#M1 Simping

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rustic vine
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@stable shadow @sleek scaffold @violet shale feel free to fight in here.

grand trout
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lol

stable shadow
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Ok

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Why is 1tb storage 400€

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Extra

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for the same reason its $300 extra for dell laptops, because oem pricing is stupid

sleek scaffold
manic sand
rustic vine
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It literally doesn't matter what the performance delta is for M1 machines, because they're stuck on OSX and therfor only run what works on it + Rosetta.

stable shadow
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And 200 for a 4 gb ram

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Upgrade

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Nani

rustic vine
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It's still a Macbook and stuck being a Macbook.

stable shadow
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I could just get good 32 gb ram chips for a desktop

grand trout
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m1 thinkpad when

stable shadow
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For just a bit more

sleek scaffold
manic sand
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besides, u can’t even upgrade ram and storage in a MacBook if I’m not mistaken

rustic vine
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Y'all out here comparing which makes better fruit cake when most people want chocolate.

stable shadow
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Yeah after it's built

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It's built

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Is a apple laptop

manic sand
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so there’s no way to avoid the 200 quid 8gb ram upgrade

stable shadow
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Or any laptop that isn't framework really

stable shadow
grand trout
stable shadow
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run 2 threads on both chips, see which one wins

manic sand
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with the dell laptop u can just buy a 8gb ram stick for 30 bucks at the most

sleek scaffold
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@stable shadow Hyperthreading

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it's using the hardware of 1 core more efficiently.

stable shadow
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Pls

rustic vine
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@stable shadow A good handful of Lenovo and Dell machines have upgradable RAM.

stable shadow
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I mean upgradable everything

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But noice to know

rustic vine
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No such thing as "everything" anymore.

stable shadow
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Framework

rustic vine
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CPU has been soldered in laptops for a decade.

grand trout
stable shadow
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U can upgrade everything

rustic vine
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Framework has soldered CPU.

stable shadow
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also your own chart shows that alderlake is the only thing thats actually faster 1t vs 1t than the m1, at best zen3 ties it on the desktop

rustic vine
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Replacing the CPU means replacing the mainboard.

stable shadow
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and in laptops nobodys close

manic sand
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macbooks aren’t budget devices, a 512gb MacBook Air (lower end, 7 core model) + 16gb ram would set u back 1400

stable shadow
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do any laptops have a cpu socket?

stable shadow
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or are cpu sockets too bulky?

grand trout
rustic vine
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@stable shadowyes, just like I can swap out the mainboard in my Lenovo.

stable shadow
sleek scaffold
rustic vine
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@stable shadow Anything socketed on laptops is reserved for overkill "gaming" desktop replacements or workstation-class machines.

sleek scaffold
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This is even an older test with forced single-thread (no hyperthreading)

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stable shadow
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@sleek scaffold its still ahead in passmark and at the top of the pile in cinebench too

leaden plank
stable shadow
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and cinebench is made using software intel designed, embree thingy

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ya tigerlake gets close to the m1 single thread, but since they are only quad cores they get beaten super badly multi threaded

rustic vine
grand trout
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so you can replace keyboard, keycaps, motherboard, battery, display, webcam, trackpad, red tit, casing, and then of course, storage and RAM

IO is pretty much the only thing you can't modify since it's built onto the motherboard, but docks are available for them too.

stable shadow
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Noice

violet shale
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Wasn't a fight and I never said @stable shadow was wrong. People just need to learn how to prove a facts rather than just blindly stating things

stable shadow
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to prove what i said i would have had to link every laptop being sold on the entire internet and compare it in depth to the macbook

manic sand
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if u compare the macbook air (after upgrades) to equally priced legion 3070 laptops ($1599 if I’m not mistaken), it’d be beaten in any gpu heavy task

violet shale
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then do it

stable shadow
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its far easier for someone to link a specific laptop that actually beats the macbook, than for me to link every laptop that doesnt, or actually its not that easy since none of them currently do 😂

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Welp u can now do a project

rustic vine
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@stable shadowAll I have to do is tell you to run a game that doesn't translate well to M1 to disprove "best" , because best is relative.

stable shadow
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Register it a maybe get a good money

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For that search

sleek scaffold
rustic vine
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Again, benchmarks and the proverbial dick-waving contest doesn't matter when the laptop doesn't run your workload.

manic sand
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lol

stable shadow
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Tbh he is right

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If u have the best hardware

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m1 max with blender 3.1 beta or whatever it is is apparently comprable at rendering to an RTX 3080 using optix, the beta test results are too new and nobodys done a comprehensive comparison yet, but its looking crazy now that cycles X has native metal support, so thats neat

rustic vine
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M1s are heavily limited (and becoming less so as optimizations and improvements are made, I get that) by the fact that they're on OSX and using a (arguably great) ARM translation layer to do anything the old machines used to.

stable shadow
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But can't use ur daily stuff

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Why even using it

sleek scaffold
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Didn't linus just test the M1 Max GPU

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and found the only comparable tasks to high end GPUs were video encoding

rustic vine
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Sure, if I want a daily laptop for browsing and nothing else, a base-spec M1 Air is a great laptop.

stable shadow
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i dont think LTT used the brand new blender beta

manic sand
sleek scaffold
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so where are you getting these numbers then

rustic vine
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But my laptop does dev work (for which I do need some X86-specific shit) and gaming (which about half of my library doesn't even run on M1 machines)

stable shadow
rustic vine
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So it doesn't matter if the M1 can do my dishes and give me a blowjob, it doesn't do a third of the things I need it to do.

stable shadow
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people are posting their scores for known scenes down in the comments

stable shadow
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oh, wrong thread

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one sec

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updated it 😂

sleek scaffold
rustic vine
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It's a great laptop if you don't care about what you're missing out on.

stable shadow
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If it can't run val Cs go or league

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It is out of my may buy

rustic vine
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Hell, I'll even applaud Apple for making the battery in the M1 Air user serviceable this time.

stable shadow
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Also I just like windows

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And I hate apple tech support

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So I would never go for a apple product

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Unless it's game changing

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For the industry

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ya gaming is not good on macbooks, but gaming isnt going to be good on a $700 - 750 thin n light windows laptop either, do any of them in the 13 inch class even have dedicated gpus?

sleek scaffold
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These comments are so confusing, how do you get 233% faster at something, that would be negative time

rustic vine
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$750 laptop? yes. Thin and light? no.

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But then you get to the "what are your priorities" question

stable shadow
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@sleek scaffold lmao, yeah people are weird, but some people actually posted their actual times not just percentages, which is more helpful

rustic vine
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Do you want to AAA game on a laptop? You're likely not going for a thin-and-light

sleek scaffold
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Oh my god Ctrl+F is overriden on this site

stable shadow
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lmao what does it do?

sleek scaffold
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Searches in the search bar at the top

rustic vine
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And you absolutely aren't getting a 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD machine that's not user serviceable either, so your $750 M1 Air is disqualified by default even if it could do the job.

stable shadow
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is there a way to make pages that have comments sections or whatever that load as you scroll load the entire thing at once?

sleek scaffold
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@stable shadow Ok, so using blender's online performance database

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and these comments

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This person with M1 Max says they can do a GPU render in 48 seconds for the BMW scene

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which is mighty impressive, but the 3080 does it in 10 seconds with the optix engine

stable shadow
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which max? 32c+64gb?

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i saw some people with sub 40 second times, it seems to vary a bit

sleek scaffold
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64GB, 24 GPU Cores

stable shadow
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ah, so not the big one

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the sub 40 second ones will be the big one

sleek scaffold
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Thought there was only 1 version of the Max GPU

stable shadow
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not too many, and its early days, but its a huge upgrade and makes apple silicon macs viable for 3d rendering at least

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nope, there's 24 and 32 core

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this code has only been in the wild for like 11 days, and they've already tweaked it some. but ya, looking promising

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apple went in an wrote a metal backend for blender for them, because they were ignoring it 😂

rustic vine
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Supposedly Metal is a nightmare for devs.

stable shadow
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they seem to be doing fine with it on ios

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maybe pc devs arent used to it?

rustic vine
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I mean, make an esoteric language and complain that nobody else knows what to do with it.

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Just like the PS3 and it's graphics pipeline.

stable shadow
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apple should have just supported vulkan natively, i agree with that

rustic vine
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Can it be good? Yes.

stable shadow
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but apple is a huge percentage of the desktop marketshare now, like 16%, thats a big enough chunk of the pie that devs should be taking it seriously

rustic vine
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I'd love to see the data for that 16% number.

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That's a fuckin' lie kekw

stable shadow
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i saw a thing, let me find it

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems found it here, https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-202109-202109-bar citing this, trying to figure out where they get their data

Usage share of operating systems

The usage share of operating systems is the percentage of computing devices that run each operating system (OS) at any particular time. All such figures are necessarily estimates because data about operating system share is difficult to obtain. There are few reliable primary sources and no agreed methodologies for its collection. Operating syste...

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oh, they're using page visits from unique IP addresses on websites that use their stat software

manic sand
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lmfao, how is this thread still active

stable shadow
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so it should be close enough unless windows users use the web a lot less

sleek scaffold
stable shadow
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oh, i saw a site testing the new cycles X in blender 3.0 that put the 3080 at 40 something seconds for bmw

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maybe they changed the output resolution, which would fuck the results lol

sleek scaffold
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I'm just using the blender DB for performance on their site itself

rustic vine
stable shadow
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yeah

rustic vine
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I was assuming 10-12%, not 16.

stable shadow
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M1 doing work for apple

rustic vine
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I mean, it's not M1's doing.

stable shadow
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m1 macbook air value too stronk

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its the fact that their laptops are actually worth their asking price now, plus pandemic fueled electronics sales

sleek scaffold
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what exactly is that unknown 4%

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lol

stable shadow
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@sleek scaffold whatever random shit OS that doesnt report it in the user string

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templeOS or something

sleek scaffold
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There's no way it's four percent lmao

stable shadow
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adblock software might also interfere with the user string

manic sand
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linux’s market share is never accurate btw

rustic vine
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2016 - 8%
2017 - 9%
2018 - 12%
2019 - 14%

manic sand
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most users spoof it to windows

stable shadow
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im pretty sure 2% is accurate for linux 😂

sleek scaffold
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I dailied linux a while ago and I never heard anyone doing that

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I think your viewpoint is skewed

manic sand
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either for a privacy gain, or to stop websites providing a crappy experience for linux

stable shadow
rustic vine
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Yeah, well before M1 machines were a thing.

stable shadow
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but ya, 16% is pretty good, and definitely big enough that software devs should suck it up and deal with metal, even if native vulkan support would have been better

manic sand
sleek scaffold
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poor windows phones sleepepe

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stable shadow
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windows phone should be in other at this point

manic sand
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I’ve seen a couple before

rustic vine
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Windows Phone was significant enough that it should have it's own trendline

sleek scaffold
rustic vine
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even if it's literally zero right now kekw

stable shadow
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lol ya

leaden plank
rustic vine
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Listen, if Blackberry gets a line, Windows Phone gets one.

stable shadow
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the phones were apparently great

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windows phone just sucked as an OS

manic sand
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windows phone wkek

rustic vine
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I really liked Windows Phone OS

stable shadow
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i think the camera in some of those nokias was way ahead of their time too, i remember a youtube video about it vaguely

rustic vine
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It was simple, intuitive, but knew where to hide the settings to unlock functionality and features.

sleek scaffold
rustic vine
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They just couldn't get app support.

leaden plank
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so the OS pulled Nokia down ultimately

stable shadow
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nokia got sold to someone else, idk who owns them now

rustic vine
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YEs, Microsoft partnered with Nokia for exclusivity agreements for hardware/OS pairing

stable shadow
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but they make mediocre android phones now iirc

rustic vine
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Nokia made hilariously good phone hardware at the time.

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Made 99% of Android phones feel cheap.

leaden plank
sleek scaffold
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I wonder if you can flash old Windows phones with androids

rustic vine
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You cannot.

sleek scaffold
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😦

rustic vine
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Good luck getting into the bootloader.

sleek scaffold
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My friend had a Windows phone and he says he really liked it apart from not having official apps

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Google actively sent cease and desist letters to anyone trying to make a Youtube app on it

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so he just had to use the browser version which sucked back in 2015

stable shadow
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HMD Global Oy, branded as HMD and Nokia Mobile, is a Finnish mobile phone manufacturer. The company is made up of the mobile phone business that Nokia sold to Microsoft in 2014, then bought back in 2016. HMD began marketing Nokia-branded smartphones and feature phones on 1 December 2016.

rustic vine
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I'm sure someone's figured it out by now, but back when you could crack open a Galaxy S3 in a few hours after release Nokia devices were impossible to get into.

stable shadow
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so i never heard of them but cool i guess

leaden plank
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didn’t know that, good for them