#Star Trek SNW s2e03

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hallow lake
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Engage !

radiant coral
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Checks bingo card Did anyone have ||time traveling romance thriller|| on their card? I didn't

hallow lake
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that was a really good episode

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really liked what they did to get the money instead of just stealing

sand epoch
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One wonders what Jim put up as collateral for the first game though

hallow lake
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got a fair bit of clothing on them

sand epoch
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Maybe he pulled a Data and offered that piece of jewelry...

halcyon bloom
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Isn't Kirk a country boy?

magic plover
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Not this Kirk, unless they have country spaceships.

halcyon bloom
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I'm saying in general

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There's a nice little inside joke this episode

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Toronto being confused for New York

hallow lake
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I liked that too

distant nymph
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Good characterization for Kirk, not a fan of revisiting the Khan well, but at least he wasn't the focus of the episode.

hallow lake
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or a silly reveal at the end on a file :p

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it was also an important part of La'an personal growth and feeling

distant nymph
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Real mess in the timeline now though, with Khan being a child in the 20...30s now?

sand epoch
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Was the year on this episode 202X?

hallow lake
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I don't think they've ever said ?

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I might have missed it though

distant nymph
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"early 21st century"

sand epoch
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The cars were all contemporary

distant nymph
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I'm assuming they mean just 20 minutes in the future because of the bridge (which there are no current plans for and would be highly questionable to ever build), but very 2020s Toronto skyline and currency

sand epoch
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Including the name of a school before it was renamed

hallow lake
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Christina Chong was really good this episode

halcyon bloom
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How much cash did Kirk get?

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That hotel didn't look cheap

hallow lake
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enough to pay for it lrrBEEJ

halcyon bloom
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Also got like designer clothing

hallow lake
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well those one they stole a credit card

halcyon bloom
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I love low tech episodes

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Really shows the ingenuity of a character

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It's one of the reasons why Secret Invasion is so good

hallow lake
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the only thing that kind tripped me is the supposedly secure location had like no guard at all

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even after the alarm started

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but heh

sand epoch
hallow lake
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I might have been distracted at that moment

sand epoch
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Yeah, La'an drops something in the woman's bag so it trips the alarm and distracts the guard so they can abscond with the apparel

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I'm not quite sure how "United Earth Fleet" got to its level of technology

radiant coral
uneven wedge
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Like in La’an’s confrontation with Sera, she talks about how the work of various factions “pushed back” the events. “This was supposed to happen in 1992”

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But yes great episode. Phenominal work by Christina Chong

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I do wonder if Pelia remembers La’an

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On one hand, it was one day out of… ummm… a lot

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On the other, how many days involve “I know your a Lathanite”

verbal geyser
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Sera claims it is time itself pushing back against all that meddling. Events reasserting themselves.

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When they meet Pelia in the past, she says that she's terrible with faces, which I assume is a handwaved excuse for her not recognizing La'an in the future.

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This season has been wobbly for me so far. I was happy to go along for the ride on this ep, but my complaints kept mounting. I'm actually fine with the Trek continuity changes. It's the basic structure of the episode that nagged me. Two needle drops, shaky cam car chases and fight scenes, huge amounts of suspension of disbelief.

I don't want to yuck anyone's yum though.

verbal geyser
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Christina Chong is good though!

austere matrix
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I had a lot of this fun with this episode. Kirk is starting to grow on me but he isn’t still there yet. I really like that the show is taking time to let the rest of the crew have a piece of the spotlight. Honestly it’s been nice to have a show where every episode isn’t dropping a major cliffhanger

sand epoch
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I would've cut the entire hotel scene, it seemed to slow the episode down so hard.

austere matrix
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I was ok with it cause it had a very original series kind of vibe and it led into the next scene that was kind of an interesting question. To be fair it is definitely preference and I personally kind of want show to slow down the pace a bit more nowadays

verbal geyser
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Am I the only one who didn't get any chemistry between the two of them? I must admit "bickerflirting" is my least favorite rom-com trope so it might just be me.

sand epoch
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I was gonna say I love "slap slap kiss" style flirting, but I agree, it still came out of nowhere

sand epoch
distant nymph
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The reference that the timeline is completely whacked now, but I wouldn't call it an explanation.

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Still, better than the writers of Picard S2 going "maybe Spock just got the dates completely wrong in TOS".

austere matrix
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For me it led into the scene where they talked about whose timeline deserved to exist which was a neat concept, it showed that they did find shelter and it was alluding to their romance. I think La’an is the weirdest choice cause her character doesn’t have really seem to have romantic chemistry with anyone but I’m not nitpicking as much cause I have been having fun with the show

austere matrix
sand epoch
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True

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As I said, I have no issue with an overall slower pace, I just didn't really like the scene, it felt out of place to me.

lime shale
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I liked the episode (just watched it) it was a nice lighter episode after Una's trial which was a giant mirror to bigotry were currently dealing with

verbal geyser
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Canon question: How many long-term alien presences do we have on Earth prior to official first contact? (Not counting the brief time travel appearances like Roswell or the Bell Riots.) So far I've got Guinan since the 19th century, the Vulcan group in the mid-20th century, the frozen Borg in the Arctic, the Lanthanites for who-knows-how-long. Anyone else I forgot?

dapper pagoda
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Mark Seven and his whole lot

distant nymph
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Gary, you mean?

dapper pagoda
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Yeah him.

distant nymph
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There's the Sky Spirits from Chakotay's background, who spent an unknown amount of time around Earth (and probably best left forgotten)

dapper pagoda
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The Celestials and the Kree interfered a lot, and the Doctor keeps popping up in history and... oh wait...

distant nymph
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There were the Preservers who moved some groups of people off Earth.

dapper pagoda
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let alone the Progenitors that seeded all lifes

sand epoch
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Does Data's head count?

dapper pagoda
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that's a time travel anomaly, so I wouldn't.

sand epoch
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So are the Borg in Regeneration by that metric

distant nymph
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The aliens from Plato's Stepchildren spent some time in Greece.

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Apparently there as a TAS epsiode featuring winged serpent aliens that were highly influential on many early human civilizations.

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and the Greek Gods.

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...TOS may have gone to this well a few times.

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they also had Jack the Ripper, and TNG had the Sex Ghost.

heady ridge
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I've really enjoyed the past couple of episodes, but there's a degree to which it feels like they're going through ticking off the various Trek tropes (unsanctioned mission, courtroom drama, time travel shenanigans) and I'm nervous as to what's going to happen when they run out of tropes to pay homage 6

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It definitely does feel though like they're doing a much better job of it than Picard ever did. I really feel like the original concept for Picard was great but they just couldn't get the right writers to do it justice

distant nymph
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Yeah, SNW spends a lot of time remixing the greatest hits, and not so much time exploring... strange new worlds.

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they're doing it extremely well, but it's still something I wish they could move past.

halcyon hawk
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It makes sense that they would want to shift the date forward for Khan doing his thing, and I feel like picking the time they did would allow it to be a part of World War III as well.

heady ridge
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I really enjoyed the episode last season where it made a faerietale world on the Enterprise

halcyon hawk
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I'm also getting a bit tired of Khan stories, but since they've already made their bed by having a Khan-related main character, at least they're addressing it a bit better than I was worried they would

heady ridge
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Even if it was essentially a variation on a holodeck episode

heady ridge
halcyon hawk
heady ridge
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Agreed

dapper pagoda
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Remember in Picard S2 that Soong pulled out that "Project Khan" folder...

heady ridge
distant nymph
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Star Trek's had this problem ever since Voyager whenever they want to time travel to a contemporary period, that they're getting well into the "alt-future-history" period established by Trek prior, but they want to play in the world as it actually (mostly) exists today.

heady ridge
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I kinda don't mind too much where things need to be retconned because real life happened. It's when they retcon things the series already made up, seemingly for no reason, when there's plenty of untrodden ground they could be exploring

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I can see that it was a good thing to explore La'an's heritage, and it was especially nice that they gave her a "if your greatⁿ grandfather didn't do a genocide there'd be no federation", even if I'm not quite sure I like that they kinda therefore legitimise genocide.

Not sure why Diet Kirk was in it though (joke explanation: ||sounds like Diet Coke in a Tyneside accent, and I don't feel like the actor quite lands the character||)

lime shale
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I appreciate that star Trek finally made it to Toronto after Worf found City Hall back in TNG :p

midnight sparrow
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i think "This was all supposed to happen in 1992" deserves some kind of award for most continuity issues fixed per word

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at least in Trek specifically, Doctor Who might have something that beats it

dapper pagoda
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something something UNIT history

distant nymph
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"whibly wobbly timey whimy" is hard to beat

austere matrix
verbal geyser
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Oh, the Voth. Good old dino-friends.

verbal geyser
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Wild theory I saw in some YouTube comments.

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heady ridge
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It's also potentially an in-world explanation as to why Disco and SNW look higher tech than TOS

sand epoch
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Unfortunately the Picard S2 timeline supposedly, according to the show runners, happens in an alternate universe

heady ridge
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I'm filing a motion to eject Picard from my head-canon entirely

lime shale
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I didn't hate it

night rapids
pliant lava
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so I feel like this was actually some form off predestination paradox as they both remember the bridge explosion which was caused by the Romulans. I think La'an's original timeline already had all the past events in them.

heady ridge
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La'an's timeline was already tampered with, but not enough to prevent the federation from forming, while Jim's was further altered - neither is the TOS timeline, but La'an's is somewhat compatible

distant nymph
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A lot you can just chalk up to "fallout from the Temporal Cold War".

heady ridge
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Yeah, it feels like at a certain point it doesn't strictly matter, as long as it's compatible with the stories you want to refer to

pliant lava
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define "the tos timeline" there's several different timelines for TOS due to their multiple time travel incidents.

sand epoch