#Doctor Who 60th Special 3 - The Giggle

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dusty kiln
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I won't hold it against future stories but it will be a question every time its something big and obvious if 14 isn't running as UNIT science advisor because why the hell wouldn't they use him as a resource if he's there.
I imagine they'll throw in a line during the Christmas Special that they can't find him or he's dealing with something else due to time proximity to these specials if he's not involved

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smaller things that are under UNIT's radar level - yeah retiree Tennant isn't searching for trouble

flat light
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And I think 14 is going to have to be mentioned, because (new series spoilers) ||I'm pretty sure Mel is showing up again, and she's clearly regularly spending time with 14 and Donna's family now too||

wheat idol
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yea it was a bit ultra-libertarian verging in to sov. cit.

crimson surge
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While I don't necessarily agree with the sentimate the idea of 11 dropping an elbow on someone is hilarious to me

gilded grove
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to the doctors, 10 is what happens when you have a baby face come back as a heel

marsh hull
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Oh I mean that's just an image of 11 performing his finisher, "Silence Will Fall"

stark kayak
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You know I don’t think they paid NPH to be on Doctor Who

still girder
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just showed up one day and said 'lets do this'

stark kayak
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I think they paid him to leave cause he didn’t want to leave

still girder
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oh so he is Q

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you know here we were listing past musical and non musical supervillains that NPH has played and we didn't list Count Olaf

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guess we all.... looked away

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and yet somehow all of the bad guys he's played are less of a creep than his longest running role

lucid jacinth
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Oh yeah he was great as Olaf

eternal tapir
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Maybe they'll do a flashback featuring a past version of the Toymaker, played by Jim Carrey. skeletor

lucid jacinth
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What a good joke, makes me wanna have a lil chuckle, a lil...HahahaHahahaHa

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HahahaHahahaHa

naive spade
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Find someone who'll look at you like The Doctor looks at Themself.

dusty kiln
lucid jacinth
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Two and Three bickering is always so much fun

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Tho One's "so you're my replacements, hm? A dandy and a clown?" was such a great burn that I'm sad War didn't use it

dusty kiln
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this is the first time the Doctor has looked at himself and gone "Yeah I like you"

lucid jacinth
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Ten and Eleven liked each other

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Five came around on Ten, who was a massive fan boy

dusty kiln
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should have clarified that with "instantly"

stark kayak
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I mean that hug between 14 and 15 was just Ncuti fanboying all over Tennant

eternal tapir
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Most of them were pretty positive to Five in 1983.

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And he was actually quite nice to the others.

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Two and Three are the bickerers.

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Pat and Jon went on to become great friends later on, and would have water pistol fights around convention halls.

obsidian spear
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Two and Six argued... unsurprisingly...

eternal tapir
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They played up the bickering a lot. It was wonderful.

eternal tapir
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I wish The Two Doctors was a better story, but the Doctor interactions are great.

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I still think I could make a better version of it by cutting episodes 2 and 3 down to one episode. It only needed two 45-minute episodes, at three it's just ridiculous.

obsidian spear
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just watch the 6 part version for even more padding! And the best episode climaxes ever!

lucid jacinth
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Honestly I wish we had an entire episode that was just the two of them arguing over Six's TARDIS

"oh my, what have you been doing in here? your interstitial lateraliser is dangerously corroded, the primary chronogator seems to be held together with rubber bands, and the less said about the wallpaper the better"
"I believe, my irascible friend, you'll find the business with the chronogator is entirely your doing, remember that time you bumped off 1444 whilst trying to find where you'd left that ghastly recorder of yours - besides, you try locating a working chronogator for a Type 40, oh wait, you didn't"
"oh as if that's any excuse - you do recall that this is a time-space vessel, yes? as if a jaunt over to an era appropriate repair yard on Gallifrey would have been out of the question at some point in the intervening years!"
"now this is rich, you presume to swagger around my TARDIS, lecturing me on a failure to return to our mutually loathed homeland?"
"and what's that supposed to mean?"
"you know very well what I mean young m-"
and at that point Jamie gently prises them apart and well, no Doctor can resist the calming influence of that particular himbo

eternal tapir
obsidian spear
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needs [American Accent] 😉

mystic quarry
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Doctor Who is beans on toast tokusatsu, and I refuse to elaborate further

lucid jacinth
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Hmm, now I wonder what Japanese whovians think of the show

dusty shard
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Well spotted!

stark kayak
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Has there been a Doctor that’s as fabulous as 15 is?

lucid jacinth
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Well if you're looking for one as stylish...

mystic quarry
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Yeah the easiest comparison is the one with a moment of charm

sterile kite
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I just watched the commentary and so have now watched the episode 3 times 😅

eternal tapir
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Ncuti has been quoted as saying he feels a certain kinship with Pertwee; noting that the two of them "are the only Doctors who dress like sluts!"

red skiff
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Are the commentaries available outside the UK anywhere?

eternal tapir
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Or the Blu-rays, if you're fancy.

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Or 4D Hyper-Colourvision if you're from whatever future Steven came from.

red skiff
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darn.

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also, since Wotc is making a Secret Lair featuring characters from the specials. That means Gavin (the lead of the Doctor Who commander decks), probably got to see the specials early. Dude is living the dream as a huge DW fan.
https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/en/product/923726/secret-lair-x-doctor-who-regeneration

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Secret Lair x Doctor Who: Regeneration | Secret Lair

In celebration of the interdimensional event 60 years in the making, Secret Lair x Doctor Who: Regeneration features iconic characters and moments from the Doctor Who 60th Anniversary Specials on new, mechanically unique cards. Whether you're a fan of the Doctor and their loyal companions, or the terrifying villains they face, this drop is fille...

viscid pendant
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Potentially very early, since he's said he's had a plan for these for a while

wheat idol
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I mean, counterpoint: The 15th doctor has nothing to do with the (almost nothing) we knew about 15, and the meep you could have got from the comic from the 80s

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Like...he may well have, but none of the cards is terribly speficic to the shows

stark kayak
viscid pendant
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IDK, I think Rose Noble is pretty flavourful

wheat idol
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look, rose I will agree felt closest

red skiff
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I wonder if I can convince my magic playground that Rose Noble is a DBZ style fusion of Rose Tyler and Donna Noble, since they all have cards now :p

wheat idol
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lol

lucid jacinth
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You'll need a silly sounding technobabble name to manage it

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Something like "a psionic biomergent intrafusion"

red skiff
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ah yes, you're right. Thanks

hasty rock
sterile kite
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He also made a solid start to his claim by refusing to wear trousers

still girder
neat locust
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apparently the novelisation for this one mentions that the house at the end of the episode is the doctor's

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he really settled down

crimson surge
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It'd have been a nice touch if it was the same house that he bought Amy and Rory.

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But I don't think they were in an area rural enough to have moles and be allowed to shoot at them.

lucid jacinth
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Do you think he's driving Bessie again

safe iron
sterile kite
dusty shard
polar timber
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I wouldn't trust the doctor with cooking either tbh 😄

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the man has long time bachelor who only knows how to order or reheat stuff written all over him

crimson surge
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He did help Clara with a turkey once

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The First Doctor had that food dispenser thing that made entire meals into what looked like sticks of gum. I'd imagine that's still around somewhere since we almost never see the Doctor eat in the tardis. 12 might have had some Chinese food at the end of Time Heist.

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So, yeah, would not trust to him to cook lol

lucid jacinth
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Four and Eleven would definitely claim to have invented paella

flat musk
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I wonder if the Doc still has the house at Baker Street from their time as Claudius Dark. (Yes its Big Finish, I know, but its real to me dammit!)

mystic quarry
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hey now, the doc invented yorkshire pudding, there must be something going on up there

sterile kite
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fish custard feels like a big enough risk to not take my chances

mystic quarry
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what's wrong with a savory pudding

flat musk
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I mean this in the best way possible, but thats one of the most English questions I've ever heard

stark kayak
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How many regenerations does the Doctor have left now if bi-generation counts?

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10?

marsh hull
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I'm assuming that 14 won't turn into 14a, and thus it only counts as one?

stark kayak
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Cause 11 technically started the new cycle

distant solar
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"regenerations left" may not even be a thing depending on your interpretation of previous events

lucid jacinth
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Thanks to the Timeless Child, I assume infinite

stark kayak
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Cause the Time Lords started a new regeneration cycle on Matt Smith

distant solar
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Cycles never really been something outside that story element and only the Doctor - so choose your story

hasty rock
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so yeah, the answer is, for multiple reasons, "we don't know"

distant solar
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Also other Time Lords - the Master especially - went really loose with the whole idea

hasty rock
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(and ultimately unless a showrunner wants to do something with the limit again, it's more likely than not to simply not come up)

stark kayak
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Ncuti is technically the new era Doctor right?

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Cause 14 technically ends that era

distant solar
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Define "technically" and "era"

hasty rock
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(whether that numbering sticks we'll see, but the intent for that to be the numbering is there)

distant solar
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Disney and BBC will call it S1

stark kayak
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15 is a fresh Doctor

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They have none of the previous traumas 1-14 had

polar timber
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unloaded everything in 14 :p

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along with the pants

ripe dirge
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We are entering a new freeballing era. Plot expectations are just swaying in the breeze

stark kayak
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So we have the zeedex as a vaccine analogy

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A lookalike Boris Johnson

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Anything else topical I’m missing?

lucid jacinth
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The fact that the Doctor is at least over 2000 years old and only just got a house in a daming indictment of the British housing market Kappa

still girder
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also 'dude you need to actually recover from your trauma'

stark kayak
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Seems like the appropriate song for The Toymaker?

eternal tapir
vagrant steppe
eternal tapir
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Related to that, the little speech from the Doctor about how shitty human nature can be.

polar timber
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i don't know if it's topical, but we also had an ambulatory wheelchair user (and believe me it's getting lots of cheers in the disability community for the representation), and a wheelchair accessible Tardis !

wheat idol
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Yea, the wheelchair accessible tardis was because a fan wrote to rusty and said they loved the show even if they could never get on the tardis, so he just said hey turns out I can fix this

eternal tapir
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Yeah

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Apparently Ruth Madeley cried when she heard about the wheelchair-accessible TARDIS.

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(She plays Shirley)

ripe dirge
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Like Mr. Rogers narrating feeding his fish

mystic quarry
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it wasn't just "hey i can fix this" it was "that is the first thing we fix"

ripe dirge
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Or Bob Ross doing that black and white painting

sterile kite
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he's no longer a wheelchair user and doesn't have facial disfigurement either

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i also think he looked even more like a nazi than usual for good measure

flat light
sterile kite
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to clarify I know that he changed it because of the history of disability as evilness in literature

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but i wonder if he started thinking about that because of the conversation with Ruth and the letter from the fan

flat light
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Ah, okay, I getcha

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That wouldn't surprise me

hasty rock
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I think it's two prongs of the same decision yeah

mystic quarry
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he's a good egg, he goes hard and does good shit

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sometimes the good shit looks a little goofy because of how hard he goes but fuck it this is an instance where virtue signalling at the sheer power level of RTD is correct

eternal tapir
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Well, on one hand, I think the Davros redesign is just slightly silly... But it was a fun skit, and ultimately, making a change that doesn't ultimately matter that much, and doing it for a reason as well-intentioned as it was? Yeah, I don't mind in the slightest.

viscid pendant
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I didn't even think it was a redesign frankly. I just took it was Davros earlyish in his timeline

eternal tapir
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That was what I assumed too.

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And frankly, I don't think Russell is going to even use Davros again for the foreseeable.

viscid pendant
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I also assume he won't

eternal tapir
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We know there are no Daleks in Ncuti's first season or so, and if we do see them again, Russell tended not to bother using Davros anyway... And neither do most other writers tbh.

viscid pendant
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Oh my dad's gonna be happy to hear that. He is not fond of the overuse of the Daleks and Cybermen

eternal tapir
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Even Ben Aaronovitch only used him in a small role as more of a continuity nod than anything else. Could've easily been the Dalek Emperor or something.

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Mind you, the Dalek civil war that was going on in Revelation and Remembrance was pretty interesting.

eternal tapir
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And I mean, it's happened before.

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The Daleks got a bit overexposed by the the late 60s, and then once again in the mid 70s after their resurgence in the Pertwee era.

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They then appeared a grand total of four times in the span from 1975 to 1989.

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(Meanwhile they were present once per season for Hartnell and most of Pertwee, and they appeared twice in Troughton's first season)

sterile kite
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yeah I don't think Davros is that key a character at this point so they can probably just move on without having to worry about it too much

deep venture
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This may be a really minor nitpick, or totally unreasonable as a concern given Dr Who's approach to Canon, but I'm still curious: How did 14 know to give a defense of how Clara survives in her last second of life, when in Hell Bent his mind is wiped of Clara entirely

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Tangentially related question: has big finish done any Clara and Me specials

crimson surge
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12 gets his memories back right before regenerating

deep venture
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Aha, that will do it

crimson surge
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Yeah it's a gift from the, uh, opposing force in that special
can't quite call them a villain and "antagonist" feels too strong lol

deep venture
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Are you referring to ||the first doctor||

crimson surge
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No.

deep venture
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Interesting
I look forward to actually watching that episode then

crimson surge
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Ah, hopefully the memories thing wasn't too much of a spoiler then lol

deep venture
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No, it'll be fine

crimson surge
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Okay cool. It's a nice Christmas special. I hope you enjoy it when you watch it.

deep venture
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Spoilers for Dr who is practically a meaningless concept lol

crimson surge
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I'm sure River would have a few words to say about that

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But yeah, I get your point

obsidian spear
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Testimony

dusty kiln
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Kind of statute of limitations. Twice upon a time was... 2017?

deep venture
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You're right.

obsidian spear
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What is time?

lucid jacinth
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Time appears to be a straight line, but from a non-linear, non-subjective point of view, it's more of a wibbly wobbly timey wimey ball of... stuff

deep venture
limpid musk
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Wonder how much backpay he is owed by Unit

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And who did his return to work interview?

viscid pendant
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...Does he receive pay as President of Earth?

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Because he's already owed likely millions from his standard UNIT gig

limpid musk
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Depends, if he was put into payroll in 1958 and hasn't had a pay review since then...

viscid pendant
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I assume inflation will have at least been taken into account

red skiff
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but has he paid his taxes?

limpid musk
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Assume nothing, some Finance person goes each year "This Dr. blank in the system doesn't have a pay review flag. Must be some sort of test line, leave it at £1k per anum"

viscid pendant
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That sounds like the kind of Accounting issue that people get briefed on when they take the job

polar timber
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also this is unit, I'm guessing the accountant are briefed on the whole Doctor situation

red skiff
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honestly, probably works out for UNIT. they can use the money as an investment until The Doctor asks for some.

limpid musk
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That is several flavours of illegal, you need to put it in escrow.

lucid jacinth
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14, talking to Kate about the secret bank account he didn't know he had

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eternal tapir
ripe dirge
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I keep having the stupid spice Girls song pop up in my head for the last like 2 weeks

still girder
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looking at the lyrics for that song I want a spice up your life, putting on the ritz mashup or something

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both of them start in a very similar space

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speaking of the lyrics I see there's a very..... not good line in the song. and out of curiosity I rewatched the scene on disney plus the line occurs right when The Doctor is talking and you can't hear the lyrics and the subtitles just say 'lipsynching' at that point. that was some very specific timing

lucid jacinth
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Yeah they said in the commentary or the unleashed that they deliberately censored that lyric in as unobtrusive a way as they could

still girder
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I think that was actually pretty well executed

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what's interesting is there are a bunch of articles saying they're going to update song lyrics from 2018 specifically mentioning that song but there doesn't seem to be a new version

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just imagining Doctor Who using this technique for other songs
"there was funky-"
"Watch out, the Master is here"
"chopping men up-"

obsidian spear
hasty rock
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(though even if there had been, no guarantee it'd be in the library the beeb has already licensed, so we might still have ended up with this solution - but it's a good solution, so that's not so bad)

wheat idol
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<googles line> oh, yea, that's a no good very bad extremely poor line

hasty rock
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yeah it's one of those things where you might think "oh maybe it was just of the time" but no that was bad even at the time

ripe dirge
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I fully forgot it was there until someone mentioned it in here

still girder
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of course they could just have gone with a different song....

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just a thought

agile vessel
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Which other Spice Girl song would fit in there?

wheat idol
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the song fit the mood of what they were going for, although they could have changed said mood. I think just removing the offending line worked well enough that most people wouldn't even have known it was there

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@hasty rock yea, even in the dim dark past of 1997 that line would have been big yikes

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but, then again, a lot of pretty yikes stuff happened in that era that the 'mainstream' gave few shits about

still girder
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honestly, it's fine, their disguise of the line was very effective. it's still a good song that just needs a rewrite

obsidian spear
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next time NPH dancing to WAP! or Montero

agile vessel
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Its okay, its Wet And Gushy, the radio version, that will be fine.

wheat idol
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yea, while spice up your life felt very fitting for the mood, their are literally* one million other songs that they could have restyled it to

dusty kiln
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given the original Toymaker's appearance that line is certainly something...
Never really listened to the lyrics of the song and never noticed it before I imagine it was similar for the production team but they had already gone through a bunch of planning so hid the line instead.

hearty lynx
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neil patrick harris is incredible in this role

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I'm only about halfway through the episode but I know I'm going to want more of this toymaker

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Russel t davies did u just want to make a new jobu topaki

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jokes aside holy shit I love this toymaker

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SO fun

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ncuti put some fucking pants on my guy

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the giggle is a REALLY good episode

flat light
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and now you're caught up!

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you did it

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now to watch classic/Showa/Golden Age Who

dusty shard
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Including the audio dramas.

flat light
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And also the audio dramas!

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If you have Spotify, there's a number of stories available there, including some classic 8 stories, the one where David Tennant plays a Nazi, and an adaptation of the original planned attempt to bring back the Toymaker to the show

distant solar
still girder
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We discussed how 1 and 3 have a message and ppl asked about 2. Well, https://vxtwitter.com/DimensionsInJen/status/1737644591678214296?t=BHwYBjfWQyTAh9Li0QsV2Q&s=19

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Jenny (@DimensionsInJen)

Wild Blue Yonder is better when read as a commentary on AI art.

No things are without uniqueness. Their existence is attempting to copy others. Getting the essence of people, but getting details wrong like arms that are too long.

The more you give it info. The more it copies.

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eternal tapir
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That's an interesting take.

wheat idol
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That is a cool idea

dusty shard
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How does the friendly, placid Jimbo play into that interpretation? Machines are fine assistants as long as they're slow enough?

lucid jacinth
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I think that's a bit overly literal on Jimbo there

marsh hull
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If you want a Jimbo analysis in the same vein - he's a system that isn't pretending to be sentient. It simply takes the program as directed, then executes it as a result. But how it's used by individuals with creativity (Captain Horsetronaut) is something that the AI programs can't process.

dusty shard
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I suppose the whole Salt Gambit also represents AI accepting all its training data as truth.

marsh hull
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That would be the easy read, yep

still girder
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not everything in an episode has to be tied into the message of the episode

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however, an intelligent person using a tool in a clever way defeated the soul stealing ai impersonators

lucid jacinth
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It's also explicitly a reading being applied onto the text, when you do that it's not going to line up perfectly because it wasn't built with that reading in mind

hearty lynx
hearty lynx
lucid jacinth
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Until stated otherwise by the creators, I think it's best not to assume intentional subtext instead of accidental subtext

hearty lynx
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fair enough

hearty lynx
still girder
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as it's a hot news item it could just have been in the subconcious of the creative team. so it could totally be the subtext just not intended conciously

eternal tapir
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Intentional vs unintentional subtext isn't a distinction that particularly matters in most cases.

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JK Rowling intended Dumbledore to be gay, but you can only see that if you really want to see it, and even then it's barely there, and only in a few chapters of the very last book. Her intention there doesn't matter.
Meanwhile, Akira Toriyama didn't intend for Dragon Ball to carry messages that "sexual assault is okay, actually" but he was lazy about his sleazy jokes and didn't think about it, so a lot of episodes/chapters with Roshi in them tend to carry that message, even though he didn't intend to say that.

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So, whether or not Russell meant for Wild Blue Yonder to be a commentary on AI, it's a valid reading.

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That said, I think it may well have been on his mind.

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Whether or not a creator intended a particular reading is pretty interesting as trivia, but sometimes you can arrive at a better reading of a work than the author intended... or a worse one, if the author was careless. (Again, Toriyama...!)

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But yeah...

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AI is a cool take.

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I like Jimbo being a counterexample of technology as a tool.

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We assign a bit of personality to it by virtue of it being humanoid in shape, but that's just the GUI. It's purely a functional droid. Whereas the Not-Things are trying to learn how to replace human hands.

hearty lynx
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I mean as someone who is ostensibly pro ai, I think making the commentary is still really important, and I like the message of wild blue

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rtd was like, what if I did a solo episode that was better than anything chibnall ever did

eternal tapir
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Well. I'm pro-AI in terms of it being a cool technology with some very interesting use cases.

hearty lynx
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yeah like. ai should be regulated

eternal tapir
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But some people are trying to use it to replace artists in ways that you really shouldn't and can't.

hearty lynx
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agreed

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until we dismantle capitalism, ai will be used in ways that hurt those it parrots

eternal tapir
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If I see another AI-generated "here's what it would look like if Wes Anderson directed a movie about Glup Shitto" I swear I am Death Star-ing this planet.

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But yeah, this episode as a commentary on malicious misuse of AI? Very cool and interesting read.

hearty lynx
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anyways yeah neil patrick harris killed as toymaker

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honestly incredible

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the fake german accent, the casual fruityness

still girder
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casual? god, imagine what it'd be like if he went professional

hearty lynx
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RIGHT

eternal tapir
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Casual fruitiness is while it's in beta. In a few months, they'll add competitive ranked fruitiness.

still girder
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Neil Patrick Harris standing in the ring over his defeated opponent when suddenly 'OH MY GOD, THAT'S ELTON JOHN'S MUSIC'

lucid jacinth
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And just in general, not as a reply to anyone else's point, if you disregard author intention as authoritative on a work, you can't then claim an audience reading is definitive

deep venture
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JK Rowling intended Dumbledore to be gay
Did she though?
X to doubt.

eternal tapir
eternal tapir
# deep venture > JK Rowling intended Dumbledore to be gay Did she though? X to doubt.

Honestly, I think she did. But for some reason she never saw reason to put it explicitly in any of the books.

Now, there's lots of other shit she's said since that definitely is just crap that came to her head in the years since, but the Dumbledore thing was a note she gave on the script for the Half-Blood Prince film, and was something she briefly discussed when answering a kid's question at a Q&A when the films were still coming out.

(For reference, her script note was in response to a line where Dumbledore alluded to a girlfriend he had in his youth, when consoling Harry for taking him away from a girl who was interested in him at the beginning of the film)

deep venture
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The books... Or the play... Or the films where his lover is the entire driver of the plot... Or...

eternal tapir
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Well, indeed. Even as late as the 2nd Fantastic Beasts film, she was writing some very strong implications that Dumbledore and Grindelwald were lovers... And yet, until the 3rd one, she was stubbornly refusing to ever do so without an equally strongly implied "no homo" plot device or something.

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JK is a transphobe and can't seem to write anything competent since finishing the original Potter series, but I think she did always see Dumbledore and Grindelwald as lovers, and that their relationship crashing and burning led him to a celibate life.

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But she never actually said it outright cos her idea of progressive writing was pretty rooted in the '90s.

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Y'know, the decade when Joss Whedon was considered progressive.

hasty rock
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Yeah, she can certainly be criticized for not showing it (and yknow, separately for a whole lot of other things), but there's definitely evidence that that was something that she'd actually intended.

eternal tapir
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In any case, IMO she gets no props for Dumbledore being gay, cos she didn't actually depict that in anything beyond vague implication. But it's clear it was supposed to be there... but it's not actually there.

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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(That is to say, yes, I agree with your agreement of me. Not disagreeing with you or dismissing you, to be clear!)

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(Words are difficult)

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But yeah...

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Dumblydumb's whole deal wasn't really explored till the 7th book, and that would've been the time to discuss his gayness. But she never did, and IMO the book is actually worse off for it.

red skiff
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Just got this today, but realized the name is a lie now, with the new specials. If they had called in the Complete 10th Doctor Collection it would have been fine.

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obsidian spear
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I got the Series 1-4 complete set

still girder
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it's kind of like when I'm in a used video store and there's a 'die hard' collection. let's guess how old it is....

lucid jacinth
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Or you see a "Complete Harry Potter" boxset that's only the first five movies

obsidian spear
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Complete Fast and Furious!

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"We have both Star Wars movies!"

still girder
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there was a second one?

wheat idol
hasty rock
safe iron
rancid moth
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I just realized, Tennant has now been in two different sets of specials

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Actually, after his third season he's only been in specials

red skiff
vapid venture
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Finally watched season 13 and the specials

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That was fun

fast sluice
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Very late to the party as I just watched this special on Christmas (but not the Christmas special yet), and caught up on the entire thread just now.
Wanted to echo the sentiments of some folks way up at the top of the thread, in that I also wanted more overt teamwork between 14 and 15 in winning the game.
My prediction at the time was that the two Doctors would just be having a good time passing the ball back and forth while the Toymaker gets more and more frustrated that they're "leaving him out" and then they give him one good toss once he's all riled up, and that causes him to miss the catch.

sterile kite
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aha that'd have been fun

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like piggy in the middle

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I think the bit where one of them climbed on the other to throw would have been a good candidate for the winning throw

viscid pendant
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That would be considered cheating I think.

sterile kite
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maybe yeah, maybe that's a whole different game

viscid pendant
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Piggy in the Middle is just flat out bullying. But in a game of catch with more than 2 players, excluding 1 or more players to gain an advantage is cheating.

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The Doctor challenged the Toymaker to a game of Catch. Not throwing the ball to him and instead just throwing it to essentially yourself isn't playing a game

sterile kite
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i usually played piggy in the middle as like an actual game where one person goes in the middle and once you intercept the catch whoever threw that ball goes in the middle, but yes i see what you mean that would be cheesing it in this case

rancid moth
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Would it? In that particular game, you could only lose if you got thrown to and failed to catch it. In some ways, not getting thrown the ball is an advantage.

sterile kite
lucid jacinth
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The Toymaker will always abide by the rules of the game - if the Doctors are being unsportsmanlike, the Toymaker might decide to do likewise and he's got way more ways to be unsporting

sterile kite
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because if someone then throws it to you eventually but you're too frustrated to focus, then you're at a disadvatange. that could be the doctor being clever or it could just be them being unfair aha

lucid jacinth
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Also, if the Toymaker has reason to call the game spoiled he could demand a do-over and say it's his turn to pick a game and then suddenly the sun's going to explode and also it's now made of ice cream, and also it's blaring The Cheeky Girls into the skulls of every Sontaran until they blow up the earth and also you have to have fixed everything 20 minutes ago

viscid pendant
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I see you've chosen violence today with that music reference Batsuit

sterile kite
still girder
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further even if they did it just back and forth until the toymaker is angry then there's the increased chance that either doctor could drop it

stark kayak
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You know I kinda get why Play exists between order and chaos

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When you play there is “rules” to the game but when the game is in motion anything can happen so long as it is within the “rules”

wheat idol
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just like air bud

hearty lynx
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JUST like air bud

dusty shard
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Air Bud x Doctor Who Canon Confirmed Not Click Bait

untold cliff
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Nothing in the rules says a Time Lord can't play footy

vapid venture
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I mean the concept is literally called the magic circle

agile vessel
wheat idol
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The doctor has for sure played cricket

neat locust
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https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Cricket

Tardis
Cricket

The Fifth Doctor called cricket "the greatest game in the universe". (AUDIO: Phantasmagoria) Though primarily associated with Britain and her former colonies, (AUDIO: The Roof of the World...

lucid jacinth
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He's just dedicated enough to the sport to take the risk

agile vessel
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I was more referencing Life, the Universe and Everything, and the Krikkit wars.

obsidian spear
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that was a Doctor Who script for Tom Baker that Douglas Adams turned into a HitchHiker book

wheat idol
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huh, there you go

agile vessel
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Yep, that's the one, to the point that it features a preexisting character in the series inexplicably getting their own bigger on the inside time travel machine and trying to save the universe.

obsidian spear
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No, Professor Chronitis from Dirk Gently had the time machine. Slartibartfast just has the Bristomatic

agile vessel
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I thought the Bistromatic could travel in time.

obsidian spear
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Don't recall so, but then Adams did do whatever he wanted.

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there was defintely some kind of time travel shenanigans

distant solar
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and some years ago they rewrote the Krikkitmen story back into the Whoniverse

eternal tapir
still girder
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question/comment/thought

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so the doctor has unit run an algorithm to find where the toymaker entered our universe

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and then..... nothing

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they do nothing wtih that

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in fact they get interrupted

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and they defeat the toymaker and then all go along their way

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do we think that's coming back somehow?

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feels a little bit like 'we need to make the Doctor look like he's doing something instead of just waiting for the bad guy to arrive' but I'm wondering if there's more to it

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maybe it'll be involved in the unit series

rancid moth
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I could see it as either or, just like the Doctor's speech about how there's more than just Order and Chaos in the universe, that also got interrupted.
Either it becomes important for the future season and it's more "magical" stories, or it's just some throwaway stuff

still girder
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oh I think that the 'play' will be very relevant "my legions are coming"

eternal tapir
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I thought the algorithm helped him trace the Toymaker to the place he takes the TARDIS to, with Donna.

obsidian spear
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That was after he tardis tripped

eternal tapir
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Hm

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I guess that was just him trying to be proactive before the Toymaker burst in to Spice Up Your Life.

hasty rock
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I don't think it's really something that's left hanging - he didn't know where the Toymaker was, so he set out to find out, but the Toymaker showed himself anyway so it ceased to be relevant.