#Guardians of the Galaxy 3

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raw gate
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Can the Galaxy just stayed saved for five minutes please?

abstract heron
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I have seen this movie, but I didn't stay behind for any post-credit scenes, so if there are any, please feel free to tell me.

raw gate
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There is a mid credit scene, Rocket leading the team (him, Groot, Kraglin, Cosmo, Warlock, random Jube Jube girl) on a mission, and a post-credit scene, Peter eating cereal with his grandpa.

abstract heron
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Cool. I don't feel like I missed anything. I probably could have left a little earlier, but I had to stay until the last song was over.

raw gate
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they are nice follow ups but nothing "must see".

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oh, and the final text card says "The Legendary Star Lord Will Return"... so... beware of that, I guess.

abstract heron
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Now that's a threat.

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I'd almost put money on it being in Secret Invasion

obsidian steppe
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the fact that it used that wording implies that the others will not be back

raw gate
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I think I saw that Taika will be taking over the reigns so... how about Star Lord with Screaming Goats?

obsidian steppe
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I hope not.. I've found I don't actually like his style much after all

rose needle
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Gotta say I really enjoyed this. I missed a few of the recent movies, so it felt nice to be able to jump on from the holiday special.

finite finch
# raw gate There is a mid credit scene, Rocket leading the team (him, Groot, Kraglin, Cosmo...

Not so random - she seems to be a kid version of Phyla Vel whose been an on and off again Guardian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyla-Vell

Phyla-Vell

Phyla-Vell is a character appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Created by Peter David and Paul Azaceta, the character first appeared in Captain Marvel vol. 5 #16 (January 2004). Phyla-Vell is the daughter of superhero Mar-Vell and the sister of Genis-Vell. The character has also been known as Quasar, Captain Marvel, and ...

little mist
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I loved this movie wholeheartedly

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It may have been a little messy but I didn’t mind at all

finite finch
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The flashbacks to ||Batch 89 filled me both with happiness and dread every time.||

brave mango
# little mist It may have been a little messy but I didn’t mind at all

Yeah, I feel the same way as I did with Wakanda Forever. The larger flaws it has are because it's doing its best to serve it's characters. It stumbles a bit for having way too much to juggle but sticks the landing in the end.

I do wish the final two whole team action sequences were a little cleaner though. Especially the last one; I get jump cuts selling the intensity of it but it was distracting and hard to follow.

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Overall, probably my favorite since Shang-Chi. Not sure I'd watch it again, though, but that applies to basically every phase 4 and both Phase 5 movies so far.

finite finch
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The Hallway scene was still fairly impressive

brave mango
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For sure. That one I only had a little trouble following action during some of the transitions. Everyone getting their moment was nice.

wary aurora
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Just got back from seeing it. That was easily the most intense MCU movie I have seen. Whichever direction it is going at a given time it goes hard in that direction. Like the brutal moments are very brutal. I'll probably start picking at its issues once I've had more time to process, but I would say that I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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I did think it was a solid send off to the guardians as we have known them.

raw gate
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Easy question... is Cosmo a good dog?

finite finch
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That's not even a question. Of course she is!

wary aurora
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Cosmo is the best dog.

dusky warren
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I thought the hallway fight used slo-mo perfectly to create "comic book panels".

potent widget
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this movie has a lot more body horror than i expected

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the flesh planet was gratuitous imo

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i did almost cry a couple times

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also, the rabbit spider was truly terrifyingly sad

warped steeple
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good film is good

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it has a few issues, but overall I thought it was very good

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Everyone got to do the thing, a few things were very cool

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I think it didn't do anything terribly surprising, but that's fine - you don't have to have big twists to get big emotions

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not a tear jerker or anything for me, but I can easily imagine some people having some pretty big emotions at a couple of points

pine cedar
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Had tears in my eyes a few times, yeah

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Before the whole debacle with James Gunn, was this originally slated to release before Infinity War/Endgame, or am I misremembering?

warped steeple
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I believe it was slated as first or second post endgame?

pine cedar
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Ok nevermind then. I kept wondering how Gamora and Peter's arc was originally meant to go if we weren't watching Variant Gamora

warped steeple
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yea, original release date was 1 may 2020 (according to wikipedia)

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so it would have been in the original plan as the first non-black widow film post endgame

warped steeple
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oh also: glad they left themselves a window to bring back the high evo

little mist
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I don't think there was a dry eye in my theater

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I almost broke during the scene where they finally saved Rocket but I kept it barely together

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I heard probably six instances of "that was sad" during people leaving after

wary aurora
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I noticed that while there were plenty of people in my theater audibly reacting to the movie, once it was over people were fairly quiet when leaving. There were a few low conversations, but I think most people were kind of emotionally drained and needed time to process.

hoary schooner
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Cosmo is a good dog

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I enjoyed seeing half the cast of peacemaker

hoary schooner
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Rocket sure did a number on his face

hoary schooner
finite finch
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Wait was she Ura?

hoary schooner
raw gate
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Oh, did not recognise her

quick meteor
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Oh that's who Danielia Melchior was

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I missed her in the credits and I also didn't recognize her

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As for my feelings on the movie: the dog days are over, the dog days are done.

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😭

abstract heron
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Genuinely my favourite part of the movie

quick meteor
hoary schooner
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I also appreciate that it was a team curbstomp

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I could see them having gone for a "it ended how it started" kind of fight with them fighting 1 on 1 , but that would have lost the whole message

abstract heron
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It's a pretty great bit, but nothing can top ending an incredibly emotionally exhausting movie with A) one of my all time favourite songs and B) just some genuine happiness from everyone.

hoary schooner
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What's everyone's favorite goof

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Nathan Fillion shit talking his co-worker was mine I think

warped steeple
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yea, that was great

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the whole "Drax is an idiot, that's why we like him" bit I also enjoyed

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like this is a movie full of absolute himbos, for sure

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oh, one nitpick:

Why would the high evolutionary give the 'blow up the planet' command before he actually had rocket onboard his ship? Like...maybe even don't do it before you've done the surgery?

hoary schooner
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I assumed there was no bombs buried under there, the ship seemed to go quite deep down

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Oh right, i misread that

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Yeah that doesn't make sense

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Seeing how much he wanted Rocky

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Rocket* , sorry been reading project hail mary again

quick meteor
abstract heron
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I legit had to remind myself that I was in a cinema and that singing along was not an appropriate thing to do. My face lit up like a bonfire as soon as the song started playing.

quick meteor
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Unrelated: I appreciate the subtle mutant tease for those in the know

abstract heron
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I lowkey really appreciate the movie starting with Creep and ending with Dog Days are Over.

quick meteor
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Creep was an effective opener

abstract heron
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And the sheer magnitude of difference between the two songs used in the same setting. It's basic as hell, but I still really appreciate it

warped steeple
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oh yea, I struggled not to sing along with creep

warped steeple
quick meteor
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And if I'm recalling correctly, in the comics High Evolutionary is a part of the convoluted origins of Mutants

warped steeple
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Oh, yea, that was another thing I found odd, because...that music was not 5000 years old, wasn't it specifically medieval monks kind of music?

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And that does make sense

quick meteor
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Oh, nvm I'm off base. Comics High Evolutionary is not that long lived. The mutant connection I was thinking of was that when Marvel was doing their mutant deprioritization in the comics, he claimed responsibility for giving the Maximoffs their powers

wind tulip
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Only in New Jersey would the audience treat the one Bruce Springsteen song in the credits of this film like it was being played at a Springsteen concert. (If you've been to a Springsteen concert, you know what I'm talking about.)

quick meteor
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Yeah, okay, I was conflating this with Eternals lore

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Understandable, as Eternals lore is confusing on a good day

warped steeple
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Lol, indeed

quick meteor
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I hope the person who is credited as "Gamora Shot This Guy!" milks it on their resume until the end of time.

finite finch
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I also appreciate how Rocket has fully embraced his love of Starlord's/Earth music

ebon gazelle
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I am currently rewatching Vol 1. When the team is arrested and sent to the Kyln, the Nova Corps exclusively refers to Rocket as "Subject 89P13." Never noticed that before. Guess my brain just filed it under miscellaneous technospeak. But now it makes my heart hurt

raw gate
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I think Layla is also referenced on their display of Rocket's details too

little mist
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I vaguely recalled Rocket mentioning Lyla at one point?

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But I also played the GotG video game that came out the other year and get all sorts of things from that mixed up with the movies now

raw gate
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Lylla

tame plinth
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The flesh planet was so gooey I was kind of wondering if Guillermo Del Toro did a few scenes.

finite finch
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I thought it was a flesh space station

tame plinth
modern hill
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Because that movie was made 10 years before this movie was written, and James Gunn, at the time didn’t know the shape this film would ultimately take???

tame plinth
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You know we can humorously speculate about this stuff from an in-universe perspective, and I wasn't asking for the real world answer, right?

raw gate
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The Nova files linked into Orgocrop files and Rocket's file had been filled in by some lowpayed lackey.

tame plinth
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Who decided the walrus and the rabbit didnt deserve a mention.

finite finch
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Teef and Floor they do have names 😿

tame plinth
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I couldnt remember if it was Teef or Teefs.

warped steeple
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I thought teefs, hard to know

raw gate
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Teefs according to IMDB

hoary schooner
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Halfway through the movie I was still hopeful that Rocket was going to commandeer a spaceship and fly away with them, maybe the others get arrested and sent back at some point which allows him to rescue them again in the end

tame plinth
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Think about it - if they were still alive and held captive, do you think Rocket would have ever stopped trying to rescue them?

finite finch
warped steeple
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yea, same

tame plinth
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That would have fit better into the characters. Rocket thought they were dead, but now has a chance to get them back.

Also, at what point did everyone else realize that the high evolutionarys face was actually a mask?

little mist
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So between this and Love and Thunder is the MCU creating a whole afterlife part of the universe…

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I mean I’m sure this is normal for the comics

little mist
tame plinth
finite finch
tame plinth
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I could see the tabs that it was clearly held in place and stretched over his regular head, since his ears were still natural.

little mist
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Maybe you’re right that there’s no connection to be made here

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But Rocket’s conversation with Lyla did feel much more focused and direct to me than merely a symbolic dream sequence

quick meteor
hoary schooner
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Highest death count in all of MCU, right?

potent widget
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sadly, technically, infinity war takes the cake again

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i assume counter earth is the sam as earth but set in ~1960s?

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1960 earth population was ~3 billion

hoary schooner
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I wouldn't count the blipped as dead

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Infinity war was in the quadrillions

potent widget
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they literally turned to ash

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but, yeah. with that as the exception, this is the highest death count movie

versed blaze
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Perfect movie, no notes

hoary schooner
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I concur

tame plinth
tame plinth
potent widget
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oh yeah

hoary schooner
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"The Guardians are all talking and we hear Groot say—not “I am Groot,” but “I love you guys.” And that’s the moment. Groot hasn’t changed how he talks. We, the audience, have just finally become part of the family enough that we can finally understand Groot, and what a beautiful way to add even more emotional resonance to the film."

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I JUST got that

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was so confused

warped steeple
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ohhh i did not get that

tame plinth
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Yeah, I didn't either, I thought this was just like him saying We Are Groot in the first one.

potent widget
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yeah, they dont seem overly surprised like we are, them seem surprised like he just said a lovely thing

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so, i accept this idea

raw gate
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I didn't get that either until someone else pointed it out

obsidian steppe
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yeah, I didn't get that

tame plinth
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I wonder if anyone has asked James Gunn if that was the intention

hoary schooner
tame plinth
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Fair enough. Yeah, went completely over my head.

little mist
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Interesting, I think that was essentially the exact vibe I got from it

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That we the audience were just being allowed to understand this time

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The other idea that he could actually suddenly say something completely new in English seems like a way less interesting interpretation so I sort of rejected that on the spot

tame plinth
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I would have taken it that way if we hadn't had the We Are Groot in the first one. I assumed it was simply an evolution of that, and the other interpretation didn't occur to me.

potent widget
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yeah. i was kinda confuseed but didnt care because it was cool he said he loved them

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but this solves that confusion for me

ebon gazelle
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It turns the repeated beat of Gamora getting annoyed with not understanding Groot's speech from a gag into a setup

versed blaze
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It took me a minute, my initial reaction was “what the shit” but then i got it

tame plinth
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I really appreciate that Nebula and Drax never found peace through violence, but in Nebula giving kids the kind of life she was denied, and in Drax being able to be the father he was stopped from being.

Its also funny that those are the two who end up in basically a domestic situation together. I don't think anybody would have ever called that, but it makes perfect sense.

quick meteor
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Re: Nebula and Rocket's closeness, aside from the similar backgrounds and Rocket building Nebula her new tech, it has been just long enough since IW/Endgame that I forgot they also had the five year gap to develop their friendship

tame plinth
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Didn't really come across in those movies, but yeah, they would be the only ones who could comfort each other at that point.

quick meteor
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Yeah, we mostly just had the one bit at the start of Endgame where they commiserated

ebon gazelle
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the bit where Rocket and Nebula sit and hold hands at the top of Endgame when they realize theyre the last of the Guardians is a Top 5 MCU Moment for me

quick meteor
ebon gazelle
quick meteor
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Rocket and Nebula were in space together during the time skip, or at least they were right before reconvening for the time heist

ebon gazelle
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rewatching the first 2 movies you can really tell that Gunn always knew at least the broad strokes of Rocket's past and it really resonates all the harder
so, imagining if Gunn already knew that in Rocket's past all his other test subject friends were killed in front of him, then it stands to reason that Rocket--having just seen Groot get snapped in front of him--he would cling all the harder to Nebula regardless of what she had done to the team in the past

quick meteor
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Everyone had a reason to hate Thanos, but Nebula had a reason most of all, and I'm sure even with whatever pre-existing relationship they had, Rocket would have found it appealing to stick with the person who hated his family's killer the most

tame plinth
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I get the feeling from her reactions to seeing the footage of him being experimented on, that Rocket had told her he was experimented on and tortured, and his friends were killed, but not in extreme detail. She likely knew the most about his backstory, but hadn't ever pressed him on what the High Evolutionary actually did.

ebon gazelle
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the bit where she says "This is worse than what Thanos did to me" is one helluva gut punch
cause Nebula had a pattern of clinging to that trauma as part of her personality
to cede it to Rocket felt like a big deal to her personally

raw gate
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although he did give her very pretty eyes

versed blaze
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ok i will revise my earlier statement. I have one singular teeny tiny note: I don't like Groot's muscular redesign. It kind of makes him look a bit too much like vin diesel, or at least reminds me of him.

ebon gazelle
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it was a weird choice but I also kind of love that Groot has a different design in every movie
sort of stands in for the fact that Groot doesnt actually have any character growth. He's just Groot.

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also hammers home that this Groot is still not the original Groot

raw gate
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Groot is also probably "how we can redesign the outfit so many actors can fit on a costume at Disney?"

versed blaze
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sure, but there are other silhouette's they could have chosen

ebon gazelle
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post credits Groot is a whole other kind of swole

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that scene is clearly taking place some years after the end of Vol 3, which I respect the hell out of. Gunn just planting a flag in "this is the team for a while, deal with it. peace out im going to DC"

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I love the way this movie uses Adam Warlock. stripped of all of the Infinity Gen bullshit he had in the comics he gets to be what he always was: an Golden Himbo just happy to be involved

versed blaze
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absolutely love every choice they made with Adam

ebon gazelle
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also worth mentioning that post-Timeskip MCU has (due to the pandemic) synced up with the real life timeline. If its ~2023-24 in the MCU, that means that Guardians Vol 2 (which took place only about six months after Vol 1, by Word of God) was back in 2014-15. Adam has been in his cocoon for about a decade, meaning he's only about 10 years old

finite finch
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I do wish we got him interacting a little more with the rest of the cast

tame plinth
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I feel like the MCU timeline has been all over the goddamn place ever since Endgame, because no movie or show is ever a consistent amount of time after Endgame.

ebon gazelle
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Very few of the projects have put any truly definitive timeframe on how post-Endgame they are. Wandavision is only a few weeks after, Far From Home is a couple of months, etc. But in general it feels like all of the Phase 4 entries roughly happen concurrently

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I'd put maybe a year or so between Endgame and Vol 3. Maybe 2 at a stretch.

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In any case I like imagining that in the 6 months to a year after Endgame Wong has been incredibly busy

tame plinth
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He had to binge all of The Sorpranos, after all

brave mango
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Got to be at least a year. Endgame is in May/June and 3 takes place after the Holiday Special, so at least 7 months later. And I don't think with their resources they could have done all that stuff to rebuild and refit Knowhere in less than a year.

ebon gazelle
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There is the possibility that Nebula and Rocket salvaged Knowhere at some point during the Blip

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The Holiday Special mentions they bought it from The Collector but the details are up to debate

brave mango
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Maybe, but I don't think so. Nebula says "we" bought it when talking with other members of the group who had been blipped implying they were in on the purchase, and the conversation about how much work there is to do makes it feel more recent than 5 years ago.
Also it's not an initiative I think Rocket and Nebula would have done on their own.

tame plinth
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Yeah, whats the point in setting up a home for refugees and outcasts when there is no-one to take refuge from or be outcast by?

potent widget
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I'm still suprised that the collector survived that explosion at his place in the original movie

tame plinth
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You saw him in the postcredits

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And he wasn't any closer to the explosion than the rest of the Guardians were.

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hoary schooner
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The collector, ego and the person whose skull is nowhere are the same breed, right?

tame plinth
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Collector definitely isn't. Celestials and Elders of the Universe aren't the same in any continuity.

Ego claimed he was a Celestial, but basically everything we've learned about Celestials since then says he's not, and just thought he was cause he had no clue what he was.

warped steeple
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Yea, celestials seem to be some multiple of planet sized

tame plinth
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While Ego is just the floating brain at the center of his planet, and everything else is just something Ego made.

warped steeple
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oh, sorry, I meant the collector - Ego as a celestial is...not entirely implausible? Like, what if he was a celestial baby that didn't hatch properly or something?

tame plinth
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I mean, if that were the case, there should have been a planet around him.

finite finch
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I mean...

tame plinth
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Okay, a planet that he didn't make

hoary schooner
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I mean, a brain that can will a planet to form around it sounds more powerful than just a sentient planet

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No offense to sentient planets, I hear some of them are very good boys

tame plinth
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Isn't Ego able to will things into existence around him in the comics?

finite finch
tame plinth
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Mogo and Ego are on the opposite sides of the moral spectrum, huh. Where's their crossover?

hoary schooner
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Being sentient planets

hoary schooner
obsidian steppe
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they have a dog on set?

quick meteor
versed blaze
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Florence Welch reacts to her song in GOTG3

abstract heron
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Big same though

quick meteor
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Big same though

potent widget
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Big same though

finite finch
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Wow that's a long echo

rough umbra
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Finally got to go and see it and really pleased they were able to come back and finish it right... so many moments and interactions from all their previous appearances that they finally managed to pay off properly

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Totally got the "we understand Groot now" thing as well. and thought it was brilliantly but subtly done

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Really thought at one point that Lylla would turn out to be alive (when she was killed, the high evolutionary said she had been "neutralised", which could easily have meant she was stunned), but I think so much of these movies is about the characters dealing with and accepting loss that her returning could have undercut that

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The soundtrack was of course fantastic and I love how they've gone from mocking Quill about music to all of them accepting and enjoying it

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Have to say that I'm pleased that after all the rumours and the trailers, that they didn't kill any of the main characters

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Makes me wonder who (besides StarLord) we might see in the future as well

tame plinth
finite finch
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Oh, he's somehow made these thumbnails worse

tame plinth
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The only way to stop looking at it is to click play

ebon gazelle
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yeah I did and this is super stupid

finite finch
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...but that's even worse 'cause then I have to listen to it

tame plinth
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Well, if you're looking for a different take, here's mine - I don't think that this one had as good a soundtrack as the others, or even other James Gunn movies.

Creep was obviously thematically appropriate, but it had the exact wrong energy for the opener. The other two, we have Quill's Come and Get Your Love opener, and Groot dancing to Mr. Blue Sky. This, its a depressed, dour Rocket slowly walking around Knowhere to Creep. Appropriate for the character? Of course. But it doesn't fit the fun action this movie should be setting itself up for.

Most of the soundtrack really didn't do much for me, though for Faith No More's We Care A Lot, that's just cause I've been getting those goddamn Alaska Airlines ads over and over again and gotten sick of that song. No Sleep Til Brooklyn in the hallway fight was done excellently, but I don't have a desire to listen to that song outside that context. By contrast, Guardians 1, 2, The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker all gave me so many songs to pull up on Spotify.

I think it says a lot that they ended on reprising Come and Get Your Love. Yeah, it makes sense as the culmination of the story arc, and being Rockets favorite, but I can't help but feel there was a tiny bit of wanting to have a safe choice for a final song to send the audience off with, so go with one you already know they love.

warped steeple
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I think creep was exactly the right kind of energy for the start of this film - everyone is kind of depressed and hates themselves

rough umbra
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I think the opening song can be tied to the character it's focused on, so I think Creep was a fitting start for Rocket and how he sees himself

A lot of the soundtrack tied into the themes of the movie (s) as well, "This is the day, your life will surely change" (although I will always associate that song with Empire Records) and well, all of Do You Realise

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It certainly wasn't as fun a soundtrack as the other two, but then this is also the first time they've been the ones to choose the music instead of them being handed an Awesome Mix from Peter's mum

ebon gazelle
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ive only seen the movie once at this point and I plan on seeing it many more times once it comes to digital but I remember loving the soundtrack during my showing last week. Especially the way it uses "Dog Days Are Over"

abstract heron
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Yeah, starting with Creep, then ending with Dog Days are Over in the same setting, but with very different tones was pretty damn good honestly.

tame plinth
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The whole point of the franchise is that these are all broken and sad people - the ending of the movie is the first time they actually find something that makes them happy.

warped steeple
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I don't think either of the people playing the song in the prior two films thinks that of themselves

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this is rocket choosing music which suits his mood, and his mood is: I hate myself, and the world hates me, and my friends are broken

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specifically, at the start of the first film quill does not think he has any problems, or at least not any he is close to admitting to himself. He's a giant manchild doing cool space adventures. And baby groot is...well, groot, and a baby

versed blaze
ebon gazelle
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there's this incredible sort of unspoken thing that Vol 3 does with the Zune that I love

so in Vol 1, The first volume of the Awesome Mix is a tape that Meredith Quill made for Peter. She shared her love of music with him and he held onto that and it defined him, even if it dated his Earth pop culture references a bit. then at the end of Vol 1 Peter opens that gift from his mother and it turns out to be the second volume of the Awesome Mix, which defines the soundtrack of the second movie. Then Quill's tape player gets destroyed and the Ravagers give him the Zune.

between that point and Infinity War, 4 years pass. the music on the Zune defines the soundtrack of the Benatar and the daily life of the Guardians. Everyone has grown used to it and even found songs they love in the playlist. It's become an integral part of their family in a way that the Awesome Mixes were to Peter and his mom.

Then Rocket watches his family get taken from him. Groot, effectively his son, gets dusted before his eyes. And weeks later Rocket learns that the only one he has left is Nebula, who brings him the Zune which she and Tony had been using to stay sane on the marooned Benatar. 5 years pass and Rocket clings to Nebula. They probably become incredible friends, and all along they have the Zune. The soundtrack of the Benatar becomes the music of Rocket's grief.

That's why Peter is territorial about it at the top of Vol 3. Because he at some point viewed the Zune as his, an extension of the Awesome Mixes. But it isn't anymore. It's Rockets now. The Zune has become far more important to Rocket than it ever was to Peter. Which is why Peter goes back for it and almost dies because of it. Because he remembers how he felt when he lost the Awesome Mixes, and he would never make Rocket feel that way again.

tame plinth
warped steeple
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Maybe it's just the period they are being mostly music I listened to as a teen, but I couldn't agree with describing the soundtrack as 'not fun'

tame plinth
ebon gazelle
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The Zune was a present from Kraglin and Yondu
but the music on the Zune didnt have any meaning until it became integral to the Guardians daily lives
if there was ever a character arc for Peter Quill, it's growing from placing value on things to placing value on the music

abstract heron
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I'm curious if the music was ever updated. It's clear it's 20 years out of date, but I wonder if Yondu, Kraglin or even Rocket ever put new music on it

ebon gazelle
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I do also think its somewhat notable that in every film Quill ends up drifting in open space with icy death creeping on him
in the first he goes out to save Gamora, giving her his mask to save her and giving himself up to the Ravagers in the process
in the second he is forced to watch Yondu sacrifice himself and is unable to stop him
in the third he selflessly jumps into the void after taking the time to save the Zune for Rocket

tame plinth
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I just realized I have no clue how you put music on a Zune

abstract heron
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Probably the same way you put music on most MP3 players: via connecting to your PC and loading them onto it

ebon gazelle
tame plinth
abstract heron
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Maybe? The fact that it doesn't go past the 00's makes me feel like nobody from Earth ever got there hands on it. I don't think even Tony is that behind on pop culture

ebon gazelle
abstract heron
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I have an iPod. I don't use iTunes to put music on it. And yes, everyone bar Apple is way less of a dick about that sort of thing

potent widget
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tony would have loaded it with his dad rock music

ebon gazelle
abstract heron
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A scene of Nebula listening to AC DC or Black Sabbath would have been neat

potent widget
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one of the "reasons" excuses star lord uses so he doesnt visit his grandfather is "but tony's bug is going to mess up my playlist again"

tame plinth
potent widget
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so, now that rocket has the zune, he doesnt have that excuse

abstract heron
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Peter and his grandfather should start a music podcast/Youtube series where Peter is shown music from after he left earth

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Gods, could you imagine the views you'd get? Like ignoring the possibility that people on Earth MIGHT know who Peter is, the sheer novelty of someone that young just being completely unaware of something like Backstreet Boys or Britney Spears would be killer.

warped steeple
ebon gazelle
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The iPod: the only hardware worth a shit that Apple ever produced

abstract heron
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Honestly, if it wasn't for the storage capacity of mine, I wouldn't have one.

ebon gazelle
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Rewatching Vol 2 now. 2 things:
--I love that when trapped on the High Evolutionary's ship Gunn needed a big monster to menace the team so he used 3 of the monsters they fought at the top of Vol 2 and then had Mantis point out that they weren't of any real danger to them cause Abilesks eat batteries not people, which was the entire reason the Soveregn hired the Guardians in the first place; to protect their anulax batteries.
--Rocket goes out of his way to rig up subwoofers for the Abilesk fight, a use of time that even Quill points out is a bit of a waste; pointing to the idea that Rocket was growing attached to the Awesome Mixes but wasn't ready to admit it cause he was still in his "push people away before they push me away" phase.

tame plinth
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I mean, one of them did eat Drax. Granted, he was trying to get eaten, but it didn't attempt to stop from eating him.

ebon gazelle
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Vol 3: The High Evolutionary standing on an apple crate to talk to Ayesha is such a solid gag. Elizabeth Debicki is so damn tall

finite finch
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Double checks Damn, she's 6'3"

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Also I'm trying to remember did they bring the crate out for him or did we get introduced to him lecturing her and pulled out to him on the crate

ebon gazelle
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He specifically has a servant put an apple crate on the floor so he can better berate Ayesha

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It's really great how thoroughly the movie covers the fact that The High Evolutionary is an Unrepentant Bastard

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Even outside of all the animal torture just everything he does is just the shittiest thing he could possibly do in that moment.

warped steeple
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oh, he's such an asshole

abstract heron
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In a very real way

ebon gazelle
tame plinth
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So it was a personalized playlist

candid sonnet
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Groot became a thicc boi

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Also everyone cleans up really well in those Guardians uniforms

finite finch
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While I really like the Ravager 'uniform' I do like we finally got to my favorite Guardians look

rose needle
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I really liked the Abnett and Lanning run

ebon gazelle
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Dan Abnett: responsible for people caring enough about the Guardians to take a chance on making a movie about them and also all of the best Warhammer 40k stuff

finite finch
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Abnett and Lanning's run is what made me love the Guardians (even if poor Phylla kept getting shafted)

candid sonnet
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How do you guys feel about Quill dropping the first actual F-bomb in MCU history?

finite finch
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Feels appropriate. Little surprised it wasn't Rocket

warped steeple
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I bet SLJ is mad it wasn't him 😛

tame plinth
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They'll let him say Monkey Fighting to make it up to him.

candid sonnet
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You think Quill is finally going to discover smartphones and music streaming services now that he's back on earth?

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abstract heron
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I want the R rated cuts where characters swear as much as they probably should be

ebon gazelle
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The Fuck word being used to punctuate that awkward comedy was used better in this than the bit where Ant-Man says "take the goddamn phone" in that diner scene in Endgame, which is by far the worst single scene in all of Endgame

candid sonnet
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I love the High Evolutionary just being extra af

little mist
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Yeah that guy is just so extra

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What a goof

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What’s his deal

finite finch
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Like in the comics?

little mist
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Lol no I just thought describing him as “extra” was funny so was leaning into it

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That’s…one way to describe his actions

ebon gazelle
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I like the choice to portray the High Evolutionary as a raging alcoholic at nighttime
like, the movie doesnt really point it out but Chukwudi is 100% acting like he is rip roaring drunk every time he pops in on Batch 89 at night

quick meteor
hoary schooner
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I liked the designs of the large mutants that were used as guards, forgot what they were called

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Interesting that HE was using early gen models instead of the newer polished species

finite finch
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It makes sense in a way - why waste his perfected creations when he has all this perfectly good fodder

candid sonnet
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So why is it that the High Evolutionary was going to kill off the children again?

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All I got was something about rote memorization

abstract heron
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They weren't capable of true creativity r original thought

candid sonnet
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Like I never understood what made Rocket so important to him

abstract heron
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Rocket seems to be the only truly "intelligent" life he ever "made"

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He wanted to disect him to see what made him so special

quick meteor
hoary schooner
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I'm very glad the movie didn't try to explain a magical reason for it

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It was just a thing

warped steeple
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yea, rocket has that extreme intuitive understanding of tech displayed in the first two films where he can just...understand and build cool shit

tame plinth
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There is also the fact that Rocket isn't just smart, and isn't just creative, he is smarter and more creative than the HE. Rocket could put together why his gas chamber was failing by looking at it when the High Evolutionary failed at it. The High Evolutionary considers himself to be the smartest and best being in the universe - he pretty much explicitly says that in the movie. So it's not just getting Rockets brain to make all his creations smarter, its getting Rockets brain so he can figure out how something he considers a flawed prototype could ever be smarter than he is.

warped steeple
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oh, absolutely - he wants to know why, but he also wants to punish rocket and wipe away the shame of being corrected by a project

raw gate
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oh, this movie has a H.E. and a Him !

uncut pumice
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The actor playing Adam Warlock played a very convincing “half baked” adult. Like, he had full command of English, just not a lot of info about why he was doing what he was doing.

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He also had an innate goodness and naïveté to him that I found very engaging

tame plinth
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Innate Goodness? He roasted a prisoner down to a skeleton.

hoary schooner
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Tbf his mom should've been more clear

uncut pumice
hoary schooner
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it wasn't malicious, can't stay mad at him

uncut pumice
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He’s like a toddler

warped steeple
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Yea, if a toddler had the power to kill you they probably would, they've got no concept of consequences

hoary schooner
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in a heartbeat

finite finch
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Is this from The Boys? I feel like this is The Boys.

hoary schooner
finite finch
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...okay yea that makes sense as well. Fuck you with a rake Cassandra Nova

abstract heron
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Say what you will about Chuck, but at least he's never tried to kill an unborn baby. I think. Does trying to prevent Wanda from creating her kids count?

tame plinth
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...why is she trying to choke him? What would that accomplish if he's getting oxygen through the umbilical cord?

finite finch
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To be fair, she is a fetus

tame plinth
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Thinking on it, I am impressed that the movie managed to make Adam Warlock feel different to Drax. They're both big dumb strong guys, and a lesser film would have made all the scenes with Adam just feel like we're doing Drax again. So its nice that Adam felt like he was inexperienced and naive, while Drax just does feel like he's an idiot, but not in a bad way.

Also, speaking just for myself, I never really felt any tension when they had Peter asphyxiating, because the reason he went back was just too, too low stakes to be an acceptable death. If it had been while rescuing the kids or the animals, maybe I would have been fooled a little, but the fact it's because he went back for the Zune is just too minor. Sure, sure, it was for Rocket and whatever, but even so, it's only a step above him slipping on the soap and breaking his neck for narratively satisfying character deaths.

finite finch
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I mean there is narrative weight of it not just being for Rocket but Yondu's last gift along with how much it has come to be a part of the other Guardians lives

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But I see your point as well as of course seeing the "redemption" of Adam

abstract heron
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Peter has been shown to be willing to die for his music playing devices before. I can believe he'd do it for the Zune

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No, I'm not questioning his actions here. It's perfectly in line with his character, right back to Guardians 1 where he doubled back into the prison to get his Walkman, in a way that heavily impressed the others and immediately disappointed them.

I more just mean that it would be an intensely unsatisfying way for the character to actually die. It's fine for the chaacter to risk death this way, but for it to actually result in his death, his attachment to his possessions or his constant overestimating of his own luck would need to be a bigger part of the movie.

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See, I wouldn’t have minded if he died there. My issue was more that the cartoonish grotesquery of it detracted from the dramatic impact, so I was happy he was saved mostly just so that could end as a gag instead of an actual visual associated with something intended to be taken seriously.

tame plinth
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If they had reworked all his character focus in the movie, yeah, that could have worked as his death, but to me it just felt completely unbelievable.

And yeah, the cartoonish grotesquery was a bit much. I never thought he was gonna die, but I did wonder how the hell they were gonna pretend that what was happening to him could be survived.

little mist
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Lol it absolutely wasn’t believable that he could have survived and yet I didn’t care so much about that

tame plinth
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I didn't really care, it was more just the scene got unintentionally funny. It felt like they were gonna have his head explode, and then he gets rescued and is instantly fine again.

little mist
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I was just concerned moreso that him actually dying that grotesquely would have damaged the dramatic impact of his death

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I felt like the “did that look cool” callback was kind of the punchline of the whole thing though, so I would argue it was intended to be funny overall, just not immediately apparently so

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really loved this version of Warlock. Everyone in the Guardians series seems to be an idiot save for maybe Nebula , so him being a big dumb overpowered idiot meshed well. And I feel like I could very easily see him becoming the comics Warlock. he's very sure of himself and is being raised by...idiots, essentially

tame plinth
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I doubt they'll bring back the Soul Gem, though, and can you really be comics Warlock without the Soul Gem, and getting the gauntlet, and having a heart full of neutrality?

hoary schooner
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Really hope his powers don't just boil down to energy projection

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god knows we've had enough of those

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Then again who knows if we're seeing any of them again

wet blaze
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just saw gotg3, liked it, f bomb was worth

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also want to thank wikipedia for getting me more hyped about the mid credits

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i didn't hear what rocket said

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wait a second jason is the name of the grandpa

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isn't jason quill's space dad?

finite finch
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In the comics yes. Well J'Son of Spartax

wet blaze
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ok, just wanna make sure

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also, did someone catch what the newspaper read in the end credits

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it went by too fast

tame plinth
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I'm gonna guess "Compromise Housing Bill Sent to President for OK", "UN Debates Mideast Crisis: Hopes for Early Solution" and "Valley Area Records Record Growth"

wet blaze
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wonder if any of the kids were the children of the actors

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literally the only reason i liked love and thunder, gotta love the chemistry between family fun-times

tame plinth
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Still not sure if I'm sold on that bit of Love and Thunder. If we never see Love again, or if she only has minor roles in Thor movies, that's fine, but if they actually try to make a junior Avengers movie and have her there, unless they Cassie it and replace her with someone who auditioned, I'm not too hot on the idea.

little mist
tame plinth
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It was? Huh. I thought they would have gone with the Earl Hayes standard

wet blaze
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Ok wanted to confirm

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Also did they kill the evolutionary?

warped steeple
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unclear!

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certainly he was left for dead and then his ship exploded, but also he was left for dead and didn't clearly die on screen

wet blaze
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yeah, thats what im thinking

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your not dead until someone else notices that you are dying

tame plinth
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Eh. His ship blew up while he was lying there near death. We are supposed to regard him as being dead. A future writer could bring him back, but that applies to literally every Marvel villain.

warped steeple
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I mean, no, some of them are much more clearly dead

tame plinth
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None are so dead they cant find some way to bring them back

warped steeple
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Like, some of them are dead, on screen, and confirmed dead by the text of the film.

tame plinth
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Like Thanos

warped steeple
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The high evo is left for dead, on a giant spaceship, which could have escape pods

tame plinth
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Who came back

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Or like Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Electro.

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Who came back

warped steeple
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I don't think your point is as strong as you think it is? or why you're being so difficult about this?

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The question is: did the high evolutionary die in this film

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and the answer is it's unclear

tame plinth
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My point is that it doesn't matter how dead a character is, if a writer wants to, they will bring them back.

warped steeple
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sure! but your point is largely at a tangent to the question

wet blaze
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as many comic youtubers say: "they died, but don't worry they got better"

little mist
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I think the point being made is more about intent of how dead the writers of this movie wanted them to be

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So like, did they consciously leave open the window for them to have possibly survived just in case, or did they fully intend for them to be regarded as dead without ambiguity even if they maybe unintentionally left a shred of ambiguity

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I think Piltheser is saying they think it’s the latter

warped steeple
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I think it was pretty clearly left ambiguous

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like, could you bring them back without wibbly-wobbly multiverse or time travel stuff? yes. That is not true for, say, green goblin in NWH

little mist
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I didn’t get that sense personally, but I get it

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To me I wouldn’t be surprised if the writers just intended for them to be gone

warped steeple
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fair

tame plinth
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Yes, the latter. Its similar to my thinking that there is no way Quill actually died over the Zune. Rocket had the High Evolutionary at his mercy, had every reason to kill him, but didn't as killing him at that would be pointless - he was doomed anyway.

If he had survived after that, where Rocket could kill him but didn't bother, it would again be unsatisfying.

warped steeple
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see that wasn't my read of that scene

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I thought rocket didn't kill him because he was beneath him; it wasn't (necessarily/just) that he was likely doomed, it's that rocket had moved on and wasn't willing to sully himself

tame plinth
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Sure, that was another reason why he didnt do it, but it still adds up to the same thing, that it would be unsatisfying for him to survive and reemerge as a threat after that.

warped steeple
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was red skull unsatisfying when they came back?

tame plinth
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No, because Cap never chose to spare him. As I recall, Cap threw his shield, knocked the Tesseract loose, and it zapped Red Skull across the universe mid fight. In the movie, Red Skulls hubris at tampering with powers he didnt comprehend destroyed him, in a nod to Raiders. In the wider movie context, thats still what happened, it just enslaved him rather than destroying him. Neither situation is a horrific consequence that came about because Cap chose to spare a guy.

quick meteor
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Re: High Evo, apparently Drax may have been carrying him over his shoulder as they were escaping (not very clear) and James Gunn has vaguely confirmed this.

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Oh, not vaguely at all: https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1659620015849771009?s=20

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Yes! It’s the whole culmination of Rocket’s journey. His shift comes in that he doesn’t kill him - he goes from being the least empathetic to the most empathetic Guardian. It seems silly & hollow that he’d refuse to kill him & then leave him on an…

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Later on he says he's imprisoned on Knowhere, but it's unclear if that's part of the deleted scene

warped steeple
versed blaze
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Huh, I didn’t get that at all

tame plinth
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Yeah, didn't get Drax carrying him at all.

pine cedar
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Clearly we all need to go rewatch the movie to confirm. Find it at your local theater!

tame plinth
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Maybe I will find answers in Across the Spider-Verse

hoary schooner
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Rewatched the movie in the cinemas for a third time

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could not see anyone carry the HE

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I was laser focused on Drax

warped steeple
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This is apparently a shot which shows it, very not clearly - drak is second from the left at the back with something large over his shoulder

hoary schooner
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Is that not an animal

warped steeple
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it is, apparently, not an animal

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and, look, I for sure did not spot that either. but James Gunn says that's what is happening here and it's in the movie, and I tend to believe he knows what he shot

tame plinth
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I could see that being a person. There's a dangling arm.

warped steeple
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yea, and off on the other side down near drax's knee is what I assume is a foot?

wary aurora
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It does feel more appropriate thematically if the HE is saved and imprisoned as opposed to just left for dead. It's very much Rocket letting go of a lot of his anger and taking the high road while still not letting his creator off the hook.

quick meteor
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Oh hey, perfect, we literally left off the thread on this topic. Because Marvel released the deleted scene in question to promote the home media release https://youtu.be/sUiZFT-tSMM

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In this exclusive unfinished deleted scene, titled "Knowhere After the Battle," the High Evolutionary is brought back to Knowhere and locked up while Kraglin recruits Adam Warlock to join the Guardians.

Marvel Studios’ Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 arrives at Digital retailers on July 7 and on 4K Ultra HD, Blu-ray and DVD on August 1. Fans can...

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finite finch
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Wow unfinished Rocket looks like he walked out Beast Wars

exotic geyser
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i'm ready to rewatch this after cranking the soundtrack a bunch

potent widget
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i wish they had kept this version. a james gunn lookalike who is definitely not james gunn

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instead of a cgi monster

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would have been immensely funnier

indigo eagle
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i honeslty think my favorite part of gotg 3 was Cosmo being bratty about being called a bad girl. it was hilarious.