#Ahsoka Episode 6

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fast mantle
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I'm late on this one

teal turret
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I keep forgetting this is dropped early!

fast mantle
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Oh now we're a Sci Fi series

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Oh gods, he's such a gods damned weeb

teal turret
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Does Thrawn have a Chrisma score of 50 or something?

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BTW, for those who don't have subtitles (spoilering for now as not everyone has seen the episode) various names are given to peoples ||the troopers are Night Troopers, the nomad raiders are Bandi and the rock people are Noti||

fast mantle
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I think I'm just gonna call them ||Kitsugiri Cops||

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Best episode yet, entirely because ||Claudia Black makes everything better||

waxen imp
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I didn't even recognize her under the makeup.

fast mantle
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It's the voice

waxen imp
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Also the gold faced dude is named ||Enoch||

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I don't think that's mentioned, but it shows up in the captioning.

teal turret
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oh, and the language everyone speaks is ||English|| 😉

waxen imp
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I love the patchwork repaired Chimera, the Troopers held together with red ribbons, and the near mysticism surrounding Thrawn

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It's so good

fallen fractal
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"Somehow, Thrawn has returned." - someone to the Chancellor Mothma and her council, hopefully. 😄

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If Thrawn makes it back to the home galaxy, it's going to be Napoleon and the Hundred Days. I was thinking that his men must love/be devoted to him, but holy crap, that entrance.

waxen imp
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Also, there is so much imagery going on with these scenes.

fallen fractal
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I had subtitles on and it mentioned "Night Troopers" when they were chanting his name.

waxen imp
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The Eye of Scion is so oddly ornate for what amounts to a massive hyperdrive ring.

fallen fractal
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So, I'm sure I'm not the first one to theorize it, but...the Chimera is going to dock with that ring, right? Like a Jedi fighter with it's hyperspace ring?

waxen imp
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I wonder if it's gonna dock to the front of the Chimera, or if it's gonna dock at the back and be a giant pusher.

fallen fractal
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My guess is the front. It will look like a massive Aetherspite with ring.

waxen imp
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I hope it docks at the front, that's another cool use of symbolism.

fast mantle
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I assume around the middle, like the other Hyperdrive Rings we've seen

teal turret
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wear it like a tiara

waxen imp
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snort

fallen fractal
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I know they're the same voice actor/actor, but hearing that voice coming out of a live action Thrawn after Rebels...

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Also, they got his forehead and eyes just right.

waxen imp
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So, wild mass guessing, will they succeed and bring Thrawn back? Or is this just the season 1 story?

fallen fractal
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(When I read the books, I never pictured him with that type of forehead, but ok, that was then)

teal turret
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BTW, there's a wee Behind the Scenes "Master and Apprentice", where Dave Filoni talks about Ahsoka (no spoilers for future episodes)

fallen fractal
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I assume the season 1 arc is his return.

waxen imp
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Since we sadly know Baylan won't come back

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Which sucks out loud as he's been such a good character

fallen fractal
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I wonder if they'll recast or if his character doesn't survive Season 1 or if they write him out.

teal turret
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Wait... no... recalling what Disney has done... all we can say is that Ray Stevenson wont be back...

waxen imp
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Ugh, no deepfakes, please

fallen fractal
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I would rather a recast than a deepfake.

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I would totally understand.

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It's like Zavala for Destiny. Don't use AI or anything, we get it.

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I honestly wish they would cast Sebastian Stan as Luke for this period.

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And someone for Senator Organa, too.

waxen imp
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They would need to cast a child for Ben Solo while they're at it

fallen fractal
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Has he been born yet?

waxen imp
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He kinda has to be

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TFA is 30 post-RotJ

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Ben/Kylo is 29 in TFA

fallen fractal
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Aren't Ben and Rey the same age though, being a Force Dyad? Or is age unrelated to that?

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(I just recently read the Wookiepedia page on the Sith legend of the Dyad in the Force)

waxen imp
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Ahsoka six years post Battle of Endor

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So Ben is... fiveish?

fallen fractal
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Hmm and we know Rey is dropped off on Jakku, but it's after the Battle of Jakku which is...how much after the Battle of Endor?

waxen imp
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Rey is 19 in TFA

fallen fractal
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Ah, so she's meant to be starting out roughly the same age as Luke/Leia in New Hope. Ok.

waxen imp
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Yes

fallen fractal
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How many years ABY are we right now in Ahsoka?

waxen imp
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9-10 ABY

fallen fractal
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Thank you. Been trying to keep everything straight.

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I'm thinking the Nightsister Mothers are going to fill the roll of Joruus C'both roughly.

waxen imp
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Supposedly this season is supposed to be parallel with Mando S3

fallen fractal
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That would make sense, esp. with what Captain Pallaeon was telling the Shadow Council.

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Although I'm not sure if he's with Thrawn or not. I would assume he isn't if only because it sounds like Thrawn was only able to communicate back home through the Nightsisters' dreams.

waxen imp
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It seems silly knowing what we already know

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I think Pellaeon was communicating to Morgan Elsbeth

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And he was likely seeing to her resources for the construction of the Eye

fallen fractal
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Plus he'd likely have been with Thrawn and his guard when we first saw him if he was there.

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I wonder what Baylon wants. It seems like he wants to build some sort of new Force order, but it's obvioulsy not Jedi...but not Sith either?

forest cipher
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I felt like Baylon wanted to destroy the source of the force or something

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really enjoyed that

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Also the gold trooper was named Enoch in the episode at least once

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I think thrawn says it when he tells him to get Sabine her stuff

wooden flume
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I didn't hate the episode but like shouldn't the fact that we travelled to another freaking galaxy be a bigger deal? Instead we have just another Scotland-type planet with humanoid population. And how do these witches even know what a Jedi is, are they that old? Finally Ezra conveniently lives an hour or two away from the "base" yet Thrawn can't find him, do Star Destroyers not have scanners?

I did like the hobbit-crabs though. Also how many spare uniforms does Thrawn carry since he can find a pristine one while apparently everything on his ship (and the ship itself) had to be patched up.

waxen imp
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If I'm gonna be Nitpicky, I still don't like the decision to allow Star Destroyers, specifically ImpStars to be able to enter the atmosphere of a planet and cruise around. I liked how in the old books it was a special ability that the Victory-class had and that made it different. Also the terrifying uncertainty of a giant starship looming in space capable of dropping turbolaser fire from on high and never seeing it til its too late.

wicked oar
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Thrawn’s down to like two jackets left in his Giant Cartoon Wardrobe of Identical Outfits

waxen imp
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I think it plays even more to Thrawn's mythos that he, even in his exile, surrounded by a patchwork, maintains his immaculate uniform.

ionic geyser
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Loved:
"A Long Time Ago, In A Galaxy Far, Far Away"
the little wasitcoat on the 1st turtle dude
The turtle dudes designs.
Baylon Skoll (though that nearly goes without saying)
Claudia Black
Thrawn

Medium on:
Enoch's faceplate
the patched up Star Destroyer, Either it's been long enough it should be all patched, albeit in the patchwork manner, or if they can't have fixed it all, there should be something missing to it's shape, some section they deprioritised. Leave me a big gaping hole cut in the silhouette please.
Sabine learning zero lessons from her capture, and not assuming Skoll and friends are going to come after her.

raven bronze
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Blue Elon Musk being the least cool thing in the several minutes of screen time devoted to introducing him was a choice

ionic geyser
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It landed fine for me, but I can definitely see how it might not, particularly for viewers who haven't watched Rebels

raven bronze
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I have no particular attachment to Thrawn, I know who he is and what he's about, but only through second-hand sources.

That landing was a hilariously wet thud. If they were trying to make him seem menacing, or scary, or particularly competent, or like, any of the things you might expect them to want a villain they've been building all season to, to be, it was a HUGE miss.

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I'm borrowing a comment here, but it definitely felt like, if they were doing anything intentional in the scene at all, it was that they were completely undercutting Thrawn as a meaningful threat

ionic geyser
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Thrawn will never be menacing in a Vader/Tarkin way. He's always been much more insidious than that, and in that regard, I sort of agree with you, the scene as presented is set up as if he's some menacing figure himself, whereas he's always been the smart threat.

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The question left is, who is that entrance for

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and it's clearly the viewer.

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But also I can respect choosing to have Ahsoka stand on it's own two feet

raven bronze
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I think if that entrance is meant to set up thrawn for a viewer that isn’t familiar with thrawn already, then it’s very bad at that

ionic geyser
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I can only imagine it's for the viewer, because lord knows it's not for the elder night sisters, they've been chatting with him for years, it's not for Morgan I don't think, and he clearly doesn't give much of a shit about Skoll and Hati.

honest moon
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So I’ve been watching with my family and it seems like based on their reactions, anything from the prequels/original trilogy gets a genuine sense of excitement and stuff from Rebels gets a Google search and a “ohhhh that’s neat.” That I can see as a genuine problem and I feel like this series should have remained a cartoon but I enjoy watching it with the rest of my family

fallen fractal
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I don't know that I can agree with the criticisms of Thrawn's entrance, but I am admittedly biased, so it's probably not fair of me to comment on that. That being said, I can't remember the last Imperial threat we saw where the stormtroopers (or rather, Night troopers as they were apparently called) were reverently chanting someone's name.

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The entrance is practical in the sense that Thrawn knows his "salvation" has arrived, so the troops in the bay are there to begin transfering the Nightsisters stuff onto the Chimera as soon as is possible/practical (even if he's willing to take the three extra cycles to load it all up). The troops are chanting his name because he's delivered on his promise of returning home after surviving all this time even while they're waiting to begin onloading the cargo. I would imagine they're short on shuttles possibly...or that it's just faster to "dock" with the tower to load from there rather than use shuttles (if they have them). Thrawn is maintaining his polite diplomacy/alliance of thanking the Witches for their help so far since he's still going to need them for the campaign ahead, as well as just learning about the state of galaxy in ten years of his exile.

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That's my take though; I know I'm not going to convince someone that didn't like it, and I'm admittedly biased.

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...still trying to figure out the orange-red lightsaber blades.

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Maybe they're still "bleeding" their crystals? The new lore says that Sith used to basically torture their kyber crystals to be red, but they're not Sith. (In Legends, the red was explained by them being artificial crystals while the Jedi used natural ones).

waxen imp
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Tbf that was one explanation for red Lightsaber crystals, you could also get them from Kinrath Eggs.

ionic geyser
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It's not like they seem to be hardline Sith, tbf

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I don't get why, if they were pretty sure Morgan was coming, they wouldn't have loaded the stuff already.

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But yeah, knowing them being all in place to start loading up makes sense

waxen imp
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Baylan and Shin seem to be your archetypal "dark jedi" or if we dip into Legends, Jensaari

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I'm not gonna dare call them Gray Jedi because there are certain people who will go apoplectic at the mere concept

lethal basin
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Oh my god I love the look of the Kintsugi stormtroopers

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I look forward to seeing a few of those at Dragon*Con next year

prime onyx
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I appreciate that is a complete non-issue next to like, a lot of other things, but it is extremely amusing to me that either they carried all of Sabine's stuff in a carryon, presumably under Morgan's skirts, or one of the DIY Batallion had to take the shuttle into Orbit to get her shit out of storage

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The little Hermit crabsmen are adorable tho

fast mantle
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I'm frankly surprised they let her have her stuff back at all

prime onyx
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I mean, that's part of the ongoing character assassination of Thrawn, giving her stuff back makes sense if you think of him as like, a Connery/Moore Era Bond Villain

fast mantle
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Yeah, but the others? It's Beskar armor. It's A) worth a fortune and B) near indestructible. You'd have thunk a woman who once had a spear made of the stuff would have had an interest in keeping it, what with all the lightsabers around her. I can get Thrawn letting her keep it, but they could have gotten rid of her stuff long before they got to him

prime onyx
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I don't disagree, but that's a dangerous amount of common sense though. How is Thrawn going to get his comeuppance when the plucky heroes hoist Skeletor with his own petard

fast mantle
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You're totally right. I just did the thing I tell people not to do with Star Wars and thought about it for two seconds

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My bad

prime onyx
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(Of course, if we were at least doing A New Hope properly, they would have bugged her gear instead of trusting that Baylan can track her with like... his skills as a survivalist and the evil nomad's ability to recognise other villains)

forest cipher
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so....yes but also he does kind of want to have ezra found so he can kill him, and that means having Sabine last long enough to find him

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it not perfect system

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but it IMo makes just barely enough internal logic

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yea, he could abandon Ezra to this alternate galaxy, but he knows, as he said, that a Jedi ain't dead until you see the corpse

fast mantle
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It's such a massive risk though. And I don't take Thrawn as a massively self-sabotaging person.

forest cipher
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I don't disagree

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but also as I said it is just barely internally consistent enough for me to shrug my way through it

fast mantle
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I just need to not think about it. Thinking about Star Wars is the first step in not enjoying Star Wars

prime onyx
forest cipher
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I mean, it is the same actor. Although it felt like the skin was a shadow two to pale

prime onyx
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Oh, I have no issue with the looks, I have issues with the writing

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(but I also firmly believe we already got a perfect life action glimpse of what thrawn should be)

forest cipher
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oh I understood 🙂

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oh, what was that?

prime onyx
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Matthew Goode as Ozymandias, going "I'm not a comic book villain, I did that 35 minutes ago"

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that was the precise energy Thrawn should have imo

celest prism
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"If a Chimera wore hyperspace pants, would it be like this or like this?"

fallen fractal
# fast mantle I'm frankly surprised they let her have her stuff back at all

My thinking is Thrawn's logic is "We couldn't track Ezra with all our stuff, if we let her go with nothing, of course she fails. So give it to her...if she finds him, kill them both, take her stuff. If she dies from the raiders, take her stuff." And of course, if they don't make it back in time, just leave them all behind, eff it, Maybe Elsbeth might want the armor, but Thrawn probably doesn't care, and it seems clear that she's subordinate to him.

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I'm not sure why Thrawn would want to go to the trouble of finding Ezra when he's on the verge of ending his exile and just leaving him stranded there...but it could be a "I don't want to leave any loose threads. If I don't kill him he probably somehow makes it back. I know how these tropes work." That or maybe he has an agreement with the Night Sisters to try and kill him if he can.

forest cipher
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he's probably also pretty butthurt about ezra stranding him in another galaxy for 20 years

void oasis
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It's also entirely possible he considers Ezra able to command the star whales to take him back, and the only reason he hasn't done it is Thrawn would have seen the whales coming and shot at them, but without him, Ezra can definitely make it back, probably. (Admittedly this goes against the actual narrative in the episode, which says that he expects them to be stranded if left behind, so 🤷‍♂️ )

fast mantle
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The episode also explains that Purgills only make that hyperspace jump to die. Like Seagulls flying out to sea, if The Simpsons is to be believed

void oasis
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I would assume it isn't only to die, at the very least, not for all of them. I know they mentioned that it is where the do go to die, but there was also mention that people learned to travel to the main SW galaxy by watching them do this, so we have to assume they leave it too. Also, of the pod that Ahsoka is traveling with, only one seems old enough to need to travel to a graveyard.

But then again, I can't think "Star Whale" without pronouncing it "Starwhal" so, I'm not a reliable source for reason.

celest prism
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I'm just delighted that we're getting any mainstream star whale media outside of trapper keeper covers.

fallen fractal
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Let's not forget Link's Awakening!

prime onyx
fast mantle
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Huh. The three Night Sisters on Peridia are named after the three Fates of Greek Myth

teal turret
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Clotho, Lachesis, and Atropos?

fast mantle
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Aye. It's not those exact names of course, but the naming convention is clear as day