2

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Might have to watch all three of them again just to make sure

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What a tragedy

shell sand
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That poor girl

fleet badger
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Man.

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It's so good to see a movie and immediately love it.

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Like the first one, this is a movie I will probably watch a thousand times.

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So damn good.

fleet badger
twilit lantern
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I love that "secret knife throwing robot" is somehow less complicated than reality.

hidden tangle
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but once we get to the last thirty minutes or so where blanc is laying out what happened with dr nat i feel it got a lil silly

lament jolt
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For anyone just joining us, I’ve posted a bunch of stuff that Rian said about the movie at the screening I went to a few months ago. Feel free to peruse at your leisure.

twilit lantern
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That article upthread of the religious iconography is a fascinating read

tawny tide
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was this a deliberate spoiler, lol (re Scarlet Johansen)

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Chris Evans, Edward Norton, Jeremy Renner all killers in the Knives Out series

high sphinx
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Oh, wow, I didn't even notice it's the MCU murder-spree

tawny tide
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oh and I see Glenn Close is in GOTG, though that's not quite the same as being one of the Avengers

ebon oracle
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The MCU actors aren't exclusively killers though

tawny tide
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well one of them was the victim I guess

ebon oracle
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Two

ember saddle
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Oh right yes

tawny tide
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young dumb and full of christ got a good laugh out of me

shell sand
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How does one kill a guy in a boxing ring and not get arrested/tried/convicted?

fleet badger
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Insurance, waivers, risk assessments, court proceedings, and presumably some other complicated legal nonsense.

hidden tangle
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it presumedly being an underground illegal boxing ring

fleet badger
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Ah, that's true.

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Yeah that probably sidesteps a lot of those legal proceedings.

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Rule 1 of fight club

fervent vale
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It wasnt relevant to the story

fleet badger
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That's also probably true

tawny tide
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people have died in boxing rings, it's a result of repeatedly being punched. They'd investigate and determine if there was unreasonable force or something and probably write it off as an accidental. as long as he didn't say those things to the investigators....

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he's probably spent years guitling himself about a moment where he got too agressive in the ring

glass egret
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I mean, it can also be pretty normal boxing movement's on Jud's part and just ended up killing a man because of the randomness with how a human head takes a punch

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TBI injury stuff can be just super variable

hidden tangle
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i mean theres a long history of people dying in the ring

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not just in boxing

glass egret
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even if it wasn't a head injury, internal bleeding to the upper torso can become infected, although I would think that the implication in how it's talked about in the story is that it was a sudden specific event

high sphinx
# hidden tangle it presumedly being an underground illegal boxing ring

It's my understanding that it's actually the opposite. A sanctioned boxing match includes legal protections if the opponent dies. As long as he didn't do anything illegal in the match (like pull a knife), it isn't murder, legally, as far as I'm aware. Unsanctioned fights aren't as protected, and could be messy.

hidden tangle
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i meant more that no one would report him to the cops if it's a crime thing

nimble leaf
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The fact he said he was living on the streets at the time would make me think that yes, this is not only an illegal underground boxing ring, but that he was supposed to kill the other man. Which would have its own system in place to deal with the body.

fervent vale
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I didnt get that implication personally, but fair enough

ebon oracle
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are any of you French speakers

hidden tangle
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i have a year and a half of french

ebon oracle
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did you notice something about the name of the diamond

hidden tangle
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it wasn't eves apple

ebon oracle
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sure wasn't

hidden tangle
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i didn't catch the full inscription

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but i can't recall the first word

ebon oracle
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"l'eveil appel"

hidden tangle
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the awakening call right?

ebon oracle
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something like that yeah

hidden tangle
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oh those mother fuckers

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wake up

ebon oracle
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wake up indeed

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I like that it's clearly Prentice Wicks not knowing French and just kind of assuming he knows what the inscription means, but also with fun bonus meaning

fervent vale
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I love false cognates

shell sand
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The linguists have been enjoying that easter egg.

sick quest
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Watched this yesterday with my dad. It was awesome and I have many feelings

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but I do agree with Yak that I love that everyone got a chance at redemption. They didnt all take it but the door remains open which is Jud's goal even if it isn't the audience's

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sick quest
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It also feels like holding onto grievances is exactly what got that church to where they are now.

lyric sparrow
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So just watched it. I was slightly disappointed that I got the killer early on based on a motive and opportunity, (obviously didn't have the full motive) but it was really well done

boreal geyser
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As a fan of Columbo, knowing who did it early isn't the end of the world

sick quest
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any movie that only works by the audience not knowing the twist fails imo. I can see or read an Agatha Christie a dozen times and enjoy it knowing the whole plot because its well written

lyric sparrow
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It definitely worked, I just feel I lost something but not being focused on trying to figure out the character who turned out to have done it. Part of me was just like "that's too obvious" and expected to find someone new to fixate on later

fervent vale
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I think w/ Knives Out Especially, I've noticed that a lot of mystery fans are too focused on the solve and not the themes

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(this is not aimed at anyone here)

lyric sparrow
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Oh the themes are always impeccable, I guess I just want both, so it's worth repeat viewing. I rewatched the other two in preparation and was kinda disappointed that there wasn't much there I'd missed the first time, it just made sense immediately rather than having to wait for the other pieces?

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lyric sparrow
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Yeah, that might be what I was haphazardly trying to gesture at. I want to feel like I missed something but I feel like these films make it clear enough that something is odd, even if you don't have the context yet? Which in some ways is for making sure you're not confused and things feel earned, but in other ways harm the rewatchability RJ was apparently aiming for?

ebon oracle
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I rewatch this movie to experience the emotions. it has made me cry every time

tawny tide
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jolly stone
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So the big thing that stands out to me and hasn't been mentioned specifically in this thread is that the gender theming carried into the epilogue. The men in the group stayed bitter and fearful and suffered for it. The women got out and moved on in some way or another.

night thunder
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Gotta say, the lighting to emphasize the religiosity was a little heavy-handed IMHO.

final hearth
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The lighting in these films have always been pretty on the nose tbh

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like remember this

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ember saddle
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something something cowards subtly.meme

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tired shuttle
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It certainly isn’t subtle, but the way it’s played with is very fun to me. Especially during the part where Blanc and Father Jud are introducing each other.

tawny tide
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I think my favorite part of the film is the look on Blanc's face when he sees the diamond. 'don't look me at dude, I didn't see a damn thing, it's your problem'

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tawny tide
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I forget how I phrased it for Dr Who but like for that show these days I'll take heavy handed well meaning messages that say something over wishy washy handwringing that means nothing

next rune
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Social media dinguses: "Why is everything rubbing its woke agenda in my face??"
Creators: "Well, we tried being subtle about it, but then you fuckers ignored it and pretended we were on your side, so we're using a different approach now."

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Given the way certain people seemed to think Rage Against the Machine being political is new, I'm not sure there's any level of directness that will work.

next rune
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...you're not wrong, sadly

tawny tide
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and this is Rian "flamed about woke star wars movie" Johnson making these too

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civic shale
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Just watched the movie

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It was really good

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This movie felt weirdly therapeutic as a person who has grown up in a very religious conservative environment

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Especially ||Father Jud and Blanc’s interactions, one basing himself on faith and going into despair everytime something went wrong while the other was rational and not giving up. Also the Benoit saying that he learned grace from father Jud||

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I think this might actually be my favorite of the 3

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One thing I kinda don't want: An "avengers" movie where all Blanc assistants team up on a case.

tawny tide
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that's the final movie where they all try to solve Blanc's murder

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But they're all also suspects, so they're investigating each other.

trim olive
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And, in the end, it's the butler!

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Played by Tim Curry

trim olive
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(not previously introduced in the film until the accusal)

night thunder
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Alas, Tim Curry is really not in a position to be in a movie right now.

twilit lantern
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True, I'm being very optimistic in hoping that he can be the secret godfather of some kind of cabal by the point we get to that.

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https://www.tumblr.com/susiephone/803117728434094080/jud-im-constantly-haunted-by-the-fact-that-i

kiss kiss fall in love!

Jud: I'm constantly haunted by the fact that I killed a man in the boxing ring, and even now that I'm trying to be the best person I can be, I still stole a diamond worth 80 million dollars to keep it from falling into the wrong hands.
Helen: Yeah, I blew up an occupied house and destroyed the world's most famous painting to get revenge on the guy who murdered my sister. So I get it.
Marta, hosting this board game night in her huge-ass mansion:...

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tired shuttle
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Man I should go back and witch the other two. It’s been awhile since I saw them! Especially the first one. Maybe long enough that some of the subtler details won’t be as easy to pick up on.

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hmmm, that is plausible

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and also has parallels to the right wing grifter

ebon oracle
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I think this is a theory that is plausible but isn't a key for unlocking much more meaning, if that makes sense

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ebon oracle
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Oh yeah I know it's been fixed now. But maybe it undermines using the infallibility of Netflix subtitles as one of your pieces of evidence

ember saddle
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oh, I wasn't taking the netflix subtitles as evidence as all, but the "tomb of the father" is a weird line

sick quest
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My dad is deaf so the unreliability of subtitles drives me up the wall

surreal galleon
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Yeah it's a very plausible theory, which is why I'm surprised there isn't more made of it in the movie (assuming it's true), because it really adds to the background of Grace and the whole story, while also adding to the "Benoit Blanc is smarter than everyone" lore

ebon oracle
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I mean, I think it's plausible but not necessarily intended. Grace already has injustices heaped upon her and Prentice already treats her completely heartlessly and this theory doesn't unlock anything further there except to make it grosser

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The thing it unlocks is further paralells between him and Wicks. Which granted you don't need. I wouldn't be shocked if it was in a draft, mostly cut from the film, and just that line was missed.

lyric sparrow
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I must have missed the part where Blanc was revealed to be a child of incestuous SA, unless you're referring to something else?

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Between Prentice and Wicks

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Further up someone is suggesting (on not no, but not solid evidence) that Grace got "pregnant by a drifter" but really it was her dad

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so Prentice, Wicks and the right wing dick who's name I forget would have that kind of familial connection

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Ah right, the 'him' was ambiguous, and Prentice Wicks is already Jefferson Wicks' granddad who raised him so I'm not sure being his biological father changes much in his relationship

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To me it's already an adoptive father relationship, and if anything the incest makes things less clean?

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I'm not saying it's wrong, just that it doesn't make anything tidier from my perspective, just even more gross

ember saddle
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oh, the thing I am thinking is more just both Wicks being huge hypocrits

lyric sparrow
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But Prentice is already a huge hypocrite around wealth, right?

ember saddle
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sure

sick quest
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Yeah, this feels like a person wanted to be edgy to get clicks. It adds nothing to the plot or characters

lyric sparrow
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Like, it feels just as plausible that Blanc meant father as in the man who raised him regardless of biology

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I said out loud during Marthas flashback telling I was like ||"okay, she is clearly all a SUPER reliable narrator and we definitely wont revisit these scenes at all"||.
My partner called ||Marthas confession as what set everything in motion||
Martha ||jumpscares during the early parts of the movie clearly painted her as invisible with an undertone of sinister.||

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Hindsight on Nat's wife & Nat's life: ||Im really glad she isnt Cyrus's mom. I think itd undermine a lot of ideas in the movie. Its better as a red herring||
||Cause if she cheated on Nat, that would've been a woman's sin starting him down his dark path. The whole idea of the sins of a woman matter and we overlook the sins of a man is very central to the plot.||
||as the audience, we want a well composed movie to fit everything together, but thats better off disconnected because it tells a different story. A bad thing happened and Nat chose to pursue substance abuse, radicalizing, greed and violence in service of regaining her. We dont even really see that he loved her (we never learn a single thing about her). He seemed more bitter than heartbroken. That to lose her was the problem. She is a possession to him more than a person.||

ebon oracle
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Do you think she was the one who was into butterflies

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Definitely.

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||Im betting she left Nat because he was a drunk. Like I assume she liked the butterflies and left them behind to be rid of him. I bet things had reached the point of "I need to get away from him"||

ebon oracle
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He must have been the one into unfinished basements and corpse disposal

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to be fair, do any of us ever actually finish a basement?

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# lyric sparrow Ah right, the 'him' was ambiguous, and Prentice Wicks is already Jefferson Wicks...

Late to this, but yeah, this is why the theory is completely implausible.

The only scrap of evidence to support it in the movie is a single wordchoice by Blanc, that much more likely is referring to the fact Prentice is also Jeffersons adoptive father, and the man who raised him. Which actually is established in the movie.

And "that poor girl" would refer to the fact Grace was treated like shit by everyone, including Prentice and Marta, with Prentice lying to her, forcing her to live a life of shame with him, then Prentice screwing her out of the money he promised her.

And then we have the question of when, precisely, Blanc stumbled upon the incontrevertible evidence of this, 70 years after the fact, within a day and a half.

ember saddle
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Does the movie talk at all about Prentices parents?

nimble leaf
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Not really? Hes introduced to the story already being super old.