#Loki S2E5

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drowsy wedge
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Science//Fiction

hidden kernel
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McDonalds!

gusty skiff
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...Did they just make ||Loki the God of Stories, like in the comics?||

drowsy wedge
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maybe?

minor forge
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In the same way that they also put Infinity in Love and Thunder.

hoary fox
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having loki match the tube man when he warps in is cute

hoary fox
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oh, the main-on-end is falling apart

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that's probably fine

drowsy wedge
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the what?

hoary fox
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the main feature credits at the end

hidden kernel
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I was wondering if that was happening or I just didn't remember that it did that

drowsy wedge
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oh I stopped before credits

stable roost
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It's a strange one...I can't say it's a filler episode since it's taught the protagonist of the show something and put him in a position to further the plot in the finale... but every other character essentially had zero development, since those versions of them that we saw we'll likely never see again, and it's not even like a flashback that gives you more insight into them as a person, because they literally can't remember being that person

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Which isn't to say I didn't enjoy it, just that it's an odd one

hidden kernel
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Huh, there's only 6 episodes... just one left... huh...

drowsy wedge
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oh, good, a setup season

minor forge
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I mean, that's every new Disney+ show.

drowsy wedge
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not every season.

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Like,yes, they all have some amount of setting up the next thing

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but Ashoka, for instance, existed primarily for setup, and I have concerns this will as well

minor forge
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I was mainly referring to Ahsoka for that remark.

river silo
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I'm thinking it's less a setup season and more that we (or at least I) misunderstood the goal of the season.

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the loom thing felt like a b plot, and that we never quite an a plot

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but in fact the loom itself is the a plot

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this season is about fixing the loom and little else

forest heron
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Structurally, yes. The real A plot is Loki's character arc

river silo
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not really, they haven't done much with it until this lat episode

minor forge
river silo
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so..... I noticed there was a big hullabaloo about finding alternate Kang and then he was actually gotten rid of pretty quick.... did some changes happen or was this always the plan given the whole.... thing

drowsy wedge
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I predict he will be back in the last episode. Or that by doing the thing they scattered kangs across time and space

minor forge
river silo
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I think that they should just recast

drowsy wedge
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yea, just recast is surely the best plan

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Because you've even got an in universe explanation - variants can look different, and it turns out all the kangs that look like the one you've seen before got killed by the kangs who look like idris elba (or whoever you cast into that spot)

forest heron
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The canonical Kangs looking like the canonical Heimdall would be pretty funny, but I doubt it

drowsy wedge
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Look Elba was just the first actor who sprang to mind.

lapis ridge
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heimdal was kang all along

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Just having finished it, I think that I really enjoyed this episode

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I like that Sylvie's essentially right about everything

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except the one thing that I don't understand that she hasn't gotten which is that the TVA does in fact need to exist in some form as a physical location with some engineers because it does in fact house some very important machinery that needs to be maintained for everything not to melt down

stable roost
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There's one person they could replace Kang with that's already in the MCU... but I really hope they don't, and that's Loki.

I mean he currently has the power to jump to wherever he wants, in whatever universe and it's not going to be a surprise if he ends up running the TVA at the end of this season, so he could easily become throughout the multiverse what Kang previously was

Tom Hiddleston could easily pull off whatever variants of "Lokang" he needs to... but I think it'd be a massive backwards step to have him be the big bad of the future of the MCU (never mind trying to explain it to non Disney+ watching audiences)

stable roost
# lapis ridge except the one thing that I don't understand that she hasn't gotten which is tha...

I think the meltdown analogy is good, because I don't think the TVA does need to exist, but you could think of it like a nuclear power plant

Before Kang created the TVA, all the timelines just flowed alongside each other, but then they built a machine to control it all and that machine needs maintenance or it'll melt down... just like nuclear material is quite happy existing underground, until we put it in a reactor and mess with it, at which point it needs to be maintained or at the very least dismantled properly

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So Sylvie is right, the TVA doesn't need to exist, but because it does, you can't just walk away from it and let it crumble

minor forge
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So Sylvie is one of those people who thinks what ought to have been done is in any way relevant when the actual situation makes that completely impossible.

stable roost
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She doesn't necessarily know the time loom exists or how it works, she just knows the TVA prunes timelines and that she wants it to stop

minor forge
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Didn't Loki tell her about it in episode, like, 2?

lapis ridge
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yes and she thought the multiverse would be fine without it

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because only Victor and OB really understand anything about it more than "if this goes boom, we're fucked"

drowsy wedge
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yea, slyvie - not unreasonably - thought that if the loom was fucked, the timelines would go on fine - she (and indeed everyone) was not aware of the extreme spaghettification problem

lapis ridge
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I had been reading Loki's argument to Sylvie being, "Do you really want to risk all of time literally exploding? I don't" and her response was yes all the way up until the end of this episode

gusty skiff
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I'm a trying very hard not to make Magic jokes about this episode

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hidden kernel
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Not really, no reason to think the multiverse would unravel if there wasn't a loom

gusty skiff
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Yeah, if there was a multiverse before it, it seems reasonable to think there would be a multiverse after it, with no issues

minor forge
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What possible part of "its a big machine that is straightening out all of time" makes you think that just ignoring it breaking down would not fuck everything up?

gusty skiff
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It doesn't make me think that. But I'm also a real live human being watching this story unfold, and as such I'm capable of understanding something like this would happen. Sylvie, the fictional character, does not understand that, and from her limited perspective it seems a perfectly logical choice to essentially destroy the device responsible for suppressing the multiverse.

drowsy wedge
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What made you think it would destroy all of time and space? Like...the show didn't really seem to indicate that? It seemed real bad for the TVA, but there was no real hint that it would cause all the branches to turn to spaghet

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I think Sylvie - quite reasonably - thought it would be cataclysmicly bad for the TVA

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but, spoiler, destroying the TVA was always her ideal world state

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Because, to be clear about Sylvie not knowing this: The list of characters who didn't know it would destroy all of time and space is Loki, Ob, Mobius, Victor Timely, Ravona, Miss minutes...

minor forge
drowsy wedge
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Weird, because I'm sure an episode or two back you were complaining that the show didn't seem to have any stakes, which is an odd thing to be complaining about if you think all of time and space might be destroyed?

minor forge
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No, I said the show was acting like it didn't care about the stakes. Because they killed billions of people, and didn't really care.

drowsy wedge
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that was about branches being pruned, not the loom

minor forge
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And that's relevant to your trying to claim I'm a hypocrite how?

drowsy wedge
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I'm saying it's not just the characters in the show who didn't know the loom being destroyed would end all of time and space, it's all of us as well

minor forge
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It seemed really obvious to me.

lapis ridge
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I don't think we're ever going to get an in-text explanation of how exactly it all works but my read of things as presented are:
Before the loom was created, timelines would naturally generate, collide, and decay on their own.
The loom was created to refine temporal energy down to a single timeline. Pruning is a maintenance measure to make sure the loom doesn't get overloaded.
With some modification: the loom can be retrofitted to take multiple timelines and instead make a kind of braided chord that more or less sustains all branches it intakes.
Without the loom, nothing is keeping any timeline stable so everything's decaying